Dr. Jennifer Daniels | The Lethal Dose, The Standard Of Care, & The Turpentine Truth

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01:38 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. From 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration we offer a fresh conversation. These are the Hireside Chats. Here we go, Hireside Chatters from sunny San Diego! I'm Greg Carlwood and we know the Controller Class can be quite crafty in widening the chasm between them and us...

02:15 They lower the standards in education, they promote media consumption at a level they would never allow at home. They seed health draining iPads and digital technologies in the classroom... And they infuse the public water supply with toxic chemicals Of course it might be more exciting to talk about MKUltra mind control and alien bases on the dark side of the moon But where The Rubber really meets the road when it comes to being controlled and ground down by the big machine is their attack on the health of your body and strength of your mind By steering you wrong in terms of diet, crafting addictive nutrient-devoid frankenfood to replace what you need and using harsh petrochemical pills to fill the gaps you're missing and subdue the very signals from your body that something is wrong. Pile on the very real reality of overprescription and it becomes clear that someone or something atop the western medical system in the very intertwined food industry is intentionally driving more death

03:10 and in more subversive ways than many of us are even aware of. Well, today's guest Dr Jennifer Daniels is certainly aware of all these things and more, and she is widely considered one of the leading alternative health physicians alive! She graduated from Harvard University with honors, and her education continued at the University of Pennsylvania where she received her medical degree and also attended Wharton where she received her MBA in Healthcare Administration She practiced medicine for 10 years as a board-certified family practice physician where she saw firsthand the power of natural methods which led to her creating her well known product, Vitality Capsules. She has also been coaching clients to successfully heal naturally since 1985 and she is the author of the award winning book Do You Have The Guts To Be Beautiful? As well as the very bold and blunt book The Lethal Dose Murder By Medicine Is No Accident!

04:01 It is a true honor to have her here, the pharmaceutical complex whistleblower Turpentine Truth Teller and the naturopathic practitioner expat from Panama. Dr. Jennifer Daniels welcome to The Higher Side! It's a pleasure to be here Yes, this is a big day for me. I just have so much respect for what you do and your perspective and i am excited to get to share it with the audience here! I know almost every interview starts with your story but we gotta do that too as i mentioned you are in Panama now but clearly you were educated and practicing in the US yeah To get us going here tell people the story of your medical career and just how you ended up leaving the country

04:43 Well, it's pretty much the story of the truckers. It's the identical same story. So I went to Harvard and was admitted with great fanfare. I was a Radcliffe National Scholar which means they felt when they admitted me that I was among the 5% most outstanding students admitted that year. Very big honor! National Merit Scholar as well graduated with honors cum laude When i was my third year of harvard it became very obvious that I was going to get into medical school at excellent grades everything is going well. Let me go to the world famous library and i want research how doctors can help people live longer because i wanna be a really good doctor great job

05:35 And so I went to this library, which is internationally famous. Which in order to get into it takes a permit if you're not a student people actually pay monthly fees access the library it's quite an amazing thing and back then 70s when I went there they had documents that were not permitted for the public seat So I went to the library to look up this thing and I spent hours there. And what did I find? That in 1978, 77 there was zero evidence that medical care, medical intervention extended the length of anyone's life by even a day. That's why I said hmmm. I said well what does extend life so then I researched that and extending a person's life is super simple it's clean water clean food

06:27 shelter and sanitation. That's it, the whole ball of wax." I said, oh interesting! So should i become an architect or something? What is going on here?" And then I said okay fine, so far along things are going well, I'm gonna go to medical school and surely they will mention this. Not a word, not a word but medical school was really troubling because I didn't see anybody get better based on our interventions And every intervention, it was presumed that it would fail. We had a secondary backup intervention and so on and so on. And we never solved any problem. Every disease had no cause and no cure. So by the time I graduated, I realized it didn't take four years to teach me No cause, no cure Take this pill See me every three months for life No matter what the affliction That's the answer

07:23 I was not happy. But also, I planned to go back to my inner city area and practice medicine in the same neighborhood that I grew up in So at the end of each year, when the cures failed to materialize I went to the dean and said hey what's the problem here? Where are the cures you know. I came here learn how to get people better. Next semester next semester next semester and finally next semester became well graduation time And then when i went to see him he said have you ever thought...I said look I'm going back to ghetto they don't do malpractice it is not safe for me to take this kind of useless information back into that environment He said, well have you ever thought about not going back to the ghetto? Maybe you should go practice someplace else. What?! They said, whoa! Okay, okay, that's not a good answer. Next year when you go residency, you'll learn the real cures. I said okay, so pack my bags and we're off to residency and that's what the lethal dose is based on what happened in residency. It was carnage it was just death murder and mayhem.

08:23 I actually turned in my letter of resignation, but the head honcho at the hospital said well what do we got to do make you stay? Well what do you mean so what do you want. So well I'll tell you what...I want to get certified practice medicine at the end of my year that's why i'm here! I want thats okay great got it I want either the doctors to stop hassling me or if they do, I get to hassle them right back. He says absolutely you can tell him anything you want and he got my permission. Tell him off curse about it if you like that's okay. And if you see orders written that are damaging to the patient You don't have to follow them let someone else out of them. It's okay fun good because what had happened in The Lethal Dose is

09:11 This patient had been absolutely destroyed. I'm like, okay that's it last straw. I'm out of here and so when they agreed to do those things I said okay fine I'll stay and I finished my year graduated and went on to My National Service Corps obligation Indian Reservation for three years had my first baby went into medical practice. And so the reservation was important because I was the Medical Director and we had a global budget, in other words if i recommended medicine, we had the pharmacy right there that could dispense it for their left

09:51 We had a tight-knit family on the reservation, so if we prescribed something for person A, person B, C, D, E all got involved to make sure they took their medicine. So we didn't have an income problem but didn't have a compliance problem which is the reason medical school told me no one got better and still no one got better I'm like ooh that's bad! And then I went on and returned to the ghetto where I grew up bought a city block built a medical office building opened my practice And the first three years of the practice, I pretty much followed the standard care. I noticed a few people died but we were told in medical school that little people die. But then I said okay let me review the charts of people who died to see if there's something i can do better without fail every single dead person was on medications number one two had seen a specialist who reviewed and adjusted those medications and three the patient was totally compliant never missed an appointment or test well so all my

