Jay Dyer | Esoteric Hollywood: Movie Magic & Reel Rituals

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00:44 Alright, Hiresite Chatters. We know that from the printing press to the film reel mediums of mass communication have always been weaponized and used as the main vehicles for propaganda and culture creation And along with a school system dead set on churning out obedient servants to the management class movies and media act is the pacifiers that make many people just content enough with their life of servitude Well today's returning guest Jay Dyer has been picking apart the titans of tinseltown for many years on his website jaysanalysis where he methodically breaks down dozens of films to expose the hidden agendas and symbolism they contain. He also writes extensively on philosophy, geopolitics, history, conspiracy, esoterica and more, and we got him here hot on the heels of his great new book Esoteric Hollywood Sex Cults & Symbols in Film

01:31 It's a real treat to have him here once again. Jay, my man welcome back to the higher side! Thank you Greg always a pleasure I'm glad too To be back we had a really good time last time talking about science fiction and propaganda And i'm sure this will be equally as exciting Yeah man, I really loved that last episode I think we also focused a lot on Ian Fleming and The Bond films Interstellar was pretty fresh at that time too exactly And I also really enjoyed this new book of yours. Maybe a good place to start with that is that one of the first sections is called Film as Ritual, which is provocative but how closely related do you think film and ritual really are? How are they similar? Well the idea of ritual could be many things right? We generally think of it as kind of religious ceremony that has some connection to deities or divine celestial

02:26 And in modern parlance, I guess we've kind of disconnected the idea of theater and plays and acting from that milieu. But that's actually where it comes from if you go back to ancient Greece or the idea of Sophocles of Antigone of the theater was bound up with the idea of the gods and the stories of the gods. And same with Homer Odysseus, The Iliad all of that And so what I tried to do was kind of go back to that ancient perspective and get a window into that. And, uh, did an, a lecture, I think about a year ago or maybe two years ago on Plato's ion which is the dialogue that not many people are aware of ION is the name of the dialogue. And it's a conversation that Socrates has with some poets and musicians

03:22 And they're saying, hey Socrates like you don't know what truth is man. You think it's all this philosophizing and analytical stuff and its inspiration that's the true truth. And Socrates says no you guys are actually just kind of Dionysian madman. He says you're inspired by these spirits and conceivably, there is evidence to suggest that in ancient Greece they actually were perhaps taking hallucinogens and narcotics and things like this so it's entirely possible that those in the arts musicians and poets were under the influence of

04:04 drugs and so forth. So in that regard, Plato and Socrates basically say that it's alternate spirits, alternate gods, alternate other personalities or entities quote unquote, that are kind of inspiring this performance or this play or whatever. And when we fast forward to probably the most popular modern school or technique of serious acting that most of the A-listers are into, you get to the Stanislavski method which is the method acting of Konstantin Stanislavski who's like a Russian dude from about 100 years ago. And his whole idea was that you could through his craft or his methodology invoke and sort of take on these other personalities

04:55 So that's the perspective that I'm kind of coming from and looking at. And what's interesting is whether you believe there are actual alternate personalities or spirits or things people take on, invoke Entities that might invade someone's psyche or conscious mind or something like that whether you believe in that or not people do believe in that and so they will operate on that belief system and perhaps under the influence of drugs, rituals, ceremonies, magic or whatever that they're into. They may actually sort of go into this sort of furor, this kind of berserk state which is what Plato was talking about

05:38 So that's what I start with. That's why I started this film as ritual, because acting in the ancient world was ritual Yeah, man. I love it that idea that theater and the practice of acting out those mythological stories is like an attempt to draw down The power of those entities yeah It's a its deep stuff And it's like pretty out there I think for a lot of people But I mean it makes sense and do you think that there is a bit of that? Drawing down of the spirits going on in modern filmmaking as well Well, many of the A-listers are openly into method acting. So again I'm not saying that i can prove that they actually do it or that they're possessed or anything like that but what I'm saying is that they believe and act upon the philosophy of Konstantin Stanislavski which was occultic in nature and so he really thought that you could have an alternate

06:37 Persona step in and take over your persona, right? So that's that's the goal now whether they actually do that is I'm sure debatable But I mean how many times have we seen people for example if they have a bad trip Right in the story. Is that you know an apocalypse now Who isn't Martin Sheen right? I mean he's supposed to be really tripping when he goes crazy in that scene famous scene in Apocalypse Now so again This is method acting Yeah, it's crazy. I mean we've talked on the show about the idea of alternate personalities. This happens a lot in Hollywood and music. So many actors don't even use their real name which is kind of strange. There is no other field like that and then even within that you'll have a lot of musicians in particular who have

07:25 alternate personalities, which seems like a weird thing to do when you're trying to build a specific brand and you've done all this work to build up Beyonce. And now your Sasha Fierce or you've built up Garth Brooks and now your whatever his alternate persona was that he used very weird that they do that at all. And it kind of connects to this idea of being more of a vessel for various personalities are taking on various personas so I think you're onto something Well, a lot of people think that that's not real. And I will fully admit that in the case of though pop stars and things like that, it is entirely possible that a lot of is just marketing right? So maybe when there's going to be new Beyonce album or David Bowie or whoever they're gonna take on a new marketing persona

08:15 Ziggy Stardust or Sasha Fierce or whatever. So it's entirely possible that that is marketing, but I also have read a lot of books from psychiatrists and sociologists Psychologists for example there's one that's pretty popular called switching time And this is leave a psychiatrist several years counseling a woman with multiple personalities Now that could be fake. I've heard some good argumentation suggesting that the classic story Sybil was fake. But then again, the source calling it fake was NPR so NPR is not the most reliable source. So the idea of

