Jeremiah Skiba & Jake Grant | The Wrongful Death of Rob Skiba, WACO, & The Flat Earth Mindset

00:00 The planet's puppet masters almost surely have a plan There's clearly maybe something done And until we're early tested, we'll last close chested in the most sweet L-O-U-T-H-C Cause we know lying to us just don't know to what degree would fireside chat show break a combo

00:54 Hallelujah and hello, Irisite Chatters. From the Sunshine State I'm Greg Carlwood And if there's anything the parasitic elite class of the power pyramid knows well it is that their greatest security from organized resistance and outright rebellion is to keep the dials of distraction and division turned right on up to 11 So discontent disinformation and emotional manipulation drive a wedge in any less than airtight relationships and give them all the bread and circuses they can stomach Then you can pretty much do anything. No wonder they don't respect us! But how many times recently have we seen the most mind-controlled among us suffer a completely cold hearted lapse in human empathy over an arbitrary political or philosophical dialectic divide with someone who has suffered an objectively terrible tragedy? It's something I rarely thought about before 2020,

01:42 But from COVID to Charlie Kirk and LGBTQ stuff to immigration issues, there's been a lot of reserving our compassion and grace only for those that think strictly like we do. The right way." The system has succeeded in making it seem dangerous to hold alternative ideas while making blind faith and complete compliance appear virtuous And worse still, they've caused a lot of people to assess someone through a mental checklist of pre-approved ideas before opening up to human connection emotional resonance or even simple basic human kindness. The social crediting system is here folks being tallied in the minds of those all around us Well nowhere are these new realities more obvious than in the lives of today's guests Jeremiah Skiba and Jake Grant If you don't know Jeremiah is the adopted son of Rob Skiba

02:29 popular conspiracy commentator, award-winning filmmaker and the author of books like Archon Invasion The Rise Fall and Return of the Nephilim and Babylon Rising The First Shall Be Last. But if you google his name You'll be greeted with page after page of headlines serving out various configurations of the phrase flat or Earth anti-vaxxer dies of COVID, each with their own comment sections of predictable gloating mockery and condescension. Conveniently leaving out that Rob's wife Sheila then wrote a 400 plus page book documenting the entire horror show of their hospital experience titled The Protocol That Kills A True Crime Story

03:06 Well, that was 2023 and Sheila is also no longer with us. But carrying the torch is their son Jeremiah and Rob's old co-host Jake Grant now working together at Skiba News Nation across YouTube Rumble Patreon and all the places so let's go The Flat Earth Faithful Cultural Critics & Card Carrying Conspiracy Co-Pilots Jeremiah and Jake! Jake and Jeremiah welcome to THC Hey thanks for having us man great to be here Of course. So I always try to keep the intro down to one page, but this one really needs a lot of information up front. I really learned about all this when you guys were kind enough to have me on Skiba News Nation and basically educated me on the whole story. I didn't even know Rob died though I did know he was one of the biggest names in the Flat Earth community especially from a biblical perspective

03:57 But after hearing about all this from you guys, I really felt like I had a duty to try to help tell the story. Even though there would be a lot Rob and I wouldn't agree on but welcome to life! If we were just go back a bit Jeremiah... You sort of had a classic deadbeat dad but Rob and your mom met fell in love and after two years he proposed to her and requested to adopt you Add to adopt you as his own son when you were thirteen back in two thousand seven. You had eighteen years as a happy family and then my understanding is rob went the doctor and twenty twenty one with what your mom sheila described as a mild cough,

04:37 And I guess pick up the story from there. Well, a mild cough and he couldn't keep any food down that was the main thing to coughing the food. And so we had people always say like what why did you take him to the hospital? Why did you take him to the hospital because we trusted this hospital because we've had family members it was like our family Hospital an they had taken great care of so many people that we know in love and my mom or somebody would always be able to be there with them. And so little did we know that this place of healing turned into a concentration camp and a death factory, and that's pretty much what it was in a nutshell. Well it's pretty well established now that the COVID protocols like remdesivir and ventilators killed quite a few people who likely would have been fine otherwise

05:30 Rob actually knew this already because it was 2021. My understanding is he was in the hospital for 40 days. Very biblical, actually. Yeah and they wouldn't let my mom in They had armed guards First time I ever heard about this Is armed guards at the front of the hospital Not letting any family members in not even my mom And if there was a family member it was only one So I wrote a book before hers came out called Never Got To Say Goodbye That way people kind of knew our backstory It was the craziest time that I've ever experienced on this earth, them just pretty much holding him hostage. They kept him and it was forced isolation. It was starvation. It was heavy sedation. It was forced ventilation and I convinced my mom after he passed to do an independent autopsy guess what? There's no COVID in the system. They shredded his lungs

06:28 He would have never came out of the hospital alive because of what they did. They cut off his DNI bracelet, they did all these things to him and he lived for 40 days it was a miracle that even lived long enough for my mom to go in there to see him Right okay so he goes to the hospital, he gets diagnosed with COVID they probably make you take a test I remember. The test pops positive which we know is kind of a coin flip anyway So once it pops positive you are in the pipeline then my understanding is it was 21 days before he was allowed any visitation? Correct. So you don't know that this is going to happen in three weeks, your dad is locked up in the hospital. He can't walk out and you guys can't walk in

07:16 They are recommending intubation, but he knows not to do that. So I have a few texts that were sent that this is part of the marketing for the book. These are the saddest things ever? Yeah so this is an image that is marketing from the book but these are the texts from your dad no food doing all they can to try and get me to agree to intubate. Im dead if they do No strength no hope left I'm sure this is just a sampling of the communications that you were having through this time, but walk us through like what happened in these communications. Cause it started off where you were all quite surprised at the direction this was taking and then obviously we know where it went, but walk us through that process

08:00 The process of him texting and stuff yeah just his mind state what they were trying to get them to do i mean how you get a guy to end debate a lot of us can sit here and say I'd never do that. I wouldn't let them do that to me because i already know what it would do i think everybody has their line, and everybody can be pushed past it is that Assuming what happened to rob well what happened was he had a dnr as soon as you went into the hospital do not intubate. Bracelet we found out later that they had cut that off ok so here in the state of texas for them to be able to do something if somebody is not, being able to verbally speak, which if that was the case they would have to have a recording of that and they would have to present that to us. Which this is kind of an off track story but me my mom put spy glasses on went inside and found the person who signed his death warrant pretty much said he's verbally said it And she admitted the fact that she was just signing them over the phone not from the patient but from the doctor

08:59 So she was signing all of these people's death warrants and basically eliminating them. I mean, it is just so insane that somebody can do that and kill another human. And you know, I don't blame her. There's a lot of people they do blame but I don't want to really get sued over that. But I know for a fact that he wouldn't intubate. They cut off his bracelet. That just... That's all kinds of laws broken in my opinion. Yeah. I mean, I don't see how they'd get away with You know, somebody's religious right is what he said. That's my religious right not to be intubated and not to be put on a ventilator." And they pumped them all full of stuff while we were gone. One of the other text messages that he sent was, if you're not my advocate I will die.

