Dr. Michael Salla | Antarctica’s Hidden History, Nazi UFOs, & Inner Earth Extraterrestrials

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01:01 Alright Hiresight Chatters, we know the world is filled with mystery and secrets those pesky puppet masters of the power pyramid have no interest in sharing with us. But we've seen many indications in the last few years that something big is going on Antarctica! And why shouldn't there be? Yes, we've been told it's a huge sad lonely block of ice nothing but a diving board for penguins. But we're talking about five and half million square miles A landmass the size of the United States and Mexico combined! When you consider the fluctuations resources even historical clues that could be lost in a landmass that size I find it highly suspicious to present as a total waste time

01:40 Because it wasn't a waste of time for then Secretary of State John Kerry or Newt Gingrich, Buzz Aldrin, the Patriarch of Russia and any other privileged people tasked with making trips to such wasteland in recent years. Doesn't seem like a waste of time for the multitude of major corporations and military contractors who are also very much active on the big block of nothing. Throw in the legendary speculation of passageway into inner earth you got yourself some real reasons to wonder Though today on THC we're going to get past the guessing and talk to Dr. Michael Sala who recently released a heavy book about this very subject, and The Hidden History Secret Bases in Real Geography of the Icy Continent entitled Antarctica's Hidden History Corporate Foundations of Secret Space Programs which weighs in at over 300 fascinating pages

02:29 If you don't know Dr. Sala, he's been a pioneer in the development of exopolitics—the political study of the key actors institutions and processes associated with extraterrestrial life He has a PhD in government from the University of Queensland Australia and an MA in philosophy from the University of Melbourne. He's written several other great books on intriguing topics like Exopolitics Political Implications Of The Extraterrestrial Presence Insiders reveal secret space programs and extraterrestrial alliances, and Kennedy's last stand. Eisenhower UFOs MJ-12 and the JFK assassination

03:06 Dr. Sala also founded the Exopolitics Institute in 2005, The Exopolitics Journal in 2006 and he has co-organized five international conferences on extraterrestrial life and earth transformation on the Big Island of Hawaii Truly a man on a mission to break the chains of secrecy reveal the hidden hands in global affairs and usher in a new world of knowing Dr Michael Sala welcome to The Higher Side Aloha Greg, glad to be here. Man I am just super excited for this one! I'm a big enthusiast of anything inner earth or Antarctica related and your book does contain a good amount of documentation and the pulling together of threads to form a cohesive timeline for what's really been going on down there over the years

03:49 But just to lay a good base here, talk to us about the landscape of Antarctica because there have been some fresh announcements in the last few years that really confirm that the conditions are better for life and maybe even secret bases than we might have thought previously. Is that right? That's right Greg. The first thing people have to keep in mind is that Antarctica as you mentioned is a vast landmass and on the surface they are near the coastline a number of bases that have been set up by national governments. There's approximately 50 different nations that have signed up to the Antarctic Treaty, they had bases there and these bases do a lot of scientific research. That's where they do the climate studies, the penguin studies, they look at the oceans and measure the melt of the ice and so forth. So this is kind of legitimate science projects but real

04:43 covert stuff is happening deep under the ice sheets and this is what we really like exploring now. What is under that two mile of ice that covers a lot of the surface of Antarctica? And there's been a lot of rumors, speculation going back many decades about Germans escaping to Antarctica establishing bases deep under is that mainstream science has finally caught up and is acknowledging that deep under the Antarctic ice, there's a vast ecosystem which is thermally heated

05:24 which is oxygenated, which is a balmy 25 degrees Celsius where there can be vegetation and it's very habitable. So this is the first time that it has been acknowledged by scientists that underneath that two miles of ice you've got a vast landscape of an unknown territory and this is where it gets really interesting because now we actually have a possibility of verifying that the Germans did indeed establish bases under the ice sheet back in the mid-1940s. Yes, yes. It is a lot to unpack and I guess to get into the story itself if we're gonna be somewhat linear it's a tangled web of course that includes many of the nefarious names We know The Dulles Brothers The Bush Family Brown Brothers Harriman IBM Lockheed Martin The Rand Corporation IG Farben and more but it starts with the Thule Society

06:19 Where you write, the historic roots of the first secret space program and its genesis can be traced back to the early years of the Wehrmacht Republic. At the end of the First World War in 1919 a number of German secret societies began collaborating in the development of flying saucer prototypes based on designs received through telepathic communications from an unusually beautiful and highly skilled psychic medium Maria Orsik And I think that is a great place to start this too. So we know a little bit about German occultism in this audience, but talk to us about this origin point for UFO technology in 1919. Yes Maria Osic and the Thule Society it's a very interesting development there for the Germans just after the end of the First World War

07:08 Germany is regrouping and there's a lot of interest in these secret societies that talk about the past grandeur of the Aryan race tens of thousands of years ago. And the Thule Society is probably the most popular and well-known of these secret societies, and they are organized around the idea that There was once this ancient Aryan civilization called the Hyperboreans and that their capital was Ultima Thule. And so, that's where you get the name Thule Society and Maria Orsic was a very talented psychic and they recognized her as having this ability to communicate not only with these inner earth beings, the hyperboreans

