James Grundvig | Vaccines, Autism, & CDC Corruption

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00:43 How's it going, Hireside Chatters? From sunny San Diego I am Greg Carlwood and today we're getting deep into the vaccine topic. Something that i actually think is very serious and isn't talked about fairly nearly enough It can be a pretty polarizing an emotional subject in some ways like the abortion issue because both sides are really just trying to do what's right for their family and the health of children who are pretty defenseless so I get it...I DO But if you've adopted any part of the anti-vax script, you have to be honest and say that you really don't know what's in those shots. You are putting full blind trust in the CDC and the handful of corporations that make them—that is your choice! But unless you're in the industry, you're being disingenuous if you say much more than that. And I think this is an issue where a lot of us should humble up

01:35 But the other thing is that at its core, it is more about do we trust these particular institutions and companies? What's their track record? Do they have a history of manipulating data? Have there ever been cases of widespread injury due to something they've manufactured? Have they ever put profit before the health of customers that put their trust in them. And I don't think most people will like answers to those questions if they'd do some real digging Every pharmaceutical commercial we see on TV is littered with side effects, even for medications fully formed adults would take in a pill form. Yet when we're told that inoculations injected into very young and still developing bodies under the skin are 100% effective with zero side effects ever... Is that even a reasonable thing to put our trust in when we look at the wider industry as a whole?

02:23 And if you look at the trend to make vaccines mandatory, to eliminate choice and sanctity over a person's own body—how could we really ever be okay with that? On principle should we really give that type of control over anyone? Especially when they're legally bound to the profit motive in the case of these corporations. As far as I'm concerned, that alone is a conflict of interest." But we're going to get this thing started before I start repeating myself too much. I only wanted to say that this show does clock in a little bit on the shorter side, my guest James Grunwick, to my knowledge really is not used to such a long form interview but he wrote a great book about an interesting saga that exposes the serious lack of integrity at CDC and his family has been touched very personally by the vaccine issue so

03:08 So I appreciate the willingness to participate in my sometimes draining show structure here, with a podcast name that's not exactly serious. And his dedication and commitment to doing the research required to become a truly knowledgeable activist for something that has injected itself into his life is pretty inspiring and I think it does deserve quite a bit of respect That said, let's do the damn thing. Vaccines, autism and fraud at the CDC with James Crumbin. Enjoy! They built a little empire out of some crazy garbage called the blood of the exploited working class. We've overcome their shinin', now we're calling our highness and the world screams

04:06 Save me, THC. Save me, THC. Alright Hiresight Chatters we know by now that the world is largely run by the entrenched power networks of unseen hands and whether we're talking about media money education or medicine We find that there will be a small group of corporations think tanks or institutions dominating their slice of the conspiracy pie And that's no accident It's something we've seen time and time again, and today we're going to hone in on medicine or more specifically the CDC and vaccine safety because we've all received the constant ear beating from corporate media scientific institutions in establishment medicine that rigorous testing has proven without a shadow of doubt that vaccines are completely safe. And the whistleblowers on this issue have been thoroughly debunked and disbarred but I

04:58 I for one get very skeptical when it seems like every person I encounter is aggressively reading from the same propagandizing script, and you should too. So to set the record straight is today's guest author and investigative journalist James Grunwig who didn't just take their word for it but instead dug deep into the data and long history of corruption which he lays out in his new book Master Manipulator The Explosive True Story Of Fraud Embezzlement And Government Betrayal At The CDC It's a fascinating tale that will blow your mind more than once and I'm psyched to get into it. James, my man welcome to the higher side. Glad to be here! Yeah thanks for doing this you wrote an amazing book and i came away with A lot of suspicions confirmed And feeling way more knowledgeable about a pretty complex situation But it seems like You've written on a pretty wide range Of subjects What made you decide To tackle this particular issue?

05:48 I have an autistic son and he's one of the original 5,000 cases that were kicked out of vaccine court due to thimerosal poisoning. He has the inability to collate metals So he got all his inoculations back in 2000, 2001 and 2002. And thimerosal was never able to leave his body by two-and-a-half or three years old, he became autistic from it. He's a regressive form but clearly in my opinion and in my research, definitely thimerosal from vaccines causes autism without a doubt Well, I am sorry to hear that. And obviously you have a really deep and personal connection to this story. Your book comes locked and loaded with an introduction from Robert Kennedy Jr., which is impressive. He comments that as an environmental lawyer he knows firsthand that statistical studies and scientific reports can be twisted and fixed to provide really any conclusion they're looking for. This is a big part of the issue right? It's something people need to be aware of really across-the-board wouldn't you say?

06:48 Absolutely. Bobby, in fact with Robert De Niro the actor just launched a new project called World Mercury Project so go to worldmercuryproject.com online and you'll learn about it so he's a true champion on this space of time arousal particularly in mercury and how its damaging generations of kids Yeah, this is the problem kind of right from the start in your book isn't it? The CDC seems to be looking for someone to provide studies that give them the conclusions they want which is that there is no link between mercury-based preservatives like thermerosol and the rise of autism regardless of what the truth seems to be. Right? So what inspired me really write the book was in 2014 when CDC scientist Dr Bill Thompson basically was I guess outed would be the word for it as a whistleblower

07:37 and the tapes were recorded by Brian Hooker, and Andy Wakefield brought it out. And that inspired me to dig deeper into the Danish studies. So if you look at Dr. Thompson he's the domestic fraud at CDC. The international fraud ends up in Denmark. I'm being a first generation Norwegian-American having spent four or five summers over there working with a lot of Danish people. I knew the culture very well and I decided this is something I really wanted to do And if anybody's wondering about the connection between the documentary Vaxxed, which is popular and your book. Like you said Dr Thompson is kind of the focus of the movie Vaxxed which is the American side of it and then of course your book focuses on this other scientist who was working on helping to fudge the data in Denmark Yes he was I guess at right place at the right time from a point-of-view of CDC came over in 1999

