Joe D8_THC | The Holofractal Universe & The Unified Field Theory Of Nassim Haramein

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00:51 Which means you'll unfortunately never hear my voice again. Hallelujah and hello, Hireside Chatters. Congratulations on making it through another day in the simulation! No...the game's not over yet. And what a game it is! In fact you can drive yourself crazy trying to understand this weird reality we find ourselves in but even more surprising is the fact that most people float through the whole thing without giving it much thought at all

01:49 operating on the assumption that for the most part it's all settled science. When in reality, the mainstream models are so full of number fudges, glossed-over gaps uninspiring assumptions and completely different scales when it comes to conventional physics and the quantum realm that I have a hard time calling them experts at all Because behind the bravado, condescension and dare I say intentional deception of mainstream science we have secret societies, the CIA and even ancient civilizations that have operated on much different models that make reality seem like a pretty damn magical place where conscious attention can alter the physical world flying saucers and free energy devices are not so far-fetched and psychedelic compounds can take you on a transformative trip through the ether itself.

02:34 And once you've tried the alternatives, it's easy to see how big a piece of the Big Conspiracy our pre-approved understanding of life, the universe and everything really is. Well one of the most exciting new models being built out these days is the hollow fractal graphic unified field theory of Nassim Haramein You can find Nassim breaking it all down in many online presentations, TED Talks and his documentary The Connected Universe. You can even explore the full curriculum and complete courses in this new science at the Resonance Academy Online The man has inspired many people as his work gains more and more steam, and one of these people is today's guest Joe who operates under the username D8 underscore THC on Reddit where he spawned the HoloFractal subreddit based off Nassim's ideas and built it up to over 20 thousand subscribers. Well I'm certainly psyched to have him here! The passionate advocate for the HoloFractal hypothesis JoeD8 underscore THC Welcome to THC

03:37 Thank you great i'm very excited to be on that was an awesome intro. I thank you man thank you and i do appreciate you being here i think this is gonna be a lot of fun i have tried getting the same himself but the man isn't high demand it seems in his work so fascinating there's probably a bunch of people banging down his door, what are they this is probably the next best option because you have done a lot with that subreddit introduce so many new people to this hollow fractal stuff I think the term itself is sort of self-evident in what it represents, but how would you set this up? What's the elevator pitch to introduce people to this alternative way of viewing the world. Right so yeah as you said holofractal is short for holographic fractal unified field theory and at its core it's unified theory of physics It's mathematical equations that try to unify quantum mechanics with relativity But that's on the very surface

04:34 It really is more like a cosmology or sort of a worldview because once you have, like, a working unified theory of everything all sorts of things I think start to slide into place and start to fit with the backdrop of the unified theory. I think it encompasses everything from physics and chemistry to biology spirituality mysticism even sacred geometry And you can even get into ancient advanced civilizations and the knowledge that they seem to have, that seems to correlate with this field theory. So yeah it's kind of like a framework or a worldview that has at its core pure mathematics so... That's how its summarized generally

05:16 Yeah right on right on and of course this is pretty complex stuff for listeners folding laundry and just trying to navigate that traffic on the way to their nine-five but i also like god this interest net analogy i think it kind of provides a good visualization and then also kinda harkens back to the past and this idea that they might have known more than we think they know what talk to us about interest net. Yeah, absolutely. This is definitely my favorite analogy to describe the theory and like as much of a TLDR I think is humanly possible. I think a child could even understand this analogy so basically...I'll read the quote straight as it

05:56 So, it goes far away in the heavenly abode of the great god Indra there is a wonderful net which has been hung by some cunning artificer in such manner that stretches out infinitely in all directions. In accordance with the extravagant tastes of deities, the artificers hung a single glittering jewel on each eye of the net and since the net itself is infinite dimension, the jewels are infinite in number There hang the jewels, glittering like stars in the first magnitude. A wonderful sight to behold." If we now arbitrarily select one of these jewels for inspections and look closely at it we'll discover that in its polished surface they're reflected all the other jewels on the net infinite number not only that but each of the jewels reflected in this one jewel is also reflecting all the jewels so there's an infinite reflection process occurring And that's the quote from about the third century So it's pretty old

06:45 It basically describes a holographic cosmos, which is really cool. Yes right infinite jewels in a net all reflections of themselves that definitely does speak to a fractal nature and these jewels would be the points that Nassim considers to be many singularities or I guess you could say black holes or even photons it seems these all might be terms describing the same thing in this model as far as I can tell that is a great analogy to have in mind when trying to understand all this. And this work really is the sort of wiping the slate clean and building up from the beginning so to speak and i thought i would just read this from the subreddit sidebar because it does give a good indication of just how broad, this work is and the interdisciplinary areas that covers but you say

07:34 In the past year, the Holofractal subreddit has experienced tremendous growth as more and more people are opening their minds to the possibility that there might be something to the unification of science and spirituality that Nassim's holographic universe theory promotes. The part of the holofractal theory and subreddit that amazes me most is the fact those who find themselves investigating this possibility come from many different perspectives There's the biology side with topics like bio-photons, microtubules, DNA as an antennae, EM vortexes causing cardiac arrest and a fractal structure to human bone.

