John Hamer | Institutionalized Charity Corruption & The Titanic Conspiracy

00:04 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed a nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times but we're far from 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration We offer a fresh conversation! I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chats Happy days are here again people, drinking my drink smoking my smoke and looking to shine the spotlight in one of the many dark corners commonly glossed over or ignored by many of us yet featured prominently in the work of today's guests.

00:46 We do come out pretty hard against the Red Cross and other charities that seem to be nothing more than front groups to siphon more wealth from the masses, and this is important because when I see one guy like Stephen Colbert with a wave of his hand fund every donation request from schools in North Carolina or some success on direct funding websites. I know there's enough abundance and support out there for people who are slipping through the poverty crack or suffering in the wake of a disaster, but if we don't call out institutionalized corruption in such a key area as the charity community... We're letting organizations like The Red Cross and United Way clog up the pipes of support. Skimming more and more each time until we get to a situation like we had recently with The Red Cross and Haiti. Do you think they'll be honest about the next disaster? Probably not!

01:33 But they're still getting funding. I think it's a worthy exploration and includes a few elements and tie-ins, that I definitely wasn't aware of And of course our guest today John Hamer is really one of the most premier researchers when it comes to the Titanic conspiracy and the multi pronged attack from JP Morgan & Associates I'm glad we were able to talk about that too So because of the way THC splits up We did 1 half hour on these corrupt charities An hour on the Titanic saga Then a swan song of charities To close it out And I think all you guys will get a fair dose of both threads. Even though John is way more used to presenting his work in the written form, i've been doing this long enough to help someone make the best case for their work and that's what I try to do here so thanks for giving us your ear and let's do the damn thing with John Hamer! Boom! Have a drink and a smoke Listen to the cast We shine a shiny spotlight

02:31 Put criminals on blast The pinstripe men of mourning And families of finance DuPont, Windsor and Rothschild The kids don't stand a chance Alright people, sad as it may be we're well aware that most of the world's respected institutions and trusted official stories would not be so ingrained into our collective consciousness unless they serve some purpose for the nefarious elite and their culture creation machine. So when you hear the names of the planet's largest charities like Red Cross or UNICEF Or think about a story so ingrained in everyone's mind like the freak accident that sunk the Titanic You gotta ask yourself if your being sold a lie

03:22 And in many cases you'll find the truth to be exactly that. And that's where the work of today's guest comes in, John Hamer is a journalist and author who has been setting fire to The Puppet Masters web of lies for some time now most notably in his books RMS Olympic which tackles the truth of the Titanic sinking saga and a brilliant lengthy conspiratorial textbook called The Falsification Of History Our Distorted Reality That weighs in at a hefty 700 pages that sets the record straight on a whole host of issues Today we're getting creative with some truth-telling that's a little off the beaten path, but no less important. It is an honor and pleasure to have him here. John McMann, welcome to THC!

04:00 Thanks very much Greg. It's a pleasure to be here, thank you for inviting me of course man thanks for being here I am really pumped for this one I like to do shows about topics that aren't part of the conspiracy 101 introductory brochure that we all get at the meeting and this is gonna Be one of them it was kind of set in motion when I heard the news That The Red Cross had only built six homes with the half-a-billion dollars in donations they received for rebuilding Haiti after the big earthquake they had in 2010. And I thought this cannot be an isolated incident, even the name Red Cross sounds like something cooked up by a secret society and I kind of set off to find anyone who tackled this piece of the puzzle to a larger extent. And I came across your work and found several great things to talk about but I guess just start with The Red Cross. This Haiti situation is far from the first time they've double crossed the people that they claim they want to help isn't it?

04:50 Absolutely i mean it's just an ongoing saga great to be frank and i mean this is been going on at least since world war two and probably before then too, the red cross were caught red handed as it were actually stealing from not just individual red cross parcels but on a industrial scale from Red Cross parcels. They've been absolutely up to their necks in the conspiracy world, if you like for a long time. And I suppose the Haiti one is just the latest in a long series of stuff that they've got up to behind-the-scenes

05:26 I know you're going to come on to it later but i don't want to single out the Red Cross for any special attention because believe me they're all at it. You know, the red cross is just one small example but you can bet your life that if its got a label of large charity then there are also some nefarious things going on behind-the-scenes and as I say the Red Cross is just one of them yeah I mean your first clue should be that's a household name and it lasted for decades absolutely because they do not let things like that stick around No, no. I mean getting a little bit deeper perhaps but it's safe to say that if a charity has been around so long it is obviously failing in what its trying to achieve you know maybe a simplistic way of looking at it but thats what I believe

06:10 It's not actually solving the problems it is meant to be there to solve because it still in existence. So, its quite a paradox really. Yeah I actually think that's a great point and yeah in your piece about the Red Cross you write that the International Red Cross like The International Monetary Fund and The World Bank is an elite controlled front organization whose true purpose is the complete opposite from their stated purpose and I think thats really a great way to sum it up. Can you give us a little bit of detail about the actions that they've performed that show that they are kind of in it for the opposite of their stated purpose? Well, for example every time there's a so-called disaster most of them as many of the listeners will know are far from being accidental or most of them are contrived anyway but take Hurricane Katrina for example