08:58 splits and alters, and all this is very controversial and debated. And when you look at the reason why a lot of people dismiss it, the basis is things like oh, it's not possible because it doesn't fit with the idea of materialistic reductionist Darwinism or something like that. It's like, you know, the brain has just matter in which sense we're not seeing anything actually splitting under the microscope or something like this then it's not possible Well, that just is assuming that the mind or the psyche of the soul is in itself material which is an unproven assumption again based on a person's belief and materialism. However if the soul and the psyche exist then that opens up all kinds of...and it's not strictly material quote-unquote then that opens up you know all kinds of possibilities for what may actually be going on and I tend to believe that we don't

09:55 fully know and understand the things of the soul in the psyche. I mean, the Bible even says this in Paul's letters. Paul says you know Man doesn't even comprehend his own spirit So how is he going to make these sort of definitive so-called scientistic claims about what's possible? In the realm of the psyche Anyway, I would say that and i remember like even in college the first time i encountered this idea one of my first college classes was a psychology class. And we watched some videos on people with multiple personality disorder or DID

10:35 And I think it's to all appearances, it appears to be real. I don't see how all of these people could be all faking this. So I tend to think it's real now how developed that is in terms of can they literally call forth all these different persons through trigger words and keywords? You know, this is actually the plot of this new M Night Shyamalan movie which I thought was actually really good. Yeah split. Split and yeah when saw that I thought it was great. I enjoyed it. I tend to think that...I mean obviously that's a little bit Hollywooded up but if you read a book like Switching Time you know it seems to line up pretty clear with that and I would say that would be my suspicion as to what really goes on but do I know if Britney has multiple personalities? She acts pretty loony sometimes in that she looks like there are these different

11:26 Personas so I wouldn't be surprised in her case because i have seen some interviews where she does seem to act very goofy and change her personality totally right. I've seen people have freak outs on drugs were It's not just in freaking out like it appears to me that somebody else was was running that machine The ghost and the machine was Switched out. There were some other ghosts in there Yeah, I mean, I definitely think there's something to this for sure Again, I agree with you like it's about determining to what degree but yeah There's something to it for sure And uh, I'm curious

12:07 Do you see film being good vehicles for occult aims outside of invocation? Are there other things in that occult esoteric toolbox that are being manifested through film. Are there good aspects sure, I don't think all the films are nefarious or propaganda several chapters in my book are kind of lighthearted and goofy and satirical so they're not really to be taken too seriously. I think the Logan's Run and the Zardoz chapters are pretty, there is some deep dark stuff in those films but for the most part they're just kind of fun satirical sci-fi versions of Plato's Allegory of the Cave and I don't think those are necessarily nefarious

12:57 Fair points, but to clarify and I did say good vehicles but i don't mean good in a moral sense. But I'm more curious if you see films acting as useful mechanisms for other occult aims besides the invocation aspect we talked about. Other things in the magical toolbox, for example I sometimes hear people suggest that a major aim of mass media in Hollywood is to replace our imagination or to have us outsource our ability to visualize because they know how important the connection between consciousness and matter is, and that we can influence our reality. But not if they bombard us with all this filler from a young age! So I guess i'm really asking if you see other occult-related purposes for the Hollywood machine? Other than the entity energy drawdown aspect that you had laid out already

13:47 Okay i see what you're saying. I have seen my buddy john brought this to my attention john adams over host busters he said if you look at the book everything that title of it on top my head but i did look up a guy, gregory bates and who is one of the sort of mk ultra guys in the background he wrote a book where he did actually talk about capturing man's imagination and he saw that the need to control creativity and imagination was very important for social engineering because in my view this is really the function of disney right it's like it is all about quote imagination. And what they've done with disney has totally weaponize it to capture your childrens imagination, and really turn into a lot of dark social engineering things like

14:40 You know, they want to take your kid and take her from being Hannah Montana and turn her into gender fluid disgusting slutty Miley Cyrus. So that's the real goal of capturing imagination. Yeah man Disney is quite a force! And I really do enjoy when people break down Disney films sometimes it goes too far i will admit I actually checked out some of the songs on YouTube from that new one Mona and I guess The Rock plays a demigod character. I assume from Hawaiian mythology, I think that's what it's all about and there is a line in one of his songs where he describes making the world and at one point He says I killed an eel buried its guts sprouted a tree now you have coconuts

15:26 And I just thought, huh? That's a fairly detailed ritual description right there. Bit of an evolution from when you wish upon a pentagram and...I am being facetious but I've heard some researchers make a really compelling case that however small there is a very purposeful occult thread through a lot of those films. It's an interesting point. I haven't followed much Disney stuff or kids stuff in general. I tend to focus on more Well, at least in the first book you know that I did it was mainly things that I grew up with. You know Spielberg movies Hitchcock movies James Bond Kubrick things that I watched growing up in high school and stuff like that so but I'm sure that yeah you could definitely go a whole other rabbit hole into kids films and all the programming and stuff like that and but again I think of the main tool of what they do with the kid's films is promote

16:23 mindless sort of rebellion, promote well as you mentioned there and sort of the capturing of the imagination and turning it to really just the service of the system. I mean Disney for example was for a long time involved in promoting government propaganda and military recruitment that was a big part of what Disney himself stood for he had access to and worked at the Laurel Canyon Studios You know where they did all these secret Air Force films and so forth that I discussed in the book that comes from Dave McGowan's work. So yeah, that is a good question. Definitely the kids aspect is something that could be explored more but I've seen all kinds of dastardly stuff from Nickelodeon and MTV that I think is genuinely intended to have negative effects on your children. The whole goal with it is depopulation

17:14 Yeah, I mean it could be a stretch but i've even heard people talking about the sliming of kids on Nickelodeon being uh you know symbolic of semen. I mean that might be a stretch but i'm like that is kind of creepy too when you think about in that context But let's get into Spielberg a little bit You write about him a decent amount and Esoteric Hollywood breaking down several of his movies And if there were a larger semi-organized machine behind Hollywood, Spielberg would have to be involved. So when you look at the totality of his films do you see an over arching aim or agenda that becomes more clear? Yeah I think you could boil down like probably three major themes that Spielberg deals with he deals with Holocaust,

