Jeffrey Smith | Secret Ingredients, Genetic Roulette, & GMO 2.0

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01:37 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man society would recover from its troubled times. From 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration we offer a- I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chats Hallelujah Hiresight Shatters doing the thing from sunny San Diego, I'm Greg Carlwood. And whether it's the hours sunk staring at the TV screen, the endless scrolling of our phones over partying under exercising or slipping up on our diet we tend to know exactly what we need to be doing to be our best selves but we struggle to stay committed and we convince ourselves that were going to be turning over a new leaf any day now

02:29 And the commonality between the aforementioned failings is that they affect us slowly over time, and we don't see the negative influence on ourselves until a pattern has really set in. But one of the easiest changes to make doesn't involve that much effort at all and Lucky for Us can actually make the biggest impact on your health motivation energy levels and cognitive function and that is simply committing to an all-organic, non-GMO, non-glyphosate soaked food supply. And despite what the producers of these foods in the captured regulatory agencies say or how their paid off media PR propagandists spin it

03:04 Like many things these days, the real science is pretty clear if you are willing to see past the sales pitch and take an honest look at the unbiased information we have after this decades-long experimentation on nature, the ecosystem, and humanity at large. Well wouldn't ya know it? Today's guest Jeffrey Smith has been laser focused on this issue for over 25 years now and he knows the data well! He's the author of Seeds of Deception, exposing industry and government lies about the safety of the genetically engineered foods you're eating. And Genetic Roulette, The Documented Health Risks Of Genetically Engineered Foods as well being founding executive director for Institute for Responsible Technology, founder of Protect Nature Now movement to safeguard global microbiome and man behind Live Healthy Be Well podcast

03:52 He's also an award-winning filmmaker with Don't Let the Gene Out of the Bottle as well as Genetic Roulette, which was awarded Solari's Movie Of The Year and his latest documentary Secret Ingredients which features emotional stories of families who recovered from serious diseases after switching to organic food. The film links GMOs and Roundup herbicide to cancer, infertility, autism, Alzheimer's, allergies, skin conditions, digestive disorders and other health conditions and motivates viewers to increase their commitment to organic. If you found out you were being slowly poisoned one drop at a time, how long would you keep letting it happen? Because you are and you do. But let's get into it! The corporate GMO critic good food guru and passionate advocate of the natural ways Mr Jeffrey Smith my man welcome to the higher side What an amazing introduction Greg unbelievable

04:46 Now I gotta live up to it. that it's fine, but it's not fine. And I'm hoping we can really make the case to people today because I don't think it's an overstatement to say that GMO genetically engineered foods glyphosate and the effects from this corporate food science cabal are maybe the most important issues of our time that are doing the most damage to the greatest number of people would you agree?

05:27 I think it is one of the greatest health disasters of our time, and I think that we can back that up with numbers. I've been collecting the data. There's a conspiracy of numbers that we are looking at from correlational data, causational pathways, clinical data and what i'm really hoping is that your listeners add some data points of their own by switching to organic and seeing what happens but i'll explain why...I think it takes a little time convince people to make a change that while it seems easy, it does mean switching out your brands sometimes depending on how you do it spending more money. But the results are simply remarkable. And you can't really compare real food to poison food. It's not really a fair comparison. It's a false equivalency I get this all the time about the increased cost and

06:26 It's like, well what are the costs of poisoning yourself slowly over time? You know. Well it is interesting in the film Secret Ingredients where we follow families and individuals who switched from a regular food or even what they considered to be healthy to organic, the turnaround was stunning We had people who were on the spectrum, kids are on the spectrum no longer in the spectrum. Dozens and dozens of infertile couples having babies with 100% success rate in this one clinic. People with energy problems weight problems gut issues cancer skin issues all these things

07:08 But as the doctors in the film, Secret Ingredients said these were not one-offs. These were not rare experiences. These were typical in their practices when they prescribed organic diets They even described how someone might lose their joint pain or autoimmune disease symptoms when they switch their diet, and then they'll cheat later on. Go back to the previous diet sometimes for just a short period of time and they watch their symptoms come back which makes it very convincing to their patients that it was diet related

07:43 And at the same time, we have doctors describing why GMOs and Roundup in our food and the non-organic food could be related to all of these diseases. And as we'll go through this today I'm going to list maybe 40 different diseases and conditions that are linked to GMOs and Roundup people may find theirs on there and that might be extra motivation but i'll also say this when you switch to organic I recommend creating a daily diary of all of the symptoms and rated 1 to 10 plus your energy level, plus your mood and the percentage of food that's organic. Because you may want to switch organic because you've heard it can affect seasonal allergies or help you lose weight or increase energy or clear your brain or improve concentration or maybe have kidney disease

08:37 a mental disorder, diabetes or menstrual problems or hormonal problems. You may be looking for one thing but unless you write down and pay attention to all the things that are going on, you may miss the fact that it actually changed and improved something that you never were aware was related to GMOs in Roundup. And we'll talk also about the science as to why these two particular culprits are so dangerous. Great preview! And that's also important for people to know you don't have to have some serious condition to start taking this seriously because a lot of it can be subtle. Mood, brain fog, irritability energy levels like you mentioned these are things that if you don't think about them

