Jim Chesnar | The Bock Saga, Hell & Earths Origins

00:05 This puppet master's almost surely have a f***. There's clearly maybe something ebbing, and until you've thoroughly tested every last close chest, I think you know the less you really do! That's true Dr. Seuss. Edward without THC? Cause we know they're lying to us just don't look without THC The higher side chat show How's it going, Irish Sideshatters? Drinking a little drink. Smoking a little smoke and ready to dive straight into the deep end of the weird pool from sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood and it has been quite awhile since I pre-introduced this show but this one is pretty unique and might help say a few things up top today we're talking about a little something called The Bach Saga

01:02 And brace yourselves, I think the best description of it is a dense body of esoteric knowledge passed down very carefully in a very methodical oral tradition through one prominent family whose lineage has come to an end so they're opening up the floodgates and hopes that knowledge contained within will live on. That's pretty much it in a nutshell and here on THC we've spent a lot of time on the realization that the shadowy elite have put great effort into wiping out pagans, Gnostics indigenous people and anyone else they found along the way destroying their culture libraries and writings and promptly converting them to a proper God and educating them on the quote-unquote official story

01:44 So knowledge of this type that survives always gets me excited. In this case, the Bach saga contains an elaborate mythology that describes how our reality was formed and where we came from It contains a history radically different from what we hear in the mainstream And most interestingly it contains a very detailed description Of the origins of the Swedish and Finnish and ultimately English languages, an etymology describing the development of letters sounds words and language that's far different from what the mainstream says but it's still very internally consistent. It really impresses me and it touches on so many things I find interesting, including the Hollow Earth always near and dear to my heart. Consider this one of the missing puzzle pieces you just found under the couch in this saga is going to be relayed by one of a few people qualified, one of the few people who studied it inside out and can speak on it very methodically and accurately

02:40 His name is Jim Chesner. He's a fascinating guy who's out there walking a simple path consistent with a Gnostic lifestyle he takes very seriously, and I respect the man for being so genuine in this day and age But as a podcast producer it's a bit frustrating because he's not being patched in from some Silicon Valley studio apartment talking to me on a 4k webcam with a Google Fiber connection No He's holding an old laptop over a shoddy Wi-Fi router in an open air location complete with roosters, dogs and a few other background distractions. But be that as it may I think it adds a little ambiance to this situation This is really the only way a story like this gets told And I personally think there's more than enough here to mull over So let's do the damn thing guys Park your ass and pack your glass because The Box Saga and Jim Chesnar are coming at you

03:32 Hack it and park it, tune in and spark it Cause Greg's about to open up your mind Armed with information about the secret manipulation And the wisest officianados he can find He's pulling back the curtain on what we thought We knew for certain so that we could see the world With a brand new set of eyes You're listening to The Higher Side Alright people, we know the nefarious puppet masters of the power pyramid work hard to control our thoughts and feelings about nearly everything. They've rewritten history to suit their needs for control and have stripped out any real insight or enlightenment from it because knowledge is power...and power ain't for us!

04:19 But not all hope is lost, because many of us have come to realize that the occulted knowledge passed down through various secret societies and esoteric orders as well as the oral traditions of enlightened people are the real places we should be looking if we want to piece the human story back together. Well today we're going to take an in-depth look at one such oral tradition called the Bach Saga which has been passed down through the ages among the Bach family and in 1984, the last remaining member E.R. Bach hoping to preserve the knowledge started sharing The Secret Story of Humanity among his closest friends And lucky for us, we have just such a friend with us today. His name is Jim Chesner and Jim is an elder leader of the Order of the Gnostics and has taken up the task of sharing The Bach Saga with the world since the passing of his friend Eeyore in 2010. We've been able to catch him just days before setting off for Finland to shoot the third film in a series about the saga and I couldn't be more psyched! Jim welcome to The Higher Side. Thank you Greg it sounds really good what an introduction there. I try man

05:18 So, just as a primer I pulled this off the website. It says, The saga explains the origins of man on earth and the origins of the Nordic culture that according to tradition existed long before Babylon and Mesopotamia." That's what we're talking about! A body of knowledge older than the origin cultures that were told about and has been hidden away for various reasons so Jim, I know that this body of knowledge is very old and very dense. And it's best to kind of lay it out methodically so we don't confuse the listeners just give us a little more context for where the story comes from and why it's important before we really get into the material itself? I would just have to start with this whole story It comes from the Sun We put everything through the sun There was one family in Finland

06:06 that according to this story, into this saga they're the oldest family on the planet. And his family was called Bokk and in this family they passed down one oral history of humanity today we give history from the front where we are now we go 50 years back we go 200 years who we were 500 and by the time we get to two or three thousand we're kind of guessing what what we were in those days Whereas in this story, we start from the beginning. From the beginning of the human and we come to now so when you read a book, you don't read it from the back to the front. You read it from the front to the back. So this history begins at the beginning and is a creation story. It's a mythology called the Vajnamana Mythology. It's a history. It's a saga called The Bach Saga and its based on what we call root alphabet

07:10 one beginning alphabet. They say that in the beginning there was the word, but the words are made of sounds so the sounds are before the words and this story is based on one root alphabet which is 29 sounds each sound has a mark for the sound and meaning for the sound In this saga it gives one story It's based around sun moon stars and planets And these people, they were called Aasar people. The sound a is as, Asaar and they had a true logic... That's my rooster going. And they had a true logic called astrology or what we call astrology. And this us is the Oz people. True means to believe and logi means logic so their belief in logic, the Osners