18:04 familial relations, and he deals with aliens. That's the three things that he is focused on so what I focus well as alien slash transhumanism and so forth. So what I focused on in my book was the alien and trans human myths and stories that he's focused on. And so he interestingly does have a penchant for Philip K Dick who i think his Very fascinating as a writer and character because you know if bill burke did minority report so there's a chapter on my report that i do the focus is on dystopia and how tech can lead to this. Not everything is over his bad i don't think it's totally nefarious or anything like that no,

18:48 I don't actually go after anybody personally or any of the directors. I just kind of try to decode the films and see what patterns and meanings i can find in the symbolism so what is Spielberg all about was, as said aliens and transhumanism? And I think those two things are linked for one because I personally am not convinced that there's like extra biological entities But I think that if you watch movies like E.T., and then you watch something like his version of War of the Worlds, the cold calculated scientific approach that the so-called aliens have

19:26 sure does seem to match up to the cold calculated scientific approach of the deep state and military industrial complex and international corporations. They have that because like, so at the end of Close Encounters what's it all about? Well they're stealing abducting kids and family members And you get the impression of the very end that they're doing some kind of genetic modification on these people. I know i giving them back to you like twenty years later or something and they haven't aged so the idea is all the quote alien overlords are working on a modification hybridization gmos

20:07 halting the aging process, you know all these kinds of things that we in the conspiracy world really believe The oligarchs are working on and are into So I think that's the real meaning of something like Close Encounters which actually kicked off the modern alien Hollywood blockbuster phenomena. I can't really think-I mean there was probably were alien movies no doubt many of them prior to close encounters but making aliens into a giant blockbusters, you know it begins I would say with if you don't count 2001 which i tend to believe 2001's about AI not so-called aliens but extraterrestrial beings. You get close encounters which is based on JL and Hynek and Jacques Vallee right this both of their works were kind of the basis for what was going on in Close Encounters and actually I believe Hynek

21:03 I found sources saying that J. Allen Hynek was actually consulting Spielberg on the set. So, yeah so i think that you're talking about people from the deep state who know about what the UFO phenomenon really is sort of consulting with Spielberg's putting out His version of it and you know then when you look at the tea i think he is actually about this idea. Ets come like a familiar spirit any other alien that's why is very strange bonded connection with elliot and you know when he gets drunk in burps elliott drunken belching

21:42 Right. Yeah, this is very weird stuff going on there but yeah man and this is exactly what I wanted to get into because I love that ET analysis and it's so interesting you talk about in the film ET you mentioned the shadow government researcher in the movie is named keys and that it's a reference to the key of Solomon and let's get into this bit what is the significance there? Is that message part subtly saying that ET is a familiar spirit or demon rather than space alien? I would say so because you look at what his so-called powers are and they again, they match up much closer to something like a familiar spirit supposedly then it does any sort of quote alien. It's almost as if Elliot invokes ET to come and they have this... it's almost like ET

22:40 Higher self or his you know sort of a holy guardian angel or something and I think there's a lot of bizarre sort of Crowley and dish imagery in the film to with You know the moon child and Elliot flying across the moon as a child this I think that's suggestive it's not definitive, but it's suggestive and So the Peter coyote character. That's the guy who's playing keys He shows up at the beginning and then he pops up later in, and he's actually this sort of mysterious almost angelic government figure who turns out to be a good guy because he's opening up all these scenarios. At least that's how I read it. And actually I think Roger Ebert says something similar to that in his book The Great Movies when he looks at ET. So anyway…it's a different take on ET definitely than what I have.

23:36 The actual guy, Peter Coyote interestingly was a hardcore Marxist and he was a big time sort of activist quote unquote in terms of Marxism and cultural revolution. So I think that's potentially suggest...I'm not saying he is an occultist or anything like that for sure but it's just interesting that you don't see this guy in a lot of movies and then Spielberg chooses him for this role? I don't know why but Ultimately, I think what ET is was the propagation of a rebranding of the alien mythology for a generation of youth. Right? So I was Elliot's age when he came out so that was targeted at people my generation and I think the goal of that was a rebranding of quote aliens not to be something nefarious or dangerous and

24:33 Some other worldly threat but something that we should embrace and when you get to my promise yes chapter what i argue is the reason that were being. Warm up to quote aliens for so long in why hollywood just constantly turns out movies like nonstop not just for blockbuster ticket sales it's actually think to sort of warm us up for the acceptance of a new global religion that melds better with Darwinism. And I think that, as I argue in the HG Wells Spielberg chapter in the book, I believe we've been prepped for this for a long time going all the way back to the science fiction and predictive programming of HG Wells. That's why Spielberg chooses things like War of Worlds

25:15 Fascinating, man. And I love that ET example. I remember when I was a kid you even note the fact that ET glows as maybe an element of him being more familiar and I remember when I was young, why does this thing glow? It just doesn't look right thought it was awkward but it makes the point that maybe it's a spiritual entity rather than something from space Yeah, and I think that the planetary connections we see in the film also suggest Planetary deities right and this is kind of how the key of solomon or ancient mythology would have viewed et and then the gods quote unquote. I also like the thing that you point out that the government agents arrive in nasa space suits in the movie and that is so weird why would you be in a spacesuit anywhere but space but it's in there,

26:06 Yeah, I've always thought that was odd. And so how do we read this? How do we make sense of this well once we have a broader perspective of things like Kubrick and We realize that Kubrick was working with NASA which I touch on in the book Mm-hmm and you know if we've seen the work from let's say Jay Widener on Kubrick and moon landings in that theory I think that especially given the fact that Spielberg took over Kubrick's script a i changed it to aliens and stuff like this which i don't think was an original story there's some nods in crossovers between spielberg to cuba. And i've always just wondered if that wasn't some kind of not or,

26:52 hint that the moon landings and Apollo and all this kind of stuff is not what we are told. When we look at other nods in instances in films, that I touch on the book like Diamonds Are Forever well there's a scene where you know James Bond runs onto a movie set where they're filming The Moon Landing. I love it, man. And you also even note the similarities in titles between E.T and that Kubrick-Spielberg collaboration of AI and you say that it could be a mystagogical code for the origins of advanced artificial technology as channeled from interdimensional alien gods. Great