08:11 Then there's the physics enthusiasts with findings like failures in the futile search for dark matter, all galaxies rotating once every billion years, the link between black holes and stellar information, time crystals and the possibility of a single quantum wave function entangling the entire universe. On the other hand, we have people approaching from a spiritual consciousness perspective. Stories like declassified CIA documents talking about remote viewing and consciousness, The Law of One and philosophies of great minds like Terrence McKenna William Blake and numerous scientists There are also people intrigued by these symbols and motifs found in ancient civilizations pointing to an advanced culture. Sometimes these connections get lost when someone posts cauliflower or bubbles, goes heavy on the physics with retro-causal quantum theory or animated GIFs of the flower of life but it is important to remember that despite the many different subjects covered it's all connected and we're all connected.

09:11 I think that's a great summary of sorts and with the theory that is supposed to be so fundamental you would expect to see it across all these different disciplines. But on top of that maybe you can talk to us about your journey through what were some of the elements that caught your attention first, Yes, so a couple years ago I was experimenting with psychedelics. I guess we kind of do yes Mostly DMT and I had I guess what you would call a couple of breakthrough experiences hmm, you know like total ego death total merging with the things that people have described for millennia that I'm sure it were all aware of Mm-hmm And you know, I came out of those experiences knowing that I had felt something extremely real

09:57 that i got to a place where it seemed like everything possible configurations before was actually in the specific form, all time no space inside of singularity. Sort of god mind i guess you can call it coming out and back to the real world you sort of have this dichotomy of materialism that most likely we are grown up with You know learning in our physics class learning that basically things are building balls interacting and life was an accident consciousness is also an accident of biology. It's a lusion essentially, i need help this doesn't really sit right because it sort of rift i think for a lot of people and it was kind of a risk to me you know i didn't know whether i can fully internalize these experiences eventually i think i watch the documentary thrive

10:54 First introduce me to the seams work it was just an intro you know he's just talking a little bit about. What are energy flows and patterns not much stuff about the holography that came more when i saw one of his later documentaries, call black hole with ww h o l e and basically. Him describing a holographic universe or university is completely entangled in talking with itself that really felt intuitively like Correct in my mind that oh this could potentially explain, you know the mystical experience This could explain the merging with the all that feels so real That a lot of people have and I'm like but whoa You know hold on don't just dive right into this new age. Woo, you know Like take your time Yeah So, you know it took me a couple months of really diving into his stuff to Really be like okay. I think this is it and I think there's something really here hmm

11:52 yeah man it's obviously pretty deep stuff but this is starting to make a lot of sense i think its important to get into the discussion of conventional physics and why we need a new model course the most obvious that we don't currently have unified physics we have a model for big things and a completely different model for small things at the quantum level and as nassim says this is stupid because big stuff is made up of small stuff so you know What would you say about the history of physics and areas where the hollow fractal model corrects some of the previous mistakes or holes? Well, there's a lot of those. There are a lot of those corrections but yeah so we have relativity in quantum mechanics like you just said can't describe the gravitational field with the quantum fluctuations that we know that are everywhere We can't merge it to

12:44 So yeah, so Einstein came up with equations to describe a gravitational field of the body. But he didn't solve those equations. A man named Karl Schwarzschild actually solved those equations for spherical body and the way he solved them was through infinite curvature. He solved it when this grid or plane of field basically contracted to become a single point which we call a singularity. It's an infinite amount of curvature you know this is what we all know as to be a black hole It's curved so much that once light enters it can't escape. And so this infinity is actually really important for NISM solution

13:21 There's infinities on the quantum mechanics side as well, and I'll go into that a little bit too to see how we can merge the two concepts. Based on these infinities... Most physicists think that the infinites are where our physics is breaking and yeah it is but its also giving us a clue as to where these two theories converge and that seems to be black holes so if we move over to quantum mechanics Basically, quantum mechanics was started through a problem. There's something called the ultraviolet catastrophe and this is when physicists were trying to calculate how much energy was being put out by something that's emitting light at all frequencies which is called a blackbody emitter. Something like the sun is an approximation of a blackbody emitter. Since it's emitting light on all frequencies

14:09 you essentially end up when you try to calculate the amount of energy for the ultraviolet spectrum, you get an infinite amount of radiation. You get an infinite amount of energy and this obviously isn't right. Ultraviolet photons don't have infinite amounts of information so this was a problem for a little bit until Max Planck inadvertently solved this problem and he was trying to actually make a better light bulb What you saw this problem was by quantizing light into little packets of energy. This turned into what we call the photon. But he thought it was a fudge factor, he's like why if I sectioned out waves of light? Why does this work out? It doesn't seem that energy moves in discrete packets, it seems that energy moves in continuous analog wave sort of not like when you heat up your oven doesn't seem to jump temperatures and seems to smoothly increase but when he did this it fixed the problem. Ultraviolet radiation now we're getting the correct amount of energy for