08:32 right before the Simpson Wood meeting on thimerosal, before the aluminum secret meeting in San Juan Puerto Rico three weeks before that on aluminum adjuvants. And Thorson was one of what he called visiting scientists who have I guess visitors from around the world come to CDC as part of a program and so he was there and he ends up with a girlfriend named Dr. Diana Schendel who now works at Thorson's University in Denmark if you believe it after 20 years of CDC And they became a couple and together, they were able to raise a lot of money because the CDC needed to have studies to basically make MMR part of the vaccine autism issue and thimerosal go away. In Denmark, they spent up to eight or $10 million to basically come up with fraudulent studies which is quite amazing if you think about it. There's so many people I'm sure who... The first kind of thoughts about this

09:30 Especially when I talk to critics is it's impossible. There are too many people involved, the story would be way too big and what are you trying to say that they're poisoning us? So a lot of critics just think it's just like too big of a story but here we are Well, so what I liked about the book and the research—well, I guess the research surprised me when I dug deeper is Paul Thorson is the main mass manipulator but there are others in the book. There's a CDC ultimate manipulator Dr. Julie Gerberding who's now the president of vaccines at Merck. There is Colleen Boyle who's still there which believe it or not she was a principal investigator for Asian orange studies that were false studies the CDC did there in 1980s and today she is the director

10:14 of the NCBDDD, which is the National Centers for Birth Defects and Developmental Disabilities. So basically she's in charge of American children's health. The person that's behind a fraud, Agent Orange and behind fraud on thimerosal and MMR she's in charge with kids today. And hopefully Donald Trump will do something about it Right. That was going to be one of my questions for you because you do have a quote in the book where you say, but like all things Paul Thorson underestimated over the past two decades, the U S might just extradite him one day with a new president in 2017 and now that the election is over I mean what are your thoughts on that possibility? Are you a little more hopeful? Oh, I'm a lot more hopeful. Can't tell you what I'm doing exactly but I'm working with a team of six other people

11:01 They will remain nameless. We are already making a move in the direction to Donald Trump directly, to his family and hopefully he'll give direct to AG to go extradite Thorson and then from there I'll write a sequel to that book if that happens. So yes, it is a complex tangled web. There's a lot of people involved and I want to definitely get more into each of these people because they have sketchy things in their history that just opens up a bunch of cans and worms but to get into the Marisol Is there anything more you can tell us about this preservative? The Marisol itself and who makes it and its history in vaccines Yeah so Eli Lilly invented back in the late 1920s

11:46 And if you look at the history of autism, autism was first identified in 1943. So if you think about children getting vaccines with mercury and early 30s went by time they hit their puberty years, they found eight or nine of them with autism and that's what started this all The reason why we see such an increase in autism epidemic today as opposed to the 1960s when I was growing up, the number of vaccines and booster shots is something like 69 or 70 over a kid's first 18 years of life. With a lot of them stacked up at pregnancy for the flu shot with thimerosal, birthshot, hep B, then there are whole bunch of them

12:29 And no safety studies have ever been done like if three or four different kinds of vaccines are given at one time, what would that do to a child? And no one knows exactly what it does. So there's no studies in that regard. So on thimerosal the reason why Denmark was picked because Denmark banned thimerosol they banned in 1992. It was enacted 93 And they also have a health registry, a Danish registry of like the five million citizens there. And so the CDC thought like let's go back and not do safety studies but let's just go back and back test data. And that's all they did. In doing so though, there were different ways that Denmark identified autistic kids from early 90s to late 90s. There are different parameters. So this... They kept fudging with the data manipulating it. And then Colleen Boyle is an example

13:23 What are your emails which was released in a freedom of information letter for you she basically said what happens if we get rid of the two thousand one data set entire year what happens is u, flatline show no association between autism and vaccines with my mary's. That's what they did as an example, right? And there are obviously many ways that this data was fudged and it was in multiple studies that it was fudged But yeah I found that to be really insightful especially there's also another part of your book were you here Here we go. Apparently when it comes to Boyle helping to fudge this data, they come to her and say hey, we got some data that doesn't show what we want to show how can we kind of tweak it to make it better? Yep! And she came up with seven points and point two reads

14:12 Verbatim, since most of the diagnoses are generally not picked up until the second or third year of life had you considered eligibility criteria have at least 18 months or two years what happens if you do this? You know kind of subtly suggesting if you just widened the scope to beyond the years in which autism is diagnosed. You're going to get a lot more negative results which actually like help suppress the spike and autism when connected to this vaccine It's stunning actually i mean the whole idea behind a scientific study is to come up with, i guess what you call your scope yeah what are the parameters for studying and actually.

14:53 Adhere to those standards right to that those limits and when you start playing with the data on the other side of the entire studies actually worthless at that point. And that's something the documentary gets into is there as rigorous protocol for this type of thing and your spouse do up front layout exactly what you're gonna doing how you're gonna do it correct So that there is a paper trail back to your original intention. And if anything deviates, now there's accountability because here was the plan at the beginning and then here's where we got to at the end and so any deviation there I mean that's a serious red flag in here There are many

15:31 And so not only is it many, right? It's like playing football. And if you don't like the score give the other team five downs to get a first down, right? So I mean, it's absolutely crazy what they did but I guess a bigger part for me as they go back and back test data because they wanted to fast track this. They wanted basically dismiss this issue as quickly as possible. So that's why they did it. They never really done a true vaccinated versus unvaccinated study as Congressman Bill Posey has asked for from the CDC. They've never done that, and that would be placebo versus thimerosal would be one study is an example. Placebo versus MMR vaccine is another, and it's quite amazing that these studies have never been done right? It really is, and that is a important point if people are skeptical of that they say well how could there not be any tests between vaccinated and unvaccinated kids

16:28 Like you said, this guy Posey he had Colleen Boyle under oath in front of Congress and he asked her point blank and she of course wiggled out a bit so we had to ask her second time that are there these studies? And she had to say because she's under oath. She said no because what they do in the studies is they apparently test for vaccinated kids who are going along with the pre-approved time scheduling versus kids who get the vaccine late. So there's no kids in this study that don't have a vaccine at all, it's just did they get it 18 months or later down the road? And of course, the trend still shows that if you go with the schedule they give out your risk of autism increases but

17:14 the gap would be so much wider if we had non-vaccinated kids in the study. Absolutely, it's quite startling that part of it. So what was interesting about Thorson is you basically got to hire a pirate to go do your studies Eventually he decided to put his hand in the cookie jar and reward himself. So I guess they never expected that to happen Yeah, and that is a whole can of worms in itself But to get back to the Marisol a little bit Yep It's multiple countries around the world have banned it or taken steps to remove it from rotation I mean correct this is known around the world just not in the American bubble it seems