09:24 It's hard to really quantify. That is why writing it down is important, but to talk a little bit more about that autism thing... Man! This is just so incredible. Secret ingredients are really good watch you have this footage of children before and after, and it's pretty mind-blowing because you're watching it right there on screen. These kids basically test out of being on the spectrum and seem to be living pretty normal lives. Explain how that can be possible? Because a lot of people are conditioned to think that autism is like you get stamped with it and that's just your life now

10:03 It's interesting, in the film a pediatrician who has dealt with a lot of autistic kids, Michelle Pero, who has been named America's top pediatrician many years in a row. She says that autism is curable in some cases and sometimes it's only a change of diet depending on how severe Now, that's backed up with clinical experience but it also has research data behind it. A friend of mine Dr. Stephanie Seneff a senior researcher at MIT is an expert at finding patterns and causations and whatnot through big data And she was determined to figure out what was responsible using big data for the outbreak in autism

10:53 So she downloaded all of the physiological changes and psychological changes, all that from the research on the autistic spectrum. And told me that she at that time could tell you exactly why an autistic child would have particular symptoms based on the changes in physiology but she couldn't figure out what the environmental insult was that caused those changes. So, she had a very particular pattern she was looking for and then she started looking at all of the data on every toxic chemical that you knew was in wide circulation. Every time she brought it down and compared

11:35 She did not find a match. It could not explain the changes until one day she went to a lecture by another friend of mine, Dr Don Huber, a professor emeritus from Purdue and he was an expert on Roundup and its chief poison glyphosate. Stephanie said she sat at the edge of her seat for two hours because everything he said fit perfectly Then she started investigating on her own, verifying the hand in glove relationship and was astonished to find also the correlational data. So she took the evidence, the prevalence of autism of six-year olds and compared it to the amount of glyphosate based herbicides sprayed on soy and corn in United States

12:30 during the year of the prevalence and the previous three years. So it was an accumulation of exposure over four years, looking at the chart now. Now, the correlation, the line between the glyphosate applied and the autism is nearly perfect. The R value is 0.9972 a perfect correlation is one this is point nine nine seven two It was remarkable, remarkable how close it was. Now the epidemiological data is correlation but she had the goods on what the specific changes were in the physiology and we now have some research showing that the incidence of autism is higher among families that are working in rural areas where glyphosate is used

13:29 But I've also spoken to many parents who have taken their kids off of GMO and Roundup-laden foods, putting them on organic. And it's been startling how predictable the outcome is. I talked to one woman who said her son was about 80% improved And people would ask her, what have you done? And she said I took him off of gluten. I took him off of dairy and he's about 80% organic and then she would tell the next person My son is 80% improved and they'd say, why? And she would say gluten-free, casein free and about 80% organic. After a few days she started hearing herself – 80% recovered, 80% organic! Then she put the two together with kind of shock

14:22 and decided we need to go 100%. And sure enough, over the next few weeks it closed the gap and it was virtually 100% improved. This is just one person But I've spoken to many, and especially the pediatricians who deal with many. The people who attend the lectures at Autism One Conference with me or Stephanie Seneff or Kathleen DiChiara, whose in the film Secret Ingredients with her boy, who was on the spectrum and by the end is no longer on the spectrum. She's one of two families in that case." Wow!

14:59 Now, of course sometimes autistic people do not have that kind of recovery. And sometimes it's very interesting I had a 63 year old come up to me in the lecture and say, I'm autistic and I want to thank you because after I learned your recommendations and changed my diet it allowed me to come to this lecture. And that was about 15 years ago so I've been hearing these stories for a long time. And I can go into some plausible causative pathways between glyphosate and autism, and we'll discuss some of them. But what I'd rather do is go through the modes of action and link it to 30 or 40 different diseases so that we realize it's not just for those trying to prevent or treat autism, it's for those that are living life

15:52 Yes, yes. Well let's do that! Let's hit those modes of action and those 40 different diseases I'm sure people will find something that resonates with them Alright so i want to start with the charts the Dr Stephanie Seneff and another colleague created and published in peer-reviewed studies that show the relationship between either just glyphosate sprayed on soy and corn or also the amount of genetically engineered soy and corn grown in the United States, and that's correlated against the rise of diseases. So from gut issues... And it's interesting with gut issues I asked people at about 150 lectures what did you notice when you switched to non-GMO or largely organic foods? People would raise their hand and tell me something and I'd say okay how many people noticed this?

16:54 symptom set that was the most prevalent was always digestive disorders. And this was not just in the 150 audiences, but maybe a dozen or two of them were medical conferences where I speak and I asked the practitioners to describe the changes in their practice so they were representing 1-2-3 thousand patients each And again, digestive problems was number one. When I eventually surveyed 3256 people asking them if they got better from the 28 different conditions that had been reported to me during these lectures the number one most common result was digestive problems

17:39 But the number of people that responded was simply astounding. Of the 3,256 people 85.2% said they improved in their digestion and 80 percent of those it was either a significant improvement nearly gone or completely recovered so now I published a peer-reviewed study giving not only the survey results, but all of the modes of action and what we knew about the impact of GMOs and Roundup. And also something called BT toxin which is produced in some of the GMOs and its effects on the digestion so we could spend a whole hour talking about that but rather