07:53 but also with these off-world extraterrestrial species. And so this is where in the early 1920s Maria Orsic starts getting this psychic information and she does some automatic writing, and it's in ancient Sumerian. And the German scholars decipher it and its the basic blueprint for building a space-time device. So that's the beginning of the German Space Programme in the Weimar Republic and it really began with these secret societies like The Thule Society, Maria Orsic getting this psychic information from off world beings and also from inner world beings who were giving them

08:33 hints on how to develop this technology and eventually after about a decade of secret laboratory research and development, they came up with the first prototype which is called the Vril craft. And that pretty much coincided with Adolf Hitler coming to power and in Hitler This is another thing to keep in mind, was a protege of the Fool Society as well. So the Fool Society not only sponsored and helped Maria Orsic in her research and development on secret space technologies but also helped Adolf Hitler in his rise to power. They funded him, they provided him the main newspaper, they provided high-level society contacts, police protection, navy protection all these things to help

09:22 the Nazi party take off. So, the full society was ultimately pulling the strings of Hitler and the Nazi party and this was all happening behind-the-scenes Right i think it's fascinating history and so we have these german occultists that are channeling plans for ufos they're working on these crafts through two world wars. I've never heard this but in your book you say that when hitler outlawed secret societies the real society registered as a corporation that translates to real propulsion workshops that's really fascinating is that right?

09:59 That's right. Yes, that's one of the things that has come through the records what's being preserved of Maria Orsic that there was that change so that she could conform with these new regulations but the work that she was doing it was really kind of indispensable for what was happening in Antarctica because she was a highly gifted psychic and she was in communication with extraterrestrials or at least That's what the German occultists believed and certainly that is what the Nazi SS believed because they were trying to piggyback on the information Orsic was getting from her extraterrestrial contacts and build a weaponized flying saucer program for the Nazi SS.

10:50 So she changed her real society name to something much more scientific because ultimately, she felt that there was no real dividing line between the occult and science. And that's really why the Germans got ahead so quickly and this is well documented many US military officials were really puzzled you know how come the Germans in less than 20 years got ahead of the Allied powers in aerospace programs given that they lost the First World War. How could that have happened? Well, the answer is that the Germans after the First World War blended occult studies with scientific research and that's why they got ahead so quickly because I didn't differentiate whereas Western scientists did. So they progressed in a very predictable linear Newtonian physics way with a little bit of quantum physics thrown in but very linear development

11:50 German scientists had this quantum leap because they were factoring consciousness into everything they were doing. Yes, I think it's more obvious now than ever that that dividing line is pretty much non-existent and they were probably right to get on to that so early. And so what more can you tell us about maybe the players involved in the stages of anti-gravitic crafts made during those years from 1919 all the way up through the 1940s? Because there were several phases and models correct? This isn't a small thing. That's right!

12:26 really important scientists involved in this program. Probably the most important was Professor Winifred Schumann who was the head of the Electrophysics Laboratory at the University of Munich and he was a Thule Society member and he was the one that actually helped build the prototypes according to the blueprints that Orsic had developed so, he was working very closely with Orsic And he was an expert in high voltage electrostatics and also in high energy plasma physics. So these were the things that were necessary for building anti-gravity craft, and also utilizing some of the ideas of torsion field physics which does bend space time. This is a physics that is still not mainstream but what Schumann and other scientists found was that when you rotate plasma

13:24 which is greatly pressurized and rotates at a high temperature vacuum environment, it creates the space-time effect. So you can actually bend space time and so this was the principle for the propulsion systems that were developed for the German flying saucer programs Another prominent German scientist or inventor was Hans Kohler he came up with the free energy device that was adopted by the German Navy for their submarines and also for the spacecraft. So this was a very important means of generating free energy, so free energy was something that Western scientists had also

14:07 been discussing of course you had nikola tesla pioneering a lot of free energy research in the early nineteen hundreds, he said it was friends with maria because nikola tesla. Maria Orsic's father were both Croatian engineers from the same generation so they knew each other. So the Orsic family were friends with Nikola Tesla, so they shared a lot of information and Tesla is a lot of history to him when it comes to communications with extraterrestrials but Tesla was involved Thomas Townshend Brown was also a brilliant scientist developed the electro-gravitic he had

14:49 on electro-gravitics, I think it was 1928. So you had a bunch of these German scientists and Western scientists coming up with these ideas of electro-gravitics, torsion field physics free energy devices and all this was essential for building these flying saucer devices. Yes man! It is so fascinating and sounds like a lot of information to just dismiss or deny there seems to be a lot there if you pull on every thread And what about the Nazis' Antarctic retreat? This has been debated quite a lot. I've had several guests who just don't see the evidence for it, and I think your book makes a strong case but what do you consider the most convincing evidence that lays this issue to rest where we can say yes definitively the nazis did make a base in antarctica where they continued their work on ufo technology and free energy devices