10:50 Disobedient, non-compliant patients. They all live but the compliant ones die. I said that's not good so then I am giving everyone a choice between natural stuff doing nothing standard of care you know dietary changes and when i gave people a choice I told them you don't have to take these medicines if you feel uncomfortable while taking them you can stop the medicine The death rate in the practice went to zero By the 10th year of my practice, I was prescribing no medicines at all. I was not prescribing medicine and also lived in the same ghetto where my office was and had kids during this time so of course I was interested in things like murder rate right? I'm just not happy with that. So I got involved demolishing drug dens and got the murder rate down to zero then I wasn't happy with

11:52 this $30 million bond issue. I had an MBA from Wharton, so I understood finance a bit more than the average individual and so after really investigating it, I thought holy crap! This is not a bond issue. This was a 30 million dollar bank heist. So stupid me, I had no idea. I decided well I need to report this bank robbery to the authorities right? So I reported to authorities only to find out that they were the ones robbing the bank and then I said well Let me tell the bank that they're being robbed, see what they think. Oh my God! The bank was furious and so the bank stopped the bank heist and then basically long story short I lost my license and i was put on a terrorist list and two do not employ lists. So I was where the truckers are. I had no right to work then my bank accounts started getting seized

12:54 People I did business with their accounts started getting seats. So basically, I ended up where the Canadian truckers are but You know 15 actually 20 years earlier Right. And that's a great analogy to draw for sure and there are so many little aspects to the story in the book that are just mind blowing, this is how a person is attacked One of things I was going to mention when you tried to fly it seemed like your ticket would have this symbol on it that's like four S's Talk about that what was your airport experience during this time? Oh! It was terrifying! It was horrific

13:38 you know, you buy your ticket and go up to the counter. Well first of all I got a counter and they ask if see your passport okay fine And then they swipe your passport and something comes up on their screen i have no idea what it is but this lady something came up in her screen and eyes get really wide like oh! Oh! And she just froze and she went to get the supervisor as she brought the supervisor to the screen and pointed at the screen Supervisor looked at the screen looked at me. I guess she figured out it couldn't be that harmless or that harmful, whatever the screen was showing had no idea to this day and she said to that ticketing agent give her the ticket they'll take care of it at security so now I'm a little bit of stress right? So I go to security and they ask for my ticket which has four S's on it and then he takes his highlighter and highlights the four Ss in yellow

14:39 He asked for my passport, and then now that's not enough. I need a driver's license." Okay you're giving that to you? And then the PA system starts blaring airport security emergency gate whatever which is where i was. I see this people in black uniform with police written big letters all over them running. They were going pretty fast clip with nightsticks and guns and everything like oh my god they're coming for me! Oh, you can imagine right? So meanwhile this guy who's pushed the proper panic buttons has told me oh you can go ahead. And so I go ahead and they have all these different security things they do, they extra your luggage fine there was nothing suspicious then as a step over here and open my luggage start throwing my clothes around yelling and screaming at me

15:35 They have this long stick with cotton something on it and they swab your computer. I didn't know what that was but now i know, that's them looking for cocaine or drug residues in your computer so if you ever use drugs like since you own the computer its gonna screen positive for drugs and then they have a next pretense to take you too, idk whats next But! I never used drugs So they didnt find anything So then they start yelling at me and screaming and demanding, why am I traveling? Where am I going? La la. And like look we got a problem here of security. I'm a patriotic American. I will strip nude right here just for my country. I want to make sure it's safe flight. Then they have a meltdown as I started taking my clothes off so this was the ordeal each time that I flew. Man! It was just overwhelming. There is a lot to go through even telling you its like ohhhhhh

16:27 I can imagine. So you are put on two do not hire lists, you are put on this terrorist watch list and it seems like it has more to do with you uncovering this little bit of corruption than it does the things that you're doing in your medical practice but... Well the government controls the doctor's licensure And this is what makes your doctor nothing more than a government agent. He's not working for you no matter how much money you pay the doctors, he's working for the government." Yes that's a great point! He's working to keep his license so... What happened when I as they say got out of my lane and got involved in this bank heist? I thought i was just being a good citizen. A 30 million dollar bank robbery has a lot of money you know So I just thought it was being responsible citizen but obviously

17:15 I was seriously naive. I had totally miscalculated the whole situation." So what happens though, since the government controls licensure is they can make it about licensure and just the same way we have total media congruity in terms of the fictitious story over the past two years there is a total media...I mean you think that government owned the media? I don't know every single media is Dr Daniel's, it's a danger Board is investigating. I'm like, oh my god! Did they do something wrong? What happened?! And so ultimately they said look we want to see the charge of the 5,000 patients who ever saw you during your 10 years of medical practice

18:02 And this is basically tantamount to really freezing the accounts of anyone who ever sent you money, right? So now they get to investigate every single patient I have using their medical records as a weapon. Like whoa whoa whoa we're stopping it right here whatever you guys got to do with me you're going to do it to me but there's no way I'm going to allow you to violate and abuse people who have supported me and fed my family over these 10 years. I just walk away that's what takes keep a license I don't need one Man, so you get pushed out and you have to decide where to go. And I think more and more people are considering a move out of the United States. I know I am. So I like to ask when I have a guest who's done it- Let's back up. Rest of the story because let's be honest here. So at 2000 is when I lost my license with 2000 2008, I thought I could work things out. I thought, hey, this is my country. I'm a patriotic citizen and surely we can get things set right

18:59 No. So by the time 2008 rolled around, I was unable to sleep at night not knowing when the government would maybe break down my door and disappear me. I didn't know when the next time was that I'd be called into court over who knows what? It was just terrifying absolutely terrifying so I couldn't sleep at night and I was terrified during the day and I realized that I always say, I realize that's not true. I had a friend who was from Africa and he was marrying his kids and he invited me in my kids to his house one day and they were my patients as well so invite me to this house and when my kids played with his kids and I guess talked with his wife or whatever He asked me please go in the kitchen with him And I said oh okay So we went into the kitchen sent me down says you've got to leave the country You don't have choice it's time to go From Africa I've seen this before When government does this you have to leave if you do not have choice

