Eric Dubay | The Flat Earth Theory & The Masonic Matrix Manipulators

00:04 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed a nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times but we're far from 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration We offer a fresh conversation! I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chats How's it going, Hireside Chatters? I'm your humble host Greg Carlwood. Just drinking a little drink and smoking a little smoke in sunny San Diego and on our never-ending quest to shake the truth free from the feral fierce talons of the power pyramid we often talk about the idea that our reality might be far different than what we're being told Maybe Saturn was once a brown dwarf star in our original sun maybe the moon was brought into orbit as a control center for the ancient Archon overlords maybe the earth is wrought with caverns and underground worlds full of nonhuman species

01:01 farming the human population for genetic material, or maybe we're just imprisoned in a holographic universe. It's hard to say for sure and these are just a few of the models we've explored on this journey into the center of truth and today were going deep into another one... One that many of you probably think right out of the gate is automatically ridiculous Is that a conditioned response perhaps? Only time will tell, but you'll quickly learn that today's guest does not shy away from critics' questions and as he eloquently stated to me in the interview this is the truth and he is not afraid of anyone researching it too much. And that's an approach I can appreciate for anything fringe. I can't say it has turned me, but it definitely opened my mind to a newfound respect for the flat earth argument. You might be surprised to feel the same way and you'll want to remember this moment as the last time you thought the flat earth was stupid

01:49 And I stalled putting out today's show because i've been waiting a couple of days to hear back from the Money Bomb winner this month, Mr. McDermott Please check your email so that I can give you the $279 bucks I'm trying to give ya Hopefully we'll hear from you next week! I also have to thank a listener named Daniel who mentioned he had some audio skills and I just happened to get some nasty feedback on this recording that he greatly improved So we all thank you man, but it's time we get weird. And if you walk away from this with more questions definitely leave them in the comments for either Eric or I have had several Flat Earth researchers requested recently maybe we can do a follow up? But first let's grease the wheels wet the whistles and lay a good base with my man Eric Dubé. Drink a little drink my friend smack a little sma- Cause it looks like Mr. Carlwood is studying our vision

02:40 We're diving down the rabbit hole, trying to relax. Alright people, recently we've been exploring some increasingly extreme possibilities and pushing the envelope on what it means to truly challenge everything we think we know. And if we're inclined to agree on the basic premise that this shadowy secret society priesthoods Babylonian bankster bloodlines and a network of powerful puppet masters have been shaping our world since ancient Sumeria It should be within reason to question any other truths you hold dear that have come from official sources

03:16 Today we're tackling several of them that I'm sure many of you have never even thought to doubt because I myself haven't either. And a week ago, I probably wouldn't have taken this episode seriously but after combing over the work at today's guest Eric Dubé, I've changed my tune and tempo and am rethinking the whole damn song itself Eric is the man behind AtlanteanConspiracy.com and the author of a big conspiracy encyclopedia by the same name, covering everything from Atlantis to Zion. He's also more recently finished a book and documentary pair both entitled The Flat Earth Conspiracy A guy that has definitely challenged my worldview And that's not an easy thing these days so let's dive into it Eric my man welcome to THC

03:55 Thanks for having me here. Appreciate it So happy to have you here man and I think a lot of people are going to be challenged with this one And it is gonna be tough to articulate some of these arguments without pictures and diagrams But what I've seen has raised some serious red flags with a lot of things that we take as a given everything from the existence of nuclear weapons in the International Space Station, to the makeup of the earth in the entire universe itself So let's not beat around the bush man. You know to challenge the heliocentric model of the solar system is pretty blasphemous in todays world, so how do we start unravel some this stuff? What are some of the biggest red flags with our traditional understanding that should start putting those first cracks in the listeners preconceived notions

04:37 Sure. Well, just our common sense everyday perception of the Earth it is flat as far as we can tell It is motionless as far as we can tell and everything in the sky Is revolving around us as far as we can tell if nobody told us otherwise We'd logically assume that the earth was flat motionless with everything in the sky revolving around us And you can prove that this is the case as well, for instance with the horizon. As you rise up no matter how high you go on top of Mount Everest or if you go in a balloon higher and higher...as far as 20 miles up and higher we've gotten independent balloons have gone up with cameras The horizon remains flat all the way around and rises to the eye of the camera all the way up Now if Earth were a ball, no matter how big

05:26 The horizon is said to be the curvature of the ball. So as you rose up, the horizon would stay where it was and you'd have to look down if you're in a hot air balloon further and further as you rose up and up and the horizon would be below you But in fact, as high as any non-NASA or RATHA or other Freemasonic space agency has ever shown us. As far as any independent camera has ever gone up with an independent rocket or balloon as far as 20 miles up totally flat and rises to the eye of the observer. So that's one proof, of course you can measure curvature if it actually existed they say the ball earth is 25 thousand miles in circumference and using spherical trigonometry it figures out to 8 inches of curvature per mile squared a mile is squared so for two miles it would be 2 times 2 4 times eight inches 32 inches

06:28 And for the third mile it's 3 squared, which is three times three nine times eight is 72. So you're going 8 32 72 128 inches and so on and this is the kind of curvature that would exist on a ball specifically on a ball 25 000 miles in circumference as I say it is So you can check with theodolites and telescopes and different methods, lasers to see if the Earth actually does have that curvature. And it's been tested over and over again and found to have no curvature whatsoever so I mean even if they had the number wrong and it was a hundred thousand miles in circumference there would still be calculable measurable curvature that just isn't there

07:11 The only place curvature exists is in NASA photos and videos, and those can be proven to be CGI fakes. And the early ones were literally taken through a round window to make the Earth appear round And that's it. It is just photo trickery and brainwashing that has got the world thinking we are on a ball spinning around the sun with a magical force called gravity holding us on the underside of this spinning ball. It is all just brainwashing that we have received, pseudo-science accepted as legit science but real science has confirmed geocentricity in the flat earth

