Free Plus Show: Shamangineer | Mapping The Mind, The Alchemical Model, & Plasma Beings From Space

00:01 Hello free first hour subscribers. Greg Carlwood here and over the years some of the main things I've heard about the full two-hour plus show and the membership are things like, oh i've been meaning to sign up for a long time but have just been lazy or that the first hour sounds so good and complete that it's hard to feel like you're missing that much or assess the value of a second hour Basically, the old adage you don't know what you're missing. And I understand that point. I don't really like to tease things in that sort of way feels too sleazy salesman-y So I thought about how I could address that what I might be able to do to convince more free listeners that it's worth converting over for and there really is no better way to do that than showing free listeners What a plus show is like or how much more second hour might contain

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03:03 So I think everyone wins with this free Plus Show a month plan. If you want to know why I picked this episode and the date it originally aired, I'll add that to the show notes right along with the easy Plus signup links if you want to start that seven day free trial. If you want plus through Spotify use the Patreon link otherwise use the main one thanks and enjoy! In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. I'm Greg Carlwood and these are The Hireside Chats

04:00 Happy days are here again, Hiresight Chatters as we put the Mind Star on top of the podcast tree that is our long-running elemental series with Shamanjaneer. And I'm sure many of us have shared the sentiment that something is just not right with the way in which our modern system engages with the world around us... ...with all its destruction, combustion, pollution solutions rather than evoking harmony synergy and sustainability And it's a nice hippie-dippy sentiment to say that we should be better as a species, but until this Shemangineer series many of us didn't have better ideas to replace the problem causing practices of the oil oligarchs and the titans of industry that got us here.

04:40 But we covered air in our introductory conversation about the overarching aether theory, alchemy, ormis and the sonora arrow club showing suppressed examples of what might be possible if we embraced ether physics and adopted a more naturalist outlook and approach to energy & fuel. Then in round two we talked about the earth and the lost knowledge of the Native Americans, flipping the script on the story we've been told of primitive savages living off the land to a deeper understanding of their engineered abundance, land spirits and damn near magical ways to yield more from the earth by abiding by The Golden Ratio. Thirdly, we tackled water alchemy. Victor Schauberger and the overlooked properties of H2O how we can energize and positively charge water for better health in abundance rather than pumping dead fluoride filled fuel through lead pipes like we tend to do

05:30 And in our last conversation, we took a detour from the Alchemical series to dedicate a day to fascism and how those oily appendages of the nefarious few manipulate our mindset and politics to creep back into any system wise enough to try and root them out. But today folks, today is the culmination of a long-running thread that began back in July of 2016 and as it's progressed I have learned so much about alternative models bright minds and better practices that would be the crux of ether physics in the alchemical sciences if we were ever truly to break that quarantine. So here to tie it all together with his theory of the mind my friend and yours Shaman Janir my man welcome back to The Higher Side Well, it's always a great intro.

06:20 I really am in awe of this series. It's one of my favorite things that has happened on THC, so big thanks to you for bringing it all to us! I'm proud to provide the platform for at least a little contribution and today we're getting into your theory of the mind and sort-of the true fundamentals of reality...it's the thread that can kind of bring it all together and how do we kick this off? I know where were going and its gonna get pretty crazy but maybe a little overview of the mind to grease the wheels? Yeah, so most people when they think of the mind they think of the brain. That's basically what we've been told is that consciousness it's an epiphenomenon it's a byproduct of material interactions and chemical interactions within the brain And they do recognize you know there's electrical activity in there and things like that but basically it's like we're a bunch of robots

07:17 and we're operating off of genetic programming and outside stimuli to generate our consciousness. But the thing is that there are a lot of examples that poke enormous holes in that idea, and this is where the whole concept of reality starts to break down and I think that's one of the reasons why this stuff has been so suppressed is because the powers-that-be realize that if we know who we are at a more fundamental level, and our consciousness is not just something that sits in our heads but that were an integral part of a conscious reality. That would completely break down the system of control they have established

08:12 And that it would allow us to be able to get uncontrolled information from existence and reality itself. Yeah man the mind does unfold into a pretty deep rabbit hole of its own, i think you nailed with why this is such a crucial component other big conspiracy we're gonna get in all the ways that things could be different But also wanted to ask you about the two hemispheres and just how distinct they really are cuz this will speak your point, about accessing uncontrolled information and to quote the forgotten mind essay that you sent me you wrote.

08:53 As far as I've been able to discern, there are four functional aspects of the mind that are responsible for our consciousness. There is the conscious aspect we're all familiar with, the subconscious aspect we often have difficulty in interpreting, the unconscious aspect which most of us simply react to and the sub-unconscious aspect which contains our essence In functional terms, the conscious mind is made up of male serial and female parallel aspects as is the unconscious mind. And this does come up in some of the supplemental material you sent me also, but maybe you could explain the different kinds of processing and where they correspond to for the uninitiated out there. We have serial parallel and even quantum processing and this is a pretty important aspect of The Big Picture isn't it? Yeah it's called The Unconscious Mind but really its more The Super Conscious Mind

09:54 It's just been characterized like that in psychology. So we have our conscious mind and then we have our unconscious mind, our conscious mind is made up of our left and right hemispheres of our brain. And the left hemisphere is more serial and the right hemisphere is more parallel. And then that pattern is mirrored in the unconscious mind as well or the superconscious mind whichever way you want to think about it. So to start with serial and parallel processing, serial processing is basically like what you think of decision making as in your conscious mind. You go down a path and you make some assumptions and then you test them out and might go down the wrong path and have to go back and correct some of your assumptions And that's kind of how most people think about thinking but

10:55 Basically, that's a very tortuous path and it's one that takes a lot of effort to make any real progress on. But there is also parallel processing and now we're seeing this actually in our computers where we have all these different dyes on our computers And the information is being parallel process which means that basically it's broken up into smaller packets. And it just goes through this large matrix of computations that happen all at the same time so you know if you break things out and just have very simple operations done, you can get through a lot more information quicker

11:37 but at the cost of not being able to do these complex operations like you can with pseudo-processing. And then when it comes to quantum processing, so the whole thing with quantum processing is that you're essentially achieving a resonance with the correct answer in that way and by doing so you just pull the answer out of the substructure of reality And you're able to then get the answer quickly. But the thing is that you're only getting a very small aspect, your realizations from this can be very vast and broad but it has to be broken down by the other information processing methods in order for it to actually be digestible.

12:27 So that makes sense yeah definitely and there is a real difference you can see in people you know it's pretty common to hear left handed person called out as your left hand you must be creative because in a certain sense we recognize there is a difference between people who are more. Left or right brain as they say but that is about as deep as we take it sometimes yeah and there was a talk that was given by Dr. Jill Bulte Taylor called my stroke of insight and it's a really good illustration of this because she talks about she had a stroke and The left hemisphere of her brain was being affected but her right hemisphere wasn't as blood flow came and went She would have moments where she was able to focus and try and call someone To tell them that you needed help

13:22 And then like falling back into this really unfocused and getting this barrage of thought imagery. And then, like all the sudden should be able to focus again as your left hemisphere came online for a moment. So that's something where you can get a real feel for how this works on a consciousness level or an experiential level Yeah, that was really interesting to hear that Ted talk where she's just describing as a brain doctor studying her own stroke and just seeing one hemisphere just completely kind of shut down and just living in the other one. And just being like yeah I can't differentiate my hand from anything like there is no separation. It was just really intense the details of her trying to dial a phone uh...to get help

14:15 Really fascinating, but it does give you a lot of insight into when one hemisphere is gone This is how just the other one in isolation operates so basically these are the two forms of processing and this is also mirrored in the Unconscious mind as well. So In the conscious mind its left and right hemisphere put on the unconscious mind It's basically your limbic system and your brainstem, which actually connects to all of your organs. Now the brain stem obviously is pulling all this information from all these different places so that is the parallel system and the limbic system because that's what actually releases hormones

15:03 Different neurotransmitters and that's the more male aspect. That's the one that's actually affecting the rest of your body and your organs, so That's where these two things start to come together And so the main two organs or well I'd say there's three main organs in the sub unconscious mind that connect up to the brainstem and and those would be the heart, the lungs and also the stomach. And the heart because it is a electromagnetic coupling for all these different organs and then also provides a pulsation through the body that acts as a entrainment system

15:48 for everything. And then the lungs are very important because they have a huge function in the release of DMT and things like that, but it's also where you're able to have conscious control over something that is normally unconscious so that provides a link between the conscious and the unconscious minds That's one reason why there are a lot of breathing techniques that are used in terms of meditation, because that is where you're able to get this entrainment. To be happening between the conscious and unconscious minds. Right on! Okay I was going actually have you elaborate on that because i had the quote written down Breathing is the most important tool at our disposal for expanding our understanding of our minds and controlling its function And it got me thinking about

