Jay Dyer | Esoteric Hollywood 2, Movies, Mobs, & Mind Control

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00:51 Which means you'll unfortunately never hear my voice again. 1930s President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the fireside chats His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times From 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration we offer a fresh conversation, I'm Greg Carlwood These are the higher side chats. Happy days are here again people from sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood welcome to The Little Show Inside The Big Show because when you really get down to it so much of reality is crafted around us by culture creation occultists like a bad Broadway play entitled How To Bring About The Apocalypse

01:46 And it seems like they have a version for every genre, flavor and subset of reality as the tyrannical think tanks take your mind wherever they want it to go. As you probably know by now most of this work is done through the arts and entertainment Our guards are down our brainwaves properly recalibrated in our mind primed to accept the themes and ideas that the titans of tinseltown deem worthy But even beyond the manipulation of the masses, when you just look at Hollywood and those involved it definitely seems to take its toll. As most of us know it as the epicenter of drugs sexual abuse and mind control with a painted on smile And when it comes to revealing 8mm magic in ideas embedded in the arts few can touch the work of today's returning guest Jay Dyer He runs jaysanalysis.com one of the premier film & philosophy sites on the net

02:36 He's also the author of Esoteric Hollywood, Sex, Cults and Symbols in Film which did make it to number one on Amazon in the film and hollywood category. And today we're trying to make lightning strike twice as we gather around The Digital Campfire to talk about his sequel, Esoteric Hollywood 2 More Sex, Cults & Symbolism In Film So let's get into it the real ritual reveal or the silver screen exposure and the professor of motion picture propaganda jay my man welcome to THC number three. Holy shit greg that was some base pros man what were you need a good that wasn't good bro. I appreciate it then it's in the works it's in the works this year is just,

03:17 Flying by though and I never seem to get that far down on my to-do list which makes book number two for you all that much more impressive And it's always great to talk to, you know as a pop culture and cinema junkie. I love these interviews that really get into the ideas and philosophy That are hidden behind all the razzle dazzle For people who might not remember, Esoteric Hollywood 1 sort of focuses on clusters of films categorized by director Kubrick Spielberg Hitchcock and of course Ian Fleming in the Bond films as well. And today we're going to get into Esoteric Hollywood 2 tell us about the structure of this latest book and the places it goes that are different from the first

04:01 Yeah exactly that was the main difference i thought on the sophomore attempt i needed to take things in a different direction and at the same time up my game while having some of the same flavor apart one as you mentioned we talked about kubrick in the first 100 pages of kubrick hundred pages spielberg. 80 stop like can't repeat that i gotta go in any directions so i decided to do it topically what we started with was the mob, I thought, you know, I can't believe that it didn't touch on the mafia in relation to Hollywood which is a huge factor in that whole scene over the last century. So I start there and do conclude some cult stuff and some occult stuff in part two. There's a heavy dose of that but also wanted to add more spy stuff and in relationship to how movies have portrayed dialectics be it Cold War dialectic or East-West Islam dialectic

04:58 And then i moved to the second section after about two hundred pages of that we get into how hollywood has pictured mind control with a selection of films originally i was gonna do. Every mind control like im not take a section I just do like a paragraph on every mind control film that i could find but it turns out there's like a zillion of those. There are so many, so many movies that dealt with the theme of MKUltra and Mind Controls So I had to do a selection and then the third section I decided to talk about weather control geoengineering And how that might tie into the alien mythology in psychological warfare Then of course the last section you can't leave out Hollywood transhumanism No you cannot

05:42 And that is a great summary. You do cover a lot of interesting material in here, like you mentioned you kick this thing off with the mafia and mobs in film I wanted to get deeper into that it's very interesting. I once did an interview with Brian Tahui who wrote The Fix Is In! and he focuses on just how involved the mob is in the massive sports gambling industry a little more obvious, but he also talks about how very few outcomes in sports are actually organic because of this mob control. But as you say in the book they have also got their hands in Hollywood right? Way more so than most people might think. Yeah there's some really crazy stories about the relationship of Hollywood to the mafia and I think everybody is kind of familiar with

06:27 The mainline mafia films that have kind of gone down in history as the greats, you know Goodfellas or the Godfather and I wrote a fairly popular essay on the godfather few years ago So I kind of spruced that up and added some more information because I came across recent stuff that a lot people wouldn't know that for example The role of al pacino to play michael corleone. Action get permission from the mafia to do that i had somebody else in mind so they had to make some deals basically backroom deals and some casinos this was actually decided in some casinos in las vegas,

07:04 And that actually comes from a famous mob chronicler, Gus Russo who has a famous book on the mafia who describes this whole story. And the reason I bring that up is because you know, I think last time we might have touched on David Lynch and Twin Peaks and all that. And one of the analyses I did with David Lynch was Mahon Drive. You have that weird scene in Mahon Drive where this sort of little midget dude behind a glass screen is deciding who gets what role And of course the cowboy later on is this sort of supernatural figure who partly decides who gets that role in the film. So basically we have the mafia deciding, who gets what role so... We have that in Mahalan Drive and then I came across an actual example documented in the Gus Russo book so I thought yeah, I've got to include that and tie it into how The Godfather trilogy really does portray how the world really works That's why movies are so powerful in this way Is that the world is structured like

08:00 Global mafia is basically running everything and it is so interesting cuz its a lot like how the military must sign off on any film that's gonna use all their toys in the story telling swather all positive, can you wouldn't necessarily think you need the mobs permission to make a movie about them but they're not shy about killing people so it might be nice to get that endorsement exactly and since the time of the cold war the various mafias were pretty. closely tied to the CIA. There was actually a series of deals that were made around the time of the JFK assassination, which actually does factor into the situation with JFK and what happened him not saying it was only the mob I'm just saying there is a mob and CIA background to that And there's a documentary that a guy who's actually a screenplay writer who is working on a new mafia film He sent me a he said hey you need to watch this documentary and it was about Sam Giancana or they called Momo the Chicago mobster

08:57 And it's a mainline documentary on him if you can find that momo documentary, but it actually has a lot of connections that are made between the mafia and the JFK situation. And so you're absolutely right to talk about the approval of the intelligence agencies, but the intelligence agencies are locked at the hip not just to Hollywood but also to the mafia. And kind on this theme if you've seen Ozarks they use construction projects in that show as big drug money laundering operations because you can sink so much money into a project and it's hard to really qualify where it all went strategy I'm sure our president knows quite well.