07:50 Earth for thousands of years. The Flat Earth was known to ancient cultures all over the world for thousands of years, and it's actually a relatively recent phenomenon that people have been believing we're on a big ball spinning around the Sun. Pythagoras first came up with it about 2500 years ago. He is also often considered the first Freemason and it didn't go anywhere much from there until two thousand years later. Copernicus picked up where he left off, another Jesuit Freemason and he really picked things up in Kepler and Galileo and Newton and now Einstein and NASA Sagan and Neil deGrasse Tyson all these people they're all part of this freemasonic club that is building a pseudo-scientific worldview to

08:39 indoctrinate the slave class so that we can be propagandized into doing anything. This is basically the biggest thing you could possibly lie about, so the psychopaths who control society are interested in moral domination. The best way to brainwash the whole world, to lie to the whole world about what the world is. What is the earth under your feet? What is in the sky above your head? Where did we come from? You know it's now this lie has now evolved into a big bang evolution heliocentric spinning ball cosmology when in reality where we're not uh cosmic accidental sneeze nothingness turned everything this

09:24 quite obviously intelligently designed this thing we're experiencing here, this life, this universe. I can't believe anyone in their right mind can look me in the eyes with a straight face and say no man it's all random! This is all just random but people do I think you make a lot of great points, and the curvature argument is pretty damn strong. And so here's a little more detail about the curvature argument from your site. It seems like lighthouses are one great example, this first one you have is the Isle of Wight Lighthouse in England it's 180 feet high and can be seen up to 42 miles away A distance at which modern astronomers say the light should fall 996 feet below the line-of-sight Why can you still see it? Then you have several other good examples in the lighthouse department

10:26 but another one worth mentioning that people be familiar with is the Statue of Liberty. It stands 326 feet above sea level and on a clear day can be seen as far as 60 miles away now if the earth was a globe at the dimensions that they give us, that would put Lady Liberty at an impossible 2,074 feet below the horizon these examples seem hard to rectify unless there's some obvious answer that I'm missing but i would say this is a pretty compelling thread evidence my man Yeah, the distance at which the light from lighthouses can be seen at sea is just way too far for the Earth to be a ball 25 000 miles in circumference. Another great example is the Notre Dame Antwerp Spire standing 403 feet high from the foot of the tower with Strasbourg measuring 468 feet above sea level

11:18 And so with the aid of a telescope, ships can be seen on the horizon and captains declare they can see the spire from an amazing 150 miles away. If the Earth were a globe however at that distance, the spire should be an entire mile 5280 feet below the horizon." So there's a lot of examples like this where you've got a whole mile say that the light should be Below the horizon you should not be able to see it and even light refraction that the naysayers try to bring up can't account for it as It can only account for 1 12th of whatever. The original distance is

11:56 So, yeah the light at which lighthouses can be seen at sea as well as the fact that canals tunnels and railroads are never built with curvature in mind whatsoever. That's not necessary and if there were then their plans would be off in fact I've got quotes my book from railroad engineers and canal builders saying how It's hard enough for railroads to make curves horizontally, let alone if we were on a ball and railroads would have to be curving up on the ball. They give examples of different railroads

12:35 over the earth and how long they are, and how much curvature they'd have to be ascending. And it would be so impossible for the trains to go up this curve because trains are made to be on a level. They just can't operate that way." a lot of proofs like that. And I'm thinking well, we've been seeing pictures of the earth from space and it's a perfect circle So either you don't know what you're talking about or those pictures aren't real. This is a serious disconnect That's hard to rectify Neil Absolutely yeah, and they've said that it's a sphere and then they've said that it's an oblate spheroid flattened at the poles so It's kind of like smushed

13:30 And now more recently they're saying it's an oblate spheroid flattened at the poles with a bulge in the south. So, it's kind of pear-shaped so they keep changing it but you're right that the pictures that they've given us they show a perfect circle They don't show any sort of bulge or oblateness as they claim exists and people say oh well It's just not enough to be seen But they're claiming it's quite a bit. He said it's the amount of Everest above sea level is how much... More oblate it is supposedly right you would think that would show up in the pictures now a lot of people's first question is going to be well, where's the edge and I was surprised to See how easy that is to rectify but I'm sure you get that a lot How do you tell people when they come at you with? Well, where's the edge why aren't people sailing off the Edge or whatever so In the flat earth model. The North Pole is in the middle and

14:29 and the Earth is a disk shape, and Antarctica is all the way around holding the oceans in. And so it's a fact if you're at the North Pole and you go south no matter which... actually doesn't matter where you are If you go south eventually you're going to end up in Antarctica but on the ball model its just a little ice continent underneath the ball yet in this model it's all the way around you holding the oceans in As for whether there's an edge beyond the Antarctic ice plateau, this wall that holds everything in is about 100 to 200 feet tall. And once you climb up on the ice wall it's a plateau of snow that just goes on and on and on. The public and myself are ignorant at the moment as to whether if there is an edge at some point, whether there'd be a barrier or dome

15:21 Many ancient cultures have said there is or whether it's an infinite flat plane and it's just snow ice Wind and darkness forever. That's still a mystery how the ice actually terminates But it is a fact that if you travel south from anywhere on Earth, you will end up at the Antarctic ice wall. The lie is that there's a South Pole and they've put a ceremonial red-and-white barbershop pole with all Earth on top of it at an arbitrary point along the Antarctic ice They even admit that it's not the actual South Pole, and they have this complex model how the North and South Poles on the Ball Earth are constantly moving because of the nature of the molten magnetic core of the Ball Earth they claim exists.