07:05 The Red Cross are always at the forefront of the money raising to actually get the funds, supposedly aid the poor victims. But unfortunately it's been proven time and time again that the money that the Red Cross takes in, the audited figures that the Red Cross publish those totals never actually get put where they need to be In other words, to actually alleviate the suffering caused by in inverted commas, in quote marks natural disasters. Time and time again they've been caught with their hands in the till so to speak and it's just monotonous regularity that they are constantly being caught out with things like the Haiti thing that you mentioned at the beginning and Hurricane Katrina something else was the Japanese tsunami They absolutely blasted airwaves

08:01 heart-rending pleas for blood, for money. But I can tell you this it never actually goes where it's supposed to go or the right amount never actually goes where its supposed to go Yeah, you actually have in terms of some of the things that you had mentioned. Some of the disasters that had happened I wrote down here a couple notes You write that following the disastrous San Francisco earthquake in 1989 The Red Cross donated only 10 million out of 50 million they raised and kept the rest Also following the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995 And the red river flooding in 1997 Most of those donations were withheld as well So we're talking about

08:40 taking millions of dollars and donating maybe 10% just to make it look like you're actually doing something. And with this Haiti thing, building six houses it seemed like they just took that greed to a ridiculous level because they're kind off the radar in terms of anyone prosecuting them because they are in the club but they got a little greedy with that one. That one was a little bold Absolutely. I mean, well their official position is you know Their stated position is that they donate 91 cents on the dollar to the causes that they're supposed to go to but in actual fact as you say it's a lot less than that and Personally, I would love to know where that money is going. Mm-hmm I know where some of its going but It's a little difficult to prove it Of course But there are other instance of it being siphoned away into into shall we say other

09:30 less worthy causes shall we say for example. Well let's talk about that a little bit, where specifically would you speculate that the money is going? Well I guess it's going into the pockets of the people at the top yeah I hope i'm not being too unkind by saying that but A little while ago the president of the Red Cross she is no longer now but Dr Bernardine Healy was actually openly accused of withholding funds And her arrogant response was that they had to set up a war fund. They weren't withholding

10:10 funds Specifically from any given disaster. They were actually using them to set up a war fund She said it's that is that is evolved into a war fund we must have blood readiness We must have the ability to help our troops if we go into a ground war We must have the ability to help the victims of tomorrow Well, that's not their mandate you know she has no right to say that It's not their business to start collecting money for future walls that may not even happen best post a collect money for disasters that are current and actually deal with those no start a fund for something in the future that's not how it supposed to work i'm afraid, i'm just so typical of the you know the way the charities were there alone themselves they're not really accountable enough too.

10:57 outside organizations, the money just falls into a bottomless pit into a black hole and it's never seen again most of the time. Yeah I thought that was actually a great little quote you had from that previous president because its just an example of a little crack in the armor we actually get to see through the lie a little bit another example kind of in line with that war fund thing was after 9-11 or during 9-11 they opened up the Liberty Fund And this is a great example of the corruption because apparently they got 564 million from donations around the world and only released about 150 million, and that's pretty messed up.

11:37 That's exactly right. Where did the other 400 million go? I'd love to know, but I don't suppose we'll ever find out. They're certainly not going to tell us. Exactly! So do we know much about who started the Red Cross or how they came to be that could maybe give us some clues as to how dastardly they really are? Was this a disaster racket from day one? I'm not so sure actually, i wouldn't like to go stick my neck out and say that much. I think maybe at the beginning it was meant to be beneficial shall we say in the event of emergencies but it's difficult to say...I don't really know the answer that to be honest

12:20 Yeah, apparently another element to the 9-11 thing that I thought was interesting is they asked for a lot of blood donations which is a little odd because who would the blood be for? A large majority of the victims would be dead and Of course for them blood as a commodity that they can sell but you also stated that They also use blood donations for things the public isn't privy to. Now we've been down a lot of strange rabbit holes on this show, so I'm curious what you think they could be using blood for? Okay well first of all let me say that your absolutely right with what you just said. What i believe they use their blood is things that perhaps people would find totally abhorrent and that is satanic rituals and that kind of thing

13:06 Again, I don't know whether you really want to go down this road particularly or not. It's a very deep and dark hole if we do but I suspect there is that kind of thing going on I think most people are aware, most people in the conspiracy world they're aware that these elite at the top are well into satanic rituals and all sorts of murky practices. And i suspect that some of the blood is certainly used in shall we say quite unsavory rituals Yeah, I mean i'm totally comfortable getting weird as much as you are but it is kind of that's where we get into That area where it's kind of hard to prove these are rumors and whispers and speculation But if they're doing satanic rituals We hear a lot of things about the pedophilia network Of the elite that kids get used in these rituals. It makes sense that blood would as well. I've also heard

14:01 that the top elite, they're trying to prolong their lives and in the past when before they had the technologies of today where we're getting into the transhumanist agenda. They used to apparently do like full blood transfusions to try to restore their youth and that's another weird and fringe way they could be using the blood Absolutely, I mean there's all sorts of rumours abounding about David Rockefeller for example. He has just turned 100 hasn't he? They say that he's had blood transfusions and heart transplants by the bucket load to keep him going. Whether that is true or not, it is only speculation but certainly an interesting idea. It still an interesting fact that they would ask for blood in such high quantities at an event like 9-11 because it doesn't really fit what they should have been going for?