09:38 Movie studios there kinda similar in that the budgets can be massive and sometimes you don't even need to produce a final product, to make a couple million dollars sound reasonable talk with little bit about money laundering in hollywood or this idea of studio's as fronts cuz there's a lot of history their right. There was, I had a film nerd friend who told me this many years ago and when he first told me that even though i was all into this Hollywood conspiracy stuff even at the time. He said you know what these studios are money laundering and I was like what are you talking about? That's crazy! No they're not. And sure enough when I started researching just the topic of backdoor connections in Hollywood that's what comes to the fore right away In fact there is guy Douglas Thompson he wrote a whole book that touches on this dark heart of Hollywood

10:25 And he pointed out all these examples of situations where studios functioned as fronts. I think one thing that is not just one thing like a studio doesn't have to just be front for money laundry can function in different things as different tools. They are also making money it can be a way to start my taxes you can do away to final operations and i could even be a cover for a blackout movie studio or maybe crew could actually go and do something that is working for your purpose Everybody knows this now if you saw Argo, that was the whole plot of Argo. It was a goofy sci-fi movie that was fake and it was an intelligence fraud. That's all very real but we've had many cases where people have been convicted. Christopher Abertz was convicted for using his studio and screenwriting as a front for money laundering

11:18 There have been cases where the FBI actually set up an independent film studio. They put out films, but this whole thing was just a front for various FBI surveillance operations so there's a lot of examples of this even drug trafficking. There've been Hollywood directors and studios and it starts to make sense though you could see why everybody has a reverence for movie makers right so if you show up in your. I'm here to film a movie oh you're with hollywood that's an easy cover like new drugs or even weapons or something like this and it really is genius because of someone were tell you the budget of a film was fifty million verses

12:00 150 million to the layman. I mean, that makes no difference but that's a hundred million dollars difference so it is kind of appealing to use it for that reason and you have an example of Limelight this is one I didn't know but in 2006 they were busted as an ecstasy dealing drug trafficking ring and Charlie Chaplin's granddaughter was president at that company yeah that one was so crazy had to stick it in there Yeah, and then I think after that Douglas Thompson goes on to talk about other examples of mafia laundering. He says in one case $200 million through special effects extravaganzas and then he goes on the talk about the 94 million dollar budget for Tomb Raider involved some very fanciful arithmetic when they actually came down to what was made and what wasn't made so yes this is a huge thing

12:54 You start to wonder, well if it's that crazy in these examples it's probably crazy and other examples like what else is going on? Maybe something was going on with the Netflix series Narcos. This guy gets killed while he's scouting for locations again I'm just speculating here but we started to realize that all these worlds connect you know when I did the first book it was about sex cults Hollywood secret societies now we're starting to see oh wait a minute guess what cartels they also factor in this mafia factors into this. And it's corporations right and what is a movie studio or what are these giant studios but private corporation so again all of these worlds intertwine intersect

13:38 And i don't know if you're familiar with that classic be movie the room but that's always been a speculation with that tommy was so guy right. Right people call it you know the worst movie ever made ride up there with plan nine six million dollar budget and it looks like it was filmed, just in an abandoned house somewhere. It's still kind of a mystery where this weirdo got the money and the big speculation is that he was connected. That's a great point, yeah it happens in B-movies for sure I think in fact a lot of b movies. I did an interview with Mark Hackard uh couple years ago and we were discussing movie studios as intelligence fronts and he wrote an essay about a whole studio that was set up in the UK that was run by the Soviets back during the cold war

14:26 Movie that star dolph lundgren red scorpion that's the name of it i think its in the late eighties maybe nineteen ninety somewhere near just as crappy kind of special operations movie from. 1990 but the movie appears to have been a kind of front for some intelligence operation was filmed somewhere where the CIA had particular interest at the time and one reason we know that is that the producer, I think it's the producer. I mean i'm going from two years ago memory but the producer was like Elliot Abrams from you know Valerie Plame and Neocon fame. Why is Elliott Abrams the producer of this ridiculous Dolph Lundgren movie? And then come to find out other movies like, what's that movie about the guy who was the track star you know it was popular in the 80s and I can think of a theme song bum-bum-bum-bum-bum. I think i skip most track star movies tell you the truth well no I don't care about that dude this guy was like

15:26 Olympics guy, really famous Olympics guy. And I think the story is that he was a like he wouldn't run on Saturdays or Sundays for religious reasons. It was a big award winning movie in the 80's anyway guess who was the producer on that? Dodie Fayed So here we have like Dodie Fayed of you know Princess Diana fame and You start to realize why are these people producers of movies it's because they're involved in all this stuff and then movies studios are a big part about Yeah it even filters into seemingly innocent things that you find in the realms of tv like cupcake wars or julia childs apparently she was connected and some regard why would somebody involved in a cooking show, have a background and intelligence are why would that be something that intelligence puts them into what you know where is that connection get mad.

16:18 Yes, she was a member of course in the OSS Julia Child was and that's the nascent CIA suppressor CIA that the British intelligence Set up for the US. It was actually Ian Fleming of all people William Stevenson who came and on the part of the British Empire kind negotiated with Bill Donovan in 1942 had a set up of this version of what British intelligence had. And it was very successful, again morphs into 1947 the CIA so when you understand that stuff is not about a lot of surveillance and spying per se that's one little aspect of what intelligence stuff is but a bigger part of it as culture creation that's much more important to the global planners to the big elite than

17:03 just surveillance, especially nowadays with everybody willingly putting all their information online that surveillance is less important than is culture creation. So that's what most people don't understand about the CIA and OSS is that it was about culture creation from the get go And when you look at it that way well food is a big part of culture isn't it so that makes a perfect vehicle for a person to also be a spy or to be involved in that kind of an operation because. In many ways it can provide a cover. If you're going to all these different countries, maybe somebody like Bourdain perhaps? They go to all these countries and their cover is oh I'm here just to film my food show by the way I've gotta meet with the president of this country for certain reasons maybe and then at the same time food is culture so I was reading a book that was talking about from the globalist perspective fast-food was actually engineered