16:10 But the real reason is they have guided tours there to the South Pole, and if you took a compass and you stood at their ceremonial pole, you should be able to walk in a circle. And north would be in every direction. Of course that wouldn't happen so they'd have to answer all these tourists every year as to why the South Pole clearly isn't the South Pole They even admit it, you can see on YouTube. And they give their complex answer as to why it's always moving and you can never really find it. Same with the North Pole in fact if you watch North Pole documentaries they always claim they're at the North Pole but they're only showing a Garmin with 90 degrees north latitude. They never pull out a compass actually check if they're at the North Pole just

16:54 on some ice somewhere, could be anywhere on earth. And then they're like three feet two feet one feet we're at the North Pole it's just some random ice you know nothingness so yeah it's easy to lie about these things and these no-man's lands, the North Pole and Antarctica. They don't allow us to independently explore them so people like Rodney Clough or Jarl Andahoy independent explorers who've wanted to go to the North Pole in Antarctica without getting government preapproval and only going with their escorts places they want you to go. They've actually been turned around at gunpoint by military vessels not allowing them to go in. Yarlan Dahoy's faced jail time and fines for it as well

17:39 So they definitely don't want us exploring what is in the middle of flat earth and on the edges. They keep us in the middle." Yeah, I find it really interesting and the first thing that I had thought when I was getting into this was like well what about airplanes? You know people fly from North America to China to Europe all around the globe or you know the proposed globe And this is easy to rectify with the model you laid out, with the North Pole in the center. When you fly if you think about the rings on a bullseye, you can fly around It can make it seem like you're going around a ball, but you're really just going in a circular pattern on a flat plane. And I was like wow! I never really thought about it that way. Of course something we always talk about is hidden-in-plain sight symbolisms and corporate logos they use. If you look at the UN flag

18:33 This is exactly the model you're proposing and it even has an overlay of a bullseye pattern that shows you the overlay is exactly how planes would fly around or how ships would navigate around. But, its really odd that the UN flag would take up the exact same composition or damn close to the flat earth model Yeah, the UN flag is a flat earth map. You can look at it and it's not a ball earth. It's a flat Earth and the bullseye you're talking about that's over it if you count the number of holes they've got there in the bulls eye there are exactly 33

19:13 So what they've got is a flat Earth divided into 33 sections. And I'm sure you're aware that 33 is significant occult number, especially among the Freemasons who are the ones in charge of this whole deception as I said from all the way back to Pythagoras, the first Freemason who thought up this ball-Earth theory through Copernicus and Galileo and Newton right up to today, Neil deGrasse Tyson etc. So the Freemasons in the UN and the Freemasons in NASA these are people who are doing this and they put their symbology right out there by having the UN flag be a flat earth divided into 33 sections right on our face

19:57 You know, meanwhile they laugh about the flat earth. It's got to be the most ridiculed position ever and you gotta think there is a reason for that Why is the concept of being a flat earther so ridiculed? I have a Flat Earth comedy special I made and you can see Obama saying over and over again The Flat Earth, ridiculing them making jokes about them in his speeches And I mean, these aren't just off-the-cuff remarks. These are things that are being written into his speeches so why are they doing this? Why are they making sure that people know the flat earth is something to be ridiculed?

20:38 I agree with you on that. I thought that was pretty hair-raising because typical people have to assume that the model of the earth is so rock solid, that the flat earth idea is so far past that it isn't even on the radar. It shouldn't even be worth mentioning considering conventional science It is rather odd that that is Obama's go-to. Like he's talking about how he wants to create progress and he's like, you know we can't have every debate You know We don't even...we don't have time for the flat earth society and everybody cheers like yeah We don't need to have that fundamental of a debate And it just struck me as kind of spooky Yeah definitely

21:21 So you've mentioned these masons, Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo, Newton all the way up to Armstrong Aldrin and Neil deGrasse Tyson. If they're holding this secret this would be the biggest secret possible so are you putting Freemasons at the very top layer of this power pyramid? No Freemasons seem to be the foot soldiers who do all the dirty work, but they're definitely part of a grander scheme involving the Vatican and Jesuits and world royalty and other secret societies. So there's definitely a big network

22:02 I don't know. I think people like to kind of debate semantics about the tippy-top of the capstone, of the capstone as the pyramid and I don't know that there even is such a thing or if we would ever get to it from the outside but i think It's definitely, you know, world royalty. The Vatican the Freemasons and the whole secret society network of Bohemia Grove and Skull & Bones and all these other organizations they're all interlinked in some ways through the whole corporate banking military industrial structure You know, the thing is pretty well interwoven Every country is a tax farm There's nowhere on earth that you can go to get away from paying taxes and obeying government laws

22:48 They make it sound like America and Russia are sworn enemies, or North Korea or Iran. They're always giving us boogie men but the real boogie man are all the governments and people who work for governments they're all mafia organizations in a sense that they couldn't exist and wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the violence and coercion they use to steal tax money from their populations whether it's a democracy, socialism, communism fascism every ism involves taxation forced stealing money from the population to fund the bureaucracy that continues stealing money and writing laws and imprisoning the population and then making more money off of imprisoning the populations they do in America with private prisons and profiting off the inmates labor and whatnot

23:43 So they've got a big profit margin going here for this scheme and it's really well interconnected. And to debate about the tippy top all the time as many conspiracists like to do, I think it is more important just see that this is a huge network and encapsulates literally everything that the conspiracy encyclopedia, you know has. Yeah great points man I don't think anyone would disagree with that here You talked about Antarctica of course being and people going there and getting turned away at gunpoint But what about say the early explorers? Do we get any indication that The composition is the way you've described from the early explorers who tried to get down there or tried to sail around Antarctica Or anything like that

24:31 Yeah, the early sailors that went to the Antarctic like James Clark and Captain Cook they spent years trying to find an inlet into the Antarctic ice. On the ball model it's supposed to be only about 12 000 miles around the Antarctic ice continent but on the flat earth map it would be much bigger than that And in reality, when you sail around it as I said takes three or four years and they were they weren't going in a straight line but they were chartering 50 or 60 thousand miles around. As they were trying to find an inlet into the ice wall never able able to find one.