17:56 So the UN in 2013 basically banned mercury and cosmetics everywhere, banned mercury from everything. And United States didn't want that. The big pharma vaccine maker says no no we can't have that you got to leave thimerosal alone so they made an exception for thimerosal in the United States. Basically they're banning mercury from everywhere except here Right. And so since we talked about not having those studies that show rates with kids that aren't vaccinated, is there any way we could look at autism rates in these other nations and kind of get some kind of hodgepodge together data? I think that's something I'm going to look at a couple things I'm gonna do one is I'm gonna estimate the cost to society of all these millions of kids who are eventually grow up and need adult care

18:43 I'm also estimate the cost of the other side which is their removal as productive members of society so you're not only gonna lose, not only are we gonna cost society healthcare costs right? You're also gonna lose all these potential Steve Jobs and Bill Gates people out there because they never have an opportunity to grow normally. So your going to lose 2 or 3 million kids who are not going to be part of society a part of the economy part of market part of innovation it's amazing the damage this is going to cause. Yeah, the scope of the damage and the cost is pretty insane when you think about it I mean it really pales in comparison to uh... people who have been killed by terrorism in the last decade. Yep! This is a lot of people and its very very sad Yes no I agree and another thing that I want to do which is your point I've not done yet but I'm gonna do it shortly Is to look at thimerosal and vaccines right?

19:38 UK japan denmark and maybe one fifth country and just take a look cross the board autism rates what are the vaccine schedules, show us all for demark does not have all the vaccines united states has it has one third of the vaccines in your kids are totally healthy. I'm not dying from measles or anything else like that so its lost up blown up portion by american media which is paid for by big farm which is part of this Basically, when you talk about a rigged system Donald Trump was talking about this is the rigged system right here. The CDC's dealt with the rigged system. Right it gets to be a slippery slope because when I try to talk to people about vaccines and i'm facing resistance I say look I don't doubt the science of vaccines I'm not here to debate the science of it the merit of it as

20:24 a protection method in itself. But I don't trust these companies who aren't doing enough testing and they're only for profit, and they're very tight lipped about everything. Everything's proprietary and really off limits from public scrutiny. And that's the problem is the amount of vaccines. And even if like we talked about the increased rate of vaccines here in the States, it's exploded like crazy even if there there were only like let's say now we get close to 70 vaccines even if 50 of them are just water. I mean these companies are incentivized to give more and more and more because they can charge for it so where, where are they going to stop? There is no line! So i'll give you example my book was published in May and I really started getting into the Zika story

21:11 until june a month later so i started looking at a lot of research and see how part of two different groups of scientists online pulls up ninety in another pool of two hundred, and we share a lot information as well the journal is your love with him advice versa. I was able to interview doctors on zika and i realize it's just the next cbc bogeyman so they can make vaccines that don't care about treatment I don't want to show treatment which was actually discovered university press cover that back in september. Basically they found a tapeworm and if you think about where is the equator africa right uganda,

21:51 And you think about what your tapeworm comes from, same geographical region. It actually makes a lot of sense so they've already come up with this but nowhere if you look up tapeworm antidote Zika virus You're not going to find it on the mainstream press I'll never covered you have to go to Florida State University and see it in some other blog outlets and media outlets for it's just stunning! There is another one being invented in Westchester County. I don't know about it yet But I've been tipped off to a doctor's inventing something, another treatment for Zika. And we're going to find out in the next month or two? I'm gonna go interview him up in Westchester and break that story. And, I just find it stunning that we've given billions of dollars for a virus that basically is not spreading the way its spreading. Microcephaly has never left Brazil. There's microcephaly United States from toxins and from other issues but as far as microcephaly falling Zika hasn't happened. This is CDC overreach its unbelievable

22:49 And there are other people in the alternative media who take it even steps further saying, where did Zika come from? I mean what is the CDC really working on. What is the Gates Foundation really working on and some people think that they're engineering things in a problem reaction solution type of way. Yep! That's pretty nefarious you can't claim ignorance on that No no its incredible also if you look at the timeline of Zika 2012 2013. Well, before Zika really started in Brazil 2014 to microcephaly whatever you look before those two really start showing up you had the GM mosquitoes right? The genetically modified mosquitoes You had a different kind of larvicide down there and you also had this host cell DTAP vaccine was given to pregnant poor women in that region So I'm wondering if this whole Zika thing is a cover-up A for that and B to make more money That's kind of how I'm looking at it Yikes

23:47 It is a yikes. So, is the microcephaly in these babies caused by vaccine made by GSK's subsidiary in Brazil? I don't know. I don't have the evidence on it yet but I'm definitely looking at it. Man! We hear these terms like MMR and Thimerosal and it can be complicated for people who might not have studied this stuff. Is it Thimerosal that is in the MMR vaccine that makes it bad or is the MMR vaccine a separate issue? That's a separate issue. And the expert on that is Dr Andy Wakefield, and I've met Andy several times i've known him for number of years He's the expert and in the movie Vax, he makes it very crystal clear that if the CDC just changed a vaccine schedule a little bit break up MMR number one into three different shots delay it until years two and three as opposed to one or whatever 18 months whatever it is right you would reduce the number of autistic kids United States by like a factor of 10. It's stunning

24:46 Hmm, right and that's because the MMR vaccine stands for measles mumps rutabella three different viruses They put it into one syringe and give it to children And he's saying that if you just gave it in three separate doses We would have a huge decrease in these rates of autism So the CDC seems like they know what they're doing to get the results that they're looking for I don't know. If you want to make your children sick Yeah, there certainly accomplishing that which is crazy but I think it was a month ago i was actually cdc for the meeting and that's basically vote on new vaccines or change of vaccine language. It's amazing how they are so virtual simple lines of words not looking to do three hpb vaccines for you know the women and kids returning 13 want to do two of them now,

