Eve Lorgen | The Alien Love Bite, The Dark Side of Cupid, & Entity Involvement In Human Romance

00:04 Puppet masters almost surely have of this clearly maybe something there. And until you've thoroughly tested every last horse just did you know the less you really do? That's true, Dr. Sayers! Without TNT cause we know they're lying to us Just don't without TNT The higher side Jack show a wooden company

00:42 Alright folks, a smart man once told me that if you don't spend time in your own head getting familiar with your own thoughts how do you know they're really yours? And it's a question worth reflecting on. Though the tech-obsessed live to work modern world makes it harder than ever to take that time whether by happy accident or nefarious design I can't say for certain but on our show where we regularly flip through the Rolodex of entity influence today were gonna narrow in on a slice of pie where we don't often consider the role or possibilities of such manipulations and thats love and relationships I know it might be an uncomfortable thought to consider passionate romance could be nothing more than the love bite of an interdimensional parasite coaxing you to bed with your significant other for their own selfish desires, but if all our thoughts and actions are up for review when it comes non-human influence, love can be no exception.

01:27 And with us is the guest of guests to have such a chat. Her name is Eve Lorgan, and she's been researching alien abduction since the 80s and upon getting her master's in counseling psychology she began working with abduction experiencers as well as MKUltra, Milabs, and ritual abuse victims And her many years in this realm has resulted in two books. Firstly, The Love Bite Alien Interference and Human Love Relationships and more recently the Dark Side of Cupid love affairs the supernatural an energy vampirism she's done great work and I can't wait to get down to it Eve welcome to The Higher Side Oh thank you for having me on today It's great

02:03 Yeah, thanks for being here. I think you have a really unique approach to these alternative ideas by focusing on the love and relationship side of things and if you're already open to the idea of interdimensional influence in human lives this should be kind of a no-brainer right? Because what other area of life are we so compelled to act so irrationally It seems almost cliche at this point. It makes sense that we should take a second look at that, but let's start out by defining some of your terms because there is a difference between a clear-cut alien lovebite and what you call a dark side of Cupid type relationship Can you break these open for us? Well on the Love Bite book which was the one that first came out in the year 2000 it was really more about quote the alien alien love bite

02:47 And what I discovered working with people who've had multiple alien abduction histories and or alien visitations experiences, and also those who had what I call the my lab or the millab kind of experience. Many of them have their relationships engineered or disrupted or interfered with in some way by who they felt were there alien handlers? And sometimes they were, you know aliens or ETs or what they thought were ETs and other times it wasn't always clear. Or maybe it was let's say the MyLab handler who was a human but operating in this kind of secret underground base kind of situation along with aliens. So my first book was really about several case histories of people who definitely recognized that their love connections have been

03:32 Engineered or set up or even disrupted for some reason by these alien beings where they actually witnessed alien beings you know coming in the room and trying to scare off let's say a partner who is somebody are dating that's a new lover. I mean, there's a lot of different cases in that book that basically demonstrate the hypothesis that hey not only are aliens doing things like the classic abduction experience or visitations where they may be doing medical procedures. Or taking you on a ship or whatever it is that you usually hear about but they're also engineering our love relationships and actually interfering on a more subtle level sometimes its no so subtle

04:14 But it will interfere with our emotional lives as if they're testing our emotional responses to things and interfering in different ways that I think many of the early researchers didn't consider credible evidence. But it doesn't really matter if it sounds credible or not, they're doing what they're doing and the effects are very well witnessed and felt by a lot of people so that was the first book and that opened up a huge can of worms although My predecessors before me knew well about this phenomena and it was the late doctor carla turner, add barbara bartolak in particular who really helped educate me on what we're calling the drama of love obsession that has been engineered by certain types of alien beings so.

05:03 That helped me a lot in terms of understanding what was happening because it was actually happening to me and several people when i was having support group so i was doing this actually in the early nineteen nineties for the mid nineties i was doing regular support group for people who had what i call anomalous trauma. Most of it was people who knew they were having alien visitations or maybe the military abduction element and then some who might have had some kind of MKUltra ritual abuse. But most of them were people who are very well familiar with the alien abduction experience, and we discovered that there were several of us having experiences where we're all basically

05:43 in some kind of love obsession where we're having these profound dreams that felt more than dreams. And this actually happens to a lot of people who have these Alien visitations many times in their life that you know a lot of people think oh it's just the dream but really is not a dream they're actually interacting with you on another level of reality and they can interfere with you and maybe only remember as a dream and it could actually be a physical event or could be something where there are acting on another dimensional reality or the astral plane But more often than not they definitely can interfere and what we called it in the old days We would say well, you know I had this really weird dream And you know such-and-such was present there was an alien standing there and they wanted me to be with this other person and They wanted me. They were like testing me to see how I would find This other person to be attractive that was like they were trying to set us up Hmm kind of like how we breed animals in the zoo

06:38 Yeah, well it's like they look at a lot of parameters I think in these relationship setups. So it tended to be that the many abductees were set up with other abductees so that the aliens tended to want to use people who were already under their watch, so to speak or they're on the program But some of them were not. Some of them were actually chosen for one reason or another just to, for a particular reason and it wasn't always known what it would be but then after they were finished with whatever they wanted to use that person for, basically switched him right off and the relationship was cut off and then they are on to the next experiment so this is actually explained in several cases in The Love Bite

07:27 Hmm interesting interesting. So this lovebite idea is sort of new to me, but it makes a lot of sense Let me ask you what these entities get out of these manipulations are there different categories or agendas that you've identified? Oh definitely I think there's layers of agendas as well For example in the in the military abduction element whether is obviously a human element and some kind of covert cabal shadow government military Action that is working in conjunction with non human entities are what appear to be not human entities where let's say the military cabal human group may have a particular agenda or reason for setting someone up or breaking their relationship and then the entity that they're working for who actually other bosses because the hierarchy goes basically it's the alien controllers.

