Dr. Tom Zinser | Sub-Personalities, Entity Attachment, & Gerod

00:54 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. From 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration we offer a I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chats Here we go, Hiresight Chatters. How are we doing out there? From sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood and with so many mysteries about reality and life left to unravel it's no surprise that we know far too little about even our own composition

01:35 While academics still debate the nature or even existence of consciousness, we're seeing doctors emerge who treat systems of the body that are barely even acknowledged with a cascade of positive results. The biofield, the chakra system, things like our depleted hydrogen levels... So is it really any wonder that with so much more to learn about just the physical body maybe the non-physical aspects of the self are just as complex if not moreso? Well, despite the hit or miss nature of channeled material sometimes the right spirit connects with the right person and a wealth of information spills out that would be hard to glean from our limited vantage point. And we're flooded with a torrent of new data about whatever this soul school or human terrarium or reality sandbox seems to be and what it really means to be human! One such powerful connection occurred with today's guest Dr Tom Zinzer when he was introduced to the entity named Jared

02:29 Back in the simpler world of 1987, Dr. Zinsser was a clinical psychologist and hypnotherapist working in Grand Rapids Michigan who was hitting sort of wall with some his clients and the problems they were facing Frustrated with lack of progress to point almost giving up A part time secretary in office named Catherine overheard right conversation at right time And approached Dr. Zinsser with prospect of dialoguing with entity she was able channeled named Jared Thankfully, Dr. Zinsser was open-minded enough to try and well educated enough to separate the wheat from the channeling chaff and ended up embarking on a 14 year collaboration with Jared that helped hundreds of his clients spawned an entirely new healing protocol And gave dr. Zinsser a spiritually guided dense and detailed masterclass on sights unseen beneath the hood of reality and the self that few of us are lucky enough to get

03:23 And wouldn't you know it, Dr. Zinsser was kind enough to pay it forward and inform the world of Jared's deep insights through his book Soul-Centered Healing A Psychologist's Extraordinary Journey into the Realms of Subpersonalities, Spirits & Past Lives He's since written two other books that function more as industry textbooks for professionals who want to take this work forward, entitled The Practice of Soul-Centered Healing Volume 1 Protocols and Procedures as well as the complimentary volume 2 Navigating the Inner World. It's a wild ride I think you'll all be happy to take so let's get into it! The entity detaching doctor and soul centered spiritual healer Dr Tom Zinzer welcome to the higher side

04:03 Well, Greg thank you much. I was looking forward to our talk today i've listened to a few of your interviews and I hope we can cover some territory Yes! I think we can this is going to be great. I actually heard about your work through reading the latest book of my friend and colleague Alex of The Skeptico Podcast Why Evil Matters? And it was the section about your work that I found the most interesting i went back and listen to your interview with him and was even more intrigued in the after reading the book i was just blown away, to read such lengthy detailed transcript of your conversations with jared as he explains the segments and hierarchy of the soul as well as three reality itself. It's a lot but outside of the cliff notes i was able to get there in the intro

04:53 Maybe walk the people through how this situation arose because it's clearly a pretty unique situation that you got yourself into. Well, it was 1987 and I started out as a psychologist and at the time was working with a number of clients diagnosed with multiple personality now called dissociative identity disorder and an approach to hypnotherapy called ego state therapy that recognizes that each of us has subpersonalities. And my focus was on helping clients to resolve trauma, usually from childhood and adolescence. I used this ego state approach for these dissociative conditions once I got into working

05:52 with multiple personalities and sub-personalities. It was still becoming difficult in the hypnotherapy, it seemed that as we approached a person's really deep trauma that had been kind of protected split off so most is if the closer I got to those traumas the more blocking interference dead ends it seemed That's the position I was in as you talked about that this wasn't good for my clients, it wasn't good for me to keep hitting dead ends. But it did happen as you said and Catherine overheard a conversation I had with a colleague and it involved kind of paranormal situation... And so she did come back to me couple days later and told me about Jared and asked if I would like to have a session with Jared

06:55 And up to that point, I never thought of having some kind of channeling session or a session with the medium. It just was not part of my thinking. I was pretty much an agnostic but I took the opportunity to have a talk for one hour and Jared gave me information in that session that it kinda blew me away. It had to do with a spirit attachment with a client I was working with And when I went back to that client the next week in our therapy session, I began to phrase my questions and my approach as if that in fact was the case. That there was some kind of entity attached and at that point this entity began to communicate clearly with me

07:51 As I ask questions, I would get responses and this was not happening before with this client. This is one of the dead ends that kept running into and now all of a sudden I'm in communication back-and-forth with this entity." So that's where it started in terms of getting into these other dimensions and him and Jared who told me not necessarily that day but within a couple of our sessions that he did read the client's soul in present time, which meant that what was happening between myself and the client in the session was something Jared would have access to. And so the next time I would meet with him we would be able to talk about what happened in that session and what got in the way or what came forward to block

08:48 Probably about after the third time I asked Catherine for a session, she and I did agree to have a collaboration where she would channel Jared. So that started this 14 year kind of journey That's a great summary and i'm sure people listening have all sorts of mixed feelings about channel material but because of your professional background in our roster clients that you are seeing that we're having trouble up until jared consultations it seems like you able to validate his advice pretty quickly that first session seemed pretty validating but

09:30 i'm sure there was still some doubt was this something when you got more confidence in this is it something that stacked up or was there a watershed moment where you just knew there was no going back that he was legit and this was the real deal. Dad i don't remember specific moment one that happened but it came pretty early probably after the third of four sessions with jared and he gave me more information about different clients and different difficulties, and it was all working. I mean the communication with different personalities, the communication with certain spirit entities... You know when you're communicating someone, you know when things are making sense back-and-forth And I was able to enter into dialogues with these subpersonalities With these spirits during his sessions during hypnosis session

10:31 at some point it's just this is real. I am communicating someone or some entity here." So, it was probably a little bit like you said stacked up gradually but fairly quickly coming to the point where this was the real deal. provocative and let's get people some more details about the contact protocol. Catherine would go into a trance and you ask questions that were answered in automatic writing fashion in the beginning but they elevated to verbal channeling, where even her voice change does that right yes we started out the first three meetings with jared were done was can't turn on automatic writing

11:17 So, we would sit at the table together. I would ask a question. Catherine is in trance. I would ask her question and she was start writing on this paper and I'd be reading that as she wrote. And then I would ask my question verbally but after about three or four automatic writing sessions, Catherine told me she was receiving the sense that she could communicate verbally if I wanted to And I told her, I'd be more than happy to do that as soon as she was ready. So probably about the fourth or fifth time I communicated with Jared it was verbal

11:59 And man, that's when it really took off. I mean you can cover a lot of territory verbally in dialogue that automatic writing took a lot of time so that was a big change and yes Jared's the demeanor emotion the voice it was all it was Jared So for me very distinct Wow so Catherine she had an experience in her youth where she went to do some writing and felt the presence of another intelligence trying to write through or and she shut it off for many years i understand until finally opening up to it later in life. And this was jared but did jared ever really comment on why he was so connected to catherine pretty much seemingly since childhood well,

12:52 Two things, one is early on with Jared he did say to me that each of us, each soul that incarnates here does have at least one spirit guide in their life. And Jared was Catherine's personal spirit guide so he had been with her I think for her entire life as her personal guide Did you ever get a sense of why some people have a stronger connection to these guys because using the term spirit guide it makes them seem like their whole purpose for existing is to guide an individual yet so many of us are completely ignorant of our own spirit guides so it seems like in existence to try to coach someone who doesn't even know you exist

13:49 And I just wonder, what is it about some people who have this connection to the point of actually being able to channel a guide and others not? Because I'm sure a lot of people listening would love to be able to strengthen that connection if they knew how to do it. Well, I think Greg, that's a tough question first in terms of our culture and this kind of information, this kind of viewpoint these kinds beliefs or way of looking at reality are not very well accepted officially in our culture. Even to talk about these kinds of things in a public official way is frowned on, it brings kind of negative feedback but I would say that many people who have some psychic ability may be aware of the spirit guide but I know that in my work with clients

14:53 working with someone's guide became pretty much a basic routine thing. So, my clients may not have been aware of or known about spirit guides when we started but they became knowledgeable experience that as our sessions continued. So I would say it's more on one hand you have people who are psychically more sensitive than others maybe but on the other hand our culture does not promote either. The kind of exploration, they are there if one begins to look into it

15:39 Fair enough. And I agree with you, it seems like this is a pretty empowering paradigm and it seems like the structure of our culture really doesn't want people to feel empowered they would prefer you just feel comfortable with your job on the assembly line putting on bottle caps and don't ask too many questions especially about the spiritual nature of your existence Yes spiritual outside certain parameters like what a number religions or churches set up And yes, they kind of keep you in the lane and to begin to delve into this kind of reality. You are talking about something that is quite empowering to individuals. And I have some suspicions like you are voicing that there other powers that don't necessarily want people to wake up to this. Right? So...

16:42 Yes, it's a touchy subject. It is but we do get an indication the further we look back in to time that it does seem like there were eras where this was more of a part of everyday life that people acknowledged that there was an unseen world and that we interacted with it regularly indigenous cultures That really don't have a voice on the main stage still feel that way and live that way And...that's Kind of interesting because clearly somebody knows something or would make its way to our society but there was a part where you ask jared about. The nature of himself and he said jared is the teacher of persons to stimulate growth of the soul,

17:26 in order that a person may grow towards the light. I am a high-level guide interested in growth through the attainment of loving attitudes on earth, and have lived at a level of spiritual existence only. I have not been an earth dweller but I have great interest and love for the loving natures of earth-experienced persons and so have elected to be a teaching guide to you there. I am not good at fortune telling, table wrapping or the Michigan lottery." And i love it! Jared's got jokes but that is some pretty interesting context for what he even is well jared from the beginning said that he has been a guide the entire time and has acted in that kind

18:14 position and that means involved with a number of incarnate souls over time. So the interesting thing he did share with me at one point is that he has never lived an incarnate life on Earth, but he had said materialized the body a couple times just to experience that. Wow! That was quite interesting to me. Yes, I did have a section later in this outline where i was going to ask you about that because there was a point where uh...you had a dialogue with him about just such a thing can souls or conspirates manifest physically and he did say yes it basically goes they're able to manifest physically? Yes! Without reincarnating? Yes well that's a pretty high level ability.

19:15 Jared went on to then talk about how dark souls with high level awareness and ability are able to approach the light directly for the purpose of becoming energized and then returning to the darkness. Enough of these energize souls acting in concert than could generate the energy needed for a dark soul to cross the boundary and manifest physical body, and that is so interesting obviously people see strange things they can't explain from time to time? Maybe this is what they're seeing. It's one possibility, but I'll tell you there are a lot of possibilities. Reality is so much more complex and layered and full of all kinds of things than most of us are aware. But yes, dark souls given the right conditions or circumstances can

20:07 with enough energy manifest physically. But at the same time, I would say that even more are those people who will tell you stories of how spirits of light have manifested physically to intervene, to help, to protect... There's many incidents where people feel they have been saved and helped by these guides There's many, many of those. So I would say even that is even more likely the case than the dark souls who you know they're pretty limited so this does not come easy for them to cross to this side and carry out things but it happens yes

21:03 Well, this context kind of makes that phrase ascended masters sound a little less cheesy because people do talk about that. And I'm always kind of on the fence about how much credence to give it this idea of oh Hermes and thought then through different eras we have these beings that come down and teach us but it seems like Jared would say that's very much possible. And has been the case, I think Right on yeah it's just that so wild and the book is great because you even have diagrams that help to illustrate the complex components of a person that jared laid out,

21:44 But help the listeners understand their own composition here it almost seems like just as our physical body is made up of separate parts that make the whole or that the human body could. Really be called more than ecosystem rather than a singular unit the unseen spiritual aspects of ourselves, seems kinda similar in those ways right i mean there's a lot of moving parts yes We are multi-level and multi conscious beings. But again, in our culture it is the ego conscious level that is emphasized. It's almost limited to being who we are that ego consciousness so our culture again presents a pretty narrow picture of who we are or what we are

22:40 That's one of the things Jared taught me over the years, is just how multi-leveled and multi-conscious beings we are. Mm hmm. It seems like based on his descriptions we have our soul supreme and then beneath that our higher self and then our conscious self, of course that we operate reality in And there's kind of a shell around that even that you call the protective self and then like a soup in subconscious of ego states and sub-personalities, even past life ego states. Earthbound spirit attachments and dark soul attachments gets to be quite a lot! Well it does...and it's one of the reasons I understood why I got so stuck before Jared. Things you can run into the things that do occur with people immensely complex multi-leveled

23:39 So I understood pretty well why I couldn't get past so many of these blocks. Yes, and talk to us about how subpersonalities or ego states are formed through even small traumas or overwhelming experiences when we're young and how they affect us in our lives because it seems like once they're born into existence they're kind of a part of us until we address them Yes, and they're part of us even after you address them only they start living in a nicer place. To start with the sub personality the understanding is that when the conscious self is in a situation which the person can no longer tolerate consciously it's too painful, It's to frightening, it's too confusing

24:38 When the conscious self is overcome with that kind of distress, fear and pain... The protective part of the mind which we can talk about but the protective part of the mind will be triggered. And in being triggered will create a sub personality to take over when that person can no longer tolerate it. The protective part will trigger the creation of a sub-personality to take over in that experience. And when that trauma, when that crisis has passed things have settled down or the person has gotten out of that situation then the sub personality will move... they don't dissolve or disappear, they moved to the unconscious level

25:34 And the conscious self then assumes consciousness again in the present. And at that point, then you have a dissociated sub personality existing at an unconscious level along with the conscious self. Now, the thing is – and this is so much of extremely important point that came through with Jared – these sub personalities I think in psychology the kind of thought of as one-dimensional memories. Jared taught me that these subpersonalities are conscious and alive, that I think of them now is psychic beings so you can talk to them they can understand what you're saying they can communicate back to you They know what they carry in terms of what happened So when i work with him and I communicate with him

26:41 What we are wanting to do is help relieve them from the pain, distress fear that they live in. To say a little bit more these subpersonalities they don't grow up once they've been created and moved to the unconscious mind they often are not aware of our present life or present time reality. They kind of live in that world in which they were created kind of like a bubble of reality and in that bubble of reality, they are still carrying their distress or confusion with pain. So in the healing process you can assist them to finally share what it is they've been carrying all this time and once they share that... It's as though that painful experience comes full circuit now to the conscious mind my client will receive some information about

27:45 what this sub personality has been carrying, what it experienced. Once that sharing is complete once it's come to the conscious level that pain can then be released and that is the whole point of the healing... Is having those sub personalities release the pain because then they can come forward and look in the present and see the things have changed. It's not what it was when they were created and there is a place of integration in light within the self that they can move to once they've released the pain. If they try to move into that integrated place of light before the pains released, it will be uncomfortable if not distressing because the light will bring up their pain. So once you're released from that pain though, they can move into what we call that place of integration. Wow!

28:50 This is what we're looking at. Those subpersonalities are most often created in childhood and early adolescence, when the person has not really developed a very strong self-identity yet, does not really develop strong ego defenses yet hasn't developed they kind of social persona to be dealing with other people yet so they can overcome children early adolescence can be overcome pretty easily. And these subpersonalities then, most of them are created in that kind of age range but they can be created at any time the person cannot consciously tolerate what's happening so if somebody is in an automobile accident at age 35 they can have a sub-personality created in that experience if it's overwhelming

29:52 What would you say that many of us have made these subpersonalities in situations that we aren't even consciously aware of as adults? Is there a way we can look inside ourselves and see what kind of passengers were subconsciously carrying along without seeking outside assistance. It's very good question, there is several maybe different ways to answering it one is Yes, people can at least get a glimpse of these subpersonalities if they are willing to catch themselves when they are in the midst of an intensive emotional reaction. Because these subpersonalities when they are triggered... The person, the conscious person often is not sure of why they are so emotionally

30:53 distraught or reactive. So, if you catch yourself in kind of an intense emotional reaction that seems disproportionate to what's going on where it feels like it's coming out of nowhere at that point If one could they could sit back and reflect on that And they may very well be able to get onto the path That leads back To the base of that reaction So, let's say you had a child five years old. They got slapped and yelled at by a parent who just kind of wasn't doing well... That child could create or the protective part could trigger the creation of a sub-personality who was so frightened by what the parent was doing feeling maybe that love being threatened that a sub personality is created

31:53 20 years later, they may be in a situation where there's an authority figure that comes at them. A boss or maybe even an older parent now older and that sub personality can be triggered because something is happening that resembles what kind of matches their traumatic experience? So if the person catches those kinds of reactions they may be able to kind of trace back or get a feeling at least where this is coming from. They may be able to look at methods, meditative methods to help them follow such a path when it occurs the problem and this is a lot of where the hypnotherapy comes in, the approach is that these subpersonalities are created originally to protect us that is they're created so you do not remember what happened

32:59 They're created so you don't feel what was going on. So years later, if you try to get in touch with them it may be very difficult to get through the protections that were created to keep you away from this in the first place. So again, that's what I was running into... The protective part of the self before I met Jared and I was doing hypnosis I think the protective part saw me as a bull in a china shop. Because, I'd be sitting down with the clients trying to address trauma and I think the protective part was saying wait hold on a minute here you're not going to get there they were protecting that's what they were created to do so that's a difficulty when you doing self-work is really have to able wear two hats at once

34:04 One is the one who's wanting to ask the questions, but the other hat is that part of you that experienced something that was overwhelming and there's not necessarily going to want to remember it or come forward. Or other parts of the self don't wanted to come forward? Or if there are outside attachments they may not want to allow those parts to come forward and that's where we really run into the complexity in the difficulty of healing these levels of the self. But there are people who can do that themselves, I just don't know how frequently that's the case.

34:47 and let's get more detailed concept of the higher self obviously we're all familiar with the term but i like this quote where you say, the soul is a repository for all knowledge and information past lives in present when i speak of the higher self i'm usually speaking of the soul in activity. So it's kinda like our souls are library in the higher self is the librarian is that a good analogy Let me think about that. The soul as a repository carries all of its experience and we're talking there not only through maybe many lifetimes, but there are other dimensions of reality that a soul is involved in which would not be involved in during our Earth conscious lifetime

35:40 So the soul is a repository, and these are Jared's words. The soul is the repository of these experiences and then he called the higher self or the spirit, the active part of the soul. And it's that active part that is present in our life again some people are very aware of it others are not at all now we each have a higher self and Jared described that originally. He said, it's as though the soul projects a piece of itself into that person when they are born and into the present life. So, it says if you have an active part of the soul with you in your lifetime then is able to function in a number of ways. And it has a great deal more knowledge not only at one's present life than what has happened

36:47 but also in terms of past lifetimes. And if the higher self does not have that when you ask the question, the higher self is capable of moving into the soul to review and find information that may be necessary for the healing that's underway. The higher self also has the ability – well, Jared talked about higher self as our direct connection to our souls light and to the divine light, that the higher self is always that connection. So the higher self is able to see these subpersonalities, it's aware of them and if the sub-personality gives permission, higher self can send light love energy to that sub personality. And this is another very powerful thing is that when that sub personality feels that light

37:58 99.90% of the time, in my experience over thousands of sessions once a sub personality touches and receives that light it changes completely if he comes on board with the healing process and maybe frightened about the sharing but it's willing to start moving through that higher self can stay with their sub personality even while does its sharing to give support The higher self is immensely, immensely helpful in the healing process. And there are a lot of people more so than with subpersonalities, a lot of people do I think feel their higher self, feel their connection to that soul light know that they're more than just this physical body

38:53 But higher self also has a great deal of ability to assist. Higher self can be in touch with one's higher level guide, so when the healing process... When I have a client in trance, I will ask higher self, are you aware of John's high-level guide at this time? And if I get a yes then that's great! I'll include that guide at times in the healing If higher self says no, I'll ask higher self if it's willing to make contact with that high-level guide now. So the higher level guides also have that kind of connection with higher self and they can work together as well.

39:46 These are the three probably central parts getting with soul-centered healing is working with the protective part to make sure it's in agreement that we do the hypnosis, that would go inside. And then making contact with higher self to make sure higher self is open and good connection able communicate clearly and once that okay then will begin to review the inner world for where the healing is needed And that's when higher self may begin to identify these subpersonalities that are causing difficulty for the client. Again, just getting traumas triggered or getting afraid of things and having these subpersonalities trigger. So that's kind of the three first steps – protective part contact with higher self and then begin to identify who is carrying the pain or fear or hurt

40:49 So that's kind of a thumbnail. Sketch i love it clearly we got a lot going on and when it comes to the sub personality parts of ourselves that are hanging out in the soup of our subconscious as you say they really have their own autonomy and free will, edit through these parts of ourselves the sub personalities that other spirits entities can get there hooks into us but they need. Some form up consent to enter our psyche and u right These did not have to be explicit agreements or even made it a conscious level. Most, in fact were not most of these deals were made with ego states at an unconscious level can you tell us a little more about the tricks and the deals that these entities make to get the consent that they need? It's not always straightforward as you say yes and now we're moving into kind of a fourth

41:47 important element, that is the existence of spirits. Discarnate souls and these spirits... And again our terminology is limited we might most often I hear referred to as the astral plane but these spirits existing at the astral plane they also vary and The three kind of categories that Jared gave me were earthbound spirits, and these are spirits who when the person passed they did not go to the spirit realm of light. Which is where we really oughta head too once we leave the body. And there are a number of reasons spirits will remain earthbound and in that state they can attach to a place

42:47 you know, maybe their home that they loved. It's what they know and that's where we would talk about a haunting or spirits present in someone's home or in some building but the others are what we would call attached spirits where they attach to a person not a place and to go even further a spirit may actually enter one's soul energy, their aura and that's a little more serious, still earthbound but a little more serious. Then there is what Jared called kind of the mischievous spirits they have not gone to the light when the body died but they also have more awareness of what's going on and they do travel making travel from person-to-person They develop some awareness of how to engage with people

43:51 who are incarnate, who are in the body and they've kind of learned some of those tricks. And then you have the third kind Jared talked about which are those souls that have become aligned with darkness. And one of the things that Jared said is every one of these are still soul. They are always souls of light Even those who have gotten involved in darkness may be pulled deeper and deeper into darkness. Jared would said they are souls of light, and he said as souls of light they need the light energy but they are not willing to go to the spirit realm of life to get it

44:42 So, you've got earthbound spirits who usually are not aware of the spirit realm of light. They just try and stay close to Earth maybe with a family member or somebody who shares something that's a match for them. The mischievous spirits they do know about the light but they want to stay wrapped up here in these lower levels – the astral level, the earth level and then the dark souls and they are the ones have a lot of sort of tricks and knowledge about making connection to people on Earth. And I guess the best way to explain it is that they... Boy, it's a big universe, Greg! The Earth-bound spirits usually attach to someone because they share something in common. And the example that you use more often as if you have somebody maybe with an addiction to alcohol or drugs

45:53 they may attract a spirit who itself was addicted. In that sense, they form a match and these matches between spirits and their experience in the people who are incarnate – they vary so especially with children you have a spirit who comes in is able to offer sub personality offer that sub personality at toy well if that child takes that toy That's an agreement

46:30 the soul has now engaged with that spirit and the spirit takes that as a permission. If you've got somebody who's terrified, and they're calling on help and they don't care who comes to help, a spirit may step in to engage and then as time goes on, it may exercise more and more influence on the person and it becomes not so good. You've got people who use a Ouija board and then a lot of people are afraid about the Ouija board They sit down when they're experimenting and they're basically asking anybody who wants to communicate through the Ouija board come forward. And that's a mistake, if you want to use the Ouija board it's best to protect yourself To request only high-level guides from the light who might be willing to communicate Otherwise you are giving an open invitation and you don't know who is going to respond in that invitation Once you allow them in

47:42 It's almost like an analogy on the physical level. It is as though you let in a bacteria or virus, and once it's in, it may start to do some things on its own. May begin to take over more territory in that psychic realm Yes i'm glad you use that analogy because as i was reading your book i started to think about spiritual hygiene kind of similarly to our robustness of our immune system we can do a lot of damage to our immune system and then were affected by things that might not affect our neighbor who.

48:17 a little more responsible with their immune system. And almost the same can be said about our spiritual self, if it's fractured, if its damaged, if its weakened then we are more vulnerable to these things in the spiritual dimension but the same entities might not affect our neighbors if they are taking care of themselves spiritually and engaging in some practice of spiritual hygiene when i talk to a cultist or magicians, they usually talk about the lesser banishing ritual the pentagram or some type of protection spell and they talk about it in this sense of like.

48:54 taking a spiritual shower. We take a shower for our physical body every day, but we don't do anything for our spiritual self and there are time-tested techniques that seem a little weird in modern culture that do actually help to provide us with some spiritual hygiene would you agree? Yes There is a great deal more assistance and protection available from the light And those guides who assist us if we would use that and I would say, we're not even talking about having to set up formal rituals. But if you during your day continue to ask the light and continue to have spirit guides, continue to ask your own higher self to surround you with light... Not just for protection even, that's part of it!

49:55 but also to help you kind of begin to live in accord with that high level divine light resonance. And, to ask that assistance... I do it all the time so if I'm going to take a trip, I'm asking the guys just around my car was light. If I begin to feel bit of a cold coming on, I will ask healing guides to work with me during the night I will do that to my family, for my family and friends asking guides. It's what people call prayer. And I think what's not clear to people is that's available to us those guides in that light are higher self... That is all available to us and we can be surrounded with that connected with that day-in day out so in some sense you just have to ask but on the other hand

51:03 People can get wrapped up in things that they get to be dark and people on the inner world, there can be parts that block one's guide from coming forward. Let's say that an 11 year old had something happen and it's so painful and frightening... And they felt betrayed and I got angry at God as a little kid, The god that leads if they were being taught and a sub personality was created, and that's our personality now is angry at God. And that's where they live. And let's say that that sub-personality becomes aware of a high level guide approaching to assist or not just approaching them but the person coming closer... That 11 year old may keep the guide away in the guide will not violate that 11 year olds free choice

52:08 to receive or not receive that guide's contact. So, that is one of the complicating issues and one of the powerful things about this healing is being able to identify what or who stops the light or blocks the light or is uncomfortable with the light or these dark souls that get involved with someone, they'll make sure that someone on the inside of the person keeps blocking that light or stays afraid of it. And I think Greg, that's one of the difficulties in talking about this healing process once you begin working with someone's inner world we absolutely do not know what's going to present

53:01 Yeah, and everyone is on an absolutely unique soul journey through lifetimes. So the healing process you just never know who you're going to find there so you just have to work with it. Yeah that definitely keeps the work fresh at least the day-to-day And that's kind of something I thought was really interesting is that it seems like the premier feature of reality is choice and we have the choice to go alone but like you say help is just a spirit call away and of course, when it comes to alex in his focus on your work it was really about evil. And i think there's so many fascinating things about this work evil is one of them but it seems like because choices the primary thing that the entire system wants to preserve and respect

53:59 that true evil as opposed to darkness is when an entity violates choice and that is the worst thing you could do. End this reality maybe doesn't even have a negative connotation like maybe you think your, Like an overbearing parent perhaps could like really take that to extreme degree and put their kid in a bubble and never let them experience anything out of their own fear but, anything on the spectrum that can be defined as limiting choice is what jared would consider to be evil and the greatest violation. Of one's experience is that right

54:40 Well, you know I would qualify it Greg because this is one of the issues I struggled with as I began to talk with Jared about this. When we're talking about that free choice, Jared's communication to me is that the Creator, The Light call it God whatever you want to call it guaranteed the absolute free choice for each soul but that is the soul nature and when we talked about Children growing up with their parents or adults getting into some kind of struggle with each other. If we tell the child they got to go to bed now and the child starts complaining, crying and I want her bad well that's not violating your soul choice. The violation as opposed to telling a child they have to go to better than i going to school

55:44 is if you were to take abusive action to a child, and your intent is to make them submit. If your intent is to control them in a way that they are terrified and will do what you tell them to do. So that issue of intent and the depth of control you want to carry out over someone. And so it has to be distinguished from

56:20 You know, being a boss who's telling an employee they do need to do such and such this way. That's not a violation of their sole choice. The person could say okay well I quit so i would just make that distinction in violating the soul choice you're talking about a deep kind of action yeah and it's complex And I am curious to the extent this modality has expanded. The results should speak for themselves, and I know that you have other books aimed at professionals. Is the field expanding? This protocol of soul-centered healing – are more practitioners operating from the Book of Jared? Well, I've just finished a first level training with some hypnotherapists

57:12 I've just posted a notice, I'm announcing that I am going to start another training course for hypnotherapists. However because of the depth and complexity of this... This is a training that is very clinically intensive so I am only training groups of like six at a time." And they are having to have at least one volunteer client that they're working with through this time. And then when we meet, I'll do instructional kinds of things but then we will also be doing case discussion about what's come up in their work so it's very focused on developing the clinical protocols and having them practice the clinical protocols

58:07 I've learned to experience that giving workshops and giving this kind of information intellectually, it doesn't do the trick if the person doesn't put it into practice. And you really have to practice it. So anyway... The training is going on small groups at a time and in the time I have left here, I plan to do these kinds of trainings if there's the interest Yes i would love to see this sort of framework really just permeate out and change the whole feel the psychology in change healing if you ever train anybody in southern california let me know because i would love to seek out someone who has had this training that's what's difficult sometimes is. You know i talk to so many guests about alternative modalities and then it's like well there's nowhere to go actually,

59:07 have a person who's a professional use those techniques because they're just so under the radar. So yeah, keep me posted if you train anyone out here but of course people should pick up the book Soul Centered Healing if they really want to get into the details You yourself aren't doing clinical work anymore but you do have a website people should check out and know about it they want to follow-up on this work right? Anything else to leave them with I don't think so The books in the website and I do hope more and more practitioners are trained. The other thing, Greg is in this day and age of COVID it's also developed to do remote work with Zoom or Skype that can be a little more difficult than working in person

59:59 But that also is a viable thing for a number of people. Not everybody is gonna be conducive to that kind of remote work, but a lot of people are... so that fits in here somewhere. So right now the people I am training they are working remotely with people because of COVID And I suspect that, I worked with people remotely before COVID too. But that wasn't my favorite way to work and it wasn't with a whole lot of clients but as I've seen over the years now it's something that can be done.

1:00:42 I love it. I will definitely keep that in mind as well and this has just all been so fascinating, i really appreciate you coming here to break it all down and big thanks to Jared wherever he is! And for you take care and keep fighting the good fight Well and the same to you, thank you again for the invitation chance kind of talk about my friend Jared and just want the light to keep growing Amen It's been a pleasure Me too Greg Oh man people, this is what it's all about. Spirit being insights from the other side! Provocative...provocative I've had a lot of requests for Law of One material lately and that stuff is interesting but there's no shortage of coverage on it This though Is pretty Law of One adjacent Jared's insights when it got to the big picture stuff in The Second Hour are pretty similar

1:01:41 And it's also new to a much bigger portion of this audience, I think. This is a great case study of entity contact because Dr. Zinsser was actually able to help a lot people with Jared's information so it's less likely that it came from the secretary herself and really its not that complex Western psychology is just working with a flawed model It seemed like once the model was corrected, it wasn't too difficult to be effective in most cases that Dr. Zinsser was dealing with. It's really just another notch in the belt of traditional shamanism! That's something that came up in the last joint session show too but I'm pretty convinced that shamanic healing is about as effective as anything can be We've heard many stories on this show but it keeps coming up for me in strange ways and

1:02:35 I look at what Dr. Zinsser is doing as essentially the same thing, as does he we talked about that a bit but healing disembodied parts of the self in these psychic or spiritual space that emerge out of traumas and just hang around in the soup of our subconscious oftentimes with a real physical or mental ailment that corresponds to it And honestly, I thought this stuff was a bit hokey and cheesy even just like a couple years ago Yeah, maybe it's great for a spiritual cleanse or an emotional resetting or something vague and minor like that. But now my opinions have changed stack up at least half a dozen guests who've brought little anecdotes up here in their stories of seeing people that have walked for the first time in years after visiting a shaman in the jungle along with thousands of clinical cases we have with Dr Zinsser well

1:03:35 I'm getting pretty convinced over here, you know? Outside of physical damage from an accident or something or a poisoning with some sort of toxic chemical or being around mold or something outside of those cases i think this is probably the biggest factor that goes unexplored when it comes to our health. Going upstream far enough to heal the foundational cause and not just treating the symptoms that we see on our side Pretty far out, I know. But this is where the roads have been leading me and when you look up shamanic healing in your own area... ...I think you'd be surprised how much of it there is and the kinds of things that'll say on the website they're able to deal with. I was! So on top of The Law Of One stuff, I had some other requests to get weird again since that last episode And hopefully this scratched the weird itch

1:06:53 It's no small thing. I hope you at least come away respecting Dr. Zinzer's work for these reasons, Jared? I gotta give it up to you for your role in all this! Kinda cool for him to have shared what he did and us maybe hear a few lessons from some sort of Ascended Master type here to help people get back on track I'm into it. Thanks for tuning in, guys! I'm getting out of here Your move consciousness deniers conventional paradigm proppers and gatekeepers of the old ways your fucking move When you see weird lights outside of your door Something sits on your chest when you sleep It might be a pattern You've been through before

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