08:12 So, in this logic they said that there's only one sun. They say there is only one moon and they say there is only one planet and their countless countless stars. They say that this universe has always been here it didn't just come one day and nobody made the universe. And uni means 1, uni-verse solo solo sun soul It means one And mono means one moon. So we say that there's one sun, and today we want to call the Sun a medium yellow dwarf star it's going to burn out in 7 trillion 464 thousand 12 hundred 11 years somebody said on some kind of computer but our story we say is the Sun has always been and the Sun will always be in the Sun is not a star

09:18 And what makes a sun different than anything else is because the sun shines its straw, its light rays in every direction all through the universe through the vacuum. All these rays are shining and every direction constantly. The Sun doesn't go on and off even from the backside of the Sun it's shining rays backwards So the sun is shining everywhere in the universe, this sunshine. And when these strollers, this astrology, these strollers of light as they travel through the vacuum... They come to these things that we call stars and these stars are made from three materials. They're made from ice metal and gas

10:10 And when these straws of light leave from the sun and they go out three light years, 60 light years a hundred light years because these light rays in the vacuum. These light rays are the Sun can go forever before this star that we see out there is some can shine past that star so as he's like raise you're leaving from the sign they come to one time we call one star and when it hits this ball of gas, metal or ice. The light cannot go through the ball so it hits the ball and reflects a light back to us here on the planet So we're saying that there are not thousands and millions of suns out there There's not extra universes out there There is one universe And all the stars are reflections of one sun If the Sun didn't shine, then star wouldn't shine The moon would shine

11:11 because the moon is a reflection of the sun, and this planet Earth would be completely black frozen. No life no soul nothing going on in the planet so the way that people thought a long time ago was the Sun was to creator it creates alive it keeps everything growing and then the end burns away so they knew can come so in logic these are people there was only one son The Moon is different than the Sun and anything else because we only see one side of the Moon. And the moon, we call Ra not the Sun. Ra has to do with what we call gravity. They call Gra-gravity. This planet is a special creation if you think that the sun is what's creating the light in the universe and we called this sun Udin

12:16 And the sun is now creating all the life on this planet. If the sun didn't shine, there would be no life. There'd be no light. There'd be no soul. There would be no consciousness. So everything that we think every word that we speak every thought when we think Everything that we smell all that we see around us is created from Sun from soul you see mm-hmm okay I just keep going on? Well, I mean, I know you could probably just keep going forever and it is so dense. But I know that a big part of this story revolves around a hole at the top of the earth which definitely gets my ears to perk up. Can you walk us through that part of the story or how that incorporates into this wealth of information? Yes, I'm heading in that direction right now. Sure

13:12 So this story in what we call this root language, the sound et means one. Et-wo-tre and the sound plan mean a plan so it says in the word planet that there's only one plant. In our story Mars and Venus and Saturn these are not planets these are stars It says that a planet must have plants And this is the only ball that has plants And so it says that the sun had one plan, to create one incredible thing that it had never created before. There were millions of stars there was a moon already in its place but the sun decided one day that it would make one planet, one ball that have life on it, that has water and soul

14:12 something that's nowhere else in the universe. There is no other places like this, nowhere. It's a vacuum out there and the farther away can you get from the sun, the colder it gets. So this Sun created one egg. This egg left from the Sun and this egg had what we call one ball of magma – what we call magma in English they call it magma – put off this ball of magma and around this ball of magma was one sack of water. And around the sack of water, there's one shell called atmosphere and we were floating to the universe like a little sun like an egg, the yolk or water around the yoke in the shell of atmosphere. This ball got exactly the perfect distance from the Sun

15:12 Not because the next ball in is too hot for life and the next ball out is too cold for life. So when this planet got to the exact distance from the Sun, this magma exploded and it just went boom! And when it exploded, it blew all of the continents exactly where they are today. We weren't all sitting on one side of this planet, it blew Australia down to where Australia is, it blew Antarctica down to the bottom, it blew South America where it is Europe China... This whole explosion as magma as it blew these continents they all came out in the form of granite and in the very same second of this explosion

16:01 This water bubble around this hot ball of magma, it exploded. It popped and it rushed in and filled into spaces between the hot rocks so this planet was created in one flash not seven days and at the very beginning of this planet the very first sound was the wind And as this planet was still in a very hot, molding kind of form as its water rushed in and started to make the rivers, started to make the oceans, the lakes. As it rushed in and filled those spaces between these continents there was one hot air bubble that came from the center of the planet, one gas ball that rose to the very top of the Earth

16:55 And in these days, the Earth wasn't sitting on its side like it is today. This side... In these days the planet was sitting straight up and down The axel of the pole was spinning in harmony with the Moon It wasn't tilted over this story tells about the tilt and as this hot ball of gas rose to the very north pole at the very top of the Earth it created one huge cavern 250 kilometers across, and it created one cavern a hole in the very north pole. And as this gas made this dome part of this gas went up even more and made one tunnel and from the top of the tunnel the very last little part of this hot gas made one little small round room

17:52 It's shaped like a Santa Claus hat, if you can think. It is a round hat with this part that falls over and a little round ball on the top and this hole is still there today. This is what we would call in this story The Underworld There is one entranceway, one temple 30 kilometers east of Helsinki We worked for years to get inside it. It's one ancient temple from before Ice Time And there is one tunnel that will go down inside this hollow earth at the top of the North Pole. A long time ago, the axel on the planet was sitting straight up and down and in this saga it says if you went to the top of the true North Pole not the north pole up on top but if you follow the axis of a globe If you go to the actual true North Pole It comes from one island