27:36 Great sentence and I love that idea. I've been hearing it more and more that technology comes from connections to entities like Prometheus bring in a spire Is that your impression of where a lot of technology comes from some type of occult workings? I do think that's possible And that's I believe that not just because of you know, some kind of weird thesis or something I dreamed up but actually when you go into the history of philosophers for sort of pioneers modern technology. You can look at characters like Descartes, you can look at somebody like John Dee was of course interested in alchemy and things like that too but Leibniz GW Leibniz the famous continental philosopher who's the co-founder of calculus with Newton Leibniz was very interested in Alchemy and the esoteric and metaphysics and things like this and Platonism

28:30 And he is one of the formative figures, kind of dreaming up the possibility of a computer or a logic machine. So there's always been in Jewish mysticism, the idea of the Golem which is creation of every robot being or synthetic human and so I think we have nascent in the mythology A lot of hints and primeval I mean, you could almost argue that's kind of predictive programming like ancient mythology right? It is almost a kind of primeval predictive programming for what is possible with technology and alchemy. So I know that might be debatable and people might howl at that and think that I'm crazy but maybe it was just his own clever insight but how was Leibniz dreaming up the possibility of a computer back in the 1500s

29:28 Mm-hmm. How did you know Da Vinci was like sketching out? Helicopters and stuff, right? I mean right where do our ideas come from we don't really know We don't know that's what I'm trying to say And that's why I was getting it earlier about the psyche and splitting of the psyche You know That is that I hold that out as a very likely thesis much more likely than the Darwinian reductionist thesis because you know, we don't even know What the source of our? Stream of consciousness thought processes, right? So how are we going to make these sort of definitive claims about oh It's absolutely impossible that there is a spiritual realm or you know that we could receive

30:08 the impressions of ideas or creativity from those kinds of sources. Right, I mean the idea of The Muse goes back as far as artists? Yeah So it's interesting man and to talk about AI a little bit more it came out in 2001 probably for specific reasons but do you see its messages and themes becoming any more poignant in the decade plus since the film was made? Absolutely yeah that's kind of why I chose That one just to be in the books and there was probably 90 to 100 film analyses I had to leave out. Maybe they'll make up, you know part two or three or something but that one I chose because it fit with the theme that i was looking at from Spielberg You know transhumanism and synthetic future and all this kind of stuff a synthetic dystopia basically And so I argued that AI is a kind of

31:07 transhumanist fairy tale that what he's done is taken the Pinocchio myth and reformulated it for modernity. And again, this was taken from Kubrick. This was actually a Kubrick screenplay that Spielberg took over and altered And of course, adding in aliens and anything with Spielberg's gonna have aliens in there. But it functions I believe on multiple levels so it's not just about the possibilities of AI It's also In a nefarious sense if you notice the David character the AI character he's always He's portrayed as this sort of Edenic innocent

31:46 I mean, he is the future of quote humanity but he's humanity 2.0 we make him in our image right? It is kind of new gods or new creators and I'm sure everybody has seen the film so you're aware of the fact that humanity dies out right and the film begins with this sort of eugenics green agenda 21 type message the earth has been flooded from global polar ice caps melting or some nonsense like this. And there's only these kind of sparse human communities and the bots are persecuted, and so Spielberg has the bots put into a lot

32:25 Holocaust type scenarios and narratives where they're being they're being trucked off in carts And you know, they're taken to the flesh fair which is this Dante's Inferno style torture scenario Yeah, and so what I'm getting at here is that they're treated as the new civil rights victims now 20 30 years ago. Nobody would have believed it possible everybody would have laughed if he had said we're entering the phase in the near future where bots and cyborgs and transhumanism, people who get body mod and all this kind of stuff. That's actually going to be a new civil rights slash human right or cyborg court right? Right now that is now being discussed. This is where we are going that is going to be what we talk about in the next decade 20 years

33:18 There will be, I'm not joking. So we went from racial civil rights to gay rights and then the next quote civil right is going to be related to transhumanism and maybe I'm forgetting that like bestiality or something like that's gonna be bestiality pedophilia that will be discussed as a quote right? And make no mistake about it you heard it here on our side chats transhumanism and cyborg modification will be the next right And all of that, I think is being predicted and projected in displayed in AI. And also in Ridley Scott's Blade Runner which is another chapter on the book. And there's also quite a bit of Kabbalistic influence in AI too right? Absolutely this whole idea of word magic and this is something that I did touch on too yeah...I forgot to mention themes in Spielberg you mentioned themes well

34:13 Language and meaning in interpersonal communication is a huge aspect of Spielberg. That's why if you remember Close Encounters, the aliens don't know how to communicate with us so they have to eventually use sound and they decode the sound. That becomes the form of language but The Lacombe character, who's played by Francois Truffaut the famous French director is based on Jacques Belly and he decodes this message. The way that he decodes it is that he hears a bunch of Hindus singing this sort of chant and if you study how Hindus

34:52 View their chance they actually view it as a ritual indication and so when you hit certain frequencies, they believe through sound. You're actually harmonizing with the wavelength where those gods reside? So what's weird is that the Chant that they're actually putting out is I yeah, which is very close to the tetragrammaton or Yahweh right? Hmm and of course Spielberg being Jewish and being Aware and then I would say obviously familiar with Kabbalism. I think that's where he's coming from That's the vantage point He's coming from it so then that's where you get to the arguments that I make about things like

35:33 using a period I period and then using e.t. period right these are done on purpose because letters are symbols and they also have a lot of different meanings in Gematria or They can stand for different things in different schools of Kabbalism So where were we after that? Where were we talking about kabbalism or kabbalism in AI oh well, so there's word magic in AI when His mom, David's mom says these magic words that give him consciousness. Now I think that there are a lot of different things you might could read from that. I would tend to stick it in the Kabbalistic narrative because this is the idea of The Golem and this is Jewish mysticism and the idea of that you could use different Hebrew sounds and words and symbols too in a way