08:18 A lot of these things and then the aliens may have their own agenda where that they're basically making a deal. For the reptilians for example, they want to feed on the energy more or less. They tend to do that more often. They tend to be more overt with their strategy and how they're manipulating So the military may want to use someone, let's say as an operative to do remote viewing or some kind of psychic ability that is amplified through sexual energy. And it is known that sexual energy and kundalini activation can amplify that kind of psychic ability and paranormal ability

08:58 thing. And so, you know the aliens will know how to amplify and manipulate that so that the Kundalini and sexual energy is basically amplified through interaction with a reptilian for example And then right after that, after that sexual interaction where that amplification takes place the military would come and then they will take that person. Sometimes it will take them out of the body or they'll just take their body and then they'll take him through a portal and then they use them on some kind of operation that may involve let's say remote viewing or some kind of psychic thing

09:34 Wow that actually was reported in the book with a mill lab who had numerous, numerous encounters. So what I had hypothesized is there was basically four or five reasons and of course the first one was really what Barbara Bartholich helped me understand clearly and that was it as a type of emotional harvesting of energies That these beings are feeding off of us and that they are deliberately creating these dramas and siphoning the sexual energy in the Kundalini energy to literally feed off of it as if it was a drug that fed them like they, there are type of vampire and parasite. I think that's the main reason

10:15 But, there's other reasons that they may want to put people together and it could be they want a particular couple to work together because their connection will facilitate them carrying out let's say an agenda for their controllers or they may want to have children of that genetic combination or that bloodline. Or let's see, there was several like if there were mill labs. Sometimes they put people together because it amplifies the sexual Kundalini energy in such a way that they are better twin pairs working together as operatives so that they work better because they have a stronger bond and their part of the let's

10:56 Let's say the characteristics of having a love bite for example is you have a very, very powerful connection and it can feel like a soulmate because it's so strong that you're literally empathic and telepathic with that other person. It's like your souls are blended together in some of these experiences. So when that happens let's say a twin pair will be telepathic with one another and they could share information on a much more secure way Let's say other forms of information transfer so even things like mine file sharing a literally download information from the energy body and to love by partner that's what happens in labs in these high level operations that are definitely you know beyond what we hear.

11:43 in some of these MKUltra projects, although now we're starting to hear about that a little bit more in terms of the super soldiers and what they really do and how they're used. But the aliens also use people this way not just human handlers so... Right, and you mentioned energy feeding. This is a big explanation behind the pedophilia rings we hear about in these high-level elite circles and institutions They sometimes get exposed And then are never really held accountable but feeding on the trauma and energy of children is apparently a key component Maybe you get more bang for the buck with children I know it's just speculation But I wonder about the chicken and the egg question do powerful groups just decide to start feeding off the trauma and energy Of children because they can

12:25 Or can some of their wealth and power and longevity be attributed to these practices? It's hard to place exactly, and maybe these practices are being carried out on behalf of the non-human portion of the power pyramid. Maybe it's not even energy for the humans themselves—a proverbial deal with the devil type exchange. Again hard to speak with any certainty here but there definitely seems to be a connection wouldn't you say? Well there's definitely a connection between energy and power because sexual energy is the Shakti, they call it Shakti in the life force does give you more power when you know how to apply it.

13:02 And a lot of these, I think people who are doing it they've been able to streamline sorcery black magic tantra along with technology to amplify what they can get out of this life force energy. And it's most likely done through sexual energy siphoning or our blood sacrifice in in terms of the Satanists and stuff, but I think there's an element of what I call the psychopathic vampiric character of many these people. Well people who are hosted by these non-human malevolent we can call them archontic parasites you can call other names right? But there is a psychopathic characteristic that causes to behave in ways that are quite perverse and corrupt and sexually perverted

13:47 And so I think that happens with a lot of these groups that have been taken over by these really malevolent entities that require blood sacrifice and feeding to feed these entities. Right, man! It's a common thing to talk about being overwhelmed or controlled by sexual desire and libido but how do we know what is built into our biology versus what is being manipulated by something else outside? Have you developed a method to kind of discern between the two? I suppose the only way to know is if you had one of these manipulations and then you compared it to what wasn't a manipulation. Fair Sometimes, let's say you have a love bite. Let me tell you when you have one because it is so powerful. The connection is often sudden like a sudden switching on and love obsession with another person

14:40 And sometimes this happens in accordance with a powerful dream that seems a little more real than usual. Or it could happen after an abduction where there's missing time or a light in the sky, or maybe you meet somebody and they just seem to have qualities that seem unnaturally charismatic or powerful But when you have an activation of your sex drive where let's say it'll be switched on almost like something is literally being switched on in the middle of the night at a certain time or a certain place in your body along with images that are being thrown in there, then you know there's something artificial about it. So you really have to just feel what it feels like but energy healers that I've worked with over the years

15:27 clairvoyance, for example where they actually perceive the energy body such as the aura and the chakras and the different meridians. And some who are quite clairvoyant can actually perceive if there are let's say energetic overlays in implants or psychic cords linking them into an entity or a person so oftentimes you'll be able to see and feel something that feels like etheric implant or maybe even a physical implant If you can do some kind of scan and find something there. So that's been found, that's actually common yeah. So if a person is not practicing magic overtly how do they really get mixed up with these types of entities? Is it as random as say getting stung by a bee? Do we just occasionally wander onto the radar of some interdimensional being in some cases?

