John Brandenburg | Nuclear Destruction, Ancient Civilizations, & Other Mars Mysteries

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00:43 All right, all right. How the heck are you higher side chatters? Drinking a little drink smoking a little smoke and soaking in the implications of today's show from sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood And what excellent timing not only does NASA release the proof of flowing liquid water on Mars But I sat down with John Brandenburg about another more revealing piece of information about Mars that really tells us a lot about the past It's a synergy a coalescing that you just can't plan And it's a curious thing because by no means do I trust that NASA is really revealing the bleeding edge of what they know, and neither does todays guest. I mean hey that's a fundamental THC principle right? But we are operating on a fairly conventional playing field today... albeit with a thread of evidence that is really anything but

01:28 John's a good guy with an impressive resume that you can't dismiss, and for me I feel like I can firmly place his perspective in my Rolodex as exhibit A for some of the wilder claims researchers are making about the ancient unknowable past. So here to lay a good base and break down everything we think we know about Mars is John Brandenburg And to play a synth is a real treat I got in my inbox not long ago from an artist known as Tactlacker featuring Smother Teresa and MC Slim C. I now pretty much have some crazy THC bumper music in every style, every genre thanks to all the great artists sending these in but here's Tactlacker & Company with the great John Brandenburg and The God of War himself on the other side Enjoy!

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02:52 Alright people, we've long speculated about the unknown nature of our past and by extension the history of the solar system wondering if things were ever vastly different than they are today. We have myths and ancient writings that describe radical differences in strange possibilities but often Often times the scientific evidence is not there to back up the stories, either yet to be discovered or has yet to leak out. But today's guest just might have one of the smoking guns we're looking for! His name is John Brandenburg a PhD in Plasma Physics who is working as a consultant at Morningstar Applied Physics LLC and is part time instructor of Astronomy, Physics & Mathematics at Madison College

03:41 and other learning institutions in Madison, Wisconsin. He was also part of the Clementine mission which discovered ice at the moon's poles in 1994. He has also authored several books including Beyond Einstein's Unified Field Gravity and Electromagnetism Redefined Life and Death on Mars The New Mars Synthesis and Death on Mars, the discovery of a planetary nuclear massacre. A very accomplished scientist who will be one of the primary presenters at the upcoming Secret Space Program conference in Austin and I'm lucky to spend some time with him today John Maman how the hell are ya? Oh, I'm just great Greg. Just great!

04:34 Oh, sure. Well I always wanted to be a physicist my uncle Will Suri was a physicist and he worked on the Manhattan Project during World War II so i was very much inspired by him and by the rest of my family So I actually went to school got my undergraduate degree in physics then I went to graduate school at Lawrence Livermore National Lab outside San Francisco Bay Area And there I worked on controlled nuclear fusion. We're trying to find a cleaner, safer form of nuclear power and part of the time I spent working on laser fusion. Now laser fusion is trying to miniaturize the hydrogen bomb

05:14 to make it basically a hydrogen bomb firecracker. Since a lot of it is based on nuclear weapons physics, I had to learn the basic physics of how nuclear weapons work so that's kind where my nuclear weapon background was and It wasn't direct, but we basically were brought up to speed on the basics. And people who designed the neutron bomb are right down the hall from us when we were working on our laser fusion stuff so... Basically that's what happened then as I

05:53 I ended up working at a place called Sandia National Labs. They also did a lot of work with nuclear weapons, we were actually working on directed energy weapons so it was very much stuck in the Cold War and The Cold War was really scary at that point. And I suddenly became aware that they'd found this, what looked like archaeology on Mars the face on Mars and the pyramid nearby it for convinced to Petra Molnar and Greg Molnar. And I just thought oh wouldn't it be wonderful if that was true? That would stop the Cold War. Yeah

06:38 and i really i really did get involved because i thought if we find a dead civilization on mars the cold war people won't be here the russians in america will both be concentrating on going to mars together rather than then fighting over you know who was right carl sparkler thomas jefferson and so are you I lent my talents to this investigation. It was started by Dick Hoagland, he's called the Inlet Investigation, the independent Mars investigation team and we basically verified everything that Vince DiPietro and Greg Moulinard had done and pushed on beyond it

07:21 And in the process, I was standing in the library at Sandia Labs and I was looking. I was getting ready to copy... In those days everything had to be Xeroxed so I'm standing in line using a Xerox machine and a guy who's standing next to me we're just chatting and I mentioned that the Mars atmosphere had very unusual isotopes of xenon And he said, what? He said. I showed him in the scientific journal that I was copying and he stared at it for a long time and he'd been actually you know... he looked like his end of the day is very happy individual suddenly his smile vanished. He handed back to me instead looked at me straight in the eye says somebody nuked them somehow he had looked at that data