36:26 be a theurgist or be a creator and cause life quote unquote to be. Right, she also touches buttons on his like chakra points too doesn't she? Yes that's a great point! She touches the back of his neck I think if i recall and then says the magic words and he supposedly is quote conscious so now I don't believe that actually we will ever create a conscious being like that...I think it'll always be synthetic they will always be in some way a kind program, anything that you program is only going to do what it's programmed to do in my view. But I do think that AI transhumanism and all this stuff is developing to the extent that people will believe that its conscious and that it's alive and that thats how they will sell it as a new civil right. And then old humanity, old man will be declared obsolete as they promote the new man, The Bot

37:26 Yeah, man. I think this is so interesting especially this idea of sci-fi movies like E.T., and Close Encounters, and War of the Worlds This idea that they have cemented a lot of our thoughts about space and aliens in culture even moreso than real science has And maybe it is to get us to accept demons as cool via the alien skin But um...I've also had some guests who are pretty far out there and in the flat earth territory, and they would say that Hollywood and NASA CGI is where we get our ideas of outer space when really were stuck in a snow globe. And I don't think you're a flat earther but if space is largely like it's depicted in films are there other aspects that are being manipulated? Is it just the alien demon thing or do you think there's more to that sliver of the pie? I don't believe that

38:19 We really know what is out there. I think that there's a lot of different theories and just like with the psyche, you know people try to have these definitive declarations and pronouncements about what exists and what's possible And what's not possible? Mm-hmm, and they really don't know and I think that's a big part of the system is giving the impression That they do know a kind of confidence game Yeah, when they don't know I mean yeah a lot of things we do know in terms of science But I believe that real science and real Advancement in those regions those areas comes about and things like technology and engineering computer science all that stuff's real NASA is a PR front under the ages of the Air Force so their number one job

39:10 That is the military is lying to the public. That's what psyopsis Yeah, so you can't believe any of these declarations from NASA and just look at the fact that NASA on one hand Promotes aliens and then turns around and tries to present itself as this totally scientific organization But it's not it's a PR front its intimately tied with Hollywood. That's why Ridley Scott was talking about how his movie Mars was released in tandem with NASA's supposed Mars discoveries, you know when that last Matt Damon movie came out whenever that was like a few months ago. James Cameron sits on the board of NASA directors. Why is this Hollywood director sitting? I mean i think that's all suggestive of deception. I don't believe in the flat earth because of the fact that you can fly from Santiago to Sydney

40:02 in eight or ten hours, or so. Something like that which is impossible on that goofy flat earth map I don't think that...I mean the entire military and GPS and logistics would all be off everything would be working all fucked up if the Earth were flat My dad was in the Navy he sailed around the globe So I think it's a whole bunch of psyops and ridiculous deception In my view I'm fine with people questioning things. I would tend to think that there's a good case to be made for geocentrism, you could argue that one but no i don't believe that we live on a pizza crust. Yeah it is interesting because if Hollywoods big aim is to kind of control the way we think or

40:46 make us feel confident about what's beyond our atmosphere. Yeah, I just wonder if it's different in any way than what's depicted in the movies? We might never know. Well, I do believe that. I do believe it's different that we're told in movies but I think Hollywood had its main Goal or role in this regard in terms of promoting things like Darwinism and you say well There's not that many movies that promote Darwinists actually all science fiction movies do Almost all of them across the board 2001 a space odyssey is a gospel of darwinism So I'm very I'm very critical of that in the book and I don't approach Darwinism as most people Do just from like a list of arguments. Are they read online or something? I

41:35 approach it as a philosopher. That was my, you know grad training was in analytical philosophy so I philosophically critique Darwinism in the book and I try to argue that you know when you look back at figures like HG Wells who is this committed Masonic socialist Marxist committed Why is he the guy who's promoting, you know the new global revolution through science through evolution? I mean these people are committed liars Yeah openly so I think that's suggestive. I mean nobody I think you could argue Nobody else has had the impact on science fiction and science fiction films by extension

42:14 to the degree that HG Wells has. Right, I'd agree with that and uh i don't know if you've seen Stranger Things on Netflix but yes I did it I did a lengthy analysis of it yeah oh nice well what's kind of interesting about that in this context is it invokes all those 80s sci-fi movies like E.T. and Close Encounters but yet it's very clearly about this being this entity brought through a portal via MK Ultra torture so Yeah, if anybody's interested they can go to Jay's analysis and I think there's an audio thing that I did and a pretty popular Written piece that idea that I don't got about 20 or 30 thousand views on that. So it did really well It's worth checking out. Oh yeah, and what I argue is that its

43:00 It combines Kabbalism and it combines the idea of other dimensions portals all that stuff's kind of obvious but what I found fascinating to begin with was that What sparked this in part was a lot of people in Hollywood? Wanting to play Dungeons & Dragons believe me. There was an article they came out, and oh, I don't know MTV or den of geek or one those pop culture sites that was talking about how The Rock plays D&D. Weird? So you were talking about The Rock earlier, and I'm not making too much out of that but you wonder like we were talking about with actors now i understand that D&D is a game...I used to play D&D when I was in high school. I know all about how it works and all that but isn't it interesting as you were saying earlier with the idea of bringing down the gods or something could also be something where people believe they are

43:57 You know, really tapping into something. Yeah and that's the thesis of You have stranger things is that did they sort of unconsciously tap into this portal this realm through the D&D game? Yeah now I don't I'm not approaching this like a fundamentalist and saying that oh if you play D&D you're gonna like open up the gate to hell Anything like that, but it does pose an interesting question Can we meddle with and tap into forces are beyond us so we don't understand. Yeah man It's interesting So what about let's another movie. Let's talk about the Goonies another Spielberg movie seems pretty simple and innocent enough on the surface But there is more when you dig deeper, right? Yeah I didn't make goonies didn't make it into the book but I wrote her analysis of it about a month ago And it was just one that had always been You know intending to get too and I never really got to it until I was reading