15:39 Well, probably the most persuasive evidence is of course we know that under Captain Alfred Richter the Germans had an expedition to Antarctica in 1938-39. But what is not well known is that in June of 1939 President Roosevelt issued an executive orders for Admiral Byrd to go down to Antarctica and find the Nazi bases down there, locate where they had been built and determine whether or not they had been violating the Monroe Doctrine. So Roosevelt in 1939 knew that the Germans had established bases in Antarctica and had given instructions for Byrd who was the leading US polar explorer to lead

16:28 for the 1939-1940 season down to Antarctica to find where the Germans had built their base. And so this is pretty incontrovertible that the United States knew in 1930 that the Germans had build bases in Antarctica and then you have a whole number of whistleblowers, former insiders they talk about the Germans having build bases down there but you actually have stories in The New York Times and other major tabloids in the United States discussing Admiral Byrd's expedition to Antarctica and I referenced that in the book. So it's a fact that the Americans were looking for the German bases in 1939, and then we have people who have talked at length about how the Germans found the bases, who helped them find the bases what was built down there and the equipment and resources and scientists that went down there

17:26 Right i mean for this to have happened the germans would've had to send just massive convoys and made huge supply trips and built out a pretty huge infrastructure down there and. You know according to your book it does seem like there's plenty of documentation, plenty of comments made by prominent Nazis. To indicate that that is true I just wonder why is so hard for World War II historians to pick up on those threads? I think a lot of people just don't appreciate how well the Nazis were able to hide the movement of large numbers of people and resources secretly. It's well documented that the Nazis developed these huge underground facilities in occupied Europe, Nordhausen in the Haas Mountains is probably one of the best known

18:23 and that's where they basically took the V1, V2 rocket program after the Penamundi facilities had been bombed on the Baltic Sea coastline there. And so the Nazis during 1942 realized that the war was going to be a long one and they made preparations to lose everything underground and so they commissioned their scientific institutions to start mapping all the underground caverns in Germany, in order to stop building vast facilities down there. And at the same time, the German Navy began to accelerate the transport of

19:04 men and women and resources down to Antarctica because the war was starting to go badly for them. And as the war continued to go badly, well the Nazis just continued to accelerate the movement of supplies. This was all done secretly through their submarine fleets through their very large Juncker planes and also through these underground cavern systems that penetrated Europe and even going into Africa and further than that. So, that's one of the mysteries is exactly how extensive are these underground cavern systems not only in Antarctica but also in Europe and Africa? And are they linked according to William Tompkins and I discussed this in the book. I haven't been able to confirm it he says that the cavern systems run all the way from Antarctica up

20:02 through Africa and right up into Europe which is a phenomenal thing to say but he said that this was something that US Navy spies learned about during the infiltration of the German aerospace industry. And so, this was another way in which the Germans were able to secretly move supplies and people all the way from occupied Europe down to Antarctica Right. Huge can of worms and those tunnels are everywhere! It's hard to know if they truly connect, but I mean it's hard to also find a piece of land on this planet that doesn't have huge natural or unnatural cavern systems below it so it is a curious thing when you consider what the hell was going on in the past?

20:45 Well, this is one of the things that people will start learning about. Richard Sorter, Dr. Richard Sorter has written a couple of books talking about underground bases in the United States and worldwide and he identifies these bases as basically being linked by these vast kind of tunnel systems where you can actually have maglev trains that can move at supersonic speeds not only in the United States but around the globe. So right there you have someone who by studying declassified documents has understood that this is a worldwide tunnel network without we're talking about where you can move people and resources very quickly using this tunnel network with our hypersonic

21:32 train system. So this is one of the things that I think makes possible what Bill Tompkins said, that in fact the Germans had stumbled on these underground cavern systems all the way from Europe down to Antarctica itself which is a phenomenal thing to say but even without these alleged tunnel systems from Europe to Antarctica, you still have the German submarines that could travel secretly and transport people and supplies from occupied Europe right down to Antarctica. Yeah, it seems like maybe they rediscovered some ancient systems and just repurposed them. And so I want to also kind of fast forward up to today because a lot of people are curious about what's going on there now we've had several major people making trips down there We had that Fitbit release of that heat map and where their devices are being used in a lot of them showed up in Antarctica to people surprised Maybe the best thing to do would be to give

22:34 People, the context of Charles Hapgood's work and Earth crust displacement theory so that the findings down there make a little bit more sense. Okay well Hapgood basically his argument was that the geophysical poles shift periodically and that this shift means what is now the South Pole over the entire continent at another time could have been just in open ocean and the landmass of Antarctica could have been in a temperate zone. And so that is pretty consistent with what we know of the ancient sea kings. Charles Hapgood was able to analyze the Peri-Race maps, the Orontios-Phineas maps which were 16th century maps

23:23 that showed Antarctica being ice-free, which indicated that at one point probably before the last great flood that happened 12,000 years or so ago. Antarctica was in a temperate zone of the Pacific and so that meant that the Great Flood that occurred 12,000 years ago coincided with a pole shift and the scientific debate about North America being covered by ice sheets and then about 12,000 years ago the ice sheet suddenly melt. And that's what caused the Great Flood which inundated so many different civilizations around the planet and so this was something that led to Antarctica being moved from its ice-free location to the South Pole and being very quickly covered by ice