09:44 So sad. So Jake, let me bring you in here and you've done a lot it seems man. I mean, you got a board game called tribe that looks very impressive. You have a new flat earth documentary that just came out too we might get into that but you used to work a lot with Rob what sticks out to you as some of the most egregious aspects of Rob's hospital experience? Well, I think they definitely were trying to make an example of him. Yes! Because of his relationship with the Flat Earth community The Flat Earth community which was recorded in my not new documentary but a re-release of a very old flat earth documentary

10:20 That was actually featured at the last Flat Earth International Conference in 2019. The whole concept of what they were doing back then censoring flat earth, which was causing people to kind of put blinders on and accept Certain certain propositions for men in white lab coats that they were kind of asking people to not bet for themselves it set a precedence back then which is interesting that rob was so connected with that movement and then in 2020 when I different type of man in white lab coats.

10:56 started pushing kind of against our bodily autonomy really. It makes sense that they tried to make an example out of the guy who was creating the skeptic in the back of the room back in 2016, 2017. Really sad what happened you know I worked with Rob for many years and had many big plans with him he had a a series he was going to create that was called Seed. And it was going to be a science fiction animated series, he had already won many many awards and actually after he passed away he started getting in the mail all these big awards for Seed and you know there's so many elements of why I think they

11:41 they wanted to silence his voice, but more than anything I think it's just that cultural shift that happened in 2020 where it became like a self-righteous thing to push the agenda and a lot of people kind of bit that apple so to speak. And uh and I think that culture kind of you know... In the hospital these doctors I'm sure they knew about him online from the testimony it seemed like some of and his impact in kind of the conspiracy truth or world. Because Rob wasn't just prolific in terms of talking on the cosmological question, and debunking NASA and stuff he goes way back to 2012 at The Bible Prophecy Club where he did a speech where he predicted that VACCINES were going to be used as a type of Mark Of The Beast And he did it years ago

12:39 And so, you know through the trenches he was trumpeting that something fishy was happening. It was actually his biggest area of research COVID-19 and the pandemic whenever we looked at his computer after he passed away Yeah that was my job Saving all those files man All of the tabs were like this rabbit hole and that rabbit hole, man. He was putting a lot of pieces together and yeah I don't know...I know i kind of rambled there for a little bit but you know he just had such a big impact on my life You know my trajectory I was going to go down and work with him on seed. He was really just starting to get the ball going whenever that fell through after he passed away. I didn't really what to do but more than anything I wanted support um my friends family

13:26 I was close with Rob, but after he passed away I went to help Sheila and Jeremiah try to pick up the pieces and promote Sheila's book because they had really done something blatantly evil. And I do believe that Sheila has one of the strongest documented cases of the pandemic, you know death camps that happened in the hospital. So it was a good cause so I jumped alongside to support him and then naturally Jeremiah and I we started doing our show Skiba News Nation to try to push it out there and that's kind of how our relationship formed after Rob passed away Yes. And I did pick up the book, it is 400 plus pages. It does go step by step. I mean, I think she breaks it down day-by-day over these 40 days and the conversations with the doctors and the crazy stuff like it resonated with me having lost my dad because there's a lot of stuff where they come in

14:23 high and mighty, they gloss over a bunch of stuff. They know you don't understand terms that they know you don't know. And then if you don't ask okay well what are the side effects of that? That thing you just said are there side effects or the potential side effects oh yeah laundry list of them okay well you were not gonna say that until I asked And my mom was not equipped to really be the person in the room, and I have two young kids. So a lot of stuff similar things happened there's a lot of parallels to this story but some of the conversations that your mom was having with doctors like they're so arrogant brutal i mean this is a person who's experiencing a tragedy and you got to be patient with them

15:07 And you also have to let them decide what's going to be happening instead of telling them and shutting down any questions about this or that. So yeah pretty brutal i wanted to read this quote from jeremiah book never got to say goodbye right we come into the world vulnerable and leave on a ball were naked limp independent where at the mercy of doctors nurses and sometimes deadly hospital protocols The hospital did this to my dad. They locked our family out of the hospital with no visitation rights for 21 days from the day of his admission, they said it was their policy he was left with no advocate, no human touch, no loving hands defeat him and no encouraging words of hope." This type of treatment is the crime of the century and it doesn't make sense. The casket doesn't make sense. His life doesn't make sense

15:54 Very sad. And I also wanted to throw this in from your mom, so it might take me a second to pull up. Well, I will say every conversation in this book while you're pulling it out was recorded audio. She recorded every phone call. I told her Mom if they're not going let you and you need to record every single phone call just in case and she said OK So she did. She recorded every single phone call. All the things that you were reading we put into program where it broke down I think it's called Otter AI, is the name of the platform. Oh yeah! Okay. Yeah transcription software, AI software...I know it and tried to use it for my show but lots of dialogue all recorded and you can really walk down one isolated case of a thing that happened to over a million people perhaps? Definitely hundreds of thousands so yes let's listen to this this is your mom

16:51 At a podium, at a presentation talking about her book and how angry she was about all this. The government incentivized protocol designed to kill He went to take on the world And I always traveled with him but he told me this time that he didn't want me to go and when he came back he was fine. He started coughing. I called them and they said take him to the ER We were talking we were texting my phone was ringing it was Rob It wasn't Rob it was a doctor and he was yelling at me My husband needed to be put on a ventilator Every single story is the same Who wrote the script? It was definitely murder. My book has laws that they broke, how much oxygen they were giving him way more than he needed damage they did to him 1.2 million Americans died the same way so he's the face of many I am the persistent widow i'm going to keep on until I get answers consent forms were not signed I need to hear my husband's voice saying yes He told me trying everything they can to get me to get on a ventilator and dead if I do

17:45 Yeah, so obviously... i'll have no fury like a woman scorned and she was very upset and i really do believe that if you look at a lot of cases throughout the conspiratorial history. Can you find the people that they wanna shut down the most it's people who are believing in an idea bigger than themselves because they had a personal connection a personal loss and there not gonna go away obviously your mom has passed what happened there,

18:22 So my mom, I think the actually this whole thing had a lot to do with her her passing But she was diagnosed with cancer feel like it was like almost right after this book came out She didn't want to tell anybody and I respected that Norm Macdonald did the same thing one of my favorite favorite comedians And I was like yeah. It's kind of cool so you'll get over this nobody will ever know and You know that wasn't the case she passed 121224 which I think is almost beautiful because my parents were always in a numbers like. 444 was was my dad's number twelve twelve plus twelve is twenty four and I always just.