44:52 Fritz Springmeier's book, I read it like 10 years ago and kind of forgot about it. And then got that back out and I was looking at that and his chapter on the asters made me think now wait a minute Goonies is about Astoria So I read all of Fritz's chapter which was fairly well sourced and then watched Goonies again and I low and behold noticed the whole bunch of things I'd never ever noticed before The first of which would be That when you Look into the actual documented history of John Jacob Astor and the Aster family all of that stuff is true He was a high-level Freemason Grandmaster of a New York Lodge. I believe he took his occultism seriously, but it was also High level drug trader hmm so that's all true So the stories of him going from the fur trade to the drug trade through shipping

45:48 That's all true. And you can find the public documentation of all that, right? Damn! Which I linked in my article so that was interesting so i wasn't sure how to read that in light of Goonies but then when I re-watched it You notice that The Goonies are kind of going on this sort of national treasure Nick Cage type journey To decode the Masonic history Of their city Yeah! Of Astoria and thats what they do And they discover, oh actually we're founded by a bunch of scallywag pirates. Now so how is that relevant? Well as we know from you know people like Jordan Maxwell I mean the Jolly Roger flag is the flag of skull and bones because it's the flag of we're not bound by any of your laws. We're transnational

46:35 So when Skull and Bones, the OSS and these people took over that Jolly Roger symbol they were saying we are internationalists. We will run this drug trade outside of your national laws we're not bound by any of your stupid rules. We are the true elite outsiders And so what's funny and ironic about Goonies is that the Goonies are going to have their houses all foreclosed on in a was a country club is going to be built golf course. Right? And so they're the outsiders who actually discover the jewels and then you know, they're able to save the family and all that kind of stuff. So it's just ironic that they are the alienated outsider youth like identify with the pirates

47:23 When they decode the big Masonic myth of Astoria, they find the treasure and they're able to you know... well presumably their wealthy I guess because he still ends up with jewels like a bag of them if you remember at the end. So anyway i just saw all that weirdness going on that's how I read it and there's also some weird kind phallic references in Goonies, which I'm not sure what to make of. But yeah when we think about that in light of what Corey Feldman said you know? I don't know. Absolutely! That was something I was going to ask you about later on it was

48:06 Pizza gate kind of because child pedophilia in Hollywood has been a theme and Conspiracy for a long time not only claims of passing around child actors But also having underage kids play prostitutes and stuff like that. Yeah, the political and Hollywood elite are very interrelated I'm curious what are your thoughts on the pizza gates scandal or Hollywood's role in the abuse of children? yeah, I think it did three or four audios on Pizzagate so If anybody wants like a fuller breakdown, they can check those out. But yeah I mean i think that it was pretty clear that there was some kind of black market operation going on that dealt with perhaps at least gay prostitutes or something like that. That's very popular in the DC scene and that would also be connected to things like cocaine and drug use and all that and code words so I know all arguments about

49:05 You know what all the code words mean and all this kind of stuff but I don't know if there's definitive proof. And you know that could have been intentional they could have put something out that wasn't definitively proven, but what you can prove is You know, Laura Sillsby did get in trouble for going to Haiti and trying to bring a bunch of kids out of Haiti. You can prove that and you can prove that she was connected to the Clinton Foundation. You can show that John Podesta made a lot of weird statements and what does it mean when they're talking about hot tub? Yeah. Pizza and hot tub!

49:47 It's hard to say exactly what definitively what it is, you know. Was that a plan to sign off the alternative media? I don't know but ultimately we don't need quote Pizzagate to know that this kind of stuff is true because there was like a dozen other cases of the exact same thing. So I'm not saying by admitting that, I don't know exactly what the situation is that it's not true. I wouldn't be surprised because there are so many other cases we've got Savile, you've got the Dutro affair in Belgium, you've got Franklin cover up Craig Spence, Johnny Goss, The White House and there's like a whole slew of other books that you could find about this kind of stuff to pedophilia in the Catholic church William Kennedy's book Lucifer's Lodge

50:32 Malachi Martin's books have talked about it. I mean, there's just book after book after book that have already dealt with this matter right and And I agree with you that you don't need Pizzagate, it's just kind of one example Of a theme that seems to be there for sure. A lot of times You can get a better beat on things by looking at the aftermath and it wasn't really until that shooter went into Comet Pizza where I was like Oh okay So you put out a lot of smoke That's unprovable You then do a false flag Where a guy goes in with a gun and then you say okay We got to crack down on these alternative news sites because conspiracy is dangerous now. It's not just goofy and wrong, it's actually dangerous to even discuss stuff that doesn't come from CNN MSNBC so I totally see that being a possibility for the agenda there Yeah and i'm not...I'm just..and I totally agree like as a thesis you know what I mean? Like I could see that thesis

51:28 I could also see the thesis that this was a real operation going on, you know with all the worst stuff imaginable. Yeah But I just don't personally know we but what we do know is that you know There's court cases involving Epstein and his island and all the Clinton trips gone You know the Epstein pedophile plan and little st James. I mean that that's known of course Man, so we've talked about this idea that themes in film can give us an idea of what might be coming even a decade beforehand sometimes. Are there any newer film trends you see coming that concern you? Yeah let's see I was trying to think of what sci-fi type things have seen recently

52:17 That hinted at that kind of stuff because yeah like i said I think you when you look back to something like a or minority report you know i can my order port your sing. Target advertising and retinal scanning all that kinda stuff that was new two thousand one or two all that kinda stuff we're seeing more prevalent now right and so in a i u c sex bots this is all in the news now right there rolling out the sex bots this was an enemy of the state it wasn't it wasn't a it wasn't blade runner some replicants are sex bots so i'm trying to think of recent sci-fi movies that have seen that might have new aspects of predicted programming but off the top head actually can.