16:19 Well, some people believe that this is just a part of being born into this reality on earth that once we're born we're in a predatory realm. We are under the reality of these archontic rulers who are parasites by nature and it's basically agnostic belief, but I think that there are ways where you may come under more influence of these beings by having certain kinds of genetic profiles, bloodlines or connections with certain groups. So I don't think it's necessarily opportunistic although I think there are some who tend to be chosen where it seems like if it is out of the blue and they're just some kind of experiment whose being suddenly targeted

17:04 But in my work, I've found that there usually is a pattern. You could observe where the connections are made and that's actually a good thing because then that shows we can have power over this kind of situation to explore our own history. This is what i do in my therapeutic work, always basically explore someone's history in terms of your traumas what's the family connections you know did they have any affiliations with occult groups at practice magic or witchcraft or blood oaths or sacrifices many generations down maybe they're not even aware of that kind of a connection or alphabet soup agencies military industrial complex careers aerospace careers what things that we found with the mill labs in particular and these are people that redefined as.

17:52 Someone having multiple alien abductions where they actually observed aliens in many of their encounters or abductions But they also had this military element as if they're in a specific project that has MK ultra overtones Okay, and many of those people had parents who worked for alphabet soup agencies are high-level Freemason occult witchcraft groups or aerospace So, I think that once these companies hire these people they make some kind of agreements or they may get involved in certain occult organizations that lock them in under a type of control system where once they make those agreements with those large corporations or occult groups then that locks in a permission to use everybody under their bloodline and these projects. And I think there's something to that

18:45 Yeah, you hear about it more and more. And definitely on the subject of the Milabs thing I hear really three different types of cases. I guess I hear people saying that this is a covert Nazi eugenics program under the guise of an alien abduction program or that it's a partnership between ETs in military like you just mentioned Or that in some cases the military is doing their own follow-up abductions on people who have had actual alien abductions to try to get more information on what it's like for these people. Do you see all three of those being true or is it a combination, or is there more one than the other?

19:26 You know, actually I think all three are true. What i'm finding is that there's definitely the whole interrogation thing where let's say these groups, covert military shadow government whatever they tend to know who's being taken or who was having real encounters with like the real ETs like the real higher up ones or occasional ones and then they will want to follow them probably for their own national security reasons or they want to find out If this person is a threat or who they're working with and if it's counter to their agenda, or if they're you know security risk. Then there are the ones that I think do fake alien abductions under cover making it pretend aliens and they really just doing some kind of MK ultra sub project

20:13 And then some of these aliens are believed to be maybe they're nothing more than these hyperdimensional entities that come from other dimensional realms that have been invoked through these occult sorcery types of groups. Then they are able to carry out a lot of different control systems and MKUltra and theatrical things with what they've learned through these entities, to control and manipulate people like puppets So, I mean, I think all of that's going on. One of the things that I've heard recently has to do with like the Nazi connection which we know there is a Nazi connection with some of this ET technology and reverse engineered stuff but I think it has to do with time travel technology and what happens when let's say certain groups humans will use this

21:06 over time, they will insert themselves throughout history so that they basically become a breakaway group or breakaway civilization and that maybe the time travel technology along with their let's say where are they at spiritually in terms of ethics. If they are on a selfish bent you know? Or if there don't have integrity then they can become regressive and their genetics actually degrade to become more I don't know, just more degraded and more psychopathic. And i think actually that's what happened with some of these really psychopathic vampiric non-human entities

21:43 We're calling them aliens, but it makes you wonder how did they get that way? Because a lot of these abduction projects are claiming that they're here because we need to help them upgrade their genetics. Or they try and turn around and say oh, they're upgrading ours but really that's a bunch of bullshit! They need to upgrade our genetics I think their genetics is messed up because what they've done and they're trying to piggyback on us to upgrade their own consciousness because their consciousness is degraded in their genetically mutated vehicles. So it kind of goes together, all that? Mm-hmm. So I think there is this whole Nazi connection that there's a lot of fakery and theatrics being done in the abduction phenomena. I definitely think there's a lot of theatrics being done and then you can't necessarily take things at face value when people are remembering things. I think you have to dig deeper and really access

22:35 I'm calling the spirit component of the person or we can call it the higher self. So there's a part of us that knows that absolute truth and so what i like to do in my work is, is to work with someone in such a way that they can access directly their higher self, their spirit and go beyond any kind of programming or trickery or booby traps so they can get maybe more of a pure truth of what really happened and is happening, who these beings really are. Because I think there is a lot of fakery and there's a lot of programming, and that's unfortunate but it's true. Yeah it's so tough to separate the fact from the fiction and then when you study MKUltra and learn about just how malleable our minds and our memories can be... It's hard to separate what actually happened to us from what just in our heads