25:38 But by doing so, you actually have more aluminum. So I haven't looked at that entire issue either." They realize they're having trouble of children coming back for the third HPV shot and that's probably one of the most Horrible vaccines as far as the effects. It's injured a lot of kids around the United States Mm-hmm, it's done a lot of damage right and so we have the Marisol which is this preservative that is mercury based and you may have mentioned aluminum are there other things in vaccines that people should be concerned about other than the Marisol Sure yet partial birth abortion human DNA in their or cells You have DNA from bovie, you know from cows pigs things like that you have

26:18 The medium they use, I guess like the petri dish they use to make these vaccines comes from a gelatin. And the gelatin it comes from, I guess farm or wherever. I don't know all of the science behind it but I do know that I think there's glyphosate which is banned in Denmark first country ever to do that. They banned last year gets into weed killer right roundup made by Monsanto actually ends up in some vaccines. There are studies being done by Dr Stephanie Zanuff on And it's very interesting. If you look at that, the SV40 virus which is apparently in there because they were testing it on monkeys. Which you mentioned the bovine components being in modern vaccines They test these things on animals and sometimes viruses apparently cross over

27:24 Some researchers have apparently equated a large, the large increase in cancer in the past few decades to this SV40 virus. That's a whole different thing but seems to be related. Right so if you type in cancer epidemic I guess 1995 you'd see it. So I lost a sister to cancer at 61 back in 2009 I lost an older brother. One was 61 and my brother was 62, he died two years ago from lymphoma cancer so I'm completely with you on those issues that's something else out doing a look at separately what is causing our cancer epidemic? It is a whole lot to look at and do have one thing in the book because you're trying

28:04 determine the safety of these metals and the human body, apparently there's a study on how aluminum and mercury in sunscreen has an effect—a devastating effect—on coral reefs. And maybe that would give us some insight into how bad the problem could be for humans." Yeah some humans are talking some people are sensitive certain things right and i'm gonna call reach a very sensitive we're learning all the bleaching warming oceans, what's up got it devastating effect i found out and i have to want to put that in the apple log my book no reason for. I was making analogy well if people believe climate change can i do right if you believe in where playing world warming up the skies everything else but we don't know that

28:44 And we're polluting this massive atmosphere that we have in the mass of oceans with toxins and basically invisible particles from gasoline, from coal, from mercury. All this stuff. Certainly we can absolutely poison a seven pound baby when they're born. So I'm kind of dumbfounded to have a group of people that says believe in climate change but don't believe that babies could be poisoned with toxins And I just, like flabbergasted by that lack of logic. Right? I'm with you. I feel like you can extrapolate a lot from that. So now if people want to know who else they should be mad at in this story Maurice Hilleman seems to be a good place to start too right? Yes he was i think the founder of the MMR vaccine He was at Merck and he had an opportunity of getting rid of thimerosin-92. He completely ignored the research that was done in Sweden

29:40 Denmark taking action and they basically shoved it aside. That's the early 90s, and Maurice passed away 2008 or 9 I believe. Then if you look at in 1999 two of the vaccine makers basically sent letters to CDC saying look we can actually make vaccines without thimerosal for whatever reason the CDC chose not too which is absolutely crazy if you think about it. It is crazy It just makes absolutely no sense. And they didn't do it, so we still have thimerosal. So even though they said they take them out of vaccines, they have not. Thimerosal is still used in a process. They strain it out and if you look at a vaccine shot today on the label says

30:22 thimerosal depleted. It doesn't say removed, it doesn't say free, it says depleted meaning they move most of but not all of that and yeah of course we talked about there being several people involved here but to stick with Maurice Hilleman for a minute this is from his wikipedia entry it says he was an American microbiologist who specialized in vaccinology and developed over 40 vaccines an unparalleled record of productivity. Of the 14 vaccines routinely recommended in current vaccine schedules, he developed 8." So obviously he's very instrumental this guy is a major player and it seems from your book that the reason he was able to have such a quote unparalleled record of productivity is because he's nothing more than a Merck agent who rubber stamps vaccines without much testing

31:05 That's correct. I mean, the vaccine court, you know, the 1986 Act 30 years ago really gave a license for the vaccine makers to basically pump out more vaccines that space with the given license to and so now the CDC together with Absolutely together with Big Pharma behind the scenes in my opinion is you know find the next boogeyman which Zika for now be something else next year. They're always looking for the next thing but, for instance last year when they missed on the flu season so they missed on the type of flu The strain last year So that the CDC came out and through the press says you should take it anyways It's not gonna work against a flu why bother? Yeah I mean, I don't get that I'm with you

31:51 How's it going to help you by getting a shot? I don't understand that at all. Right, just take our product anyway who cares it doesn't do what we said it does but buy it! Correct And you mentioned vaccine court and people should know about this too, because there's protections from liability with these vaccines. And they have paid out for some reasons but because of this specific data people who get autism as a result of these vaccines they have no legal recourse right? Very little legal recourse in fact there is a father of an autistic kid who is a good friend of mine Wayne Road has also published a book called Vaccine Court

32:32 by my publisher Skyworks Publishing and Wayne and I are going to do a very detailed couple of articles coming up in December together. And it's going on the 30-year history vaccine court, what he is learning today, he is able to get a lot information and other information that government refuses to give so for instance if you are a government employee go to college, sign all these applications, you're always told what your race right? What your culture? What's your background whatever Male female go to the gender the whole thing and vaccine court they do not for people put application that don't track. Who's who you can find out african americans latinos asians white people whatever if u can find that information app i guess by design they don't want that information be out there,

33:21 Yeah. And according to the Vaxxed movie, it seems like the data they're hiding is that both African-Americans and males get this at an increased rate it seems right? Yes so the males are four to one as far as autism that's for sure and Andy Wakefield was very crystal clear So basically CDC again changed the scope of the study They didn't like the results from Bill Thompson so what do they do They counted kids in Atlanta, but not that kids weren't Atlanta moved out. So they basically you know African American children so they're basically were able to wipe out well the ones are out of state now we don't we're not going to track them. So it cut off 40% from a study and that certainly had an impact on showing no association again. So here's the CDC playing literally with corruption right? And