08:14 And then he suddenly kind of clammed up and he said, excuse me. He left the line for the Xerox machine and walked out of the library. I recognize that every once in a while if you said something inadvertently classified at Sandia Labs in an unclassified area like the library then you basically just excused yourself and walked away. That's what he did. I did not understand at the time I was not aware of the data that he had. to find out what it was that caused him to have that reaction. And finally, basically Mars shows evidence of having an enormous amount of uranium and thorium fission. These are trace isotopes in the atmosphere you do the forensics on the Martian atmosphere and it says oh some big nuclear event happened here so at first

09:22 I thought perhaps it was a natural nuclear reactor. On Earth, we actually had natural nuclear reactors in the uranium deposits and they ran like an ordinary nuclear reactor. They would use water to slow down the neutrons and then they would become reactive and then they would overheat drive all the water out, the reaction shut down. And this went on for millions of years down in Africa and they found 20 spots where this happened in these big uranium deposits. So that was my first thought and I actually almost believed it, but as I presented, I went to scientific conferences and presented this hypothesis and it was well received

10:05 And then, but as I got feedback from people they said oh the xenon isn't right. And then I did some more research and found out no the pattern of xenon isotopes is like a fingerprint in the Martian atmosphere is weapon signature It means it was a fast neutron event. A normal nuclear reactor runs with slow neutrons because they're more reactive, but when you have pure uranium or plutonium you have fast neutrons and that's what makes the explosion and it leaves a tell-tale pattern. It leaves a fingerprint basically

10:46 and of what kind of reaction occurred. And Mars bears, Mars atmosphere bears the results of a massive fast neutron event which has to have been a weapon there is no natural process that can create this. The only process known that creates this pattern is a fission boosted hydrogen bomb. Wow! By the way, hydrogen bombs are triggered by an atomic bomb. A small atomic bomb triggers them sort of like a blasting cap to set off the hydrogen reaction. Hydrogen reactions sets off releases very fast neutrons what they do then is they put a casing of ordinary uranium just uranium ore

11:37 around the hydrogen bomb and the fast neutrons then split all the uranium atoms into ordinary uranium. The neutrons are so powerful, they split ordinary uranium atoms and Uranium-238. So you get an enormous boost to the hydrogen bomb reaction and then enormous load of fallout radioactive fall like radioactive iodine and strontium 90 and things that get taken up into the human body and cause cancer and death. If you look at the radiation hot spots on Mars that were observed from space with gamma ray spectrometers in both potassium and thorium, it looks like two massive hydrogen bombs. One about the size of an Empire State Building were dropped on Mars from space. They left no craters

12:43 The reason they left no craters is that they were airbursts. Both Hiroshima and Nagasaki were airbursts, and they didn't do it for humanitarian reasons. They wanted the blast to go off in air because it creates more powerful air shockwaves. In other words if you make a big crater then energy's going into the ground. They didn't want that. They wanted to blow apart the city And so whoever did this on Mars wanted the same thing. So we have two radioactive hot spots, we've now found that they're covered with glass called trinitite. The spectral pattern matches trinitite which is an atomic melt glass made in desert areas when they set off an atomic bomb in midair and they're slightly radioactive still after millions of years

13:36 They left no crater, meaning they went off in midair. And if you look then... If we can read a map You look just downwind where the shockwave and the fallout load of fall out would have been most intense there is Cydonia Mensa where the famous figures in Cydonian, that the Dipetro Molinar pyramid are found right next to each other. And the other explosion site if you go down one of that it's a place called Galaxus Chaos which is not as well known but is also called Utopia and its where they've two carved faces were found along with the ruins of city

14:24 So, two centers of civilization on Mars are directly correlated in location to these two explosions. This is hard to wrap your mind around! It looks as though Mars was Earth-like in the past, had life on it. That life evolved. Finally you had indigenous people living on Mars. They were primitive. They were like the Mayans or the ancient Egyptians building pyramids and carving big faces like the Olmecs in Mexico. The faces on Mars resemble the Olmec faces. That's a very peculiar...