25:11 Yeah, and you also have... And this is another quote that I pulled off your site. A guy named William Carpenter he says Yes But we can circumnavigate the south easily enough is often said by those who don't know The British ship Challenger recently completed the circuit of the southern region indirectly to be sure but she was three years about it and traversed nearly 69 thousand miles a stretch long enough to have taken her six times around the globeular hypothesis Which is interesting because you can then visualize someone trying to get around this island they have in their head, this big island of ice. This big continent of ice. This idea they have in their head and they're trying to get around it by just going the same direction and if you picture it in the flat earth model You can visualize how they would just be bumping into the edge or

26:01 all the way around until they got back to kind of their starting point and then they'd go back up north and be like where they were. And, to them they think they went around a big continent but they did exactly the opposite on the inside of a giant edge. And I thought that quote was pretty interesting. Yeah, another thing those early explorers found is that they were always outside of their reckoning every day as far as how far they should have traveled on their maps so there were an average 12 to 16 miles sometimes as much as 29 miles out of reckoning

26:37 Lieutenant Charles Wilkes, commander of the United States Navy Exploration Expedition to the Antarctic in 1838. He spent almost four years going around and he was writing in his journal how every day he was sometimes up to 20 miles and less than 18 hours out of reckoning And so they always have to chalk it up to water currents or some sort of thing like this But they're consistently out of their reckoning because the flat earth, of course is much bigger in the southern so-called hemisphere than the ball earth would be. So the maps that they're using are all assuming the ball Earth. They're flat maps by the way. It's called plane sailing as it is the most common used navigation method which

27:25 done assuming the water is a plane as it actually is. The natural physics of water proves that all the surface of water on earth is a plane, by the way because as you know uh...water will always find and maintain its own level so if it's dammed up and then released it will rapidly rush off in all directions until it remains level yet they say that we're on a big ball here and the oceans are all convex somehow you know, held on to the earth through the magical force of gravity. Yet we can see with our eyes and we know through physics that water maintains and always is level." Yeah that's a compelling point! And you did bring up earlier that the horizon always looks flat...and I think most people would say well that's perspective issue, that would be the argument—the typical argument—but

28:17 If you haven't seen it, people should look at it. You're right about the idea that there's people who have attached cameras to balloons just independent people who've attached a Hi-Def camera to a balloon sent it up as high as they possibly could just to get that footage because it is interesting to do and you are right! As far high as it goes on any of these videos that I've seen I'm a little surprised that you never see a curvature even thousands of feet up. You don't see that curvature It's uh, it's a little odd you'd expect to see it Yeah though sometimes you do see curvature and it's because using a wide-angle lens right for instance on the Red Bull dives that Felix Baumgartner did that everybody has seen

29:03 If you notice, the outside cameras are clearly wide-angle lens and then there's an inside cockpit camera that isn't. And as you're watching it from the outside cameras, you'll notice that the supposed curvature of the baller starts really early on just...just as he is lifting off. The exact same curvature stays exactly the same all the way up to the point where he is going to jump So the curve is the same, but his altitude has risen by many many miles. The reason the curve is the same of course because it's a wide angle lens effect It's not actually that they curve up the horizon just seems that way right and as proven by the inside camera Which as the door opens you can see the horizon out?

29:46 out that inside camera it is, it has risen to the eye of the camera as I said on a ball earth you wouldn't open that uh... camera and have the horizon right at eye level in front of you no matter how big the ball was. That effect can only happen on a flat plane and you can see in that dive shot with the um... inside-camera the horizon is completely flat. Then it goes to the outside and you've got a huge curve, but when you're looking at some of the amateur balloon footage some of its lens corrected and it's completely flat and others like the GoPro stuff the horizon will fluctuate as the camera spins until the horizon will go convex and concave but whenever it's still uh... it will level off that completely levelled then you can see that the convex and concave

30:39 The images are just a lens effect. It's obviously not the horizon shifting every two seconds as the camera jumps and when it is still you can see all the way up totally flat. I have a GoPro so i'm very familiar with that fisheye lens which, yeah that's not going to be reliable for what we're trying to look at And another thing about that guy who does the jump from the upper atmosphere, when he lands he does a Masonic hand symbol. So very well could just be another pawn in the game to create the illusion I thought that was pretty interesting let's see... Well another big issue people are going have is we're told

31:23 Tens of thousands of satellites orbiting the earth for GPS systems cell phones military radar navigational equipment How do we rectify that? Yeah, well they also say that there's an international space station out there And there's a Hubble telescope floating out. They're taking wonderful CGI Photoshop pictures that they send us back with their amazing 400 mile outer space internet connection to the hubble space telescope and now the internet, the Internet Space Connection has gone to over a million miles with the new Rosetta mission. Have you seen that one? The CGI Photoshop pictures from that are just wonderful and well worth the billions of dollars we're spending to get them. Yeah so the illusion is but there's a space station and satellites and telescopes just floating out there in infinite space

32:16 But you and I know that no matter how high you go, You come right back down. Whatever goes up must come down The illusion is that at some point if you go high enough High enough this gravity they claim exists That pulls you back down to the earth Suddenly just...You pop out of it And into the vacuum of space Now, the vacuum of space can't exist because it's connected to the non-vacuum of the atmosphere in Earth and all the other supposed planets that exist. So a vacuum must be a closed system but they claim space is a vacuum and space is an open system so it's philosophically impossible for their...for space to BE a vacuum And the way that they fool us into thinking this actually is plausible is threefold

33:05 The first way they do it is in zero-g planes, which are Boeing 737s that do parabolic maneuvers that have a free fall illusion...free fall effect rather that happens for about a minute where you can be floating in these planes. And that's how they get this outer space look like your floating in outer space. The second way is through wires harnesses and green screen for the longer shots and the ISS for instance they do that And the third way, for like the outside shots they do are in pools that are actually underwater. And this is confirmed by the fact that there's bubbles rising in the pool and a lot of their shots and people on YouTube have dissected a lot at the ISS another supposed space footage and all the space bubbles that are coming out of their helmets some people even wearing scuba gear They found that as well so that they fake these

34:02 zero-g illusions by being in water, by being in zero g planes and by being in harnesses in front of a green screen. And that makes us think that it's possible that out there in space you could just be kind of floating around like they show us in the movies but as far as we'll ever know... As far as you or I would ever know We go as high as we can on a plane or balloon or rocket and we come right back down. Even the rockets they send up, if you're honest about it you'll notice that they don't go straight up all their rockets start a parabolic curve they start to arc over and the ones they claim are successful are the ones that go out of view before uh... they come all the way back down And if anybody asks why do always curve over like that? They just say that they're going around the curvature of the ball earth and will reach escape velocity soon at some point they'll just pop

34:55 right out of the gravity and then they'll be floating, which is another problem because if you were in a vacuum and you were using rocket thrusters or anything to thrust yourself forward. You wouldn't go forward in any direction that you wanted to. You'd just spin wildly out of control like a gyroscope at 360 degrees three dimensions spinning wildly...You don't go anywhere that way so the whole idea of space travel's big joke it's all science fiction Yeah, the other thing I thought was really compelling about the satellites is you talk about just go on Google and do an image search for satellites.