18:26 I'll just read you some of the research that correlates with the slope of the rise with glyphosate or GMOs. One is inflammatory bowel disease, which is in huge proportions now deaths from intestinal infection and peritonitis There's also other problems reported acid reflux irritable bowel bloating all of these have been correlated In addition, there's a lot of liver diseases associated. There was a study done where they gave a tiny amount of Roundup to rats in their drinking water and this was parts per trillion and low parts per billion. And the rats developed a non-alcoholic fatty liver disease and it was clear it was caused by the Roundup

19:26 and there's about 30 maybe 35% of the US population has non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. And those that have the more serious version of it, they all have in this particular test there was a substantial amount of glyphosate in the urine of the people with the disease but those that had the more serious version of the disease had more glyphosate in their blood I've seen pictures of really gnarly livers of rats that were fed GM soy compared to those that were fed non-GM soy. And I interviewed a veterinarian who said that when he did an autopsy on a dead cow, it had been eating Roundup ready crops and looked like a bomb went off in the liver. So if you look at liver disease correlations we have deaths due to disorders of lipoprotein metabolism

20:22 We have liver and bowel duct cancer. We have hepatitis C, the liver is the main detoxifier and the detoxification pathways are hampered because of the mode of action of glyphosate For those that are interested, the cytochrome P450 enzymes could be damaged. And so that means that all of the toxins they would normally leave through the pathway of the liver may stick around longer and be amplified. So it makes glyphosate kind of a leader or king of toxins. It does the same in the cells. There's an Nrf2 pathway

21:07 detoxes the cells, which is partially disabled in the presence of glyphosate. So again the different toxins can damage the body now there's neurological disorders we already discussed autism but there's ADHD Alzheimer's deaths dementia diagnosis and deaths Parkinson's disease deaths, anxiety even suicide by overdose and schizophrenia. Now if we look at the mode of action that can cause it there are several

21:44 There's a gut-brain axis, we already talked about the digestive problems. There are problems with the gut bacteria that can lead to a lot of cognitive and neurodegenerative problems and the gut bacteria is damaged by glyphosate which is an antibiotic. And if you look at the changes that glyphosate causes in the gut bacteria... I interviewed someone who looked at it in a research study I went through the 28 different conditions that people reported getting better from and he could explain the rise of every single one of those conditions based solely on the results of the change in the gut bacteria. And one of the changes in the gut bacteria is that it blocks the production by that gut bacteria, of the precursors to serotonin melatonin and dopamine

22:39 And these are happy chemicals. And without sufficient amounts, it can create cognitive disorders and other problems like Parkinson's that we've just discussed. There is also a link correlationally to celiac disease, insomnia and sleep disorders. For those who are familiar with melatonin this is no wonder if there is reduction in melatonin that govern circadian rhythms and sleep There's also reproductive problems, including birth defects and all sorts of congenital heart defects and newborn metabolic disorders in genitourinary disorders. Lung conditions in newborns, newborn eye disorders, newborn blood disorders. Diabetes is correlated with both GMOs in the food supply end roundup

23:36 and deaths due to obesity. So some of the major diseases, there's also cancer. There are many reasons why GMOs and Roundup could be related to cancer. It can block the gap junctions between cells which is the way cells communicate. And one study showed a 50% reduction in that it also damages the sequence of the genome. Its genotoxic and also causes oxidative stress It also creates leaky gut, and leaky gut is linked to virtually all diseases that we've mentioned. Some think it's linked to all diseases period. There's also a study that shows that glyphosate in the presence of a metabolite or compound that's in the human body normally

24:26 increases the growth of breast cancer tumors. If you look at just the rise of the different cancers, you see it rising in parallel with glyphosate with breast cancer, with kidney and pelvic cancer, thyroid cancer and deaths from myeloid leukemia, acute myeloid leukemia we already mentioned liver cancer. Then there's deaths from hypertension, death from stroke, anemia as well as skin disorders in all ages except newborns, and then acute renal failure and death. There's a lot of connection between glyphosate and the kidneys, and also acute kidney injury, as well as lymph disorder so you can see that the particular diseases are

25:20 numerous, and then if you look at the personal accounts as to what got better When people switched to organic or non-GMO and largely organic, it was digestive problems fatigue overweight obesity brain fog anxiety and depression food allergies and sensitivities. And I'm above 50% response then we get to memory and concentration joint pain allergies gluten sensitivity insomnia skin conditions hormonal problems musculoskeletal plane autoimmune disease high blood pressure, many of these same ones and I won't finish the list. There are many of the same ones that have been reported with these epidemiological charts but when you feed the animals in research labs roundup or GMOs they often suffer from these diseases or moreover the precursors because the studies are typically short-term

26:18 When you take animals, pets and livestock off of GMOs sometimes put on an organic diet. You see these type of changes as well So we have plausible causative pathways that I've only mentioned a few There's damage to the neurotransmitters The hormone, the mitochondria The gut bacteria, the leaky gut, the inability to absorb minerals These are just some of them And then there's the evidence in the laboratories, and then there is clinical research from what doctors tell us. They're astounded at the results when they get from their patient population when they start suggesting an organic diet."

