Dr. Robert Malone | Lies My Government Told Me, The Medical Industrial Complex, & The Transhumanist Plan

00:00 These days, so many podcast hosts just riff through unprepared segments until they get to the next ad break for pills they know nothing about cheap razors and whatever else they can get a buck from. But The Hiresite Chats does it differently! We succeed or fail on the quality of the content and your desire to hear more of it So you're about to hear another free first hour episode. It's here to prove the two-hour shows are worth subscribing for five shows a month for just $8

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01:33 These are the Hireside Chats. Serenity now, Hireside Chatters from sunny San Diego! I'm Greg Carlwood and the Plandemic Scamdemic Get an Online Bandemic era has not been easy on anyone We saw coordination between the big biomedical industrial complex governments around the world in corporate media that should worry us all as to just how centralized and absolute the global system is when it wants to flex its muscles Legacy Media hyped up the fear porn, threw a 24-7 death counter in our faces and constantly reminded us of just how bad we were for not having full blind trust in the preapproved experts.

02:09 Hospitals got in line to follow harsh protocols handed down from on high and amplified COVID numbers in a pay-to-play scheme as many of the masked masses said goodbye to isolated loved ones over Zoom. Nearly worldwide lockdowns were implemented, and small businesses were not allowed to operate while the McDonald's drive through line had never been longer contributing to one of the largest transfers of wealth to the billionaire class we've ever seen Doctors, scientists and medical journalists who did break ranks with the one true narrative were censored demonized and stripped of their credentials. And of course we were coerced pressured and shamed to take an untested vaccine of which the truth fallout still isn't fully known it all worked towards a dystopian police state nightmare trial run that makes even the most creative Hollywood filmmakers jealous

02:54 But in the eye of the cytokine storm were some high-profile people like today's guest, Dr. Robert Malone who did try to align with the truth rather than the system's shaky story and regardless of his credentials in this area he was attacked as hard as anyone Most of us who stepped outside the mainstream bubble should be well aware of Dr. Malone, but for the uninitiated he got his medical degree from the Northwestern Feinberg School of Medicine completed the Harvard Medical School Fellowship as a global clinical research scholar and was scientifically trained at The University of California at Davis The University of California at San Diego and the Salk Institute Molecular Biology and Virology Laboratories

03:33 He served as an assistant and associate professor of pathology and surgery at the University of California, Davis, the University of Maryland, and the Armed Forces University of Health Sciences. He has approximately 100 scientific publications with over 12,000 citations of his work as well as being an internationally recognized scientist slash physician and the original inventor of mRNA vaccination as a technology DNA vaccination and multiple non-viral DNA & RNA slash mRNA platform delivery technologies He holds numerous fundamental domestic and foreign patents in the fields of gene delivery, delivery formulations and vaccines including for fundamental DNA & RNA-slash-mRNA vaccine technologies.

04:20 But that's not all folks, he also has a brand new book out called Lies My Government Told Me and The Better Future Coming. That not only chronicles his story and expert analysis of what happened but is also filled with essays and chapters from some of the brightest medical minds that were willing to break ranks with the establishment during the COVID crisis He came from the belly of the beast, had the balls to speak the truth and it's a pleasure to have him here. The medical tyranny teacher mass formation psychosis suggestor and thorn in the side of the big system Dr Robert Malone welcome to The Higher Side Hi Greg, that's quite an introduction. Well I am honored man and your credentials are very impressive and me being a guy who is typically skeptical of the mainstream machine i was very lucky to have people like yourself and other experts like Pierre Corey Peter McCullough and Gert van den Borscht to look towards and show my own friends and family to say hey these guys opinions are as professional as anyone and clearly not everybody agrees with all this stuff and that was crucial

05:20 I also really enjoyed the book, lots of very important info in there. Your first chapter lays it right out titled How i got redpilled and the gradual reveal and I think we've both gone over the nitty-gritty medical details of COVID ad nauseum at this point but as a person who did get red pilled and now writes about The World Economic Forum even in the book What would you say about that red-pilling process if you were addressing people that haven't seen past their trust in the establishment, the media this corporate medical nexus and their real intentions? So... You're kind of touching on the biggest problem of all. Which is how do you break through people that are completely wrapped up in the narrative That aren't in this state of what seems like hypnosis

06:11 where they cannot hear information, they aren't willing to encounter information that will cause them to have what the psychiatrists and psychologists call cognitive dissonance. Where they have to encounter ideas that are uncomfortable and unfamiliar to them? How do you break through those folks? And you're there... You talk about me being in the belly of a beast but as somebody who grew up in California born in Palo Alto, raised along the beaches of Goleta. When I've gone back to California now over the last few years, I hardly recognize the place. California is as a culture very much wrapped up in the official narrative and globalist kind of frame of reference in a way that I find stunning for a state and people in my experience that has historically valued personal freedom.

07:12 So what do you say to them about this journey that they may or may not be willing to take? How do you break through in my case, it's been a gradual stepwise progression. And we've all been subjected to sort of a ratchet where things get normalized over time increasingly things propaganda censorship Other things that we used to think only existed under the CCP Chinese Communist Party model, now become normalized here in the United States and in Europe and throughout the Western world. I remember vividly early on last fall, we had a couple of rallies in Hawaii

08:07 that being the physicians associated with the Medical Freedom Movement, because a couple of our colleagues were being subjected to efforts to remove their licenses and their ability to practice medicine. And so a number of us flew out to Maui and then over to Oahu to try to support our colleagues in the Medical Freedom Movement in Hawaii. I gave a talk at a park on a walk in which I spoke about how it had not been so long ago that i felt sorry for the people of china who had to live in an environment in which their internet was carefully controlled, their access to information all they have available was the endorsed political propaganda everything was filtered and they were subjected to all these

09:12 really kind of mind control methods, the automatic identification through biometrics of their personal identity. The constant surveilling of whatever they were corresponding and yet here we are and it's become normalized here in the West and in United States now just a couple days ago, the G20 organization has announced together with the president of the United States that they want to move forward with global health passports. In an environment in which you will not be able to travel if you're there in San Diego, outside of the United States, you potentially would not be able to cross the Mexican border

10:05 unless you had a digital health passport and a digital ID that would identify you as having complied with whatever the policies were, that would come down from the World Health Organization. That's the kind of thing that's in play right now and this is not a conspiracy theory. This is actively advocated. And so I think for those who have been very captured by the corporate media and by that narrative, and buy these amazingly powerful psychological management tools that have been developed in deployed. Ranging from nudge technology which is so widespread now but we don't even question it through to the constant monitoring of even private channels and private google sites

11:05 in which people are being monitored and censored. That is the kind of thing that eventually breaks through to a number of people, and then when it does they often say well it's all for the better you know for instance Mr Obama has been promoting this logic now for well over a decade that democracy is threatened by information and it's necessary to censor in order to preserve democracy. Last I checked, that's kind of a complete inversion of the original intent of the founders and i think complete inversion of the intent of most us so for those colleagues friends fellow travelers listeners here on your show that are not ready to really question

12:06 the information coming from the CDC and the World Health Organization, even though The New York Times itself has said that the CDC has become politicized and that it's been withholding information about COVID crisis and the safety of vaccines all the way through. Even if they're not ready to question that I suggest that they might want to just take a moment and think about the world as their experiencing now and ask themselves, is this really the world that I want to leave to my children? Is this the trajectory that i want to be on. And maybe I had the benefit of growing up in the 60's and 70's in California In a school system That really sought to educate and prepare students for their future

13:02 In my case, because I was tracked as a gifted and talented student something that is not really allowed now in the California education system. When i was in fourth and fifth grade I was reading Orwell and The Death of Socrates and all Shakespeare those kinds of things but I was exposed to Brave New World in 1984 Animal Farm and all those core texts that warn us about totalitarian future And so perhaps I was a little more sensitized and aware as these things are rolling out. But for the general audience, as i always say, I don't know...I don't purport to offer the only truth or even to suggest that you believe everything that I say. I think you should question everything! I think you need to think for yourself

13:59 And my mission of the last two years is become one of trying to help people to think for themselves and help them to access information i spent countless numbers hours on podcasts just trying to coach people in the fundamentals. The technology involved in the rna vaccines because it's so confusing so many people Mm-hmm. Well said I certainly agree It was easy to sit back and feel sorry for Chinese citizens and buy into this illusion of a censorship free society And or internet without any less

14:35 Let's call it truth curation, but not so much anymore. And I'm glad you brought up the G20 and the world leaders all coming to the agreement that digital health certificates and vaccine passports are necessary even now when a lot of people think we've weathered this storm things are open again were past it if they didn't lose their job If they navigated at all right It feels like the pressure is pretty much gone But I think that's just temporary when you hear about meetings and commitments like this And who knows what the Who might say is needed in the future to travel. But you bring up Orwell, Brave New World and having read books like that. So I got to ask you a tough question now. Now, I know you've addressed the controlled opposition concern in other interviews and you write about it in the book too And its masterful to say hey don't worry so much about me as an individual just listen to what im saying think for yourself and do your own research and honestly to me thats all I really need any person to say

15:36 But your background in all of this does go deep with long-standing involvement with the biodefense sector of the US military pharmaceutical industrial complex. I've heard you say in other interviews, you've been deeply embedded in the whole enterprise. Your business partner was a CIA agent and a leading expert in gain-of-function bio weaponry. These are reasons why some people might be skeptical of a guy with your resume but I'm curious why you weren't skeptical sooner? If you just look at the history of the CIA or even the history these companies, if a person Googles who are the most heavily fined companies in history and then you remove all the banks.

16:15 Your top six are BP, Volkswagen, Pfizer, Merck, Glasgow SmithKline and Johnson & Johnson. How could anyone legitimately trust these medical corporations with scandal after scandal payout after payout? I'm thankful you're speaking out now. I'm a big fan and nobody's perfect but now it sounds like you did have some early context in the laundry list of reasons to be skeptical of these organizations goes back decades doesn't it If that's how you want to see the world, again it's not about me. I had through a series of events going back to my time at the Salk when i got caught in this ugly patent battle between the Salk Institute and University California San Diego over what I had created as a young man 28 years old and I ended up with nervous breakdown post-traumatic stress disorder

17:18 And I had, for instance my mentor who became head of the Salk told me directly that if I left at that point in time. I would never get an NIH grant and by God I didn't! I've had to work at the fringes in order to make my living and work in a way that I stayed below the radar really didn't have ever real option to become a mainstream academic I've had a series of events that led me down the path, they did bring me into the bio-defense sector after the anthrax attacks. I had started a business that currently operates in San Diego called Inovio and at the time it was an Norwegian company based in part on technology that I created at University Maryland. The Norwegian investors pulled back after the planes hit towers

18:22 and the Pentagon. I was living in Rockville outside of DC at the time, and I was left with no income, no way forward if a company had just started had basically contracted and collapsed because the investors pulled back. And a friend of mine opened a door to my joining that company that it just received the contract for all biodefense medical countermeasures for the Department of Defense. This is Dynport vaccine company up in Frederick, Maryland which is right outside of USAMRID, the nation's biodefense capital and so I was brought into that world and have done my best with a firm belief that there was a mission there that needed to be addressed. That mission being protecting the populace and protecting the warfighters

19:22 From the double threats of emerging infectious disease as well as engineered by pathogens and i've lived in that world for quite a while i know it very well, is there any much enriched. People are linked to the intelligence community you can't work in that business and not have those contacts made little bit statement i think your crossing Darrell galloway once was my business partner after he retired from us army and had been cia trained. Another gentleman michael callahan who is somebody that i've collaborated with the co published with particularly on speaker who was the guy that called me from one on january fourth of twenty twenty but thats a small detail i think it's a fair question in my response is

20:28 Focus on the information i'm providing you know we've had a long history of whistleblowers essentially. That come to a point where they encounter things that they think are just fundamentally wrong and they decided to speak out and i really want those people this is not the first time that i've been a whistle blower, I destroyed my career in gene therapy by speaking out about what i knew concerning the death of Jesse Gelsinger, this young man that was essentially killed by one of the leading gene therapy researchers at the University of Pennsylvania Jim Wilson. And I was taking bioethics training at the time and my professor mentor

21:18 After i told you what i knew about what transpired there, tell me that i had a moral obligation to speak out and speak to the press about what i need an idea knowing that it would damage or destroy my career in that sector. And get dead but i was a key source for number of people including keyboard from new york times and then story did become widely circulated and did cause major changes in the gene therapy sector industry so i've been through this before, and i recovered i had to rebuild my career in a different way. So when it came to this point and i could see that the things that i have been trained on for years and years and years

22:09 the things that I practiced having to do with biomedical ethics and norms in clinical and non-clinical research were being breached. Not only were they being breached, and disregarded but it was involving this specific technology that I gave birth to in the late 80s. I suddenly found myself in a position where again I had to make a choice keep my mouth shut like most of my colleagues did Or speak out and say this is wrong, what is going on? And this is gonna put people at risk. And then when having done that just spoken truth for instance on the Brett Weinstein podcast Dark Horse Podcast with Steve Kirsch and then experiencing rather than a intellectual discussion or dialogue about well you know what am I saying Is it true

23:10 should we address these things what came back was this very unilateral heavy handed to tell a story and response in the press. End of the government that essentially sought to deny my even having a voice even though this is the technology that i help convert you, end up speaking about things that are widely knowledge throughout my industry is enormously damaging And then that kind of set me down a road having experience that you have a challenge do you shut up which is what they want or do u find ways to break through their firewall. Control information censorship defamation all these little tricks that they developed over decades

24:03 And in my case, I chose to try to break through by just throwing myself into alternative media into the podcast. And I don't know how many hundreds of podcasts I've done at first, I would take a podcast with anybody. Each podcast is unique community was a fascinating journey and some of them I kind of wished you know as they were rolling out that I hadn't accepted that one but but it is what it is and so This storyline of whether i'm controlled opposition is that is a term that has often been weaponized in an often comes to four at this stage of political movements. And one of the things it's been kind of fascinating part of this journey, is that it's now documented that one of the key people that were pushing this story line is a serial infiltrator and disruptor

25:06 was very involved in disrupting the American trucker protest movement and has been extremely divisive in the medical freedom community. And this storyline of promoting that I or others are controlled opposition, it turns out has been a favorite historic weapon. In the case of this woman that I'm gonna withhold her name here but For instance, your readers can look up the Themis report and there are others out there right now about this individual. She's been very effective in multiple protest movements she has ties to people that are being disrupting protest movements in Europe and just to put the icing on the cake I don't know if you know Mickey Willis? Yes! He's become a personal friend. Mickey has

26:12 As this was happening, I spoke to him and he said that as you may know he originally comes from what we would call the left in Ojai Valley. And then when they put out Plandemic they basically ran him out of town but he has a long history of being involved in protest movements and his comment right off the bat was this language of controlled opposition has been historically used and weaponized to destroy these communities for decades now. And so my position on this, it's a little bit like are you controlled opposition is kind of like the question have you stopped beating your wife? In a world in which and I'm very familiar with this the people that are in the intelligence community that our CIA operatives not the analysts

27:13 They're all trained to lie. Michael Callahan is a trained liar and it's, if you get an interface with these people you have to have that constantly in mind and you can often triangulate truth and derive insighted meaning but you have to be very very aware that their ethics about integrity, truth and transparency are completely different from yours and mine. But that's the world of necessity because I believed in the unmet need, the mission to protect all of us from emerging infectious disease and bioweapons. In particular, to protect because that's been my base, my funding base and that's been my primary customer to protect the warfighter. The modern warfighter faces a very challenging landscape right now and the people planning for that environment

28:19 And just to kind of illustrate the nature of the threat, I'm so opposed to the fear porn that gets exploited all the time. You know notably by CNN and Washington Post and New York Times in the main corporate outlets but the truth is that infectious disease has been used as a biologic weapon for centuries. Centuries? Well here for instance think it through American Indians were given blankets that had been used by people that had active smallpox. That's biowarfare, there were a series of pathogens that were developed and weaponized for biowarefare purposes through the end of World War II and this is just a fun fact to have in mind

29:17 The US government is on track, the Department of Defense. And it's important to remember that Tony Fauci isn't just the NIAID. Tony Fauci sits on top of the entire biodefense establishment, DOD and HHS okay? But that enterprise is on track if nothing goes wrong using more traditional vaccine technology to be able to deploy vaccines that are safe and effective, hopefully for all of the known warfare bio-warfare pathogens through the end of World War II. They will have vaccines for all of those on a current schedule by 2050, a full century after they were deployed. Here's another fun fact and this'll come out in Bobby Kennedy's next book in more detail. The Japanese notoriously

30:17 had a very advanced bio-warfare program and they deployed some of their bio warfare agents on the Chinese during the Second World War. And I'm going to give you some little insights into that, that you'll learn more about in Bobby's book. They had a large prisoner facility in which they kept the prisoners well fed. You may recall that the Japanese internment camps were notorious for starving and overworking prisoners to death But in this particular camp they kept them well fed, they were in cells and the cells had little holes and they would stick their arms out through those holes. And be inoculated with whatever the biopathogen was that was being developed. Now this is a little shocking but I'm intentionally sharing it because I want you to understand the ethics

31:11 They would take those prisoners and they would autopsy them when they were alive. Because they believed that if they killed him first, then it would bias the scientific results. Now what happened is after the end of World War II, that program and its personnel was functionally divided between the United States and what became the People's Republic of China. Some of those scientists went to work for the Chinese, and carried on as a biowarfare program for China. And just like Werner Von Braun and the missile scientists from Germany were imported into the United States and gave rise to our NASA programs, a number of those scientists from the old Japanese program were brought to USAMRID in Frederick, Maryland

32:01 and set up the biowarfare program here for the United States military. The point is that I, unbeknownst to me there has been a long-standing undercurrent within the bio warfare and then biodefense community in the United States that sees ethics as something that's very fungible you know it's an ethics of very utilitarian principles the ends justify the means And its root comes from originally importing and embedding these Japanese scientists into the American biowarfare program. And this is, for me also been a gradual reveal to as I tunneled in more and more and learned more and was more actively involved in the bio-defense program, I came to be told

33:09 I'm not saying anything that is classified, although I was granted secret clearance. Not top secret or any of the more advanced ones for DoD but it's important to understand that there is information suggesting that we spent far more on biowarfare in the United States than we spent on developing thermonuclear weapons A case can be made that modern biology as we know it, molecular biology and virology are largely a product of huge investment in bio-warfare by the United States government. The leaders of the American Society for Microbiology for many years were also the leaders in our bio warfare program so we built and deployed tested in the field

34:12 a binary weapon, biologic warfare weapon that was so potent that it would kill tank commanders and crews before if the Russians... If the Soviet Union had engaged in a blitzkrieg which was one of the major threats hanging over Western Europe. Those tank commanders would be dead by the time they reached English Channel. It's part of what is attributed in shifting the balance of power that eventually led to the collapse of the Soviet Union and the dropping on the Berlin Wall. That is one version of that story, it's very different from Ronald Reagan as a hero in Star Wars So there's this long history I had not been aware of that has interwoven with the history of modern molecular biology

35:10 And of course there in san diego you're not this technology space i just kinda grew up in it. Not really questioning it i had chosen to be a physician my father and work in high energy systems and came up. Essential way, with a lot of the triggering technology that's used to explode modern thermonuclear weapons. My father-in-law was the head of the Special Projects Division of Raytheon in Galita, and he was my mentor for many years. Raytheon Special Projects is basically their CIA spook shop so I grew up as many of us did on the West Coast in this kind of military industrial research world and I chose

36:06 to not make weapons that was my intention going into medicine well i appreciate that context it is hard for someone on the outside to always see it clearly cuz it is such a tangled web and. I appreciate those little stories that we often don't hear because they do stack up, who just seem like this is just a huge monolith of really dangerous stuff And of course for you personally, it would have been much easier to just hang out on the farm and not take all the smoke that has come your way. So I definitely appreciate you speaking out and it seems a little bit like Western medicine with this operation has shattered any credibility they had.

36:54 Prescription drugs are the third leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer. And who knows what kind of funny math is going on there or how much they actually contribute to those first two? Now, the questions critics have always had about traditional vaccines are coming back up and people are wondering well if any of these shots and their adjuvants did cause problems like autism would they tell us If they did immunocompromised children, would they tell us? And I think we know the answer is no. So now we have this big counterculture move to holistic natural medicine a rejection of petrochemicals for health and a lot of people looking at things like terrain theory instead—a term I never heard three or four years ago! The book you wrote asks the question how do we restore trust and

37:44 I don't think we do. I think we create parallel systems with people who haven't lied to us over and over again, what are your thoughts on some of the parallel systems that are emerging and this resurgence of holistic terrain-based medicine as opposed to allopathic medicine? So we can go on for that for now. To start with just give a shout out There have been some odd anomalies that I've encountered because i've been traveling all over the world and speaking out and giving lectures, trying to help support other medical freedom communities in other countries. And that continues...I'm about to travel to Europe then I'll be back and then back over to Vienna for another conference etc., and bouncing around the states it doesn't stop its just non-stop

38:41 In these travels two things have been very surprising to me one is that the medical specialist hospital which traditionally have thought to. I've been positioned as the leaders for the entire medical enterprise is almost completely compromised and there's a we could talk about how that has happened it's kind of fascinating to get into the weeds of that And it has been the generalists. It's been the primary care physicians, the integrative medicine specialists you know people like Dr. McCullough that have been resistant perhaps because they were like what's happened to me they were already exposed to this machine of propaganda censorship defamation gaslighting and so they were already sensitized to these tricks

39:39 The other community that's been surprisingly resistant to the propaganda has been the various religious communities all over the world. And I think that's a combination of having shared spirituality, I think many of us have come through this more committed to spirituality and all that means for the individual, but I think a lot of it also has to do with the fact that they were communities. Communities that maintain cohesion despite all the efforts to break them up in...to keep them from convening and of course California's been notorious for this shutting down churches so these people that were previously considered to be at the fringes outliers not intellectually high-powered primary care physicians etc

40:35 and those that were osteopaths, even chiropractors. People that were already kind of out of the system have been the ones that have really led in for instance early treatment. Of course there's some exceptions Peter McCullough is an example And I think that has been a real surprising finding What it caused is a lot of this including myself...I don't talk about this in the book to go back and learn about the history of allopathic medicine, and the role of petroleum industry. And DuPont, and all that in actively destroying the traditional medical school curriculum instructors that had existed at one point there were more, let's say integrative

41:35 and substituting a new curriculum that was wrapped around petroleum-based drugs. And that's been a very lucrative industry, and it certainly contributed to human health but as you correctly point out is given rise to a monster. That monster is now so large and so profitable that it functionally controls elections, it controls who gets elected, it dominates Washington DC But forgive the coughing, I picked up a nasty head cold in Mexico City last week. And I think that that has been another one of the big reveals is the need to go back to something more patient focused rather than this industrialized checklist based medicine that we've seen deployed on all of us which is coming out of the interface between government

42:46 the insurance industry large pharma and the hospital networks that basically control almost all physicians now. And they want a world that is the rest they want things to be algorithmic and simple so that you come into this system, can you respond to check list and that checklist gets compared to some computer algorithm, and out spits a diagnosis and a prescribed set of drugs that are approved in the treatment protocol. And you will take that treatment protocol or you'll be kicked out of the system." We've kind of seen that deployed now in a big way, it has resulted in massive number of avoidable deaths so my impression is aligned with yours

43:40 And in particular i point you to a chapter that last section of the book. That's focused on the better future in which an organization that i've been privileged to be brought into apocryphal or apocrine tv italian spelling for apocrypha is in italy, where physicians have been even more heavily censored platform lots of license and practice privileges they have united states And they still come together form the community and even started now to set up their own medical school and setup a decentralized training programs based in. Towns and cities cross italy where is some more community based operation and we have training programs that go from

44:38 general people like yourself that are not medically trained, all the way through physicians and they even have a program for de-specialization. For these physicians that have kind of lost faith in the system and want to go back to practicing primary care That's a different skill set than you know knowing how to operate a ventilator and being a pulmonary practitioner for example So, Apocrypha gives us a vision and so does the World Council for Health and many of these other organizations that have popped up. That is somewhat leaderless it is more organic these are intentional communities that are springing up all over the world in various different ways at different cultures that are starting to come together and I think that that is the opportunity for a different future than the dark

45:39 centralized globalist vision of the fourth industrial revolution and transhumanism, fusion of man and machine. And directed evolution all those kinds of things I think the alternative to that Harari Schwab just a give two names dark vision is a decentralized world in the challenge that I confront in trying to help people is there a group in forward you know i didn't ask this position of serving as a leader. It just kind of came to me and since it came to me i've been doing my best to try to do well but, as you mentioned i would just assume be hanging out here on the farm with my wife but you don't want your call to do something can you read your sixties

46:33 It's a gift right an opportunity to make difference and to make the world better before you pass on. Make it better for your children so i find myself in this position doing my best to try to help people move towards a better future, end friends just mentioned that i got sick at mexico city just upper respiratory cold but there are met with a broad swap of leaders From all over the world it was investor conference but what i found that we had discussions about was many these people are leaders within their own small intentional communities, we had some really stimulating discussions about how do we move forward here. My position is that in trying to do so there are number of traps

47:33 Did you encounter that force you back into the same kind of thinking. Has lettuce to the problems we have now for instance if u imagine, that way that intentional communities can link up each other would involve some version let's call it web three of the internet And you try to imagine how that might be implemented i'm gonna go into the weeds just a little techie for a moment. If you imagine a web three like some do, did employees block chain to build lookup tables basically address libraries that you can access it would point towards decentralized information storage. That can be reassembled like in a bit stream type solution

48:25 Then you quickly find yourself in a position of, well what about people that I'm going to just take another kind of shocking example. Snuff films. Yeah. Kitty porn snuff films okay? I think we can all agree that snuff films are off the table they are not acceptable behavior they should not be circulated and they certainly shouldn't be stored on anybody's computer But if we go to a decentralized information storage system, so that it can't be controlled by the likes of Jeff Bezos. Then we have a risk that somebody might put a fraction of a file that involves terrorist trading or how to build a bomb or snuff film right? And none of us want to have that on our computers. So then quickly we find ourselves in this position where we have to have some form of censorship

49:18 And then it comes right back to the same issues because once we go down that road what we've seen is a slippery slope and pretty soon some people might grab hold of that one sensor. Political speech for example there's many problems as you imagine decentralized global structure in. What i come away with grappling with this and talking to others Is that in my opinion anybody that believes that they know the search that they know what the solutions are is probably somebody that i don't really want to be engaging with i think we're gonna have to figure out how to get to these solutions. Also a cooperative fashion decentralized action i dont see how we can get to it decentralize solution

50:09 Model where you just have a few i think tank with academics or. You know key thought leaders are whatever all coming together in some conference and figuring out the solution if we go there, we're gonna end up exactly back where we are right now so i think that's our challenge it is one that im looking forward to try to help people move towards is What is the process that we could use to create a decentralized world that we would all rather live in and that gives us freedom and sovereignty, and that we can pass along to our children as an alternative to this dark transhumanist centralized command economy world in which you will own nothing but be happy so they say. Right right

51:05 Looking at this COVID crisis and the shots as just part of a larger technocratic control continuum, let's say or transhumanist agenda or little of both. How do we stay ahead of them because they're going to be crafty? They've gamed out a lot of this stuff How do we anticipate their next move and not get caught up again? I mean, climate science seems like it's going to be a part of it. But even that's just a part of a larger whole. How do we stay ahead of them and anticipate their next move? So one of the things that I find amazing about World Economic Forum is they're actually fairly transparent now they hide lot of what they do just like Bill and Melinda Gates does The term that's been bounced around is psycho philanthropy

51:55 over psychotic philanthropy they'll often hide their true motive behind pretty words about advancing humankind and often there's words are wrapped around. Malfusia is a base logic that there only so many resources in the world we have too many people that's what gets to the population and you genics arguments that were just touching on this little bit So I think we have learned that these people that meet in, you know the Club of Rome and these various secret societies or organizations that hide their true agendas. I think we've learned that we should take their writing and their communication seriously We should listen to what they're saying. We should listen to what Klaus Schwab said in this recent G20 summit

53:03 which if you listen to it, it sounds like the man is raving mad. But pay attention because he has the ear of the thousand largest corporations in the world and most of the world's economies I think...I fear that they will have their way with us to a significant extent They've been planning for decades literally decades and decades And they fully believe, I think that their vision represents the future of humanity. And those of us that disagree are going to be hard pressed, not being impacted by their plans as we have been impacted over the last three years mean if you want example both their power and incompetence the last three years provides a fantastic textbook guide maybe thats one of the other values book I think what we have to do

54:16 sincerely, is we have to fall back on intentional communities. This is what's happened so many times in human history whether it's convents and monasteries or various forms of co-ops community based organizations religious organizations when the world enters into these times of turmoil and change It's often small communities that self assemble Can kind of carry the staff of humanity and knowledge. And culture through these dark times, and I think personally in spoken ahead dinner with David Martin discuss this spoken to many people i personally think that the only strategy that may be available to us is that of forming intentional communities whether they're virtual or physical

55:30 So I, you know the name of my sub stack is who is Robert Malone. That's a course say very explicit reference to who is John Gault and Atlas Shrugged and you may recall if you read the book called Skulls and intentional community. I think that we may find ourselves having to kind of hold up a little bit in so no surprise at the proper movement that used to be so discredited is now increasingly going mainstream as we're facing major food shortages, diesel shortages etc and economic turmoil. What we've seen is these people that have such massive economic power are strangely blind maybe it's because they live in their own little bubbles and they see a future that frankly I think is grossly naive and unworkable

56:31 But that doesn't mean they're not going to be able to impose it in a significant way on all of us. They have so much economic power, right? And political power my friends in Canada I'm just shocked by what they've been subjected to Canada is functionally a client state of the world economic form The case can you made that's also true with New Zealand and a significant extent Australia, right and unfortunately Not to get political but mr. Newsome in your state is a trainee, he's a graduate of the five-year training program of the Young Leaders Program at The World Economic Forum. It's true it seems like everybody is but I am trying to get out here as soon as I can but yeah rough yes so Austin and Nashville are two destinations that many people go too but so you can find on our nonprofit Malone Institute dot org

57:37 you go there you can download the most comprehensive spreadsheet of all of the young leader trainees. When they graduated who they are what industries that work in etc etc and my opinion these people are agents basically a foreign government it's a world government, this been assembled if i had my way They would have to register as foreign agents if they're involved in US politics. They are not representing the US Constitution, they do not recognize and respect the constitution and the independence of nation states. They believe that those boundaries of nation states should be dissolved. They believe in Agenda 2030

58:30 There in San Diego, you're very familiar with the illegal immigration. The border crisis right? Yeah You may not be aware that agenda 2030 UN agenda that has been adopted by the United States and many other Asian states Specifically states that it is a fundamental human right to live wherever you want to live It's no accident that these folks that believe in the globalist future, in the United States North America and Europe and elsewhere are actively enabling the dissolving of borders. And the free immigration of peoples which you know almost immediately destroys middle class wherever it happens just written into agenda 2030 is a fundamental human right people have to kind

59:30 you know, you've got two choices. You can wake up and start investigating yourself exactly. I mentioned the book is just a pointer it's just a little bit of a road map to get you started there so much information in detail out there and i really caution don't believe anybody anymore! I think its really appropriate to become a skeptic and I think the way forward is that people have to take ownership for themselves, of thinking for themselves. If they want to be free they have to take the responsibility to learn how propaganda is deployed and used. Learn and understand these thought control technologies that are being used against them. Learn about what these plans are and what this globalist agenda is And then try to find ways

1:00:31 make your way in the world and make a space for your children if you don't want to live in that world. If you don't like the idea of the business model, because that's what it is, of you will own nothing and be happy...if you do not like the idea that all resources need to now be concentrated into much smaller number companies Owned by a smaller number of people and then allocated for the greatest good for the greatest number. Buy a centralized governance body that's unelected

1:01:10 allocated in basically a rent based model, just like you get your software now. You can't go and buy Adobe Photoshop anymore you have to rent it. You don't buy Microsoft Office, you rent it okay? They want to be in the world which that holds for everything. You own nothing and its all controlled because the logic is that will make for more appropriate allocation of resources if they're the ones doing the allocating based on whatever their algorithms are. And if you use their products in ways they don't agree with, they just revoke your ability to even rent it? Now we know that it doesn't even matter if you do not use their products in a way that they don't want you too now its to the point where if you say things that they dont want you to say, they will revoke it. They'll revoke your banking privileges, they'll revoke your access to capital

1:02:04 is center center yeah it's definitely getting rough and you are right intentional communities seems like the movie have a great section in the book about victory gardens, and growing your own food which i think is also good advice cuz we can't really get their hands off the levers of control seems like they've got everything pretty much compromise. So we have to do parallel type things. And I got one foot out the door, Texas or Florida here I come. I'm actually from St. Louis which has its own history of spraying chemicals on poor unsuspecting people and seems like you can't really escape it anywhere." We love life here in Virginia as expat Californians. Virginia is purple and we have all the water we need and our farm is up against the Shenandoah Mountains but

1:02:53 It's also about an hour and 15 from Dulles Airport, which is what I have to jump in the car and go drive to. Yes yes absolutely! And you're good on the weed front too so anyway i know you got the plane to catch i appreciate you squeezing in some time for little old me i think we covered a lot of important ground and i'd recommend your book to anyone looking for an ironclad case that we've been had The book isn't hard to find You also are active on Substack MaloneInstitute.org, is there anything else we should leave people with in terms of following up on your work or any links or anything you're gonna be doing in the future? So the Substack is free if you wish to subscribe as I mentioned and that's rwmalonemd.substack.com And I get feedback from a lot of folks that are Getter feed because of course I'm de-platformed from Twitter and LinkedIn but I've got about 425 thousand followers on Getter

1:03:47 And i have people sending me stuff from all over the world all the time, i'm not a zero edge but a lot of people seem to find our getter feed so that's at rw maloney. To be useful way to kind of keep up with what's going on in the cold and world and weapon all these other agenda items Mm-hmm. Great Well, I know i'm just one of many podcasts but you are the man I appreciate you the heat You've taken is no small thing keep fighting the good fight and take care Thanks Greg and have a great day Sadate my damees! The great Dr Robert Malone. I was certainly lucky to get this one

1:04:35 Unfortunately, I could only get 90 minutes of his time rather than the full 2 hours. This happens on rare occasion and we do a 45-45 split and it is what it is! Luckily Howdy Mikoski went for almost 3 hours recently so...it balances out in the end. I do wonder how this one will be received mixed? I'm sure All feedback is going to be mixed with this number of people, but I myself certainly had times throughout the COVID crisis where i was very unsure of Dr. Malone and I would guess that I'm not alone on something like that with an audience like this

1:05:12 But he understands manipulation and the deep state and narrative control as much as anyone, so I think he would understand the initial skepticism. In fact, I know he would—he's said it many times—it's not unexpected for some people to be skeptical of a guy who worked on the inside but there should be something that you're looking for where they can pass the credibility test And to me, it's saying exactly the kinds of things that Dr. Malone says do your own research think for yourself He has full support for medical freedom calls out the world economic forum He even says tinkering under the hood of humanity has something to do with their transhumanist goals I consider some of that to be going actually a lot further than some of his colleagues he really goes for it and he peppered in so many little insights throughout this

1:06:04 I'm just happy to have had the opportunity. You guys know i like to go for the out there stuff but hey he said transhumanism before me let the record show! I also anticipate there will be some debate or shade thrown over the did he really create mRNA vaccines? Can you rightfully call himself The Inventor and I certainly did not want to bring that up because he's talked about it so,so,SO many times I've seen displayed his nine patents on this technology and my intro was so specific in its language because of this fact. It's kind of like who invented the internet? Well, there were stages and it's not really just one thing but also if you know about these universities they are really shitty about patenting stuff They just say oh you developed it here So we own it not you

1:06:58 And you heard him, he mentioned the big old battle with the Salk Institute and in my opinion this whole... He wasn't really the creator of the technology is part of a smear campaign against Dr. Malone They would much rather have everyone debating if he is or isn't technically the inventor of the technology and just have them forget about what he's actually saying that's relevant to the current operation But I think his book is very bold and honest, and he builds his case in a way that i think it would be a great book to give to anyone who hasn't seen through it all yet. If we had had the full two hours you know that I had a few more questions on deck but I tried to go for the ones that you don't hear in every other interview of his

1:07:43 Let's skip over the deep background. Let's skip over the COVID crisis play-by-play and let's instead talk about how this operation folds into a larger plan, and what comes next And yes in The Plus Show I know I asked him about the UFO disclosure narrative thread that has also been woven through mainstream media and government over the last two years Why was UAP disclosure to the Senate in the COVID relief bill if COVID is such a serious and specific issue? Why are those two things related at all?" Well, once we're talking about transhumanism it's worth folding that in because you could see how it might relate as a psychological layer that is pushing us into that more than human slash merge with machines direction.

1:08:32 I know that part of it certainly sounds weird and it's a story that is just not over yet so we will see where it goes and how it does relate. But, I consider it something worth keeping in mind and its a badge of honor to hear him say that I asked him something crazy nobody else has! He also said he regrets doing some of the podcasts hes done and I definitely would hate to be on this list. So please be respectful if you do reach out to him let them know this was appreciated Not a lot of our guests have websites where right on the front page you can download the raw data of anyone who's graduated from the WEF Young Global Leaders program. And that alone is a service to humanity I also didn't really realize he had to work on the fringes of the industry well before COVID, I thought COVID was kind of a breaking up the ranks? Seems like...I misinterpreted that

1:09:26 Also kind of funny that he heard my mention of San Diego and it clearly tailored this interview a bit. But that's the unique aspect of his own history, and he is right! That is a big hub of the medical military industrial complex It's more in the La Jolla UTC area rather than San Diego proper but if you go driving through there You'll see company after company invoking The Gods as always And its surprising just how many there are Right off the highway you see a big ominous corporate building for Illumina, and I was curious about that name. So I looked them up and sure enough they're a genetic sequencing company! You really are just taking the T-I off of Illuminati and that's your company name? Okay... And to take it a little bit further, I just went to their website and their latest blog entry headline is, Illumina has become a powerhouse of the Chinese genomics industry

1:10:21 Partnerships announced and agreements signed at the China International Import Expo 2022 present key opportunities for growth. Provocative, provocative right? And that's just one company there are many many other ones that have interesting names or invoke the gods or Egypt There are tons of sunburst symbols and logos that encode the eye of Rah or a Sun Disc several pyramid logos of course Just the other day I drove through there looking for a restaurant to go to with the kid, give her mom a break for a bit. And the place I found was in a huge building called Alexandria! That was just a block down from a company called Prometheus Labs that operates out of a giant biotech lab complex called The Muse. Just around the other block is Poseida Gene Therapeutics with an i logo

1:11:17 And what's weird about that building, probably the most esoteric art installation I've ever seen in front of a corporate building was something that i think they actually had removed. You can still find pictures of it online if you google La Jolla past and future statues but there were these big biotech offices In like a u-shape and in the center courtyard was a giant reflecting pool and then the middle of the water was a big classic Egyptian obelisk And then on the left side was this guy in Egyptian clothing sitting on a throne holding a pyramid and staring at it like a puzzle he's trying to crack. It is labeled PAST! Now, on the other side of the pool is an identical throne-type chair with a more androgynous figure with a bald head I think one female breast and their body is made up more of segments and has a real sci fi look to it

1:12:16 And it's also holding a pyramid, but more up to the light. Almost like the whole installation is to say hey this mystery that the Egyptians pondered in the past we will crack wide open here sometime in the near future It's weird but I mean Google it! I'm not making this up This is how they chose to represent this complex But all through that area everything has biotech or genetics or labs in the title There's companies like BioSpider Technologies, Trinity Biotech, Ellucient Technologies with a Pyramid A in the name and even just one called Pyramid Labs somewhere in Southern California. And would you believe it there is literally a DNA sequencing company in San Diego called Roswell Biotechnology as well as one called Foundations Medical with a big Cube logo of course!

1:13:13 And I don't know anything about these specific companies, but we've done plenty of shows on the esoteric names and logos of companies plenty of times in the past. And companies in this particular space are even more interesting from that perspective. Clearly I'm getting pretty far from the mark here but it was interesting to hear him thread Southern California throughout this interview I also really liked when he said the left-right division is outdated and the new lines are between the physicals, the digitals, the machines and the overlords. That's a bit of an ominous thing to say... And i also think he's quite right! So yeah lots of good stuff in this one with a guest I consider to be pretty high level Of course if you liked the free first half as always The second half of these here interviews are for subscribers either through thehiresidechats.com or through our Patreon

1:14:08 If you go through my website though, you can start with a seven day free trial. And if you're only interested in one or two shows then you can get the full versions pretty easily without paying anything. How about that? Today's Plus Show got into Dr. Malone thoughts on the deeper motivations for the COVID crisis cohorts I asked the question of if they are fundamentally trying to change what a human is and he said yes Of course he elaborated but that is a bold answer in and of itself We got into the UAP UFO disclosure story thing and how it might fit in. And then Dr Malone talked a little bit about ancient advanced civilizations, why would we have high society and primitive hunter-gatherers side by side? I guess you could say we do now but it also seems to have been true way earlier than they say

1:15:01 We also got some of his intentional community tips and talked about some concerning elements of Agenda 2030 that might be coming down the pike. A little bit scary but all good stuff! I hope to see you on the plus side if you like the shows that i do, interviews only get weirder and more interesting with that extra time Big thanks again to Dr. Malone, you can find him at whoismalonemd.com Of course there is maloneinstitute.org a website that is just full of all the kind of information you would want

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