35:33 A lot of the stuff you see is going to look pretty archaic considering modern technology because they've been using the same model for so long. But almost everything, well if this model is to be true it would have to be everything but everything you see looks CGI or looks like a little computer graphic of a satellite where are the pictures of Earth with 20,000 satellites orbiting it. If we have an International Space Station can't you get a photograph that has all these little dots that should look like lice all around the Earth's outer atmosphere? That is one issue but also the temperature they tell us the thermosphere is 2000 degrees Celsius what metal is going to be able to withstand that kind of heat what computer can survive in that environment

36:21 Yeah, that's right. Those are two more good points for why satellites... Well we shouldn't just assume that these things exist just because people say they do You know if you want to be scientific and you want to be a real skeptic or you wanna be a critical thinker then you should only accept things that you can verify with your senses and with evidence yourself So, you know people think it's crazy to believe that satellites don't exist But really, it's crazy to believe that satellites do exist when you have no evidence and can never verify it for yourself. Just like these space programs and space telescopes and all these other things that we will never confirm as far as we know if I go up on a plane and jump out, I'm coming back to Earth doesn't matter how high I go, I'm not going to start floating at some point like they claim happens...and has to happen

37:10 if there are satellites out there. But as you said, if you look at the pictures of satellites and the pictures that these satellites are supposedly taking they're all CGI! The satellite itself is fake. The pictures of the earth look like cartoons They claim almost all of them are composites, which is their word. They say that they receive ribbons of imagery from satellites which is their term they use to tell us why we don't just get a friggin photograph so they say we get ribbons of imagery and then they have to splice the ribbons of imagery together in Photoshop's. They even admit NASA

37:50 Workers themselves on radio have admitted that they have to use Photoshop On the satellite images. It's just how the data is received and so you know, you know That's how it is man Yeah So I find this theory really interesting far more interesting than I thought it would be to be honest And I guess if we were uh, if this was a hundred years ago, I would be a lot more Convincible than I am today just because I can't rectify the things like GPS, like latitude and latitude navigation. The idea that there's pilots flying around the planet That there's a lot of sky watchers that look up at the sky and they'll see what they say are stars but also see dots that slowly move across

38:36 the sky And I have a hard time rectifying some of that stuff. What about, say, longitude and latitude navigation? How are we having whole industries of pilots flying around and no one's really catching on?" Yeah! Here is the good question... Why don't pilots catch on to this fact If the Earth was truly a sphere, 25000 miles in circumference, curving 8 inches per mile squared. A pilot who wanted to simply maintain their altitude at a typical cruising speed of 500 mph would have to constantly dip their nose downwards and descend 2777 feet over half-a-mile every minute

39:35 Otherwise, without this compensation in an hour's time the pilot would find themselves 166,666 feet 31.5 miles higher than expected You'd just end up flying off into outer space if you weren't constantly dipping your nose down to fly around the ball And so like I said, at the typical cruising speed of most planes you'd have to be descending half a mile every single minute. And this never happens with talk-to pilots once you get to your cruising altitude the artificial horizon maintains level it don't touch the controls just keeps on going

40:11 And so I mean, the reason pilots don't figure it out...I'm sure some pilots figure it out and then who are they going to tell? But I mean that they're just like everyone else. Everyone else is so brainwashed that they don't think of it and if they do, I've even heard some explanations. They claim that you know, they said the atmosphere...they say the Earth is spinning over a thousand miles per hour and that the atmosphere is also dragged along with it So then if some pilot says, hey why don't I have to course correct downwards all the time? Their explanation is that this atmosphere that's being magically dragged with the spinning ball earth also magically course corrects planes so they stay at exactly the same altitude because they're in that atmosphere. That magical atmosphere that helps you curve around the ball earth man!

41:00 They've got explanations for everything. Mm-hmm and like we're told that the earth is spinning at a thousand miles per hour Which is awfully fast But yet, let's say a helicopter cannot just hover in the air for 12 hours. Start in St Louis Missouri and hover for 12 hours and land in China with the earth spinning below it? And that is what I would first think would be the situation but then we're told because were in this sphere it all moves relative to itself and you don't notice those changes See, I'm not a physicist. I'm not a pilot and so it's hard for me to really play devil's advocate for their position But I think about if you're in a speeding car going 90 miles an hour down the highway You can play catch with the passenger And it feels like you're stationary or like if an ant is crawling around on your dashboard Whether it's going with the grain of the car or what or against It doesn't really notice that effect So it's like

42:03 You know, I guess i would think that the atmosphere would have the same effect as the encapsulation of that vehicle moving at a fast speed. To the people inside it, they don't notice and I guess that's the argument but do you find flaws with that argument? Yeah because once again its explaining away your common sense and your experience which is that you're not moving whatsoever so they say yes you are moving silly but you're just moving in such constant velocity that you don't notice whatsoever Now, even if you're in the best Rolls Royce over the best car smoothly going and you close your eyes I can still tell that moving. And that's not going a thousand miles per hour That's just going 50 or whatever we're talking about here Even in an elevator just an elevator going up I can feel that I have a really sensitive stomach so I mean I can tell then I get sick If you know from

42:57 doing some sort of motion that anything on par with what the earth is supposedly doing and so isn't that weird that just because it's a perfect constant velocity, that my stomachs able to handle that but just uh... a little bit about elevator malfunctioning and then I'm ready to you know So these things don't make any sense. They just want to explain away your common sense with these kind of arguments and like you said, if you were in a helicopter you should be able to just go up wait for the ball earth to spin underneath you and land at your destination but of course the atmosphere spins with the ball earth so that doesn't happen but