14:57 No, I mean obviously relatively speaking on 9-11 there were very few injuries comparatively speaking. Most people died as you said earlier so what on earth did they do with all that blood? Presumably they sold some of it but again it's all speculation but It's quite an interesting speculation as to what else may have been going on with it, yeah. It is and let's talk about the current president of the organization a little bit Marsha Evans do you know much about her? Not a lot I'm sorry I don't to be honest

15:34 We do know her salary, you wrote that in 2012 her salary was $651k per year and the total revenue of the Red Cross was well in excess of 3 billion. You can be a devil's advocate and say, oh, a person handling a $3 billion fund should be paid well. But I mean we're talking close to like six hundred fifty thousand dollars That's a little much and three billion a year if they really were trying to do good think about the amount of good that could Do on an annual basis Yeah i'm not was in twenty twelve of course so you know the figures may have changed and certainly i'm certainly want to come down that's a sure. So there is similar or are they out there considerably more yeah six hundred fifty one thousand dollars is an obscene amount of money for someone who purports to be the head of a charitable organization, two were too early you know when you would think that

16:35 Someone in that position would have a little bit of compassion and say that I will do this job for a reasonable salary. I'm not expecting the woman should live on twenty thousand a year or anything, but you know six hundred fifty one thousand. I mean come on! That's taking the mickey Yeah, that's a little excessive. And when we're talking about these charities I see a real parallel with groups like the Freemasons who are considered by the mainstream to just be a group of good old guys who get together for a couple of beers and are largely a charitable organization but then... What they really seem to do is they use the lower level members to actually go out there and do philanthropy, and be a part of their community. And that's just a small fraction of their actual wealth. Then at the top of the pyramid, they've got other agendas real goals of wealth and power at the top. I think so there is kind of a parallel with these charities. There is indeed!

17:32 Most of the workers on the ground floor at Red Cross and many other big charities don't even get paid, they're all volunteers. And to be frank they are just being used... I mean unfortunately you know I feel sorry for them really because they don't even know what's going on above their heads They just believe that they're working for a very worthy cause and uh..you know they give their time Freely and for nothing. You know, it's it's a sad state of affairs really? Oh Yeah And also the people who donate I mean these we so many people are spread pretty thin yet They still want to give when something happens me you use the term in the book emotional blackmail which is such a good way of putting what what these media companies do and

18:17 Of course we know that a lot of different arms of the conspiracy squid work together and one of those would be the media, another one being these charities. And it seems like when a disaster happens, the media plays a serious role in making sure that United Way and The Red Cross are the first and biggest things you hear about. You also wrote Like on Yahoo's homepage, they took a spot out banner ad for one charity and gave it to of course the Red Cross. So this is a big circle jerk and none of this money is really getting where it needs to go but by playing that role the media overshadows all these organizations that might be more honest

18:55 Yeah, absolutely. I actually think that in a way they enjoy laughing at us, I believe it sounds rather trite but I actually do believe that they They do have a good old laugh about it, you know. About taking us for mugs, you know? Those mug punters. Yeah yeah and another element to this let's talk about these professional charity patrons guys like Bono which I always thought there was something off and fishy about Bono Rubbing elbows with the elite and kissing the queen on the cheeks, but yet he's some big philanthropist. And I'm like there has got to be something darker than this asshole! Then also there is this Robert Geldof guy? He was another one on your side of the pond. Yeah Bob Geldof, he was some older listener. I remember him as an elite singer in a pop band called Boomtown Rats in the 70s

19:50 He's become a charity entrepreneur if you like and he is always regarded by the masses in this country anyway as sort of a hero, superhero who looks after the poor and needy and raises all this money for them. But really it's just in league with them. One of the things that he organized was the Live Aid concerts in 2005, it was the 30th anniversary of Live Aid. I don't know whether you're a bit too young to remember all that Greg but it was all a big charity done for the poor in Africa etc and they raised tens and tens of millions. It was worldwide thing!

20:35 That was all one big scam as it turned out because all they were doing was using the money to pay off the debts to people like IMF and World Bank that had lent third world countries obscene amounts of money and then completely hammered them with interest rates. And that's all the money raised was useful to pay off the debts to the World Bank and IMF basically. So it was another rip-off. That is one of the elements that I think is most fascinating and kind of complex, something people probably hadn't put together on their own because I sure didn't but we have talked to John Perkins who wrote the book Confessions Of An Economic Hitman and we've been down the road

21:19 they send these big multinationals and the elite, they send these people into third world nations get them to take huge loans they can never pay back. Get them to sell off their natural resources to corporations who charge them for their own commodities and then they get into such a debt and we've heard that story but there's another step to it. The second step is to bring in your own crew of bono and you too and all these big yeah name acts who do these huge benefit concerts to raise money for the uh... loans that they force these nations to take their basically paying themselves off in the poor people are left there still with nothing absolutely and you know that it gives me impression of how hard on money is going towards you know starving children and and the backwaters of africa but in actual fact

22:08 It's going straight into the coffers of the IMF, which is totally... obscene in my view it's absolutely outrageous to be frank. It is ridiculous because they're basically taking the charity of people around the world who recognize poverty and want to do something about it, and that just never gets there! It's kind of like if a guy takes out a massive loan from a loan shark and then that loan shark then has a fundraiser to pay off that debt...it's just a guy you know having a party to pay himself and that the poor guy is still sitting there he never had anything to begin with. Exactly yeah just about sums it up i think now, it's um it's absolutely disgraceful really what's going on and uh... you know the more people become aware of this then the sooner will get stopped