26:59 Yes, great summary. So many different effects from this and I even heard you say that a lot of the times food allergies and gluten intolerance are actually allergies and intolerance to the altered foods that might not be there potentially with the unaltered foods if they were just go for the natural organic versions of whatever they seem to be getting triggered by. But I also wanted to ask you about intention and just this idea that it isn't really an unfortunate accident, right? How much did these companies know and how early did they know it? I talked to a former Monsanto scientist. Monsanto is the biggest GMO producer

27:45 They're now owned by Bayer, so Monsanto officially doesn't exist except in our nightmares memories. I talked to a former Monsanto scientist who said that his colleagues had done research feeding rats genetically engineered corn and noticed some significant health issues in the rats instead of withdrawing the corn they rewrote the study to hide the effects Now, this particular scientist was very concerned about the fact that this was a short-term study. Monsanto typically uses 90 days maximum. He was also aware that the maximum amount of corn fed to the rats was far less than for example humans in South Africa and Southern Africa which eat corn as staple three times per day

28:41 Monsanto typically feeds a maximum of one-third of the diet to their rats as they're genetically engineered corn. People in Africa could be eating corn up to 70 percent, and in some cases 90 percent of their diets at times of famine." He told me he was very concerned about the impact on the Africans knowing that the rats had serious disease problems or health problems in just three months So it's an interesting follow-up. I was speaking to a veterinarian in the United States, and one of his clients was a South African farmer. And the South African farmer was complaining about the diseases that were experienced by his cows and pigs. He was losing money he had low milk production problems with walking in their legs and the pigs were like

29:40 biting each other's tails and had Alzheimer symptoms, etc. So he told them all these things to do and the guy said just tell me one thing and he said never feed your animals GMOs again so what this South African farmer did is he switched his corn that he was growing on the farm to non-GMO And when it came up he started feeding his animals non GMO and sure enough The problems went away And then he ran out of the corn because he hadn't planted enough for year-round feed, started buying feed from the marketplace and the problems returned until he was able to plant enough for a year round non GMO corn. But what the veterinarian told me was that the workers on the farm...and he needed 50 but he had hired 60 20% more because so many of them were sick all the time

30:38 headaches, flu-like symptoms really bad colds inflammation and many were down with sickness. He was spending a lot of money in medicines but the farmer told the veterinarian that about once or twice a month he'd be talking to one of his workers and noticed that the eyes were not tracking right they weren't moving in parallel And from his experience he knew that person would be dead within one or two days And this was going on for a while and he had no idea why. The workers were eating the same corn as the cows, so when he switched the cow's corn to non-GMO, the workers were eating now non GMO corn and their symptoms cleared up until he ran out of the corn. So the worry by the former Monsanto scientists appears

31:35 been validated by a group that was eating more GMO food perhaps than nearly anyone in the world. Maybe the only other comparisons would be other South African farms where they would eat 100% GMO corn from the farm because they ate a lot of corn as a staple and they weren't mixing it with non-GMO corn, as they typically do in the marketplace So the other thing is that Monsanto was very aware of all sorts of problems with both GMOs and Roundup, and ventured to cover it up. And attack scientists that found out problems, and to attack reporters that reported on it. I've written about this in my books Seeds Of Deception and Genetic Roulette, spoken about it in 45 countries

32:25 And it came out with such graphic detail in the recent Roundup trials where three sets of juries agreed that the four plaintiffs' non-Hodgkin's lymphoma cancer contributed to or caused by using Monsanto's Roundup. Now, during the course of the trials they were learning about how Monsanto became aware of problems and covered it up. They hired one of the world's best experts at genotoxicity who said, yes it does look like glyphosate is a carcinogen and you need to do these studies to see if the full roundup formulation is. And they didn't do the studies they hid the evidence that this guy had put together which was illegal and then they ghost wrote a review paper with the exact opposite conclusions and submitted that to regulators around the world

33:24 They had used completely fraudulent studies at a laboratory where the executives actually went to jail because it was so fraudulent. And one of those executives happened to be from Monsanto who went over to that lab, to help conduct the Monsanto studies and an example of how a Monsanto scientist does Monsanto science was made clear in the trial. And I've been studying this for a long time and I've written up all ways in which they have been caught red-handed, but no one seems to pay attention. But this is one of my favorites. In order to get their roundup approved they had to test the absorption level on human skin

34:06 So I think they typically would take, as others have human cadaver skin and apply Roundup and see how much gets absorbed. And they were dismayed because about 10% got absorbed and that's way above over three times the amount of legal determinant for absorption so they hid that evidence illegally from the EPA and instead took new cadaver skin and baked it in an oven then they froze it Then they applied the Roundup to this leather-like frozen human skin and found hardly any got absorbed. And that's what they reported to the FDA, and I've pointed out like with bovine growth hormone which was their genetically engineered cow drug to increase milk supply, they had a similar research that showed that discounted problems

35:03 by overpasteurizing the milk 120 times longer, all these things that they did. And it turns out the former Monsanto scientist told me that when three of his colleagues were testing the milk from cows treated with the company's genetically engineered drug they found so much cancer-promoting hormone in the milk the three Monsanto scientists refused to drink milk after that unless it was organic and one bought his own cow So, did they know about the problems? Absolutely. Did they try and cover them up? Absolutely. And it so angered jurists that the juries awarded huge punitive damages

35:43 including one jury, $2 billion which got lowered quite substantially. Another one 250 million because they were so angry at how Monsanto rigged their research and purposely caused damage to the people that they were feeding as customers. Another great summary and that was one of my favorite parts of your book, Genetic Roulette is just seeing all these ways that they do tilt the science and studies to get the results that make things look safe, that aren't. I mean one of the things it's just mind-blowing is the idea of trying to get a court order to seal safety studies for 50 or 100 years. That seems to be a common practice these days in the corporate science world but a couple other things would be

36:37 using highly variable animal starting weights to hinder detection of food-related changes, to keep feeding studies short to miss long term impacts. To use too few subjects to derive statistically significant results and to use rigged or irrelevant control groups. And those are just a few of the things they do that show intention, and show that this wasn't just an honest mistake. They were pushing this stuff through regardless, and they were going to do whatever they had to do on paper to make it look right.