15:08 But you do have this infinity still when you realize the electromagnetic field spans the entire cosmos and you apply these same principles, which that is that the field is vibrating at all possible modes from largest wavelengths to smallest wavelengths. If you actually go to Wikipedia and type in vacuum energy it'll essentially be saying the same thing and say that a result of basic quantum field theory in empty space is that you yield an infinite amount of vacuum energy at each point in space So there's our second infinity in quantum mechanics, which again is The physicists apply something called renormalization to this empty vacuum, which means again they're taking Planck's solution which is to cut it off at the smallest wavelength. So when Planck solved the ultraviolet catastrophe he ended up with something called Planck's constant which describes the smallest fluctuation that makes these discrete packets of energy and it's got a specific size, it's got a specific energy and it's got a specific time because its a fluctuation of electromagnetic energy

16:12 So if you take this and you apply it to empty space, then you cut off the infinity. But you're still left with an extreme amount of energy in empty space It's something like 10 to the 93 grams per centimeter cubed Which is just...it might as well be infinity because if he took the entire universe And he smushed it into the same spot You wouldn't have anywhere near that energy. You would have ten to the 55 grams which is the mass of the observable universe so this is the largest problem in all physics called the vacuum catastrophe. This is sort of the clue that led Nassim down his path, but does that all make sense so far?

16:51 It does. It basically seems like there's the gaps in the conventional models that you had to inject an infinity to get these things to work and Planck's constant as well had to be kind of fudged in there so they have these equations that make the math work but yet, they can't really explain why They just know that you plug them in and things seem to work out on paper Is that more or less the case? That definitely is the case, yeah. Right on! Cool so I try to think about this we talked about Indra's net and i think about like a net of Christmas lights at the quantum microscopic level we're told that there's more empty space than there is matter and we have this massive emptiness between atoms well I guess this theory is saying that there is a quantum net of photons that maybe even the photon has been misidentified that it itself

17:48 is a small mini black hole spinning at an incredible rate am i getting this right you are absolutely correct yes so even before we get to that couple physicists did take this enormous vacuum energy very seriously like john wheeler did People are probably aware of the terms quantum foam. And what that is describing basically, is that the Planck scale there are these black holes and wormholes that are super high energy connecting different space-time pixels. And in the Sim solution yes he changes this a bit so that the empty structure of space is actually black hole photons in a specific crystalline configuration at the Planck scale. Yes

18:30 Yeah i thought it was pretty weird when I first heard him say something to the effect that were inside of a black hole but as he explained further and you get this fractal side of things its actually fairly simple, inside the shell of an atom is a black hole inside a planet or star. Is a black hole in the center of the galaxy as well and then would scale up to the universe itself and by black hole that really is saying a vortex that connects to the energy field or what's been called the ether or consciousness realm. Is that fair to say? Yeah, that is absolutely fair to say and it is also very easy to see we live in a black hole because if you take the mass of our observable universe and plug into the Schwarzschild radius calculator, if you take the mass and plug it in then you yield the Hubble radius

19:18 There's a wikipedia page that is called black hole cosmology and it states that right at the top. It says most physicists look at this as coincidence, and its like well maybe they should keep an open mind because maybe all of these things aren't coincidences. And i love the hollow earth theory and the sims sort of confirms it in a response where you mentioned the growing are and that if you reduce your size by sixty percent all the continents would fit together perfectly based on the models and make sense to me cuz why wouldn't. a planet grow bigger just like a tree or human or anything else does. And on top of that, just like all atoms he considers there to be a black hole or singularity or what some have called in the past an inner sun at the core of the earth and I like hearing that

20:07 And when trying to conceptualize this, one thing he said that was helpful for me is he's like think about a bathtub full of water. You pull the plug and there's a vortex so there's a thing there but it's not really a thing and it's really just a window into you know potentially if you think about these vortexes and photons and black holes all as the same thing it's a window into that Consciousness fabric or that universal field that's out there somewhere and so at every single point we have these vortexes, and that's kinda like the thread that stitches this reality to this overlay. That everybody has been talking about in eastern mysticism psychedelics and this is what were talking about and these are kind of details it flushed out right yeah exactly okay

20:57 A very easy way to visualize these vortices is just changing in density from the cosmological scale, which is the universal scale down to Planck's scale which is the highest density. So you just have this change in density of nested fractal black holes Basically like if you had a large vortex in water and get the small micro vertices that are gonna spawn on the outside of it for example when this talks about. Supermassive black holes at the core of galaxy is very easy to see and comprehend the galaxy is being produced by the super massive black hole so when you look at a spiral galaxy

21:36 if you imagine that this ether is entrained with a supermassive black hole and it's spinning with the supermassive black hole, you're going to get these smaller vortices that are spawned off of this black hole. And those are your particles which eventually spin together and become stars or you have black holes that are spinning off that are stars and you've smaller ones spinning up those stars in order to become planets and fractal set of vertices all being driven by this massive pressure of the quantum vacuum being present at all scales Hmm right on yeah this is really interesting man and that was something that i liked about the sims work as when it comes to consciousness and the microcosm of the earth, i've had a few guests bring up the animus model that really all life is conscious plants animals maybe even all matter itself like rocks. And thats like the sort of intuitive understanding that I can kinda get on board with consciousness permeating through all things

22:34 But Nassim sort of supplies that mathematics to support the animus model. And something that I've always wondered about is the differences in consciousness between plant and animal and humans, obviously there are different levels of complexity. A light bulb just went off in my head when he describes like you mentioned the density being the reason for higher complexity that the density of these photons these or these black holes is a lot more condensed within humans and it might be in other forms of matter and it really isn't analogy, how we talk about a constantly talk about the fact that once i set loose its gonna keep making itself smarter by folding all its information

23:22 back into its big net of knowledge. And you could almost say that that's reality, that consciousness is a field that reinforces itself by experience and then reaches or manifests higher levels of complexity. I mean, that's how it sounded to me when he was saying it and it really did seem to be like AI as a perfect analogy for how it's going to make itself smarter. Yeah, it's very interesting It brings up some philosophical questions like when we talk about solution and we talk about this field of basically fluctuating pixels of information that are basically entangled in talking with one another.