18:52 three kilometers in front of Helsinki, Finland. And in some of my videos I explain about this. But yes, there is this hollow earth thing it's a conscious thing it's an incredible thing what's inside this thing people did they did use this but that's another story if we want to go into what's inside us and we can do that also. Yes, I definitely want to get into what's inside but it's also interesting to note that in the saga The hole on top of Earth is referred as the original Holy Land right? Yes, yes. On this island, this actual of the planet we have many names for it. We can call it one lance, a lance is one pole and the earth has one ball so you have one lance in the middle of the ball that's where the word balance we say balanced so you don't get the association of ball with bow but ball and root language is ball and Lance is a pole

19:52 So this planet has one lance in the middle of it, and that is the balance. So a long time ago, the pole was sitting straight up and down, and we were in balance. The pole tilted over 23 degrees, and we fell out of balance. But if you go to the very top of this lancer, or we can call it one axle, we can call it one axis But we also call it one a pole, North Pole South Pole. But we also in the story call it one E and E is what an English we call I. It's a pole with a dot like Hawaii and he is 1 poll and a little dot above the e is the north star. And so at the top

20:41 of the E of the planet on this island in the granite, still there today. There is one hole from the beginning of the human race. There is one hole in the granite at the very top of the E or the axle of the planet and this is where the word holy comes from The hole in the top of the E. Also, every man if he looks at the end of his E where that little dot comes out He has one hole in the end of his E so every man can be one holy man and straight above this island If you go straight up into sky You'll come to what we call it the North Star or Polaris

21:25 So we say that the true North Pole is on one island. You can take one ferry boat in one of my videos, Welcome to Hell I explain about this hole and what it was and what part it had essentially first humans on the planet were born in its old. Yeah, man. I love that video all the ones i've seen they just add more and more to the story and as you get deeper and deeper You kind of get more of it? You understand more of it a big part of it is like you just said the movie welcome to hell Hell, of course now we think of it as a negative place Thanks to the vatican but I guess hell wasn't always demonized in the way that the catholics decided to demonize it right

22:08 I think if you look in the dictionary, there's more than 60 words that begin with hell. Number one is not spelled with two Ls it's spelled with one L and you know you have Helen and you have Hellas which is Greece and you have Helvetia which is Switzerland and we add the word health and hello so hell... There's only 1 out of 60 some odd words that has a negative The only people who speak negative of hell is the Catholics and the Muslims. They're the only ones who have one, it's one place that you go if you don't do what they say, but hell was a real place but the thing about is hell has been such a fear factor so many generations all our foremothers, forefathers' people all the aborigines, all the indigenous people we don't do what we say when we go to hell

23:02 If you say the word hell, people their ears they twitch because it's so negative. We've been taught that hell is this burning place of fire but it's not at all. Hell was actually a center of what we call one pagan dome there was a whole dome of pagan all these Celts all these Druids, the Vikings. The whole planet was pagan at one time – the Red Indians, the Aborigines and even us from Northern Europe we were pagan and they had one center from the beginning of time that was called Hell and in Swedish language the word for the holy is called Hell League

23:50 the whole E ground. G means the ground, so in this story we say that the land around the hole in the top of the E is the Holy Land and if you go from this hole to North Pole and make one radius 125 kilometers It goes down to Estonia and you turn this around, you have one ring land. It's the very top of the planet with this island in the middle of the ring land with his hole in the middle of this island and this was what we call The Holy Land that was a land around The Holy. Later on it became Israel but Israel is not the true holy land because there's no hole in the top of either. All right that was like a bait-and-switch to throw people off the scent yeah so just ringland

24:40 They call it Asgard. They call it Udenmaa, and Uden was the sun. They called it Midgard. It was the garden in the middle. The mid means middle and gardens mean garden. The land... the land in the middle. It is also called As-Hell, and from As-Hell they make Hellas the Greek is Helos, Osel. It had many names but Hell was the name for this ring land, this real true holy land and this hell was from ancient times but in 1050 this church is making two arms that are coming up I just want to finish this little hell story about it for just a minute and from one side from the greek orthodox from Constantinople there come one army called Greek Orthodox

25:39 with this crucifix. And from the other side, there was another race of people that had divided and they were called the Roman. And from the Roman Catholics, these armies coming up and as they come into your land your pagan king can no longer be pagan because he cannot be the King cause Jesus is the King you have to get a king except it's getting converted. So all these stories about these horrible kings we've had, they're all from church time so as pagans are seeing these people coming up this army's coming up by 500 they're in England 600 there in Saxon land and what they do is they come in and they get all your elders together they have these priests that are trained

26:30 and Latin, and Greek Orthodox. And nobody can read this except for the Pope and the priest is so you can't intercept these notes. And these priests are coming up and they're sending these letters back to the pope to tell them exactly who the elders who the shamans who the people have a knowledge. So they just send these people up and they just They wipe them out. And when you wipe out the knowledge of the tribes, when you knock out people with the knowledge then they have to come to church and listen what the Pope said. So this Church had already written in a book that hell was the worst place in the world because hell is this ancient pagan information system and