37:15 So nuts. I mean, it's so bold of them to do but i guess if you've captured the regulatory agencies and You've got the media talking heads to endorse you It's not that risky well It's true they did have their own people in The regulatory seats that was clear in the EPA and the FDA And the USDA But it's also the case in India In Europe and the UK in Brazil, Argentina. Where I travel, I often learn about the makeup of these approval committees and how completely stacked they are by the biotech industry and there's usually a ministry that is bought out and there's often an agricultural association or farm group that's basically bought out receiving money from their handlers and unable to

38:10 They have to toe the line and promote the GMO myths. So it is true, Greg that was one of the funnest things for me to write in Genetic Roulette—the ways in which they rigged research. Another one of my favorites is they claimed to the authorities in Australia and New Zealand that their high-lysine corn has a new protein in it that has a history of safe use in the food supply because it's naturally found in soil. And so, because of that, it didn't need to be tested whatsoever." So my friend Jack Heineman calculated how much of that protein would if an average male American

38:52 eating the average amount of corn per day or is eating just Monsanto's high-lycine corn, how much of that protein would he be eating and how much soil would you have to consume as a comparator? Because remember, you didn't have to test it because it's in the soil. Well, in order to have the same amount of that protein in your diet, he calculated you'd have to eat 22,000 pounds of soil every second of the day. Wow! It's bizarre science it's checkbook science it's Monsanto science Right I like that nice tag and a lot of this stuff sounds pretty severe I mean you've mentioned a whole bunch of some of the most debilitating conditions people can have

39:43 But what do you say to people who might think, well I eat fast food all the time. Been doing it my whole life! People who live in these suburban food deserts and they really don't have a lot of other options and they say, Well i'm totally fine like all through high school and college I ate like trash and none of these conditions ever really affected me so I'm sure some people might look at their own experience and be inclined to think some of these concerns are overblown. What do you say to those people? Obviously, there's gonna be people that hear all of this and decide it's not for them whether they're feeling healthy or just lucky or they were attached to their junk food. I would say my first encouragement is try it for two three weeks. It's an investment

40:35 of time and attention, and do the little symptom survey we talked about. And see what changes you see in the survey that I did with over 3,000 people 52% said that they had improvements from brain fog now if you are experiencing brain fog every day it may be your normal your default You may not realize what its like to have a clear mind In the film Secret Ingredients, David Perlmutter who wrote Brain Brain and Brain Maker talks about how the brain uses 25% of the energy and that energy is produced from mitochondria

41:22 and the mitochondria get damaged from glyphosate. So when you stop consuming glyphosate, you have more energy and your brain then can have more clarity but 60.4% of the people we surveyed showed improvements over fatigue, more energy And when I combined them, the two reduced more energy and reduced brain fog and asked 150 audiences how many people noticed that it was always the second below digestive problems. So these are quality of life, memory and concentration 48%. You may not think that your memory and concentration are off par but if you switch you may end up joining these nearly half of the people surveyed saying it got better. You may think your sleep is fine with a certain amount of wakefulness it might get better as 33% said that their insomnia situation improved

42:23 Now, some of these diseases are long-term forming Alzheimer's, Parkinson's cancers etc. and there may be a cumulative effect but I also want to say that once you've made the switch and if you do it intelligently help perhaps from others who are already eating organic and doing it efficiently and effectively, less expensively than you might when you just start. It's actually easy to do but where it may cost you more money is if you just switch over to the same processed foods that you're eating now and just make the organic step. You may want to learn how to cook but even if you end up spending more money

43:09 When you think about food, you have a food budget and your health budget. And for those that are environmentally and health-minded for the world add also your philanthropy budget because you're contributing to the healthier world and also healthier farmers and farm workers which we can talk about. So in any case whatever the excuses Give it a shot for a few weeks, see what happens. See if it makes a change pay attention take notes and then you've tried it It could be the most important move of your life or it could be a non-starter Everyone's different Yeah maybe you were super genius and never knew because you never were running on optimal systems

43:59 You know, a part of this problem with the scientific approach in general here seems to be the basic premise that genes are like Lego blocks and you can just slide out some code and replace it with some new code. And this is kind of a faulty premise being used in several sectors of science but just speak to us about how wrong that is philosophically and practically too? You know, I'm going to introduce a new thing. You've read Genetic Roulette which was put out before gene editing came out and the myths that were propagated by the biotech industry was that genetic engineering was precise and predictable and safe

44:43 and they claimed it was overregulated, even though it's vastly under-regulated. Well now we know without compromise that is not safe, it is not predictable and its under regulated so they're coming out with GMOs 2.0 which is gene editing. Say, oh it's not even a GMO! We don't take genes necessarily from other species and put them in we just use gene editing to rearrange or cut out certain sequences in the laboratory Well, in both the cases of the traditional genetic engineering and in gene editing The process creates massive collateral damage