19:03 You know that was my first sign that hey maybe, maybe there is something to this faith thing maybe i shouldn't lose my face and then my whole butterfly story where I she's sitting down with me and I like so like we're just. We were we were silly but I was like ever come back i'm gonna come back as a skunk so I can spray if I ever come back and being serious I will come back as a butterfly that's how you know that I am okay said okay whatever blue at all she didn't like butterflies in the sheet I mean she hate butterflies that wasn't like her thing. So in December, when we were right next to our casket there was a bunch of flowers. Just so happened that butterfly out of nowhere comes and lands right on it- We have video of it. Lands right on the flowers In December in Texas, Dallas Texas That is next to impossible The last time that happened was like early 1900's I don't know where that butterfly came from

19:58 I don't know. It's crazy, but I believe that signs come from somewhere and that gave me my faith back and I appreciate my mom for that." She put her whole life in soul in everything she had in this book. You know? I was just so glad... And I told you off camera that when this book came out Anthony Fauci had just put out his autobiography and she bumped him of the number one spot in category it was at And that was the coolest middle finger F you that I have ever seen and that is so like her You know, like 5,000 pages of medical my dad's medical records in here. And there are some crazy Conspiracy people that are I think they're psyops but they still think he's alive and I'm like man. I wish she was still alive That'd be awesome

20:47 I mean, I want to go see him. But I know that he's dead. I saw him dead." Yeah, I saw a guy online who very disrespectfully thinks that your mom is playing the same role as the actress who plays Sarah Palin as the actress who plays another political figure and uh... That stuff I don't know it's always a little silly to me just based off of picture that you think that one person is playing the part of like six different people on the world stage where would you have the time what like where did you get the time is like im looking for my double right now. Okay, guys. Let's add fuel to the fire."

21:40 Something that's a big red flag i mean what happened there they blasted his lungs full of oxygen they shredded his lung like we had so the hospital course is not gonna do an autopsy on a body that they obviously killed. So I told my mom cuz im a true crime fan I like to watch it just to see where the investigators go and stuff like that. They always do autopsies if something is suspicious, so I said mom we have to get an independent autopsy We have to know what killed my dad What killed him because all these hit pieces all these if you look up his name It's all anti-what blanker? I'm censoring myself No You can say it anti Vax anti B word dies of

22:25 COVID yeah we have to self-censor on our own YouTube. Oh I get it We have to know, and i knew that she had to know And so we did no COVID and there was his lungs were so blown out there was no way he could've left that hospital And there were also other things in a system that we had no idea about that I'm sure in this book can't think of off the top of my head but it's just so crazy to me. This was allowed to happen especially in a state like Texas, like Texas is supposed to be guns blazing like where were always ahead of the curve but really not doctors are at the curb you cant sue them they have blanket immunity

23:02 over everything that they do. Emergency use? Yeah, and no lawyer is balls... No lawyer had the balls to go up against the hospital because excuse my French they're pussies in my opinion That's just my opinion. Alleged Yeah, I totally understand and so Jake let me ask you about the media coverage this thing we've been talking about this anti-vax flat earther dies of covid. This was plastered everywhere i have some examples AOL.com flatter theorist anti-vax or rob skeba dies of covid the daily beast anti vaxx flat earth preacher dies of covid 19 co vidya it which you know on reddit

23:46 They have taken a lot of subreddits down because their hate speech or this or that, you know that's always the code word right? Hate speech or disparaging a group or something. Well they still allow this subreddit called Covidiot where they just laugh about people who died of covid or didn't want to get the shot and there flat earth preacher dead at 52 from covid thats another point is he was 52 He was a war veteran. He was in good shape, he was not obese. I just... knowing what we know about COVID this does not seem like a person who would have a problem with it His death was used to mock all of us whether we come from a Christian perspective or not whether were flat earther or not even if we just want medical autonomy at base level his death was used to mock us and i'll spare everyone the comments I saw looking into this but a lot of heartless smug

24:42 condescending stuff that you'd expect. Zero compassion, no humility or grace for a family who lost a father no matter what his beliefs were he never hurt anyone! He was just curious about the damn shape of the earth and how we all got here but But Jake, what would you say about this aspect? It has to be very frustrating to deal with not only mourning but at the same time seeing this pop up everywhere. Yeah, uh- You know who controls you by the WHO you can't criticize right just naturally our culture has been kind

25:32 Find something to make fun at they find their click and so you know that's why honestly the internet was so entertaining, you know previously because it was just this natural unfolding of our commentary on things but. Then in recent years, they've started to kind of hue down on what we get to witness. And you can tell what agenda exists by what they allow to exist still just like you were talking about like that's the only one of the few hate speech threads supposedly that's allowed to remain up but You know, obviously they were just trying to capitalize on the headline. Two things from the story that we can sum up that we know was blatant and done too many people and very wrong was without his consent they were giving him remdesivir which shut his body down and without his consent they cut off a literal do not intubate bracelet off of a man whose whole life

26:31 Represented the strong belief of you know he should have bodily autonomy over this you know system right and uh he literally in 2012 was predicting that a a vax would come as a form of the mark of the beast. So you think a guy like that would go in there wanting to fully, you know, go with whatever protocol? No absolutely not! That's why he was in there and he was on lockdown for days and days they were literally mentally spiritually physically wearing him down And then ultimately, you know, there is multiple times we would get reports They were trying to get them off the ventilator and uh... They're like oh he's fighting the ventilator too much the

27:30 You know, obviously you know she was the only one that they're going to let into the hospital and and she did all she could. She really she really tried in a lot of people have been so far on the conspiratorial side that they see a grieving widow in there like oh this lady you know she didn't do all she could well nobody could have prepared for the mind control system that just got ramped up in 2020 2021 when when all the protocols, it's literally the flexing of the muscle of like this control system. The medical tyranny that happened in the world and I think it's a way it's beautiful because Rob who is such an outspoken person for truth for looking at that alternative perspective conspiracies you know all the stuff that people generally don't talk about in polite company will now

28:22 That's the topic at the Thanksgiving dinner table, right? Because guys like Rob who were vocally calling out the system and he was one of the few guys back in the early days of Truth or Internet that was doing very well presented research. Calling out 9-11, calling out some of the discrepancies with religion You know, I know sometimes it's hard to listen to people you think are outright crazy but if you do a little bit of investigation you'll find that a lot of Robb's beliefs not only in religion and about cosmology were based on a very rational empirical research style which based most of what he believed off time reading and studying

29:11 that scholarly level people are presenting and saying about these conspiracies that everybody wants to write you off on. But the truth is, he was taken out I believe to make an example of it because he was taken out it really did make him a martyr the system did in 2021. Every fake news article that has come out will be receiving a cease and desist letter, that they need to apologize and correct the record or we will take legal action. And I'm very serious about it like it's just wrong if they can use they can just tarnish somebody's complete legacy

29:52 and just make them look as bad as possible, even though he didn't die of covid. So you can say anti-vaxxer dies of Covid right? You can't say that if they didn't die of Covid. That's a factual error! Right so they need to right their wrongs or they will be sued and I think there's a pretty good case there and i feel like lawyers would probably go after The Daily Beast and people like that It's in their name, Daily Beast. We saw a lot of that happen. We saw people in car accidents go into the hospital they have to get tested they have test positive for COVID they have internal bleeding from the car accident They died of COVID we know that they were financially incentivized To total up the numbers you know boost those numbers boost the people on ventilators request more ventilators You get more funding it was a big scam I just don't know