43:34 We can prove that's not the case either because now we have airplanes which you can go easterly or westerly and if the earth and the atmosphere are spinning a thousand miles per hour east all the time as they say, then a westbound plane should be Well, an eastbound plane should never reach its destination. If it was going 500 miles per hour and the Earth is spinning... And the atmosphere's spinning a thousand miles your destination should come up behind you before you ever reach it right? And then destinations going the opposite way are gonna take far far longer than they do You can check flight times and they're always within

44:15 half hour, hour a couple hours with no matter what direction you're going to or from but if the earth was actually spinning at the rate that they say it was flight times would be totally different. It makes sense but yet I've been taught from an early age not to trust myself because they've got it on lock so I just assume that the physics all kind of works out But I know there are people who go to school for physics, you know they study it for years and years. And it's just odd that none of them ever catch on to it that I guess that guys like Newton created this entire fake science around a fake model and yet all the math checks out... That's a little hard for me to rectify

44:55 uh... they're counting on that that's why they've got all these huge formulas and calculations for gravity in what not but based on nothing so i think that our weight for the baller all based on their gravity calculations and you can we could pdf wikipedia it annual fee pages of you know mathematic language that makes no sense to ninety nine point nine percent of the population but apparently the math works out so it's real right So it's just another way, just like the CGI images or whatever. Some people are fooled by the images some people are fooled by the math some people are fooled by you know this and that they've got many different ways to get us in their grips like you said there The whole education system is teaching us

45:41 Not to believe our senses like the model they show the baller it's model with a crust on the outside and the outer mantle And the inner mantle in the outer core and the inner core guess what? They've only ever dug eight miles down into the crust so they don't even know what's beneath Beneath that took them almost 30 years to get there and they couldn't get any further in the Russian Cola Ultra deep it's called so it's all speculation as to these these layers of the baller if they claim exist, and it's the inner layer of molten magnetic core whatever. They claim creates the

46:18 the magnetism of the Earth. This is another funny thing, they claim that the core that we've never gotten to so it can't be confirmed existed causes a magnetic effect on the ball Earth So at one point on top of the ball is a pole and at the exact opposite point on the ball is an opposite magnetic pole But this doesn't exist anywhere in nature. You can't find a sphere and at one point on the magnetic sphere it will cause another magnetic sphere to stick to it, and that little point,

46:56 and then push away from the opposite point. It doesn't exist like that, only bar magnets can do that What do exists are ring magnets and those are shaped just like the flat earth model where the pole is in the middle And then the opposite pole is actually every point along the circumference So, the magnetic explanation which a lot of people will bring up. How does magnetism work if we're on flat earth? You know the accepted model is that it's this spinning molten magnet stuff in the core that creates this kind of north self ball magnet which doesn't actually exist anywhere in nature yet the ring magnet which is...it's in loudspeakers and other things

47:41 That's the flat earth model and that actually does exist. So that is an actual magnet instead of an imaginary magnet like they claim exists, and we'll actually admit that I don't know what is under the flat earth. We've only gone 8 miles down and haven't gotten to the bottom of the Pacific All I know is as far as we can tell, the water is completely flat and the land is flat other than hills, valleys and mountains over a long period of space. There's no convex or concave curvature it...it's totally flat Yeah, and I guess you could say science is designed exactly how economics and taxes are designed. The increasing complexity makes it so the average individual just has to trust the experts. You can follow it to a certain point but then most people say well that's a little bit beyond me but there's experts out there they know what they're doing um...I'm sure that this fractional reserve banking system this debt-based system of rule is just fine

48:43 I'm sure the taxes I am paying are totally fair, they've got the code and big book. To what degree? This is a really far out degree. That's right, yeah I mean our eyes and experience tell us the earth is flat and motionless everything in the sky revolves around us but when we cease to believe our own eyes and experience We have to prostrate ourselves at the feet of these very pseudo scientists who are blinding us treat them as experts astronomical priests who have special knowledge only they can access like the Hubble telescope

49:25 So by brainwashing us of something so gigantic and fundamental, it actually makes every other kind of lesser indoctrination a piece of cake. Earth being the flat fixed center of the universe around which everything in the heavens revolves gives special importance and significance not only to Earth but to us humans, the most intelligent among the intelligent designers' designs By turning Earth into a spinning ball thrown around the sun and shot through infinite space from a godless Big Bang, they turn humanity into a random meaningless purposeless accident of a blind dumb universe. So it's like trauma-based mind control beating the divinity out of us with their mental manipulations." People are always asking why do they do this? I mean this is

50:10 I mean, other than the obvious profit margin motive. NASA being the biggest black budget black hole in existence sucking in over 30 billion dollars taxpayer money for the fake moon landings alone nowadays hundreds of billions of dollars and not just NASA but RASA and all the other fake space organizations around the world giving CGI images for hundreds of billions of dollars So this modern atheist, big-bang heliocentric globe earth chance evolution paradigm spiritually controls humanity by removing God or any sort of intelligent design and replaces purposeful divine creation with haphazard random cosmic coincidence.