16:36 Things michael grier said and the wim hof breathing method exactly what you're talking about but this term. Oregon consciousness i've heard people somewhat talk about the circle around the idea, but i think that's fascinating to think that our organs themselves are conscious and have functions outside of the brain because thats not typically the way these things are thought about Well, actually all organs have a small neurotic bundle that are attached to them. A mini brain? A mini brain and like in the heart it's about the size of like a wasp spring but the stomach it has the same number neurons as a dog spring Wow! That's why when people say oh I feel at my gut thats your unconscious giving you a hint

17:32 some of the information it has from these more quantum interactions. Wow! And so, you know that's what that gut feeling actually is That's the most powerful expression of your unconscious mind that you can pick up on Interesting and also there's a lot of musculature associated with the gut as well So you can get that tension that builds up and that can be an expression through unconscious state How's about we go into the multiple personality article? Yes, I was gonna ask you about that too. Because of course when we look at things on the edges, we can kind of get a better understanding

18:15 Certain material rather than looking at what's normal so of course in this case you look at multiple personality disorder or schizophrenia and they become pretty useful tools for. Kind of mapping out the edges of the mind what does a multiple personality disorder say to you how do we fold that so, At this point, we've talked a bit about information processing in the mind. And you know I mean obviously that still ties back to the other model that we're all told which is said for basically robots kind of meat robots and our mind is this epiphenomenon like software running on computer. But when you look at things like multiple personality and the effects that the mind can have

19:02 the body like they have different physiology for different personalities eyeglasses will change deafness will change People's blood chemistry their allergies Scars and marks will appear disappear eye color will change So there's all sorts of things that can happen on a physical level just as result of your mental state yeah, and I think this shows that the mind is actually where the real action is and the brain is just a organ for its expression. It's not really the generating power of the mind

19:43 Right to use that whole analogy that our brain is just a receiver for consciousness. It's like the signal is the real meat, the real juice. The antenna is just up wire that gets the signal it's really not the crux of the technology. Yeah, it's like saying that Dan rather lives in a box and you're living room. Yes and man it is just so crazy the physiological differences in multiple personality disorder I guess i didn't really know that mean that movie split and the coming sequel glass if you just seen the trailer it is crazy they do show that stuff in one personality he's like a super human like super jacked, another personalities looks like a regular guy. Oh i had seen yeah i haven't seen the movie split but i liked unbreakable it's all on the mix i mean whatever whatever but it seems like that movie goes into it

20:39 I did read an article about M. Night Shyamalan and how he was off limits, blackballed by Hollywood for a while there. He went into some interesting territory in things like signs and all that for sure! Yeah Right i will show we also talk about dean rayden of course people should be familiar with him from a previous episode but you sent me a presentation he gave on his direct consciousness double slit experiment which shows scientific proof that the mind does affect matter that intention has a real effect in the world

21:15 Dr. Radin's work is one of the major things this year that pushed me over the edge of, oh this magical thinking stuff is fun and interesting to more of a no this is real! This is very provable and quite serious you should actually refine yourself to be better at it manifestation and all that but I guess can you talk to us about that study? And how it folds into the theory of The Mind overall well I mean there's been a lot of double-slit experiments that have been done There's even one that has different paths the light can take and it shows that even after something has happened, the past can be changed based off of a sequence further down and whether something is observed or not. So it's very interesting and there are a lot of permutations of it but in his discussion about it he basically talks about

22:11 the fact that observation and specifically what they call, I can't remember what exactly the term was but basically it's a mind or an extra-dimensional quality that needed to be present in the experiment like an observer. A plant or animal or person some sort of living thing that would be in this detection network for the experiment to actually work properly. And that's something that was actually at the foundation of quantum theory from beginning, all the original quantum theorists talked about this and the actual reason why quantum theory started to come about is because

22:54 They were doing plasma experiments and they noticed that their consciousness had an effect on the plasma. And so, that's where this stuff actually started." So that's how all this kind of theory actually came about. But when you talk to people about quantum physics, they want to use it to build computers and they want to use it to make things like quantum dots and new nanomaterials but when it comes down to the ramifications and especially the history of that theory with regard to consciousness itself they don't wanna talk about them

23:31 So it's something that is repressed in science but is an integral part of science. And that's something I think needs to be resolved. Right, It's really like another parallel to psychedelics. We've talked about this stuff before and it might even come up further down the road today but anything that leads you to an awakening How's you buying last products by an end of consumerism last spine into the authority less and feeling like this, one life might not be all you have any of those kind of thoughts there are quarantined in this. Would be another example of it just learning about the mind itself

24:12 From this angle can lead you to the same places you might be led if u studied psychedelics or meditation even i mean that was another thing with dean radin's experiment is that yes conscious attention was shown that it can collapse the wave into a particle at a measurably higher rate than chance. But he saw higher rates even still with meditators then on meditators which is interesting and, I mean i don't want to get too fundamental and ask the same one on one questions here but, i guess i would ask you about meditation it's such a huge component what is that actually do does it recalibrate us as it like running the windows defragment or. So if u read that cia document about the gateway process. It talks about the holographic nature of reality in the tops about

25:03 Entrainment of the hemispheres together and being able to use that to go down two different levels of consciousness. And one thing I thought was really interesting is it talks about the blinking in and out of reality, and by focusing your consciousness into the part of reality that extends beyond time you can get into these going into the past and going future and things like that through mind Yeah that document was crazy just for context for people it was a nineteen eighty three cia document approved release twenty years later in two thousand three. They're analyzing the munro institute's gateway process but yeah like you said they talk about so much more the cosmic egg time travel several forms of altered states and manifestation,

25:54 It's interesting you mention that kind of flicker aspect because I did have a previous guest who thought he mathematically figured out the flicker of the universe, but it just ties into a lot of strange threads from this year. Yeah, I agree. That's a very important document because it shows that CIA and deep state or whoever you want to call it had knowledge of this stuff for quite awhile And obviously here's somebody, I can't remember. I think it was like six months or something he spent researching all this for the CIA to determine what he wrote in there and if that's all it takes is a guy and some money to let him do six months worth of research to kind of decode all this? Yeah, I mean, I've learned about all this stuff on my own you know in my spare time and it took me longer but somebody with the resources can do it in 6 months.

26:53 This is something that really needs to be out there but it's not and. No why is that because what i was talking about before they don't want people to realize that we can do better as long as you keep thinking that our reality is just a product material things we need to get our piece of the pie before it's all gone and race down the gutter you know obviously that's not winning solution but they're doing that for control i think it also has to do with consciousness what they know from the past will get into that more

27:37 with regard to how I think consciousness is changing. I guess intention science for lack of a better term is pretty amazing stuff they tend to show the effect is pretty subtle but definitely measurable and that's without training or growing up with the view that all this stuff as possible like you were just saying, i'm sure it could be much more effective if we promoted this worldview from birth And Gordon White has sort of taken this to the next level with his premium members by scheduling intention sessions. And I also received Mitch Horowitz's new book from his publisher, and I haven't booked him just yet because we've been pretty magic heavy lately and he was just on Rune Soup but his book is called The Miracle Club and he basically says look if this works and it does

28:28 let's pull together and focus our energy at the same time each day thus a club for making miracles. And it's that sort of experimentation that i think is really gonna take this work further fold in the previous episodes we've done about water and about engineering abundance it would be crazy the kind of world we could create and just thinking that maybe the ancients had something like this The picture gets clear the more of this material i get into that you give to me and it's just crazy what that world could have been like. Yeah no really thats what its all about is keeping us at this level where we don't think about stuff. Fundamentally that's what keeps us from being able to live in that world,

29:17 So that's why I think that this is probably the most important podcast i'm giving to you. I love it because without changing your mind and what you think is possible and actually trying to go out there achieve it, you never will failure is primarily the result of a lack of imagination So let's go ahead and we'll talk a bit about consciousness and the quantum biology of microtubules. Sure! That Stuart Hameroff theory, basically what Stuart Hameroff discusses is the idea that microtubules in your cells

29:58 have interactions at a quantum level and whatever we talk about want to i just wanna say that i wrote that forgotten mind essay right as i was starting. Do you look into alchemy in stuff like that, So it leverages a lot of quantum biology. Really the quantum, the way I look at it is basically getting into the etheric without saying what the etheric is you know its kind of surface level measurement of etheric effects. That's the way I look at the quantum science so basically what quantum biology is that's kinda our etheric tie into this larger reality. So that happens at a cellular level