53:08 Well there's you know the two new star wars movies i guess we already talked about arrival. I haven't seen a lot many sci-fi movies in the past year to either yeah and i think as i said like arrival and start tracking these kind of just have the more, globalist minded propaganda anyone that supposing if u can be mentioned rank corporation earlier rank operation direct connection to star trek they were into some of the rain corporation people are involved in brainstorming ideas and based on stuff that was in Star Trek you can find papers on that at the RAND Corporation so I'm not making that up. And what's the whole idea of Star Trek is well we've got to have a federation, they can rule all these unruly independent existing people groups right? That's just globalism 101 and Gene Roddenberry would actually talk about it openly he would say I am for global government we gotta have new world order this is only way to do things

54:07 You know, the way we do this is to get rid of all these people thinking that there's a God and that they have their own traditions. That's all just got to be wiped away and we'll have you know the holodeck. Well there ya go! So Holodeck and VR...that's what coming. Yeah I was trying to think about other movies. I saw X-Men Apocalypse. I thought that was pretty interesting just because the apocalypse character talks about being something ancient, like there's a character who asks who are you and he's like Elohim Ra I've been called many names over many lifetimes. I am born of death I was there to spark and fan the flame of man's awakening To spin the wheel of civilization And when the forest would grow rank and needed clearing for new growth I was there to set it ablaze and I think that's pretty awesome dialogue But it's also pretty interesting

55:05 Yeah, actually. I'm glad you mentioned that because I have written on Avengers and Marvel stuff and X-Men is on my list to get to actually but if you go and read my takes on Captain America and Avengers and all that i think there's three or four articles I've done on those it would be kind of the same themes because like if you saw X-Men first class that was crazy cause they're working with the CIA they are a CIA project which is just mind blowing So all that's revealed and I do think there is true to this you know the whole super soldier idea. I have Chris Knowles book it's pretty good so i'm glad you referenced him but, i just haven't seen apocalypse yet but i didn't know what to even...i was lost actually in the last x-men before that where they went back into time

55:56 JFK era, what is going on here? They're interacting with Nixon and JFK in alternate timelines. It just kind of lost me in the confusion and I didn't think it was that great but you're absolutely right to point out X-Men and Marvel because they are just rife with everything. All I can say is check out my analyses on those movies at Jason Alces Yeah, and there were a lot of bombs when it comes to sci-fi in the last year. There was the remake of... I mean the sequel of Independence Day. There was that movie that i thought looked interesting Gods Of Egypt That Was Apparently Terrible So The only one I've heard that was good but haven't seen is The Fifth Wave I've heard that has some pretty interesting stuff because the first four waves are like

56:48 first they create, you know if there's an alien invasion and there's five waves of it. The first wave is create darkness then widespread destruction then infection then invasion and then the fifth wave is actually once the planet is in its weakened state then you swoop in and just take it. Interesting yeah actually I did see that movie advertised but I didn't actually watch it and the reason for that is What I'm having to do right now is prep for the TV show that Jay Weidner and I are going to do. And we're working on the first season, it's gonna be 13 or 14 episodes of first Ridley Scott then David Lynch movies in Spielberg then Kubrick than The Matrix and The X-Files Christopher Nolan movies James Cameron Roland Polanski Vaughn Twin Peaks True Detective Godfather Da Vinci Code. Then we're going to do an episode called Gnostic Cinema which is

57:45 Snowpiercer, Westworld and Dark City. So what I'm having to do right now is in this...I just got this information a couple days ago so i don't even have the time really to like watch the fun movies that want too. I have to sit and re-watch all of these over and over and kind of plot out what we want to do with each one of these episodes and where we want to take it. That's what I've been working on and our show will be running in April on Gaia TV Very cool. That's exciting! Well, right on man it's always great to talk to you I enjoyed it last time this has been a blast too I like a guy who knows his shit and you are one of those guys Thanks Greg You got it And before we close the books let the good people know where they can further scratch the J Dyer Itch if they do want some more

58:37 Yeah, you can go to jaysanalysis.com no apostrophe and I think there's over a thousand posts there. I've got over six or seven hundred articles i've written 120 or 30 movie reviews and you can find all that information there also do a podcast for the last year that's gotten pretty good traction now You can find all the free hours And then if you want to hear the full lectures talks interviews I also do lectures on things like tragedy hope or Plato's Republic You can subscribe to Jay's Analysis for $4.95 a month or $60 a year, and if you want the book Esoteric Hollywood Sex, Cults & Symbols in Film there is a PayPal button there outside the US and inside the US and they are all signed copies so I've got 25 star ratings

59:23 on Amazon so far, the book's only been out a month. And it hit number one in Amazon's film and Hollywood category. So... Boom! And it is always best to get the books directly from the author if you can Yeah To cut out that monolithic Amazon middleman right? Exactly yes thank you It does help me out alot if you order direct from me I ship those out everyday so it doesn't take that long Right-On Well, awesome man. Always a pleasure I guess that brings us to the end of the show take care of yourself out there Alright thank you Greg You got it Alright guys fun stuff! I really do like The Hollywood Breakdown guest because i've grown up being such a media junkie and even though we all know its a very persuasive tool I think there are always new elements to discover and I really think Jay is one of the best guys focusing on this area

1:00:17 I like Mark Devlin for music and Jay Dyer for movies, and I thought a lot of great stuff was covered today. Probably most memorable to me is the idea of E.T being about a conjured up spirit entity more than a space alien. It sort of strengthens the narrative of a concerted effort to put certain ideas into the culture about reality outside our immediate environment and beings beyond it. An effort to depict magic, ritual and entities and paint it with the brush of science space aliens. Its curious case because you have to ask why? Why would this be in agenda in Hollywood with cooperation from NASA and military intelligence