24:18 Now, Hapgood's theory was endorsed by Albert Einstein and Einstein pointed out that the key scientific variable here that determines when a pole shift occurs is the amount of ice at the North and South Poles. That as ice accumulates either in the north or south pole then you have the ingredient for a pole shift occurring. So by the same token, if a lot of ice melts at the poles then you can have a pole shift occurring again so this is what makes what's happening today at the South Pole and Antarctica very very important that everyone to pay attention too because with the ice melting primarily in the West Antarctic because all the increased volcanic activity down there

25:14 The volcanoes under the ice sheets are being triggered and it's been discovered, it has been confirmed recently that Antarctica actually has the world's largest volcanic field. That wasn't known before only last year was it confirmed that all these volcanoes have been discovered and now they're being triggered so the ice sheet from underneath is melting in Antarctica is slowly disappearing and that affects the weight distribution in Antarctica. So not only with the ice disappearing can you have things being exposed, you have ancient artifacts being exposed, you have suddenly flash flows and cities being exposed, being discovered... You have extraterrestrial craft being discovered but also you have the ice distribution in Antarctica

26:05 being skewed tremendously because while West Antarctica is melting, East Antarctica is not melting. It's remaining the same so this is setting off a pretty powerful geological phenomenon where you could actually have the weight displacement in the South Pole triggering the pole shift It is a lot, but we have so many mysteries about floods and ice sheets and massive changes in the past that a lot of people are trying to work out. And this theory does answer a lot of those questions as you described. So it is really interesting but

26:42 But you also mentioned flash frozen cities or civilizations and we got to hit that because I guess it would be this Lake Vostok anomaly that really started to heat things up in 2000, 2001. People noticed this anomaly and talk to us about the Lake Vostok area and what this was? Okay so Lake Vosk is the deepest fresh ocean lake in Antarctica and around 1990 scientists discovered The lake was there and they also discovered this giant anomaly at one side of the lake which is about 50 miles in diameter. And it displayed the characteristics of a location with a lot of metal

27:24 kind of like metals that would be found in a city. So that's when people started to speculate and there was a lot of rumors about them having discovered a city in Antarctica fast forward to around 2001-2002, the Raytheon Corporation now has the Antarctic contract with the National Science Foundation and they're sending teams of people down this frozen city or this magnetic anomaly in Antarctica and the scientists or the teams that are being sent down there are getting sick. And rumors start to emerge of a flash-frozen civilization having been found with advanced technologies, and so you have these rumors starting...and then you have some insiders talking about the excavations of the ancient civilization down there

28:17 Lake Vostok is one of these locations. There's probably multiple locations just as United States has a number of cities that are all part of the United States Similarly, Antarctica prior to it being flash frozen had a number of cities and settlements Sure, you had your capital but then you had other major settlements around the Antarctic continent which is vast. And so this is what's being discovered now. So there are probably multiple cities or settlements or ruins that have been found throughout the landmass and Lake Vostok was one of those.

28:58 So, let's touch on your expertise here for a minute. But when you factor in geopolitics today what does this last election have to do with what has been found down there? Well Donald Trump he is a very interesting person because according to a number of sources that I've been studying and I think are very credible Trump was chosen by the US military to run as kind of figurehead so that the military could do things behind the scenes to take down the deep state whose agenda is something that US military very strenuously objects too. Trump is a mouthpiece or figurehead for the military to take down with deep state and we have seen many of Trump's policies being targeted against

29:55 international practices that are part of how the deep state operates. For example, in December 21 of 2017 Trump passed an executive order which basically targeted international human trafficking and corruption, and said that this was a national emergency. So this is really the first time that any American president has ever declared human rights happening around the world as constituting a national emergency for the United States. Why did he do that? Well, the explanation is that this empowers US military to operate under national emergency

30:37 condition to basically send troops, special operations forces around the world to begin arresting and detaining people and bringing them to the United States or to Guantanamo for debriefing or enhanced interrogation so forth. Yeah, I do get skeptical sometimes about just the routine of every new president is gonna really help us out this time. But there are some things to note that are different and it is true that John Podesta and Hillary Clinton made some comments about UFO's and it seemed like maybe they had some kind of plan And then maybe there is a conflict related to this content and how to deliver it to people how to frame it

31:22 I guess, I could entertain that possibility for sure. Right well this is one of the things that QAnon movement has really been focusing on is this nexus between Trump and this US military especially the intelligence community that White Hats that are feeding the Trump administration intelligence for how to take down the deep state and in leaking that information to the public through these anonymous drops on the 4chan and 8chan posting boards. And so there's been quite a movement that has been built around QAnon, and so far I've found it to be very credible and giving a lot of very helpful information for how to understand this struggle between the Trump administration with the US military backing him quietly behind

32:15 and how they control the US media, US Congress and the US culture generally. And of course internationally. Well it does seem like there is in off-the-books physics secret sciences that they have quarantined away from the university system and mainstream system And it's kind of interesting times right now because the us is having a rough time economically at seems that might be. Necessary to open up these technologies for new industrial revolution if the us doesn't wanna lose its footing economy doesn't have many other places left to go it seems like we've squeezed most of the juice out of this thing in this debt based system,