23:30 Yeah, I mean it's amazing. I think whoever these beings are and the human groups that work with some of them they have this down to a science and have been doing this for a very long time And I think some of these secrets are very ancient They've been done by cult groups long before you know the Nazi era for example So there's a way that they can do magic manipulation of our perception as well as controlling our energy and our consciousness through these I'm going to call them archontic or demonic beings that they've invoked. And that creates a problem it you know, you hear a lot about that with the satanic ritual abuse That's the more diabolical forms but there are other kinds of cults and then there is MKUltra that seems to have more of military application but

24:20 My view is that many of the people who had super soldier experiences are making those claims, or those who've been heavily involved in MK ultra let's say the high level. Hi level operatives there usually some hidden element of what i call kind of cult ritual abuse that I think the hidden underlying pin that's allowing this and controlling the whole thing is a type of principality or spiritual interdimensional entity or entities, that have been invoked like high-level powers. That are under this whole demiurgic realm that's about in ancient Gnostic literature

25:02 Yeah, I see plenty of indications that that could be true too. Can you maybe elaborate a little bit on the ritual or satanic abuse or some of the experiences from people You've talked to that give the listeners a picture of what's happening in some of these cultist circles like what some other? Actual activities or rituals might entail Wow well, I know that there was someone who just did an excellent radio show and With chris hart white wolf bun again somebody who shared his experiences and he didn't really uncover all these memories until much later down the road and that's usually how things happen if you're a high level operator of your assassin or super soldier whatever it is

25:46 Sometimes, you don't come to the awareness of your complete involvement on all these different levels until you go through recovery and healing and therapy for a period of time. So he actually shared the ritual cult abuse element that he discovered through his healing process that was involved in – His was hardcore heavy like malevolent cult like a Lilith cult. But not everybody has something that's that diabolical. Sometimes it's something as simple as, oh like I remember one gal she was really into the Egyptian thing and she had a lot of alien abductions but they seemed to be just quote alien graves but then on occasion she would have memories of these aliens dressed up in robes like involved in a ritual kind of thing

26:33 And we're in an underground base in Area 51. And be like, why are aliens in robes doing rituals and Area 51? I mean that doesn't sound right. That sounds kind of like something else is going on and it's under cover of something else. So every now and then if somebody has memories of a lot of blood or sexual abuse or sacrifice or being taken where there's people dressed in robes. But sometimes it's just a ceremonial memory that you might have in a dream, when people may be dressed in costumes and there is some kind of Masonic feel to it or Egyptian deities being spoken then you have a clue that there's some kind of ritual element being done in that person's life

27:17 But it's not always available to the memory or the consciousness until they do a lot of recovery work. That's my experience anyway. Right, and that's kind of what makes it hard for me to really adopt as a solid truth that I can depend on. I love hearing the stories and that's very fascinating to me but I'm always a little skeptical when someone tells me that they got their memories way later than they all came back later or after they were involved in hypnotic regression because i just am not sure how you know memories get into our mind and sometimes, I don't know how reliable those types of memories are. That's it? That's a good question!

28:00 Sometimes our memories can be messed with, with mind control and hypnosis. Many people remember things without the aid of regressive hypnosis and they may you know when they do a good investigation of their history they'll try to find things in the past and corroborative testimonies by family members or people that will remember certain things that they remember and they could go and check the facts and you know that's the best way to do it if you can but Oftentimes, trauma is such a way we react to it or respond to it. We will repress things until such time that we feel safe and are ready to actually process that actual memory because it's so full of emotion usually or very shocking things

28:46 We cannot handle that as a child or the age in which we had it then you add on the mind control and top of it that they don't want us to remember there's a lot of these security issues when your being used is an operative undermine control, can you have all this extra stuff that they do to make sure that you don't remember because its a security issue so. It's really amazing that we remember it all, actually. Yeah! On the subject of the MilLab stuff I've had guests who talk about innocent-seeming screenings and testings in grade school to actually be programs to seek out psychically gifted or intuitive kids and we know that the military used a screen their recruits for involvement in special programs that are related to these kind of psychic effects

29:35 What do you think the military is doing here today? Are they still involved in these things or are they just trying to find people that could maybe open greater channels of communication with the other side, or are they more deeply involved in working towards something more nefarious. What are the experiencers that you're talking to what indications are they giving you Well, and I remember that's something that we shared in our support group early on actually. It was more the mill labs in particular or the people who had a lot of abilities and then we would just share like you remember when you were kid in elementary school? And then they do these like hearing tests and then yeah You'd always have to get big call you like two or three times and then set you off in a different room and Then they would be going you can hear that you can hear that and obviously some people just had

30:23 greater ability to hear frequencies that were, I guess not normal for the other kids. And they just tended to want to check certain people more and then they ended up in these projects but it's not just a hearing test. I think there was other programs In the early days where they would, you know you'd be this special gifted kid and then they take you and do stuff. And then you would have a memory swipe and wouldn't remember it when you put another project or something like Project Pegasus for example that's something Andy Basagio talked about. Yes I think that they did check but there must be ways i mean there is many people who find themselves in these projects and its not necessarily the schools