23:01 But I ain't holding my breath right now, i'll tell you. that Geldof has been knighted so is Bono and then you rightly followed up with the question, do you think this was for helping third world nations or the bottom line of the IMF World Bank and British Royal Family which is a great point. And it explains the knighting of a lot of these higher-up musicians who do these concerts I mean like Elton John but he was the go to guy before Bono Absolutely yeah they're all in it up to their little scrawny necks believe me any of them that have got to the positions

23:46 high power that they're in at the moment. They've only done it one way and that's by serving the establishment basically I just cannot see any other, any way that is possible to do it And both Robert Geldof and Bono have been accused of corruption in their own charities haven't they? Absolutely yeah Bono is charity which has meant to place money again in hands of starving Africans Again, he's been caught out withholding money. He turned over about $12 million dollars not last year, a couple of years ago and I think...I can't remember the exact figures now but it was a tiny tiny amount that actually found its way to where it should have gone to get gone too. And the rest was just withheld and again because they're so unaccountable nobody knows what happened to that money at all. Right yeah there is no...nobody's watching this money in? No there's no auditing or you know either

24:44 either internally or externally auditing the accounts of these charities. Right, should be a serious red flag in today's world but you also point out in November 2008 Geldof was paid $100k in Australia for a brief speech addressing third-world poverty I mean there is a lot of irony there too Absolutely yeah Why not do it for free and put the £100,000 to good use? Serving the charity that he's supposed to represent. No obviously he pocketed the money that was his fee but there are also people who believe in – I guess its no so ridiculous to believe it – is that big charities are just used for tax write-offs

25:33 So a lot of people like Geldof and Bono, they can use their charities to write off their own taxes. So there's a lot of sort of creative accounting going on in the background I believe. Yeah definitely there is that too You also say in your piece that the Queen is the patron of over 600 charities and you write, do you really believe that this woman head of the most ruthless family on the planet and personally responsible directly or indirectly for millions of deaths worldwide in her own lifetime actually gives a damn about starving children are victims of the wars at her and her ilk are actually responsible for causing it in the first place? Somehow I think not.

26:13 Yeah absolutely and what else can I say i mean that just sums it up really doesn't it. Yeah yeah, this person is the richest person on the planet bar none and a doubt that she gives a single penny to charity to be honest despite the fact that she is as you said patron of around 600 of them. It's really messed up and I had never Really looked into this you always hear people say hey be careful with your money when you donate make sure you know where it goes look these things up but if you look these things up on the surface i mean the red cross that united way they've got their asses covered they've got a website to book very official organizations that you know audit

26:56 then not audit but they kind of rank these charities and of course, they can be bought off just like the FDA can. I mean it's just another false layer of truth that people think that they're getting clued into but it's really just not that way. No absolutely! They're really as I say taking the mickey It is a complete scam basically My advice to anyone is if they want to donate money to charity and there are some decent charities don't get me wrong I'm not painting them all with the same brush. I would pick a nice, small local charity and donate to that if that's what you want to do. If you really feel like you need to give money but please stay away from people like the Red Cross or WWF and United Way as they say And even places like Cancer Research

27:52 Create a shockwave throughout the listening community saying that but it won't hear. I would say that because we talked to rick simpson who's a guy who is big on the cannabis oil and rick simpson oil and He claims it's basically a cure for a lot of things, cancer being one of them. We've also heard about other people... there was a guy who had a frequency-based technology that was getting rid of cancer cells in the body so it seems like there's definitely cures out there that have been purposely suppressed for the profits of the pharmaceutical companies, for the profits of the cancer industry. And so it's no surprise that charities like The Breast Cancer Foundation they're just again circle jerks of money for these people to make a lot of money and nothing goes into research because the cures are suppressed. Absolutely I mean you've got to bear in mind that cancer is a trillion dollar industry worldwide

28:52 And the raising of money to supposedly cure it is another massive scam I'm sad to say. i'm actually denigrating the work of a lot of decent people again at the ground level everyone that works in these charities are genuine sincere people who doing a great job and i'd be the last person in the world to criticize them for that but like us they're being absolutely deceived on a grand scale. And it's just very, very sad the whole situation. Yeah and it's definitely important to point out this corruption and that its systemic that its part is ingrained in these huge organizations we have to starve these beasts like it's not helping anyone for the Red Cross to exist It'd be better if we took that three billion a year that they make in donations and gave it to an organization

29:50 Interested in helping the poor and suffering. This is why I say give it to local Local charities, local organizations that you can actually see on the streets doing some good And that you know where your money is going instead of into this bottomless pit this black hole Which you never see again and neither does anyone else that deserves to receive it either One last little piece charitable puzzle that I wanted to talk about before we went on to the Titanic is, i lifted this from your writings but you put for every dollar of debt cancellation to the international financial institutions the G8 will reduce the flow of foreign aid these countries in other words the foreign aid earmarked to finance much-needed social programs will now go directly into the coffers at the IMF and World Bank can you elaborate just on the point

30:44 the G8 nations reducing their aid? I mean, this is like a double whammy for these third world countries. Yeah basically it's just what you said every dollar every cent every pound every penny that goes into paying off the IMF debt is then reduced from the amount that they provide in terms of ongoing relief back again to Africa, which is the way it's meant to work. So if they... let's just use some round figures Let's say that a country in Africa an anonymous country in Africa owes the IMF $1 million It's obviously vastly more than that and then The IMF has paid back fifty thousand dollars through some sort of charitable donation Which was meant to go to the African people