15:07 you know, thing it's difficult to explain. Right the correlation? The correlation here these in the Olmec's carve these giant heads faces with wearing helmets that just what you find on Mars some of them look almost exactly like the faces on Mars and so it looks like it was a primitive based on an Earth reference And I've been criticized for using everything based on an Earth reference, but it's the only reference we have. It looks like a primitive civilization and then it looks like somebody space-faring came along discovered them and annihilated Mars with two massive nuclear weapons blew the whole atmosphere off of Mars and made Mars as it is today from being a much more Earthlike planet in the past

15:57 So that's the story and that is the unknown catastrophe that NASA people refer to. They know what the catastrophe was because I've talked to them on the phone." And let's talk about this a little bit, this unknown catastrophe because we just got lucky and were talking before we started recording that just in the past 48 hours Apparently they've come out and said that there's been the discovery of liquid water on Mars, and I guess some other things have come with it. Tell us about that a little bit? Okay the discovery of liquid water on Mars is the end of a long road where they knew there was water on Mars. The northern polar ice cap is a mile thick and its a lot of water ice. The southern cap is more dry ice

16:44 but the northern cap is where there used to be an ocean on Mars. There's all sorts of old dried up river channels on Mars, Mars used to be an earth-like planet with lots of water and then something happened to Mars I believe we know what happened now. But there is a remnant of life on Mars apparently In fact, it's releasing methane into the Martian atmosphere. Life on Mars is basically firing flares in order to be found but what they've found now is that parts of the Martian surface where there are exposed layers and craters—the craters blow a hole in the Martian surface and exposes the sediments

17:33 There are what are called water seeps. Water tables, there's a water table on Mars dating from when it used to be Earth-like and during the summer months of the water oozes out of these layers and settles into the bottom of crater and they were watching these stark streaks caused by this water seeping out. And then it would happen during the summer, in the winter it would all dry up and freeze and then all of the water would dry up and we lost a space. Then during the summer you have this seeping of water

18:17 What is really fascinating, Mars is covered with a substance called ammonium perchlorate which is rocket fuel. It's a very exotic chemical, normally only found in fireworks or rockets. Military rockets or NASA rockets it carries a lot of oxygen in it. It is basically a chlorine atom per chlorate. It's sodium like salt only has four oxygens stuffed on And those oxygens want to come off and just yield regular salt, table salt. So it appears that Mars... Not only does Mars have liquid water there's something living in it and its waste product is sodium per chloride. Wow!

19:17 It is basically excreting sodium per chlorate as a way to get rid of the plant life on Mars can't breathe in the Martian air. So what it does is that it makes It takes water and carbon dioxide and makes sugar, but instead of breathing the oxygen out it jams the oxygen onto this salt molecule and makes it into a sodium perchlorate and then basically excretes it. So we have bacteria on Mars that makes rocket fuel. And we have other bacteria apparently that eats it. Wow, now this is so radically different than a science fiction movie! Oh yeah, so we have bacteria that makes rocket fuel on Mars and I'll tell you something really peculiar in the case of science fiction being prescient... This was in a movie

20:11 The movie the Martian is about to come out right there was an earlier movie about a scientist astronaut being stranded on Mars. It was very good movie called Robinson Crusoe on Mars and There the astronaut is saved by the fact that he can cook the rocks and make oxygen Out of the rocks, and it turns out that's true Wow I love when movies jive with real life like that also Although a lot of aspects of that movie, uh... that are turned out to be true. One thing they found is the aurora on Mars covers the entire planet all way down to the surface When Mars gets an aurora it uh... and they have had in the movie this guy's first night on mars he's freezing He's almost freezing to death. He's sitting there trying to stay warm in his space suit

20:59 One thing he can't sleep so he's watching the Aurora all over Mars and it comes right down to the surface. But anyway, but then he finds oxygen in the rocks and that saves him. That enables him to live on Mars and so he cooks rocks every day to get oxygen and pumps it into a tank so we can walk around with this tank and breathe out of it. So but it turns out truth is stranger than fiction We have the bacteria which basically poop rocket fuel. Didn't also the Face on Mars, didn't that appear in a comic before it had been disclosed? Yes it did yes it did. That appeared in 1958 when Sputnik had been launched there was a Kirby Comics you can check out on the web Kirby Comics' Face On Mars had a story

21:56 all and the story is quite poignant day they astronauts find a big giant face on mars and they go investigate inside it may find inside the story of the death of mars mars was destroyed by yet other another alien species Man, very poignant. It is very poignant and it turns out once again that science fiction was prophetic. I may have even read that book when I was young. Wow! So let me ask you the strangeness to the life there that we're finding do you think that could be a mutation from this attack or is that natural to Mars' environment?