30:42 And because it happens at a cellular level, you get very basic information from it typically. And it needs to be filtered through your subconscious and your conscious mind in order to really grasp what the message was so that's part of the reason why I think there is lot of people who go into trance states and get visions or people who have some sort of psychedelic experience let it kind of unravel in their mind for a period of days or weeks to really get an understanding what they've experienced. So, what Dr. Hameroff is discussing is basically this connection between our cells and the substructure reality so that's the main thing that I want to talk about here is that's what feeds into your organs

31:34 And all of your body and then that gets sent up through your mind by the limbic system working with the rest of your brain that is what kind comes into your consciousness it's filtered for your subconscious. which has all these overlays that have been built up in it for programming, indoctrination and whether it's done by you or whether it's done by your family or your church or the media. That's one of the reasons why there are all these messages embedded in all these different religions

32:11 and they have times but there are interpreted a bit different because i don't know who's different cultural. And personal filter before it is able to pass that makes sense yeah it does i mean its deep stuff and i am an idiot but these micro two bills i guess When that presentation when i was watching that presentation he says something to the effect of. Consciousness is more like a song than a computation and thought that was nice sentiment and he plays the sound of the vibration going on in our micro tubules and it was weird invoked a strange feeling man it's like i don't know if i'm supposed to hear that but like,

32:57 You know erie home yeah it was a little weird but i guess if we're gonna use a computer analogy for simple things like me should we think of the micro two bills is like the wiring that consciousness. Is using to be delivered throughout our body like the way wiring of a computer you would be like ten okay it is the antenna instead just simplistically saying the brain we would say what he's actually measuring on there so there's computations being done on my. Okay that's how he establishes this quantum connection so there is some information processing that started at.

33:35 Interesting. And this was also a component, but what is the connection between the microtubules and ultrasound? I had a previous guest who was very anti-ultrasound she thought it was pretty harmful to unborn babies and produced radiation...I don't know but he talks about a control group of mice who they were administering a drug and one control group got no drug and they only got ultrasound and it cured their cancer Yeah, I don't know about that. That's wild! Well so you gotta realize ultrasound is basically vibrations This is just kind of my off-the-cuff analysis but it's essentially vibrations and there's a frequency associated with those vibrations So if you modulate it properly could potentially

34:24 You know, kind of like I think we've talked about Rife systems before. Yes! So if it's dealing with cancer it could potentially destroy the cancer cells by tuning to the specific cancer frequency and being able to disrupt them and have a flush from body after that And that's what Rife was doing with viruses and specifically the cancer virus itself. So they could have also tapped into disrupting the ecology of cancer in the body, so that's another possibility but yeah I mean there are also genetic changes or things like that can potentially happen from something like that. If you have a wrong frequency it could damage your DNA by breaking apart specific areas

35:11 So I don't think that ultrasound is something that's really safe. And i heard that episode and you know, I think it's tragedy what's going on basically for everything that we have in terms of material technology there a allegory in terms of this more spiritual or implosion rather than explosion based, or whatever you want to call it types of technology. So there's things that could be done but it's not accepted science today Right and it's crazy how simple so many of these things seem to be light therapy sound therapy. I mean this isn't Super complex or invasive stuff, and it's basically free terms of the tools They're very basic but the understanding going into wielding those tools has to be a lot deeper right right? And so like we have tools that are very complex

36:11 but the understanding that's needed to wield them is a more simple level. Funny how that is! Another, I guess it's more of a paper that I sent you was Heart Brain and Spirit by Dr. Muhammad Omar Salem Yes And that spoke a bit about the heart and also the interaction between organs You know somebody has a heart transplant they can actually get memories from the person who donated their heart. And same with other organs, people will get aspects of their personality or memories associated with the person who died and that's some proof right there that all this stuff I've been talking about

36:56 And there's one way to look at that where people would say, oh well that must mean memories are literally stored in that organ. But I guess what a better way of thinking about it be that that's just the fractal nature? That all the little components contain at least a piece of the whole? Well if you think about quantum theory and the idea of entanglement then the person receiving the organs becoming entangled with that other person at a quantum level that organ, it definitely has a tie to that other person as well. So if you think about the microtubules being like antennas its still pulling in this information from that other energy field as well. That's wild!

37:41 Yeah it is let me ask you this this is kind of a random question but do we know where memory is stored its touched on some of the things you sent me but. I just wonder why something like chronic cannabis use would have such an effect on memory i mean i know what's getting into those other realms but there's definitely a connection their So I would say that there's kind of two repositories of memory. There is one encoded in proteins, and I believe Stuart Amoroff talks about that but there is also kinda the energetic component as well because another thing that Stuart Amoroff discusses is the fact he believes we are capable forming memory outside our bodies so that can't be purely chemical as well

38:35 So that is dealing more with the energetic aspect. I would say it's kind of both, but another thing about The Mind... There's a book called The Holographic Universe that was written in the late 90s and it discusses how there have been experiments done on rats where portions of the brain were removed. They got to the point where they chopped these poor rats up to the point where they could barely move, and like right before they could barely move, they could still run the maze! This is a rat with 10% of its brain left and it's still able to run the maze

39:14 So that brings up the whole aspect of holographic memory and getting into the whole aspect of this CAA document regarding the holographic nature of memory in reality. That may not be as clean an answer most people would want, but that's what I've got Hey it is what it is. It seems like memory is somewhere else maybe cannabis tends to gunk up those works the other thing is that steward amiroff as an anesthesiologist and so he deals with that aspect of being completely unconscious unaware of what's going on around you not recording any memory at least in the body at the time

40:02 And it could be that, you know memory has this kind of resonance quality to where you're actually drawing on something else. That's kinda interesting because I've heard the term state specific memory and then i've heard people say if u lose something when your high or drunk And then you're sober mind you can't figure it out if u hit you get drunk or high again, you might get back like literally state specific memory or even the fact that if you get high let's say when i went to amsterdam even though i have a high tolerance i'm gonna get higher because even geographically there is a difference in surroundings so weird theory but i mean its kind of in this cake.

40:46 the morphic field of the pot cloud. There's something to it, there is something to it! Yeah I mean that can happen and I think there are two classes of ghost encounters or spirit encounters one is basically where people are encountering a disembodied spirit but then another one is where there has been an imprint of consciousness that's been made on an otherwise inanimate object. And that is replayed, that feeling or whatever happened that caused that imprint, that psychic negative to be implanted in that material then it'll just kind of play it out over and over again. I think some haunting ghost encounters are based off something like

41:36 where just another consciousness comes in and kind of replays that. But then there's also where it's actually a disembodied entity, you know? It's kind of like UFO encounters and things like that I think that there's deep state programs, there's potentially people from other planets or the interior of the Earth but then there's also entities that are living in our atmosphere that might be plasma-based, there's interdimensional entities. There are all sorts of things that it can be. I don't think we need to limit ourselves to saying well you know I believe in Sasquatch but your talking about fairies so you're way off my radar or like okay i'll talk to you about

42:23 interdimensional consciousness, but giants are a bridge too far. Well I know we're gonna get deeper into the idea of plasma beings but god this is just a mind-blowing idea with some of the stuff that We had both been digesting recently because I went to contact in the desert and they give you the night vision goggles and you look up in the sky and you see all kinds of movement and I don't know i guess it didn't have a box to put that in our just like yeah that's interesting i mean its not like i'm seeing. craft necessarily but i'm seeing something out there that aren't stars and they're moving all over the place. And then you know i think about guess i've had like gordon who have made mention that, space is probably more water like a mean even paul la vie let talked about that i mean if either is kind of like water maybe space instead of a vacuum should be thought of as a medium in which life can actually exist and then you showed me some of these

43:27 Clips of entities moving around in the sky that look like. Amoebas they just look like amoebas and the theory is that maybe, Plasma was the first thing to gain consciousness maybe these beans that i don't have necessarily a humanoid form are vastly super intelligent and ancient they almost sound like lovecraft's old ones to agree like maybe these are the fundamental life forces and maybe they, Maybe were protected by our atmosphere but it's certain periods they come in and feed on the energy in here it gets deep but. I think that there is a real case to be made that life is quite strange and there some super intelligent things that don't necessarily have humanoid form we tend to think there's a hierarchy and that humanoid form is gonna be the most intelligent but these things seem to be completely foreign,

44:21 only visible sometimes trans lucent and transparent at other times and maybe they can manifest to look like a craft and maybe they do kind of help our earth and work with it is crazy but i'm way past gray aliens this point yeah well one thing about what you're talking about which trevor james constable calls the sky critters. What are the big things that you'll notice when people are observing NASA footage is they keep showing these halos or dots moving across the screen and you know a lot of people just say oh well that's just dust with sunlight reflecting off of it so it looks bigger. But there's actually bad footage that you saw from trevor james constable of the other,