31:32 then the IMF will reduce its ongoing aid to that country by that amount or by that proportion of that amount. So they actually end up worse off, the more money you give to charity and it's funneled through African countries into the IMF, the worse off those African countries are and therefore the poor people on the ground are. Sorry, I don't know if that is clear but It's quite complex. It is clear to me, but that is worth pointing out because it is such a double whammy because they're saying to the world or like the IMF is saying in the world oh well now that Africa has money we're going to reduce the aid but they never had money! Exactly, that more or less sums up in a nutshell yeah

32:18 Man, it's definitely dark. I'm glad we talked about it. I want to come back to some of this stuff and maybe a couple other organizations but I want to make sure that we get some of the Titanic saga into the first hour because we have really yet to tackle that on the show with much depth and you've investigated this heavily written both a non-fiction book about as well as novel based on the hidden reality you uncovered So where do we start with this one? Well, shall I just give you a little bit of background as to how i came to write the books? Because that might be interesting. Might not be but it might be! Yeah, I think that'd be perfect What happened was... You've seen the presentation on YouTube The standard presentation that I did about three or four years ago and this has had about 160 000 hits now so it's quite popular and a lot of people have contacted me through that

33:09 Well, about two years ago now I had a very strange phone call. No email first it was, I beg your pardon! I had a very strange email that just said please give me a call on this number So i ignored it my phone now and then i left for a while and then i eventually kept eating away at me on the end this person emailed me back again said please call me on such and such number and i thought well what the heck are they gonna do arrest me over the phone you know. So, I called the number sort of very tentatively and it was this lady and she said you don't know me but I'm a Hollywood film director and I am really interested in this version of the Titanic that you have come up with.

33:54 And I said, well first of all it's not exactly my version as such. You know, I've done a lot of research on it but you know... ...I've been standing on the shoulders of the people who did all the original spade work and I found out a lot other stuff but its not really what I call my idea She said well anyway you know the story inside out I guess and I said yeah pretty much and she said well I'd like to make film about it So I said, oh okay then. She said but in order to get funding there needs to be a book first So she said, how would you feel about writing a book about it first off? And then she says we can take it from there. So I set off on that tack and beavered away for a few weeks and got the basis of the book together and was all going very nicely and having phone calls every week with her and we were getting along really well and planning it all etc etc

34:50 And then about two thirds of the way, the book was about two thirds of the way complete and she got back to me and said I've been in touch with someone who's interested in helping me get some funding together but they say it has to be a novel. So, I'd written two-thirds written this nonfiction book containing all the anomalous facts that I knew about the Olympic story and trying to construct a story that I thought was more likely than the official story if you like. And I was suddenly hit with this bombshell well now I've never written a novel before in my life

35:26 But with her help I actually wrote this novel which was a fictional story based on what i believed was the real story. Anyway, to cut a very long story short nothing ever happened with the film because you could never get funding but it was a nice idea while it lasted for about 18 months But that was the story about how it came about, that there are two books. One non-fiction and one fiction. So I suppose in that sense it wasn't wasted effort because I got two books out of it and it was disappointing in the end but I suppose it was only to be expected. Hollywood is not really going to fund something that goes against their version of events aren't they? They've already driven home the official narrative once before Exactly! Once or twice yeah

36:15 So yeah, let's get into some of the story itself. I mean JP Morgan I guess would be the place to start would you say? Yeah absolutely. Yeah JPMorgan as a lot of people may know was uh quite a ruthless character he was one of the richest guys in the world that in his day He was into banking and railroads. It was all sorts of different industrial and commercial aspects. He had a lot of fingers in a lot of pies basically, and he was one of the most prominent industrialists in the US –in the world if you like– at the turn of the last century, the turn of the 19th to 20th century. And he had an idea amongst many other ideas that it had

37:07 that because there was such a great deal of immigration into the states from Europe and other places, he saw an opportunity to build up a shipping line based on a different premise to quite a lot of the other competitive shipping lines that were going at the time. And I'll come onto that in a minute. Basically invested a lot of money into A shipping line called the white star line which was at the time before he bought it with british owned and so we bought that line. And he brought into his own shipping conglomerate if you like, which is already been established got a few different shipping lines but it brought the whitestar lining into is is there is no car tell if you want to watch my best friends

37:59 And so what happened then was he liaised with a company called Harland and Wolfe in Belfast who were shipbuilders, and he actually took them under his umbrella as well. And made them part of this conglomerate. As I say they were shipbuilders and he commissioned them to build the series of three liners three sister ships that were meant to be the largest and most exclusive and luxurious that the world had ever seen. And these were, in chronological order, RMS Olympic, RMS Titanic

38:37 and RMS Britannic. Olympic was the first off a production line, and Titanic was the second, and Britannic actually didn't get built till after the Titanic had gone but so for all intents and purposes it was about to two liners Olympic and Titanic And that's where it all starts to get interesting. Do you want me to just continue from there? Sure, yeah let's just walk through the story as you uncovered it Okay It is quite complex actually because there are two different strands which come together and create a

39:17 Wow moment at the end, but it's I'll do my best But it will mean skipping about from strand to strand as we go along So so please do bear with me and if anything gets confusing by all means stop me and clarify. Yeah, well there Okay let me just go back too. So this was about 1908 when the decision was made to build the the liners which were going to be called the Olympic class of liners and And then a couple of years after that, and we're moving on to another strand of the story here. In 1910 there was a meeting at a place called Jekyll Island just off the coast of Georgia on the east coast of the US