45:28 Hundreds or thousands of genes can be mutated, large sections can be deleted, reversed copied onto the chromosomes. Chromosomes can shatter in this new gene editing. In fact one doctor Jonathan Latham who was a genetic engineer said that the gene editing appears to be more problematic and more dangerous than the traditional so this concept that it's safe and predictable they get off of that quickly and start immediately talking about the benefits. And they can have better health, more nutrients and save water and feed the people... None of those actually are true so those are also myths being propagated but all those are really inconsequential when you realize that a process of genetic engineering causes all this damage

46:24 Now, one scientist who I wrote about in the first chapter of my book Seeds of Deception, Arpad Pustai who just passed away in December last year. He discovered and at the time the most comprehensive study ever conducted on genetic engineering he discovered that the generic process of genetic engineering is so disruptive it's so not Lego-like that within 10 days of his rats eating supposedly healthy GMO potatoes, they developed potentially precancerous cell growth in the digestive tract, smaller brains, livers and testicles partial atrophy of the liver and damaged immune system. And it was the process of genetic engineering not the particular engineered trait in the potatoes that caused these problems

47:14 and he realized that the same process that he used to create the potatoes is what's been used to create the GMOs on the market. But, the research done on GMOs on the market is so superficial and flimsy it would never discover these very serious problems that he discovered in his rats Well, short story was when he went public he was fired from his job after 35 years silenced with threats of a lawsuit. Eventually the gag order was lifted by an Order of Parliament. He published his data and it remains an indictment of the safety of GMOs. Typically any scientist that discovers problems

47:52 as a tact, including Dr. Seralini, French toxicologist who found that both the Roundup-Riticorn and Roundup independently end together cause multiple massive tumors early death and organ damage in the rats over two years that he was working with so there's a lot of evidence now that this stuff is dangerous and it's not just the particular intended change although that can be dangerous It's also the unintended effects. Right, you list so many in genetic roulette that these transgenes are just unstable sometimes they rearrange over time they can create more than one protein whether environmental stresses and genetic disposition can significantly change gene expression there is no one size fits all kind of approach here and

48:50 GMO 2.0 is a great term for the things I'm really concerned about in the future and the present, really but this CRISPR stuff A lot of people are talking about how we'll just engineer human beings from the ground up, however they want to be like going from the food just to the person themselves. And they're talking about it like it is some miracle thing. But of course, they're using CRISPR technology also on food to produce non-browning apples as if just an apple turning brown is the problem and as long as it looks good on the surface, it must be perfectly fine. We have GMO salmon that apparently was just approved

49:31 in some areas and that seems to be a unique problem in its own, right? And then I guess I would also ask you about this lab made meat trend. The Impossible Burger and all this stuff that's popping up. I guess the next decade seems like it's gonna be GMO on steroids and I'm just really concerned about these things that are going to be coming out and these future problems when we already have so much to deal with Yeah, it turns out after 25 years of focusing on the health dangers of GMOs and Roundup our Institute for Responsible Technology and my focus has pivoted to warn the world and make actual policy changes around the world on GMO 2.0 I'm happy to talk about The Impossible Burger and all those things but there's... And i think we should talk about The Impossible Burger But I want to put into context a bigger issue

50:28 First of all, gene editing is now so cheap and easy you can do it in your own basement with a do-it-yourself kit for $169. For one or two thousand, you can have a little lab that you can create new organisms every day What we're talking about is the potential assault on nature of unprecedented proportions where we could replace nature in this generation Of all the different kingdoms that are at risk The most is the microbiome, the microbials We know from the pandemic, and we didn't need a pandemic to know that microbes travel and can mutate and wreak havoc. Most people don't know that microbes can also swap genes so if you release a genetically engineered microbe with a gene in an Arkansas field to improve soil that gene may end up in the guts of children on the other side of the world, in the atmosphere, in the Sahara Desert

51:30 And the microbiome, the microbial ecosystem is essential for human and environmental health. And has evolved and co-evolved with their hosts in ecosystems for billions of years. If you introduce a genetically engineered variety and it meets certain conditions as it survives in the environment It could be cataclysmic In the film don't let the gene out of the bottle which is at the website protectnaturenow.com It's just 16 minutes, but it's an alarm bell that you may not forget! It talks about one genetically engineered microbe that was almost released... ...that if it had met certain conditions biologically, it may have ended terrestrial plant life Another one may have altered weather patterns on Earth permanently

52:27 So these are microbes that have been genetically engineered by well-intentioned scientists using state of the art information that was simply not taking into account the nature of nature. And because we now have the potential for millions upon millions of genetically engineered microbes, new ones and different ones to be created over this generation by virtually every future high school laboratory, Tinkerers by major corporations, by governments. We are basically rolling the dice with our future so we at the Institute for Responsible Technology and it protect nature now are building a whole new movement and so I recommend not only when you go to

53:17 Protect Nature Now homepage, you'll see right on the left a 16-minute film and you'll see right above you a donate button. So please make a recurring donation of any amount that you can afford even $1 or $5 whatever you can offer so that we know it's coming and can start hiring, creating more assets and opening offices around the world. It is a multi-million dollar effort that we're architecting and is something that deserves support because the future of humanity and all living beings are at stake Yes, yes. You are doing really impressive things across the board you do more in a day than I do all week and i'm just kind of an awe of your dedication and your passion