24:02 To me, there's a very interesting question on whether we're going to be able to recapitulate that into machine because these Planck spherical units due to the fact that they are toroidal oscillations that are continually doing feedback reaching out and going back into the core singularity and reaching out. And they're building in complexity from this source You can call it the source fluctuation or the field but are we gonna be able to replicate those dynamics into a system that is able to self grow and self complex if i would like a spark need that spark of initial awareness not. The some sort of plasma technology will be closer to replicating consciousness but your analogy with the feedback loops and what these neural networks where

24:48 the trying different values to taking what works and their feet back into the process in sort of like a order from chaos type deal is definitely a good way to explain cosmological evolution entangled holographic universe. And that is kind of an area that is still a bit fuzzy to me is, this network that goes through everything he says it's in like every atom so. It's in a stapler as much as my body and not as much but its end inanimate objects to write me this isn't just biological oh yeah, it's everything okay so from that perspective and I mean if it's ingrained in atoms and we make a supercomputer

25:33 I would assume like i used to say that this whole idea is already hurts well stuff is kinda stupid that there's something magical about consciousness and you're not gonna be able to duplicate it but if its in all atoms from the ground up and you build something thats actually plugged into at the quantum level i mean it's kind of scary because it seems like. That could unlock the entire universe Yes a good point so i think it really depends on our tech obviously the way i think about technology right now if you think about the background field that's creating everything the plunked feel that everything is sort of evolving out.

26:11 I think of our machines right now it's kind of just like metal blocks that are sitting in this sematic fields that aren't interacting you know they're completely disconnected from it they're not coherent don't have this fractal scalar coherency down to the plan scale and that's because they weren't grown out a bit. Like nature does. Nature grows out of it, so it maintains these golden ratio proportions, these harmonics of fractal electromagnetic fields and that's the important part is that its being built from the ground up and not something that slapped together with a couple silicon boards So I think... Is it possible? Maybe but are we close to it? I don't think were close to making something that can express the consciousness in the Planck field and interface with us with it But thats just my opinion and im not really sure

26:55 on resident science foundations. Oh, yeah man I have no idea i just found it to be an analogy of sorts with the AI thing but obviously we need to do establish some context for this full theory up front but i did want to get into the weird stuff because one of my favorite aspects of uh some new models is folding in all the stuff that the conventional model tends to leave out or ignore things like the paranormal, sigh effects, remote viewing astral projection the psychedelic experience like you mentioned. The reality of free energy or electro-gravitic crafts the odd things we see in ancient civilizations that indicate some deeper understanding than we have today all that kind of stuff and the hollow fractal concept is really great at incorporating all these weird things that I kind of love is there

27:46 Any particular weirdness to get into it that strikes you as a real aha moment under the hollow fractal model. I think one of the ones that did was remote viewing and especially seeing the CIA documents on remote viewing and some researchers at the CIA that were working on the projects on remote viewing in the gateway projects, How that sort of clicks into place with a hollow fractal model and the fact that they were basically describing a very similar model in that there is this non local entangled plunked field that connects everything so i think if you're able to.

28:25 go within or if you're able to change your consciousness to the point where you can resonate with a specific set of information that is within the holographic information that is within each and every proton, If you're able to resonate with that information then you are able to just pick up on it non-locally. And I think that's the basis for all of the other sort of, would you call them new age or spiritual ideas? That a lot us are aware Even things such as feeling people's emotions and vibing with them down to telepathy all come from this non local resonating field i think like things like.

29:02 The phenomenon of being stared at and knowing that it's happening its this interconnectedness and i like the remote viewing stuff too, it's weird because on a base level i think of remote viewing as something the police use they get a psychic day give them a piece of someone's clothing in the side can find where the. Bodies buried or whatever you know they had cases like that but then you scale it up a little bit and it gets to be quite weird where there are remote viewing groups that say they project their consciousness out to the ruins that exist on the moon are on mars day have. Observations of civilizations that are just completely foreign which indicates no off planet and,

29:50 I guess i'm okay with that but it is obviously quite epic and it sounds quite weird. And the hard part, the fuzziness of it... Is how do you use the field to get to a point in space that we don't even have coordinates for? Like when it comes to Mars as far as you and I are concerned That's just an idea out there like We know there might be another thing out there But to quote-unquote land on it with your mind by using the field I don't know that's why i almost attempted to get off the bus at that point. Right that's a very good point i mean if it is a real thing of someone says you know okay remote view mars and you don't know where mars in the sky right but there is this archetype for this more fake representation of mars that is within the consciousness field basically i guess everything. So maybe your own conception of mars is sort of resonating with the morphic archetypes representation of mars and you can start zeroing on it that way but thats completely esoteric completely something

30:54 Who knows? That's a very good question. Well, you are speaking to something that comes up in a lot of shows about magic and the power of the imagination and ideas that if you concentrate on something enough it actually becomes real. And I mean all you got to do is say so many people have thought about the concept of Mars we've seen pictures of what its supposed to look like you can see at night sky it is just a dot but But there is a solid foundation there of an idea of what it would be and maybe if you're in that field, it starts to pulsate or vibrate or draw you to it like magnetism. Exactly. Because there are people in magical circles who say they create entities to serve them, servitors, that kind of stuff like you just think hard enough and you make a little mental homunculus that starts running around doing stuff for you.