27:15 By 987, they had got to the Russia from the Greek Orthodox side and from 1008 they got to the Swedish side. And now this little country in between Finland with this place called hell, they had to destroy hell because it already written that it was the worst place and only horrible people go through it. They were putting in as new Christians. So on 24th of July in a year 1050 This Pope Leo IX, one Saxon pope. He sends 30 000 army men mercenaries from Helvetia which is Switzerland today and this army comes up to Sweden they come into Sweden they take the Swedish king and a bishop and they go to one island called Åland and they kill everybody And then they go to hell in southern Finland

28:13 And they make a ring around this 250 kilometer radius land, around the Holy Land. They make a ring around the Holy Land these 30 000 paid murderers and they come and kill everybody in hell and burn hell. We had family trees we call oak trees. They burned all of our family trees and left hell and destruction completely destroyed but this family who have this story escaped and went up into the north And for 500 years, hell laid in complete ruin. And then 1550 exactly 500 years later this family they started to rebuild hell they came back into South Finland but this time they renamed it and didn't call it hell anymore they called it Helsinki

29:02 So Helsinki is the new name for the word we call hell from before. And that's a little story about hell, it's a real place but it's no place where bad souls go to. It's talked about in Norse mythology as they talk about hell and yeah, hell has a feminine story I love that story. I love hearing about the corruption and the way that knowledge has been wiped off the planet, I mean i definitely think there's something to the idea that the Vatican and Roman Catholic Church has done so much to destroy any real knowledge and you know a lot of people talk about that but it fits centrally in this story so...I love that aspect

29:48 We've lost our history. This story says that the human race has been here millions of years, you know for years and years I mean i know your friend with some of these other people like Graham I tried to get this story to him for years you know and also the beautiful Russian lady Sylvia and Michael Kramer there's several people who say hey we've been here longer than just 50 000 years And this story says we've been here more than a hundred million years. But this temple that we'll talk about in a minute is from the paradise time, but from before the time that the axle tilted when the whole planet was tropical. But you know it's like both saying there was some kind of an ancient civilization

30:28 there's some kind of reason why we find pyramids down in Chichen Itza, and why we find pyramids in Egypt and why we found them in Bosnia. And while we find them in China or while we find them in India you know where did the idea of the pyramid provided all these different cultures that there must have been some kind of a ancient culture that gave this information to all these different cultures how to do this because they're all doing it. It didn't just pop up one day and have a list side that we'll make a pyramid, you know? And there's a whole mathematics, that's a whole nother story but... You know its... A lot of people have done a lot of research and they've done really really well and they're really looking deep and its really a lot of people who want to know what we really are and where we really came from and who we really are

31:19 And they have a lot of pieces, but they don't know how to put it all together in the ring. I feel that this saga would let these people realize that all their thoughts and all their time of thinking like this, and taking shit from everybody. All these institutions, academic people being shunned because you said it was 35 thousand and it can't be 30 thousand? It can only be 10 thousand because Graham...all they talk about is you can't bring anything out like this because you can't be a professor anymore so Yeah, it's horrible. We've been here a long time I don't know...I mean the answer to like the first question from me in my life was you know who is making up this movie? Where is this where is his life? Where do I come from? Where did he come from? Who made this telephone? And then when he told me that the son

32:16 Everything we see, these computers we're looking into or talking through the floor was standing on every cell. Every cell in our body is made of sun and that made like wow really makes sense if the sun doesn't shine there's no soul it's like our souls come from solar A long time ago, people looked up to the sun and built a Sun Temple because they felt like the sun is consciousness. If the sun doesn't shine there is no consciousness so it's making everything we see. People realized this and they looked up and built the Sun Temple

32:56 They felt like the sun was looking down and smiling, saying hey look the people built a Sun Temple for me. So it's not like some UFO reason they built this thing so people only up atop these thoughts of the sun was looking then then they also said the moon had conscious as the moon was looking down the man in the moon is called rock And so they felt that when they built a moon temple for the moon, that the moon was looking down and smiling. They didn't think about some god who's sitting out there on this star that was looking down. They just realized it's the sun and the moon making our gravity or our water system everything is made by the sun and the moon. So they worshiped at the Sun and Moon but they did have gods and goddesses

33:40 But gods and goddesses come later, the sun and the moon before the concept of gods and goddesses. I've heard you tell the story a couple different times in a couple different ways and it did really resonate with me this idea that we think of the earth as our mother, and you could think of the sun as the father. And the sun's rays penetrate the Mother Earth and thus everything else is born out of the Mother Earth. I think that really is simplistic and easy to understand cosmology of how this all came to be Yeah, I mean in the story it says that the moon is male and female. The front side of the moon is called Ra and the dark side of the moon is called Marr and Marr is the female side. It doesn't mean negative, it just means the mystical side we don't know what's going on at the back of the Moon

34:37 And the light side of the moon is called Raas. So, the Raa is represented by the king and queen and it's... The moon is male and female. The Earth is only female. There's no masculine that represents the Earth. It's the mother earth and it's made from magma and it's spelled M-A-G-M-A. And this G in the middle, like I said in the sound system, the sounds have meanings so that sound G or gay means to groom or the ground. So you have M-A and then you have gay. You pull the gay down, you pull the groom down and if you look on top of your momma

35:25 M-A, gay. The ground is our mama and it's made from magma so the word mama comes from this red stuff that is in the center of our planet and the Sun actually is represented by male and female It has a form around anything round as female anything like a pole is masculine So that the sun its one disc up there And it's represented And our story is the God and the Goddess. In mythology, we have God and goddess this is a mythology this is not a religion that I'm speaking about. Mythology is much much older than religion there's only really three religions on the planet and that's the Hebrew, Christian, Muslim and they believe in one god who sits up there in space somewhere