19:58 I said, oh my goodness. Well where should i go? He said you should go to Central or South America. I said really what country he says it doesn't really matter. But your problem is going to be that you're a single woman and it's very dangerous blah blah blah and he just was so firm about that and I thought about it took me a couple months and I said you know what he's right gotta get out of here And so that is what happened now What happened in those eight years was I had net worth of about 760 000 when the whole thing started By the time I figured out to leave in 08, I had a net worth of negative $275,000. So basically I've lost about a million dollars between legal fees supporting my family and trying to figure out different ways to make money and so

20:50 I left. But now before I left, about a year before I left... Of course the whole story was famous right? It was always newspapers TV radio and everyone's looking for second installment oh Dr. Diego is gonna make it you know okay so these guys two white guys heard the story and they had the white guy perspective which is very helpful this one totally against equality I'm totally against discrimination totally, totally because the fact that people are different a lot of times is what saves you. So these guys these two white guys had totally different perspectives one guy had started many different businesses and was very successful at that the other guy was his nephew who was at that time a young man in his 20's and he totally understood totally got the internet I did not understand it didn't understand it all so they both marched right into my office one day

21:46 I didn't know why we're still going to the office because there's no people nothing happening is to have it and they walked in They said are you dr. Daniels? Yes, I am and they said we're here to help you We know what your problem is. We've got the answer really Well that's a different approach sure and he said the internet is the answers gonna make me rich so really Well, what do I have to do? Give us $3,000. We'll put you online and that will solve your problems." I said all right, three thousand dollars cheaper than a lawyer they kept their word They put me online they hooked up the payment processor everything and by time I left finally decided to leave The country I was making between zero and a thousand dollars a month But wait they must have hooked me up five years of 2003 2004 is when they hit it And i didn't understand

22:40 the power of the internet or even anything how to use it. So, the first five years I just didn't really make any money. I made enough money not starve to death. Enough to buy a little food but that brings us up in 2008 but those guys were absolutely pivotal. Absolutely pivotal! And that's pretty early for an internet business for sure But they knew he had the young nephew who figured it out He himself was multiple you know had many businesses going very successfully at a house in Florida House in New York and lived in just really the best part of town. There weren't any blacks living at that part of town, Syracuse might have changed by now I don't know but before i left he had a stroke interesting and yeah very bad stroke and that was the end of that and I contacted his nephew and said hey you know can I go visit him? He says no no no no no you can't visit him His wife's in charge she hates all this natural people so just leave it alone not gonna recognize them anyway So that was the end

23:42 Well, I've heard you say you wish you moved to Panama sooner. It's pretty clear from the story why you would say that but for the people who might be afraid to leave their comfort zone what can you say about being an expat in Panama? Well first of all let's talk about that comfort zone if you are comfortable in that comfort zone then stay don't leave That's the answer and that's the truth. So my comfort zone, I was in the United States and literally my comfort zone had vanished there was no comfort so for me looking at an unknown country where i didn't even speak the language was a relief. So I say if enough stuff in America is working out for you then maybe it's not time for you to leave if you're comfortable there

24:35 Don't leave your comfort zone. I didn't have a comfort zone when i left Fair enough. Well, I think a lot of us see the writing on the wall here and are probably thinking about leaving before we get a target on our own backs individually. I know I am but the unknown is intimidating for a lot of people Panama has been a good experience for you and yes You were pushed to that decision But how has it been maybe different from what? You might have thought as an American that could have had a little trepidation about leaving I did not I finally realized that i had to go. I got on a plane, went to Austria and checked it out for a week. Didn't even stay the full week out of here. Went to St Lucia, went to Jamaica...I was buying tickets to anything I could think of and trying it out for you know day or week whatever. Panama won because people were so friendly and the locals and even fellow American expats were very kind and nice

25:37 So that's what did it to me. Also, the cost of living was so low I was in the United States at that point 2008 and I could not all my frugality get my monthly expenses below $3,000 a month and that was just not possible for me too. I didn't have the cash. I was in debt And I can only go much further in debt before I was totally insolvent So I had to get out. And at that point you could live in Panama on $500 a month, which I can swing that well maybe that's the place people should be looking because I think that was $500 a month and oh eight so what is it now? In 2022 probably increased a lot, a lot. I would say realistically 1,500 a month you could live make ends meet and be happy

26:28 On $500 a month back then, I could pay rent, internet, electric, cell phone bill. Go out at least once a week and do one or two international trips a year on $500 a month now you couldn't do that so talking to different people they tell me now the number is closer to 1,000 500 a month Well, it's interesting because I think Americans are conditioned to just be ignorant of the rest of the world and be even a little bit fearful of the rest of the world and think that it's all just crime lords in gangs. And it's nice to know that there's plenty of places people can go that are quite enjoyable and much better. Every place you go, there is crime every place you go as a way to become a victim

27:23 So you've got to make up your mind, you're not going to. The pattern I've noticed in people in Panama who become victims is they are buying or selling drugs or they are buying and selling sex. Or they fail to take just routine security precautions that they would take in the United States. For example if a stranger knocks on your door and you say oh come on in maybe he'll ask a few questions. Hmm. Well, to get into your book The Lethal Dose you write adequately discussing the lethal dose and why your doctor is most certainly prescribing it demands that I first define lethal dose and how that concept was introduced to me in medical school right? Well this was really eye-opening for me what's the deal here? Okay so you as a

28:21 layperson, you understand a lethal dose to be a dose of medicine that would kill someone. That's your understanding in medical school the lethal dose is expressed or the safety is expressed as a ratio between the amount prescribed and The lowest dose known To result in death that's a ratio So if the ratio is one that means that those who doctors prescribing are has been known to kill people. Ratio is one, so for many drugs like blood thinners the ratio is one, blood pressure medications ratio is one, Tylenol ratio is 1. So for a lot of drugs that are commonly used the dose known to cause death is the same or less than the commonly prescribed dose