45:11 And that's a very good example of these things because you can actually see them going in front of the tether. So, that gives you a relative scale for how big these things are and so the ones they were showing in that ranged anywhere from football field or two all the way up to like half-a-mile mile. Yeah! These are big entities if they're up there And it seems like they are. And you know, I mean, Trevor James Constable, like you're saying about infrared vision goggles, he started taking pictures of these things that was back in the 60s with infrared and ultraviolet film. And I think he actually found some specific formulations of them. I mean, you know, back then, film was the big thing. So there are all these different formulations people were coming up with for better color enhancement. Right? And so the one that he found

46:05 had specific frequency peaks in the ultraviolet infrared range. And so by using that film, he was able to pick these things up best because that's where these things are able to be seen. We can't see it in our visual spectrum that we have with our eyes but at these edges is where they can be seen And with this context we've been talking about today of this quantum realm or an ethereal realm, or this flicker. Once you have that context for a model, is it so weird to think that there's beings that can alter their density or jump from one side of the flicker to the other? It's not. To me it's seeming way more reasonable and when people see paranormal entities or crafts that just kind of disappear maybe they can control that to a degree. It's crazy and this model of space I mean I'm starting to feel like we

47:05 We live on a rock inside an air bubble in the cosmic ocean with ocean like creatures floating around out there. It's like all just a matter of scale it really is kinda like you look in the ocean at these amoeba-like things and then you look in the sky at the things he was capturing they looked very similar maybe as above so below Yeah, I mean the big thing with these sky critters is you know it's evidence that there is a lot more out there than we know about. The other thing it speaks to is that what they're using for their propulsion is a fundamental aspect of our reality at some level

47:51 So why would just us use it or just these aliens use it? Why wouldn't natural creatures that can leverage this energy and this ability to create this bubble of reality for the purposes of traveling between places, why wouldn't natural creatures do that as well. And there be something that can exploit this feature of reality, right? Just because we make solar panels doesn't mean that leaves don't exist just because there could be and there's evidence for a terrestrial craft program or an alien craft program. That doesn't mean that there aren't other expressions of this, including llamas that can fly themselves

48:39 Over mountains and just like the quantum processing of thought there could be quantum movement superposition movement if some kind of creature for into us. figured all that out and learn how to use it or maybe it's just a natural process for that being but, to fold in another aspect if you go back to that electric universe stuff that David Talbot talks about he is describing plasma patterns in the sky. That we have this cultural memory of dragons in the sky or we have these cave drawings that are strange patterns and they look like electro magnetic

49:18 Static patterns and his whole premise was that maybe something radical happened in our solar system that caused This sort of painting in the sky so to speak from outside forces But my thought is you're looking at cave drawings and you're trying to talk about something in the sky. Maybe Those things were alive maybe these snakes in the sky these cultural memories these ancient Ceremonial practices that are paying homage to some squiggly thing that seemed to be in the air at some point, maybe These weren't just patterns from clashing

49:55 Atmospheres or the clashing of two nearby celestial bodies like transferring. Electricity between them are static between them maybe they were these beans at a certain point in time it would make more sense that humans would worship something that they seem to think was conscious and alive, all these ideas of dragons would be related to something conscious and alive i don't know how big he interpret sit that way but you could in this context we're talking about Well, I know. I've seen video of them linking up in a pattern where it's kind of like stacking doughnuts on a rod or something and they all stack up and some will come off and join up with the others and then some will come down They kind of undulate as they go through the sky That could be part of the reason for that but also one of the things that Susan Joy Renison brought up in her talk was

50:52 She thinks these might be the origins of some of our shapeshifter legends and things like that as well. Yes, that Susan Joy Renison video is really awesome It's from a thread in the plus forum started by B Gunners and it has a lot of interesting context is over two hours but she talks about many things including those plasma beams and even space weather Yeah, so that's a big reason why I said you love this stuff is because. I believe that space weather is going to be having a big effect on our consciousness forward and has been since the beginning of time but at this point there was that whole 2012 thing that happened lot of people just like whatever nothing happens but

51:47 The thing is, that's based on the precession of the equinox and deals with our position in the galaxy and what sort of energies we're exposed to. But it's kind of like having an almanac. It can't tell you exactly when it's going to rain but it can give you clues for what to look for and what to expect I think that were still in this 2012 cycle But really it's not just 2012, it's the whole cycle. You have to realize that this is the procession of the equinox. This is what has been passed down for generations through these super societies and its The Great Wheel, The Clock To End All Clocks sort of thing so this is the way that the ancients really tracked things and tried to decipher what exactly was coming down the pike

52:42 Now, in order to understand this we need to go into a bit of cosmology. To give you an idea why the solar weather and space weather is changing We're all told that we orbit the Sun And they show just kind of this plane planet surrounding the sun on these elliptical orbits But the thing is that the Sun is moving through the galaxy so we don't just spin around it in a plane, we're actually corkscrewing through space as the Sun pulls us along its own path. So the thing about 2012 was basically where we were in the galactic equatorial plane which means that the galaxy is like a disc and spinning around and so if you imagine right down the middle of that disc there's this imaginary plane

53:39 Then we pass through that in approximately December 2012. There's a whole date thing, potential for things to have been shifted a bit but that's the approximate time frame so at that point on the galactic plane the Sun is coming up through that plane dragging us along with it and what happens is the Sun goes in and out of the plane of the galaxy If I'm not mistaken, that's a 62 million year cycle or something along those lines. But our path going up and down through there is where the precession... So that's the solar ebb and flow but on Earth we have the precession of the equinox goes along with that where the axis of the Earth is shifting And so that's the position of the earth and its axes what's regulating all this

54:35 So as we pass through that galactic plane, we're being exposed to a different polarity of energy. If you think about the torsion physics from the Russians, different torsion fields had different effects so as we're going through here this torsion is changing and then also Paul LaViolette talked about there being the potential for I think it was a burst from the center of galaxy. He's worried about that Yeah, and that would bring a lot of energy into our solar system. And also it would have the effect of causing this kind of cosmic rain to come down and that could have a lot of energetic effects as well as physical effects. Right? I guess we should think of it like space seasons you know... It's like 2012 could've been a real marker for that. That's like a solstice! Sure. You know right

55:36 So the thing is, basically the area we're going through right now is kind of on the up cycle. We're like at the very start of what would be considered the Silver Age or maybe the Copper Age I can't remember off the top my head but the idea is that this energy comes in and it gets modulated through the ionosphere and when people think of their aura What I think of is that is the field of bioplasma around your body that extends into the etheric. So, the ionosphere can be thought of like a well-of-souls where when you die your bioplasma gets reabsorbed into the ionosphere and it doesn't just play out on this plane but on other planes as well and we go through this whole cycle of rebirthing

56:29 So the space weather has these deep effects on consciousness. And one example of that is in Siberian regions, Russia when there's solar flares or sunspots there can be mass hysteria induced on people and they'll run around without any clothes on for hours on end in this kind of trance and do all sorts of crazy things. And then a few hours later, they just go like, Oh man I'm cold let me get some clothes on That's just one example but that kinda gets into our discussion about Bird In A Box. Oh! Bird Box! Bird box on Netflix. Yeah

57:16 So if you want to talk about that we can do that now. Yeah I mean anyone who's seen it, it seems like the creatures in the movie are somewhat related to plasma beings that we've talked about perhaps? It's definitely a wilder entity than just some ghost or some gray alien and it's a real deeper concept but what were your thoughts on that? Well you know i think they kind of gave it away with the grocery store clerk he was the conspiracy guy. And just kinda worded out all your notes like demons i've come across my research from a book so he knew what it was but nobody believed

58:02 And it's these entities in the sky that if you look at them, they're so incomprehensible that you just break your mind. Just breaks and people break in different ways and the movie but looking at them was so unsettling that you just wanted to end it Yeah, and so like people would kill themselves right off a bridge or bang their head into the wall or whatever. I think perhaps that movie is a bit of predictive programming on their part to try make people afraid of something like this happening where if something like this did happen? Imagine if you will that there's a galactic event that alters the solar weather

58:49 and our planet undergoes shifts in consciousness, which might be equivalent to like say all of Chicago being on LSD at the same time. So when something like that happens what do you do as world leaders? To make people think that things aren't devolving into chaos. You know Or if you know it's gonna happen, you put out a movie where it's only the negative side of things and then you make sure everyone sees it because they did. It went quote-unquote viral which means they put in front us on the front pages of the internet Twitter Facebook all that shit. It's controllable what goes viral and they definitely wanted us to see that film Yeah so y'know that's what went through my mind when I saw it

59:44 You know, that's what I got was like you know this is kind of like what i'm talking about if you interpret it a certain way. Because that guy basically would say oh it's the demons but What I think would happen in the way this would play out based off the research? I've done Is that it would basically be a blending of the etheric realm into reality yes so It would be like where all sorts of different things could happen. You can see different entities, different entities start to interact with you good and bad One of the big things that would go along with this potentially and most likely probably would be a electromagnetic pulse that would basically have the potential to wipe out large sections of the Earth all at once Like imagine the whole northern hemisphere

1:00:39 has no power because all the transformers have been blown out. I think I've heard estimates that if something like that happened, where there was a solar flare that caused something like that it would take about seven years to rebuild the transformer infrastructure and that's based off of them being able to build it all. I'd be out of a job! Yeah A lot of the that's true that's true so let me just throw this out there just a thought i randomly had but you talk about the elite managing what's gonna happen they obviously have been studying the stuff for forever they probably have a good idea what might be coming down the pike.

1:01:24 What if the whole blue beam thing was seeded in the alternative culture so that when the worlds did blend between the spiritual and physical, that we wouldn't believe it. That we would think is this real? Maybe this is them messing with holograms because what they don't want us to know is reality maybe blue beam is never really a plan itself as much as it is a scapegoat or a placeholder for real plasma beams in the sky or something like that? It could be. It could be that chemtrails are to a large degree because they've known about global warming and they just wanted to delay things as long as possible

1:02:11 Mm-hmm and also weather warfare, but well there's a lot of Clips of orbs you can do both at the same time. You can you can multifaceted agendas But there's a lot of clips of Orbs messing with chemtrail planes and that sort of stuff too And it's like maybe these ethereal beings are like hey knock it off or maybe it's allowing them to be seen Maybe that's who they're really focused on with the chemtrail agenda and not humans You know, there's so much that we don't know. You know the questions are very good what you're asking That certainly know the answer to all of that right but I mean definitely The chemtrails they aren't just Affecting whether they're affecting the etheric bubble around the earth ionosphere It's an ionospheric heater if there are these plasma beings in the atmosphere

1:03:11 and they're doing this heating in the ionosphere to basically steer weather patterns, then they're basically shitting in the ecosystem of these creatures. And so maybe they are trying to stop them somehow? You know I mean there are etheric beings to a degree because they're highly ionized state, but they could also potentially be trying to shock them out of the sky or something. Like one of those creatures from Star Trek you know the cloud being just kind of... So with regard to Trevor James Constable

1:03:51 What are the things you brought up in his book was this interaction between a mountain near. And one of these beings and i think the late nineteenth century from not mistaken and basically what he described was like jellyfish but it had metal for blood, Which basically made me think that it might have mercury for blood. And if you think about mercury and the red mercury stuff that happened during Cold War, potentially based off of Nazi experiments and stuff... Have you talked about that with Joseph Farrell at all?

1:04:33 A little bit yeah the counter rotation of mercury or. Yeah the red mercury thing is even different but they say that the nazi bell that was part of what it used was the counter rotation of mercury, yeah well in a post i stay basically from what i can tell their making kind of a mercury plasma with the bell and then using that for thrust. But with these plasma beings, I mean if they have mercury for blood that would make total sense. Yeah? I just thought that was very interesting when i read his book a few years ago there are these two mile wide jellyfish creatures like that's kind of what they look like and they have this like maybe it's mercury plasma for blood

1:05:22 Or maybe that's when it's leaking, that's a big problem. Who knows? But it could be that maybe that's what they use for blood and then a portion of that blood ends up leaking out and they use it as an ionized plasma around them or something who knows... Well man any plus members out there should definitely go to the forum and check out this thread by B Gunners because it has four or five different really amazing video clips in it. One that you put in there was the Don Nance clip people might remember Don when we talked about all the gold you can eat and Ormus I've actually had some correspondence with Don he's supposed to check out

1:06:05 podcast and see if he thinks it would be worth his time to join. I hope he does, fingers crossed but talk to us about that clip can we fold in what he had said and his theories into the big picture here? Yeah in the Don Nance video he basically talks about dragon's blood which is one of the alchemical transformations he's done and basically it's this oil of gold is what he calls it where its blood red He says it looks like menstrual blood to me. It looks like red food coloring in a jar, but he says it's pure gold and He's being interviewed by the filmmaker of all the gold you can eat I can't remember his name off top my head But he's telling him about how nobody's even taken this stuff that he knows up and You know, I talked about this in the air episode. I believe when we were talking about warmest and

1:07:06 Where this lady was given three drops of basically the water that was used to carry over the red gold and another transformation he did and just three drops of the water was enough for her to go through nine months of Basically your thoughts manifesting in reality Yes, and then very briefly right before he goes off camera. He says you know That's the point The white material basically talking about the regular or miss material that most people who've listened to us before would be aware of and He says the point of that is to take that To prepare you for the higher M state. That's coming And he said it's coming and then he kind of walks out Yes, and I think what he's talking about there is basically

1:08:00 What Paul LeViolette discusses is this cloud of energized interstellar dust that's going to be buffeting our solar system. And what's going to happen is, that it's going to be kind of absorbed by the Sun and also it's gonna rain down on the Earth and it's going to have this huge effect on the world. It's not the first time it's happened but it's gonna have an effect on things. Don Manz is discussing, basically there's going to be this highly energized ormus material that's going to present in there. And that's part of what's going to rain down into the Sun and change its energetics and also what's going to affect life on Earth. I believe Susan Joy Renison says it's actually already happening to a degree but...I don't know!

1:08:54 The impression I got from Paula Violette himself was once we see the blue star in the sky, the blue kachina that's the point where things are going to start to ramp up and you're gonna see a lot more energetic interactions with our reality happen. I think that kind of takes us to the point where we should start talking about the great cross. Yes, i'm not sure what's up because that is in with all this as well yeah you sent me this jay wiener documentary documentary but a jay wiener presentation about

1:09:32 A documentary he made and it talks about quite a bit of the stuff the secrets of alchemy the prima materia. The great cross as you said all this in for us, So basically, according to Jay Widener what happened was he came across this at this used bookstore or something like that. Or an auction maybe I can't remember but he acquired a used book called Fulcinelli and the Mystery of the Cathedrals And basically it was this guy Fulcanelli and he said he was an alchemist, and he was discussing the secrets of the alchemists in this book. He was showing that through the design of the cathedrals which were all designed by the Templars, the Knights Templar

1:10:30 And that basically ties in with the great cross of Hyundai because in one of these churches, France, there's this cross and Falconelli talks about it in the book. And so Jay Widener was at the time he said oh well I'm going to prove all this stuff wrong you know? show this guy and then he did all his research, and he kept finding more and more of it correct. And so he ended up going to France looking at this cross and basically started to dissect and decode it and found some inconsistencies in that pointed to there being another cross in the town of Percos in Peru

1:11:16 And also embedded in the cross of France is this encoded message about the sun becoming angry at a certain point in time. And so he goes down to Urcos in Peru and he ends up finding that there was a whole temple there that was made by templars. There is this cross, and the cross is basically marker for safe place at the end of time where people would be able to be safe from this cataclysm where the sun becomes angry and the world is thrust into this changing environment.

1:11:58 Right and this is what this is one of those things like because a lot of people look at the work of graham hancock or someone they say, why would the ancients actually put markers are warnings. End this future time people always only concerned about their own time but imagine they really figured this out and then you that we were gonna be going through some kind of intense space Season summer or winter i guess it's not clear but some intense period where from that contacts from that position we would just be screwed.

1:12:34 if they knew we're gonna go through that and they were like well there's gonna be a dark period coming they would definitely put things for people to find once they've come out of that dark period you know so, where thinking about this a little differently because we've been in a pretty static reality but imagine you had the salt figured out and you could place okay we should have some kind of warning because we know that their gonna lose everything i think it makes a little more sense when you flush at all out. Ever wonder why they haven't been upgrading or replacing the infrastructure. Why not do that all this stuff anyway yeah you know it's gonna be some crazy ethereal steampunk reality i don't know your vibe and with me on that one but

1:13:29 Imagine that you are the power pyramid. You're the tippity tip and you have this control that you've had for so many centuries through various forms, it seems to change with times and with different players at different times but The thing is if there comes a time Where people have direct access to information that's outside of your control and it just flooding in there is no way you can control. Especially if it's at the base level reality. I like a universal defense mechanism well if you think about this season,

1:14:18 You have spring and summer, and in the spring everything's growing really fast. Everything is really taking off. And then in the summer things are building up this strength and rigidity in order to be able to power through giving this gift of life and then dying away or retreating into winter and fall. But this whole cycle... This is the natural alchemy This is the same cycle that alchemy undergoes when you do the distillations and the calcification, all these different stages. You're going through that same cycle. You're creating these cycles on a much smaller scale so it makes things happen faster

1:15:08 And that's, I think a big part of what alchemy is really about. Is recreating nature in a way that you know is beneficial Yeah But I mean there's definitely dark alchemists out there Those are the people who are kind of in control right now but You know their reliance on secrecy and their reliance on keeping people ignorant I think it's going to come to an end at some point I just don't know when but we're in that season for things to change. And I don't know exactly what form that's going to take or how it's going to manifest, but i think what we're going through right now is a lot of growing pains and I mean I think even Trump plays a part in that if he's the

1:15:54 The chaos embodiment or the archetype kek is where he would play a part by basically exposing and. Forcing the elite into kind of a cannibalistic relationship to continue to grow right now it's happening. To agree at same time you never know there's multiple layers too Trying to dissect what's happening in the political realm but there does seem to be a chaos injection and some kind of yeah they're kinda turning on themselves chris noles put it like it seems like everyone in washington is loitering up. Yeah he should so where should we go from here well i guess the next major component, is to talk about summer with the leprechauns

1:16:48 Yeah, so I sent you this book and even when i sent it to you. I can't say for certain that this is hundred percent on the level. It's out there it's all very introspective, maybe one thing you could do to actually verify by contacting someone who supposedly had an experience with her but other than that there isn't really anything that can be corroborated And there's some things in it, especially with regard to Edith Dorff that I think aren't really.

1:17:32 Jiving doesn't make sense to me so right just for people who are familiar with this book i wanted to read from the intro to give them the setup here but she says. In nineteen eighty five i spent a summer in ireland living and an old cottage occupied by leprechauns these seldom seen beans taught me about the evolution of elementals the race to which leprechaun elves gnomes goblins trolls and fairies belong They explained their interdependence with humans and urged me through this book to promote awareness of how humans and elementals need to work together in healing the earth. So pretty similar to the theme and tone of The Usual Messages from Paranormal Beings, but there's obviously more to say about this book and I'll let you take it from there."

1:18:20 Yeah, so I didn't mean to poo-poo it before even start talking about it. But there are some things where I'm just like yeah, I don't know about that but really the overarching theme and the way that these contacts are made with the elemental spirits in the book They are completely, as far as I can tell, compatible with everything we've been talking about today. And there are a lot of esoteric things inside of there like at one point they talk about the body elemental being having to disassociate itself from the body over three days and that's kind of where this magic... Remember? We talked about that maybe even in the first episode

1:19:06 about this kind of three-day period after somebody dies where they can make that leap into crossing over into the other realm and becoming more of a light being. And that ties back in with Jesus, rainbow deaths and Buddhism. I really like the chapter on leprechaun evolution too he mentions that they occupy a space half a dimension away and their power of manifestation is a whole lot stronger than ours as result which. You know those are threads that do kind of fit again with the whole big picture today yeah there's a lot of levels to it i can't really get into just because time but

1:19:51 The way they describe the hierarchy and things like that in the etheric realm, and the difference between spirit and soul in there do closely correlate with what I've found. So that is one thing that at least in terms of the way they structure it, I would endorse When they talk about the elementals, they talk about them as spirit without soul but tied to the universal consciousness of what most people would call God. And they talk about that in that CAA document as well. Did you notice that? No! But I'm not surprised So this is the difference between things like elemental spirits and angels...well angels are different

1:20:42 these different types of spirits, I think that they're all basically tied to the creator consciousness or God or whatever you want to call it. And then when it comes to what we would call demons, that's an untethered spirit a spirit that has lost its soul. It's tethered to the universal consciousness so That's the reason why demonic entities have to prey on entities that do have a soul, is because they need that energy. Because your soul energy is kind of what empowers your spirit or in the case of elementals they still have another connection to the creator God consciousness and that is what allows them to do good through their actions but

1:21:36 Without any sort of tether to the rest of reality it all becomes a self-consuming. Sort of energy wow that is such an interesting way to look at it ties in the whole incubus succubus then, it relates to sleep paralysis experiences and relates to those gray encounters where people feel like their energy is being sucked from them Well, it also has to do with the way our energy works. The implosive and explosive energy and the male and female so you know I was talking about the male mind female mind And the thing is that if you think about it these are kind of the embodiment of just male mind where it's this dissecting and kind of how The corporate world is this kind of embodiment of it where it just kind of wants to take things apart and consume Deconstruct yeah

1:22:35 So that's kind of one way to think about it. But the overarching thing about the demons is that they don't have, but that tether, that tie to the universal consciousness or soul... I'm not exactly sure what you'd call it but I think it's more like the elementals are an expression of reality. They're an expression of the universal consciousness but with endowed spirit directly Well this is kind of along those lines but I wrote this down where at one point in the book the leprechaun says, One way we can work together is for humans to commit to working with elementals who want to work with them. Our work is to create form—to see the pattern that is in nature and encourage that pattern to develop. Elementals can see the pattern that is in an individual human too and help that grow

1:23:31 As we grow a tree or flower and it's like i don't know how literal to take that but i like the idea and it does sound like. They're the earth alchemists you know they perpetuate the golden ratio in all that kind of stuff yeah well it's basically if you think about it like. They are plasma beams that way if you think about the body elemental as your aura is plasma being bad is also your soul, and it recombines with the ionosphere when you die. And then there's this kind of ecosystem how we even reincarnate, this is how we evolve to the point where we can just become our own plasma entity. So it's something where they do still exist I think on the material realm to a degree but they're energetic beings in the material realm

1:24:32 But they extend, like we extend kind of into the energetic realm with our thought. They extend into the energetic realm more with their consciousness So they're kind of another degree out. Does that make sense? Yes, and it kind of makes me think about what Laird Scranton said earlier in the year when he described his model or the model that he gets from the Dogon or the Maori which is that these two realities they kind of oscillate closer together and then further apart

1:25:08 And that sometimes this connection is stronger sometimes it's weaker we might be in a period where it's relatively weak and we might get to a period as we've crossed over into this other part of the galactic plane that. We're on the land again where maybe were gonna start seeing more these things and maybe they will have more influence or it'll be more obvious to us are more apparent, Well yeah, and another thing is the effect of electronics on consciousness. If you think about all the electronic signals that are going on just in the atmosphere right now it's about equivalent to what it was like standing on a deck of a World War II aircraft carrier

1:25:52 That's just from Wi-Fi and cellular signals, and whatever else UHF VHF all the different frequencies that are being occupied right now. What if that's an agenda to keep us tampered down i mean it obviously these things can control affect consciousness and they might for see us going into a. Period of time that's more advantageous for the individual to get out of the control scheme in doesn't work so well for their top-down materialist control mindset maybe just as we discussed chemtrails could be an element

1:26:29 This 5g stuff could be an element of just mind control at this point in time specifically because they foresee some changes that they wanna tamper down or distract us from as long as they can. That's pretty much what i think it is, I think a bit more like a jamming signal They might target specific individuals with some sort of special treatment in terms of microwaves or something like that. But for the most part, I think it's just a jamming signal to where they suppress people's ability to connect with this stuff as long as possible and basically what would happen as far as i can see it at this point is that there would be some sort of space weather event where It would shut down the grid

1:27:16 And at that point, they wouldn't be able to have that control anymore. Yeah! And people would be bombarded with this stuff so I think that's kind of what they're really preparing for because if you look at it, they're going underground They are trying to get away from the effects of space weather by being underground and having this grounded shield above them and in that way they could avoid the effects So that gets into the whole hollow earth thing. And that's the other thing is with the cross of Hyundai, the cross of Urcos around Urcos there are all these caves and they're rumored to be a passage to the center of the earth and there's actually a lot

1:28:06 that sort of mythology in Central America where they have caves and a lot of these indigenous societies are using these as sacred areas for worship. And they'll even go between cave systems, and certain people have memorized the way, and there are the leaders like there's only a few people who know the fricking way! So It's one of those things where it's like if you don't know the right, you never know about it. Well, it's so interesting because the way your presenting that kind of blends that new agey elements that is often associated with the hollow earth in a way that doesn't seem cheesy to me because a lot of times if you get into how the earth material I do like a guy like Brooks Agnew talks about the science of it as opposed to this overly spiritual

1:29:03 New age perspective and from this way of looking at it almost seems like we have all these different energies and if you get down towards the center maybe a protection from the outer energy is or whatever but it just plays on your consciousness in a way that, i don't know seems more scientific than i've heard previously. Well, I mean when i first found out about you it was through the hollow earth stuff and it was because I'd actually gotten to that point in my biochemical studies that I was getting into the hollow earth. What I find is that when you incorporate the legends and the best science that you can actually find and believe in that may not be endorsed by the greater scientific community

1:29:58 is that it really does make the most sense to me. Because there's, you know all these legends even going into the Hopi Indians... That's where that blue kachina star comes from they actually say that they were helped by the ant people yeah and I don't know if you've heard this reference but what ants kind of look like maybe gray aliens exactly though so That's another thing that is out there, they say that they were saved during the last cataclysm by living with the end people down on the ground. Yeah some elemental said hey you know I guess we'll save ya come on you gotta do this! But yeah...that's what's out there so that's basically what i wanted to bring down is that my research has brought me to this point where I think that

1:30:55 You know, if you think about it that is something that will scare the shit out of the power elite. Is this cosmic event they have no control over? There's nothing they can do. It's going to change the minds of people who are in their control and it will as far as I can tell...it's just gonna be a byproduct that people are gonna be ungovernable through this. That's gonna be something where it's like you can't tell me Doing this bullshit job just to make you richer destroying the earth when i've got no man my front yard tell me that i'm shit all over the planet. Yeah every day just try to go get them mail and i have a dmt experience and then what i'm supposed to be at work half hour so who knows,

1:31:53 Maybe it manifests some other way i have no way of even predicting how this will play out. But i think that something like this would be one of those events where there is no predictable outcome right, am i be why they're so obsessed with looking up at the sky trying to head this thing off Chris noles got me thinking about just this science that seems to show a connection between light and dna that maybe like can carry dna in a sense, add if thats true maybe thats why they're focusing all these telescopes on really specific.

1:32:37 Constellations and stars maybe they're trying to capture something that's inside of that light if that's even possible and maybe they're trying to merge it with our own, i gets quite weird but this connection between dna and light. And these lucifer key ops crazy telescopes there looking through i don't know it might be in the mix as well well i think the real danger that they have brewing right now, and they have for a while is the two fronts. Transhumanism and genetic manipulation because these are two ways to try and decouple people from their tether from their souls to make it so that they would be completely within their control I mean if you talk about the transhumanist ideology and almost religion

1:33:38 They're talking about basically making a false metaphysical reality. You know what I'm talking about? Where they're talking about, oh you'll be able to do all these things in the matrix and you'll be able to change your body or whatever and your consciousness will live on... trade natural powers for artificial ones exactly control. And you wonder talk a bit about this is as well he thinks that there is a way to download somebody's personality into some sort of computer matrix or robot or something like that

1:34:21 We have these agendas where were told that they're making everybody autistic and robot like you said this whole. Transhumanist movement and we think about it from our current context in the sense of all for all robot like an autistic will just go to our stupid jobs and do them all day and we won't think can be highly controlled doll, Beans i mean i'm not trying to be disparaging but you know you gotta speak about this stuff later some degree what is the real crocs. Is there trying to keep us from activating me maybe that's like what we're saying the stuff is coming and they're trying did he couple us from the aspect that will be ignited,

1:35:07 Exactly. And I think that has part to do with the chemtrails too, they're trying to block it out, trying to block out the energetic reactions but i don't think they can really do it It's too big for planes with a bunch of heavy metals to take care of. Desperate attempts! I think it's just really to stave things off as long as possible, they're just trying to rape and plunder as much as they can before they retreat into their hole. You know something else Jay Widener, whatever it is...I hear both another thing he said in that documentary that I wrote down or that presentation was some

1:35:45 Someone in ancient times put false vortexes in our ether, most likely the Anunnaki. Can you elaborate on what he's getting at there? I know that there is this talk of natural vortexes but this idea that someone created false ones...is odd. I'm not exactly sure what he's talking about. You are! Well maybe I am, off top my head I can't recollect He might just be talking about them like reinforcing the dark energies in the wayline system of your right it seems like a deception again in the realm of just keeping us from uncovering that true nature reality you put some false vortexes and there somehow potentially interpreted that way. That's the closest.

1:36:38 What's all very deep stuff man i feel like there are several mind blowers in here these plasma beans. Was really interesting the big agenda being to stave off this energy of always kinda been resistant to the whole new age geo this energy is coming cuz it sounds kinda like a, save your motif sort of thing like oh just wait once the energy switches gonna be paradise on earth that's like alright But in this context, I feel like it normalizes it makes it seem a lot more possible. I've done a lot of research on this and you know our minds are not decoupled from reality and the realities what deeper than we think so just based on my research and what I found with regard to the procession equinox

1:37:32 And the way that we move through the galaxy. I think that we've got changes coming and i think they're gonna be things are in lightning, and thats what they fear the loss of our current infrastructure is not a disaster it was a disaster while its been used So I think building something new on different principles is the way that we need to start to think about things. Yeah, there's a lot that we can do in the meantime to try and ameliorate what is going on but I'm not exactly confident they're gonna let things really...I mean they have all this technology

1:38:20 energy, but they use it just for their own purposes to control us. So we can't really rely on anything coming out of them But I think that with these changes that are coming We will be generating it on our own and It's going to be something that will come more naturally and without a electromagnetic smog interfering with our natural ability to tune into the larger reality and with more stimulation coming in I think that it will basically transform humanity as a whole. And i think that's something hopeful. Yeah, I think so too! And from a psychedelic perspective... if this is similar to psychedelics like heaven and hell can be very similar states of mind if you don't have the proper preparation

1:39:17 And I think that's part of that programming we talked about with Bird Box. Imagine it's Chicago on LSD, there are going to be people who go into a dark place and there will be people who go into a light place. Yeah! So prep yourself! Prep yourself if shit starts getting crazy don't freak out too much Nothing is fucked here. Oh, and then there was also that Seth Rogen movie a few years ago about the end of the world. Did you ever see that? This is The End! It's kind of like that too. That it's the same sort of concept where there's hell on earth and that would be a programming sort of thing for this sort of scenario where the etheric realm starts to impinge on our reality

1:40:10 And then they want you to go into kind of a dark place with it rather than actually experiencing it for all it can be. Yeah, yeah just hope you're not driving when DMT kicks in that's all I can do the electromagnetic DMT Wow man well obviously this is a whole lot of stuff all fascinating as we're trying to wrap it up is there anything more to say and relation to previous episodes are higher theory the mind relates to. The different elemental alchemy shows that we've done in the series or what we might do in the future

1:40:54 Well, definitely for sure in the future my next talk is going to be the fire episode. That will definitely tie in with the sun and the changes that are going on and things like that but also alchemy because they talk about the hidden fire or the alchemist's fire and that's basically where they're using their bioplasma to affect the experiments or transformations that we do So I think we've got that to look forward to. Obviously, you can go back and try and think of all sorts of different connections in the other episodes but... We've talked about torsion and how that works but I think that's really the way things are transmitted at a quantum level And we talked about how quantum

1:41:48 I think it's just kind of a surface level and there is this whole other science going on behind that, that basically leads us to have these observations at the observable. Yeah man! These really could be reality's biggest secrets and its just been so much fun people can obviously engage with you on the PLUS site and the forum Is there anything else to say about maybe contact information or What you might want people to check out? Well, you've got a lot of links that I have given you about different topics. So feel free to forward those on. They'll be in the show notes. That's about it! Always a pleasure and something else i do like to ask you just because you did emerge as a plus member of the podcast how do you feel about THC this past year or so am i losing it do i still got it oh definitely

1:42:44 I was really excited when you said you were going to be going a bit more down the consciousness rabbit hole and getting into those sorts of topics. And, I knew that I was gonna be having the mind episode it just took us awhile to get around to it because various reasons You know, I think that we've covered alot and you've covered alot That leads up to this as well So...I think its fortuitous the path you've taken. And, you know I know some people aren't necessarily down with a lot of the more consciousness related or the more etheric sort of topics but i would hope that this episode would help them to kind of come to terms with a way that they can understand these sorts of ideas and how it relates

1:43:40 Where is the reality and how can i think about it. Yeah i mean this is conspiracy in a sense this is a great bridge to well if they've had us doing all the stuff and negative ways, We can bitch about that all day and raise our fists in the sky, but what is the better way to do things? Like if we don't have that component we can't move forward. So that is kind of my mindset with going into something like permaculture it's kind of crazy man because I've talked to a few potential guests like I mentioned Don Nance. I hope Don listens to this and I'd love to hear an episode with him!

1:44:27 some of these guys not name any names in particular but they look at my previous content or how the show is framed and their like i don't fit with your show and im like no no no, I swear that you do because you're giving us the alternative models. It's a little bit of a tough thing to cast an umbrella that everyone is comfortable with, but here we are and I'm looking forward to the future. So thanks again man really deep stuff you're bright mind in troubled times take care yourself well you know i just hope that I'm bright enough to light the way for people cheers thank you for platform You got it

1:45:11 Alright, alright dear listeners the long-awaited return of Shaman Jannir not selling you nothing just doing it for the love of the game breaking down his theories of the mind and a whole lot more and if You took a shot for every time I said maybe in this show. You definitely wouldn't be going to work in the morning Jesus And these episodes are always a little different preparation wise. I'm absolutely more comfortable when i'm interviewing someone about their book it's just a very simple ABC process and these episodes are formed more by Shemange sending me along list of resources that when all compiled together work as the building blocks for you to understand how he sees things in one area or another

1:46:01 Not a bad thing at all, just a little bit different in terms of how I prepare to do my hosting duties should we say. And then these episodes themselves act as larger chunks that can be combined for an even wider overview or to think about it from the top down rather than the bottom up It's really like he knows a lot about this suppressed largely ignored ether physics alchemical nature based model of the world And because it is so much information, we've broken it down by element. And that's really smart right? Because if this model IS the real deal... We should be able to see how this view incorporates each element By looking at these sort of fringe researchers, by looking at sagas of the past like The Sonora Arrow Club and say well see This could be real If we look at the sciences through this other lens

1:46:57 or here's how this lens would be applied to water, or earth etc. In a lot of ways you gotta wipe the slate clean on certain things and then we rebuild the model with better resources ones that as we said have been marginalized but I do get a little self-conscious with these episodes with Shemangineer when i put on my producer hat and it's always in the back of my mind but I'm trying really hard to avoid this natural tendency for two people to say Oh well, did you see this part? Oh yeah dude that part was awesome. Or did you read this? Oh yeah that was mind-blowing." You know I try to be careful that we're not just talking over the audience's head about a collection of material they don't have context for it's like you're sitting with two people that are discussing a movie that you haven't seen i dont know maybe its not that different from a book you haven't read but it feels a little different because were pulling from so many different sources

1:47:56 Again, you know not the end of the world. It's just a little bit different But what can I really do because to my knowledge? The book that pulls all this together does not exist I really really hope that he writes it but right now This is probably the best way To put these threads together This might be the best culmination this series That exists and I really do feel like we're doing something quite special here I mean, I can say that because it's 90-10 him. But it's something like this that I'm really honored to be a part of because it does take a lot of these pieces to craft this alternative view. The conventional models are pretty persistent and it's easy to get sucked back into their way of thinking but if there wasn't anything to this suppressed perspective you wouldn't expect us to have this level of detail

1:48:55 or this huge body of information, or so many different disconnected researchers past and present that all complement each other within the alchemy-ether physics paradigm. Wilhelm Reich, Victor Schauberger T Townsend Brown Don Nance Gerald Pollack All these guys they all have their own piece of the alchemical elephant And I've said this a lot, but on this conspiratorial journey each episode is always going to drop us off at a different point on the map. That's the nature of interviewing a bunch of different people that are at a bunch of different levels of understanding what i'm hoping the audience can do is regardless of what a person might say about our wider viewpoints I hope you can understand what it is about their work that I think is worth

1:49:46 Amplifying and then obviously bringing back into the wider picture of what we've been doing for years. And it is years cuz i've been in this game for a while and while it's nice to have a constant reminder of how we've been screwed in various areas and carefully crafted world view has been woven into society that affects almost all areas alive, That schools are doing the best they can, that medicine should be based on petrochemicals rather than nature. That leaders care about their people, that NASA doesn't have undisclosed agendas, that the FDA and AMA and all these three-letter agencies are protecting the people's well being in their current form

1:50:27 that war isn't just a money-making cull, that geoengineering isn't going on all around us. That we aren't all just victims of the money spell and the economic nightmare that runs our lives isn't just some deep rooted scam... All this stuff! And I didn't even mention aliens or magic Obviously these are all components of well, I guess the higher side worldview Higher side hypothesis sounds better but my whole point is that were well past a hypothesis at this point And while it will always be in the mix, I want to slightly recalibrate to get past the we've been sold falsehoods shaking our fists in the air and more into okay. I get that well what has been hidden? How deep can we get into it and that actually might be a more dangerous area even though It doesn't sound nearly as provocative and obviously that well What's Been Hidden attitude is the driving force behind all the magic shows lately

1:51:30 But there are many doors to be opened and Shemangineer has done so much for us in that regard. In fact, I know i say this preparation process is a bit harder for me than a typical one but on the plus side we get so many resources in these episodes that I could do a lot of follow-up and I do try! The problem is that these can be really tough nuts to crack... A lot of them aren't even looking for publicity And even though I like to do all sorts of shows, it doesn't help when i ask a serious scientist to be my next guest and they check out the website and see we all died in 2012 or the history hoax. Or any number of things that might rub them the wrong way and wonder if they're in the right place So I am seeing some

1:52:18 Invitations declined from people in these areas and I'm trying to better time my requests and take into account which shows they'll be seen when they do check out the site. In today's episode we talked a lot about this thread on the PLOS forum, and this Susan Joy Renison interview And I digested a lot more of her work in this past week and tried to get her to come on but she said that she's kind-of out the game, hasn't updated her site in awhile. Just isn't that interested? And I get all that but even with a three year old site she still hidden a lot of powerful points aren't getting out there very much and I'd really love to see reconsider what I understand. It is these alchemical science areas we need to get into

1:53:07 And it's with a lot of these scientists that I would like to gain a bit more favor. Maybe listeners can help me out there, I don't know... It's just that we don't have to convince Nick Redfern or Jordan Maxwell that THC is a complimentary audience! We need to convince the rebel academics that this is a serious place and I don't so much care if they believe in conspiracy I just want to understand and present their work to the audience, and we can fold it in ourselves. Yeah, I'm always going to ask a question or two—what do you think the implications of this are? And they might hem and haw because they don't really want to get into that dramatic conspiracy association. I can't blame them! But again that isn't their role. That can be a certain subtext where we read between the lines

1:53:59 I'm sure you get it. I'm just trying to say that i have to put some thought into how and when I approach these people, and I have to accept that because I use the term conspiracy and I choose to brand myself with a weed theme then I might have created some unnecessary roadblocks And to bring it all back thankfully we have people like Shemangineer who has his finger on the pulse and can summarize things for us I talked in the intro like this was the culmination or the grand finale of everything, even though we haven't done the fire episode yet. But it is the mind and overall reality model that does tie everything together and we went to some weird places for sure! Do check out the resources we covered they'll be in the show notes Trevor James Constable in particular

1:54:49 I think that's fascinating stuff and also the best video demonstration of a real make it rain organ accumulator device that i have seen. Which brings me to another point kind of is, I am in the mindset that I'm ready to get out in the field and check out some of this stuff. I'm kinda sick of talking about it. I've got the time...I've got the resources if you are out there quietly tinkering away on some secret science and you're willing to show me these things firsthand, I'd love to come take a look. We can keep you anonymous we can maybe do an interview with some fake name or something but that's not even super important as long as i can say...I've had someone who has shown me that so I know it's real just throwing that out there But either way if you liked the first hour maybe its time for you dive into a plus membership. We don't reference The Forum very much And It does need some moderation actually

1:55:47 But I bought and pay ongoing for this really nice and robust forum platform. And if you sign up for THC+, your membership to that forum is forever! I mention it because it was a part of today's show, and it is a great resource for follow-up material and higher side centric conversation within a closed loop so you avoid spam and trolls and all that...for the most part And it is true that for about a year I've had way too many guests on my list than i can even get to and more stuff's always popping up. But my first place I go when I am in need, Is the plus forum guest request thread so keep that in mind too It's a lot better than emailing me if you were to post an overview and some videos and links on that thread because I will see it eventually

1:56:40 and it won't get just destroyed in the avalanche that is my inbox. But since I am talking about the forum, if you have experience moderating a Zen 4.0 Forum and you'd like to be an active moderator for me in exchange for a plus membership email me and we'll talk about it Of course, now that I've said that, I expect about a dozen or so emails. So please tell me about your past experience and assure me that I can count on you to be somewhat active in there because that is important but as for today's show in the extra hour for plus people we talked about space weather, that Netflix movie Bird Box, mercury-blooded plasma beans Don Nance and The Coming M State of Everything God! I thought that was interesting

1:57:31 We also talked about a little book called Summer with the Leprechauns and all that it contains, the role of elementals in this reality. The effects of electronics on consciousness, the 5G jamming signal DNA and light And a whole lot more so don't sell yourself short I give out a ton of commercial free content and i hope to entice you to dive into hearing the whole deal at hiresidechatsplus.com But I guess that does it for me guys. Thanks a lot for listening and trusting me to bring you the good stuff week after week, I'm gonna keep trying and i'll see ya then! Your move sorcerers of the sciences spellcrafters of the materialist mindset and quarantiners of the ethereal solutions... You're fuckin'... You'll see god damn this plan spraying

1:58:39 Don't you know they control the chemicals that they spread? It gone, I think. I sink and I die! Don't ya know they control the chemicals that they spray? And we're sedated it's falling to the floor!

1:59:52 Don't you know they control devils? And we're sedated It's falling to the floor, falling to the floor. It blocks the sun! Don't you know they control the- With the chemicals that they spray! And we're sedated It's falling to the floor, falling to the floor. It blocks the sun