34:12 To kind of clarify that issue, we mentioned earlier that you have to say what you're going to do up front and you cannot deviate from the study or it throws up red flags. And this is one of those issues where they were supposed to get the race of the children in this study in Atlanta from their birth certificates because everybody's got a birth certificate says what race you are But halfway through the study, because they wanted to obscure this data about African American children. They decided to start getting people's race from their school records Well that excludes people who transferred into the state Because only half of kids in a small percentage have always lived in Georgia So if someone comes from out-of-state it won't say race Also those records are just slightly less complete anyway They don't always have something in the race spot

35:02 It's just a different place to get that information so you can obscure that data. And that is specifically one of the details of those red flags, right? Absolutely correct. Yeah, that's absolutely what happened and they destroyed so here the government officials destroyed the records also but Bill Thompson knew something we didn't smell right in Denmark who knows Atlanta Georgia and Thompson was smart enough at the time to save everything I've actually got the Thompson files with me on my computer died you know I don't publish them or anything So I have a few other people in United States have outside of congressman posing

35:39 And it's very interesting. You can literally see handwritten notes and stuff like that, it's quite amazing what they've done. It's like playing a game of checkers or chess and changing the rules during the match. It just doesn't make any sense at all. Right! And it has got to be so frustrating for you having experienced such a personal connection to this and then also having the smoking gun evidence at your fingertips... I mean what more do we need? Correct me so orange in my book is chapter five. Is your new black and that's about calling her being the principal investigator for those studies here is a government congress gives the cdc in nineteen eighty four

36:25 Someone like seventy one million and seven years ago go do all these different studies. Call me boil in her team of thirty i guess thirty scientists and another whole bunch of assistance basically were given the go to go show your social media orange, add a bit on that's there were dying of acute cancers and rare diseases back in the eighties and what they did was They took the flight records of Operation Ranch Hand and they said, well we can't find a troop movements even though the US Army had an archive of it in Harrisburg Pennsylvania. And I guess the CDC was too lazy or really didn't want to find out if it's true so they never made that trip to Harrisburg from Atlanta. And worse, they quit the study two years early and they left $20 million on table which is a lot of money back in the 80s. They walked away

37:24 Two years early, $20 million on the table. What agency does that unless you want to hide something? They basically hide something because they don't want to find an association between Agent Orange and sick Vietnam vets. To this day Colin Boyle writes about there's really nothing to it even though there is a Vietnam registry for 500,000 sick Vietnam vets you know, listed their names under the registries. It's absolutely incredible. Right and so you add that to the list of Colleen Boyle's crimes and it just seems like to go chronologically They had her running point on this study for Agent Orange, and of course she comes to the conclusion that Monsanto should be free of any kind of crimes here because there's no connection whatsoever. And this paves the way for her being oh we know who we can trust! We can trust Dr Boyle so they get her to run point again when she is needed to clear some nefarious multinational corporations of wrongdoing with a vaccine study

38:20 Absolutely correct. So what's amazing, I guess when Boyle wasn't fired and people weren't fired for basically failing to do their job in the 80s that obviously emboldened her so she said well if i can come up with a template of finding no association for Agent Orange I could do the same thing for vaccines and autism and based on that is what she ended up doing. Now she's director so you get promoted for failing to do something, you get promoted for corruption And she's now at the very top, one of the top executives in CDC. It is wild man! I mean Dr. Colleen Boyle just in these two situations has contributed to a helluva lot of pain for people Has she run point on any other investigations that you know of that might fit this template? No if you go to the NCBDDD website which is a branch under the CDC You can read up on her and see what she's doing lately it's quite interesting Man

39:17 And so to get back to kind of the main story here, you know they're hiring this Danish guy Paul Thornson. They found him to do the research they wanted and Is there any more to say about him and in his background why he was in such a unique position? To be the best guy for this yeah So he was very good at raising money obviously He was allows these scientists so Song studies that thorson has his name on the five days studies he didn't do any of the work so i was able to talk to a personal investigator and two those studies christian madson, i was able to get massive talking at the time in 2000 2001 use basically in this late twenty with phd candidates student. Add or who's university where thorson was working

40:03 And he went and actually complained that Thorson wasn't doing any work whatsoever. Bringing money, grant money for a study is not doing work you actually have to be physically involved in your name on it either have to read the brief contribute somehow he never did anything so basically they're breaking the Vancouver protocol The Vancouver Protocol is an international standard on scientific honesty And so that alone should make those studies no boy. The other thing is thorson was a lousy teacher but i was able to speak to one of his former students and the time there were four classes forty students each class, how's your mother and why the second week source which was teaching to ten or twelve kids they were free to go to the other classes in a dead pile up he was very bad teacher

40:57 You bought yourself a harley davidson in stone mountain georgia which is east of druid hills where we see she located he had a cdc email address what time, i'm an american citizen i don't have the cdc email address as an example right but you did. As a foreigner you had to see bank account is the cdc credit union three branches down by disease control and able to forge invoices And he got letterhead maybe from Dino shell, maybe just stole outright. But he got letterhead CDC letter and was able to write different invoices from the CDC saying pay this that pay the CDC back or whatever. So he was able to get money sent from CDC to Denmark and Denmark sent back to his bank account in CDC. If you go through the Department of Justice indictment here 22 counts half wire fraud have check writing for himself

41:55 And the reason clearly why, you know former AG Eric Holder or Loretta Lynch has never submitted the paperwork is if Thorson is ever ex-United States it'd be a bloodbath. He would actually be able to point all corruption he'd probably give an immunity, he'll point the finger at Gerberding to some degree they'll point the finger to Colleen Boyle, to Dinah Shandell and others It'd be very damaging and it would basically blow up the entire vaccine industry. That's also one reason why they don't want them to come back to United States, because then the truth would be out about thimerosal and autism

42:33 Mm hmm. Exactly so here's this guy at the you know, the center of this big conspiracy of sorts He is taking these massive grants from the CDC to do research and he's just embezzling it And he's just pocketing that money You mentioned him buying the motorcycle It's a thirty thousand dollar special edition right thirty six thousand dollars in 2006 ten years ago Yeah yeah So the whole Davidson classic he then takes fifty five thousand you know, here or there. And he puts a down payment on the half-million dollar home. Put down his 10%, with American taxpayer money. Yeah very emboldened to steal all this money but he knew that they're not gonna extradite him and they're not going to bring them back to the states and put them on trial and air out all their dirty laundry No, so what I believe happened