50:51 And so by removing Earth from the motionless center of the universe, these masons have moved us physically and metaphysically from a place of supreme importance to one of complete nihilistic indifference. If the earth is the center of the universe then the ideas of God creation and purpose for human existence are resplendent But if the Earth is just one of billions of planets revolving around billions of stars and billions of galaxies, then the ideas of God-creation and a specific purpose for Earth and human existence become highly implausible. So by surreptitiously indoctrinating us into their scientific materialist sun worship not only do we lose faith in anything beyond the material but gain absolute faith in materiality, superficiality, status, selfishness, hedonism, consumerism

51:38 If there's no God and everyone is just an accident, then all that really matters is me-me-me. So they've turned Madonna the mother of God into a material girl living in a material world Their rich powerful corporations with their slick Sun cult logos sell us idols to worship slowly taking over the world while we tacitly believe they're science vote for their politicians buy their products listen to their music watch their movies all sacrificing our souls at the altar of materials Touche, my man. It's a big deception I'd say it is the biggest cover-up and conspiracy in history We've been completely deluded for 500 years Not everybody but nowadays it's pretty well advanced Most of the flat earth material you'll find still in existence from the 1800s And there was quite a debate going on then So there are still quite a few people unconvinced

52:32 of the ball, spinning ball theory back then but nowadays with NASA and all the photo and videos that they give us people don't really look too much further for evidence as they assume that's all real. Right obviously it is a huge can of worms and there are so many things... So many arguments people say well what about you know the planets? Are the planets are all fake? Yeah there's a lot of things that our science has told us that are built off of the heliocentric model that they've given us and I think that if there's any unanswered questions by the time we're done here, if people go online and take their question and they look it up on either the comment section of your website or...I was very surprised to see how many people really are questioning the heliocentric model online. I thought it would be far less but if you take the question you may have and you ask it to these so-called experts on the idea they will have an answer for you um and

53:29 I guess I would say challenge yourself to try to stump one. Challenge yourself to try and come up with something that they can't explain, and then say it's bullshit. But until then, maybe you should keep an open mind and before we do go too far into it give us a clear mental picture if you can of what you consider the true model of the Earth in the cosmos and this whole thing to be because obviously were calling in the question there are not billions of stars there are not a buncha planets in the solar system orbiting the Sun that's a huge ball of wax so what is this reality? How is its structured

54:08 So if you look up at the sky with your eyes or with a telescope, you can't tell the difference between a star and a planet. The planets were always known as wandering stars... regular stars as fixed stars for thousands of years. Nowadays they claim that planets are Earth-like spherical terra firma that you can walk on out up there in outer space, but as far as you can tell through any telescope that we have it's just a round dot of light up there in the sky all the planets and all the stars none of them can be confirmed to be some sort of

54:47 terra firma that you could land on, though in their pictures from their fake telescopes they clearly look like big ball planets that you could definitely land on as they show you with Mars and whatnot. But that can't be confirmed again with your own eyes or with a telescope that YOU COULD BUY! With anything we can see, the sun moon stars and planets are all just lights in the sky revolving around US They claim that we revolve around the sun and the moon revolves around us, and the stars are actually distant suns trillions upon trillions miles away. Now this wasn't always that way they've actually been reverse engineering these explanations as they go along because geocentric flat earthers throughout the centuries have come up with good objections such as Tycho Brahe's objection that if the earth is a ball spinning around the Sun

55:38 in six months time we should be 200 million miles on the other side of the sun. So, a parallax perspective when you look through a telescope in your backyard you can prove this... You should see some difference in the stars after 200 million miles of supposed orbit but you can't see any whatsoever. So what people have, what heliocentrists have been saying since then is that the stars are actually... The nearest star is 25 trillion miles away 4.2 light years they came up with a sci-fi term to make it seem plausible It's light years away so far away that even after 200 million miles You can't see an inch of difference in your backyard through a telescope after six months of supposed orbital motion

56:26 The reason that they say the ball earth is tilted on its vertical axis 23.5 degrees is because you can see Polaris, the North Pole star all the way to 23.5 degrees south latitude and if the earth was a ball You couldn't see that because you'd be staring through the ball to look up at that star You can see it on the because the Earth is flat, of course. But you can't see all the stars at any one place from the Earth because of the law of perspective. That's why the Sun seems to rise and fall in the sky every day as well but it's actually not rising or falling anywhere. The Sun and the Moon maintain their altitude and they revolve circles around a flat earth

57:11 So we're stationary. The sun and the moon are actually the same size just as they appear, there's another why... They claim that the sun is 400 times bigger and 400 times further away than the moon And that's why they just appear the same size from our perspective but they're not But I mean again with your own eyes you can see when they eclipse they are the same size And the fact that they do eclipse is not quite a coincidence to happen on a Big Bang accident universe, uh...that everything is just spinning around in space randomly. How come there's these two brilliant lights in the sky that pass each other and they're perfectly opposite? Did you know this-the sun's light it's very different than the moon's light too? They claim the moon

57:58 The moon's light comes from the sun, it is reflected off of the sun. But if you collect the moon's light it is actually cold whereas if you collect sunlight, of course its hot and you can burn things. The sunlight will preserve certain things dry out meats and things to eat but if you leave meats out in the moonlight they spoil If you're in the shade, in the sunlight, the temperature is going to be less. But if you're in the shade and moonlight, it's more. The moonlight is cold. I've never noticed that! I'm gonna try that out! Yeah... The combustion of a bonfire is increased by moonlight and decreased by sunlight. There are a lot of things that prove that the sun and moon are actually their own lights

58:44 The moon is not a big ball up there in space that you can land masons on, as they claim. It's just the light of flat round disk and you can even see through the moon during waxing and waning cycles. The Royal Astronomical Society even, people who are part of this manipulation, they've recorded several times that you could see stars and planets through the moon and the astronomers that are seeing it, they're always flabbergasted about how this is possible. But it's because the moon isn't not physical, it's not densely physical in the way that they claim – it's just a light so you can see through it

59:20 Just like the planets, the planets as well are just lights. That's why Pluto is not a planet anymore because the light from it just rapidly diminished one day and they couldn't continue fooling all of the amateur astronomers that Pluto is a planet because starlight from it just diminished by 50%. I think that moon thing is pretty compelling. I am going to tonight see if that's true, i've never noticed that effect and never looked for that effect but to think that if I get into the shade of the moon and at the moon is giving off its own light...I mean that is pretty radically different and I like those kind of challenges so I'm going to try to see how that works but

1:00:01 I'm surprised more people haven't stumbled upon that. If the moon is giving off a cold light, we just assume it's the absence of sunlight but to shade yourself from that and be warmer... Interesting indeed! I don't know man, this is about as far out as it gets and it's super awesome. So you know thanks for being here we covered so much ground I think we made a pretty good complete case for at least the proponents of the flat earth I think they would be proud of the interview We did today But if there are still skeptics out there that are resistant to this idea Is there anything else before we wrap this up that we should mention as icing on the flat earth cake or anything?