18:01 for the purposes of getting people away from eating a family meal. So even though Julia Child might not have been, when she was in the OSS and having her cooking show, she might not have been promoting fast food what I'm getting at is that from the perspective of intelligence agencies or Pentagon or social planners you definitely want to control food. Bertrand Russell says diet is of the utmost importance for control on part of the global elite Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense even though it's not something people think about often. And by the way, that movie is Chariots of Fire That's the famous 80s movie about the runner Oh chariots of fire Yes and I do know that title and kind of on the themes we're talking about if you've ever seen that movie Confessions Of A Dangerous Mind based on the book written by Chuck Barris now I mean obviously this is in the realm of comedy but yes sometimes there's truth in comedy But he wrote that book

18:56 About the idea that when he was the host on a show like The Dating Game He's taken these contestants on international trips as a chaperone And then he's also moonlighting with some kind of covert ops in that same Kind of way loved that movie That was really the first one when I was younger that brought to mind the idea that whoa these could be giant cover operations Yeah, so this is A big george clinton film i think he's connected to the production company that made a commercial of dangerous if our call yeah he did direct it was unaware that exactly and so clearly my suspicion about that is.

19:36 Clooney himself has most likely worked for the CIA. I mean, when you get to that level, you've got Angelina Jolie being directly involved in the CFR. I think it's very reasonable given Clooney's history and his activities that he is probably involved in them as well. Ben Affleck – Ben Affleck was pretty open about it like he talks about, yeah, Hollywood is full of CIA. So I think maybe Clooney was making that movie because maybe he related to it a little bit. I'm not saying he isn't an assassin right, that from the vantage point where Clooney's at in terms of mega a lister global star he can understand and he's telegraphing to us exactly you know how the world really works how it's not like you think even actors are not always what you think many many of them have been spies all the way back

20:25 Errol Flynn all the way back to some of the biggest stars even under Stalin, one of the top actresses of Soviet Union. I can't remember her name off the top my head but she was Stalin's right hand spy woman it was pretty crazy. Yeah, and it also could be an example of this thing where they take a template for something very real. And they make it a silly example like Chuck Berris in the dating game. Then when people hear about it as reality they're like oh well that's that bullshit we saw in that movie there is no way that kind of thing is true they just kinda take the air out of the idea even though it might be legitimate things happens in other cases outside to one where their making joke out

21:08 It does have the disarming kind of throw you for a loop initially when you start to see it in reality and you've been conditioned to it. That really I think is the main point of predictive programming, what you're talking about definitely plays into that because on a subconscious level and actually has been studied on a subconscious level they study Hitchcock films on a subconscious level to see how it affected the audience back when he premiered Psycho so they've been at this for a long time and so there definitely aware of how A person perceiving something as fiction can alter their perception when it becomes reality. That's again a big part of how you condition people

21:46 We can talk about the esoteric element to predictive programming. I think it is there, i think a lot of people who are involved in predictive programming do have esoteric type world views but just on a practical level functions very well to kind of gaslight people and prep them for events that come into future so i think you're right to stick to the practical purpose of why its done And so let's get into probably the biggest film franchise about the mafia. Let's talk about The Godfather, you spent a lot of time on it in the book what might people not know about it or what about this trilogy do you see as agenda driven?

22:23 Well, there's a lot of different layers to it. I think when Mario Puzo wrote his novel he actually interviewed a whole bunch of living Dons so the book is a mix of the perspective of a lot of different mobsters So it's not just one guy But it is essentially The Sicilian Mafia but again He had to get permission not just from the Italian Dons but also to get permission from Jewish mafia To do the movie yet with the way that he did And that's covered in gus russo book but the aspect of most people don't realize is that there is. As the trilogy progresses actually more revelation as it moves into parts two and three about the real world now most critics obviously prefer part one,

23:08 Part 2 is still considered a great film. A lot of people are kind of down on part 3, but actually again by the time of part three you're getting some pretty heavy doses of Secret Society backdoor P2 type stuff that relates to Gladio so if you're familiar with Operation Gladio this was the stay behind networks that the CIA and NATO had in place in Soviet Union during the Cold War And this was, of course supposedly so that the Soviets communists wouldn't take over Europe. So what they had was these cell networks that basically were terrorists and they again were black ops guys never recruited as paramilitary out of the Italian fascist lodges in Italy to Grand Orient fascist lodges called P2

23:52 So they would do terror operations. They would do all kinds of crazy stuff false flag type stuff to blame the commies and the Soviets this actually plays into part three and most people don't catch that because the Andy Garcia character when Michael Corleone is being taken down and figure who plays Pope John Paul the first in The movie when they're being taken down, Andy Garcia says you know, this is p2 right? And it's a very sort of brief kind of off-the-cuff thing that Indy Garcia says because he's if you don't recall, he's taking over from Michael Cortlandt. He's the next Don for the family

24:30 And what we see is really the downfall of the family there because Michael has moved into international relations. He's taken his front and actually in part three, he creates an NGO. He creates a tax-free foundation that's involved in land deals so he's moved from the big time. He's not just a small time family mobster in New York. He's actually moved to global operations and this again telling for how the world really works How it ties into not just secret societies and intelligence operations like p2 gladio but actually how it is into international banking. NGOs and think tanks right i actually love that about it and maybe,

25:11 It didn't come across as entertaining. Maybe it's a little drier, but that is kind of the path and I like that the third one goes into that and in that section of your book you talk about the Catholic Church of course? Yes right And i know you are an orthodox Christian but you know alot about the geopolitics of Vatican and you say the co-opting to the Vatican is much earlier than the Vatican II conspiracy most Catholics adhere too Can you break that down for us a bit? What is the conventional conspiracy and what would you point to that leads you to think that it was actually co-opted even before that.