22:39 Well, there are... Sodium perchlorate is a very rare chemical in nature. The only place they find it on earth is in the desert region of Chile called Atacama Desert. It's the driest place on earth and it's very Martian looking And apparently, they find the perchlorate mixed with salt and sodium chloride and nitrate like saltpeter. There's natural saltpeter deposits there. And mixed with the salt, saltpeter is regular salt and also small amounts of this perchlorate and they speculate that it was made by bacteria there

23:28 Life is very strange on Earth. Every place, by the way we find liquid water on Earth even 8 miles underground where you think it'd be too hot for any life to survive there's water in that far down and it's got bacteria in it. Something figures out how to make a living, you know basically at the gates of hell itself yeah and so on Mars um yeah it may have been a mutation or it may have been

24:08 just some natural bacteria that survived the big catastrophe, which looks like it was a massive nuclear attack. And survives on Mars to this day with this peculiar form of respiration in on Earth's deserts I'm writing a scientific article on this by the way In earth's deserts, the cactus because they don't want to... The cactus leaves have pores in them and what they do is they absorb carbon dioxide through this leaf membrane but they want very much not to lose any water. So they don't open their pores

24:57 They close their pores during the day and they soak up CO2 from the air and store it. And then at night They also store the energy of sunlight. So their photosynthetic process is much different than other plants instead of like a regular leaf or grass that has photosynthesis, it's wet, it's taking in oxygen and water and CO2 and spitting out oxygen... In the cactus It actually soaks up CO2 and sunlight during the day, and then breathes out the oxygen at night. And the reason they do that is they don't want to lose any water because you know, they don't want this wet inside of the cactus where the cells are that do all the chemical processing exposed to the dry hot air of the day.

25:57 at night. So on Mars, these microbes appear to have gone one better. They have to get rid of the oxygen. Oxygen is just a waste product for plants so on Mars they join the oxygen into a salt molecule. They jam two oxygen molecules onto each salt molecule and then basically It's a waste product. Everywhere they landed on Mars, they find all this perchlorate in the soil and since it is very rare chemical on Earth they couldn't figure out what process

26:42 would cause this. And so it's now, I think we know what it is. It's basically a rabbit pellets from a bunch of photosynthetic rabbits and basically Mars is covered with waste product from its photosynthesis and then of course there's bacteria on Mars that apparently eat eat the perchlorate, the rocket fuel. And they get rid of the oxygen into the air and they get energy from freeing the oxygen from a solid molecule so this also solves another mystery. I've been to science...and you must understand Greg

27:31 what real scientists are like. A lot of scientists do not like controversy There were probably several people who discovered Einstein's E equals MC squared, but they thought it would be controversial so they never published it. So sad... And so Einstein who was a brash young Turk went out and published and took all the heat for it and some people criticized his work terribly you know? But What has happened is that a lot of people, there's a lot of strange things on Mars. There's methane gas bubbling out of the ground in several spots and that's normally on Earth the product of decays, swamp gas.

28:23 And so, and that bubbles up into the atmosphere and they can detect it from Earth telescopes. There's so much methane. So Mars life is basically firing flares to be recognized but no one will say that. Then they also noticed that the fourth most abundant gas in the Martian hemisphere is oxygen and it shouldn't be there People have told me this privately over a few beers in a bar at scientific conferences. They say, there's way too much oxygen in the Mars atmosphere. We don't think of oxygen being a very big thing in the Martian atmosphere. No it is the fourth most abundant gas. There's carbon dioxide and nitrogen both essential for plant life

29:14 Then there's argon which is an inert gas like helium, it's in light bulbs. That's also present in the earth. The fourth most abundant then after that is molecular oxygen apparently from photosynthesis Wow, that means there was plant life there. Oh absolutely! There's plant life on Mars and guess what color it is probably? It's probably red. Nice So we've actually been staring at Mars life all these years and not recognizing it. Yeah so they're going to find out that

29:49 Mars basically crawled with life. I mean, it's primitive bacterial life. It's... Mars is only a mere shadow of what it used to be. Mars used to like Earth before this horrible catastrophe happened That was one of my questions for you is we're told here that if there was like nuclear destruction worldwide, that cockroaches would be something that would probably survive. Is there any chance of something? Oh well, you know, cockroaches are pretty primitive so there may be There may be multicellular life that has survived in some little niches, ecological niches. You know there's the giant tube worms at