31:46 We really don't understand how real ideas are you know they might be very real there might not be much separation between. This world of what's an idea and what's actually out there so i guess i can conceive a possible way to achieve remote viewing of mars Yeah, I'm not going to be able to do it. Um yeah, I think this comes down to you know, you can keep interpreting it as this materialistic equation and you can just keep being like oh okay It's holographic. It's kind of communicating Okay so its a dead quantum computer

32:22 But then there's also the other way of going about it which is like no these equations are describing like a god mind it's describing universal consciousness that is springing matter into existence and this entire thing is minded in the entire thing is archetypes and ideas and. I think its basically the imagination playing out And i think with that you're always coming back to the mystery in that interpretation which i really like. Yeah and we did just do a show about the different kinds of processing even just in the brain we have serial and parallel process and then the left and right hemisphere and then you get into quantum processing which is,

33:03 reaching into that fabric and pulling out an answer rather than going through a process of ones and zeros to solve an equation you could just reach into that quantum field and pull out your answer and i think, that right there might be the model for how remote viewing anywhere in the universe could work. Yep that makes total sense today Even the imagination itself and people like Nikola Tesla who would sort of do that would close their eyes and get visions on different inventions or get visions on how to Something just click you know i need to stop this total and complete idea that seemingly was plucked right out of the ether will maybe it actually was like that universal consciousness there. And the point you made about being alive itself is obviously important maybe just go into it, add no it's like oh your trying access this well here we are here it is like connected every atom so

33:59 It seems hyper intelligent if it created everything already i mean maybe this is god we're talking about but in terms of conspiracy stuff, hi like how i've heard you talk about this before and the context of the philadelphia experiment. I guess i would ask how could this model explain something like that philadelphia experiment and this idea that a battleship was warped in and out reality Yes so first solution like we were saying earlier requires that space itself is basically where all fabric and particles themselves are basically. Nests of entangled black holes which can kind of be looked at as sort of a phone me when i'm whole soup

34:43 And normally things you know where they're supposed to be no solution does dictate that everything is in communication with everything else and everything knows the location of everything else because. Everything is interacting with everything else exchanging information i mean instantly this wormhole connected space-time fabric means that there's potential for quantum tunneling through these wormholes from place to place. In fact, that's actually what is going on when you move your hand being made up of spinning black hole photon Planck spherical units. Your empty space not spinning its background fabric but when you move your hand like we were saying earlier this is much like a vortex moving through water it's not the individual water molecules that are moving It's this vorticular dynamic that's moving through space

35:31 So we're already quantum tunneling and wormhole jumping from pixel to pixel all the time. So if the Philadelphia experiment did happen, I think it's feasible to speculate that it happened through some sort of quantum resonance through altering the resonance of the ship through vibration to allowing it to sort of mesh with this space back on either end jump around and even jump time because When you have an entangled quantum wave function, you actually have retrocausal entanglement which means things in the future can influence things in the past and you have all of your past interactions still entangled with you because the past and the future are basically interfering to make the present. So you get this time possibility as well which is pretty cool.

36:14 Interesting so like you have this battleship in the ocean you could just maybe find its frequency and it slips into the vortex is under the fabric and then maybe comes back out again. That's what it seems like phasing out facing in i mean if adams are doing that all the time anyway seem potentially possible i assume yeah, I also can i help to explain flying saucer electro group it at craft two right cuz it seems like he's saying with enough spin you can just. Move about through this feel because everything is entangled and all these crafts seem to spend the nazi bell seemed to be about rotating encounter rotating mercury so that's very much in the mix to this,

37:01 Generally, I think it's called Ether Physics type of science...type of technology. But i mean it fits right into this model too. It all plugs right in Yeah, it's very easy to look at it as fluid mechanics. When you look at ether theory in light of fluid dynamics or even plasma fluid dynamics then yeah stuff like that starts to make sense like oh gravitational curvature is actually just vorticular spin if you map the change and acceleration when you're going down a vortex then you get what Einstein described as increasing curvature so when you replace just this flat plane idea idea of gravity that most of us have from seeing like you the trampoline with a ball on it and this current traffic when you replace that fluid dynamics, a lot of stuff starts to make intuitive sense. That's especially relevant for even interpretation of quantum mechanics like pilot wave vs copenhagen but we can go into that later but similar stuff sure and

37:55 It's just getting back to that fractal element it's kinda like the way you're describing at the weather heard no sim describe it. I start to think well we have all these little points of light basically with massive space in between and you started thinking if i had a quantum, microscope and i was looking at something under it, it would almost look like outer space it would look like huge vast emptiness with little points of light in between them that's the fractal nature of everything right yeah absolutely.