25:50 Yeah, that's a great question. Basically the traditional conspiracy you could say is that by the time of Vatican II whole bunch of Freemasons, Satanists, Illuminists and all manner of nefarious groups had made their way into the Vatican and into power structure they had captured along with the Cardinals people will typically point to Cardinal Rampolla who around the turn of the century, the turn of 20th century was actually in the OTO. And Colonel, the story is at least that Colonel Rampolla almost was made Pope at that time his election was actually blocked though by I think the Hungarian emperor at the time

26:30 So this line of reasoning says that, well what happened at Vatican II was that they essentially came out of the closet with their victorious control over the office of the papacy. And so ever since that time you've had this commandeering which is turning the Vatican into a global network for the promotion of an apostate kind-of new world religion That's the conventional conspiracy on what happened in the 20th century to the Roman Catholic Church But there's a deeper picture here that most people aren't aware of. And this has really been detailed in an academic way by a traditional Catholic himself named David Wimhoff, who has put out a book about John Courtney Murray and the subversion of the church. What he shows is that it's not really a conglomeration of Masons per se—there is a Masonic element to the subversion of the Catholic Church—but the real power structure that was able

27:23 to subvert the Catholic Church in 20th century was the CIA. And they did this through the auspices of the Cold War, and when I read that it really resonated with a lot of things I'd read in the past about how John Paul II actually had weekly meetings—I think it was weekly—with William Colby and they were talking about how to break down the wall, how to engineer the convergence between Eastern Soviet bloc, communism and Western capitalism. And so there was a meeting at Malta in I think 1988 between Bush Sr., John Paul II and Gorbachev. And this really signified the fall of the Soviet Union. Then of course everybody knows about the bankers kind of coming in and raping Russia after this again all engineered by Western intelligence but Harvard boys, Larry Summers, the Clinton crew and all that. That's who was behind the raping of Russia in the 90s

28:17 But it was preceded by this operation of these meetings between Bush Sr. and Gorbachev, and John Paul II. So I think it's very easily demonstrable that it's not just theological ideology that drove the events of Vatican 2. And on top of that you can go back further. I think Hoffman has documented in his book Occult Renaissance Church of Rome that the subversion on a part of the Roman Catholic church can extend all the way back to the Renaissance Because you had these really corrupt... Borgia Popes, which everybody kind of knows about. They've been making like Showtime and HBO shows about these Borgia popes and they would castrate boys back then to sing in their choir the Pope has a private choir of castrated choir boys Which I mean that's to me is completely psychotic but yeah But you know when you start to think about it like that It's like well now wait a minute Maybe this kind of corruption didn't just begin with you know recent Vatican II liberal developments in the Roman Catholic Church maybe this goes back You know a thousand years ago

29:17 Yeah, they say Michael Jackson's dad had him chemically castrated so he would keep his voice. I mean you gotta keep that money train going if you got a golden goose laying golden eggs and I guess you just disintegrate their generals with chemicals and keep it goin'. Right also to the banking side of it too everybody kinda has Especially during the conspiracy world, you've heard a little bit about the Banco d'Ambrosia perhaps and the Vatican Bank scandal where certain bankers ended up hanging in a Masonic pose upside down from a bridge, Blackfriars Bridge. This is a famous ritual murder that related directly to the assassination of John Paul and I do think he was assassinated. The assassination of John Paul the first after 33 days of being Pope? I don't think that's accidental but he was Pope for thirty three days and then was assassinated. But that's also in Godfather 3. In fact, the character Roberto Calvi is pictured in the film you see him assassinated and real world

30:16 assassination here, this guy actually was hanging upside. I think it was in the death pose you know if you're familiar with the tarot card or the death pose with a guy's leg hanging down that's how he was hanging as far recall so that was definitely a hit it was probably a P2 hit and pretty well known but the Vatican Bank scandal shows us that guess what? The Vatican Bank wasn't just a problem that popped into existence in 20th century By public admission, the Rothschilds have been running the Vatican Bank all the way back to the 1700's. And I don't think it just begins with the Rothschilds. You can go back again you know back to these Borgia popes and there was tremendous corruption back then and everybody knows about it. So interesting! Something that I didn't expect to see in the book was a breakdown of your thoughts on the Marian apparition event Our Lady of Fatima. You got a pretty interesting take on that how do you interpret that saga?

31:12 I came to this conclusion because, for many years, I did go to a traditional Catholic church. So I was kind of in that mindset and know what it's like to be locked into that box and read everything from the limited perspective. One thing they will always point out is this great vast miracle supposedly of Fatima. And I thought it was appropriate just stick it there just because it ties so clearly to the Cold War. Again, I mean, I know that Fatima precedes the Cold War but what happens in the Roman Catholic Church is Wim Hof points out in his book John Courtney Murray and the CIA and the doctrinal warfare program that took over the Catholic church essentially what this book was about. John Courtney Murray's one of the famous theologians present at Vatican too but what happens is the Catholic Church becomes a tool of Americanism and the CIA to promote American ideas

32:02 which are then supposedly identified with the Roman Catholic Church across the globe. It literally becomes this engine to promote this stuff, and even though a lot of people were sincere they thought oh yes we've got to fight the godless Soviet Empire and I'm not saying that the Soviets were good i think it's again a dialectic at work here what happens is that they start churning out movies catholic movies get turned out all throughout this period and we have to go back to Fatima because When Mary supposedly appears at Fatima and gives this warning of the prediction of World War I, I think it's curious that her explanation of why Russia has to be stopped is because of the errors of communism that are going to be promoted from Russia. That is what the operation supposedly says but she doesn't mention that Russia's errors come from England

32:56 It's the Atlanticist power block that exports the bankers in England, and that's who exports Marxism to Russia from London to Russia. So when that's exported... Mary just forgot to mention this but what we see is a targeted apparition of specifically makes Russia into the bad guy and surprise surprise the two chief enemies of the Western Empire, the Atlantis's empire in 20th century are Russia and Germany. So it just happens to be that case if the operation targets one of the two chief enemies of the Western elite power structure? No I think it is engineered for geo-strategic purposes. If its perfectly into The Great Game thats exactly what The Great Game is about getting rid of Russia so thats my take on FATMA and I found