40:00 which was basically a plan to usurp the power to create money from the American government and place it into private hands. A lot of people know that is, that was the prelude to the beginning of the Federal Reserve Bank is the equivalent to the Bank of England in the UK which is a central bank and which has sole rights for creating money. However this wasn't without strong opposition from certain mega rich individuals and we'll come on that later. Okay so they set off back to ship building strand now, they set off and built a liner called The Olympic which as I said was first one up production line

40:42 and it was a brilliant ship, it was fantastic. It was launched in 1911 which is about 12 months before the Titanic done about four crossings across the Atlantic backwards and forwards with great success you know everybody were saying what a fantastic shape Morgan was rubbing his hands with glee he could see all this investment coming back to him next to no time when something really Tragic happened not in the sense of the loss of human life, but in terms of the loss of Morgan's projected income shall we say what happened was on its fifth journey as it left Southampton docks and hanging in England Went down the narrow inlet of water call that Southampton water to a place called the Isle of Wight Which is just the Isle of Wight which is just off the south coast of England As it approached the Isle of Wight

41:36 It was in a massive collision with a British Navy warship. Now, this damage was a lot worse than they believed at first They got everybody off it safely there were no injuries or deaths and the ship limped back into Southampton Harbour to be patched up But as soon as the divers got underneath and could see the damage, they realised that this was going to be rather a bigger job than perhaps Southampton could cope with because it needed to go into dry dock. And the only dry dock big enough to take her was where she'd been built in Belfast

42:14 So they had to get her back to Belfast. Now it took about four weeks just patching her up, just to make the short 600 mile trip back up to Belfast to get into dry dock where they could do a proper damage assessment and complete the repairs that were needed Now, once they got it back to Belfast which was no mean feat they realised that basically what they had on their hands was 46 thousand tons of scrap metal. This is a real blow to Morgan because he had put all his eggs in this basket and put a massive amount of investment into the building of these ships. And all the time that Olympic was not on sea earning money for him, he was losing money massively and more importantly than that, The British Naval Inquiry found it was Olympic who was at fault for the accident therefore they had to pay for the damage

43:14 to not only the Olympic themselves, in other words they couldn't make an insurance claim because it was their fault but also they had to pay for all of damage to... all repairs to the battleship HMS Hawk as well. So it was a double whammy for Morgan and although he's a rich man he wasn't a bottomless piss and just couldn't keep chucking money at this project He had to find a way out of that so that was there In the meantime, Titanic is about halfway built at this point and she is being built.

43:51 almost identically to Olympic, but they're actually making small improvements because obviously with the benefit of experience they've noticed things that could be perhaps done a bit better on Olympic. And so Titanic is being... it's like a Super Olympic if you like she looks superficially identical but she's got all the latest gadgets more niceties little bits of improvements that just make it overall a better ship Then eventually they get Olympic back on the sea, earning money again. But there's something not right with Olympic and they know this it's not running well its having all sorts of engine problems, they're having problems with the prop shaft vibration heavy vibration

44:38 And then a couple of transatlantic voyages later, Olympic actually ran over a sunken wreck just off the coast at Sandy Hook which is famous for something else as well isn't it? But yeah she ran over a wreck and And she threw a propeller blade, right? Which is quite serious. Even though she had three propellers it wasn't the fact that she didn't have enough power with only two It was the fact that the ship was unbalanced so She went all the way back 3 000 miles back across the water to Southampton With only 2 propellers and basically nearly shook itself to bits So when it actually got back to Southampton it was taken straight back to Belfast for further damage assessment and it was at that point that I believe

45:26 that Olympic was deemed irreparable. Okay, so Morgan had a problem I believe that Morgan's answer to the problem was to continue to complete Titanic make her look like Olympic make Olympic look like Titanic and switch the ships and then organize an accident for Titanic or Olympic, whichever one you believe it was in order to collect the insurance money because there's no insurance company on earth would have paid out knowing all the damage that had been done to Olympic. They knew that if... Because it was quite a common thing in those days for just to sink your ship for the insurance money but that was just doing as a one-off when a ship had been involved with so many incidents and there is couple of other small ones which I've not mentioned

46:19 Olympic had been in a short life she'd been almost battered to death with various different incidents and so i think morgan saw way out of that and the only way could do it. Was by swapping identities of the two ships and sinking Olympic as Titanic. But I think things went wrong. That does make a lot of sense, that's how you would get rid of your lemon ship and replace it with your great untainted ship and yet claim that oh this one is the one we've been using forever Exactly and it wasn't a precedent that I mean this was quite apparently you know i've done quite a bit of research on this over the years now, and apparently is quite a common thing to do to do that kind of thing maritime insurance fraud with rife in those days.