36:20 Whereas mythologies, we have gods and goddesses. We have a whole pantheon of gods and goddesses so the women they can go for the female deities and the men we can go to the man deity So if email is 50% of the mythology in religion sheets kind of cut out of this story right? Yeah, so this is a mythology and I So we do have people who represents the Sun. The ideal of God and Goddess would be, the Earth goddess is in this story she's called the Swan. She's the children maker and the Moon god and goddess is called Ra and Maya And the Sun god and goddess he's called Gubei and she's called Gumaa Finnish language she's called Akka He's called Uppo

37:12 And in English, he's called Pear and we're called...and she is called Ella. And pear means father for us like we are all sons and daughters of Pear. We're Pearsons, her sons, Pearson. So, Pear is our father where he's our parent. We come from his sperm. So then this sound system I'm not going to go so much into how this linguistics works today but yeah the idea that the sun is the creator And this whole planet was full of nature, butterflies and fish and lizards and everything. It was created for us the human being there's no other planet anywhere else in the solar system This is the only one that has plants on it it's a plan and his son created this planet for us to people

38:05 It was the most precious gift it had ever given anything. There's no life anywhere in the universe I know this blows all the UFO people, but anyway This says that there is yeah There's nobody else out there did this Sun created his planet full of nature full of beauty and then one day it Created a human being and we have a story about how the human being was created We could go into that or whatever you know that but anyway This planet is for us, you know this and what makes us the people different than the nature's that the sun gave to us four different things. They gave us linguistics we can speak.

38:49 The squirrel, he can like okay but he can't really go into detail about look at the tree with the green leaf and look at the vein in a leaf. And look at the brown edge on the leaf and look at serrated leaf so we can with the linguistics language we can describe this incredible nature around it which gives us a higher appreciation than then the animal out there. This son also gave us fire. The first woman was given fire through one lightning bolt because the fire was something that the human beings could use. The women before, they would take one stone and hollow out this stone. They would fill it full of water to build one fire under it and then they put these leaves from the tree and from the bush in this hot water, this bubbling water with some energy out from the leaf

39:44 They call it Te-Yin, but we call it In-Er-Gi or Ener-Ji. And these women and these people were drinking this tea with the fire we could extract it so the fire was given to us from the very beginning It was called Hell Tea We're a very healthy people healthy people hell tea because we were drinking tea from hell They were burning 40 000 women a year in middle Europe for drinking tea witches they call them Anyway, the fire, their linguistics. The third thing that we got was mathematics what they call ma-teh-ma-ti and Ma-Teh-Ma is female so the mathematics it's not Pa-Teh-Pa it's Ma-Teh-Ma. Mathematics was given to the female and mathematics is just a ring It's a circle. It's a pole as a center point

40:44 If you make a center point in the dirt and you draw a ring around that center point, and put a pole in the middle. The Sun would make this shadow Q. And Q is quadrat, it's a sundial. So all mathematics are computers everything is based around a ring, a pole and a center point or dot. So mathematics was given to the first people They had it from the very beginning, but it was more of a female thing. And the fourth thing that the sun gave to people that he didn't give through nature was walking stick because in nature when the bird can't fly and the animal cannot walk and fish cannot swim anymore, it falls on the ground is finished you can go anymore but human being one day when we find out we cannot walk anymore we get one walking sticks It's little bit gives us few more weeks or months getting around

41:45 Walking stick was a very valuable thing. Today we have hospitals, so we don't need walking sticks but before when you couldn't walk with your stick it was time to go away in these days but it gave us a little bit extra like I said when uh... We can still go a few more weeks or months So yeah these are like gifts but this planet is made for the people Today we treat it like we do and we think there's some other place to go. And, we do all what we do and there is nothing that we can do. We live in this normal world, this society but everything that we do today is toxic. The life of this saga people would not even think to hurt the Earth. The water was pure, air was pure, people cared I mean we really realize these days that Earth was a gift from the Sun and Moon

42:37 and that we really should take care for it. It was really the brains of the people in the ancient times." Right, our attitude now seems to be that we can just trash the planet... We've lost the connection to it and will just wait until they colonize Mars supposedly and get a new planet but we wouldn't have that mindset if we thought this more as our home than actually part of It's your kid's home. Yeah, absolutely we should care more but we've been shoehorned into a dirty wasteful system We don't get to choose our energy sources major companies do more damage than individuals ever really could But I did want to get back to the hole a bit more and this Excavation that you were a part of for some time going down into the inner chamber You sent me a picture of you at the entrance of this cave-like hole very cool but I pulled this little paragraph

43:27 off a website, I don't think it was yours but it gives a good description for people. It says while excavating on the other side of the door they found that the stone hallway continued into a sine wave signature for some distance and then turned into a right spin spiral corridor that went 10 to 15 miles into the earth Lining the hall were arched doorways on both sides. Behind the first door they found a life-size golden statue of the last Asser king and a room full of priceless artifacts, if one considers that the portion of the hallway that had been excavated to date is just the beginning of a large cave system and can be presumed that each successive chamber holds more relics in a statue of every Asser King going all the way back through the lineage to Frey

44:11 I mean, that's pretty amazing man. Can you give us some more information about this excavation and what this inner chamber might have been used for in the past? We haven't come to that golden door yet but anyway yeah i'll explain what's inside this thing. I sent you a picture yes great picture all right that entranceway there is the entrance through the underworld through this hollow earth These old times, we go back to the time when the planet was sitting straight up and down. And where hell or Helsinki is today was the very North Pole and a planet spinning around in harmony. We weren't tilted over at the very top of the planet if you stood on the top of the plan to sun never it never went down it made a golden ring around and around the top of the earth