33:43 CIA discussions where in famous books, Victor Marchetti's book they talk about how to stage apparitions to mobilize the local populations for the purpose of geopolitical ends. Yeah, it's not unprecedented for intelligence agencies to lean into superstitions and the supernatural. Right. And when you think about the content of the message being so wrapped up in geopolitics it's hard to see it as genuine but I guess I still think about the technology. We're talking about blue beam stuff everybody is like worried about oh they might use blue beam to stage some big event well

34:20 They clearly have been able to make things look supernatural at a time depth in which I would think the technology wouldn't really be there to make it, seem viable but clearly they got something they're doing something i don't know if its just smoke machines and flashy costume but that's convincing to some people. Well, if you know I'm not trying to be too much of a like a reddit skeptic type of dude but i will say that If you know when A stellar conjunction or some sort of stellar phenomena is coming. We know an ancient priest knew when there would be Strange stellar phenomenon just on the basis of calendars right? There would be a conjunction there would be Like an eclipse or something even yeah exactly and so if you knew that was coming then You could quite easily dupe a bunch

35:10 Portuguese villagers and simple terms in other words so i think that's a possibility another possibility to is the new stories just made up what they just created the news story in the local papers and there wasn't this phenomenon or if they do the bunch of villagers or like you said it is possible that there was some kind of weird phenomena that we don't know about but even that doesn't necessarily mean that vindicates Roman Catholicism. Maybe there was a phenomenon happened and maybe some villagers decided hey I can get famous from this, let me marry talk to me right? Or again it was a geo-strategy thing and the bankers had already planned to have World War One

35:50 And so they needed a kind of apparition to mobilize large forces of the Catholic perception. If you think that seems a little strange, let me remind you that HG Wells when he did Shape Of Things To Come this is actually four or five years prior to World War II and he predicts exactly what would happen all the bombing campaigns all the crazy stuff that would happen in World War II A lot which didn't exist yet like a lot of ideas I mean nobody would have believed there was going to be this giant world war with big bombing campaigns. Now, did he predict it or did he know that the bankers had planned World War II? I think he knew that they had planned it and I think its reasonable to suspect that this is what was going on at Fatima as well. Yeah, it's a take I hadn't heard but I've heard that template applied to other situations so...I don't think it's completely unreasonable and

36:41 Something i kind of expected to see in a book about hollywood sex and colts but didn't really is the nexium cult stuff with keith rainier and allison mac i know you've done some videos about it. But that is a crazy template an example of something that's probably a lot deeper what have you seen when you looked into that case i mean, is it basically just another template for the kinda stuff that is there but doesn't bubble up to the surface very often? I think you're right, it would have been ideal if that information had come out when i wrote the first one. It should have had its own chapter and I could have stuck in part two but the problem is that I already had pretty much the manuscript and all that to the publisher before the meat of the NXIVM stuff came out so right when the NXIVM stuff was starting make headlines the manuscripts done and then there's a little bit too late to add that stuff but

37:33 you're right i wish that happened because really is a vindication of the stuff that i've been talking about goes up to the highest levels of, will we in terms of the bronfman dynasty got it connected to all these NGOs clinton global initiative people involved in it. A lot of other corporation connect the people fortune five hundred times And it seems to have a global stretch and function like a weird amway type of thing like a pyramid scheme next with the sex cold mix with. Brainwashing now other stuff coming out like when you're supposed to head up, It was trafficking child porn type stuff too. So presumably human trafficking is involved, I'm not positive that's been substantiated yet but presumably that's there and then most recently in the last couple weeks we've seen the John of God cult come to the fore he's reportedly involved in a lot of not just abuse but perhaps even baby farming. The girl who pointed this out mysteriously ends up suicided

38:32 I think that's suspicious. And also connected to the same circles of NXIVM, and not saying John of God wasn't in NXIVM but a lot of the same high-powered people running in the same circles as NXIVM so you're absolutely right it ties directly into Hollywood with Alison Mack and all that and I just see it is vindication wish that I had included it in part two but it was too soon. Well fuel for the trilogy exactly I'm not exactly familiar with did you say John of God? Yeah, there was a big cult bust in Brazil I think or Peru maybe it's been some weeks now. It's kind of out of the news but it was a big new story maybe three weeks ago and this is a weirdo new age faith healer guy surprise surprise who sits under a giant pyramid nothing suspicious there may be maybe if the guys sitting under a giant pyramid is something shady going on but

39:28 A lot of people had made these pilgrimages to him, a lot of kind of the new age crowd that wanted healing and to raise their vibrations in consciousness. That kinda stuff. And turns out this guy had abused and the accusations are rave countless women. Then it came out that one of I think was not just his daughter was accusing him of abusing her, but another woman who is involved in the group said that it's worse. They actually are involved in human trafficking and they have breeders now familiar with the satanic ritual abuse phenomenon this has been bantered about for a long time the idea of breeders kind of viewed as still fringe I guess you could say so the woman who made the accusation that he was running a baby farm

40:15 I took that as tabloid well she actually ends up. Dead a few days later and this is mainstream news not conspiracy sites totally mainstream news ended up in spain i think and had been suicide immediately after making the public accusation that he was running baby for men john got character himself What was the only thing with oprah and all these really high level international people. Oprah immediately released a statement like sorry i promoted this guy couple years ago sorry i promoted him we disassociate oops my bad

40:51 Yeah well how many times do we see orphanages connected to child abuse and there was just that scandal about the catholic church in these priests bangin' the nuns and then they chain the nuns up during their pregnancy, who knows what they'd do with that baby afterwards but dark stuff. I would say the burger thing is real. Yeah, i would venture to say that so... I would say so too! There are people who will make money off anything and it's unfortunate that human beings are a commodity to people in that world and if you can make them out of thin air by abusing just a few women some people gonna do it

41:33 Yeah, even one of the big battle rappers. I don't know if you're familiar with Daylight but he's a fairly popular battle rap guy He made a pretty wild video where he talks about how for certain reasons he wanted to get on the dark web some years ago to download something he was trying to buy a silencer or a gun that he had and he says he came across Some of these rooms where they they do this kind of hostile style torture type stuff. Now I've never looked at any of that or have any interest in that, but the point is that he was making the argument that a lot of that kind of human trafficking-type stuff you hear about, he was saying it's real and unless this was some high super technical staged thing that was all fake, it looked real to me and that would involve trafficking