31:04 Although many who have been in these projects they were orphans for example or they were in a catholic school. Where are basically and some kind of organization that was completely controlled by those who run these programs so a lot of times they were in special schools and so there were access to a lot more I think they know by a genetic signature or if you're in a certain bloodline, or even maybe there's a frequency signature that they can read when you're born and come into incarnation. They have some kind of way to detect certain people who are extraordinary Mm-hmm, and I don't know if they all are it is just that seems that way It's like these high vibrating people who are really aware. They tend to get targeted really bad And there's something to that you know

31:56 Yeah, and these whole programs there has to be a strong corporate involvement too right because I mean with companies like Boeing or Lockheed Martin even yeah Dad work for lucky. I'm sorry you cut out right there And I think that was important what was that? I said Lockheed yeah You know my dad worked for luck no wonder blanked out Right, I actually knew that and I also saw in your bio that you worked for some biotech corporations in San Diego where I live and I just recently had a guest who talked about the strong military corporate collusion here as well as the high concentration of gang stalking and mill labs experiences going on in the area. And In particular with this corporation SAIC

32:39 Yeah, James Barley would probably know about that. In fact, James also lived in San Diego around the same time that I did and we were actually part of the same support group so he knew about SAIC because I remember him talking about that It wouldn't surprise me that there's many that are military, industrial interests in some kinds of technologies and then either experimenting or using people in certain family bloodlines for their own I mean, i can see that's a probability just based on technology. You know? Right! Well you've said you had couple experiences you alluded to but it is an interesting background for yourself with your dad working for Lockheed and you working in the area... To be here in such a hotbed for this kind of stuff and then branching out to give counseling & therapy to victims of these things

33:33 Absolutely. I mean, there's always this process of awakening and you know really one of the reasons why i got my masters in counseling psychology. I really wanted to learn more about the abduction and UFO phenomena because I knew it had happened to me in my life and I wanted to learn and I wanted to heal and I wanted to help others heal and learn what I learned so was all a discovery process and when I look back on it now I feel like that You know i could have been involved in a project where maybe they wanted me to do something but i didn't do what they wanted me to do that i chose healing and i chose you know, what i felt was a better route than just.

34:14 Being a scientist, you know I mean just been a scientist but it didn't want to do that so yeah one more power to ya and You mentioned bloodlines? And that's something. I want to elaborate on a little bit because oftentimes It can be hard just even peg down who some of these big elite quote unquote Illuminati families even are. And then some people talk about the bloodlines of the fallen angels, that's even harder to trace or get verification of. Can you give us more details about that element? How you actually parse out a particular experiencer's background and determine they are part of a branch of some high profile family tree?

34:57 Well, when I talk to people, I take as much of their history that they're able to share. That they're willing to share because I think there is family involvement and And to me, it's definitely bloodline. So sometimes you could tell by the surname or you just trace it back whatever line and find is there a name that's related to royalty that you can trace back in history? Sometimes you can, sometimes you can't and then there's blood type. You want to check the blood type and many of the RH negatives tend to be chosen at a higher statistical frequency than the norm and I feel like there's something there

35:34 Although, sometimes you don't know unless somebody just tells you because they know they're in a family that's high level Illuminati bloodline that's involved in the cult activity. But I think most people are not that caliber but the high-level bloodliners they're going to be involved in things that are more overt like the things that Svali talks about and she was actually from the San Diego area and helped Train many people so she explained a lot of the classic Illuminati training Scenarios and the kind of things that happen to those families and what they do And so the Fritz spring Meyer also discussed that like how that happens in the monarch MK ultra related SRA programming but The people that I'm working with you don't always see such an overt high-level bloodline

36:26 red flag, for example. It's just not so overt and I think now with many of the mill labs it seems like as long as they have spiritual permission to work with the person through some agreement of entrapment that is based on a spiritual law and that in conjunction with some kind of genetic signature that they want then they can just up and take you. So its as if you have those desired qualities than its as Those things in your life are engineered in such a way that you have a type of systematic trauma that may come through, quote your family or your work or your relationships. Or even just happen only in the abduction or the other dimensional realm? So it's not always so clear cut and overt now I think because their technology is so good now they know how to do it so well

37:20 Because really if they want to use you as an operative, to carry out on agenda. They want to cause the mind to be traumatized to dissociate so they can program it with personalities programs abilities and overlay it with what say attached entities or demons are whatever you wanna call them. And that's basically what they wanna do when they use you as one of their own So they want all those qualities along with high intelligence, right? And just an ability to do whatever they want you to do. I don't necessarily have to it doesn't have to show in your outer life. Mm-hmm Yeah, it can be subtle and I do think that is a really compelling angle the idea that you know having a grandfather or a great-grandfather who was involved in Freemasonry or some secret society this idea that they have blood oaths are offerings for future generations and exchange for You know wealth and power in their own life

38:19 I think that's really interesting and it seems totally possible to offer up your unborn child as some entity in exchange for welder power. I'm interested though, in the logistics of such a deal have you looked into what makes a covenant like that binding? Because if I did something like sold my soul to Satan on a piece of loose leaf paper on the third grade playground, I would hope that doesn't actually count for anything but what do you know about these types of agreements That's a good question. Actually, I came to well understand more about the spiritual laws through what I call the aboriginal dreamtime healing and the laws of lore. And that's actually an aboriginal kind of understanding of how reality works with the spiritual worlds in the dreamtime