30:41 The audience is aware, but I just don't know if it's ever been connected so personally to someone. Especially in our community you know? You should never reduce a person the complexities of a person down to one or two labels So that's frustrating to see...I lost my dad about a year and half ago won't go too hard into it But he went into the hospital with dizziness with vertigo And they scanned him He had tumors in his brain So he has got brain cancer Okay He left the hospital like five days later in excruciating pain because something they gave him tore a hole in his gut. He didn't go into the hospital in pain, he didn't go into the hospital with a gut problem. He drove himself there that morning after doing you know daily... The daily push-ups and eating breakfast. He's just like I'm dizzy! I got to solve this problem but he came out with a much bigger problem died in bed

31:33 in a stupor of drugs from fentanyl to whatever the hell else we were given administered by my mom and me that would not be considered medical malpractice on paper. And i don't know that there was anything that was going to fix this situation but it definitely was objectively worse after the treatment from the hospital so I'm just using that as an example to say medical malpractice on paper is the third leading cause of death in America. On paper, and that's malpractice! How many people die from them doing things quote-unquote the right way? And then how many treatments just make

32:13 a situation worse when, you know... Everyone dies. I'm not saying people aren't going to die. My dad was 72 but his death journey was definitely made so much more painful. You know he never wanted to be on fentanyl. I know that! So it's just sad that we both are in a situation where our dads were aware of how sick hospitals can be and yet sometimes there's just nowhere else you can go and you get sucked into the system despite everything everything you know about it. So, it is sad but let's also move on to some other stuff because I want to talk to you guys about your own work tell people a little bit about Skiba News Nation what are some of the things you've been covering lately? I see you guys pull up videos and comment on what's in the news and how it relates to your overall worldview What sticks out too recently that you've been getting into Well, I can tell ya how started it and then what we've been doing recently so after my dad died

33:10 My mom was heartbroken and she's like what we do with this legacy like what do we do from here and I said. I was a traveling musician outside mom let me just let me do it let me inject to it will do something so we created a youtube channel, add the beautiful thing is we are reaching the generation of my dad always want to reach which is our our generation And that was beautiful to me and they're finding his work through that. But as of lately, or how the show goes is Jake will cover the current news. He's an awesome current news man. And so he pulls up the coolest current news that the mainstream media won't talk about. And then my producer who is my grandfather Opa, he does like a funny segment to kind of bring things back to earth

33:56 And then I do history's mysteries, which is inspired by unsolved mysteries. The good one not the reboot but where i talk about things in the past that don't make sense it's kind of fun going down the rabbit holes of you know things that seem to be repeating themselves You know? In history and uh and then we end with some no- some uh please- I call it please excuse my sense of humor because I have a very very dark sense of humor...I don't know where that comes from but A lot of people seem to like it so I guess i'll keep it but yeah, there's a lot that Jake would be better at what sticks out. to him now. What is the biggest story that we've covered? We've covered so many big stories as of recent. Oh man, so over the years done some really interesting coverage of Mount Carmel and Waco and that has directly related to some of our conversations with other authors like Tom O'Neill who wrote K

34:54 chaos yeah i heard about that for people don't know chaos is the new book that has got a lot of buzz behind it about manson being connected with CIA mind control programs I believe and he's awesome Good news writing a second book now that's why i didn't come to truth or con this year is what he said yeah let me step in here jake so you mentioned to me something pretty juicy that I gotta ask you guys about Jake said that Jeremiah has a fairly close relationship with Charles pace who was the current owner of the mar Mount Carmel Center, the famous location of the Waco massacre where after a 51 day standoff with US federal agents 82 branch Davidians including 28 children and four ATF agents died. Many from a suspicious fire that was basically the end of the whole standoff and everything I'm sure there's stuff to say about that but Charles Pace, the current owner of The Complex and head of The Current Church

35:50 He apparently told Jeremiah some quote intriguing connections involving musical influencers MKUltra and more. Pastor Pace was an interesting guy I met him me and my girlfriend at the time, i don't think we were married at the time but uh my wife now i guess i should say We were in Austin which is not too far halfway from Dallas to Austin is Waco so I was like you know we have 10,000 subscribers what's the harm in calling to see if we can do an interview. So yeah so we decided to do it and it's at Waco, Waco where the Davidians were set themselves on fire or so they say says Joe Biden Chuck Schumer back then 1990

36:34 before it happened in 1993. So it was the year before I was born, but anyways, I was coming back from Austin and we stopped and we were like oh my gosh the Branch Davidians are calling us so We went and we stopped And we talked with them and he knew who my dad was and he was like Oh do you know Robert Skiba? I said that's my dad Uh, he's like it so sad what happened to him and we just had a great interview. And um... He invited us to be the only media allowed on Mount Carmel property on the 30th anniversary which was So cool that he would even do something like that but.. He is unable to talk now because of stroke uh unfortunately But yeah there is alot of dark stuff That he has found in his research about

37:21 Waco and where it all comes from and you know David Koresh was actually a really good musician. He brought up music he was a surprisingly good musician I mean Jake's heard the music, and he thought it was pretty good What did he mention so just this thing about musical influencers in MK ultra? What's this connection? It's really fascinating And that's why I brought up Chaos and Tom O'Neill because he had done so much work with another very famous musician who was involved with a supposed cult, right? But I think what's interesting is during the cultural revolution of the 70s we realized as a Western culture

38:00 That music is powerful and it was, it was music and the folk kind of uprising that allowed people to speak their mind out against Vietnam. And all the different, uh, corporatized government plans that you know were rolling out in the world. And I think things like Mount Carmel, you know, The story's like with what happened with the branch Davidians they were made an example Because the powerful tool of music and its influence on mankind, you know is something very powerful. Right? Like I mean just how music can lead people and change hearts and minds everybody kind of it's a proven topic right And uh i think whenever you look at things like mount carmel what happened well

38:51 an obvious overreach of government intruding into that society. They had some very interesting beliefs, Charles Pace the way he comes into the story is he was a previous member of the Branch Davidian Church before the siege at Mount Carmel actually happened and so he rebuked David Koresh to his face for over-interpreting himself into the scripture And he left the community six months allegedly before the siege at Mount Carmel happened and everybody who was at Mount Carmel had kind of like, you know professed to fully believe in David Koresh's full interpretation and have his prophetic role in the scriptures. And and uh...and his viewpoints on

39:38 you know, whatever they wanted to do with their little society they were building. But Pace comes in because he has this really interesting perspective on like why they came to take out Mount Carmel and... He's given us numerous books and that has a whole presentation but there's kind of an ought between him and the group like as people trying to research this and cover the topic we're trying to be well-rounded and all the people were interviewing while we went down there and yeah man I think that's why