42:21 I don't doubt it i've watched some videos that act as guides to the deep web and cuz im not willing to actually like. Go mess around there but i am curious and the darkest thing i had seen was a guy pulls up this website where, They say, you know it's somewhere in some third world country. It's just a bunch of jail cells basically and they say we will do any science that you want Do you want to know the effects of aluminum and high doses on pregnant women? We'll get you that data Well, do you wanna know this out in the other and so you don't ask any questions You just say yeah I wanna know this chemical This condition what it does two people And they'll tell ya

43:06 And that is scary stuff. Yeah, and there was the story of the cannibal too. So even cannibals who comes into this with it usually makes it into everybody's top 10 dark web stories I don't know if you've ever seen now My name is chills and I'm gonna show you the top ten dark web stories. I hope that you don't get scared Like he's one of these top tens up channel guys but in one of his dark web videos He talks about the cannibal case in one of the Nordic countries But the guy was actually literally a cannibal You found a service on dark web for meeting up with other animals and the weird part of that story was getting convicted i can't remember what we are in order to name but. I need to know who wants to be it's fantastic, is there a guy who wanted to make love and then literally be cooked and eaten and the

43:56 Cannibal obliged him. I guess he was like a praying mantis in a previous life or something Yeah, and the dude ended up convicted but that's one of the kind of more famous dark dark web stories man Oh by the way, let me add real quick many years ago I turned up because I heard about this story long time ago and I remember researching it I cannot dig again where I located it but I do recall a pretty sourced document on that case, well-sourced. It actually argued that the cannibal guy was actively involved in one of the sort of darker cult groups and they had a pretty solid case for that. I can't dig up again where it was but i do think that's also possible

44:38 yeah i mean a lot of crazy stuff going on out there and that next him called just always use as an example now i'm waiting for some books to start coming out better just focused on that cuz it checks all the boxes i mean he's tricking young girls into making porn for private collection is using branding psychological torture sleep deprivation these slaves apparently were blackmailed into providing new collateral sometimes as often as every month, whether it's porn or signing over assets or some kind of thing that the group could use to end their career if it took off. It kinda reminds me of Scientology because they're very much about that confession element you've got like a handler who are supposed to tell everything too and then of course its used when you wanna try to get out and uh... you can't

45:30 But what's crazy about Nexium is it says like all the articles I can find say that it's funded by wealthy donors. And you mentioned a couple of organizations, the Clinton Foundation tangentially might be connected but I still don't know really where all that money is coming from who's really funding something like the Nexium call? Hopefully it comes out in court. They already arraigned Claire Bronfman. Hmm. That was big news when they first broke She made her bail, but I don't know if the court date has gone through yet. But she's had her trial but the accusation was that money came from the Bronfman diner... That's the Seagrams. So Seagrams alcohol. Oh okay! That's the Canadian mega billionaire family of the Bronfmans They're also bought into media so they're one of the big elite families and that's reportedly at least according to just mainstream news where the money came from for the cold. Hmm wow wow

46:30 So to get back to your book let me ask you about v for vendetta because it's a film that i love even named my cat evie but he are pretty hard on it right alan moore is undoubtedly a talented artist and storyteller with the notion that be prevented as a story geared towards human liberation has masses of ignorant fans assume, And, of course Anonymous and Occupy and all that stuff came after and was very politicized. It was sort of a commercialization of rebellion. I get all that but how is the film itself not about liberation?

47:06 I mean, i've watched a lot of interviews with Alan Moore and I don't doubt that he personally thinks he's on the process of self liberation. Not sure if he intended the meaning of this story to be liberation but what I want to highlight is the reason why I tied it into anarchism because I am critical of anarchism as a tool again not talking about the sincerity of individuals or artists who put out they may be completely sincere in terms of seeking and wanting liberation but what i wanted to illustrate was that anarchism or anarcho-terrorism is, has historically been used in a dialectic or even trilectic. I mean if you look at the history of the british empire they were some of the first to utilize anarchism as a means

47:54 staging stuff. For example, when I talked a minute ago about Gladio and the Cold War just because Operation Gladio and NATO stay behind people staged and blame things on the communists in my view that doesn't make communism good just because you were... That was part of this big kind of dialectic it's not like there's only two options of like well are you a Western capitalist or are you an Eastern collectivist communist? There is also anarcho-terror type stuff And I view that as typically having been used as well. And i don't think that the system is going to allow artworks out, that promote the kind of anarcho cyberpunk, I'm-the-true rebel type of view That's not going to try and coopt it into an aspect of a system that is still useful to this system

48:47 What I'm trying to say is, I want to separate the individual artist's intention which that may have been to do that. It was kind of like with Kubrick. Was Kubrick part of the system? Or was he really trying to tell people how evil it was? Well you could argue at that point but what i was interested in was just the approach of the film itself in terms of its commercialization You've got Hot Topic used to have Guy Fawkes masks right Is punk music really punk if it's everywhere and hot topic? And I see those things as establishment stamped approval rebellion movements. And again, there are peoples like Dave McGowan thesis on the Laurel Canyon saying a lot of the artists were genuinely anti war but if you don't have a foundation or perspective from which to actually critique why wars wrong philosophy, we all have a grounding

49:37 to be able to do that if you just have this whatever you believe is true man, whatever I believe like that. Just relativistic type of view is itself problematic it doesn't work so I think you need to be better grounded and that's what I was going for in the critique right on yeah I mean that is a great point when I was in high school and I was punk kid complaining about bullshit up the gap and Abercrombie somebody told me that the same company owns At least a couple of these different stores and I was just like, those motherfuckers. They got me. But let's talk about anarchism a little bit more because you do say...I have the quote here in the book you say, You consider anarchy being the worldview par excellence of the elite because it is most destructive And you say ultimate liberty is really absolute slavery to the passions