39:07 to why certain things happen and there's things that we call agreements of entrapment. And sometimes they're actually quite subtle, and they're not as overt as like signing a contract or making the deal during a ritual but I think that when rituals are really done when you're really making a contract it is binding usually blood oaths of some there's always some kind of blood involvement in that or signing getting your agreement is really important for these beings Getting some kind of agreement because they have to work by their own laws, too But whether or not they're binding if you were like a kid You know I don't know. I think that we're learning through things like holographic kinetics although This is all very subjective you know because this is what happens in a clearing process where we're accessing spirit and spirits taking us to the origin of a particular trauma or issue where we know there's some kind of

40:02 pattern or interference going on. So we just take where the spirit leads us and then the spirit might show us a particular experience, where something occurred, where it was trauma or an ancestor did something and made an agreement so basically cancel it out, go back in time and you cancel it out and recreate something that you want to get rid of entities And you basically change the past, change the present and recreate your future. So you have the power to do that as long as you can work with your spirit and work with someone else who's in agreement with you to do that? I think even if we did it with prayer personally, that you could just pray that you want to cancel all those contracts that might be in your family line to make sure that you're out of that game and you don't wanna take part in any game that you're not aware how you might be accessed in some way

40:52 Hmm. So that's interesting, yeah I love the idea! I mean i've had guests talk about the financial success of certain groups like the Knights Templar and their worship of Baphomet and it's a bit of a paradigm shift when you start attributing super successful factions of the elite with these individual entities like Baphomet...I mean they had to be getting something out of the deal maybe it's the offspring of these people? Sure, I mean, I know. I have worked with people who are sought after for one reason or another and I believe there's certain bloodlines that are very sought out because they have certain abilities and lineages that for some reason they want them

41:34 and that they will make offers to people in a lot of times when they make offers it's not always like something is happening in the three d world where they are at a boardroom and they offer you this contract blah blah blah. What time did you suddenly another come into your dreams but then make it very well known this is not a dream and this is what we're offering you and they will offer you whatever you want if you just do what they want believe me that happens a lot right, You can accept it but then nobody ever knows because it's done on the southern realm but its just as binding. Yeah, and if you think about this reality as illusionary in nature or holographic the idea of giving up a part of yourself for A piece of the hologram seems so backwards and these entities probably are just laughing all the way to the bank You know they're like yeah I got a piece of something real And all I had to do was a little abracadabra over here and show them a shiny car some green pieces of paper in a vault And now I got the only thing that really matters in this life

42:35 Dr. Landaau Yeah, essentially because it is our power. I mean this whole bloodline thing is really fascinating when you if some of these ancient Gnostic scriptures are true about what really happened in the beginning with let's say the Demiurge, the archons and the beings under them that crossbred with Eve and some of these humans where they actually created, they call it the serpent line but it might be actually many variations that is a type of hybrid that comes from... The father element is from like a demiurgic source. So there's many lines that claim that they're under different fallen angels and then there are those

43:17 Supposedly of the more pure spiritual race that in the last literature they call it the second race spiritual race which is basically just like adam and eve or the pure human spirituals that came are scared can from the eternal realm. Whereas the Demiurge is a secondary creation that did not come from the eternal realm. That's why we have more spiritual power than they do, but they're always trying to trick us and control and manipulate us to take our power so we don't know we have it and just do all these dumb games right? But supposedly there is a certain line of humans that have a greater

43:53 spiritual faculty of remembrance and in Gnostics they call it acquaintance. It's really remembering who you are, remembering the eternal realm from where you came and reconnecting with that inner knowing. And so I think that there is bloodlines where you have a little bit more those qualities and you find it like...I've worked with people who say women who claim that they're just sought after like friggin' I don't know how much you call it but they're just these beings are always after them for some reason is because they have a genetic quality of their blood and the star fire thing. These things come after them because they have this quality in me have superior

44:32 I don't even want to call it psychic, spiritual remembrance and abilities and awareness. And so they're sought after and then what these darker bloodlines will do is they'll seek to intermarry and interbreed with the pure ones because they want to hijack control and exploit that pure power that comes from the other one And so that's what a lot of these bloodlines they basically They're intermarrying so they can take this the true spiritual gifts from the true spiritual race and so now all we have is just A mixture of all that now everybody's probably some hybrid, right? So that's there thereafter certain lines more than others and there really is a real thing That and I read this actually in a French It was a French translation because I think the French and the Europeans know a hell of a lot about this kind of thing

45:23 that there is something that is passed on from in the bloodlines of spiritual gifts, that will happen let's say after somebody dies and then within a month or less or whatever. Then the ancestor who is the remaining living ancestor will receive spiritual gifts at the one that just died because there is something that has passed on through the blood so there is something to that Yeah, it seems like we can say there's a lot of different things going on but still only to a fraction of people and skeptics probably roll their eyes and ask where is the hard data for some of these wilder claims. And a smoking gun is probably always just gonna be outside our reach for all this stuff but anecdotally just look at some of the major players that we do know about Henry Kissinger and David Rockefeller go look at recent picture these guys

46:12 They don't look like your sweet old clueless grandpa. I mean, could a person even look more demonic? But that's not all folks You know Maybe I'm dealing with too small of a data set but look at the law of averages with some of these guys ages Henry Kissinger 92 David Rockefeller 100 Pope Ratzinger, another demon looking fucker. He's 89 George Herbert Walker Bush he's 91 Barbara Bush 90 Queen of England 90 What are the chances? You know when are they gonna get cancer and heart disease and all this kind of stuff When is someone gonna pull them aside and ask the secret and then we hear these rumors of strange