40:17 Uh, we have things like the MKUltra tie to music and musical influencers. And Manson being kind of the scapegoat to set a legal precedence that somebody through music or through whatever ideological influence can be targeted in a legal case for conspiracy to murder even though he wasn't directly involved in that case. I know I'm jumping to Manson But you can see how because Manson set a precedence later on in the 90s with Mount Carmel, they already had this ought and they're already strapped up against musical influencers and musical religious communities just like Manson's community. So that's the connection there

41:04 Sure, I don't know if a lot of people know that Manson was a musician but yeah of course that's a big part of his story. I want to know a little bit more about Pace's perspective on why they went in so even by mainstream standards the Waco situation along with i think Ruby Ridge is the other one they consider the biggest fuck-ups and law enforcement history even like in a mainstream way you know just principles of de escalation and all these things that they're supposed to follow. They didn't and my understanding is that i watched i think the big podcast on this like this eight hour thing but even there they can say that,

41:41 Somehow the people inside were convinced to alter their weapons. I think they were convinced to soft or shotgun barrels, or something of that degree and then that is when law enforcement was like okay those are illegal guns They weren't illegal you altered them now They're illegal now we're going in and now the standoff starts Now if Koresh was fucking the kids You got to go in there? You know you gotta-you can't let that happen If he's just fucking the wives Well, you know adults can make their own decisions. And if you get brainwashed into letting this Messiah figure bang your wife I guess that's your problem as no one else is not the government's business was he messing with the kids and what what's the real reason Pace says that they went in? It's really a long story and he wrote this book about it Waco A New Revelation for The Children's Sake Why The Deep State Massacred David Koresh. So we've interviewed a child survivor that actually was there

42:36 During all of this and what he has to say, I mean he wasn't fucking the kids or anything like that But David Koresh was actually a friendly guy and the whole gun thing happened because when they moved on to that property This is what pastor Pace says That there were guns that they were That there were guns there And he was trying to melt them down at first and then he was trying to sell him at gun shows but that had nothing To do with why they broke in Now pace believes the reason why they even broken at all was because right next door is a boys home where they would bring in young boys. Okay, and crush was trying to expose that

43:17 Okay that the bushes had a very there's actually footage of george w bush taking putin to this boys ranch. That is really next door to wake up and i'll send you my documentary thing that I was trying to prove everything he said wrong because, I mean, I don't want to put anything out to our audience where they see it and they're like oh well that didn't really happen. I tried prove the guy wrong Do you recall the name of this ranch? Here let me do a quick Google search It's something boys ranch Waco Boys Ranch I do see headline from The Business Insider Putin once spoke with George W Bush at a rural Texas high school and answered questions about human rights They were in a rural Texas town of 700 people

44:01 So why would you bring Vladimir Putin to a rural, and Texas is so big it's so hard to get around. Check out our mind control camp Putin. You can set it up in Siberia for your own mind control program. Two months after September 11th, you know you think he'd have bigger priorities. He brought Putin to this rural Texas town of 700 people where Bush owns the nearby Prairie Chapel Ranch. The two leaders spoke at the high school according to NPR so I don't know if you're specifically talking about the prairie chapel ranch. I don't believe that's what it's called but i know that they have property close to it and they all have ties

44:42 To the ranch every piece of property over there is like own and like by somebody buy like a higher up and they basically do bohemian Grove kind of stuff at this ranch with boys with young boys. And specifically on voice And this book is actually, I'm trying to find it because he's got to have it in here. Because I put it in my little mini documentary that I put out on Vimeo He's a big Trump fan too! He mentioned something about some of the members of the community at the time were going into local businesses and working amongst the community and some of the members of the Mt Carmel church had ended up working at one of these ranches nearby

45:27 And that's where they uncovered some type of deep, dark secret that revealed some type of government connection to that ranch. And allegedly they had proof of what was going on in this nearby camp and that was one of the underlying reasons that there were still aggressively coming in to the property and causing issues. So another fun thing is Clinton made a campaign stop their small town. Why would he stop there? on his campaign trail with possibly another guy with the initials j.e i don't know i'm just throwing things out there i mean is that jeffrey upstein okay yeah sometimes it needs to be spelled out for me plus you know we're not just talking here there's so many people listening they're gonna be like what yeah you can say abstinence vaccine

46:17 I don't care if you two doesn't like it. Around the time this was a belief is re election campaign where he was flying on the plane how many times how many times did you plan that playing about a dozen or more nuts on paper not a dozen or more. So i said they're pretty close friends i mean why go to a boys ranch why go to a city where they have it this boy's branch and that's kinda weird

46:54 Yeah angela merkel has been there to she went there in two thousand seven i didn't really know about this but the property was acquired by george w bush it is an unincorporated mclean county, seven miles northwest of the Waco property. He spends his vacation time in the house and entertained visiting dignitaries from around the world, The ranch received its name from the Prairie Chapel School which was built nearby on the land. The land was donated by mid 19th century German immigrant Heinrich Engelbrocht from Germany who owned the land that now encompasses the Bush Ranch

47:35 I just find that to be strange. There's a lot of deep history, especially during the Nazi time with American Nazis or we just say the American power apparatus that kind of got not... Not just Project Paperclip but before that was after the war even during it and before you know you got Brown Brothers Harriman, a lot of German companies that were big in the United States. I just find this interesting so yeah The Ranch is not only seven miles from Waco, but it might also be near this boy's ranch. And this is an angle I haven't heard before that when you're going to expose something sometimes you just get accused of being someone who's doing that very same thing and people are already primed to think well cult religious cults orgies child abuse i mean it's all there so people are primed to accept that story i don't know if that story is true or not but it is interesting

48:31 What motivates the government to get involved is possibly exposing something that they don't want out there. Now I did find a photo that i used in it and this was what he was talking about, its called the MCH boys ranch and I just found an article on it shows the gate of it and that was one that Pace said was correct one Boys in ch ranch i don't know i just think it's all interesting the fact that that. All these people seem to go there and he even told me a story it's been such a lot since you are times have actually like rewatched it and seen what he had to say but he said,

49:12 Something to the effect of he knew somebody that was a caterer, right? A caterer and even the next door neighbor could tell the story. Like he could back him up on the story. I catered to this thing and they're doing all kinds of in his words homosexual pedophilic stuff with these boys. The caterers said, I'm not going to cater for this event These are pieces words okay, so please if it's this if something happened. It's these are all what pace said allegedly allegedly This is hearsay Allegedly allegedly blah blah blah but that's what he says that the caterer said no and so they had to find a new caterer But the caterer that originally went said I can't be a part of this I can't be III don't even want to be here got some dark energy

49:57 and really pulled himself out of the whole Waco thing, like completely gone. Like never talk about it again brought it up with pace and I guess he thought it had a lot to do with with you know the story of Waco fun fact that in some of the news footage Timothy McVeigh is seen right before they set it on fire selling bumper stickers outside of the Branch Davidian compound Hmm, and that's why he blew up allegedly the Oklahoma City on the same date a year later or one or two years later He blew up the Oklahoma. He did the Oklahoma City bombing So he was very influenced by why? The reason why the government did this is why he did that to the government it is how his brain worked allegedly hmm