29:21 Right. It's like we know that drug companies do everything they can to get more people on their products, but they do get patients to consume as much of it as they can until hitting that LD50 level and we don't hear as many people talking about that. Well, LD 50 is the same but what about LD zero? I mentioned that in the book. What about LD 10? What about the dose at which ten percent of folks taking it died? Is it okay to prescribe that dose? I wouldn't think so. The other thing too, again using LD50 as a deadly dose that means until the doctor's killing half of all the folks he prescribes it for He is not prescribing the lethal dose. That's a convention like using zero as a space saver in numbers

30:06 Right, and it's just so crazy. You go through a couple of examples of drugs in the book and the numbers are just super eye-opening I guess for you The first one was Coumandin is that how you pronounce it? Coumandin, blood thinner right talk about that as an example of how this works So Coumadin is a blood thinner and it makes the blood thin. Supposedly, if you have a stroke caused by blood clot the doctor puts you on Coumadin and it thins your blood so that you don't have any more blood clots that cause strokes What they don't tell you is Coumadin thins your blood so now the blood leaks out of the blood cells and you kind of have a slow motion stroke And eventually the Coumadin's going to kill you with hemorrhagic strokes which are much more difficult almost impossible to recover from

30:55 Same thing with taking coumadin for you know deep vein thrombosis in your leg and they've done research reports on safety, which is very important. And so what they calculated is how many people would die untreated say from a leg blood clot? All right We got that number let's call it 10 then I said if I'm you can prescribe How much coumadin do you have to prescribe at what dose and how long to kill ten people as well They then say they presume that It's okay to prescribe the Coumadin up to and including Coumadin killing the number of people who would have been saved. So when a number of people whose lives would have been saved equals, the number of people killed by the drug that's the safe dosage and frequency and duration for the drug. Now notice there is no net benefit to the public right? The same number of people are dying you're just selling more drugs. And more doctors visits too of course

31:53 And so of course, stupid me. Medical school raised my hand. Can't we just prescribe the Coumadin until it saves a life and not until people die? What's that dose? Like oh we haven't done that research yet And we hear about these little isolated incidents. Like a lot of people are talking about remdesivir with COVID, people talk about the HIV drug but this is an industry standard. It's not an isolate incident it's every single drug, every single drug this is true whether its Tylenol or whether it's Aspirin, whether it's an inhaler for asthma all drugs are being prescribed at this level of lethality. Yeah, that's what I was getting at is people need to understand that it isn't these isolated stories there might be a story that gets you to think about medicine in these terms but then you widen out and it is industry standard correct? Correct! And you've used the term standard of care well let's talk about that how does it get established very mysteriously

32:55 So when we were in medical school, I asked okay standard of care great no problem. Hey i'm a team player how do I find out what the standard of care is? Let me go get it sent and practice it! The problem with that was making it that cut-and-dry is then the drug rep would not be able to influence doctors during his visit right because they'd say whoa whoa whoa whoa I have a standard of care here you're not on it get out of here so basically the standard of cure is what the doctor down the street would Like, you know if you're Christian is what would Jesus do? If your doctor's what was the doctor down the street did so this means a doctor is totally prohibited as you can see from providing Individualized care to people right mm-hmm. The doctor down the street didn't see your patient So he might not Do it is clearly obviously in the best interest of this patient because he didn't see this patient

33:47 So it creates a very low standard of mediocrity. So that's one thing the standard care does, the other thing is standard of care does leaving at this vague is a hospital administrator gets to step with the standards of care based on profit. This has gone to court. This has been legally disputed and in New York state is clear hospitals won their allowed tell the doctor exactly what drugs use and not use in our hospital based on their bottom line. Wow! Yeah, so I stopped admitting patients in the hospital because I would admit a patient to the hospital write all the orders Go back home and I got him at 2 a.m To do this and then wake up in the morning only defined every drug I wrote for had been substituted or changed All right, then I said well that's just dangerous It's okay So now I got the patients family to bring it all The drugs from home that he was on I wrote for them And all the nurses are doing is going to bedside and administer it

34:42 Then they started prohibiting even that. And that was when I said, no forget it. I'm not going to be a part of this bloodshed and this killing. Man, yes I had this quote from the book down that kind of summarizes all the aspects of this but you say The standard of care is transmitted to doctors through mailings through continual medical educational conferences and textbooks. It's not something he's free to ignore when doctors ignore the standard of care they can lose their hospital privileges as you mentioned and therefore their right to earn money by working at hospitals

35:17 They can also be subject to malpractice lawsuits because malpractice law is very clear and says that if a doctor fails to adhere to the standard of care, then they can be found liable. So the doctors in a little bit of a pickle here as you say and this obviously keeps everyone in line. And when you reverse engineer it all back, the standard of care is often set by the drug companies themselves who are incentivized throw as many drugs out there as they can without it being obvious they're killing people, kind of is one way to put it. It's worse than that you have the drug companies which you've just described but then you have the insurance companies many insurance companies simply process claims and whatever their claims cost they get to keep a percentage with that amount

36:02 as a processing fee. So the insurance companies actually don't have an incentive to cut costs or reduce drug usage. Yeah, that's clearly another important layer. Right? So they pile on with their standard of care, the drug company I mean, the insurance companies and then the hospitals have their own standard of care. And now with the emergence of mega clinics and HMOs, they have a standard of care. You know this one doctor who is subjected to three or four often conflicting standards of Man and you have a chart in the book that obviously is a little dated. I'm sure the numbers still check out. Oh, no larger than my father Okay, I went back to redo the read you the chart and literally I started crying because the

36:44 the numbers top a million. Oh my gosh, yeah in the book it's about 850 000 a year die from the standard of care being followed now it's over a million what more can you tell people about the details in there? There's a lot of wild stuff that's happening huge numbers of people dying from just following the conventional western medical advice for a thoroughly competent well-trained certified doctor And your doctor is absolutely doing the right thing. You have no legal recourse because malpractice is based on him following the standard of care, if he harms you but he followed a standard of care then hey! No money for you." But that standard of care is the most harmful thing he can do so The other thing I'd say is what's really going on now as things have progressed So with the advent of electronic records all of your records