43:23 I have i don't have the evidence on this but what i believe that i believe truly gerberding had enough she was on the way out your do you have her offers from mark to become president of action history, will obama coming as president in january two thousand nine changing the guard. Good thing sorry exit she took it remember that the stock market basically had a super meltdown crash and september two thousand eight If you go back and look at the indictment, which you can find online. You see the last two payments that Thorson made to himself were $29,000 each. Both were made by Halloween of that year. Thorson had one more payment to himself and then I believe she added him because as time goes on, Julie Gerberding leaves January 20th. Paul Thorson's investigation begins in February

44:16 of that year at university internal audit discover all these funds missing thorson resigns from the university on the first march this is by design right. A new dean of the university president university comes in, your gun i think come to the first of april so you look at the timeline for some continuous next nine months use that he still has his research group at university when you resign from university so you able to parlay that into working. Add john hopkins at every university and last gig in the united states was an adjunct professor address university got a job in december two thousand nine it would be for another three four months when they had a basic fire

45:11 I guess the good news was he was only able to teach one student, so he never really got traction there. His whole world kind of collapsed. We checked with the Department of Justice and the warrant is still out for his arrest. If you ever can in the United States be arrested right off the bat that's number one. Extraditions work where if you have country A and country B, like allies like Denmark and United States. If you have what he did was a crime in the United States is basic crime over in Denmark then the extradition is pretty much straightforward paperwork process that's all it is And I have Thorson three addresses and I know where he works I've added that even though university

45:56 Odense university which is between all who's in copenhagen another university he works and a. I guess the behind the scenes there it was what's interesting still doing studies so get names of studies its quite remarkable, NIH continues to find some study i've had words with you know that the media reps at the nih say how can you have any fun to start with this guy will this future on it So it's pretty interesting. Yeah, that part blew me away the fact that he still working somewhat in this industry and has influence I mean he should be in jail or at least just not involved in this kind of stuff anymore but we've also mentioned Diane Schendel a couple times and this is his girlfriend Paul's well... He was romantically involved with her I guess you can't say girlfriend. It's true now but she works

46:54 on autism epidemiology at OSU. She works where Thorson is now banned from that university, she works there. Thorson has a condo, OSU is on the Baltic Sea so it's got a nice beautiful little beach there and everything else he's got a condo right there I also know his townhouse he has at Odense University also know his girlfriend's address up in Stockholm Sweden So basically I've got everything on him. So if Donald Trump needs Help to go find Paul Thorson. I'll find him for no problem at all. I got his phone number, I got his email address, we've got everything." Wow and yeah it seems like as soon as he knew he needed it to get out of the states He did and then eventually Diane just joined them And now they're still working together in the same kind of industry right?

47:42 So she got a two-year letter reprimand. That is like you're put on notice at the CDC, if you screw up one more time, basically fired and lose your pension so she got that in 2009. Like I said when Gerberding left, her handwriting's not on any of this. I think she basically hinted to some people at CDC, you might want to look at Thorsen over in Denmark and by the way you might want to give a letter reprimand to Shendell and boom out the door she went And she survived it she joined university is a part time professor two thousand and thirteen now full-time professor i tracked her down got nervous threatening email actually just my style new yorker right as a viking yorker, add the dean of health ellen flip burger whatever his name is in he actually spotted well good if you're not gonna talk to me.

48:34 Can you answer some questions i basically force university to spend a month and ask my eleven question for them can have more wishy washy, your kind of dancing around like no if the worst didn't do any work in this how can his name be understudied dance around the vancouver protocol. This stuff. Madison brought this issue, he did no work 15 years ago and the universe never did anything is that professor still there? He goes absolutely so I got all the information it was very interesting Diana Shandell's history is not in epidemiology she's an anthropologist she in fact was married to two different anthropologists She uh is older than Thorson by the way Thorson's born in 61 she born in 55 or 6 whatever year it was And she grew up in Tallahassee Florida

49:21 And she went to one of the university there whatever got married very young seventies got divorced and again eventually got her a PhD in anthropology through Penn State University or some college in pennsylvania. She ends up at warburn mass in nineteen ninety one which is the famous cancer clusters of children for the two wells are poisoned that town north of boston, So she's part of that civil action movie with john told us she was actually doing the epidemiology studies on those cancer clusters shoes above and so what i email diana chandler actually.

50:05 I tricked her. I basically set up a female email avatar, and i posed as the female journalist that hadn't written anything on children in 15 years and I'd like to interview you about what you're doing dot-dot-dot followed your career all at BS from Wilbur Mast to OHS University And so they were able to strike up conversation she had no idea she was talking to me So she had one email that blurb is somewhere in the book where she talks about well I don't do environmental studies on children Well, wolvermask was nothing but environmental. It's entirely toxin related. Entirely toxin related! It is quite amazing. And for people who don't know that story what was it that was poisoning this water? Well so you had the tanning leather factory there and some other stuff... So at some point they had all these industries basically out in the suburbs that were literally poisoning these two wells. Industrial contamination

51:04 Basically, absolutely. So they're toxins at the end of the day and so for her to do the corruption that the CDC with a Danish studies knowing about Toxins it's bogs of mind that she is also that out-of-whack or center whatever want to call it That she herself has become corrupted How did you do cancer cluster studies on Wilbur mass? And then ten years later basically Yeah, you know no thymus wasn't causing lumen doesn't cause anything there is no autism epidemic It's kind of crazy when you look at her career as it is. You know, people talk about wage slaves? Well if you work for the government and got pension slaves right? You basically have to follow the lead of your agency boss or whoever whatever agency may be and you better do your work otherwise they get fired, you lose your pension so she was demoted twice I actually got all our employment records

52:03 from 1999 to 2005. I don't print them anywhere because that's based on her business, but I labeled it to review it and then I made a spreadsheet out of it and there was two times she got a demotion salary and demotion titles. I thought that was interesting so what do I take out? Basically the CDC uses that as a weapon you know the threat of taking away your pension is a weapon and so if forces you coerces you to, either my way or the highway. Follow the program." And so she over time basically buckled twice came around and the rest is history. Right? That's so interesting! You can basically plot on a graph and pinpoint where she compromised her morals potentially. Yeah, potentially right allegedly but I mean

52:55 I never had a chance to really interview. Actually, went up to Oase University...I went to Denmark for last week of May in 2015 as part of the research for the book. Madison came around three weeks later and talked on my phone several times he answered emails at best of his ability right? He went on record you do want his name associated with Thorson et al in any size shape or form so obviously he was very respectful asked me to do a couple things that I did you know as a journalist honor certain things right And chandel i missed her by ten minutes like actually wanted to basically meet her and i literally miss about ten minutes so what's wrong with this picture of a mailbox name on it, picture of her name on the office at university and those friday afternoon three o'clock she left a quarter off.