50:49 So when you said MCH, I looked that up and it comes up with an address 1111 Herring Avenue in Waco Texas the Methodist Children's Home. Is that what? That sounds right. MCH stands for? We don't know much about this but is a mere 4.6 miles from The mount carmel waco location so obviously these things are all very. Close in a state that is very spread out you know i've had the unfortunate pleasure of driving across texas several times how dare you let's take the landing on this wayco discussion with the fire it's the big contentious thing that killed most people involved, the government says they have audio recordings of

51:40 uh, caression side saying like let's set everyone on fire. The alternative take I've heard is that they put a certain gas in there that was very flammable and I believe they had to use candles just to see in the situation they were in if the power was cut and that that is why there was a fire that would kill everyone what what's the take that you have heard? I mean what i know is that they didn't set fire themselves i own so by befriending pace and the people on the property. They sent me one of the largest pieces of what remains of Waco and it's a part of the school bus. I was going to go get it and show you, but you can see charred remains on there and there is no way that all those people just set themselves ablaze. Your body wouldn't allow that like you would run if you were on fire. Look at Richard Pryor he set himself on fire allegedly well he did then he started running to try put the fire out. That's just what your body does so

52:37 Why would they do that? And why on the ATF recordings, do they say OK we're going in. We're taking it down you know it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense and maybe Jake You did that part of the documentary on my documentary about the fire part I think your pretty good at explaining Yeah yeah i think it's just the excuse that the government was giving for an accident that happened they were there i think they might have been trying to peaceably cause the people to exit the building and they just in instead actually set them all on fire. And unfortunately thats why a lot of those people lost their lives is uh... you know, they got trapped in that building and I don't think they did it to themselves.

53:31 A lot of things right and so the guys of certain brands and denominations can be where you find a lot of, you know, the trafficking and evil things in the world. And so it's interesting that You know like it's like it's like the rule book for radicals thing where you shout you know, I know I am. But what are you? You know louder at the other person when it's actually your guilty party and um, and I wonder if it's kind of like that. It was like down at the MCH there they're really doing some crazy stuff and the people down in Waco are like hey y'all down at the MCH they're, they're doing some freaky stuff and then the MCH uh calls big daddy up

54:12 and sends the Bulldogs down, and they start shouting at the top of their lungs. Oh, Colta! Oh you know this guy's got multiple wives or whatever... And then what it does is it justifies in the eyes of the American public for the extreme action that's taken. So everything we see from the official narrative is like this backpedaling trying to prove that they deserved it. They were the cult. They were the Jonestown. the Manson family. Full circle, landing like you said it goes back to that precedence they set back with the Manson murders and him. Well what's kind of funny is when we interviewed Scott Mabb who was a child survivor who actually got out early I asked him one time because i was thinking about this he watched his dad being shot and murdered in front of

55:02 I did the same thing, but in and but for recent times. And I said, hey man this is kind of an idea that I have would you be down to do this like a documentary about you talking about your dad? It was his stepdad he loved him like his own dad just like me and watched them be murdered i didn't watch it but i was hearing everything that was going on He's like yes! I would definitely do that anytime anyplace anytime any day and so we still haven't done that because we've been so busy lately But I would still love to do that with him because. I think it tells a story of how you know the government is definitely not on our side and anybody who thinks that they are needs a wake up call and you know, I think it's very important for people to know that

55:46 You know, they were shooting people. They were shooting dogs that were shooting all kinds of things. It wasn't just a fire I mean them just going in guns ablazing That's an issue some and then David Koresh even said if you come knocking on my door I have a gun like of course I do I have one sitting right next to me. I live in Texas That's what we do here You know If I don't know who you are if you can make your presence known then well your threat to me and my family, you know right and the whole gun control thing you know for the first time in my life I live in a pretty rural area and we've already had six foot alligators cross the property like shooters coyotes out here there's bobcats out here going after the chickens trying to get in that cage

56:29 People who don't live rural, don't understand like you can't really take guns away. They're a tool that you kind of need in certain situations. That's why it's so crazy. It goes on in Canada where they got the bears and the cougars and the wolves. And it's like people who have a couple acres land in rural Canada, they can't just use a baseball bat. Like it's not even about fighting the government necessarily. It's just about, it's a basic tool for rural life. So Yes, I agree with all that stuff. Let's fold in Jake's new flat earth documentary here. What your documentary might add to the discussion. Why did you put out this film? What is your film ad that a lot of previous Flat Earth films seem to have missed well for one It's an OG flat earth film That came out in 2019 I actually made at the same time that behind-the-curve The Famous Netflix documentary was also filming at the same events that I was at so

57:31 I was there in 2017 at the rise of the Flat Earth movement and, and I think to encapsulate it. It's not really a flat earth documentary in and of itself. It's more presented from that seekers perspective of giving a flat earth community the opportunity to explain all the underlying conspiracies that cumulatively add up to Flat Earth. I feel pretty confident saying I was one of the only full length documentaries made a

58:20 going The Flat Earth movement was this like flicker in the dark of deception in the world, right? Well yes I know it's a cognitive dissonant term where the word flat earth already you're like eh. But if you love truth enough to have been willing to notice that flicker of light and the dark and go investigate you'll find that the flat earth topic is less of a conspiracy about what the earth is and more of a conspiracy about what the Earth isn't. And so it's a contrarian perspective where it debunks the things that we've been taught from government agencies like NASA, and it kind of dismantles what we are told about the realm we live in. Then it opens up the possibilities for people can come up with theories on where we do live

59:20 You know, one of the beautiful elements of the Flat Earth movement was it. I believe it was The Ugly Clam right? It was this thing that you really had to be a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist to go and investigate this right but if you did... If you gave at the time of day to just listen to some of these empirical arguments and perspectives of why we don't trust the system we live in You'd come away with the pearl that's inside, right? Which is a love for the truth. And I think boiling it down that's how I would sum up what the documentary is about is records the end of the age of the internet that allowed Flat Earth to be possible which so... It shows that the precedence of censorship which began first with Flat Earth more than any other topic literally its flat earth that caused YouTube to start censoring videos putting that little disclaimer

1:00:15 It was purposely brought up in a congressional hearing so that they could crank down on these flat earthers. Well, I understand that term really bothers people but even if you don't believe the earth is flat, I think a lot of people have more in common with supposed flat earthers than they realize and that's because in 2017, the censorship that happened to Flat Earth which is what I record in the documentary Is the same type of sensor censorship that happened in 2020 2021 with the plan demick censorship and. The crank down on channels that were speaking against the official narrative. And the men who were questioning back in 2017, like Rob Skiba standing in the back of room looking at the man and the white lab coat saying this is a picture of earth. And it's you know um and those skeptics that were grown during that beautiful time period when I was making the film where the same skeptics in the back of the room in 2020 2021 going