37:44 are basically released to the government, the property of the government, insurance companies and drug companies. And really anyone else who wants to know before you even get home from a doctor's office. Wow! Yeah and they're advancing that more and more throughout the last two years and going forward? But not only that I mean what's really good people worry about Facebook oh i'm gonna delete my facebook so they don't track me What about your medical record and that information? With the information, your medical record, you know, your next of kin, your date of births, your social security number where you work. Your address, the name of your dog if you have a dog if you own guns where you store them what religion is what church you worship at all this in your medical records doctors are told to ask these questions so it's happening now is the major customer or citizen surveillance

38:33 mechanism is totally going under the radar. And everyone's looking over at social media when it's your doctor that has you underspelt. Great points! And so we have over a million people a year in America dying from the best Western medicine has to offer, And what surprised me is when you break it down, at least in the numbers in the chart over 30,000 related to surgeries. Over 60,000 related to hospital bed sores I mean that's probably surprising to people. This doesn't seem like first world first rate care. So what America is going through now with the present situation?

39:18 Is that people are no longer being socially rewarded for believing the common delusion of the day. So back then when I wrote that book, if you took your elderly person to the hospital and they died in any of those causes listed in that chart You were a good person. You did the right thing but doctor did his best Oh doc we're so happy that you were there And so everyone has positive, warm fuzzy feel-good feelings about murdering grandma. Okay? But now what's happening is you have a similar situation being done and extended to the whole population and people are beginning to feel like they're a sucker like they've been had they're not being rewarded for example if you took mom to the hospital before well he collected your sick day

40:16 You got paid at work, all kinds of pretty nice okay things happen. But now you say to a person we want you to totally cooperate with and believe the delusion of the day and your reward for believing this delusion is you can no longer work, you have no income, you guys stand six feet away from people that you were holding hands with yesterday, you've gotta wear a mask, you've gotta get stabbed like a voodoo doll So the reward for believing the delusion is not there and in the medical system What they did when I was still a doctor is if you were a doctor You could hand out poisons to your patients, but do natural stuff at home If you wanted to huh now what they're saying is no No, no. No know if you're gonna be a part of The killing fields you've got to toss your life your own life into the ring

41:18 You can't be a hypocrite. So what's happening now, people are going through is all of the positive reinforcements and incentives economic and cultural for participating in the delusion have been removed. Right? That's a very important point and it's probably the catalyst for why so many people are Looking for other answers these days. I'm seeing even if it's just confusion, they're coming out of that fog and they're looking for the natural ways again and maybe that's the silver lining. Well wait a minute! They're not looking to the natural... well you can say they are looking at their natural ways

41:57 But they're coming out of this very warm thing you call the comfort zone where they were getting the rewards that they needed, the social acceptance and social praise. The economic sufficiency whether it's a full belly or roof over their head whatever their economic needs were met. They are now looking for another way to get those same needs met and many of them are not looking to freedom as an option but they're looking for a better servant And that is where the hazard lies. Right, another great point and so a story we hear time and time again is that cheaper natural solutions that people wouldn't expect to work actually do and far superior to Western medicine in all its technology

42:48 all its accreditations and all this stuff. And this is something you found with turpentine, and the story is just really fascinating. Can you talk to us about how you learned about turpentine? And some of the history of it's use I know this is a transition but I'm trying to fit into that first hour Okay, so people can go to my website vitality cycles calm and get the whole report for free It's an amazing read it reads like a mystery story in action novel almost But basically as I mentioned my medical practice the death rate in the practice went to zero when I gave people choice however what I noticed was

43:30 I was able to reverse disease, but only as long as the person was totally compliant. If they missed something like a glass of water or didn't have three poops at two instead, or if they ate a candy bar, bam! They were sick again as if they hadn't ever done anything." And I said well this is not what I'm after. I am really after resetting that person back to their pre-illness, pre sickness condition Where they can eat an occasional candy bar or drink an occasional soda pop and the world won't fall apart. So what is it that's going to actually reverse their condition, and make them healthy again? At first I knew the answer did not lie in a drug so forget that

44:17 So I started reading all kinds of natural healing books and after you've read a few books You really get a little discouraged because it's just nothing more than an advertisement for a supplement, right? There's not really a whole lot here. And so I went through about 300 books didn't find anything then I was homeschooling my kids And so I noticed I got this thing black history month, right? So this thing came across my desk black history month Yeah, yeah, and it says well, you know During slave times, the medicines used by the slave was the most effective. More effective than the medicine used by the Indians, medicines used by poor rural colonials or the medicine used by the wealthy and when the wealthy slave owner became sick so sick that his doctor said this is it give away everything you own then the end is near he would literally go to the slave quarters and say what I had to give you whatever you want just get me better

45:16 And so they would get them better. I'm like, huh? I wonder what that thing was that they used and I could not find out what it was. And finally said whoa, I have people in my medical practice who are descended from slaves Let me ask them so I started asking him finally one person said oh my god Must be that turpentine He thought he'd escaped because his mother and grandmother made him take it every week So when he came north in addition to leaving the difficult situation in the South, he thought he had left turpentine behind. And so for me to ask him about it was there anything that cured everything super cheap and used by your mother or grandmother? He says oh it was turpentine! He said whenever anyone got sick she'd come running with that bottle of turpentine and I said well great

46:10 Okay, so how much? How often?" He says oh no no no it's turpentine sugar. I don't know how much and I don't know how often. Well well So when did she die? Oh she's still alive! She's in a nursing home? No no no! She's 92 years old taking care of her own house sweeping the floor cooking our own food. Really?! Yep. I just want to be like a doctor. Well, you know she keeps herself pretty much these days. That was it that is all I had going on turpentine sugar. So I said, okay! I went down to the hardware store and got turpentine. Went to the grocery store and got some sugar cubes. And I said okay gonna find out something here at Drop Dead One. And so i wrote my will on top of the fridge where it could be easily found. I told my receptionist if I didn't show up for work don't worry just cancel the patients.

47:01 Then I went home and took turpentine. I started off with one drop, I took one drop in a sugar cube and nothing happened! I was like oh my god nothing happened! I felt like i'd gotten away with something you know? So it turned out that I had to go all the way up to a teaspoon and then boom! It was like my whole mind cleared up...I felt just as energetic and strong and sharp as when I was 11 years old. And I said, oh this is interesting. And so then I had of course there's no end to sick people right? So I had my sister-in-law and mother and my sister try it out and it was just amazing. People's aches and pains went away they felt better their digestion improved It was just amazing! Okay I'm going to offer this to my patients who have incurable things like lupus or crippling arthritis or mysterious stuff that's incurable

47:56 And I got wonderful, excellent results. And then I started expanding it to more and more people and it was just amazing! So finally, I did a recording of my findings in the dosing and scheduling and everything. Then when I left the country, I transcribed the recording and then adapted for written format. Well before I adapted it, i met this marketer because I was working online and kind of floundering. Wasn't really doing great and so I listened to all these things about how to do better and they said well you got if you've got a product that's worthwhile you need to buddy up with the marketer And I didn't realize this but there is alot of marketers online who could honestly they can sell ice to an Eskimo But they don't have worthwhile products to market but they have incredible marketing skills

48:48 So I found such a marketer and he said, okay. And we did it. We launched the manuscript which was just a PDF and sold $35,000 in one week. Wow. Yes. But then of course he was an unusual guy who is a raw food person. He says, okay that's it taking my portion. I'm going off to Hawaii to eat raw vegetables. Can we do a follow up? We can get a roll here. It's like, ah no I'm out of here goodbye." So there I was but the internet being the internet the report was ripped off it was plagiarized... not even plagiarized just stolen and given away for free people were getting such amazing results that they said no one should ever have to pay for this oh no right but you can pay for stuff that kills me. The same Googlers what are they called them

49:49 the new able communists who don't believe they should pay their student loans. Yeah, so those people and they put this on every single little heal yourself billboard of the internet all over the YouTube with some introductory blah blah blah and then the link it was so I just- The whole stream was just gone So i couldn't sell it anymore because it was available for free Then I hired a marketer and told him my sob story, and he called me stupid. He said, oh you're so stupid." I said okay educate me. He says look this free report is giving you free advertising that would cost you millions. So now all you do is start a product where you can teach people how to implement the report. Oh! And then when I did that things really turned around and exploded. Would that be the vitality capsules that work in conjunction with the turpentine?

50:46 Right, that was actually built into the report which was actually the truth. So what happened is I had to invent vitality capsules in order for people my medical practice to be able turpentine because a lot of them were not pooping three times a day. Right, and that's in a very important part of the process but I wanted to ask you about the labeling of turpentine because as you say in that report if you go to find it on the store shelves which is a hardware store funny enough yeah you will find some pretty crazy labels that say things like known to cause birth defects in the state of California fatal

51:23 deadly if swallowed, contact your doctor immediately. If you put any of this in your mouth call poison control immediately if swallowed." How did a miracle cure get such aggressive warnings on it? It turned out that the drug industry lobby did that and they even tried to get Vicks vapor rub taken off the market because it contains turpentine but Vick's fought and got Congress to give them an exemption for topical use And they basically said you could not use turpentine as an ingredient in any liquid pharmaceutical. As late as 1975, there was Turpenhydrate which is a liquid turpentine cough syrup that was on the market in the United States

52:15 When I entered medical school in 79 people swore by it like oh my god, doc Please give me a strip that turpentine right back. So I had a terrible call doctor right out So I went to senior doctor and said Oh patient wants trip and hyper at no tripping hydrate for him giving some robot us and hmm Everyone knows Robitussin doesn't really do all that much and this patients asking for something that's worked in the past Why aren't we getting it? So well, you know, we just don't do that anymore And so that was my first inkling, but I didn't realize terpenhydrate was turpentine. And of course the internet wasn't available then you couldn't really research things quickly right? I would have to take half an hour to walk to a library another hour to look stuff up and one thing they make sure in medical school is you have no time it's 90-hour week grind So that happened! Then they moved turpentine out at the grocery store then they moved it out of the pharmacy

53:14 hardware stores all these warnings on it. And I remember as a child the public service announcements, house reparteeing is dangerous you have to get out of the house or it'll kill your children and then of course California, the king of paternalism or queen of paternalism declares that dangerous and cancer causing. Right? For people who don't know what it is, its the essential oil of the pine tree basically and for people who might doubt This story, you actually cite that if you go to the Merck Manual which was published in 1899 and you look up turpentine it will let you know that turpentine therapy is effective against gonorrhea meningitis arthritis abdominal difficulties and lung disease. That's a pretty widespread right there And of course a lot of other things Well actually you can't look up turpentine You can't look up turpentine in the Merck manual It's not organized that way So

54:11 The 1899 Merck Manual is only 175 pages, it's so short. But you look under each disease in the manual and you see turpentine listed as a cure for every disease. Just do a page turn. Interesting! Now the problem of course is that it's listed in minimums and drops and thises and thats... It's totally unintelligible to modern man because the units are not proper, but it is there and you know is considered to be the cure. And that's the important thing to understand and from that You can go to vitalitycycles.com and look at my English version using modern-day measurements Mm-hmm, and you have a protocol that you recommend people should Make sure they're engaging with before getting too turpentine right really the things everybody should probably doing period But what are those things? Well I think

55:09 Maybe to say why should you do those things right like why sure because in the old days kids were given turpentine as early as two months of age and so because they were given turpentine on a regular basis at such an early age the body adapted to turpentine and Created systems for processing parasites whereas modern-day person. Let's say you're an adult You're 20 40 60 years old your body has not been exposed to trypantin and has not developed those pathways for processing parasites. And when you introduce trypantin into your body, there's literally a mad rush for these parasites that want to leave like oh my god! Oh get out of here it's just terrible. So if you don't have the exit channels, the desirable ones open then the parasite will rearrange themselves and make you very uncomfortable so that's why you need to prepare yourself

56:03 You need to hydrate yourself, drink enough water. That would be one quart per 60 pounds of body weight I recommend distilled water that'd be purified water It's critical because parasites are actually in the water supply as well as the food supply but at least don't drink them So hydrate yourself, poop three times a day. More is fine but at least three times today poop and that way your intestines things are moving along moving along moving along and so your liver can just dump the parasites into the flow just dump them into the flow and The parasites don't get stuck in your body And go to your brain and give you a headache or to your lungs and give you a cough it's your skin and give You a rash

56:49 So then you want to simplify your diet so that you're not eating any more parasites. And a fine point most people don't seem to get when they read the book is, You have to reduce your meats and animal products about half of your present consumption or eliminate them totally and then it goes through the modifications made to simplify your diet you can start taking turpentine and most people find it's a very smooth, easy experience. And the report tells you how to find your own personal dose. Now, a lot of people say well do I have to stick to this diet forever and ever? The answer is no because all you're doing with this preparation is creating this pathway and creating the ability in your body to handle and dispose of large amounts of parasites at once.

57:42 you get results and things are moving along. You can cut back on the measures recommended in the pamphlet, but if you start feeling bad then you have to go back to the recommended measures in the pamphlet. When people get to the turpentine part talk to us about what the reports are that people end up seeing in their stool? Honestly I just ignore them. I tell everyone just ignore your stool and flush the toilet People talk about seeing worms and seeing insects and seeing white fluffy stuff in yellow fluffy stuff in black curry stuff And it's just amazing what was blocked up inside of people, right? It seems like we have way more parasites than we realize Correct. So I say relax don't even look at the toys flush it and as long as you're feeling better That's what counts

58:37 Right. And I also wanted to slide in something about solutions, we're talking pretty negatively of course solutions are diet and water but what about the system itself? No no no! We've gone one better than that People say, oh Dr. Dana there's all this bad news what am I going to do? What am i doing at home if this if that so I actually did the research what are the reasons people go to the hospital and I took each reason people go to the hospital and explained how people can handle that problem at home in less than 15 minutes less time it takes for ambulance arrive you've handled the situation whether it's a heart attack or stroke whatever And that's called The Home Healers Program It's available on my website by CaleityCycles.com

59:18 Best investment you'll ever make. And, you know, you won't need to see your doctor again. You won't need to call an ambulance go to a hospital just walk away personally I've not had health insurance for over 30 years and I'm just fine haven't seen a doctor either very interesting have you found any condition that can't be treated with this kind of protocol Let's put it this way if you can't be true with this sure can we treat it by a regular doctor good point? You're not gonna get a better outcome going to the executioner or sending your loved one to a nursing on the 53% death rate in six months

59:59 You know what I mean? Yeah. Let's wake up and it is a home healers course, so I cover every single affliction and I do tell you certain afflictions this is not going to end well this is pretty close to the end here. And that's another thing somewhere along the line America has been sold immortality. They've been sold the idea that the doctor can keep you alive. Whatever your problem is, the doctor can save your life. Nobody can save your life! Life is itself a death sentence it's going to end in death. The question only when and how?

1:00:38 Do you want to die before you've had chemo or after? Chemo's not going to save your life. You want it died before radiation or after do you want to die after you've had the uterus taken out from before it doesn't matter That's the question and so people are not even the choices are not even phrased Honestly, yeah with the doctor we should say that persons would you like to die without your uterus or with your uterus? Hmm Yeah Because of course, surgery is recommending whatever is not going to solve the problem. There are so many tricks of language and labeling certain things and definitions... We've been trained in a certain way! And it's really difficult to unravel all that but you're doing a great job Well thank you

1:01:21 Yes. And we talked a lot about your book, The Lethal Dose but you do have another book out there Do You Have the Guts to Be Beautiful? before we go. Exactly! We should tell people about that It tells you how to be wrinkle-free at 64 just like me I'm gonna have to get into that thinning and baldness chapter because, uh, I do suffer from that affliction. Exactly so it talks about really how to upgrade your looks for example you notice i don't have age spots and liver spots and moles as because of the things in the book so it really does help you look and even feel a lot better

1:02:03 Right on. So yeah, you got the two books you have the vitality capsules You've got the program anything else people should know about products or services that you offer things you have coming up I do a podcast it's called jamming with Jen And I talk about just my healthy lifestyle things than I do for example One week I picked a hibiscus fruit and made hibiscus jam. And that was the first episode that I rebranded as Jamming with Jen, and I talk about really different ways of looking at things in your life in order to get better results health-wise and all around. Awesome

1:02:47 Wow, well we covered a lot of ground and I very much appreciate your work and your time. And the bold and raw truth you're certainly one of my favorite people! And i'm lucky that we got a chance to talk Very much appreciated and keep fighting the good fight Okay, you're welcome pleasure's mine Yes people Dr Jennifer Daniels Someone I've actually had on my list for a long long time She really doesn't mess around Her story seems more relatable than ever, sadly. She tried to gum up the big machine and she faced the wrath! And it's a story I really wanted to highlight for you guys and as she said it's a story that shares a lot of parallels with The Truckers in Canada and unfortunately I think it's going to be something that is even more common as we go forward It's why building the network and surrounding yourself with like-minded people is so important

1:03:47 How many people do you keep in your life that if you were to face a cancellation of some kind, they would be pretty unempathetic and say well I don't know why he didn't just follow the rules. You can't go around disobeying the government! I think a lot of us got those kinds of attitudes during COVID and with the vaccination situation and it highlighted the need for change. So I hope you've made some changes because it's only going to keep happening! I definitely feel for myself that is getting a bit dicey to talk about hard truths these days, and the trend is not encouraging... Anyway this episode is a little short we had a hard time getting connected at first had to throw in audible and record with a different system shaved off about 20 minutes of the time we had

1:04:41 But my main goals were accomplished because i wanted her to give her perspective on the standard of care tell her personal story and then i was talking with gordon maybe a couple months ago about all the things he's been implementing health wise cuz it's been pretty motivated on that front lately. He mentioned turpentine and i said the cliche thing hey is not harmful. Any links me to an interview on doctor tom collins podcast with the ever popular dr andrew kaufman, doctor kaufmann basically breaks it all down says here heard about from doctor daniels and boom that pushed me over the edge

1:05:21 I already liked her book and her perspective on the medical system. Throw in that turpentine story, and we got a pretty action-packed show." And it's such an interesting story! It's a great example of people outside the system finding a better solution than the best the system has to offer anyway? It checked the box of cures that are demonized and almost forgotten about but she brought it back...and when I asked how these slaves knew about this She of course said she wasn't sure but after reading animistic and getting a better sense of how indigenous people or people who are aware of the living consciousness of all things the way they can communicate with nature and plants makes me think that that is how it was discovered.