50:30 And I sort of see what you're getting at, the whole overindulgence Satanism do without will stuff. But I look at something like the drug war right? Personally, I think all drugs should be legal. I think you should have the freedom to fuck yourself up if you so choose but if the state were to give me the freedom to do heroin legally it doesn't mean I have to indulge right? So that's kind of where I bring in that personal responsibility. I think we should have ultimate liberty but that doesn't mean that you must have ultimate indulgence. That's true, this gets into a question of complex issues of the role of the state and the role of private corporations and I think your right to say that

51:11 You know, a hundred years ago you could walk into an apothecary and you could simply buy opiates or you could buy cocaine. I don't necessarily have a problem with the free sale of those things but the problem is that we're in a situation now where society has been degenerated on purpose so one of the problems with that perspective of just kind of basic sort of libertarian approach is that it misses the fact culture creation and toxic culture so the corporations can buy the government off and then they can through the government channel everybody into things that destroy and integrate culture, when the cultures integrated in class. They can make all this stuff really available what you see in brave new world where drugs are basically mass available to the population because i lost ability to have self control

52:01 So, I would agree with you in principle. I mean, I do think THC has all kinds of positive healing benefits it should be available in its organic way It would do a lot better for people than all these SSRIs and this big pharma crap so I'm totally pro-THC in terms of its healing properties but I'm just saying that's a little more complex when we factor in the issues social engineering and the role of the corporate state in intentionally trying to make things legal at a stage, and again I'm not saying that THC should be illegal. What i am saying is that when you denigrate culture to the point where people don't have self-control then you can flood them like with the opiates right? Like the Oxycontin being made available

52:46 middle Americans to people in the South. It's the same model that the CIA did with targeting the ghetto with crack cocaine, and I think this is all done on purpose. So I think they flooded the South for rednecks with meth just like they flooded blacks with crack. That doesn't mean that The drug war is true and good and we should have you know, the bad guys running the drug war. I'm not saying that...I'm just saying that it's really complex when you start looking at it from all these different vantage points And I'm not saying that because they flooded the ghetto with crack, that we should therefore not have restrictions or have complete availability of all these things. Because again, they didn't flood the ghetto with crack until they had broken down the morals of blacks in America and they did that through toxic culture then they could destroy and damage the people group

53:38 more easily through something like crack. And I'm blaming the establishment, I'm saying it's the corporate government that did that intentionally So in principle I agree with you that if we were in a situation where society was a little more self-controlled It wouldn't be a problem for people to go down to the apothecary and buy cocaine If they needed it for something or to buy THC if they need it for something? It's just a big giant mess is all I'm trying to say And just to put a cherry on top of this whole thing, obviously you write about a lot of great stuff in this book but a book takes a long time to write. Let me ask you what is the most recently released film that you've seen that you think needs to be properly mined for the type of content you cover even if you haven't got to it at the depths that you normally would?

54:25 Probably Panos Cosmatos, I guess with Mandy and Beyond the Black Rainbow. Now I had seen Beyond the Black Rainbow when it came out. I knew about in culture and that kind of stuff when it came out but was still kinda a newb when it came to tying into some of the deeper stuff In this style the movie was so overbearing It's almost like he is wanting to put you through mind control experiment So I held off on it but I went back last week and I watched Beyond the Black Rainbow. And I thought it was excellent, that was a great film. I really appreciate it now and I think I needed to see Mandy first and that kind of initiated me properly to Panos's movies and his style. So then when I went back and watched Beyond the Black Rainbow, it was a lot more powerful so I would say Mandy in Beyond the Black Rainbow. Right on! That's one I hadn't even heard of

55:19 And man, so Jay this always a pleasure. I think you do great film analysis. I'm always learning something before we go remind the people where to get the books were to see online and all the good stuff he got going on. Yeah, you can just go to Jason analysis and news analysis calm. You can find that shop there for the books. So you can find the subscription there for archives and interviews and talks that I've done on the Globalist books, full access for $4.95 a month or $6 a year you can also watch the TV show that we did with Jay Widener one whole season if you subscribe to Gaia there's links there for that

55:58 And the advantage of course, I sign all the books. So you get a signed copy if you get it from Amazon It's not very good for the author. Also do tutoring that's picked up quite a bit so I tutor quite a few people in philosophy So if you're interested in learning philosophy and all that stuff You can sign up for tutoring at the patreon there and then my youtube has grown a good bit So if you would subscribe to doing a lot more video content nowadays so you can subscribe to my YouTube channel there Awesome. And yeah, congrats on Hollywood decoded with Jay Wiener. Thanks. You also have another pilot out there right now too don't you? Well you know about that maybe as well I don't know what it's in the works being shopped around so hopefully cross our fingers maybe somebody will buy that yes i am also in that and I don't know are we allowed to talk about that I didn't sign anything

56:48 There was an NDA, but I think you can say that it's out there. But we're just not supposed to say a whole lot of details or anything. Fair! Well man again it has been a huge pleasure best of luck out there and keep doing what you do. Okay man thank you have pleasure talking with you again and really appreciate having me on Cheers Alright later dude Hallelujah, dear listeners. Hallelujah indeed! Another one in the can kicking off April with a great returning guest Jay Dyer big thanks I feel like THC has really built some solid bench strength over the years when it comes to guests who come back every so often and cover a new round of media in their particular lane. We got great music guys, like Mark Devlin also great movie guys obviously Jay is one of those great movie guys probably my favorite his impressions work really great for podcasts too

57:49 But obviously today, especially if you heard the second hour, the ideological differences between us were maybe a little more obvious. I wouldn't even really call them differences because Jay is an Orthodox Christian and i haven't really planted my flag anywhere at this point and i won't call me a chaos ideologist! I like to pull things from wherever that i think seem to work for me because i don't really like any of the boxes i've seen enough to hop in but i did have some questions about. Jay's ideology of course and after the show we were actually talking and i asked him if he was familiar with mcgill connor because i would actually be pretty interested to hear jay and mcgill sort of debate or,

58:40 rigorously discuss those two perspectives the orthodox christian perspective vs. Gnosticism I'm not the guy to do it but i think it would be a really fun thing to listen too and he said funny enough, i was just on with Miguel and so i haven't checked out yet to see if it aired but im looking forward hearing Jay on Aeon Byte talking about those differences potentially And that's really saying something because I'm honestly exhausted by the ideological and philosophical and political debates that are happening across podcasting. The Ben Shapiros, and Steven Crowders, and even Jordan Peterson at this point...I do think it's ultimately good to have a greater depth-to discussion as we drift towards the Idiocracy Age