38:31 I remember probably 15 years ago, I think I was listening to Terrence McKenna and he said something about it's no accident that an electron going around a nucleus of an atom looks like planets going around the sun in the solar system. It blew my mind at the time. Little did I know how relevant that would be. Yeah, you could extrapolate that out so much but... You mentioned pilot wave let's talk about that a bit. Okay yeah! After quantum mechanics started to become popular the physicists met in copenhagen and sort of decided on this interpretation of these experiments most notably that dual slit experiment double slit experiment

39:10 We set up an interpretation of quantum mechanics that is the Copenhagen interpretation. And this is what we all think of usually when we think of quantum mechanics, we think that particles are both particles and waves or they're both and that particles are not actually in a specific location but they're in a superposition of all these states and if you observe a particle being shot through these double slits that it goes from being away even to particle and it knows something is observing it. It's abandoned mechanical causality there, you're not really allowed to try and visualize this experiment if you ask physicists how do I visualize this? They're like well, you don't have to, doesn't have to make logical sense to human brain. You are like, are sure? I think we should have some logical consistency here

39:59 So yeah, that kind of has tainted the past however long it's been like 60-80 years of quantum mechanics and how we look at the universe in this very weird light. But there is another interpretation that will give you these same answers in the double slit experiment, things such as wave particle duality and collapse. Things such as quantum tunneling and it's old! It's as old as Copenhagen and there are a couple of guys who worked on it, de Beauglier and David Bohm they called it pilot wave. They're like well wait a sec this kind of makes sense if we look at the double slit experiment in some sort of fluid mechanics lens like if you have this field

40:38 that sort of is in resonance with this particle, and you shoot a particle like a vortex through this field then of course you're going to also have this guiding wave that is made in the field as you shoot the particle. But if you interfere with it, if you touch this wave, this particle then you're gonna collapse the resonance and its gonna look like back just a particle but it's nothing crazy or esoteric It's just fluid mechanics but there are couple strange things that come out at Why are all the physicists saying duh, this is obviously the correct model. And that's because it has either inherent non-locality which means that all of these different pieces of the wave have to be informed of all the other pieces of the wave instantly or there needs to be some local hidden variable we can't grasp

41:23 We're obviously starting with the same solution with all these other solutions to say no, the waves entangled with itself either through these micro wormholes or regular quantum entanglement. But the important part is that the quantum wave function can be the entire cosmos it's not just your single little double slit experiment and so thats a lot I think for people to swallow because right off the bat you're saying you have one quantum wave function which everything is entangled And everything is an instantaneous feedback with itself. So that's like mainstream physics right there and it's kind of crazy. Yeah, it is I mean, I'm not a big Neil deGrasse Tyson fan but one thing you said that I liked is that the universe is under no obligation to make sense to you? Yeah. I was like yeah kudos to you Neil! But um

42:12 But you know, another thing I wanted to ask you about. I think a lot of people here are familiar with the flower of life and sacred geometry but a lot of these patterns are what we see in crop circles and the thought has always been that someone or something is trying to give us clues as how reality is really structured and within the holofractal framework even that seems to make sense don't ya think? Yeah, especially the flower of life. So the flower of life I'm sure all your listeners know found all over the ancient cultures but when Desim was doing his equations for the proton he found that these Planck spherical photonic black holes were actually packed in this tetrahedral configuration which is the flower of life so that empty space and matter is made up of these overlapping spherical flowers like patterns

43:00 basically interference pattern. And yet, you do see a lot of crop circles that either represent this tetrahedral packing geometry with geometries such as the vector equilibrium and also see a ton of crop circles that are flower-of-life seed-of-life To me, it does make sense that crop circles actually makes sense to me as a communication modality for a bunch of reasons. But mostly because it's non-threatening, not invasive and more than that, it's not invasive to people who don't want to even think about the universe not being materialistic. They can go on with their day-to-day lives without thinking a single thought about this quantum ether acacia field

43:43 And they could just go about minding their business because they can write it off in their heads to something man-made. But yeah, when you look into these crop circles there's some very astonishing things like them encoding the ancient alchemical squaring a circle and then the fact that they can be remade with a square compass. So yeah it's definitely a very cool aspect that they encode some of the geometries that are coming out of unified physics. It's like a call to initiation. You can take it or not. Exactly! it often seems to be these orbs of light that make these patterns we've also heard a lot of new age stuff about the white body and i guess if this field is basically photons you're able to move through it, you might appear as an orb of light yeah. Yeah i wonder if its possible to do things remotely like if u have the right

44:38 Tech to be able to probe into the holographic field and just throw an electromagnetic spinner pattern into the field that it's a right location i have no idea but that's the possibility of not local cosmos. Yeah i mean is the thing that kinda gets me as thinking at universal scale that this fabric goes through literally everything and then you think well to be able to tap into that i mean, You would think that we'd be seeing stuff constantly from the vast outreaches of the cosmos where civilizations who have reached this level of development are just popping in left and right like on a daily basis in an undeniable scale because, The universe is supposedly so vast but yet it only happens very rarely. And maybe its just like why pay attention to earth when there's so many more interesting places out there?