30:33 at the bottom of the ocean. They're fairly complicated, they are six feet long and big and they live off the bacteria that feast on the sulfur coming out of volcanic vents on the bottom of the ocean. One scientist said that ecological communities live in the bottom of the oceans around these these volcanic vents, the sun could just suddenly go out one day and they wouldn't even notice. They would just keep right on doing what they're doing and it's a crazy lifestyle I mean there... The giant tube worms live six inches from water that's hot enough to boil them

31:20 Since it's under such high pressure at the bottom of the ocean, the water doesn't boil. It can be many hundreds degrees hot and yet not boil so... And the tube worms live right next to these vents in the cooler water. Life finds a way! Life, absolutely. And apparently life has found a way on Mars... Oh! You'll love this also. Why would any bacteria choose sodium perchlorate? It seems like such an easy thing to make because you've got salt on Mars. The ocean on Mars was salty

32:02 So there's a lot of salt, sodium chloride in the oceanic clay. So apparently not only does this stuff store oxygen really well it is easy to make with materials on Mars. Materials commonly found on Mars can be used to make this stuff but it pulls water right out of the air Not only is it a nice waste product, but the waste product if your Martian algae cell or kind of lichen cell lives on a rock. It makes a bunch of sodium perchlorate to get rid of the oxygen that it's making and

32:44 And then the perchlorate has the peculiar property that it actually grabs moisture right out of the air on Mars and makes it liquid around itself. So, the cell actually... The more waste it excretes, the more it attracts water I'm really excited about this idea. Basically it says that we're looking at the waste product of life on Mars all over Mars, once again evidence for life on Mars and proof of life on Mars is actually staring us in the face all these years and we didn't recognize it

33:27 Yeah, and this is so interesting. I want to get back to the bomb a little bit or the two bombs apparently. Sure sure Xenon-129 I guess is what we're talking about apparently 129 and 132 are Also, they're in some type of ratio and most celestial objects but in Mars the 129 is way too dominant Did we see that same kind of thing? That's right. Happened on Earth after we dropped the atom bomb That's right We see-we see that on Earth The only place where you find this predominance of xenon 129 You know in a planetary scale Is on earth Hmm It's They have air samples of what the

34:08 atmosphere of earth was like before nuclear power started or nuclear weapons were invented, before 1945. So they have these air tanks and they would just go out and collect a bunch of air compress it into a tank like scuba tank and keep it And then later they take out some of the air and look at the xenon in it. The pattern of Xenon isotopes, and the Xenon-129 and Xenon-132 are the two most abundant and they're twin peaks. They are almost equal, and by the way this is the same pattern they see in the solar wind that gone out collected part of a solar wind

34:58 The spectrum of xenon is the same in the solar wind as it is on Earth. They've collected moon dust that's got xenon and they've even collected meteorites and ground them up, and finally they parachuted a probe into the clouds at Jupiter and measured the xenon there and it matches Earth this double peak 129-132 two equal peaks On Mars, the 129 in the atmosphere is two and a half times the 132. Only place you find anything like that on a planetary scale is on Earth and that is part of the atmosphere that has changed since 1945

35:48 And this is published in the open literature. So, and since then I've been able to show based on openly published data... By the way the government doesn't like to talk about Xeno 129. Why do you think that is? The reason it doesn't apparently is the government Xenon-129 is produced by fast neutrons in bombs and also in special nuclear reactors that use fast neutrons to make plutonium. So if you could basically back out how much plutonium has been made by the human race

36:34 In plutonium is a really terrible stuff. It makes atomic bombs, it's also incredibly toxic and so the The human race has set off a lot of atomic nuclear weapons and that makes a lot of Xenon-129. It's also made a lot of plutonium. The government apparently doesn't like to talk about the xenon 129 in the atmosphere, even though they published you know the fact that it is changed since 1945 simply because people could figure out how much plutonium is out there. Also, it's part of what's called the atmospheric monitoring program. They monitor the air like in the Pacific and Europe to see if anyone is testing nuclear weapons secretly

37:28 So they don't want to talk about it. But fortunately there's enough data in the open literature that you can figure it out very easily, that the Xenon-129 is due to fast neutron reactions and bombs so its weapon signature and thats why the person at Sandia Labs reacted the way he did I talked to some retired nuclear weapons experts and have shown them this, and they say yeah that's just what it looks like. So they...I was able to confirm that with...they unfortunately can't be quoted publicly but... Right right. So piece by piece the scientific puzzle is put together