47:07 I need to do something in those days because you know what you didn't have all the mass media that you have today there was no radio or tv internet it was just the. The written press that's all it was so it was quite easy to cover stuff up like that and other people say to me well how could you could you do that people would know about it Yeah, they would but you know there's a lot of other instances of things that people might know about as well like 9-11 but they still pull it off. Right And in those days it was even easier because as I say there was no mass media. Yeah man looking at the context of the time I think you're right and it has gotten harder over time for them to pull off these kind of things But I do think we still see a lot of moves from the same old playbook

47:54 But so, okay. Following the two threads of this story if we're saying JP Morgan was trying to kill two birds with one stone with this event and that's one of the birds he wanted to get rid of this junked up lemon ship The Olympic pass it off as the Titanic So you could collect the insurance money and cut ties with that liability in one fell swoop That's one of the birds talk to us about the other big bird here What else is going on? Well, the other big bird is we'll revert back now to the Federal Reserve side of things. There were four major opponents of the Federal Reserve Bank between 1910 and 1913 when it came to pass through Congress

48:33 And that was Benjamin Guggenheim, who was a wealthy industrialist at the time. John Jacob Astor who was part of the Astor family were also stinking rich and a guy called Isidore Strauss who owned Macy's department store in New York and he was also very rich guy now these guys had not accrued their fortunes through financial means And so they were sort of cut out the loop if you like in terms of what the financial reserve was going to do. Just in case there's anyone out there who doesn't understand what impact the Federal Reserve would have by its instigation on the finances, not just rich people but ordinary people as well

49:16 I'll do a little sort of snapshot of that just to put that into perspective. Basically what the Federal Reserve would do, would remove the authority to create and print money from the US government and put it into private hands Now this money would then only be lent to government Not given so they have to pay interest on that money back to the owners of the federal reserve it was some other rich fat cat bankers like jp morgan would instigated in the first place and. Strauss gogan i'm an aster another guy who everyone's probably heard off and limburg. Limburg yeah am charles limburg senior who is the father of the famous flyer,

50:08 i realize that what would happen is their own fortunes would be massively road by this because they were as they want to the deal basically when doing it through any sort of benevolence or feeling of charity towards poor people who are doing it for very selfish reasons but nevertheless they understood exactly the impact that it would have And of course that's come true now because the Federal Reserve, before the Federal Reserve was brought into being there was no national debt. There was no income tax and the country was very wealthy it was probably the wealthiest country in the world at that time, you know the turn of the last century but ever since then its probably been one thats most in debt because of the Federal Reserve Bank and the intrinsic way that works

50:59 creating debt by creating money which after all is just debt. Dollar bills are just a dollar of debts to the Federal Reserve that's all they are, but it's real debt not just paper debt so anyway that's the background to that. So these four guys were vociferously opposed to the instigation of the Federal Reserve Bank. And in fact, Aster was on his way back from an extended honeymoon on Titanic to actually instigate a very big campaign against the formation of the Federal Reserve Bank and he got all these campaign managers in place all along the East Coast

51:46 fund a massive campaign to bring the real truth to the attention of the American people so that there could be popular movement against it and prevent it from happening. So Morgan was aware this, and he was very angry about what these four guys were doing And its my belief they actually managed lure three of them onto the Titanic using various means, in order to sort of as I say you keep using this phrase but kill two birds with one stone or in this case three birds Astor Strauss and Guggenheim. In the aftermath of getting rid of the RMS Olympic as well so it was very much a win-win situation for Morgan and I believe that is actually what happened

52:37 Boom there you go man it really is a great story and I think the motivations are there i think the evidence is their which we can dig into more in the second hour but just to reiterate the timeline here 1908 JP Morgan buys The White Star gets that whole shipping line an order. 1910, the nefarious meeting on Jekyll Island to talk about how to get the Federal Reserve into place. 1911 they launched The Olympic after many problems in 1912 they sunk The Titanic or The Olympic and then in 1913 on December 23rd right before Christmas Eve yeah the Federal Reserve when everybody's looking the other way goes into law

53:18 So there it is in a nutshell, a bullet point for every move on a five year plan and by removing the opposition to the Fed he helped to enslave a nation. And here in 2015 they still got us by the balls I think that makes this pretty important and something that everybody should know about. Again I've gotten no actual proof of this but I just think there's a lot of, well not think. I know there is a lot of circumstantial evidence that points to it. I've done several years almost full time research before i came up with this theory and again im not saying that was my original thought Im standing on the shoulders of other people to actually take it one step further if you like but Ive done a lot of unique individual research that tends to point

54:09 my feelings in that way, let's say. Well said! Man wow John that pretty much does it for us I think we did a great job of shining the spotlight on these little pockets of corruption that are still fairly well masked so thanks so much for taking the time My pleasure Before we do go would you like to tell people about your books and anything else you got going on where they can check out other work you've done? Sure. I've got three books at present that are available for sale, the first one is one that you kind of alluded to, The Falsification Of History which is almost like the conspiracy bible if you like and the other two are ones we also mentioned, one's RMS Olympic which is a non-fiction version of The Titanic Story

54:58 And the other one is called Titanic's Last Secret and that, that's just a little story that I in conjunction with the film director in Hollywood built around that same true story. Obviously it's fictional story but its based on the true story and it quite whimsical, it not very serious you know But those are the three that i've got in publication at the minute, I am actually working on this is a long project very much like falsification of history was too. And it's called behind the curtain and this is an expose of the banking industry which got little bits elements of everything we talked about today but its you know because all federal reserve family families and all the rest of it so intrinsically linked

55:49 It's similar in some ways to falsification but it comes at it from a different angle. And obviously there is lots more new information in there, because falsification was written about 4-5 years ago. But yeah if anybody wants to buy the books they are available on Amazon.com just type my name and I'm sure you'll find them. Very awesome. Yeah, I'm so glad I stumbled into your work! I did buy your book and I found a lot of other little sagas that I've yet to investigate no problem it was actually very convenient because i can tell that it's a huge book you can see that its got 700 pages in there and the Kindle edition is only $6 so thats less than a dollar for 100 pages thats a pretty good bargain yeah