54:04 And it's like there is money and abundance in the natural ways for the farmer, for the rancher and for the customer. But you just can't patent it package it and export it. And that is the problem. Maybe it says something fundamentally about our model and some things that might need to shift. The other thing Gregg is that reaching farmers has always been particularly tough I remember back in 2002 I gave a lecture on GMO dangers in Iowa, and someone came up to me and said, I'm a writer. I write for a farm journal and I'd love to interview you and figure out an article we can do it and maybe freelance it for somewhere else." I said what about the farm journal? She says they never allow that. The biggest advertisers are the GMO companies and seed companies which are the same thing so

54:58 It's hard to reach them because the agricultural extension agents work at land-grant universities that have funding from the biotech industry, so they become basically extensions of the chemical and biotech industry in their recommendations. Farm media is generally bought and paid for. And in addition to getting the wrong information there are also preemptively insulated from people like me. They call those of us who are asking for more science, anti-science." So we are already facing a disinformation campaign that marginalizes us before we open our mouths and that's one reason why I haven't focused on educating farmers

55:44 in my 25 years as a non-GMO activist, I focused on consumers whose choices will filter back to farmer choices when major food companies start eliminating the GMO ingredients in order to maintain market share. Now with GMO microbes and GMO 2.0 we're forced to focus on government laws But I know from personal experience, laws can change and regimes can change. I was flown to Poland once by the Polish government and gave a press conference with the Minister of Environment praising their non-GMO position and a week later, a pro GMO government was voted into play. So we have to not just get new laws both domestic and international treaties. We need popular culture to pick this up.

56:39 academia, to have it in curriculum and policies. Everyone in the world needs to know that we've arrived at this inevitable time in human civilization where we can redirect the streams of evolution for all time and that gives a demand as you say, to become stewards of nature. To protect nature so now that we're coming out of the pandemic and We see the impact of microbes that may be the easiest set of laws we can create So again I recommend that people go to ProtectNatureNow.com Watch the film

57:15 Don't let the gene out of the bottle and then please make a recurring donation so that we can have wind under our sails. We're very small organization, and we've had a huge impact in the world That was tirelessly 25 years I've been working for 13 of them. I traveled six to nine months a year in 45 countries. We don't have the luxury of another 25 years, we've got to get this done more quickly. We've got to raise the money and build the staff and reach people whose livelihoods in work and missions depend on a healthy microbiome which includes regenerative agriculture which includes environment which includes oceans which includes human health invasive species even national security all these depend on protecting the microbiome

58:08 So we have our work cut out for us and we'd love help from your listeners. Look at that, what a pro! It's like you've done this before. You see where we are on the clock? You know it's wrapping up... But yes, just such amazing stuff today. Your knowledge base is super impressive and as you kind of touched on there we are in a transitional period in society so much is happening it seems like we're getting a full court press from so many different directions and my hope is that we can have a counter reaction and build a better world rather than the one that seems to be

58:49 attempting to be foisted on us. A lot of the things you're talking about are crucial in that, and just before we really do call it in—you've got so many things going on—the books, the films, the podcast, The Institute for Responsible Technology, The 90-Day Upgrade Program… What more should we say just in closing about carrying this forward beyond just this interview we're doing and actually trying to make an impact because as you said, letting the market decide was a good idea when it came to the food sector. But when it comes to releasing unnatural things in our environment that really isn't related to the consumer at all so we probably need a different course of action in that regard but yeah just wrap it up with the old support pitch okay

59:41 First of all, a lot of people got wide-eyed about the list of diseases and how to avoid them and all that. Let me just tell people organic foods do not allow the use of GMOs in Roundup. Non-GMO products can still have Roundup because Roundup is sprayed on some non-GMO products right before harvest so organic is better. I explained to people in a 90-day lifestyle upgrade, how to end up being a successful organic eater. We start with the film Secret Ingredients if you go to livehealthybewell.com You can see the film Secret Ingredients which will be the big motivator for it is already for people to become more organic than they ever have

1:00:36 And then to help people find ways to save money and save time, and learn about new brands. Keep motivated we have the 90 day lifestyle upgrade also at livehealthybewell.com We have healing from GMOs in Roundup with experts telling what people can do to help recover for rebuild repair detox. So that's it livehealthybewell.com At responsibletechnology.org, that's the mothership for our nonprofit and there you can get a list of products that are GMO to avoid what derivatives are there so that you can look out on ingredients if you don't buy organic as well as a list of the products that are sprayed with Roundup and what levels are sprayed. That's a quick reference and has a lot of information. For our new focus on protecting the microbiome

1:01:35 protectnaturenow.com, so responsibletechnology.org, protectnaturenow.com, livehealthybewell.com The Institute for Responsible Technology also has a Facebook page and an Instagram and we have 125,000 people right now actively on our Facebook. Instagram is growing please help us there by becoming a follower And once again I have had the great benefit of being supported in this activity. When I first started the Institute was when I published my book, Seeds of Deception and we didn't have enough money to pay myself so i did a pro bono and just survived on book sales and speaker fees but you know there's a certain life cycle to books so we had to pay ourselves a little bit to keep going and now I can say that it's been the supporters