38:20 reached the inescapable conclusion that Mars had been targeted with nuclear weapons rather than like natural nuclear reactors or something. I found myself having nuclear war nightmares like I'd had when i was a kid and you know, started to get depressed so I turned around and wrote a book called Cosmic Jesus to kind of meditate on cosmic good rather than cosmic evil And that's basically one of the problems for the government is a lot of people in this country are very religious. Fundamentals Christians just have an allergy to discussions about extraterrestrial life, they don't think it's in the Bible

39:09 But I showed that in the book Cosmic Jesus, that extraterrestrial life and intelligence is very much implied by the Bible. Yeah it definitely is! When you read it in the Greek... In fact, it's obvious that God God is talking about life and intelligence on other planets when you read the New Testament in the Greek rather than... People think that the Bible, fundamentally believe that the Bible was dictated by Shakespeare in English but to King James. No! Right right they filtered it out and translated it And the word for world In the New Testament is the word cosmos

39:57 That is what is translated as the word world in English, King James English. So when Jesus says go out into all the world preach the gospel to every creature he's really saying go out into all the cosmos And it means exactly now what it meant then, the whole universe. God is with the entire universe and preached the gospel to every creature. And when it says for God so loved the world he gave his only begotten son... The word again is cosmos So this kind of fortified me

40:36 And I'm just an Episcopalian. I mean, I'm not a fundamentalist but I still am a person of faith and I'm an Episcopalian so this was very comforting to me and once I had written that book... ...I felt like I could write a book about what happened on Mars So I have done so, it's called Death on Mars. Discovery of a nuclear planetary massacre. That's how I dealt with the really... The darkness of it?

41:13 The darkness of it. I'm sorry, we're talking about people back in the 60s it was fashionable to say that the human race was an aberration on nature and that we were most evil creatures on earth For a while they said why can't we be nice like chimpanzees? They didn't understand chimpanzee had enormous high very high murder rate And so I say now, people used to think the human race was the most evil species in the universe. But that was just conceit on our part! Noooo... whoever did this to Mars is way ahead of the human race. And when do we think this happened? It looks as though and here's the reason

42:04 These radioactive scars on Mars, where the debris patterns come from and the nuclear glass and everything. Those are only in the very long half-life isotopes. The short half life isotopes like iron and silicon which only let a radioactor for a few million years they don't show this pattern So that means, but potassium stays radioactive for a billion years. If you shot off an atomic bomb the rate of potassium in the soil will stay radioactive for a billion years so based on that and some other evidence it looks as though

42:49 This happened about somewhere between a half and quarter billion years ago. In other words, it's incredibly ancient in human terms. Wow! By the way the reason one quarter billion years may be significant is that you mentioned earlier cockroaches being radiation resistant? The cockroaches were one of the groups that survived the great Permian extinction which was the most severe mass extinction in Earth history. Far more severe than the one that wiped out the dinosaurs, but when they wiped out dinosaurs we understand now is by because of an asteroid. The Permian Extinction has got a completely unknown cause and it was so bad that ocean died

43:47 All the insects except cockroaches died. And in fact, I urged in the book Death on Mars that anyone investigating the Great Permian Extinction if they saw any isotopic anomalies that might be connected with a nuclear weapon they had to report that you know please report that right So, it's possible that whoever nuked Mars decided to nuke Earth too just to be sure. Well that's what I was going to ask you because we said these two areas of Mars are covered in trinitite and we have areas on the planet that are covered in that too right? In India I believe?

44:31 is there's a substance called Libyan glass. It looks just like trinitite, but it doesn't... It's from a far bigger event and nobody knows what caused it. They think it's a meteor. All they'll say is the origins of this are very controversial. And for a lot of scientists who are basically in mild-mannered group, in general they don't want to get involved with anything controversial. They're trying to get tenure at their universities and the way you get tenure is that you do not do controversial things

45:15 And so you basically spend your career carefully avoiding conflict, and if you can. So there's a big mystery on earth that may be connected to this but that's pretty scary. A lot of people don't like talk about that part but I think we're going The big message of the book Death on Mars is that now that we have found what appears to this, we have to go to Mars. By the way, the discovery of liquid water on Mars not only means there's

46:03 almost certainly life on Mars right now, but it also means that supporting human life on Mars is now two or three times easier. We don't have to bring all our water with us. Water's heavy! We can land at Mars and there's plenty of water there for us. All we have do is get the bacterial waste products out of it The rockets, strain out the rocket fuel. We can even use it for rockets. Yeah Mars grows rocket fuel. So another question for you... You've mentioned that the civilizations on Mars seem like they were primitive or Bronze Age at a time. How do we know that this was an outsider bombing them and not some ancient war on the planet in a more civilized time?