59:35 But sometimes it's like, guys. Guys who gives a shit? Just have some fun be a good person and enjoy your life I mean maybe that is what they enjoy obviously they do but regardless i think Jay is a really good communicator and common ground finder But even as he said some of the things that i associate as positive aspects of a nasty perspective. He also considers those same things positive and also principles of his ideology but on some other things i think it's good that we got into it and its good to know that we do kind of agree and im glad we agree

1:00:18 And that is that but in terms of content for the show great start to with mob money and studios as front companies thats the sort of stuff, did i think really juicy course that's where his book goes so i knew that that's where this was gonna go too. But it's fun off the radar stuff In higher side news, people always ask how do I know when the joint sessions are? Well they are always on either the 20th or the 25th of the month at 7 p.m pacific time and it's in these wrap-ups when i let you know which one we're going to be looking at this month. I bounce back and forth between these two days because if one falls on the weekend or a holiday or commitment I have nine out of ten times it's easy to just pick that other day

1:01:05 This month is going to be on the 25th because 420 of course is a holiday. And with these things I haven't been able to go live on YouTube like I was in the beginning, I don't know exactly why...I think it might be copyright strikes It just doesn't seem to work So instead of hundreds of people that I had we're only getting dozens And then only three or four or five people want to actually talk. So I would love to see more people who want to talk on the show, show up and maybe even have something prepared to say an experience that you had a theory that you have it's time to put your ideas and your experiences up on the main stage at least that's what i like about it

1:01:51 So be there, April 25th 7pm Pacific Time. You will find the links a few hours before all over the place Facebook Twitter Patreon and the Plus site Also I've mentioned this before but it is really happening now so i'm going to start talking about it at the end of every show just so I know we all get the message But the Hireside ecosystem is being redesigned, upgraded we should say. We're combining the free and plus sites making the archives less segmented and I am adamant with the developers that i don't want to disrupt the listeners connection to either the Plus or the Free RSS feed but when you're trying to bring two websites together

1:02:37 I don't know how reasonable that really is. I think these are talented guys, I've seen the design mock-ups and I'm really impressed! I'm actually quite enthusiastic but i just want to put it out there so that you're aware that if in say four to six weeks from now your feed stops updating let's say even if we install a redirect you might have to do something quite simple like just refresh the thing I don't know exactly what to expect but it's good to communicate with you now rather than later if you happen have issues getting the show because you wouldn't be hearing me then and i'll spare all the reasons why i'm doing it but there are good ones from being at risk of a deal listing by google. To less confusion over the segmented show archive to the fact that i plan on doing this for the rest my life so let's make it right for the long term

1:03:33 Maybe I won't spare you the reasons why. But anyway, as you know there's always a plus portion to the interviews I do an extra hour for those who support the show with a plus subscription and this one with Jay Dyer is no different And in it we talked about a little more of my Gnosticism vs Orthodox Christianity questions Of course that's a natural continuation of The V for Vendetta discussion But we also talked about MKUltra in media, things like Stranger Things. Inversions of norms in media. Aliens as rebranded demons! You know I love that and what I really loved talking to Jay about was his globalist book analysis series that he does for his paid subscribers and that's where we talked about Jonas Salks own writings on vaccines and their uses which ties into our last show with Del BigTree

1:04:27 And we had a lot of tie-ins today. Even KJ Osborne got to mention, and that's fun when that happens pretty organically right? We also talked about geoengineering and weather weapons spin in film another great section from his book I think that second hour has a lot of interesting stuff in it and again guys, i do really like both Esoteric Hollywood 1 & 2. Jay's books are great reads! I am thankful to him for sending me the set and signing them both. Great additions to the higher side bookshelf... And sometimes I sit and think man, I have a really great collection of signed books from great authors that I've interviewed

1:05:10 Maybe they're my peers, I guess. But they're talented guys and i'm lucky to know them and be involved in any way! I got the best job in the world but that's the show. I hope you enjoyed it we do it all for you... ...and of course ourselves but I am very thankful for everyone hearing this and I hope you keep coming back. I'm getting out of here your move Hollywood Wizards Culture Creation Occultists and makers of that sweet sweet 8mm magic Your. Fucking. Move. You know the plan has always been to hack your brain MKUltra's trying to drive you insane They'll explode your heart if they think that's what it takes You think I'm answering the phone, well I ain't You gotta keep the curtains drawn Cause you don't want anyone thinking you're at home Well you're not! You should tape the mail slot

1:06:11 And baby if I seem withdrawn, let me say it's cause' I just don't wanna go and get whacked Maybe you should know that the trauma affects you like it does everyone It's just a game plan. It's what the world has become They want a pat down and a swap Don't you see what's going on? Well now you know You're better keeping on your own cause you can see The masters lie too much Oh baby, you can only trust yourself And if you think the system's out of touch It is and you can only trust yourself I hope you know the elite aren't your friends

1:07:04 They'll suck out everything from you in the end And if for some reason you think I might be wrong, I wonder where you got that opinion from You gotta keep the curtains drawn Cause you don't want anyone thinking your at home Well your not. You should tape the mail slot And baby if I seem withdrawn Let me say it's cause' I just don't wanna go and get whacked Maybe you should know that The trauma affects you like it does everyone It's just the game plan, it's what the world's become They want a pat down and a swap Don't you see what's going on? Well now you know

1:07:54 You're better keeping on your own cause you can see Masters lie too much Oh baby, you can only trust yourself And if you think the system's out of touch It is and you can only trust yourself Da da da da da da Da da da da da da Da da da da da da Da da da da da You might think that these problems are small Or maybe they aren't registering at all Now they know you're naive and vulnerable You won't believe all of the stunts that they'll pull

1:08:54 Cause you can see the masters lie too much Oh baby, you can only trust yourself And if you think the system's out of touch It isn't You can only trust yourself Cause you can see the masters lie too much Oh baby, you can only trust yourself And if you think the system's out of touch It is and you can only trust yourself