1:01:14 I don't buy it. Yeah, yes i'm not putting it in my body and so you know not to mention you know the faith element of it is You know uh there's a big portion Of the flat earth community that as they come into a belief about? You know the realm we live in being different than we have been taught in classrooms it opens up the possibility of a greater power, of God. And the love of... A revival of faith that was started, that little spark because of people coming from a skeptical scientific perspective having their paradigm shifted when they realize, oh wait I can't really trust NASA? I can't trust

1:02:00 this scientism that's being pushed as real science, then it opens up the possibility for people who previously completely couldn't even imagine the possibility of a creator or god or whatever. I know there's a variety of avenues that people would take, but my background...I grew up in the Philippines so technically I grew up on the other side of the ball if the world is spinning monkey ball hurling through space at millions of miles an hour. And so my perspective is kind of from that religious background because I grew up as a missionary kid and I lived in the Philippines where there were many, many different denominations of Christianity and belief. And full circle getting into the Flat Earth Movement, I found this kind of fringe

1:02:49 blend of faith in the scriptures, but not a dependence on the traditions and doctrines of men. It's kind of the whole paradigm that Rob brought in terms of his faith perspective. And I know you guys want to hear from the other side coming from like a secular conspiracy background, but it is a major element to Rob's whole pursuit of this topic which is his faith in the scriptures to reveal Ancient truths right and so throughout many different cultures religious, you know or not they

1:03:25 they have this narrative that the earth was flat under a dome. This is something that no matter what culture you look into, you'll find that they all had this consistent belief and so for Rob Skiba for myself or for what we do, We look at the biblical narrative as a more focus point you know, who is that creator? Right. And so that's at the end of the documentary I have several people talk about how Christians today look if you disagree with modern theory of evolution if you disagree with certain dogmas in terms of the scientism of the modern western world which there isn't empirical kind of answers and Genesis style looking

1:04:15 you know, sedimentary layers carbon dating. There's a bunch of big questions and so there are a lot of Christians that aren't flat earthers that'll look at flat earthers and be like, You're crazy but the truth is is you have more in common with flat earthers Then you do with the modern western scientific explanation of how we got here right i think that's a totally fair point i have tried to say that myself like that we agree up to ninety percent. Of all the bullshit when you rather spend your time have a beer with a guy who is aware of all those same manipulations and distrustful of authority in the same way it's like,

1:04:54 The enemy of my enemy is my friend. I'm not Christian, but when COVID happened where could I look for anyone who made me feel not crazy? It was the churches who were like, No we're not doing this well guys this has been very interesting We went all over the map But really the core of why i wanted to do This is Rob's story should be told The record should be corrected We need to get back To seeing each other just as people Not trying Trying to let labels like anti-vaxxer and flat earth or even woke or whatever it is Define an entire complex person. It's gotten bad in all different categories in all different parts of the spectrum So to me this was important to do for that reason But before I really cut you loose give the people your links, the promo stuff how they can follow you all that

1:05:46 material. You can find us Skiba News Nation on YouTube or website skibanewsnation.com We got some cool merch, it's not just cheesy Skiba News Nation merch but I promise i designed it myself but uh we're on every podcast platform yeah just look up Skiba News Nation Jake is there any other stuff oh Truth or Con 2! We're doing truth or con 2026 we're already getting ready for it if you want to stay updated and become a part of the biggest and the pinnacle of truth conventions, conference that kind of thing. Go to truthorcon.com and there's a place where you can click keep me updated and we will send you notifications and let you know when stuff is happening in the date that we finally decide. Can I ask you guys what date do you want? So we're kinda waiting back on those numbers. Well cheers to that yes! And thanks for taking the time Hopefully you come man hopefully

1:06:40 We get you. We will see, we will see I'll definitely consider it but thank you for taking the time to be here today thanks for having me on Sceba News Nation and Jeremiah my condolences for losing two parents in such a quick succession and for it all to be so wrapped into all this other stuff and have to deal with all the public Commentary on it just adds insult to injury. I just let her roll on my back Well, that's the only way you can be yeah and i'm sorry about your dad man It's not easy to lose a parent. That's uh, it's hard but it's all about what you do with your anger I believe in righteous anger so i'm gonna put it towards the cause that I agree with and that I want To put it towards And stay focused on that man Amen? Yeah, we'll just keep doing what we do All right Take care guys appreciate ya

1:07:32 Well, Merry Christmas right Hiresight Shatters? Keeping it light as always around here. I think the reasons why I wanted to do this are pretty clear despite our very different areas of interest It's hard not to feel immense sympathy for Jeremiah just on a human level Jake too he and Rob were very close To say anti-vax flat earther dies of covid we know that game. It's just like calling someone an antisemite for having legit concerns about Israel's behavior or why so many politicians have dual citizenship or where our money is going, it's a nuance killer and keeps people from learning more about the situation

1:08:17 Because, oh that guy doesn't matter. He was an anti-vaxxer he was a flat earther he had this one outside the box position well not just one but you know what I'm saying And Sheila's book is insanely detailed. She goes day by day and transcribes correspondence with not only Rob, but also the doctors as well. And I would say it was a bit cathartic reading through it myself with my own experience because these doctors talk with such arrogance and they know they're using terms and naming drugs that you have no idea about And if you even ask, what's that? They act annoyed that you would even speak up. They got their rounds to make! What are you doing wasting my time asking what I'm putting in your dad?! Shut Up!! Several times i asked if this or that had side effects Or I asked if something could be spelled out so I could look it up and there was always an eye roll and a smug tone As If...I was bothering them or

1:09:16 As if like it was inappropriate and annoying to want to know what side effects are for something. Whatever you know they gatekeep the doctors too, if you haven't been through this in a while so you only really see the nurses who don't know anything and then you get to see an educated doctor making the real decisions like once every three or four days for maybe 10-15 minutes And they have a jokey attitude they really got their routine down cuz they just go through these like quick ten minute. Meetings and it's just really sad and pathetic and that doesn't even count weekends either the service work days so you might see the guy on Thursday and then again on, choose there wednesday of the following week system s most of us probably

1:10:09 deal with it so rarely that it's easy to forget how badly it needs to change until we're stuck in a crisis, then oftentimes in mourning and then we just don't even want to think about the hospital hellhole anymore. And so it kind of perpetuates Where I live in Tampa is pretty rural and all around is booming with new construction. And I'm always crossing my fingers for a new farm to table restaurant or an organic grocery store, or even just a quality school something of use. And I kid you not half of the new things being built that take up a whole city block are just hospitals if I took some

1:10:54 pictures of the hospitals that are already up, you would be shocked at how huge and impressive they are architecturally. They look like amusement parks and now three more are going up just between my house and getting to my mom's And You know it's because they're just making so much money as mortality declines and life expectancy declines in malpractice remains the third leading cause of death It ain't hurting business. And it's like when you go in for a routine oil change and they find 10 other things that you need, the hospital loads you up on tests and scans etc., etc. and then tries to find some new drug that you might need and find a justification for it never really offering you much choice You see a person you love not really getting any better and just being stuck in this shitty room with nothing around