46:48 longevity rituals and not to go over on too big of a tangent, but we have people like David Bowie, Amy Winehouse, Prince, Whitney Houston. All these well-off celebrities and their speculation that they're sacrifices of some kind? They definitely died decades earlier and it's not conclusive but it really makes you wonder why these elite are living well into their 90s and the rest of us aren't I wonder if they might be here in another 10 years how far are they going to push it? There's no mystery, really. I believe the technology is there for life extension and other occult means to acquire that through vampirism and it's pretty well known in black magic how to do that but not everybody can live that long anyway. I think they just turn into psychopaths basically once they get to that stage. They're completely hosted by a non-human demonic or you can call it like an archontic mind parasite whatever at that stage they're completely taken over

47:45 And I don't know if they're human anymore, you know? Yeah. That's a distinction i am very curious about how much of this is A partnership and then how much of this Is like the elite being ridden by some type of entity Well, I think it's both because there are certain bloodlines that have been heavily influenced. They're very powerful bloodlines where they maybe make oaths and they are of that quote religion and of those practices so if you're born in those ancestries, you may have a heavier ancestral overlay

48:24 We can call it interference. And it would be the soul body of those people are more heavily influenced by the beings that have been invoked and made deals with, but I think that people can overcome and they can clear you know? They can heal and get out from that. But yes, certain bloodlines are heavily more heavily influenced. And this is kind of a random question but we talked a little bit about blood types and certain things affecting people What about people who have contracted more gelons? Have you researched them at all or has this possible connection ever crossed your path

49:05 Well, I mean, I've heard of it. I've had a few clients who do have Morgellons symptoms some of whom knew they were in experimental projects under MK Ultra and I think there is a connection there with some of them that are just an experimental... They're being used for an experimental kind of thing some of them might but that's like the nanotechnology and Harold Koutsveld probably the best person who has researched Those things yeah i talk to him and fascinating stuff i've been wondering about it ever since. Yeah i mean that's a nasty stuff,

49:43 It is. And not to derail this into a whole other topic, but I recently saw that documentary Vaxxed and a stat that stuck with me is that they say if this current trend continues by 2032 half of our children will have autism in 80% of boys and now that sounds pretty radical but yeah If you couple that with the strange reports of Morgellons and observe the way people are plugged into technology becoming more obsessed every day 2032 starts to look like a very strange world indeed and i wonder if we're not being engineered to be empty husks for something else that's coming. I would say so it says looking that way and people think well the whole thing is the artificial intelligence beast which is actually run

50:34 Running a lot of these things and I that's the danger because it's running the humans and running the group so that it's harder to Deviate from because it's locked in a lot of control systems to this psychopathic Absolutely crazy bullshit. That is just unbelievable I mean they want us to turn into a bunch of mind-controlled zombies are completely taken over where they're using our soul or our spiritual energy to carry out their agenda so they can basically piggyback there psychopathic life force on us are through us you know i think you know some of this goes back to the alien parasite.

51:14 Aspect or agenda like the alien parasite consciousness that will parasite our energy bodies and our physical bodies and they do that to live through us because thats how they extend their life through us and its a parasitism, it's not symbiosis. It is parasitism It's something like that because they want to, like in Malanga's work and this goes back to Corrado Malanga of Italy worked with alien abductions for 25 years. Right I've heard you reference him before Yeah and i really like how he has been able Explain this in his own ever do you have a deal with your theory which is an italian but basically we have three components of consciousness within our body, no the mind spirit and soul which if someone is integrated healthy and really in connection with their quotes spiritual remembrance they're going to have this integrated

52:08 consciousness that can seal off a lot of the interference because of the integration factor. But in people who've been traumatized over and over again, especially by these alien parasites they have the incoherence between the mind spirit and soul such that we don't have a clear communication between let's say the mind or the soul or the spirit in the soul or the mind in the soul so you can't access to that part yourself But then the aliens will insert themselves so that they insert themselves in the mind component or the denser energy body That will affect our perception and can block our meridians and could screw us up So that's actually what Malanga found. He was able to work with a method to help us clear ourselves basically through a guided session and find out where these aliens are, how they're parasiting and he was able to discover

53:03 But how we experience the parasitism can actually define archetypically what kinds of beings they are and where they're from. So I found that pretty fascinating because many people who've had what they think is, let's say a reptilian being parasiting their field, let's say an interdimensional fourth dimensional being. They will be seen or observed or felt as if they're hovering in the back of them or clenching onto their back or their solar plexus or their sexual areas but they feel like they're always on the backside of them and there is actually a reason for that because of their nature

53:43 That they're nothing more than shadow beings that supposedly are archetypically from the universe behind us. And that's why they're experienced that way, whereas if we have a being that is parasiting us from our own universe it isn't felt or experienced in that way. It's experienced in a different way So it's pretty amazing and it really goes back to a lot of the same things that we're finding with, you know, the aboriginal dream time healing. You know the spirit entity attachments and how these beings behave and what they're really after So I think it's a lot of the same thing under many different names because these beings, many of the alien beings. I think they use many different forms and masks but that's why it's so confusing when we talk to all the different alien races and oh its this one and then there is that one and da-da-da-da and it gets so confusing! But I think they use many different