46:55 You know, that's a very good question and one of my colleagues has said to me that John your insistence is this is a primitive civilization blown up by somebody else rather than blowing themselves up. Your insistence that this is a primitive civilization sounds like famous last words I will freely admit, that I don't know what level of civilization they had. My interpretation is based on an Earth reference, that people who carved this kind of big

47:33 built these big monuments, carved these big faces. On Earth they were primitive Bronze Age kind of people but we're applying rules that apply on Earth to another planet so it could easily be that they had an advanced civilization and that we simply are misinterpreting it Or it could be just a rogue ship out there that had some high technology and wanted to test it out. It said screw it, let's hit these two planets! Well man, that pretty much does it for us. Fascinating ideas, compelling evidence... The discovery of liquid water on Mars means we can be 99% sure that we're going to find life on Mars within the next five years And that's a beautiful thing It is and its great advance for humanity This is a good day Would you like to remind people about your book website or other ways they can keep up with what your doing?

48:31 Yes, the proposal I have or the hypothesis that Mars was nuked can be found on lifeonmars.pub All the latest data is presented there it's also in the book Death On Mars which is available from Amazon.com Awesome! Well thanks so much for being here man and have a great time at the conference and take care of yourself Okay Greg, take care See you later Hold me closer, tiny dancer! There it is guys. John Brandenburg dropping knowledge that it seems pretty safe to say Mars was nuked The proof is in the pudding and the case is in the clouds And I find it pretty interesting info I also find myself feeling like I have a rabid audience That really tears up anyone who thinks of space and science In any sort of conventional way But yet by conventional standards John's way out of the box Way out on the fringe

49:26 So he's in a certain no-man's land here. But I did this to myself with guests like Eric DeBay and Crowe to some extent, and I thoroughly enjoy the work of both even though Eric added Crowe to his list of shills because God forbid someone not be completely convinced the Earth is flat but i love hearing from these guests! The weirder the better you know? And it's probably time we checked in with Crowe again soon by the way But not everyone is going to ramp up the strangeness to a 10. And just because we all agree NASA is deceptive, there's a lot of wiggle room between total honesty and creating an artificial infinite cosmos for us here in an earth egg

50:02 I don't know, it's hard to gauge. But I think Jon is a good smart guy who has worked really hard to be a player in some of these fields and he's extracted an important piece of information that probably wasn't going to brought into the light without a guy like Jon It's great stuff! And it's a basis for some those more radical stories in mythologies Always the god of war...I mean how does that happen? It seems too coincidental Yet how can anyone know what happened a quarter billion years ago Maybe this just coincidence I think a lot of us have this tendency to want to weave a complete narrative from first manipulation, the present day with only one target. And i think that's a bit simplistic by the same token. I think a lot of us want to believe that at least someone somewhere knows everything about history even if it is the pesky puppet masters or if it's locked in the basement of the Vatican somewhere there's just a comfort and the feeling that the knowledge isn't totally lost

50:56 that there just aren't huge unknowable blank spots in history, but I'm not so sure. The mythology around Mars matching up to this possible piece of evidence is no doubt compelling! But I don't know if we can ever fully fill in the unknown cracks of history and that makes me more unsettled than anything really... But there it is. For anyone who's listening to the free shows just sitting on the fence waiting to be pushed over into the plus side, you really have missed a lot in the past five shows or so but also in today's show we talked about the details of what's known about the Galaxus Chaos site on Mars They sometimes call it the Utopia site. We talk about the silver lining to bringing this new information into our worldview, the idea that it's a Darwinian intelligence test for humanity, John's thoughts on the asteroid belt and moon landing and NASA's trustworthiness, unified field theory and missing light radiation component, and science that makes UFOs work

51:49 It's a good time, I hope you'll consider supporting the show. I know everyone under the sun asks for donations or subscription and it's really annoying but i like to think that I do it less than most others and only at the end of this show after you've heard everything but the fact remains its necessity to talk about. I see the tens of thousands of people listen to the free show every week in the fraction that participate hearing the full show and plus...it's hard not to take it personally But talking about it for five minutes instead of two minutes probably isn't going to be the thing that gets it done. And I try to make it less about doing me a favor or begging you for money and instead just trying to make a kick-ass extended show so that we have a simple, easy exchange So treat yourself because with the same amount of money give a waiter I'm gonna bring you a lot more than a sandwich! I'm gonna give you five extra hours of speculation and education That I think with some guests could be considered pretty priceless