1:11:54 And then they say, whoops! We couldn't help him. Here's the bill I wish you would have told me you couldn't help him on the first day and we would've got out of here But then they build a new hundred million dollar hospital and the cycle continues And like i said quality nutrition options are nowhere to be found Only feeding the pipeline to the hospital that much faster It's disgusting and I wish there was a bit more of a united front in doing something about it But what can you do except pump up the alternatives? You know, that's really the only thing you can do with your money and attention is try to create a market for the alternative that. The mainstream loses access too, but my dad was drinking SEAC tea and he had Rick Simpson oil and he was looking at something called black salve which I've learned more about after the fact

1:12:51 Sounds like it could be good for someone if they get it fast enough, I suppose. But there's just no professional clinic. There is nowhere where you can go in the alternative world and check progress or alter dosage etc., etc.. So even if these alternatives work you would think that its okay to say that there are some guidance required But no, we buy shit online and we hope it's authentic and we self-medicate because that alternative framework just isn't there. In Rob's case he knew intubation was a bad idea but they wore him down they exhausted him it is like being in prison

1:13:37 I think we all consider ourselves to be pretty resilient, but after a week of being trapped and sleep deprived and guarded from contact with your own loved ones. Our will can be depleted a lot faster than you think when you're outside of the situation that's just the reality try going 72 hours without sleep and see how resistant you are anything crazy how quickly we fall apart without sleep So you know when you don't feel good and your in a shitty hospital bed and they come in every 3 hours for tests, and wake you up from the deep slumber. And there's no relief that is torture just to get a number on the screen I dunno well

1:14:24 When I had talked to Jeremiah and Jake previously, they sounded like they actually were a little unsure how natural and organic Sheila's death was. I don't want to put words in their mouth or try to make it into something it's not because they didn't really say that today but she was very dedicated to speaking out about this and then you just have her die so soon after is really sad I mean, that's why invited them on. I want Rob and Sheila stories to be told. I don't want them to just fade away." And Rob story is representative of thousands more COVID or not? Also, I think it's important to consider things like German New Medicine. The founder lost a son and then got testicular cancer and thought maybe there was a relationship between emotional state

1:15:20 That could be part of Sheila's story. I don't know, so what can I say? This fell on the holidays. I didn't expect that but it is a good reminder not to take for granted the time we have even with those who frustrate us yada yada yada What are we often frustrated by differences of opinion on issues We can't change anyway So much of it becomes hypothetical and arbitrary If you don't have an enthusiasm for life, you gotta go find that. Find more nuanced ways and more important ways to connect with the people that you maybe have to be around whether or not you want to make the best of it Don't spend all the good time you have paranoid and depressed and angry again about things you can't control That likely are not affecting you to the degree they're taking up time in your mind even though I just ranted about the hospital system

1:16:24 I really am not one to lecture or pontificate, but what really is there to do? But try to be your best self and enjoy as much of the ride as you can. And be proud of the person you lived as when it's over." So there it is. Rob and Sheila's stories are obviously the heart of this one in the plus show, we did go much deeper into Jeremiah and Jake's work a little bit about the flat earth sure. And the final experiment and the interesting stuff about the JFK assassination that Jeremiah has been digging up in this other suspect Jack Lawrence that I never really hear much about well

1:17:08 You can look that up and you actually find quite a few things. One thing ties into recent events because Rob Reiner made a 10 part JFK podcast series, and apparently he goes into four main suspects I believe, and one of them is Jack Lawrence but we also talked about some really interesting stuff regarding the Manson situation because Jeremiah also has Friendship maybe friendships a bit of a strong term but a line of communication with the current owner of the property where waco went down. So we talked about that and the insights that he told jeremiah about the real deal behind the manson thing and if you are there adjacent topics i thought we filled it out with several important things and again,

1:18:01 That was all secondary to just trying to counterbalance the cold heartless coverage of Rob's death. Trying to make him look like an idiot who died because he wouldn't get the shot, unconscionable saying he died of COVID even just again when it looks like he died of COVID treatment I just couldn't hear that not want to cover it once to make sure that Everybody who listens to me was aware of that and, uh. Check Skiba News Nation if you're interested in what they're doing or pick up Sheila's book if you want all the gory details I'm sure Jeremiah would benefit from that and higher side news. I'm getting more and more jazzed up for the new year it's hard to keep my mouth shut really but there will be an actual announcement in the feed right around the first of the year

1:18:52 I'm really gonna be changing up what THC is and what the monthly output is. But, I'm just going to move on before I ramble way too much about that. I want to get my words right When it comes to the review of the last episode My interview with Donut It's doing okay with a 4.5 Right around the middle Now I know those are from Plus members who, you know make those reviews. So they heard the second hour and the Chateau Mormont stuff and the tunnels in LA that to me was some of the most interesting stuff that came out of that episode but i actually think there's a lot to like really and just kind of one thing not to like but that's probably actually par for the course around here two hours is a lot of time to say everything right

1:19:46 I didn't realize his following was as large as it is either. dug it and check out the archives. And we also have a meetup calendar around here for the new people, and those who just want to reminder or need one podcast can be very much as solo experience having these fringe interests can also be isolating so we have an events calendar at higher side meetups dot com where anyone can make a local event at a brewery or whatever you're into And when I read these events out, it lets people know. Hey look there's an event near me maybe i'll go and check it out! And you make new friends... You expand your network.... And everybody wins! It does help me if I have the page pulled up in advance but here's what's coming in January so we got January 3rd Gilbert Arizona Desert Monks Brewing also January 3rd Canaan New Hampshire at Poor House Barbecue

1:20:47 January 10th, Raleigh North Carolina the Raleigh Brewing Company. January 12th, Rosedale Albany Auckland New Zealand at Bar Savannah and January 16 Michigan City Indiana at Burn M Brewing Great! Love to see the calendar getting used love to see people expanding their network and that's about it for me Let Jeremiah know if you were impacted by this. I'm sure he could use an attaboy and use some THC holiday cheer. Thanks for sticking with me, stay tuned for 2026 your move Big Pharma faithful condescending COVID captured in mass media psyops cedars your fucking move Do you feel betrayed? By the ones you're told to trust Well ya know you don't get much help

1:21:44 The ones that beat you up like a dog, babe We're just left to lick They say that it will be okay And I'll continue to seem to care The ones who come after in circuses Really is an awful trade But what are you gonna do? We see the crash is co-pathetic To the next collision Haven't even had time to heal So the cycle can make us cum after Much love lost in this place

1:22:43 They don't change, gotta change ours Make all the just wanna be comfortable I guess Easier to believe that cause it's all a dick and try to get We always have the number we never have the drive Sometimes have the mindset right Ration hard to truly go So again continue come back and learn from our mistakes