54:40 And that's why it's so confusing. So we really have to you know, find out what is their energetic signature? What are they doing to us and are they speaking the truth and yeah You know you have to use a more refined discernment process right? You definitely do and we are getting kind of down to it But your work seems to take you all over the strangeness map What seems to be the latest piece of the puzzle that has your attention where is the work going um one having interest in Understanding the multi-dimensional aspect of our being and the remembrance that we have with our spirit in, let's say the eternal realm of being. And understanding multiple time loops and timelines and lifetimes that will give us a memory of how all this works together and what is our place in that? Just kind of looking at it from a more comprehensive view

55:37 connectedness. And really it takes me to a more spiritual place of we definitely have to do our healing and the best way to come to that is to connect more deeply with our heart and with our spirit, and once we make that connection then all else is basically kind of revealed to us in terms of what we really need. That's really the safeguard is once we make that self-connection then we come to a better understanding of everything Right on, well said. Well, Eve I really enjoyed talking to you. I think the idea of interdimensional interference in our lives is definitely deserving of this exploration. I'm glad that I could have here to talk about some of these lesser explored angles but before we go would you remind people where to dig deeper into your work as well as where to grab the books? Thanks for asking my website is evelorgen.com

56:36 I also have a Facebook page under Evie Lorgen and Eve Lorgen. And then both my books are available through Amazon, Kindle and hard copy. And then my website also has information on both books so that you can order directly there or through Amazon. So...and I'm working on another book with the colleagues It's always ongoing exploration and discovery of what this is all about. Yeah, it doesn't seem like the rabbit hole really ever ends! But very cool fascinating stuff thanks again and take care yourself out there thank you so much you got it have a great day you too

57:17 Boom people another show in the bag not too shabby you know it was a listener who told me about Eve's work and the alien love bite idea so I thought i'd make a good episode. And it is worth exploring since love is probably the most spell like experience an average person has, And when you see the pattern of fascination with sex and procreation that beings of lore, space and magic seem to have I think you can make a good case that something's going on there on an energetic spiritual level multi-dimensional level That might not be entirely clear. I definitely think there are cases where people are making a big deal out of nothing or giving too much power To external forces in their life but you don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater right?

58:00 I do wish we could have gotten into more details, especially about satanic abuse and cult victims. Obviously we know the cliche broad terms like blood sacrifice and rituals but i'd have liked to have heard more about accounts from the Rolodex of cases that Eve's familiarized herself with but a lot of those are in her books as well I also think we just talked about several different types of interactions and situations, and it wasn't always clear what was what. And sometimes it towed the line of a battered wife advice show which I guess might come off as a little bit weird but I thought some of those were unique approaches to the kind of material fans of a show like this are probably used to hearing

58:41 Maybe a lot of familiar concepts, but with a sour fruity twist. Another reason I was particularly intrigued when I was setting this up is that another listener contacted me and told me about a strange relationship she had and she had sent me some pictures as well But apparently she was married to a powerful guy for about five years said he was a mason And he was filthy rich told her he got his money from a family business but she couldn't even find any documentation of this business and finally concluded that he actually worked high up in a big oil corporation and he liked collecting voodoo artifacts. He would actually send people to Africa, the birthplace of voodoo, to get specific things sometimes from graves she said apparently

59:27 I also thought it was interesting he'd do a lot of high-level wheeling and dealing but whenever she or another person was around to hear they would do their dealing in French so no one could really know what's going on. Crazy stuff and I thought that maybe we could get some insight into those types of relationships and the idea of entity involvement. But, I don't know lots of speculation which has its place but...I don't know if we brought very many new ideas to the table but i hope you found something interesting in there And if you want to dig deeper into these things maybe you've had some abnormal or energetically draining relationships In your own life? And you want to feel like you're not alone Or get advice for what to do

1:00:07 Eve's books would be the best place to go for you that I know and I do apologize for the delay. I know it's already the 15th of the month, and this is only show number two But I did have some scheduling issues Had to push a show back from when I thought it was gonna be recorded And didn't really have time to fill that void but we are back on track now We got eve today I just recorded a show with Melinda Leslie who you might remember Robert Guffey bringing up when we discussed his book camellia and the S AIC Corporation and its weird ties to the Milab abduction experience. And then we're going to be talking about The Dark Prince of Chaos Magic, Gordon White once again he has another new book out this one's called The Chaos Protocols About Success Magic in the New Economic Reality and I have been reading it and loving it you'll even find a quote of praise from me in it which is

1:00:59 bit of an honor. But that's gonna be a great one, really psyched for that and then I have some other interesting interviews scheduled in the next couple weeks. I hope they go according to plan and if so we might be able to blow a few minds but until then take care yourself! I still have some conspiraties i'm trying to clear out that are 50% off at conspirates.net And that's pretty much it for me this week Your move Cupid energy vampires and alien lovebiters your fucking move I put a spell on you Because you're my high side spell Watch out, I like Can't stand running around Can't stand You don't see

1:03:02 I'm afraid to do the time, yeah, yeah, yeah. I ain't gonna take none of your proving rounds

1:03:47 And I can't stance No one putting me down Yeah, yeah, yeah This is about you This is mine The high size to the new You're not afraid to do the time Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh