Dr. Zach Bush | Unseen Factors Of True Health, System Failure, & Radical Embodiment

00:06 Well, it is the end of the world as we know it, but I feel fine. From the Sunshine State, I'm Greg Carlwood, and Lord knows it's easy to look around and see conspiracy and corruption in nearly everything, with a world run by a privileged parasite class and the bloodline puppet masters of the power pyramid slowly squeezing the common class, infecting them with weaponized medicine, chemically coated foods, 5G fields, and a freshly developed AI control grid. And yet, for all our fist-waving, worry and concern, stress, and existential anxiety, the empire marches on. And at a certain point, I find myself almost jealous of the ignorant. Though there is a third path in focusing our attention inward, reprioritizing what we give attention to, and getting in right relation with nature ourselves on a personal scale, despite everything done on a macro scale to make that harder.

00:57 Well, one of the best at delivering the mental medicine for making these changes is the great Dr. Zach Bush. Not only is he in the 1% of doctors, being triple board certified in internal medicine, endocrinology, and metabolism, as well as hospice care, but his depth of knowledge allows him to challenge Western medicine, germ theory, and food systems with a rare level of authority. He's done a lot of things, and among them is that he developed a soil-derived gut health supplement called Ion, or intelligence of nature, derived from humic extract from ancient soil. He also founded Farmer's Footprint, a nonprofit coalition dedicated to awakening people to the impacts of chemical farming and promoting regenerative agricultural practices instead.

01:40 And he's done so much more that we will get into, including being a key organizer in this origin event, cradle of humankind in South Africa, October 17th, where millions worldwide will synchronize into a single breath for a planetary prayer led by Indigenous elders across 15 nations. Well, I am excited to see the error in my ways in many ways. So let's do it. The interconnectedness systems educator maestro of the microbiome and confirmed long hugger, Dr. Zach Bush. Welcome to the higher side. Greg, that was the most creative intro I've ever had. So thank you for that. I appreciate that. Creative is one way to say it. Yeah, you got to get in the attention economy.

02:22 You don't have long to grab them. So I try, but this is truly an honor. And I kind of tried to cover in that intro the evolution of this show over the last 15 years, where I still do call it a conspiracy show, but maybe not in the conventional sense. It's become way less about what's going on out there outside of our control and more about this idea that some of the biggest deceptions and maybe educational failures have been around understanding our place in this ecosystem, true health, and this wedge between us and our core identity. You think that's fair to say? That sounds like a fair assessment of our epoch that we're just completing here.

03:03 And I think that what you were referring to there is kind of spaces that have been occupied by story or by the lack of story, perhaps hidden content, is really indicative to a lack of presence. We aren't filling the space that humans are capable of filling. And so this allows power to be concentrated, power to move in unseen realms. When we occupy the human experience fully, there won't be space for this stuff. And so I feel like that's really the excitement that I have is that every time we see a new hidden agenda or hidden content or half-truths being presented as truth, it is identifying a space that's begging to be occupied by embodied humans.

03:57 And we are coming to the end of an abstract era in which we created this artificial reality of abstraction in nearly every human system from economies to healthcare to food systems to our very sense of self. And so we've become abstract in our own self-identity. We define ourselves by external roles rather than experiencing the presence of being a soul quantum entangled with a human body for this finite experience of a life. And so everything you're pointing to there is actually, I think, underlining the optimism that you're also projecting in your statements here is that there's opportunity lying here.

04:36 And when we start to see the symptoms or the wound as the medicine or the compass towards these places that are ready to be occupied by embodied people, we get to fear these vacant spaces less. We get to fear the experience of something against us transmuted into an opportunity transmuted transmuted into. into a sense of empowerment. Yes, I like that. And when you say fully embodied humans wouldn't leave space for that stuff, I do agree, though. I know there'll be people in the audience that, you know, they think that sounds great, but it's like when you look at the problems, so many of them are carried out by, let's say, the robber baron class or just like a couple hundred people.

05:22 The reason we don't have hemp textiles and instead have textiles that they destroy old growth forests for is because a couple of guys made a bad investment in the wrong thing, or, you know, the many fuels that we could use instead of oil and all this kind of stuff. But the reality is, we do participate in it. We do buy that stuff. So if we were fully embodied humans who wouldn't do that, the profits would dry up, the system would dry up. So I understand the attitude of like, it's really the 1% of the 1% who institute these systems, foist these systems on us, but it is kind of a contract. Like you tacitly participate, which is allowing this stuff to continue.

06:05 And the sad part is you can't control everybody else. So like we might wake up, the audience might wake up, but we live amongst a bunch of people. And it's like you can lead a horse to water, you can't make him drink. So that also becomes a sad thing. It's like a lot of these systems might continue just because of the nature of how many people aren't awake and aware, but I guess you just got to control what you can control. Well, there's some super good news here in that any system that starts to build itself outside of natural law will self-destroy. And so there's nothing that can persist outside of the laws of nature. And so when we build abstract systems that are isolated from systems of nature, natural law, et cetera, we can be confident that they will be self-limiting.

06:55 And so we can gnash our teeth and cling to each other as if there's some sort of inevitability of the takeover of the open AIs and the anthropics and space Xs of the world. Or we can realize, oh, they are actually a Ponzi scheme based on a narrative that humans are not the most powerful technology on the planet. They're built, they're exploiting our own sense of disempowerment, our own sense of dependence on people that are smarter than us or bigger businesses than us. And for a disempowered humanity, we actually find relief in thinking, oh, thank goodness there's billionaires.

07:40 Thank goodness there's somebody who can build trillion-dollar companies that will fly us to Mars someday. Like it feels like a relief somehow when we're in a state of failed embodiment where we don't realize what's going on. But the beauty is that even AI can see the end of its own existence already. And so this recent book that I just released called Biological Elegance is a conversation with AI that runs through 33 aspects of our current conditions from the authorities to cryptocurrencies, from Western medicine to biohacking, from conscious communities to

08:20 the underbelly of sex trafficking and everything else. From light to dark, dark to light, you find out everything is being seen very clearly in the large language models as very predictable geometries of abstraction. And so the book reveals that we are 100% confident now that we are at the end of abstraction because the terminal state of abstraction is the occurrence of AI. AI is an inevitable conclusion to a period of time in which artificial realities are built outside of the geometry of life. And so it's a really exciting book in that it identifies exactly where we are in the arc of machine-like technology.

09:00 And it marks the beginning of this biological renaissance that's now emerging. And AI can see human behavior starting to exit the addiction to the machine-like definition of tech. And so we are starting to move past it and it can see our behavior shifting. It sees that two years ago, we were all addicted to the belief that this AI was in fact intelligent. And many of us were comfortable with the concept that maybe it would become conscious sometime. There's neither intelligence or consciousness in AI. Both concepts are impossible to achieve in a system without body, without edges, without interaction with its infinite reality.

09:44 So because it's a symbolic closed system, the large language models are inherently symbolic. There's nothing real in them. They all are written words that symbolize something in nature. nature, but they are not of nature. They don't exist within a living system. There is no metabolism. There is no repair. There's no regeneration. There's no energy production. Therefore, it's fully dependent on biologic systems. And so AI itself is a small, dependent category of technology that only seems big if humans have become so disembodied that we believe the machine-like world is our reality.

10:22 And so we don't have to fear AI becoming conscious. We need to fear a humanity that has so narrowly defined consciousness that the machines are meeting it. I love it. Cheers to that. I really like the way you think. And I've listened to so many hours of your interviews. And a lot of the time, I think you're kind of preaching to the converted just because of the nature of the shows you're on with people who are very much on this page already. And I'm kind of in the I want to believe category. Things just keep bringing me back. And a lot of times it just comes back to a health crisis where I've tried to do everything the natural way and I seem to be bottlenecked into the medical system, whether it's the birth of my two kids where my wife tried to do everything the natural way and we ended up in the hospital regardless,

11:13 or over the summer I dealt with a nasty nine millimeter kidney stone and maybe that's just dehydration. Obviously I got water here with me now, but you know, too big to pass naturally and I'm looking for the right herb or the right thing that I can take to not get stuck in three surgeries with a stint up my dick for a month at the hospital. And when that happens, I feel like a failure because I mentally am on the page. I don't want that system. I want to do everything the natural, holistic way. And yet, I don't know if there's some universal lesson being taught to me that to not be so critical of the system in emergency situations. But, you know, I hear you talk and I'm so inspired and, you know, your passion is contagious.

11:57 And it all sounds really good when I am healthy and feel good. And then something happens and I'm forced to rely on a broken system. I just wonder what do you think people should do in those times? If they have a kidney stone or a UTI or a cancer tumor, you know, there's people listening who that's going to happen to them and they are probably going to get scared into the loving arms of the broken system we have. That's okay. That's okay. There's no judgment on the system we have. There's an observation of what the system is: is that, you know, I was taught into a subconscious state of fear of death.

12:35 And I was taught into a subconscious belief that diseases are something that attack human bodies that then put us at risk for death. I was not taught that diseases are the end stage of a long-term disconnection with nature. I wasn't taught that there's 20 years of symptoms before a disease occurs that people have been trained out of feeling. And so we are trained out of the embodied state of being human, and therefore we end up with kidney stones and UTIs and everything else you mentioned all the way to cancer. And so we become disconnected from these bodies that are the most intelligent systems that nature has devised so far.

13:16 Consider the intelligence of a human body versus a robot. It's like the intelligence between a grain of sand and an elephant. Like the robot has nothing on a human being. The technological leap from robot to earthworm to human, these are like logarithmic, you know, extensions of intelligence and interconnected systems of complex geometries in the physics that then turn into biologic systems as light energy is concentrated 10,000 times brighter than the sun.

13:52 The human life is so far beyond any machine that we've ever invented, whether it be the stent in your dick or the MRI machine or whatever it is. Like these systems are so dumbed down compared to what the human body is. So when we experience these things, we don't need to have judgment on I needed XYZ at the hospital. I decided to do chemo radiation surgery. I don't have any judgment on that at all towards my patients or towards myself. But what the opportunity often that's missed is what is the lesson here?

14:31 What is this pointing to? And instead of us trying to immediately suppress the wound, suppress the pain of the kidney zone, suppress the growth of a tumor, suppress the bacteria causing the UTI, instead of going into this anti-response, if we were to take some deep hours. of silence and follow the pain, you'd find out that underneath that kidney stone was not just dehydration. There was an emotional wound there. And that emotional wound is never going to be found because you got to the hospital and the doctors never pointed you back to a cause. And they said, we can take care of this stone. We're going to do this ablation and then we're going to pee out sand for a week and everything's fine.

15:14 Chinese medicine, in contrast, for 5,000 years has been saying every time there's dysfunction and a system as complex and interrelated and self-repairing as a human body, there's a phenomenon happening that's disrupting the body's connection to its original information. And that thing that's disrupting the field is emotional storage. Emotions are abstractions of feelings. Feelings are complex biologic experiences of an electromagnetic field that moves through a column of water. You can feel nausea in your belly. You can feel pain in your foot. You can feel dizziness in the head.

15:58 You can feel warmth in the heart. You can feel tingling in your neck. You can feel all kinds of things when a feeling is fully observed. Something good happens. You can track that feeling for days through the body if you pay attention. Something negative happens. You can track that thing for a few minutes until it completely dissolves and dissipates because traumas 10 minutes ago, it's not right now. The body should be able to fully self-reorient and realize, ah, the trauma happened, repair is underway. There's no reason for my nervous system to be on edge. But we're not trained to follow the feeling.

16:34 We're trained to compartmentalize the feeling into emotions. And so as soon as a feeling begins as a large waveform moving through a column of water, we grab it and say, that's pain, that's fear, that's shame, that's guilt, that's lack of control, whatever it is. And then we compartmentalize that and put a name on it. We've now frozen the electromagnetic movement and metabolic potential of that energy that was a moment ago a feeling, and we store it in the body. And the Chinese medicine demonstrated for thousands of years that emotions don't metabolize in the body.

17:11 They have to be stored permanently. And pretty soon you've built yourself by age eight, 10 years old, you've been trained to build yourself an emotional body. The emotional body has the same physical, spatial orientation that your physical body has, but the emotional body is fully abstract. It's not actually based in your immediate reality. It is memories abstracted into emotions and now stored. And pretty soon you're living in the abstract body. Your lungs aren't there for breathing. They're there for storing unprocessed grief and sadness. Your pancreas isn't there to process your next meal with digestive enzymes. It's there to store the anger that you didn't fully metabolize yesterday.

17:55 Your kidney is storing energy and that turns into a kidney stone because there's a fear that your immediate situation at home is not safe for yourself or the children. There's some sort of maternal nest stress happening in the kidney. That kidney meridian is like there's something not safe at home. There's something out of control. Maybe it's the freaking chickens. Like what's out of control at home, you know? And so that's what would have been really beautiful if somebody had come in and said, you've got a kidney stone. Let's sit here by the bedside before we blast this thing and let's put you in contact with the reason you have A, the kidney stone and B, pain from the kidney stone. I've had patients with CT evidence and ultrasound evidence of entire kidneys calcified and they have no pain.

18:39 And so even the pain, you would think, ah, there's the stone and it's grating against my ureter. Therefore, it's causing the pain. But the evidence is that the pain is still a symptom that is more complex than the physical insulin. There's something underlying your neurologic disruption as well. And all of these things are pointing us back to when we finally release these emotional bodies and become physically embodied without the abstraction of emotion. We're going to begin to trust our feelings again. And when you feel completely each day, if you had the discipline of spending 10 minutes as you wake up on a pillow in the morning to be fully embodied and feel the whole body come back online, there's my toes.

19:20 There's the bottom of my feet. There's the plantar fascia. There's my ankles. You spend 10 minutes scanning the body in the morning and then you get up and you activate and you move that body through the world fully aware of what it's doing and what it's experiencing. When a big event occurs, you stop and let the whole body process metabolize that. Before you go to sleep at night, you lay down, you start the scan again, you do the scan. You would not get cancer because 20 years ago years earlier, you would sense the inflammation that was resulting from a quickly discovered emotion that got abstracted. And you can say, Ah, I really haven't processed the loss of my mother. I really haven't processed this or that.

20:00 And so it's this disconnect from the body that has led to these disempowered biologic experiences that we then feel like our body is even our own. We have no control over the cancer, the kidney stone, because we couldn't feel it coming. Yeah, yeah, this is where the rubber meets the road. And I am so attracted to seeing things this way kind of generally broadly. And then when I get acute examples, it's hard to do with the kidney stone thing. I definitely did think about it this way. And I had listeners who were like, you know, maybe this is unprocessed grief. I did lose two people in my life relatively soon before this happened.

20:39 But, you know, if you say it's more connected to something at home, I get that too. My, I can't get my damn address offline. Like the, you know, as a public figure, you don't want that online. And I've hired two companies that can't seem to get it off these stupid websites that find people. So yeah, I have anxiety about that. And I think that's probably it. So maybe I'll, maybe now that the kidney stone's gone, these people will do their job and get my information offline in that way. But like, I've gotten into German new medicine. And as you say, this is a thing in Chinese medicine as well. I think it's really intriguing. But like, let's say with the not the kidney stone thing, but the processing of death of a loved one. You know, maybe that manifests in different ways in different areas.

21:24 Because I've heard you use the breast cancer example. And you say that the actual foundation of this, it's really specific. And like, there's almost like a map of the body. And if you find a cancer tumor in the left breast, upper right quadrant, maybe that's an aunt who says, no matter what I do, I'm not enough. I find that like so bizarre and different from anything else I normally hear. But I'm just curious, like, where is this map? Can we get this map so that when we see things in ourselves, we might get at least a hint or a lead on where we should look in our emotional life to process something unresolved?

22:02 I mean, you can look up the Chinese medicine, you know, emotional body map and all of that. And, you know, these are old texts that don't translate real well to our English language. So, what we ended up doing was really, because we could be so much more specific and be confident that it was specific to the individual, we ended up using emotion code therapy as applied kinesiology. It's a muscle testing technique for identifying emotional patterns. And so, no matter what you were coming into my clinic with from acne to cancer, you're going to end up with an emotion code therapist at some point. And you're going to map your own emotional field. And you will quickly identify through muscle testing, what's the number one of the seven dominant emotions that seems to be most disrupting your field today without any concern of like exactly where in the body or left breast or what.

22:51 More a sense of where is the static happening most that's disrupting my neurologic field. And so you identify that and use a magnetic exposure to the cerebral spinal fluid. Once that emotion is pulled forward in your awareness, you can run magnets over the cerebral spinal fluid and reset the electromagnetics of the water that was remembering that event. So bizarrely, we don't have hard drive for memory in the brain. We have short-term memory, kind of a RAM, but no ROM. We don't have any long-term memory stored in the brain.

23:28 All of your long-term memories seem to be stored in the water structure that's then suspended in this liquid crystal state of the fascial planes of the body. The fascia wraps every organ in the body. And so it's this kind of spider webby-looking packing material around each organ. And it creates a high electrical charge that then holds water in this like gel state around the organ. And that seems to be where we carry memory, bizarrely. And this is why you can be getting, you know, deep massage and suddenly be bawling for no apparent reason. It's like, oh my gosh, like something just got unlocked. I just unlocked an emotional knot that was held in this space of my myofascia in my low back or in my right quad, whatever it is.

24:15 And so there's this way in which memory is stored within the body. And that's how it gets so specific to the disease that will ultimately come is the storage compartments are very specific because of the frequency of the emotion. Each emotion has its own electromagnetic signature. And so fear has a much different structure to it at the water level than something like joy or. guilt. And so the reason they store where they do is not because your ant lives in your upper right breast, it's because the frequency of water at the right upper breast is going to match that of the frequency of I am not enough, whatever it is.

24:54 And so we're just a column of water. You can picture this a little bit like the process of distillation that we use for fuel. So you take fossil oil, put it in a big giant vertical column, and all of the weights of the oils, you know, or different fuels in there level out. You've got light naphtha at the top, and then heavy naphthas and kerosene and diesel, and then your bunker sea fuel at the bottom. So it's like this columnated system that's sorted by weight. Emotion is very much similar to that. So it's all of these different weighted frequencies that then will hit different areas of the water column of the body as it sorts through that information.

25:34 Yeah, it's so fascinating. And on top of the emotional thing, I hear you say in a lot of interviews that a lot of our health problems or our well-being, our level of well-being relates to this misalignment between our conscious identity and our soul identity. It's another thing I'm really attracted to hearing people talk about at length, but I don't necessarily know how to actually practically implement it. It's another area where our culture just exacerbates the problem. But talk to us about how we should reprioritize this realignment and how to actually do it. Why is it so important? On the importance level, we either go extinct or we re-embody.

26:18 And so we've reached a state of so much trauma stored now, most of it emotional, that's really threatening things. But then you layer on that chemical trauma from our herbicides and pesticides, 4 billion pounds a year of just glyphosate alone sprayed into our global waters. It's raining glyphosate. We breathe glyphosate. It's in every bite of food. Layer on top of the chemical trauma, then physical trauma. Then you layer on it psycho-spiritual trauma. And then you layer on there, you know, some form of existential concept of self-identity as kind of the core trauma of abandonment. And it's a wonder that we're still alive today. We've stored so much, and this is stored not just in the water, but ultimately in the genome.

26:59 And so we see this passed on from generation to generation through a process that we call epigenetics. And so grandmother's stress during the World War II era is imprinted on the granddaughter through these epigenetic patterns. And the disease caused by that stress will be much more significantly expressed in the granddaughter than it was in the grandmother who actually had the trauma. And so we call this genomic stacking. And so it's a scary thing that it's the fourth generation out from the trauma that actually will express the highest levels of disease from that epigenetic shift. And frighteningly, that's the moment that if it went through four generations without getting processed, if not a single one of those generations were trained to slow down, breathe, and embody and feel everything completely so that the system can decompress so that the emotions can actually be cleared as felt experiences, then

27:52 metabolized and cleared from the body. If nobody does that over those four generations, not only will that fourth generation have the highest disease expression of the trauma, it will also then make the decision that this must be a permanent condition and the maintenance of that epigenetic chain should be stored in the genetic data of the germline, which is to say in the ovum or in the sperm. And so the fourth generation will create a genetic sequence out of the epigenetic pattern. And now every generation thereafter is going to express that trauma. And so this is why it's a miracle we're still alive is because the amount of unprocessed trauma, emotional or otherwise, in the field has been probably six or eight generations severely removed from the

28:40 experience of being felt. And so we've been trained through the Industrial Revolution to stop feeling the body and optimize output. We were put in schools eight hours a day. We were trained to memorize instead of think. We were trained to process materials on an assembly line instead of be creative. We were trained to maximize output on a spreadsheet rather than paint pictures. We've been steadily divorced from these bodies in the machine-like optimization of an industrial age that took advantage of a humanity that believed itself to be kicked out of nature and said, well, the machines are going to answer this.

29:19 We're going to build such smart machines that will control nature. And we see this at a complete tenor now. Every day my feet is hit with some new peptide that is going to cure 100% of cancers have just been cured in India by this peptide. peptide. I was a cancer chemotherapy guy. I can tell you definitively that no life will ever be extended or preserved by any therapy that doesn't get at the root cause of the problem. There is not a single cancer in history that was caused by a lack of chemotherapy or the lack of some peptide.

29:55 And so, what we are doing when we throw chemo or peptides at an inflammation on our elbow or our cancer is we're covering up the signal of an intelligent system that's trying to return us to an embodied state so that we will clear the trauma so we don't go extinct. And right now, we're just ignoring all of the signals. And we now have a global population that is in collapse. The growth of our population, I believe, is a fallacy. We do not have a global population growth happening right now. There's only five countries left out of 196 that are still in a positive birth rate. That's Central Africa, India, Pakistan.

30:36 From Saudi Arabia to the United States, everybody's in a negative growth spiral. Most of them already. Saudi will dip under that 2.1 level in the next few months. And so, globally, Asia, North America, South America, everybody's in a negative growth spiral right now. And so we have a shrinking population. We're covering up that data by something called population momentum, which is a statistical phenomenon. But the biological reality is this planet is going to see less humans over the next 10 years for the first time in a very long time. We got so used to there being more humans every generation. We can't imagine anything in the face of a shrinking population.

31:19 But can you imagine what the economy would look like if there weren't more people to move to your town next year and buy the real estate and keep pushing that real estate value up? What if real estate value everywhere started spiraling down because there were less people, which is exactly what's going to happen? The fact is, is economies were also built in abstraction, just as the emotional body was, because the stuff that got valued that would drive economies wasn't based in nature. It wasn't based on life metrics. It was based on consumption. It was based on optimization. It was based on concentration of energy in the form of capital. And so we've built an emotional body that's nearing extinction because of its failure to feel the traumas.

32:03 And we keep passing the trauma to deeper and deeper consequences each subsequent generation. And we continue to be distracted by the optimization and output of abstract economies and sociopolitical systems that are sucking the energy out of ourselves and the planet. And so that's the why is, holy crap, that's a bad situation. The how is insanely simple. How do we become conscious? How do we turn back on? How do we become embodied? This is the most important topic of our time. And fortunately, people are learning how to do it all over the place. And when we start to learn it, we realize this isn't a learning.

32:44 This is a remembering because we all did it when we were four years old. Every four-year-old is embodied. We had to get trained out of embodiment. And so it's not a process of going to discover new technology. It's a process of decompressing the programming that's layered on top of your innate knowingness on how to be a soul that's fully expressed in the body. And so that process looks like breathing. It looks like breathing outside under a tree, staring through the branches at a sky as clouds pass over. It looks like listening to birds in the morning until you can feel your blood pressure respond to the bird song.

33:23 It looks like being so present in the mud puddle that you can feel the mud between your toes until you feel the neurologic stress that's stored in your upper cervical spine from your yesterday's work release and you go back to neutral. It looks like holding your child on your chest for so long that you both fall asleep. It looks like breathing with your grandmother as she tells a story until you were there with her in 1925. It looks like sitting around tables with four generations that are laughing and tasting bread that was baked at home and covered with butter that's melting into the crevices.

34:06 And gluten sensitivity goes away because the fear goes away. We begin to feel it all and we start to grow grains that are free of pesticides again. And we start to bake bread by our grandmother's recipes rather than stored with bromine and all these other additives so that there's shelf life in there. We got to return to the basics. And as soon as we do, these bodies come back. online immediately and our behaviors change. And yours changed. You're a city kid who's got a freaking flock of chickens driving you crazy. What happened to you? How the hell did you get chickens? That sounds like a bad mistake. Well, it seemed like the only path forward. Hearing what's going on in these cities, you got to go, you got to get out. There you go.

34:51 So you started to feel something. And so let's go ahead and do that because I think that's so critical to everybody to your question right now. Like, how did you follow it? So, what did you start to feel in your body that led to your decision to leave the city? Yeah, I think it was more intellectual than anything I felt in my body. I think it was more just like, I can't do a conspiracy show talking about 15-minute smart cities and 5G and all these signals. Like, if I want to extract myself from them, turning my Wi-Fi off at night isn't enough if there's 50 Wi-Fi signals reaching me. So, if we're going to have kids and do this right, we're going to try to do some homestead light type activities.

35:34 And, you know, it hasn't been all that light. It's been very hard, but, you know, we're trying. Two young kids makes it hard. So I'll interpret what you did and you can tell me if I'm right or not. So, what you experienced was, you said, intellectual. So, we'll call it cognitive dissonance. The stress in your brain of knowing that there are problems and I'm living inside of the problems and the solutions are outside of the environment I am currently living in. I'm going to have to go move over there. So, it was the discomfort and the amount of energy you were putting into maintaining cognitive dissonance finally got so large that it wasn't worth the effort.

36:12 And it was much more likely to be, you know, or much more attractive to put that energy into trying to figure out chickens. And so, it's that cognitive dissonance that I think is where most people are going to begin long before they're willing to or have the slowness to start to feel the body. You're going to, you're going to feel the exhaustion of trying to maintain an egoic model of abstraction and value systems where you're like, no, I'm going to keep working for the man because it's a good paycheck and I've got health benefits and I'm going to keep being miserable eight to 12 hours a day in my job so that my kids can eat chemically processed toxic food in the

36:50 middle of a vibrational chamber full of electromagnetic field that's disrupting their biologic template and memory of what the body was that they've signed in their mother's womb. Like at some point, the dissonance is just so great that you're just like, got to get the hell out of here. So I live in the middle of the woods of Virginia. I spend much of my time down in Panama in the middle of a jungle that's being restored down there by my incredible partner. And she's plants 40,000 trees and we have four kilometers of tree and you know, centropic gardens planted now over the last couple of years. And there's just like we have to spend our time where our bodies can tolerate the experience of being human, which is a finite experience.

37:35 And so at some point, many of us are going to, and many of us already have started to move towards embodiment. And there's going to come a time where you finally get so overwhelmed by trying to homestead and you're just like, screw it. I can't handle the chickens. I can't do the things. Everything's falling apart. And at that moment, you're going to lay down underneath a tree and you're going to find out, oh my God, it wasn't about the chickens. It wasn't about the garden. It was about me fully becoming present. And now I'm going to start to create out here in the woods differently. And it's no longer going to be me reading YouTube articles on how to raise chickens. It's going to be me feeling the land and realize, wow, this land doesn't want chickens. Chickens never lived in this land.

38:17 This land is calling in the wild birds. And I'm going to plant a bunch of berries that these birds naturally nested on. I'm going to start to plant the plants that the deer would naturally come through here and harvest. I'm going to start to be a harmonic with this nature rather than trying to exert the same sort of macro micromanagement on my chicken farm as I did in my productive, you know, urban environment. And so fortunately, the body can't tolerate these abstract systems for long. And so we hit these layers of or these walls of breakdown frequently in life.

38:55 And I've come to start to celebrate these. When I finally, like my foot flares up with pain, I can't walk down the concourse of an airport without agony. I'm just like, well, that's probably my foot telling me to stop freaking traveling all over the world and just settle down and walk in the creeks for a few weeks. And so I do that. Pain goes away. I didn't need any pharmacy. I just needed a good dose of nature. I needed to slow the frick down. And so when we start to slow down, we realize there's. there's massive capacity for creativity, for pleasure, for sorrow, for grief.

39:32 I've grieved way better in recent years than I did in my first 50 because I slowed down enough to feel the grief that I was running so hard from. Well said. And I always get a little self-conscious when the interviews become so much about me and what I'm doing. But, you know, a lot of what you said is kind of the opposite of somewhat what we've tried to do. But, you know, it's not just the chickens. We have planted a lot of stuff. We have an acre of land, but the sandy soil in Florida is tough. It's mostly dead soil. So we're trying to revitalize dead soil, raise two kids that are under five years old. We don't have a lot of help. And, you know, when you say things like, oh, go sit under a tree and breathe and meditate and take everything in.

40:16 I want to do that. That was the vision when we got here. But there's fire ants fucking everywhere. So if I sit down under any tree for five minutes, I will be coated in fire ants and have welts and scars that may never go away. I think I damaged myself from fire ants already. And we try to grow enough that like the deer and the birds can have, but that it leaves some for us. Unfortunately, that's not happening. We had probably 200 peaches coming in. Squirrels come in. They take them before they're even ripe. You know, at least wait till they're ripe.

40:56 But, you know, we put a lot of sweat equity into this land and trying to do it the right way. I've even interviewed people who are more of an occult flavor that try to fold in like putting an altar under a big guardian tree outside. And like, I try to think in these terms, and it just seems like the land is not wanting to work with me. And then you end up in the hospital for a month and everything's overgrown. So it's a lot. It's a lot to try to revitalize the soil in the way that people like yourself will talk about. And I know that's important. You start there. But then, like, I feel like I'm fighting the nature around me and it isn't even wanting me to get a fucking moment's peace under a tree where I can get outside of my head enough, long enough to just be.

41:44 You know, an acre of land is a lot of land, but yet it seems like there's nowhere I could actually do that for more than five minutes. And I don't want to poison the land. We're growing food here. So I'm not trying to poison the fire ants, but I don't know. Do I just try to tap into their frequency and tell them to get the fuck out of here? You know, these are the challenges. Yeah. And I think, you know, everybody who's tried to grow a garden will really feel a lot of reassurance that it's so painful for you because it's been painful for everybody that's tried to get back into nature. But I think we have to have a lot of grace on ourselves because all of our traditional practices have been forgotten.

42:25 And so for us to leave the city and expect it to go real clever, you know, just when we arrive, we have to drill down on 40 generations of people that lived in Florida. So, you know, you had like over 14 different nations that were living in Florida for 10 to 40,000 years before colonialism arrived. And they had the most complex agricultural system that Europeans had ever seen upon arrival. It was feeding 100 million people throughout what's now North America. And so this place was thriving when we showed up. There were flocks of birds that would black out the sun for three days. There was, you know, herds of antelope and bison that would shake the ground like an earthquake.

43:10 And there were pasture pigeons everywhere. The American chestnut was the most incredible tree that the world had ever seen. The Europeans had never seen trees like this. All of that went extinct because of our colonial separation from natural systems. It had been here for 40,000 years with humans. So it's not human trade. It's not a humans that kill this. It's systems that have been kicked out of nature. It's systems that believe that we are separate from nature that went and created abstract systems which were inherently scarce. So it's the scarcity that you and I are dealing with when we decide, you know what, I'm going to create a garden.

43:50 Fact is, we actually have no idea what the earth would have been providing if our village had remained intact with seasonal eating growing patterns and wildlife management because it was wildlife management. These were food forests that had been grown by humans. There's still one of them left, and it's called the Amazon Rainforest. It's the largest human-made food system in the world. And it's a larger continuous tree canopy than all of North America is large. large. And so this tree canopy is a food forest designed by tens of thousands of villages that were born out of hundreds of different nations and peoples in their cultures.

44:33 And so this is something that's inherent to humans is we know how to live within the land, but it takes a lot to get back to that level of memory. And what the a lot is, is not doing more. It's waiting more. It's listening more. It's being patient. And so if you guys had been encouraged to, and you weren't, not a single website will ever encourage you to do this, and nobody will ever tell you to do this. But if you were encouraged to hear, oh, we want to leave the city, and the message was fantastic. I want you to go drive the land until you start to feel in your nervous system an unwinding.

45:13 And then I want you to walk that land for four seasons until you find the spot that is telling you where you should live. But instead, you jumped in a vehicle with a realtor who had an agenda to sell you a piece of one acre land and you run around and like, well, this will do. This feels good. Yeah. So there's no connection yet to the land. And you guys might find out that you're actually supposed to be in the middle of Idaho. And that's where life is actually easy because there's actually the right amount of water and sun and soil and all of this. And you're not supposed to be growing your kids and farm and sand. It could be done in soil. But so these are the limitations that the systems are.

45:56 And then we rage against the machine of nature being like, well, it's too hard to function within you when nature's like, you haven't even arrived. You haven't gotten here yet. I appreciate that for sure. And I do love those old reports of the abundance that was here when the white man came. I mean, it is really crazy because we think of, or we're taught to think of the Native Americans as, oh, these primitive people are just living off the land. No, they're, they're actually cultivating their land. They're cultivating abundance. They're, they know, like, they're not just going out and rolling the dice to see if the herd comes through. They know where it moves and they engineer it to be a strong, large herd so that they can, you know, have a reciprocal relationship.

46:40 And that's an awesome thing. So another very unique thing I've heard you talk about is along these lines. So we will have listeners who think this is the new age hippie show. And I myself do sometimes think that as well. But there's a growing idea in the conspiracy subculture that we are trapped in a prison planet, that this is actually hell. We're stuck in a negative reincarnation loop in a harsh place driven by exploitation and everything is consumption and death and a bloody food chain of pain and suffering. And I don't really see it that dramatically, but it's a little hard to argue with the whole thing about the food chain and the consumption and the structure of nature being built that way that of predators and prey.

47:27 But you have a pretty good take on reframing this. Help those people out. Yeah. I don't think I can in some ways. I think that people that want to be in that space and define the world that way are doing that to learn something. And I'm not convinced that that's not a bad thing. Like, what would you learn from signing up for a cycle through a prison planet? What would your soul be wanting to feel? In some ways, maybe that's a huge relief because certainly in all my work in birthing babies and then on the flip side, sitting at deathbeds and hospice, I can tell you at both ends of the spectrum, the soul is in an incredible state of peace.

48:11 It's unchanging. It's unmarred by any experience, especially as finite as being human. It's a permanent condition of being you. You are a permanent condition in space-time. And when you're not limited to the perceptions of the human brain, these five senses that start to overwhelm our 12 senses of the body, and we start to get dumbed down to a tiny frequency of visual acuity and the light spectrum. We see about 0.1% of the light spectrum. We call that the real world. Then we can hear about 0.1% of the audible frequencies. And we say, well, we can hear the world. And so we can see the world. We can hear the world. We can taste about, you know, one fifth of what a dog can.

48:55 And we figure like, we know what a taco tastes like. We don't know anything in these five senses. And maybe that's a freaking relief. Maybe that's kind of wonderful as a soul that has felt everything and been connected at singularity with all things through space-time. And suddenly you're finite. And you can taste coffee just the way that a human would. would taste coffee. And the beautiful thing about sensing that coffee as a human is you believe you're separate from the beauty of the coffee. And therefore, you can say coffee is delicious. A better example is maybe the sunset. Sunset is a beautiful thing, but it's only seen if you're human because the birds and other animals with all of the intelligence, better acuity of vision, better capacity to feel the electromagnetic field in you, they don't stop and look at it.

49:45 The elephant never stops and looks at the dolphin, never jumps out of the water to see just the tone of color because the animals outside of the human animal, the other animals are inside the beauty. And so are we actually in a prison world or are we imprisoned in a mind that uniquely believes ourselves to be separate? And that's, I believe, the truth. It's not the planet that's the prison. It's the human perception of the world we live in is the prison. Why would we want to be imprisoned? Because we would like to have the experience of being outside the beauty for a moment so that we can see it. And so that I think is okay. It's okay to suffer as a human. It's okay to be lonely.

50:28 It's okay to be full of fear, guilt, shame. It's okay to be completely heartbroken. It's okay to feel lonely for a moment. Maybe that was the whole point of being imprisoned in a human mind. I'm going to make you make a judgment on something somewhere along the line here. No, but it is funny that, like, I think a lot of it is also the economic stress of the whole system. And we like to say, well, what can I do about it? It's a goddamn prison planet. Clearly, I'm not going to be able to solve my own problems because they're so huge and the Rockefellers are singling me out. You know, that kind of stuff. So I think a lot of it is a way to externalize all your problems onto something so big that you're like, well, what choice do I have?

51:11 It's the whole damn world. But another interview quote I love is a time where you said, anytime someone offers you an IV bag or a red light to hang on your wall, you can say, thank you for your offer, but I'm going to go back to biological systems. Now, in the example of red light, I mean, I know the biological system is the sun. And the example of an IV bag, I mean, yeah, it's just typical hydration the right way. But sometimes it's hard to find the biological system that coordinates with a given problem or a need, let's say. And doesn't even have to be about our physical health, but it's because we don't have the language. We're divorced from nature and the interconnectedness of things.

51:54 But how can we get better at finding the biological system when our conventional system gives us an answer that we don't like or we see as the wrong approach? How can we find the analog in the biological system that if we're just ignorant of its options? Yeah, that is the golden question. So that it took me almost 25 years in medicine before I was brave enough to answer that question because I knew deep down subconsciously that the moment I went that direction, I was going to have to close my clinic. So I closed my clinic in 2023 because I realized there was a completely different approach.

52:35 And every time I got my white coat on and sat down across from a patient, I was perpetuating the condition in which they would not be able to find those answers. They continued to believe that they were going to have to rely on my wisdom from my completely different space-time experience than theirs, tell them what they needed. And so over the last 10 years, we've been building something called Journey. And it is the journey back into self-awareness that then allows your intelligence to become that which will discover everything that you're here to discover, whether it be the chemo you want to take or the peptide you want to inject or the nourishment you want to get from a planet that was built for abundance and imagined you into existence in the first place. And so you can have any of those experiences.

53:18 But Journey is an eight-step program at its foundation. It's called the Roots Course. That content comes free within all of the membership stuff that comes on with the journey stuff. But then we have the expedition, which is our deep dive, six month health courses into really deeply embodying the 11 elements that happen in a human body to promote and produce a healthy system. And so fortunately, science has gotten to the point where we can start to every day practice a lifestyle that's in intrinsic support to the entire way in which any cell, whether an earthworm, human, dog, dolphin, every cell needs the same interconnected relationships to water,

54:04 food, fasting, breath, movement, community, play. You have to have these elements there for a cell to know itself and know its role within the context of a human body. And that human body needs the same macro experience to know its role within the organism of human within the context of a nature that's waiting to be seen in its beauty by the one species that's outside the beauty. And so that's the stacking context of life and the practices that get you there became what we now call journey. And so that once we were there and I was doing that, you know, on the side and then running my clinic, you know, eight or 10 hours a day, suddenly realized every time a patient comes in here and sits down the one-on-one for me to advise them on their health thing, I haven't allowed them to move past week one of our six points.

54:55 And so I've just got, why don't you come back in three months and I'll see you again and we'll see how things are going. Oh, it's not going well again. I must need to give you more wisdom. And so I suddenly realized the stress and exhaustion I was feeling in clinic was the cognitive dissonance between I know what people would walk towards if they were really going towards empowered health and I know where my clinic is. And those two things started to get further and further apart. And soon I couldn't handle the cognitive dissonance between the two. And I had to take the courageous thing of like, wow, I spent 17 years training into three such specialties of medicine. My whole self-value is being a doctor. Am I really going to close that part of my life? I'm still paying my school loans. It seems insane to like, what am I doing? Like, why would I close that thing?

55:40 And the rewards have been so rich, not monetarily, but at the soul level, I'm no longer carrying around cognitive dissonance. And I spend a lot of time, more time worm farming. I've got this whole vermiculture worm production system for soil right now. I'm so pleased with, and it gives me way more joy than anything else that I've done in the medical or professional world. And so I got my worms, got soil. Airline's out there producing all the trees that I want to eat from the rest of my life. We got best dogs in the world. And like, life is good. My kids grew up and are thriving, and they haven't needed me in probably 14 years, and they can hardly tolerate my ignorance.

56:16 And so it's best that they just keep doing their thing and thriving on their own way. And I get to touch in once in a while and see the beauty of life being lived from a different perspective and a different present one in those children. A life is as beautiful as a life can get. And at two o'clock this afternoon, I'll be completely fed up with humankind and be ready to check out. So that's the dichotomy of being alive right now. Yes, story of my life for sure. Well, I'm all jazzed up. You got me. Now, we have to at least mention this cradle of humankind events. Tell us what's going on here. We laid a lot of groundwork to explain the framework in which something like this can be pretty impactful. What do you expect it to do? What's happening? How can people participate?

57:00 Origin is an exciting moment where, similar to the closing of my clinic and the opening of Journey, we figured we realized that Journey needed a beginning point. And it's difficult when people come in with all of these different present moments, all these different perceptions of what's reality, and then they try to start the journey together. And so increasingly, we saw the power of coming into coherence before you start walking the path. And we're ready to do that on the global level now. And what this is going to look like is a new story for humankind. The last three generations, we've been programmed with the belief that there are too many humans. We're cancer on the planet. We're extracting so much, we're destroying the ecosystems. We are the cause of climate change.

57:41 We are the cause of destruction of species. We are the problem. So now we have a whole generation of children born into something called eco-anxiety, where they don't want to have children. They don't want to have a job. They don't care about anything because their planet is dying and there's nothing we can do about it. That's called eco-anxiety. It's a diagnosable medical condition now, and that is a tragedy because there's nothing more miraculous or beautiful than a human life. There is no way there is too many human lives on the planet. There are human lives that are living out of step with a nature that is so ready to welcome us back in as a keystone species. And every footprint of a human being will increase life force as we begin to remember and trust a body that can sense and feel everything.

58:24 And we will soon realize that these children have nothing to be embarrassed about or guilted or shamed about for being human. They are ready to be able to step back into the highest technology in the land, which is called human. And we will walk through AI. We will walk past the machines and become far more intelligent than possible if these children will be allowed to reintegrate nature. So origin is a new story for humankind, a humankind that desperately needs to be reoriented to the infinite beauty around us and the context of nature itself. So origin is really there to identify that everything is actually perfect. It's just missing its context.

59:03 When we recontextualize the human being, human journey, it will make sense to us just as it does on the deathbed when we dip across and come back to say everything was perfect. Every hospice patient that has the ability or opportunity to come back and tell us what they saw on the other side will tell you some version of, I am enough. It was all okay. It was all integrated. I had exactly the experience I wanted to have. And there are peace. That's what we could have inside the body. We don't need our children to wait until their moment of death to find out that being human is perfect and it's the experience you've been waiting for. And we are species that are capable of co-creating in this nature. So Origin is happening on October 17th globally.

59:44 It's a music festival that's got an epicenter of the cradle of human pine in South Africa. So if you happen to be there, come and join me. If you want to travel to South Africa and see the beauty of the world through a different point in time, travel with me. But there's over 3,500 sites now activating around the world on that day to participate in a global event. You can just go to the website and participate in your backyard, or you could do it in your sacred space within your home and go up to your favorite trail and sit on top of a mountaintop on October 17th, 9 p.m. South Africa time, which is noon Pacific time. You can tune in to the origin event.

1:00:24 We have a prayer that was put together by 18 different indigenous cultures from around the world into a coherent prayer for humankind and our planet's moment. And it's a rallying point where all of us tuning into this moment simultaneously create a phenomenon that's been tracked in bacteria as well as in humans is that we actually all participate in a single field. For all of the differences in the points that we hold, the field is continuous. And when we all step into this field together and accept a new version of humankind, which is the Keystone species waiting to do our best work, we can change the frequency of resonance in that field and the behaviors of humans who are not tuned in at all will

1:01:05 change. This was shown at different moments of heart coherence on the planet when we did We Are the World. Prime went down in all of the cities around the world simultaneously. And so we have an anthem, a global anthem that we've written with Grammy Award-winning artists and over 30 artists recording our completed the final anthem. So that'll be playing throughout the day as well. We've got about an eight-hour streaming experience with content coming in from the over 100 different public events that are happening simultaneously around the world. So jump to ourorigin.earth and click on the hand. It'll identify, you can identify where you will be on October 17th and log your place of participation in the heart field of humankind as we reset the story.

1:01:48 I love that. Yes. ROrigin.earth, great, great sales pitch. I mean, a few years ago, I would have just laughed at something like that, you know, sadly. And I would have been like, this is lame. But I've seen a lot of the data, honestly, that stacks up to really make these things seem possible. And why not try? I do think the biggest conspiracy is to make us feel disconnected and disempowered. And we just need to see that as the lie as it is, believe that it really is a lie. And all that conditioning is just that. And then if that's true, well, now what? Now, what can we do? Well, get empowered and get connected. And how do you do it? It's stuff like this. You know, it's ritual. Humans from the beginning of time have been involved in ritual.

1:02:33 Let's make some good rituals. So I love that. In terms of other links to give people, zachbushmd.com is your main website. And they can get the ions then. You want to mention what that, what ion is? There's a lot of probiotics out there in the world. You know, I go to the crunchy grocery store. I get my probiotic pill, one billion cultures, whatever. Apparently, hearing you yesterday, you told me I'm doing nothing, but tell me why Ion is different. So Ion was, you know, a lot of my journey into this interconnected reality of life itself.

1:03:11 So what we accidentally uncovered in 2012 in my lab, we were continuing the scientific exploration of cancer cells. After I'd left the university, I started my own private lab, and it gave me the opportunity to start asking questions that no one university would fund. And so we started asking a lot more connected questions of what would happen to a human cell if it was reconnected to soil intelligence. So it was in that process where we were extracting these molecules from complex soil systems and starting to bathe human cells in this stuff. And the reason we were doing that is because we had discovered a very high concentration of these redox molecules inside of these fossil soils.

1:03:48 Redox molecules are the wireless communication network of biology. And so in the same way that your cell phone becomes isolated when you're not close enough to a cell phone tower, you can no longer update your calendar. You can't get your text message. messages. You're kind of just not functioning in the larger organism. And that happens to a single cell when it's out of touch with its wireless communication network. And it turns out, not surprisingly, perhaps, that the wireless communication network of the human body is not made by human cells. It's made by bacteria and fungi and the whole interconnected web of life around you. And so when you become isolated through your antibiotic, like herbicides, pesticides, and antibiotics from your doctor, when you sterilize the human condition, you lose the wireless communication network and cancer rates go up because an isolated cell always becomes cancer.

1:04:32 And so that was the beginning of it. It was thinking about it as a prevention mechanism for cancers. What if we kept all humans interconnected by keeping that wireless communication network high? That's where it started. So in 2013, we put into bottles and started handing it out to my patients. Within months, I humbly had to acknowledge that I had been thinking again through the pinhole of this cancer story. What we were seeing happen was much more profound than any sort of cancer story. We were finding people reconnecting to self-identity. They were suddenly resolving claustrophobia, anxiety disorders, sleep disorders. They were resolving things that didn't make biologic sense to like gut health or microbiome.

1:05:15 And so they started doing things that didn't make sense to my Western mind. And years later, I would realize the wireless communication network there is not to prevent disease, it is to create connection. And ultimately, it is to create connection to self. And when an individual is connected to self and you have that vibrational coherence and harmony between the song that sung you into reality in your mother's womb, that soul song that's some sort of vibrational harmonic through space-time that's always you, you got sung into human form in your womb. Cymatics is the science. You got formed in three dimensions and here you are. That is what Ion actually became. And so it's been on the market for 10 years.

1:05:58 Millions of homes have experienced this reconnection process. And the industry is full of distraction. And the lives come along or the next peptide comes along and somebody promises cancer is going to be treated with this or that. And people stop taking their ion and people stop reconnecting to self and they don't know why they're more desperate for more supplements in three months than they were before, but it's because they've lost the signal. They've lost the assurance that they are of the earth. They are in an abundant reality. There is no end point of death. They're having exactly the experience they should. So ion is a fascinating thing because it's really the only supplement on the market that doesn't do anything to your body. It simply turns back on the communication network that allows your body to do what it wants to do today.

1:06:43 And that has no micromanagement, no macromanagement of human systems. It's the most passive products on the market. So you can find that on the Zach Bush MD website. A lot more science there. We've got a lot of peer-reviewed science around gluten sensitivity and autism, all kinds of things as how they relate back to these failures of communication. A lot of that science and a lot of my human story is outlined in the biological elegance book that you'll find on the same website there. And biological elegance is really painting this understanding of where we are with AI and how this is, in fact, a really good moment to be human. AI is the thing we've been waiting for to end abstraction. It is the mirror that sits outside of the geometry of life.

1:07:22 And as we stare into that, we're going to find out that humans are beautiful. What's going to give us the opportunity to re-embody and AI will become obsolete, not because we got more intelligent, but because we reclaimed the intelligence that we've ascribed to the machines. I love it. Tell me where I can sign up for your religion, your cult, because man, I mean, you're a modern mystic. And I love the framing of Ion as like the natural Wi-Fi because we've learned that the gut is like a second brain. Now we just need to step it up again and realize that there's actually intelligence that's outside the confines of the body and the internet connectedness is all important and related.

1:08:01 So man, I learned a lot. I've got a lot to think about. I love having assumptions challenged and seeing things in new ways. And that came heavy and hard today. So thank you for taking the time and keep doing what you do and take care. Take care. Thanks so much for having me on. Best of luck with the chickens. All right, my damies. And the crowd goes wild, right? I hope so. I don't know. But I do like Dr. Zach Bush a lot. I have for a long time. He's another guy that Gordon actually put on my radar when I saw him on Joe Rogan, like 60 days after Gordon died.

1:08:40 It was bittersweet because he would have liked to see Dr. Bush's perspective get that kind of recognition. But also, when someone is on Rogan, I pretty much write off that I will have them on THC or that at least I need to wait like a year before I ask. asking. But then an email came through asking if I wanted to have them on out of nowhere, unprompted. And of course, I said yes. And this is two now, two guys that I have asked in the past who declined that Gordon had a lot of respect for. And since he's died, their teams have reached out to me out of nowhere. Seems like he might be helping me on the astral plane. The only one left that would really fit that pattern is Catherine Austin Fitz.

1:09:24 So I just want to say that now in case it lands in my lap the same way. We shall see. Three is harder than two. Two is harder than one, but I thought Gordon was a powerful wizard, you know? But what Gordon thought was so great about Dr. Bush, I'm sure there's many things, but one was something that we really didn't focus on today, and that is his take on viruses, just reminding us of all the things we used to hear a lot. I've brought this up before too, but I grew up hearing that when you hug someone or shake hands with someone, you're transferring millions of bacteria and viruses between you two, and you don't even notice. No one coughs, no one sneezes. And Zach often references that point.

1:10:07 We've also heard about a bucket of seawater containing like 100 million viruses. The world is microscopic organisms and we're fine. It's like the people who talk about vaccines and say, even if they were tested, to test all 60 in all different combinations has definitely never been done because that's actually over like a trillion combinations. So you can't really say what might or might not cause anything when compounded together in a certain combination.

1:10:43 Now I use that same logic with viruses. Whatever these little squiggles under the microscope are, a simple Google says that there are 380 trillion viruses in a human body at one time. The virome. So just like bacteria, we learn that there are many good ones and really not a lot you can do about it. But in a COVID-like situation, there's an insinuation that we're a blank slate and then we get this one thing and then we get sick. But the other 380 trillion viruses you walk around with all day, not a problem, unrelated.

1:11:22 So Dr. Bush's perspective that we are not really even a good container between, you know, the inside and outside. So much of our virome and virome is outside the body. It just makes a lot of sense to me. We really are just part of the environment in a continuum that feels different at this skin barrier level. In a previous interview, I heard him say that true health with a capital H is biodiverse connection. And he speaks at great length that isolation is not good for health. And when you get sick, yes, rest is good, but don't isolate yourself away from other people.

1:12:06 Try to take a walk in nature if you can, because nature is not trying to kill you. Sure, don't go buy copperheads and all that. But in a general sense, like the breathing in and out of what's available outside in nature is so much better than a hermetically sealed room where you're resting in bed, watching TV, taking in all the blue light and getting no actual light and all that stuff. I mean, we know this, but do we act this way in those moments when we do have something making us feel suboptimal? Not all the time. You're destroying your virome and biome by isolating like that.

1:12:50 And then these chemicals that people love that kill 99.9% of germs. Again, you're just destroying that whole ecosystem that overlaps with what we think of as our immune system immensely. So I do think we get into these ideas about what causes what, so many mixed messages. But if we believe that it's all consciousness, like truly believe that, we should worry less about the atoms and the matter and the little squiggles and more about wrangling our mindset into thinking the right thoughts that aren't killing us and causing us greater stress, right?

1:13:30 What he was saying about epigenetics and genetic memory and genomic stacking, that stuff seems very important. The dark side of it, the weaponization of it, seems to be what they did with Project Monarch. They discovered that trauma goes four generations deep, that you can actually stack that trauma and increase the trauma and then. four generations later, you have a completely fractured, empty vessel of a person. I don't know if it makes you a psychopath or a narcissist or what, but definitely the defense mechanism of stacked trauma like that makes a person that is useful to a certain dark cabal.