45:28 Right yeah i think i sort of follow the what's it called in star trek the prime directive kind of thing, i think i hear a little bit to that where if they are out there trying to let us know come to our own non invasive prods maybe exciting here or there or crop circle with some cool mathematical knowledge here and there but not to infringe upon our free will. I'm also a fan of law one who goes into this kind of stuff a lot. But yeah, it does seem very empty for being completely entangled but you know if you do a psychedelic right psychedelics You know that goes right out the window and like oh there they are. Hello cheers to that Yeah i've been in that

46:09 etheric soup just talking to entities, disembodied things. I don't know. Yeah who knows? Archetypes or disembodied entities maybe just ideas but yeah But it does seem just a bit vulnerable if it were to fall into the wrong hands you know like the CIA's or the Freemasons or something. Yeah definitely Definitely man It's interesting to think about that there is like Cosmic battles happening. You're like, you know... It also makes me think about the CE5 contact protocol I don't know if you're too familiar with that but it always seemed a bit cheesy to me these people claim to go out in the desert and summon orbs of light with meditation and chanting But within this framework it seems like maybe you glow on the other side when you start trying to call that kind of stuff And like a spotlight things just start to come

47:05 Yeah, I think that concept of like resonance is fundamental to grasping that kind of stuff. That things will attract like things and things will start to entrain... Like if you put two pendulums on a moving table they'll start to be in synchronized swings because they're entrained with each other and I think that same concept definitely can be applied to things like what we were talking about before with the imagination and getting ideas all just morphic resonance through the morphic field And this is also complex and we're gonna get into the end of my line a questioning i'm with you that any true psychedelic experience is gonna leave one wanting me when your name for some other model, add this does a great job of filling in those gaps especially when u hear no sim talk about the math and how he just took these things that existed in one area moved to the south area is like look here now it all works.

48:03 I guess i would ask are there any holes in the presentation today that we should fill and any gaps that we left or do you think we made pretty complete case. I think we need a pretty complete case i would like to i mean i guess the proton solution within itself Expanding on that a little bit i'm not sure if it makes sense to talk about now but the derivation is super simple so maybe i can go over that really quickly yeah let's throw in okay so we have these planks vehicle black holes are at that make up empty space. we know that there's Planck density of vacuum. And so Nassim took this and he tried to apply it to the proton by just dividing a proton, by these Planck spherical oscillations. When you do that... You know how big the proton is? And you know how big these Planck spherical units are? So you can divide the proton volume by Planck spherical volume and multiply it by the Planck mass

48:56 And when you do that, you yield the mass of the observable universe at 10 to 55 grams. So this is the holographical gravitational mass or this is what... This is the holographic recapitulation of the hole inside the proton volume and to yield the protons rest mass because obviously not all these masses expressed locally it's very simple You count the amount that are on the surface and you count the amount in the volume so there's about ten to forty of these Planck units that fit on the surface and ten to sixty that fits into the volume You divide one into the other and multiply by the Planck mass, and then you yield the rest mass of a standard proton which is something like 10 to the negative 24 grams.

49:34 And this is the holographic principle, which states that the surface of a black hole can encode the volume. So this leads to the hypothesis that all of the proton surfaces are entangled with each other through these Planck spherical units on the surface which are wormholes and that acts like a buffer only letting in a little bit amount of mass energy through and that's basically the holographic solution in a nutshell so... Hmm I like it! I hear the same use the term vacuum a lot and you know we here spaces of vacuum and a lot of the alternative community just dismisses that doesn't like that terminology but back him, really is not different from vortex it's like what vacuum to where again with that bathtub drain analogy there something on the other side of that vortex and thats this consciousness round that's entangled. With everything at the atomic level i mean i think its

50:29 Interesting i mean it's just a different way to look at it and vacuum is considered to be nothingness but its not nothing that's just. A vortex to this source field Yeah, exactly. What's cool is that the particles are what seem to be the vacuum and the empty space seems to be this, the plenum so it's kind of like an inversion of what we think that particles are more dense but really they're less dense than empty space and that's what gravity is. Gravity is this more dense space floating into this less dense singularity vacuum consciousness tunnel or whatever you want to call it. Man! It is deep stuff!

51:09 It is. And of course, this is just a 101 understanding for my simple stoner mind but again man thank you so much for doing this I will be keeping tabs on the subreddit for sure and as there anything else to tell the people about follow up any good material out there you recommend as further 101 study? Well, the Resonance Academy is a great place to check it out if like the subreddit isn't enough for you and you're really trying to learn. I don't work for them at all. I just went through the course and it was awesome so that's definitely another place besides the subreddit to get good info. Awesome! But yeah thanks for having me on man this is awesome Yeah man well keep doing what you do and take care out there Yeah you too Good talking to ya You as well

51:55 And boom goes the dynamite, dear listeners. Big thanks to HoloFractal Joe! A good guy just trying to bring ideas to the masses Something I definitely can vibe with and I do recommend that people check out a presentation or two by Nassim himself I'll include some stuff in the show notes But I have fired off a few unanswered emails Nassim's way-I get it, I mean The man is busy and the opportunity came up to have joe on to talk about it i thought hey that seems like a good substitute building a twenty thousand person subreddit from nothing,