56:37 This is indeed. Well, you know I did find a lot of those little sagas that i haven't seen before or haven't dove into yet so maybe down the road we can do another show and hit some of those points as well as some other things are going to be in Behind The Curtain That would be great! I'd love to do it Awesome! Well until then man thanks again and keep fighting the good fight Thanks Greg Eureka people, eureka indeed. Hopefully we all learned a little something of course We strengthened the titanic conspiracy argument in the second hour But I think we got a full explanation in the first and within The extra mountain of info that John lays out about this situation The thing I find most damning That I'll point out is that in a time Of a coal crisis where very few ships like this were even supposed to be on the ocean you have this ship

57:25 that's from another wing of JP Morgan's line called the Californian parked 20 miles away from this seemingly random and unplanned accident. And what were they carrying on board? Well, it was just an empty ship except for 3,000 wool blankets and sweaters I just think that's too damn coincidental. On top of everything, it shows that they did have some people in place to save some lives but of course not those key opponents the Federal Reserve and i think it's a great piece of alternative history and a way to break people into these types of events if 9-11 is too hot for your friends and family talk them about the Gulf of Tonkin incident or this saga we talked about today. This one also provides breadcrumbs to walk them right into the federal reserve ball of

58:10 And if you get that, you kind of get 80 or 90% of what's really important out there. Then these charities and this whole putting third world nations in debt coming in and having a big concert blowout and selling tracks around the world then reducing the aid to them Kansas City shuffle kinda thing is pretty interesting to me. There's an article from Snopes that I printed out that has even more information on corrupt charities. I wanted to read it to you guys add yet another exhibit to the case I figured I could do this in the after show as not to take up John's time. This piece ranks the most corrupt charities and it goes a little something like this...

58:46 The worst offender yet again for the 11th year in a row is UNICEF. The CEO receives 1.2 million a year plus use of a Rolls Royce for his exclusive use wherever he goes and an expense account that is rumored to be well over $150,000 a year only pennies from the actual donation goes to the UNICEF causes less than 14 cents per dollar of income The second worst offender this year is Marsha J. Evans, president and CEO of the American Red Cross. Her salary for the year ending 2009 was $650k. She also gets 6 weeks of fully paid holidays a year including all related expenses during that holiday trip for her husband and kids

59:34 It's a little excessive. And all this means that out of every dollar they bring in, about 39 cents goes to related causes. The third worst offender again for the seventh time was Brian Gallagher president of United Way he receives a salary of $375,000 plus so many numerous expense benefits it's hard to keep track as to what it's all worth including a fully paid lifetime membership for two golf courses one in Canada and one in the US two luxury vehicles, a yacht club membership three major company gold credit cards for his personal expenses and so on. This equates to about 51 cents per dollar of income that ends up going to the charity causes

1:00:19 Fourth worst offender on the list has also been in this spot before. In fact, every year since the information has been made available from the start of 1998 amazingly here yet again The President Of World Vision a charity based in Canada The position holds with it a salary of $300k plus what is also supplied A home valued in the $700,000 to $800,000 range. Completely furnished and paid all housing expenses including taxes, water, sewer, HD, high speed cable, weekly maid service and pool & yard maintenance. Fully paid private schooling for his children, upscale automobile and a $55k personal expense account for food and clothing with a $125k business expense account

1:01:06 And also get this because it is a religious based charity, it pays little or no taxes can receive government assistance and does not have to declare where the money goes. Only about 52 cents of of earned income per dollar is available for charity causes. Also noted the March of Dimes is called the March of Dimes because only a dime for every dollar is given to the needy, which they source some links for and also with honorable mention as The Goodwill CEO and owner Mark Curran who profits 2.3 million a year Goodwill is a very catchy name for his business because you donate to his business and then he sells the items for profit. He pays nothing for his products, and pays his workers minimum wage! What a great guy So there's just a little extra To think about...a little extra to know It does seem a little depressing.. A little cynical But this is what's going on

1:02:00 So just be careful, but I guess be optimistic about the amount of people who want to help and are willing to share their income to help a brother out. It's not hopeless it's just that we're giving it to the wrong people they had a chance what have they been doing for the last three decades? So to me, it's again somewhat positive in the end to really look at this and say oh so we're not really just leaving half the world to rot. There really are enough of us who care It's just a few people burning through billions of our dollars And if we get them out of the way maybe we can do something right Another thing John mentioned in The Plus Show that I wanted to mention was he brought up the point that when JP Morgan was trying to buy the White Star line of ships it was illegal for a foreigner to own a British shipping company

1:02:43 But the elites just rubber stamped it and made a deal with him that if they ever need the ships during wartime, he'll give them up. Well that sounds exactly like Sam Walton founder of Walmart and his apparent deal with FEMA. Walmart agreed to turn over some of the stores in the event of a national emergency and got paid a huge retainer under the table who knows? That's what Jim Fetzer says, and I thought I saw a parallel there that was worth bringing up. I've also been hearing about this AI component to Jade Helm. I might just have to have someone on about it but some are saying that this whole operation might be a test of AI control for a military operation It's a thread that is kind of new to me and I'll have to look more into it but it definitely freaks out a little bit Kinda like a real life Ultron Skynet scenario

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