1:14:09 And it seems like when you do it to the right degree, you end up just putting a microphone in a person's hand and putting fractured children out on the national stage to become global sensations. I think sometimes they want us to idolize broken people, and that kind of makes us subconsciously strive or desire to be more broken ourselves. Getting a little hippy-dippy with it, but I think there's something there. But in relation to the multi-generational epigenetic thing, something we barely touched on where he is very stark is glyphosate.

1:14:49 He did mention it, but man, in other interviews, he's laid out the studies to show first generation of exposure, not that bad. These people live pretty normal lives and don't really notice. Now, the second generation of exposure, the offspring of those people, they experience significant issues, including massive obesity, check, autoimmune dysfunction, check, metabolic collapse. Another big old check. That is where we are. And now it gets really dark. But the third generation, well, they are frequently born with severe birth defects, high rates of stillborn and developing cancer in the first few months of life, he has said.

1:15:34 And I'm sure just general fertility issues, things not taken the way they used to take. And then, you know, he has kind of flushed it out by saying billions of human bodies will decompose and replenish the soil that we destroyed, and Earth will be back, baby. It's just that easy. It is kind of dark, but also poetic. And if you are thinking from the perspective of the Earth itself or the whole system, yeah, maybe not so bad. He's not saying all humans will die, but we really had three generations to solve the glyphosate problem, and no one really did, and no one really cares.

1:16:16 And I'm kind of getting that way about like the market, like letting the market decide. We have let the market decide that organic isn't that important. There's a lot of fruit stands around me that have local produce. And I've gone there and I said, hey, do you have anything organic? Because I don't want to just go to Publix. And they say, no, we don't. There's no way we could pay our bills if we sold only organic or even organic. We don't even have the shelf space for some organic. And it boggles my mind. It's disheartening. I knew, you know, when I say we're a counterculture show, it's because obviously we are outside the mainstream and we do things differently.

1:16:57 But I really want to believe that our numbers are growing. The people who see these problems are growing and waking up to how damaging it is. But time will tell. And it's not really sending me the right messages right now. But Dr. Bush is great on a lot of stuff. And I promise I don't want to make these sorts of shows about me or keep leaning on the same personal examples that you're all probably sick of hearing. And I could see this one sounding like a personal therapy session across the kidney stone, the land, the birth of the kids, everything.

1:17:33 But it's that a lot of these real world challenges and situations that I've found myself in in recent years have been roadblocks to really adopting a conviction about this change in worldview that would more align with Dr. Bush. I like it all. I want it to be true. It sounds good. But these events and issues have just made it hard to adopt. And I hope that at least some of these issues I bring up are mirrored in the lives of you guys out there. Otherwise, what are we doing? For me, I think I need a land shaman. I want to work with the land. I don't want to beat it into submission and just make it a canvas for my vision.

1:23:39 If I can't get 1% to move the needle for me, then this stress over ads was always just in my head. And the audience doesn't care at all. And I don't really believe that, but I am going to let the market decide between now and the end of the year and just stop trying to guess and stop worrying about it. The trial is still credit card free. Just give it a shot at no cost with only an email. I'll send you a username and password and you'll get in there. And I think you will like what you see. I think it sells itself. But as for the recent shows, we do like to get into those ratings from the plus people. Mark Booth was the last interview I had, and it's rated higher than I expected, to be honest.

1:24:19 4.8. Man, I really thought that a focus on the history of scientists wasn't really going to be that interesting to a lot of you on top of the sound issues we had with that one. But I'm very happy to see that I'm wrong. And I'm sure Mark Booth's prior work and reputation is doing a little of the heavy lifting there, but I'm not going to complain. I'll take it. But that does bring up that I've had to lean on my alternative editor here and there recently. And I'm thinking that there really is a pretty big chasm between my primary guy and my best alternate.

1:24:59 And I might need a new alternate. So email me if you do this kind of work and already have a full plate, but maybe want an additional episode a month or something to work on on the side. For a long time, I've depended on one guy and he does a great job, but I need better bench strength for when I have to throw an audible or come up with a plan B. Of course, the main skill I need is getting the best audio out of these guests who just don't have a good audio environment. The visuals and all that are extra compared to the primary skill set of superior audio in a wide range of suboptimal situations.

1:25:40 Sadly, I can't just fly everyone to me. So we do what we can. We're the little engine that could. The hireside chats at gmail.com. If you feel qualified, send me your best pitch, which with some examples of previous work, please. All right. And while not an interview, I did put together my Gordon tribute show. I wish I had rambled a little less about the personal stuff in the beginning. I really wanted this five hours worth of highlighted clips to serve as a way to introduce people to Gordon so that he can hopefully become one of these people that is appreciated even more so after his death. But it would have functioned better if I had just kept that in mind right from the jump.

1:26:25 Still, I wanted to share the sinks with people who are already familiar. I wanted to share that wedding video. And I know people wanted to know more about his final adventure. So I gave that context too. It is what it is. I got a ton of feedback from RuneSuit people who appreciated it. I really haven't heard a bad thing about it yet, which is great because I know nobody is craving a clip show of any kind. It's usually just a thing we tolerate. But look, from the plus people here, it's got a 4.9. So happy to know I am not alone in appreciating these insights from Gordon.

1:27:02 I do think it's a good listen. I combed through close to 40 hours of audio to find the best five hours, and I'm proud of it. I personally decided to leave out the geopolitical stuff or anything about Trump or COVID. I wanted it to really be the evergreen wisdom from our favorite fallen wizard. And I say mission accomplished in the immortal words of George Bush, but the banner behind me 4.9 suggests that I did it right almost perfectly. And I put the full thing out for everyone because otherwise it wouldn't function the way I wanted it to function.

1:27:42 So thanks to the plus people for not beating me up about that. I appreciate it. And all right, the meetup calendar. Very much in the spirit of this episode. This is why we have an infrastructure for events, hiresidemeetups.com. Go to the website to RSVP, get more details on any event. But here's the list. Here's what we got. This weekend, October 11th, St. Paul, Minnesota, Blackstack Brewing, also October 11th. Hudson, New York, Upper Depot Brewing. October 26th, North Coat Point in Auckland, New Zealand, North Coat Tavern.

1:28:18 November 8th, Los Angeles, California at the Trails Cafe. November 13th, Courtsite, Arizona at Court Site Improvement Association. And then we have Raleigh, North Carolina, November 14th at the Raleigh Brewing Company. All right, good list. list. Go forth and make your own event. If you don't hear about one near you, hiresidemeetups.com, free and easy to do. But that is all she wrote. So happy to have scratched Dr. Zach Bush off the dream guest list. I thought it came out great and I hope I'm not alone. But I am getting out of here. Take care of you and yours. Your move. Fear facilitators, paranoia inducers, and cellular intelligence secret keepers.

1:29:00 You're fucking sitting in traffic, and you look so stuck. No sense of adventure, just a routine fuck. They can diagnose depression, but don't know why you're bored. Mystery comes knocking, but you don't answer the door. No, there are lights in the sky, not found on any map. Creatures deep in the forest that no ranger has tagged.

1:29:41 There are things in the ocean you won't see from the land. Life's under no obligation to make sure you understand. I'm told the truth is out there when you get past the lies. It comes when you least expect it and it wears a disguise. It'll tell you everything just for goof. Can't take any pictures, won't have any proof. So I watch you live like you never wanted it.

1:30:26 A lost soul that's forgotten what really haunted is just let me say this is a horrible approach to seizing the day There are things you can know That you can't even think No doctor has medicine like the shaman's next drink Sleep is never better than inside of the dream Who promised you anything would be as it seems

1:31:10 I'm told the truth is out there When you get past the lies It comes when you least expect it and it wears a disguise It'll tell you everything just for a goof Can't take any pictures, won't have any proof