33:00 I think that's a compelling element to the possibility that maybe there is some change behind the scenes and maybe begrudgingly these technologies might get dragged out to light just for the sake of people who have nationalist feelings or really do want to see America stay number one. This might be the only way to keep the US on top. I agree, i think so. Basically the deep state for anyone that has been paying attention is moving resources and moving a lot of its infrastructure and finances to China. China is earmarked to be the next global superpower, and the deep state is wanting to do this by undermining the US as the current super power. And a lot of the policies that the deep state has been pursuing are orientating

33:56 China to supplant the US as the world's major financial hub. And once the rug is pulled out of the U.S economy, The U.S dollar will plunge and the U.S economy would collapse that was a deep states plan but Trump has come in acting on behalf of the US military and he has a different plan which is to re-industrialize America and make America a hub for this new technology, technology that will take America or take the planet into the 22nd century into this kind of Star Trek like utopia where free energy devices, torsion field physics alternative healing devices

34:38 the whole way in which we view ourselves that would be changed tremendously by these technologies being released and I think that's the plan. And Trump wants to do it and he has got the full support of US military behind him, then it will be done to maintain America's superpower status for decades to come so I think that is the plan of the American patriots or nationalist community. They don't want to see America They've thrown on the financial scrap heap just so that the deep state can move everything over to China. They want to maintain American power for decades to come." It's a captivating possibility, I am skeptical but I'm going to wait and see what happens. Let's hope for the best! And to talk more about this flash frozen civilization under the ice and who they were in the book you call this civilization The Pre-Adamites saying...

35:33 After arriving in what is now Antarctica approximately 55,000 years ago the pre-Adamites found a rich fertile planet with large native population less technologically advanced than themselves. Soon after the pre-Adamites decided to create hybrid beings using their advanced genetic technology who would act as intermediaries for them with the rest of Earth Now that's interesting and it could make sense of not only a lot of mythologies and legends related to the gods or ancient wars in the sky, but also the elongated skulls which aren't much of a secret anymore either right? Right. I think a lot of that information about the pre-Adamites having a civilization down in Antarctica That dovetails very much with some ancient myths and in particular The Book Of Enoch

36:21 There are actually three books of Enoch that are in circulation. And essentially they describe this phenomenon where before the last great flood you had this patriarchal figure, Enoch having these experiences with the angels and being brought up to heaven, and having these meetings with all of these different angels. And eventually being asked to intercede on behalf of another group of angels called the fallen angels. Well you know what do we make of that? Well I think when you look at that as not being kind of like mythology but actually being a historical record of relationships between different extraterrestrial groups who ancient humans referred to as angels and that there was a conflict between them, and that Enoch was summoned to be an intermediary between these conflicting angels. And the books of Enoch actually describe how the angels that lost this

37:20 pre-flood conflict or this war were banished down to Antarctica. So here you have the Antarctic connection in the Book of Enoch where it describes that Enoch was taken to a land in the far south, where it blazed day and night so that's describing Antarctica And it described a range of seven mountains where the Watchers were buried, or the Watchers were in prison for 10,000 years. So the Watchers were in prison for 10,000 years in this mountain range and it describes Mount Vinson which is part of the Sentinel Mountain Ranges so right there you have quite a coincidence like the Sentinel Mountain Ranges and The Watcher's. The Watcher's are buried in the Sentinel Mountain Ranges

38:08 And this dovetails with what recent insiders have been telling us, that there are these extraterrestrial motherships that are buried deep under the Antarctic ice and that the pre-Adamites in stasis chambers there. They're about to awaken and that the global elite, the Deep State people worshiped these pre-Adamites as their genetic ancestors and they basically want to awaken them and restore them to the vaulted positions that they once had. So right there you have some really interesting developments as to what is actually buried deep under the Antarctic ice in terms of motherships, extraterrestrials buried there or hidden there in stasis chambers. And these are a plan by the Deep State to awaken these people who have the elongated skulls and the forerunners for a worldwide civilization of Homo capensis which is these elongated skull beings

39:08 that these beings are going to come forward and maybe try to establish themselves as the global rulers again. I find that fascinating, and yeah the whole thing is a little convoluted especially with the ancient past there seems to be some collective memory though of a big conflict of epic scale probably exactly what we're talking about here And I had that in my notes as well, that it seems like a faction of the current cabal might be working to try to reanimate these people or somehow bring them back. And that is a creepy proposition, but it's not the only non-human element at play here because the book talks largely about a reptilian faction that seems to be very much in line with the Germans or the Nazi party. Or this faction has helped them build their crafts and

40:00 build up their bases in Antarctica, but there's also groups of Nordics that seem to be on the other side and align with us in different ways. Is that how you see it? Well that's right yes It's like what we were just discussing that conflict That was described in the books of Enoch between the positive angels and negative angels fallen and righteous angels And that tells us that these conflicts between the gods or the angels really represents different extraterrestrial factions that have been warring against one another for influence over the earth for tens of thousands of years. And so with Germany, Germany was no different in the early 1920s you had a positive group of extraterrestrials human looking extraterrestrials that first made contact with Maria Orsic and the Thule Society and they began helping them