45:08 So in the middle of this Midgard or hell, or the Garden of Uddin it was a 24-hour sun and these days the whole planet was tropical. The ice even the North Pole had bananas and papayas. The ice came when we tilted over and the story tells about that. And if people were living all over this planet more people than we have today and they were all in link they're are all in contact through one elaborate system to this North Pole, to these Asser people, to this Bach family. And the people on this planet they appreciated this king and queen there was a king and there was a queen of the whole ball in the beginning. This King and Queen had one system called Yehovah what we call Jehovah They call Ye-Hoo-Vah, Yehovah. The sound ye means to give. Yes, yes

46:10 And the sound HOOV or HOLE means the court of the castle, the court. The hole also it comes from the word HOOV which is that horseshoe which is shaped like a good luck, the hole, the hoove and to sound AH meant the AASER people so there was one giving system where people could give to the court of the AASER and this whole planet was divided into ring lands Billions of people living on this earth and they were all connected through one system of children making, one information system to this highest family. To this Bach family sitting at the North Pole in the middle of his ring land with a sun going around and around. This is called The Paradise Time. And Pa, Pa Radice, Pa is the Papa and Ra is his son, the king so it's a Para, the Paradise, The Paradise

47:12 And they had one system where in these days, there was gold all over the planet. It had no value because there was no money system as we have it today. It was just something that you could make beautiful handicraft. Gold belongs to the sun because gold never tarnishes. When you make something with gold, you don't have to keep polishing so it really reflects...it belongs to the sun and it's gold and it was everywhere And people were making beautiful and beautiful handicrafts. Stuff that we don't even know how to make today, it wasn't made for time people weren't working by the hour these people were creating something for the highest family on the planet it was out of complete love they were creating this beautiful handy. We call it aesthetics in root language they call it estetique and S is the sun ta means to take and teak means time like tick-tock tick-tock antiquity

48:09 So, esthetics or aesthetics is something that when it's made it should be forever because it's so beautiful. It's made out of gold and gold is forever and if somebody doesn't destroy it will last forever. And every 50 years was one heir of Ra and Ra was the king he made the race the Ras of humans. Era okay? Okay! So every era was about fifty years Because this king, he became King at 27 and about 77. He retired became the old king and the new king because every generation of his family was like that. And this king in this queen they had a system where they were sending them one most beautiful handicraft

49:00 from over 2000 ring lands. This planet was divided into over 2000 ring lands and a ring land was 250 kilometers, about 180 miles in diameter and they were shaped in this actually rings we call them ring lands but they were actually hexagons so it's like a football when you can put hexagon to make a ball out of. And when they say that the four corners are the world, the four corners of the world is where the 4 hemispheres meet and the four hemispheres of the Earth, they meet at the North Pole and the South Pole. So Hell is a place where the four corners of the Earth actually come together. It's the only place they all come together in this hole on top of the axle that is true for corners where they all meet. And every 50 years, they would send one of the most beautiful handicraft from each of these ring lands, they would send it up to Hell and was given

49:59 to the Aser, to the king and he would collect this stuff for 50 years. Now when he became the old King, a new King was coming, the New Rah, they started a new Yehovah system, a new giving to the court of the Aser and so they needed a place to store all these beautiful handicrafts that were made more than 100 million years ago. The story says that The paradise time is longer than the ice time. And it says that the ice came on this planet 50 million 10,000 and 32 years ago was when the axle tilted in the ice game there's another story for that so anyway 30 kilometers to the east of Helsinki there was this entrance way that went down to this huge opening to this hollow earth

50:57 And this entranceway went down underneath this hill that we call Q'fali Vori today. This is a granite hill, and this tunnel it went down and went into this empty 180 mile 250 kilometer radius massive empty spot in the North Pole. There they started to carve the wall away and they made like one pathway. So, they carved two or three of them on how many meters they carve a wall and then it left a path at the bottom and they started to create one spiral road that starts to go down and down around this huge empty opening that sits underneath Helsinki today. And they plated the walls in the path with gold

52:00 So when you went inside this hole in the top of the earth, you could take one candle and there's gold walls and gold path. It reflected like New York Saturday night. He only needed one candle. And they started to build these chambers for each generation from each heir of Rah, from each heir Rihud period, heir Ri means the father. They built three rooms, three chambers into this granite. And two of these rooms were store room where they could store these beautiful pieces of handicraft from this era of raw from this year holistic and they had one small room out front where it was called the showroom

53:04 all gold-plated floor, all gold plated walls. Everything is gold plated and this father of the planet he could go in there with one candle and he could go to one of these two store chambers pull out one of these pieces incredible beautiful art made of gold and put it into showroom And now with his candles he can examine the work that this craftsman had made These were things that they're like Fabergés of today. I mean, these people are... That's all they had to do. They didn't have jobs like we did it. They just had to sit around and make beautiful things. And so each one of these generations of this Bach family made one solid gold statue of the All-Father at that time and there he is with a solid gold statue and he's standing there with a big erection