1:02:35 of our institute that has allowed me to do my work without having to worry. And not only covering my salary, but we're creating films and we have a team and we have all sorts of plans now to protect nature from the onslaught of GMO 2.0. We don't have a regular source of income sufficient to meet our needs of expansion So I would love it if people liked our message and wanted to support us. Share this podcast, and share whatever you get by signing up for our newsletter or my podcast or Facebook posts. Please help get the word out because we are at this inevitable time in human civilization and we need to have a new definition for humanity and it starts individually

1:03:31 If we think that, oh this is all someone else's problem and they'll take care of it. That's the epidemic behind all of the inputs of GMOs. Countries think they don't have to face it because the FDA has already looked at it. The FDA says we don't have to test safety studies because Monsanto will do it and Monsanto studies are rigged or non-existent It's similar to that for so many areas. We have been trained to give away our power and authority, to schools, to doctors, to media, to governments and that creates the vulnerability for us to be manipulated by the corporations. So one of the most important things is to take back our position instead of being the victim, be the victor

1:04:16 And that starts with our own food. So we choose what we consider food and not what Monsanto claims, and it's enforced by their wing in Washington. Then we go with our information that we share. We may not have the time to spend a lot of time on this but there may be people in your social media networks that will not only spend time sharing this but you may save the life or health of their family So it's worth participating in as a team member and certainly as a donor if you can afford any amount on a regular basis. That is my call to action today, and I also want to say Greg that you are remarkably well prepared.

1:05:03 the knowledge base that your audience has. Because you, from my experience that I've had which is just this two hours, you do the research you get informed, you ask the questions. And because we had two full hours to talk I shared stories that i haven't shared in years some i haven't shared at all because i don't need to be lightweight in it because you're not being lightweight and i'm matching you on that so thank you for being that source of information for your listeners i very much appreciate it and

1:05:38 Yeah, this has been really excellent. You spoke about the income thing and just one thing I wanted to throw out there is that I would love to see people be half as critical of those making their money breaking nature and participating in the damage as they tend to be the income trying to do knowable, positive things. There's always such a criticism and it's like no we should be able to thrive and work on the good team! And it's just weird how that balance is off there when we are criticizing why a person is advocating for what they advocate for but

1:06:17 Yeah, you have been at it a long time and you are such a big part of the changing tide. So kudos to you. I do consider this one of the most important issues of our time. It's not as sexy or extreme as some of the other things we talk about around here but if we don't have our health and we let these people wreck the natural systems beyond repair what's left? So big thanks man keep fighting the good fight and take care out there. Thank you so much and safe eating everyone Wow, Jeffrey Smith one hell of a dance partner. A really great interview and very knowledgeable and dedicated to his little slice of the pie I love it My last comment there when we were wrapping up Really comes from thinking back to that Carrie Gillum interview where she even spent some time talking about the character assassination attacks that she's undergone from compromised publications

1:07:12 And yet I still would see comments after that interview about how, well she gets paid to tear these companies down so how can i trust her? And it really frustrates me because if you think the real money is in truth-telling... It's not. If you think your trust is better placed with billion dollar companies who have routinely suppressed data manipulated studies dodged lawsuits and paid big, big bucks for favorable coverage? You're so backwards. I don't even know how you found this podcast! Everyone's got to make money somehow and i hope the people who are throwing stones can look at their own income streams and feel comfortable that they're not contributing to any harm at all. What company do you work for before you start throwing shade at an independent journalist or a counterculture podcaster

1:08:09 or a whistleblower saying, hey these corporations are lying about the safety of their products. It's tough because a lot of our guests the ones who are trying to improve the world and call out the criminal class they get nitpicked on for one thing or another and that same scrutiny isn't applied to big corporations for some reason we've just accepted what they do I don't get the logic sometimes but as i say in the plus pitch feed the things you want to grow and starve the things that gotta go We have to support organizations that are fighting the David vs. Goliath style fight and actually trying to keep tabs on the gene engineering space because someone has too, and the regulators are compromised or asleep at the wheel And how scary is some of that gene editing environment altering stuff? This goes way beyond glyphosate yet we're still trying to win THAT little battle

1:09:04 I feel like some of the industries are pushing things so much further than any of us can even keep up with. It's hard to regulate or educate about something that people generally think is sci-fi fantasy supervillain stuff, but i'm totally on the page that genes are not like legos, that these things cannot be contained or handled with the sort of precision the perpetrators like to pretend they can be and no one's even asking for this stuff! How about we fix and clean what we already have? In the past, we've done episodes about how Native Americans engineered abundance before the colonizers came. And they didn't have a laboratory! They worked with nature and its principles to make more of what they needed. They promoted a healthy fish-and-wildlife population so that never had a shortage. When you get deeper into that stuff it wasn't just living off the land as its often presented It was high level design

1:10:02 of the natural landscapes, which is what I wish we could see more of and get back to. And maybe we will on the other side of all this stuff if they don't break everything along the way but really important interview If you ask me as you know there's always a second hour for those who want it sign up for The Hireside Chats plus at eight bucks a month and get five shows a month and some other bonus stuff come engage in the comments on TheHiresideChats.com website and get all up in them forums I don't just ask you for support, i give you the first hour as a proof of concept and then give ya twice as much show for it so hop on in. Let's keep the good times rolling todays plus show we got into why friends dont let friends eat the impossible burger The release of GMO mosquitoes very scary stuff and I did misspeak

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