53:45 So I just missed her. That would have been interesting had I interviewed her." Yeah, you're way more comfortable with confrontation than me but it's necessary in this case. Yeah! She might not have talked to me but I guarantee your complexion would've changed when she saw me that much I know. Right. She'd be startled and stunned and everything else If we're not going to get real legal justice here at least you can spook somebody let them know you're onto them At least I did that. But, I think we have a legitimate shot at Donald Trump maybe saying go bring this guy to the United States right? You know his son from what i've read online, what I read is his son Barron has never been vaccinated and he's solely healthy and they did that for a reason

54:35 Right. They did that for a reason, so if Barron's 10 years old born 2006 they probably you know he as Trump said before he's had employees with autistic children He knows about the issue. He actually met with Andy Wakefield and three other people I know in August So he knows about Vaxxed we got a copy of Vaxxed and copy up couple books. He knows about this Wow! We're reaching out to him again Yeah are are you more hopeful than if Hillary would have won? No. Hillary, in fact—I don't know if you know about this but the CDC had a notice of proposed rulemaking on quarantines and naturally they published this in August when everyone's on vacation and they gave only two months to comment on it but in the two months 15 000 people commented including myself including the ACLU including different non-profit organizations centered around health

55:30 and stuff like that. Basically, the 88 pages, the CDC quarantine this thing would not have gone through Congress right? They wanted to be able the ability to apprehend anybody anywhere in United States over an infectious disease so if you had a cough or sniffle you basically get arrested at a bus stop, at airport taken in and there's no due process they would eliminate due process And so thank god Hillary is not in because Hillary would have allowed that to happen. And if you're talking about, can you imagine like they bring you in? To one of these stations, the Department of Homeland Security will bring it and then I guess some kind of doctor or a local hospital would say how your vaccines doing oh you're late and give you all five or six seven vaccines at one shot. So this this is the kind of V for vendetta movie

56:24 fascism that Hillary was going to absolutely push forward, in my opinion. You talk about annihilating the Bill of Rights—I've written an article on this—it completely would destroy the Bill of Rights. Half your amendments would have been gone had this gone through and with Trump I you know if Attorney General is Ted Cruz, this has definitely not gone through. Ted Cruz is a constitutionalist so's Donald Trump, so's Mike Pence. So this CDC actually has an article out that the mood down there is depressed now they're worried Well, they should be because I don't think Tom Frieden the director is going to be around too much longer. Here's a guy that fumbles Ebola crisis completely mishandles it. The nurses got sick in United States were wearing the wrong hazmat suits. The CDC team needed it so he had no protocol place then nothing. CDC didn't know how to handle this which are shocking considering you're on the front lines of this and West Africa

57:19 Then you have the Zika nonsense and it's only about money. It is not about the disease, it's not about Microsoft, they care less all they want to do is get money so what does Obama do? He gives $300 million dollars to a Japanese vaccine maker to fast track a Zika virus vaccine. They're now testing a Zika virus vaccine. And going back to my friend, Wayne Rhoads who's the expert in vaccine court he says when you sign the waiver for being that guinea pig for the Zika vaccine if you die your family has got no recourse to sue the vaccine maker so this is talking about a shot in the dark that is it in my opinion then Congress mistakenly gives 1.1 billion dollars more towards Zika which is just absolutely crazy this is only for the vaccine makers

58:11 And we're basically doing for a disease that is really 80% of the people, it's mild. They don't even know they have it. Jeez! So just as we're wrapping up here how bad is the autism trend? What does the future looking like in that department because this is an epidemic probably more severe than a lot of people realize It's a lot more severe so go back to just 2000 you had what one and one thousand one and five hundred whatever whatever the number was And that's exploded just in my son's lifetime. In 16 years, it exploded to now you have a one in 45 kids and CDC deliberately and I will say deliberately by design showed no increase from 2014-2016 on purpose. It still stuck at one of 68 in their opinion but the reality is much higher than that. If this trend line keeps going eventually we're gonna have what?

59:08 You're gonna have one out of 10? I mean, what cost to society does... What does that serve society when we get there in 2025 or whenever it may happen. What will that do? God yeah. You talking about completely damaging the fabric of America is what you doing It's rough it's a lot even taken. I know your grown weeds just so he can pull the weeds. Basically that's what this all about for money And just to put a fine point on it, when anybody says that classic line of this has all been debunked. You need to go online show them representative Possley grilling Colleen Boyle in Congress under oath where she says there has never been a study with non vaccinated kids versus vaccinated kids and the rate of autism in Egypt hasn't existed so you tell me what's been debunked because I don't as far as I know the experts are saying the study hasn't even

1:00:07 The study hasn't been done. Like I said, back testing data anyone can manipulate data doing that. Doing an actual clinical trial is a real study not going back and back testing data but the database where Denmark was changing their criteria for the age of autism what is autism you know somewhere in hospital somewhere or in doctors offices all this different stuff and they're very easily able to CDC's able to with force himself to manipulate the data totally Totally fraudulent studies Wow. Well James it has been so enlightening to read your book and have you here to talk about it Thanks for doing the work requirement If people do want to follow up on you and your work tell them where they can go To get the book and maybe check out other things You're doing yeah, sure actually got three books published this year The first one was master manipulator that's on the autism crisis CDC crisis

1:01:00 And you just see that so you go to amazon.com for that I have a novel out called dolphin drone Which is uh, tom clancy with navy dolphins and i published a book on the fake van gogh at the met And that was published in October, all by Skyrose Publishing, all three books. You can also go to my website JAMGrundvig, G-R-U-N-D for David V for Victor I.G., jamgrundvig dot com Go there and you learn about all three books and if you are a parent considering vaccines or if your parent is autistic child just google my name James Grundvig And you see the article written or go by the bookmaster mail bidder and learn a lot about what's going on in the world of CDC, and our children. Good deal!