54:05 and it will show what that first All-Father looked like. In the next three chambers, as you go down this golden spiral road is three more chambers and that's his 12th son another golden statue another Yehovah system sitting in three chambers You go a little farther there's the third generation That's what the Bach or the All Father looked like And these chambers and chambers in this Golden Spiral goes thousands of kilometers millions of generations of this Bach family. Wow! And this is what's in the underworld, this is the storehouse for this story, for his story because the men kept a history and women made the future and this is his story. They closed this temple up, they sealed it up in the year 987 because Roman Catholics were coming to Europe

55:06 The Greek Orthodox are coming up through the Greek or what we call the Arab world today. And in 987, the Greek Orthodox got to Russia. These Osser people this Bach family they understood and now they had to seal this temple up because let his church find what was inside it because this is the whole history it's a whole story of humanity in gold and so they sealed this place up and when they've sealed it up they really did a job Welcome to hell I explained because i was there from the beginning of the dig. I put the first shovel in, in 1987 Wow So they sealed this thing up and They made it look very natural Because as they knew that one of these Christian churches was going to come together one day because the Greek Orthodox In 987 they sealed it up and they said that the Bach That was alive in 1000 years

56:10 It was his obligation to open a temple. And Eeyore Bach, he was that Bach in 1987 we were all sitting in India and he said you know what my family... the story came slowly slowly it didn't come all on one day I spent many many years with Eeyore to learn what I learned and He said my family there's a temple there is a storehouse And his family had gotten this land back, so we knew exactly where it was. We're not looking for any temple. We know where it is and were just trying to get to it." He told us about this Yehovah system, about this giving system where people are offering these beautiful handicrafts in the storehouse. On July 19th 1987 I started The Dig

57:06 And we worked four summers. We took all the sand out, we came to rectangular stones and stone stuck into the mouth of a cave and inside the cave was just all these rock walls I mean... The whole place is man-made! Somebody they went through a lot of problems to close this thing up. There's nothing natural about it even if you had the most professional drilling masters blowing through these stones for us and they said this is completely man-made. In 1990 some friends of ours bought a little bit too much hashish up to Finland, we all got busted I had to go to prison for you know some other people being greedy but anyway it's for hash though and since then it sits there in the weight but he were only about 30 maybe 40 meters down

58:01 And we're just going through rock walls. There's a perfect granite floor, there is a perfect granite ceiling and down somewhere in front of us there will be one golden door and then when you go into that golden door it's the door to the core It's the core re-door The core... Re... Door The door will read the core and core is this hole on top of the planet Wow Yeah! That's what inside our temple we call the Limankinden Temple It can also be called the Temple of Suul, Bok and Baldur. It can also be the temple of Udi. Hmm... So knowing the location of this what would it take to start this back up again? Because now you actually have problems from The authorities in Finland and apparently a museum as well right? No I mean to tell you truth it's a very big story but that place got auctioned off Eeyore parents had his old

59:05 200-year old house sitting there on the archipelago outside of Helsinki, 30 kilometers in a place called Gumbustrand. And then the story goes on but anyway they auctioned this place off and really really nice lady bought the house with the beach but some friends of ours who are Astanga yoga teachers in Finland really super great people these two brought these two friends to mind that both are instructors for Astanga yoga They bought the entrance, they bought the land with the entrance to the temple. So the entrance of the temple is actually in our possession and these two people said we can go in there anytime we want to and we don't have to get authority. People blow in Finland, they blow holes all the time with dynamite so it could actually be going on but I think that actually the best thing is...I think this saga has to go out. People have to start understanding what this story's about

1:00:07 They just bring the cameras in and start to show this golden spiral street going down and around this 180 mile across cavern, you know. And there's millions of chambers full of incredible stuff. You know the human is not ready to see that yet we need to find out the saga has to come first. Yeah there are other places in Finland where other things were buried too. There are many things there authorities they won't let us dig up these other things because When Eeyore died, they thought it was over with. We got rid of him but just you know it just keeps coming I don't know and the story makes too much logic you know? And I was always looking for something that made sense yeah It's really out there! This story is unbelievable You can't even believe there's such a thing in the top of the planet You can't believe that it could be one storehouse and their little bitty temple has only got one piece of furniture as if the van...it's only for two people There's one little bitty room at the top

1:01:05 The temple is very, very small but the storehouse underneath it. It's beyond belief but I don't believe this story and understand this story and there is a big difference between understanding and believing. A small boy comes to me and says hey uncle Where does my life come from? I stray away, I point my finger to the sun. That big disc up there in the shine doesn't shine and you don't have a life. There's nothing living here it's all black so oceans are frozen there's nothing So your life comes from the Sun The kid can go yeah okay well that comes from the Sun i can get that but if i say there's some space cowboy out there in the vacuum

1:01:51 who made the sun on the first day. He made the light on the first day, then you really have to go into an abstract concept that there's somebody out there who made the sun on the first date I mean that's really belief so i don't believe if the son is making my life I understand it's a sign of making my life I have to believe someone made this up so there was a big difference You cannot change an understanding. I can add on to the understanding, but a belief you can change from day-to-day to day-to-day there's no basis do it. But we'll always understand that the sun is the source of our life. I cannot change that and is actually where the word discussion comes from what were having right now one discusion. The sun is one discus

1:02:36 Because everything we say is coming from this discus, the sun. I mean every word that we speak if the sun didn't shine we wouldn't be sitting here talking anything so it's you know it's a concept that the source of consciousness is the Sun Man, I gotta let you go. Eventually this has been amazing! I've talked to you for quite some time already and of course if anyone wants to hear more about this... You've got hours and hours on your YouTube page Would you like to let the people know what might be coming up for your work in this box saga? You're about to take another trip maybe give the people some more information about where they can dig deeper There's a site in Finland