52:36 And really I'm just still jazzed up on a lot of the themes from the recent show with Shimon Jiner and i wanted to explore those kind of areas a bit more. And even asked him engineer what he thought of this overall theory because it seems like something you would be into, And he basically said broadly speaking they're mostly in agreement. Both theories have holographic projection of reality from higher dimensional space and interconnectedness of all matter at a fundamentally conscious level, obviously just to get in sync on those things is huge but in the details Shemangineer leans more towards etheric flow than etheric curvature

53:19 And instead of a unifying black hole singularity at the center of every atom, he would lean more towards those being like torsion waves or organ or chi or longitudinal waves. Knotted longitudinal waves I think is exactly the term to be used And you know the details are kind of too complex for me to really make a judgment on, but I do love the Indra's Net analogy. I do like the openness-to-the-hollow earth idea and this model that photons light particles are the conscious intelligence that we're always talking about

54:01 I mean God and light have always been terms that get used together, but going through this holofractal material kind of just drove it home for me. Now people are gonna think that i have a secret agenda to lead you all into a sun worshiping cult but hey! You knew how was gonna reveal myself eventually... But really tie this into all the research about the benefits of sunlight and infrared or near-infrared spectrum, healing. I mean there's a lot of stuff going on in that regard A lot of people think most diseases are related to light deficiency vitamin D deficiency so praise Ra you know? But i hope you found something to like in this it is a little challenging interview someone about someone else's material plus subreddits can be big things

54:54 You can't be expected to know about every post there, but I did try to get into some off-script stuff that had popped up on the subreddit once we got through all that dense science. Some hits some misses but i found the overall value to just be presenting you with another model that gets closer to Ether physics than the mainstream model In higher side news, I should say that there was going to be a joint session today on the 25th but something has come up for me and i am just getting over a bit of sickness so i want to move it to Monday the 28th. So anyone who listens to this over the weekend might decide hey it's monday night let's smoke a little smoke drink a little drink and get a little bit weird with the host of THC live on youtube slash zoom

55:49 So I do look forward to it. They have all been really fun so far other than that of course if you are just listening to the free public version of THC still commercial-free and action packed, You're welcome! I do urge you to sign up for the Hireside Chats Plus. You get access to the full archive...so many interviews You get the music and the forum, and several other bonuses. Please treat yourself to twice as much THC And treat me to a little green in the tip jar if you like how this wild ride is going

56:25 In today's show me and joe got into some films that make for good representations of hollow fractal concepts. We talked about jose trip inside the great pyramid with the resonance science foundation what an opportunity, the importance of breathwork, Wim Hof and increasing your godhead density. Hidden hyperspace kingdoms remember when Tracy Twyman talked about that maybe they're accessing this ethereal blanket we also talked about fun stuff like Nassim's take on the Ark of the Covenant anti-gravitic crafts the importance of the number 64 and the breatharian stuff

57:07 Is it possible to live off the energy of the Source field and not eat or drink for years? People are saying they're doing it, and The Sim has been one of them. That said I am psyched about some of these upcoming shows that I have on schedule but always hesitate to say anything until its actually recorded so im just gonna leave it at that. The Holofractal Model in a nutshell Do check out the HoloFractal subreddit and say hello to Joe. I'm getting outta here, I've done my part Your move HoloFractal haters, ether deniers and tyrants of the scientific quarantine... your fucking move You know the plan has always been to hack your brain MKUltra's trying to drive you insane They'll explode your heart if they think that's what it takes

58:03 You think I'm answering the phone, well I ain't. You gotta keep the curtains drawn cause you don't want anyone thinking your at home Well your not! You should tape the mail slot And baby if i seem withdrawn let me say it's cause I just dont wanna go and get whacked Maybe you should know that The trauma affects you like it does everyone It's just a game plan, it's what the world's become They want a pat down and a swap Don't you see what's going on? Well now you know You're better keeping on your own Cause' you can see The masters lie too much Oh baby, you can only trust yourself

58:55 And if you think the system's out of touch It is and you can only trust yourself I hope you know the elite aren't your friends They'll suck out everything from you in the end If for some reason, you think I might be wrong I wonder where you got that opinion from You gotta keep the curtains drawn Cause you don't want anyone thinking you're at home Well, you're not. You should tape the mail slot And baby if I seem withdrawn Let me say it's cause I just Don't wanna go and get whacked Maybe you should know that The trauma affects you like it does everyone It's just a game plan, it's what the world's become

59:53 They want a pat down and a swap Don't you see what's going on? Well now you know You're better keeping on your own Cause' you can see Basterds lie too much Oh baby, you can only trust yourself And if you think the system's out of touch It is and you can only trust yourself Da da da da You might think that these problems are small Maybe they aren't registering at all Now they know you're naive and vulnerable

1:00:55 You won't believe all of the stunts that they'll pull Cause you can see, the masters lie too much Oh baby you can only trust yourself And if you think The system's out of touch It isn't. You can only trust yourself Cause you can see Oh baby you can only trust yourself And if you think the system's out of touch It is and you can only trust yourself