40:52 to develop this civilian space program that would help present this information to the entire planet. So, to begin with it began as a civilian effort to kind of like share this information widely But what happened was when Adolf Hitler came to power in 1933, because he represented a more aggressive nationalist political orientation. Another group of extraterrestrials began to work with him because they were more in alignment with him and that is the reptilian group of extraterrestrials. So right there you have two different factions of extraterrestrials that

41:31 began associating themselves with the Germans in the immediate post-World War I period. and during World War II, and this is what was also occurring in Antarctica. You had the Germans some of them continued to work with this human looking group in alignment with inner earth civilizations while another group of Germans continued to work with the reptilians and build very big space fleets that would go into deep space and coordinate with the reptilians Man, so you also mentioned whistleblowers and I gotta ask you about these guys Bill Tompkins and Corey Good their testimonies are cited many times in the book. Personally i am really entertained by a lot of what they say but I just can't get over this 20 and back idea that you sign up for the secret space program you do your twenty years and then they age regress you back and you fit right back in where you were before the mission

42:33 That part alone is just a really hard pill for me to swallow. What can we look at to try and even halfway verify what these guys are saying? I know you put some stock in these whistleblowers, how have you vetted them or what can you say maybe make these claims seem more realistic and credible?" Right. Well, there's a number of things there so let me approach that in a number of ways. Firstly as far as the credibility of Corey Goode and William Tompkins is concerned what I've done in the book is match their testimonies or compared it to what other credible whistleblowers have told us one is Clark McClelland who worked with NASA he was a spacecraft operator, he was with NASA for believe it was 34 years

43:21 And he confirmed a lot of what Corey Gould and William Tompkins were saying about the Germans establishing secret space program in Antarctica, and that they had infiltrated the US military industrial complex. Another insider source was Vladimir Terzinski, who is a Bulgarian engineer who was with the Bulgarian Academy of Sciences and he was instrumental in having a lot of the Nazi SS files that the KGB had in its possession released after the collapse of the Warsaw Pact in 1991. So you had a lot of that documentation coming forward and all of that helps corroborate what Corey Goode and William Tomkins has said

44:03 In one of my previous books titled the US Navy Secret Space Program and Nordic Extraterrestrial Alliance, I produce a lot of documents that show that William Tompkins was who he says he was. That there wasn't any program that was getting this kind of information. Now as far as the 20 MBAT program is concerned what we're seeing now is white world science acknowledging that age regression is viable scientific studies have shown that you can actually regress cells and organs years. And so there's a number of programs which are white wall programs that are now studying the feasibility of this kind of age regression being used on humans, and they're talking about the next five years being when they are going to start laboratory experiments

44:59 on humans. So this is white world technology and I think for those that are kind of familiar with a lot of these covert programs understand that what occurs in the covert programs are generally 30 years or more ahead of the white world studies and programs so, that means if we now in 2018 actively implementing studies that age regress animals and are preparing to use this on humans, that means that this was done in covert laboratories at least 30 years ago. So that takes us to the early 1990's or 1980's and that's the period around which these gentlemen, Corey Good, William Tompkins and others say that these kind of age regression technologies began to be used in the covert programs

45:52 Hmm that does make some sense it is just a lot to take in right there but of course if I'm looking for some way to kind of you know accept this. It is true that UFO encounters, a lot of the time involve missing time that people seem to just have hours gone and they come back at their same time and place and of course that's a short scale version, but again we're at that same nexus of UFOs of time manipulation age regression. It kind of fits when you think about it that way

46:29 Right, and this whole thing of age going back to what the ancient records if we go to the Old Testament it talks about these pre-deluvial figures like Methuselah and Lamarck and Noah and Jared all these guys they lived to a thousand years And then the Bible talks about those after the great flood living multiple centuries and then by the time you get to Moses, Moses lived 150. Then of course we're getting Saul and David so forth and they're living normal lifespans. So it's like well what happened? I think these ancient societies did have technologies where they could live a very long time and their consciousness was different as well

47:14 So this whole kind of consciousness and technology interface is very, very important. And so I think that in this pre-flood era people could live a thousand years. And now, we've gone down a downward curve in terms of age around 70-80 years. But now we're on that upward curve again and I think we're starting to see with the technology being released, we're starting to see it with the secret space program insiders coming forward talking about how these technologies are being used and they could live a long time, how many people involved in the programs themselves can live for centuries, the Nordics and others can live for a thousand years. So I think we're now on an upward climb where human lifespan is going to be extended so this whole idea of age regression

48:03 What's really happening is that we are purifying the human body which has within it the inherent genetic disposition for living a thousand years in a youthful young body and we are removing from it all the toxic pollutants and thought forms that have made us age to where we are. So I think this whole idea of age regression, it's going to become bigger and bigger and bigger and ultimately it is something that all of us are going to start practicing to extend our lifespans Hmm, it seems like it might be an expensive process. I don't know if its going to filter down to your average person. Dr. Salah, I find this all to be fascinating stuff! I do think a lot of the pieces and elements line up nicely. It's far out but it might be one of the biggest secrets out there so people can follow your work tell them about your website anything else you got going on

48:58 Sure. My website is exopolitics.org, that's e-exo politics dot o-r-g. There I'm regularly putting up new articles so you can read all of those for free. I've got a few books on the secret space programs. The third book in the series is Antarctica's Hidden History. You could either get that from my website an autograph copy or you can get it from Amazon and I'll be doing a number of appearances soon. I'll be going to contact in the desert, in Palm Springs at the end of May or beginning of June and then later there will be a conference Dimensions Of Disclosure with Corey Good and also we're doing a webinar on Antarctica sometime in August so all those things you can go my website and get information about that

49:47 Awesome. Well, this has been a great time! Big thanks to you for being here and for walking the path less traveled. Do take care out there and keep fighting the good fight! Thanks so much Greg. Thanks for all you do to bring this information out into the public. Aloha There it is, dear listeners. There it is Dr Michael Sala been a long time coming and you got to love those birds in the background that's what happens when you do an interview outside I tried to cut a lot of the chirping out but its hard to fully quell mother nature as we know But Dr. Sahl is someone who's been requested many times over the years, and I'm glad we could finally make it happen especially after seeing an entire book focused directly on the Antarctic aspects of the big conspiracy! Funny enough i got this request specifically from The Plus Forum, and the person who requested it followed up on their post with this message where they said

50:42 It was a waste of time to post this. Carlwood is too close-minded for this info and he ignores 99% of the suggestions he gets, doesn't give a fuck about his listeners or just a cash cow for him." And that's not true! You're not just a cash cow for me. Clearly I'm not too close minded for information and maybe I do check forums for suggestions and maybe have list of 200 people long And I also have publishers and potential guests writing me themselves all the time on top of people that I'm really trying to get. So sometimes you just gotta trust me, that i'll get certain people in certain topics when I can...and be patient! Five shows a month does not take long to fill up so go easy on me. I already had to take a recent tolerance break from anything related to THC and it felt good just to decompress a bit

51:38 And I'll never forget how lucky i am to have this job, but sometimes it's a job and the customers insult me in the same breath they're requesting something from me. Sometimes it doesn't feel that much different from retail at all! But at least I can do it from home But getting back to Dr. Sala's book and the content he lays out, I've said this before so it shouldn't be a surprise—I said it to Dr. Sala earlier—but I have this problem with these super soldier 20-and-back whistleblowers there are a couple of them out there now they just don't ring true to me which does not mean that I wouldn't have them on the show but they're definitely not the first group of people I'm trying to go for

52:23 And as much as they are referenced in the book and the interview that we just had, thankfully I don't think the narrative overall depends on them. But again, and something i do like is that channeled information is at the heart of this whole thing Maria Orsich and Tesla both seem to be in contact with something giving them technology but when I asked Dr Sala for THE best evidence that the Nazis actually escaped because when we talk to a guy like Joseph Farrell about this, he thinks that it's too big of a job to not have a huge paper trail. And I respect that but Dr. Sala thought the best evidence was Admiral Byrds massive convoy down there why send it? and I think that's a fair point you could say there is a parallel between The Roswell Crash and saying it was aliens and The Byrd Expedition and saying it was about the hollow earth

53:20 Both are sort of huge, over-the-top stories to distract and bury the very real reality of this Nazi saucer factory in the land ice. I don't really take that perspective, but i could see where someone would. Because it kind of fits in that Court Lindahl type of way of hey we're putting something out there but there's really a deeper story and that's where the truth is rather than the sensationalist aspects at least that's his take and i think sometimes he's absolutely right And I could see at the time how the establishment would be happy having you believe anything except that Nazis escaped and are flying around in flying saucers. I also think the timeline of this stuff syncs up really well, let's look at that timeline he pulled together 1919 Vril get a message then there is years of development with multiple rounds and multiple models of craft

54:20 The Germans go to South America and Antarctica early in the 1940s. UFO's are seen everywhere by 1947, Operation High Jump finds them in 1947, the CIA is created in 1947, Operation Paperclip makes contact and secret deals with the Antarctic side, diplomatic negotiations ensue Then a few years after 1947, in 1952 is that UFO White House flyover. And then in 1955 the dealing opened up more cooperation and U.S.-Russian facilities in Antarctica. Then you got the out there stuff of 1960 of the saucer-fueled manned missions to the Moon, Mars and beyond occurring from that Antarctic base

55:10 We see all that stuff happening in 1961, there's the Antarctic Treaty. And then there was a big gap until 2001 when apparently that Lake Vostok anomaly got on the radar and now we have all this increased activity down here I mean there are some huge holes, some huge blind spots in that timeline but in my worldview and my conspiratorial tapestry if you will...I think it is pretty strong thread Then we throw gasoline on that fire with the pre-atomites being thawed out and all that jazz. And that, to me is what makes a good THC show We definitely hit you with some education not in the mainstream narrative and then we pop you with some way more speculative elements That can also be peppered in To say maybe this thing has many many wild wild layers

56:05 But even if you just want to get into it from a conventional politics way, you can almost do that. And I still think it's great! I still think it's explosive! Obviously Dr Sala is a big name in the ufology and exo-politics community and I am pleased that he would honor my request... ...and I'm thankful for the cranky listener who recommended him But that's another thing. If you recommend someone, and if I do see it and if I do actually get the time to digest the material which is often not something you can just skim... And then if I think it's a good fit they have to actually respond to me and want to do it so there are a fair amount of steps in that process! We're not Alcoholics Anonymous but we're up there! The big thing here that got me reflecting was that 1952 White House flyover

56:56 I've heard some researchers saying that this was a direct ET threat for not giving back the bodies and saucer from Roswell, and when i was a kid who didn't know much about this post-war Nazi element that made sense. But it seems like a very human action only humans are going to care about the posturing of a White House flyover So the idea that it was part of a strong arming of negotiations leading up to some kind of deal makes the most sense to me. Maybe Nazis were partnered with these beings, maybe they brought alien demands to the bargaining table as well as their own but either way I love hearing about it

57:34 Of course I'm skeptical of any disclosure from the top down, but that we need a new industrial revolution to stay on top argument is probably the best sounding one. But it implies that people who already have this stuff and hundreds of millions of dollars... It implies they care about us which is a nice sentiment! They might care about their companies, and if they're having problems and could usher in all this new technology and make millions more. Now there's an incentive! I've been saying it for a while now too but the Trump stuff is pretty compelling just John G Trump and Hanover Bush talking about exotic energy systems and the damn Trump name showing up on the Delshow drawings numbered 4500 that stuff is crazy

58:22 I wonder if we'll ever get the full picture, but i try to just stay neutral until we see something tangible. This is one of those topics that takes so much context, and I really wanted to go through it chronologically because I think the bullet points of the timeline is what makes the best argument for the case overall. But I realized 30 minutes in that we weren't going to get as deep into the modern parts of the story as I would have wanted in the first hour, so we switched a little bit and jumped to the end to try to get those free listeners some of that good stuff But it is the plus show that really shines with new information because we get into the use of slave labor in Antarctica, which is a big part of his book. Other inner earth elements of The Bigger Story, a deeper breakdown of how that 1952 UFO White House flyover is related and also what Dr. Sala expects to see happening in the next decade or two relating to these technologies

59:20 And of course all this business about the pre-Adamites and the Elite's goal of reviving them, Reptilians too. It is all in the mix So if you like The Hireside Chats If you've enjoyed the years of shows I've done please sign up to hear The Second Hour This is a damn good one to start with but there are so many waiting for you and your subscriptions keep me going But really just do it for you not me Do it because you like the show I make and you want to hear more of it Cash cow or not So I did want to say also in THC news, women's t-shirts are about a week away. I'm generating SKUs now had a developer work on the website just to straighten out how images were displayed and i know i got alot of ladies asking about that it is very close. I just need to get my latest interview over to the editor enjoy the 3 day E3 pass I got hooked up with get back down to San Diego and crank out the rest of the month

1:00:19 I feel like we're on a roll with some really strong shows even though Mark Passio is a bit more split than i would have thought. I'd still count him in the plus column but Michael Wan, Susquehanna Alchemy and Jason Louvre on John Dee loved both those shows and they pair nicely so I did take a few risks with the scheduling this month We might run into some hits and misses and if that happens I'll steer us right back on course with some guarantees I can depend on But we're always going for gold, so we'll see what happens. I hope you trust me by now to know when a course correction is needed and at least see where i'm coming from with some of the chances that I do take but I will see you as the road unfolds again sign up for THC plus at the higher side chats plus dot com it's only five bucks and you get a shitload of benefits in twice as much show

1:01:14 And I'm getting out of here. Big thanks again to Dr Michael Sala and all you fine folks out there in my digital wonderland, i've done my part Your move Antarctic Nazis inner earth reptiles and pre-atomites of the apocalypse your fucking move This is important hear what I said? I'm trying to tell you It's not paranoia not in my head It's just the hard truth Knocked on your door, I still can't To ask you cuz' i know your head is still in the sand Don't be sheep till you're slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed but you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did ya get the memo? Can't you see that we are so screwed? Don't you know where our car is

1:02:17 Can't you just admit we're screwed? I'm gonna tell you this anyway It's a scary dark world, scurrier every day Okay! Can't you see that we're so- You sit and wish but we don't have a choice It seems we're stuck here But you can find nose to drown out the noise Now use that altar End up your magic game

1:02:59 I listen to THC, you know You go with the ed tees If you ever see a photo Don't be sheep till ya slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed But you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did you get the memo? Can't you say that we're so screwed? Don't you know where our cum- Can't you just admit we're screwed I'm gonna tell you this anyway It's his world, and it's scarier every day Be okay Can't you see? Don't be sheep to your slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed But you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did ya get the memo

1:04:28 Can't you see that we're so screwed? Don't you know we're our kung fu?