1:03:21 where the archaeologists there, they started excavation in 1995 which was after we started the temple excavation. And this site is over in South Finland it's a huge cave half the size of a football field It has reinforced floors built inside of it and as archaeologists they start to go down into this floor and see that there are fires that have been burned at the mouth of this cave They find bones of mastodons, which are their article elephants' mastodons. And they find tools that these people were making more than 120 000 years ago. The archaeologist puts the date on this now 120 000 years ago we have nothing no artifacts no anything anywhere it's 120 000 years we have bones and stuff like that

1:04:19 Michael Cremo and those kind of people, they have found things that are much older than that too. But 120 thousand years is way beyond anything right? And now there was this settlement of people who were living in this ice time next to this Gulf of Finland and then the saga we talk about these people how they were living in this it's called The Alt-Lantis Time. How this group of people progressively becoming white. They were making agriculture so they could grow food and store it for the winters, they were making domestic animals because we had to start eating meat. There's a very big story about how these people lived inside this Atlantic. But these people from this wolf cave in southern Finland 120 000 years ago

1:05:05 This is one settlement of Atlantis. This is really one place where people, they weren't living in ivory towers, they were living a very basic life. They're eating mastodon or they were building fires. They were making tools and they were living there in southern Finland 120 000 years ago where the saga says that there were people living there. There were white They had white skin, they had blue eyes. They had yellow hair and they spoke Finnish language 120 000 years ago that's what we're going to make our next story nice it backs up the story it backs up the story that's what I do I look for things and make the story true there's also we're gonna make another piece on Gotland has a very big story in here that's where they came out of the ice too it's where the Vikings come out so we'll do another one this island if it's between Sweden Finland

1:05:58 And I just want to tell you, Greg, I appreciate so much this opportunity today. Anyway, yeah. And I'm open to you anytime if you want to do another one and I sit here in smoke pot all day and paint. I'm an artist and really appreciate the opportunity for sure Greg. Yeah man it was great talking to your a wealth of information You really do know this stuff really well? And I do appreciate it fascinating great talking to you Hopefully we can do this again, and maybe we can get down in that hole eventually but until then take care yourself man All right, you too. Keep on smoking! Always. There we go people another pretty out of the box episode but I think anyone who made it to the end here in either the one hour or the extended two-hour show probably felt at least a little intrigue in this thing It's dense stuff requires a lot of explanation But I love that a myth like this talks about the inner earth and when you see some of Jim's videos on YouTube especially The Root Language Wheel man

1:07:00 It just makes me wanna know more and i tried to jump around aspects I found most interesting it's a little disjointed but, I think we got to a lot of that after the harry hubbard show. I felt like this also struck a similar chord in some ways when were talking about the Helsinki hole another place had loved just take a risk and go inside and stop all the guesswork but, it does make the story a little more interesting knowing there is a place you could actually go connected with it As for the saga itself, I mean what can i say? It's kind of like digging into Hattie Bov. Just this little pocket of strange information that you can mine and see if anything resonates with you. I think the further you go with it, the more sense it makes

1:07:41 I think i said this in the intro but, I would rather get my information this way than through an education system we know is built for delivering very specific and selective information all crafted by groups who don't have our best interest at heart. Much of it lies just to prop up their power so yeah let me take my chances with this ER Bach thing and the Gnostic rooster whisperer Jim Chesner what do I got to lose? Besides, if you know your ancient Mesopotamian kings then you might find another interesting phonetic link. Sargon, Hammurabi, Ashurbanipal and Gilgamesh? Thank you they might be giants but Ashurbanipal there's something there maybe. You know despite the audio issues I thought Jim was a really fun guy to talk to. I tried to fix as much of it as i could in editing but it is still a little rough at parts

1:08:30 Oh and how wild that weed and hash charges are what put the brakes on the big excavation adventure when i have an app on my phone that will deliver these things to me within 15 minutes. I mean, that's a little crazy right? But I do suggest the smokers burn one in honor of the Bach family and Jim's willingness to preserve this information and reflect on what we've just heard. And follow up with Jim's higher quality video breakdowns on YouTube which Eric Edney has helped make. He uses high quality equipment and isn't reliant on internet connection, so I urge you to follow up there. The first one is called Welcome To Hell. Also Jim's 8 Powers videos are great but if you want to go deeper with me on the line or encourage me to get Jim back for more signup for PLUS. We talk about several other aspects of the saga and how it ties into Krishna & Moses deceivers of humanity

1:09:26 and a whole lot of other stuff, but you should sign up for this one. And last week's with Harry Hubbard and F William Mingdall and Jeff Berwick before that it's been a great month so far pretty varied the next show is going to cover new ground in the realm of secret sciences ether theory and alchemy it really is gonna require the full two hours and it is a great one A fun time with a plus member actually who has never given an interview before how about that So help me grow the show to Demogorgon proportions, five bucks at a time. If you can't afford it but you really want it email me about being part of the new THC Digital Street Team and with that said I've done what I can brought some underground info out into the light so I'm outta here Your move Box Saga concealers your fuckin' move Sweet dreams to The Elite We're calling

1:10:22 Out on THC Uncovering secrets and conspiracies Everybody's looking for something Some of them want to use you Some of them want to get used by you Some of them want to abuse you Some of them want to be abused Sweet themes on DHC Who the hell could disagree? We know the rabbit hole goes deep Everybody's digging for something Some of them want to use you