1:01:01 And also a flooding of the alternative world with a bunch of space alien pushers too if you think that's part of it. Some do, It is very strange some would say it was because the elite were laying a base because they planned to stage a false flag alien invasion in the future First you fight nations like the two world wars, then you fight ideas like terrorism and then you fight a completely fabricated enemy that you completely control with 100% autonomy. Maybe! People do say that, but I always found it to be a bit far-fetched. Now if you're a flat earther you already know why the directors are doing this obviously they're crafting the space concept for The Collective Consciousness projecting the futile possibility that we can actually rise beyond the dome that encapsulates this island earth A full spectrum deception of the highest order The Lie Of Lies

1:02:00 Maybe. I'm also not a flat earth guy, but I will meet you in the middle and say that I love the prison planet concept about as much as the hollow earth and You could fit this stuff in that box Or it might be as simple as trying to expose the masses to occult entities and esoteric rituals And their Kabbalistic belief system on the DL To Trojan horse the masses into the occult Could be, but the lens of space and aliens does seem suspiciously significant doesn't it? Maybe we'll never know exactly what motivates that machine. But I think it's pretty clear that those top directors Spielberg Kubrick Cameron they serve an important function. I can't claim to know what it is fully

1:02:46 And even James seems pretty flexible as to the whys. Which is great because it's very arrogant to think we'll ever get at 100%. All we really can do is hold up different pieces, look them over and see which ones fit better than others? Which perspectives and threads weave a tighter tapestry to get us closer to the truth but we're born into a completely different world, shaped by think tanks, wealthy industrialists and international banking oligarchs who all have an interesting preoccupation with some occult belief system. Right? Right.

1:03:22 Well, fuckin' A. Jay Dyer if you like the stuff we talked about in the first hour and the plus show We got into stuff like predictive programming in the Trump presidency specifically and back to the future and gremlins 2 And you know I was unaware that Jay had decided to throw his hat in Trump's ring And I really don't care or judge him for it It's just that everyone is so polarized now listener wise That a lot of people are like keeping score with the guests, trying to make sure that their team is equally represented? Don't be like that. Some people are scoring me way to the right and that is not fair because they're giving right-wing points for The Pizzagate shows and That is an elite issue not a Right vs Left one I will not accept those points

1:04:12 And it's gonna come up. It's coming up everywhere you look, but I'm spending less time on political topics and more on just the fringe where we belong But really you shouldn't care about either Political side or at least you should be able to separate and appreciate a person's expertise and just sort of recognize their worldview The lenses they look through i mean consider that in what they say and then just see what you can pull out and apply to your own paradigm. It's not really about every little thing or writing someone off completely because they see one of about an infinite number of issues differently than you do, or they take religion more seriously than you do. You know how I am on religion, and I still have guests that hold it dear if i think there's something I can appreciate about their work otherwise

1:05:06 But anyway, we talked about a lot of great stuff today in the second hour for those oh-so supportive plus people. G.I. Joe being a conspiratorial smorgasbord touching on almost all the major themes we hear about in the alternative realm Military recruitment films where you might least expect them Dr Strangelove as an allusion to The Rand Corporation Esoteric Hollywood film shot on location at Rothschild mansions Also why the Tavistock Institute would be studying Hitchcock films, the role of 70s and 80s dystopia films like Labyrinth and The Dark Crystal. The films of David Lynch Jay's thoughts on more recent films like Split and Arrival And as icing on this crazy cake we talked about Chuck Palahniuk work I never know how to pronounce his name i just take a shot

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1:06:41 But whatever, I hope you see the contrast between me and other hosts. The higher side in other shows and recognize even things like the difference in audio quality. I listened to a show the other day from a channel that I have been a fan of or follower way before THC was even a thing One of the most well-known in the alternative realm and the host, she still puts up her interviews on YouTube with the technical difficulties still in it. With terrible echoing throughout the entire show It's just like if doing interviews is what you're gonna do for a living take a goddamn second to get the audio right and package it up nice for the people before you put it out there. It's supposed to be your livelihood so

1:07:28 Again, whatever if you like the show I do if you think I do a good job go to the higher side chats plus calm and sign up It's really easy. You can pay for three six or twelve month chunks If you don't like five bucks a month I have a robust Frequently asked questions section on how to get the plus feed into your podcast players of choice if you're worried about that Blah blah blah right? Well, it does mean a lot to be listener supported and every host is just trying to get your money somehow. But I wait till the end and I like to think that I spend less time pitching than any other show And i like the content to speak for itself so meet me in the middle here but again Jay is always a welcomed guest fun and knowledgeable guy to talk to and I have two more shows due out by the end of the super short month of February So I'm gonna get on it

1:08:21 That is it for me. Your move SoCal Sorcerers of 8mm Magic and Mental Manipulation, your fucking move. Oh no you see The world isn't random It's attached to puppet strings Control over everything The 9 to 5 is trying to steal ya Now don't that job seem silly? Hello, can you hear me Or should I play back recordings From some spying agency Wish we were younger and free

1:09:15 I'll be thankful when it's all exposed, the vast conspiracy There is such a difference between me now and the damn brother child Hollow from the higher side They're calling out a thousand crimes. They'll tell you the story of everything that's been done, and they'll call out deception of the web that's been spawned

1:09:57 Hollow from the higher side The earth is hollow inside They'll tell you about something that no one else will Have you heard about Saturn? Have you heard about the real since the wrong? Oh, No They're cartoons It's so typical of me to talk about the stuff I'm sorry that's good and well Did you ever hear the argument That nothing really happens? It's no secret And that the best is plush It's doubling your time

1:11:04 Hello from the higher side They're calling out a thousand cries They'll tell you something The elite have done And they'll call my own deception I'm the web that's been spawned Hello from the higher side I'm challenging your paradigm And i'll tell you someday That the battle's begun But we can't fight it with violence The mind where is one has no war Oh, that's the war, that's the war

1:12:16 Hello from the higher side They're calling out a thousand crimes They'll tell you something the elite have done And they'll call out deception of the web that's been spun Hello from the higher side I'm challenging your paradigm And i'll tell you someday that the battle's begun But we can't fight it with violence The mind's where it's won, that's the problem