1:00:44 Yeah, I recommend everybody look into it. Do your own research and check out my website atlanticconspiracy.com My book and documentary is free on YouTube The Flat Earth Conspiracy And i've just restarted the International Flat Earth Research Society You can come see some of the message board stuff we're doing over there at ifers.boards.net Perfect man, and I did want to mention also real quick for people who are gonna go look this stuff up You might want to avoid the Flat Earth Society because they seem to be controlled opposition you have a post about that how the Flat Earth Society the official group They purposely sound crazy. They purposely don't answer things correctly And when you trace back some of the people who are involved they are Masons as well so it seems like They might have this group set up to look stupid

1:01:38 Maybe avoid that. Exactly. The Flat Earth Society was set up after the International Flat Earth Research Society was set up as the controlled opposition to bring people away from that society Charles K Johnson who ran that society, he had his house burned down and all of this flat earth material was burnt in a fire and he claimed on his dying day it was done by NASA agent who also tried to murder him And so yeah, the Flat Earth Society what they do is they mix a bunch of false flat earth arguments in so that people who are considering the flat earth and trying to research it will instantly come upon the Flat Earth Society material because its at the top of all search engines.

1:02:24 And they'll have false arguments like instead of saying that gravity doesn't exist as we got into a little bit, they'll say gravity exists but it's explained by the flat Earth disc constantly rising up 9.8 meters per second and so you can imagine instead of you falling, the flat Earth is rising up and that's what happened Again, this is a silly argument. If that was the case then sustained flight would be impossible and the flat earths would be rising up into planes and helicopters and stuff crashing into them So they present an easily refutable Argument like this And then well-meaning researchers trying to look into the flat earth find their frequently asked questions as these

1:03:11 bad answers and then they just think, oh well this is ridiculous. And they also make the whole thing into this big satire and they address it cynically so if you read some of their threads they don't keep a serious research kind of attitude there always off-the-cuff trying to be witty and funny all the time so that the whole thing it's just made into a mockery. They even made on mockumentary called In Search Of The Edge and they'd show it to people in public schools, they'd show it to kids and then afterwards they ask them if they believed it. And then if the kids believed that they didn't give these worksheets showing why uh...it was wrong and that the earth definitely isn't flat and here's why and then they start a big baller unit based on it so at the Flatter Society has been involved in this kind of fake flat earth

1:04:02 Arguments and documentaries and everything from there yeah from the get-go up until today So yeah, so stay are clear of the flat earth society and come on over to the International Flat Earth Research Society Yeah Just like Alex Jones makes conspiracy theorists seem crazy. They have an organization set up to make flatter through seem crazy So it's definitely worth a mention because I didn't want people to go there And then get turned off like you said it's usually the first thing they see so Atlantean conspiracy calm Check out Eric's awesome YouTube page. It's got tons of this stuff that has made me question a lot of things I thought I knew, but thanks so much man you really have changed my impression of flat earthers even if I might not have become one myself quite yet overnight. I love the fringe ideas like this. I just didn't think there was a real argument there and now I think there could be. So keep doing what you do and take care yourself out there man! Thanks dude appreciate it good interview

1:04:55 Woop, there it is good people. I hope you think we handled that well and maybe you think it's still a little ridiculous and thats totally fine but come to the table with legitimate questions serious problems with it or evidence that... We do live on a round planet And like I said in the beginning I've had several Flat Earthers requested as guests will try to stump the next one I really can't believe I did a Flat Earth show, but I am glad we did. You know if you missed the plus portion of course we get deeper with Eric into some of these arguments Hollywood's role in shaping our spatial perceptions The evidence and time-lapse photography of the stars The story of Matthew Boylan an ex NASA hyper realist artist who worked for NASA CGI division And is now whistleblower for the flat earth

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1:08:25 But there we have it for today. I think Eric made a great case and this is a good example of how a show should go on something that i'm still on the fence about, respectful questions thoughtful answers...I wish Jan Irving could've been so decent at the first sign of disagreement! On this flat earth thing though, I just can't get around the idea that there's no real outer space. I am okay with us not being able to get there and UFOs or crafts from another species that lives inside the Earth. But NASA and modern astronomers elaborate so much on nebulas, galaxies and earth-like planets with so much detail about the various stars and moons of these planets

1:09:01 I mean, why go there? Why go into such detail. Why even send a rover to Mars just keep telling us you can't! I have a hard time accepting that there's no space for some of those reasons... Why make the lie so so SO complex when you could get caught on any of those details but over time maybe I'll change my mind on that too People want me to do a show on the concave Earth theory and we can do that I don't have to buy every idea We explore But I'm gonna have the same issue with that one. I just have a hard time believing everything about space is a lie Not that it isn't possible Now to close this out is a great song by my man Ralph Buckley who sent me this earlier in the year and I think It's very appropriate for the times THC is going through So, I've done my part in The Great Cosmic Play this week Your move Guardians of The Great Magnetic Mountain Of Middle-Earth Your Frickin' Move Don't you think its sad To see all the sky Is falling down

1:09:57 It's such a drag to know your king has broke his crown He fell off the wall, sweetly called The King is dead Long live the King They brought him out and he wept for bad But you're so illuminating Intellectually fascinating Can't ya see it all fading? And I'm not sure It's not a space, yeah it's a spaceship I'm going up on down around in the aftermath Inside the moon and the manufactured Tesla cars Another exercise So close your eyes and count to ten Time for your last rites so say goodnight To your next akin

1:11:11 But you're so illuminating, intellectually masturbating. Can't you see it's all fading now? And I'm not sure the moon is on a spaceship. Yeah it's a space... On my eternal soul load the ball don't be a mood

1:11:51 Don't you worry about him when he stole your pin, he fucked the pooch You know it's not so bad to see the sky falling down It's such a drag to live your life wearing a crown But you're all so illuminating Intellectually masturbating but can't you see it's all fake? And I'm not so sure is on a spaceship yeah it's a space