52:44 And then other times we're talking about space spider parasites and jump rooms to Mars. It's a spectrum, people! But you know for all the strangeness that we get into I've never really found one of these I've-been-to-Mars guys to be all that compelling Maybe that's sacrilegious considering To what extent we've gone here but...I could totally believe that We've reverse engineered craft or made some secret deals Or even just advanced our technology enough in the black ops projects to get to Mars But these I've been to Mars guys. always have to throw out something else that I just can't stomach. Like Andy Basagio and his comments that he was in a secret space program that took him to Mars, and Obama was there And then he was a time traveler that went back to the crucifixion of Christ and then forward in time To a timeline where you saw himself as president? And then there's other guys that say they know we have a Mars base They've been there and they were also transported into a fetus suddenly when they were 17 and now they have memories in the womb

53:42 I guess just Mars bases is never enough, is it? But here this is real evidence. Sure you and I can't verify that there's Xenon-129 in Mars' atmosphere but if there is and John seems pretty sure of that It clarifies at least a few questions about the history of the solar system There was life and atomic weaponry on Mars That's huge! Its evidence you can take to your skeptical dad or whoever you might be reluctant to share these shows with usually So maybe thats a good thing there Also guys i got a big thanks from matthew cross we talked to on the golden ratio episode he says he's mailed out a ton of free books and everybody has been really great is reached out.

54:22 And I do think that I have a more dialed in, engaged audience than most and that's a beautiful thing. It is worth thanking you guys for it. It is an important piece of the puzzle because I just had someone reach out to me for representation and I was pretty shocked and flattered but I am never going down that road again. I'm never gonna get the publicist or marketers or producers because I don't want the drama and I don't want the show to change So many shows I've loved have gotten big and changed and lost the magic. And so when I think of what a publicist does, they go out there and they sell me as a big deal puff up the show to get bigger guests and to get me on other shows while I don't need to be puffed up or that success of the show to be embellished. I'm not a fan of that shallow marketing world and I hope the strength of the show will stand on its own. And for the most part it does

55:13 But it was listeners reaching out to Chris Jericho that made that happen. And it was listeners reaching out to some of these bigger guests that have gotten THC on their radar In fact, just again this week a potential guest who had written me off is now going to make an appearance because some listeners reached out to them and said there's no better place to be than THC So you guys really are the publicists. You guys have been the marketing team and the promoters, and it happens organically because if you like the show and want better shows to listen too these things help! and reaching out to guests after they've been on lets them know that they didn't waste their time, and a really good response ensures they'll come back. And thanks for doing all that it's key I feel like i really can tell when it happens because a few days after the show A guest will email me and be like man I really had a good time if you ever want to do it again don't hesitate! To me that is clear indication That you guys have reached out to them and they've seen some measurable effects from being on THC

56:14 Cause everybody's in it for the promotion. Not everybody, but you know... It is a part of this whole thing like it or not So anyway I'm still waiting to hear back from the Money Bomb winner for September I'm trying to give them $290 they just don't want to take it And again, anyone who's going to the Secret Space Program conference in Austin this month. You can see Jim Mars and John Brandenburg speaking there and you can get a discount on your tickets with the coupon code SSPTHC2015 It rhymes it flows it's easy to remember or you just click on the banner at TheHigherSideChats.com

56:53 Another quick side note, I do have a lot of people writing me and commenting man. I really love that music you used on this episode or that episode That final song who made it where can I get it? And honestly the answer is always the same from this point out I altered the lyrics, hired an artist to create the track. Now have a few that i trust and use regularly All the music is freely available to the Plus members There's a spot on the menu bar that says THC Music You click on it all songs come up in easy-to-download mp3 format So just another reason to join Plus if there weren't enough already I know shut the hell up about it

57:35 I'm sorry. You're all great, and when I think about the fact that we have enough listeners now to fill Madison Square Garden many times over... ...I get a little nervous! I do but i gotta call it in. I gotta get out of here Your move ancient atom bomb droppers of the infinite cosmos your frickin' move Sweet dreams to the elite We're calling them out on THC Uncovering secrets and conspiracies Everybody's looking for something Some of them want to use you Some of them want to get used by you Some of them want to abuse you

58:23 Some of them want to be abused Sweet themes on DHC Who the hell could disagree? We know the rabbit hole goes deep Everybody's digging for something Some of them want to use you Some of them want to get used by you. Some of them want to abuse you. Some of them want to be abused.