1:01:44 Yeah, man. You're definitely doing a lot of work I totally commend you and on a lighter note I did see some clips of you talking about that Van Gogh art fraud book and that seems pretty interesting too! Yeah that is interesting i was actually interviewed by the New York Post 10 days ago Nice Right in front of the painting and Artnet.com is also doing an article They interviewed me yesterday. So that's an interesting story. Well, it's good that they're responding to the most important aspects of your work and research. Yes exactly! Well man good deal thanks again keep doing what you do and be careful out there all right man? Great Greg nice talking to you thank you very much You got it

1:02:24 Boom people, how about that? Big thanks to James. I do apologize, I held on to this show a little long because I recorded too many shows in November and then several unexpected things happened in the world and I added a couple of other shows to the roster And when thinking about the release schedule, I didn't realize how often timely things were actually referenced in this show I noticed going back over it, obviously James brought up Trump's win a couple times and is hopeful something might change in this new administration. I'm just cynical and don't trust anyone capable of winning the presidency, but you know...I hope for the best. I want to see the CDC and Thorson held accountable and vaccine agenda dismantled. If James is right about Trump's son not being vaccinated then that's a decent sign. And as much work he has put into this investigation, of course James wants to see the tide turn and justice served."

1:03:25 But I know this can be a highly charged topic, and I hope we laid out a pretty good case for these vaccines not to be trusted. This is one issue that I've thought about because if you do shows on aliens and the hollow earth nobody's getting hurt But when you do episodes that cast doubt on something health-related like vaccines, you are influencing people and the mainstream response is that I'm putting people in danger. I'm hurting the effectiveness of the vaccines by fueling the fire that makes people skeptical and lowers the vaccination rate." I understand that so i do take that seriously

1:04:05 I don't want to give this alternative perspective just to be provocative or fan the flames if i don't really believe in my heart of hearts that there's anything to it. I think that would be wrong when you're talking about something like this so, I have spent more time trying to understand this than a lot of other slices of the conspiracy pie because I want to feel confident in my position on this one and I do! A few years ago...I don't know if I would have had a kid vaccinated or not I might have ultimately decided everybody does it and the majority of people are fine, so why not just go with the flow? But my mind is pretty made up now and i do not think its worth it. Companies with a legal mandate to put profits before the health of people, cover mistakes, protect themselves from lawsuits that increase vaccines given at ridiculous rates and have nearly made their company's product a legal requirement… No! It cannot be trusted

1:05:01 James mentioned his son's problems being caused by his body's inability to clear the Marisol, the heavy metals out of his system I believe and you could think oh well His kid had some kind of certain condition that makes him an exception. Okay? Well does yours how good is your child system at flushing heavy metals You've had them a couple of months. You should know this or are you just gonna take that gamble I think the corporate medical world today revolves around problem-reaction solution, and unless i find a problem on my own, I'm going to try to keep it at arm's length in my own life and the lives of people I care about as much as possible. When in doubt let a healthy diet and good nutrition be your medicines

1:05:45 I also know people who would say Dr. Wakefield's info has been debunked over and over again, but today show didn't really have a lot to do with Dr. Wakefield's work anyway There are several different sagas that lead to the same sketchy conclusions So I think I mentioned this in the beginning That it is a little bit of a shorter show today But it is very rare for that to happen and I think it's still really informative. I hope you agree Another thing to throw out there is that the Hireside Denver meetup was a success. I mentioned it in the wrap-up before taking off for the weekend

1:06:26 Last week, hung out with a couple of great friends of mine Kyle and Zach. And we had a higher side meetup at a place called Mario's Double Daughters and we had just about a dozen people show up one couple from as far away as Breckenridge about two hours away I met some cool listeners Tim and Chris and i guess i should be a little careful i know people like their privacy but i do appreciate all you guys coming out See, Mario's double daughters has a big rocket on the wall filled with a mystery concoction they call Go Fuck Yourself Juice. And it is so strong that they'll only serve one person two in the night! It has been a tradition for me to go there with friends and get one as challenging as it can be

1:07:09 And kudos to the listeners who took the challenge. It was only three of you if I remember, but you have my respect! Hopefully weren't too sick the next day? I definitely was...I was throwing up deep into the morning almost afternoon Not something you want when you're only in town for a weekend But one listener was wearing a Morgellons shirt that he had made up and brought one for me That was awesome Really funny design and a couple others Brought joints that we definitely took down. And I signed a couple things, one being an alien action figure and it was a good time Hope everyone enjoyed the conversation Thought it was worth the trip out

1:07:50 Another listener hit me up and said that he couldn't make it to the bar, but was down to give me a tour of his grow operation We'll just call him The Farmer. But massive thanks for that man! So much weed being grown Amazing stuff He also hooked us up with a lot of flour A big hash ball And some concentrate so good times Just wanted to throw that out there Also, a lot of you are probably familiar with John Anthony West. He's never been on the Hiresite Chats but he is a hell of researcher when it comes to Egyptology Apparently he has cancer and there is a big crowdfunding thing going on in the Alternative Community Forum I said that I would mention him on this show

1:08:31 Personally, I think the money should go to sending him somewhere like the Gerson compound to partake in one of these alternative cures that seem to work rather well and are less expensive than chemo. But I really don't know their plan of attack. It's really none of my business, I just know they're having a fundraiser...I'm sure you can find out more with a little internet searching and i hope it gets better! But bringing it back to today's show be sure to do your research when dealing with the medical machine and only if you get informed will we be confident in your decisions. I don't blame anyone who makes the choice to vaccinate

1:09:09 But I do blame people who don't do the research on it. If you don't absorb some alternative opinions, then you really are only hearing one side but if you watch Vaxxed and you read Master Manipulator and you come to different conclusions than me so be it! I do think uh... It's a risk you probably don't need to take But either way, if you like the show and you support James do pick up a copy. And let Sky Horse Publishing know that you appreciated them putting it out and getting him here on the higher side That is it for me today I have done my part Your move vaccine pushers, their marisol injectors and health hijackers your fucking move Have a drink and a smoke Listen to the cast

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