1:06:13 Because at first i thought well these people are in a completely foreign environment with different types of plants than what they're familiar with how could they figure out that the essential oil of the pine needle was so beneficial well, people who are living more embedded and nature within anamnes type philosophy. And way about their daily living could get this information pretty easily But you do need to be careful. Of course, I am just a silly stoner college dropout and don't give medical advice. I've never taken it although i'm heavily considering it but it does require some preparation and attention to detail make sure you do your own research such a dirty phrase these days but don't do anything stupid or reckless make sure you have the exact right stuff make sure you follow her protocols exactly make sure you're ready for

1:07:12 This interview was only ever going to crack open the door. She has other interviews where they get deeper into the details, she has the Candida Cleaner report so you know what to do but ever since I recorded this i've been excited to present it to you guys! I wish we'd gotten a bit deeper into the expat advice... she's right if you feel that you're in a comfort zone then there is no reason to leave But you know how sometimes you work a job you hate way too long or stay in a bad relationship way too long because the unknown and making a change is just frightening? Maybe your next job is even worse. We often talk ourselves out of moving forward from bad situations because as they say, The devil ya know is better than the devil ya don't know! And that's really what I meant we are frogs in boiling water it's getting pretty hot lately

1:08:06 We might recognize it, but what if we jump out of this pot and the next pot is even hotter? Expatriating has never felt more appealing if you ask me. And I wouldn't have expected to say that with a five-month old daughter But we should probably dedicate a few episodes to exploring options with people who really have that as their shtick. But I had to keep this one moving or Turpentine would not have made it into the first hour and I would've been so frustrated with myself if that were true And even then I wanted to move on to other health related things that i don't hear her talk about quite as much. So many interviews are one hour and they don't get further down the chain like I wanted too, but her answer in so many cases is hydration and it makes sense because if you have a problem the first thing she's going to ask are Are You Doing These 4 or 5 Basic Things?

1:09:02 And if you aren't doing those things, then there's no additional thing. You have to do the basics and then if your problem remains we can talk about extra stuff It's simple but it makes just too much sense I like that she is also very open to talking about different diets for different situations and at different times in your life We don't get that nuance from everyone? With the hydration thing...we did an entire show on hydration with Dr Dana Cohen a couple years ago I would say that if you add her advice about hydration coming from foods because you get that good Dr. Pollack gel-state structured water, that's even another way to stack benefits and Dr. Daniels' criticism of the medical system pairs really nicely with Dr. Richard Amerling

1:09:51 Who focused on the industry shift towards what they call evidence based medicine as well as relative verse absolute risk and how they fudge effectiveness numbers by using. Tricks with the data in that regard any talk about the ways that doctors jobs have changed from independent practices to everyone being under the umbrella of a hospital probably but easier to keep an eye out on that way is net, So I do love these kind of shows. They often motivate me to prioritize health again until i get lazy and distracted, and then we bring in another one! I think she also made an important point with the phrase that people are no longer being rewarded for going along We are gonna see a lot of people we know have their worldview and Pavlovian training collapse in on itself. I know a few people wrestling with that right now actually

1:10:47 So keep it in mind and just understand that it's not an easy process to go through, and we should have some empathy. But I would say pretty good one today! We have a really well-rounded first hour that hit most of the big points I hoped we would hit And then in the plus show he stacked up quite a bit more Yeah, we got hung up on my daughter's birth process and complications Dr Daniels blasted me pretty hard on some of that but its fine I like hearing it raw and that's why i am such a big fan of hers and her perspective, and i do see a lot of her points. But i would say its also easy for a trained doctor who did have two kids in the hospital system to say that we should just have babies at home! And we don't need to invoke any sort of medical expert My wife and i thought a water birth with a midwife and doula was the compromise for having no experience with birth at all

1:11:44 But I've already told you guys how scary it got. I've already expressed this frustration of how my wife avoided her phone because of EMF concerns, she wasn't drinking out of plastic because the microplastic research out there... She was eating well, she was drinking so much water and then the day comes and it's like what was the fucking point? Because now my baby is five minutes old and hooked up to IV antibiotics in plastic tubing and laying in a Nick U EMF soup! And I'm trying to bond while also repeatedly rejecting a Hep B vaccine and it's just all the things we really wanted to fucking avoid. So it felt like nine months of intentional actions were just undone in a day, so yeah...I guess Dr Daniels is right We maybe could have done some things differently? We wouldn't have got swept up in the system You know it just became clear dr. Daniels does not give partial credit She's very pass-fail

1:12:42 But all I really wanted to get into was, is there anything now that we should do in terms of countermeasure or supplementation in our daughter's life because of the IV antibiotics? I was just trying to give context for this situation. She made pretty good points and hopefully that section was helpful for people who might be entering a similar situation Other things we talked about in the plus show would be other things Dr. Daniels was warned against in medical school that have had positive effects, enemas, the major problems with antibiotics, the relationship between The Big Machine and alternative care centers, forbidden foods to unlock your superpowers all animal parts that we don't eat organ meat and skin and all that very interesting

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1:14:17 This one has drinks but no chairs. This one has chairs but no food! This one has drinks and food, but it's capped at 100 people... this one has space for 200 people but no AV equipment We have just yet to find the sweet spot and when we get some of these quotes its like Jesus how are even going to break even on this thing? We'd have to charge way more than I'm comfortable with just not lose money Anyway, mark your calendars. June 25th Austin Texas it's even Gordon's birthday so how about that? I am a bit nervous about the costs you know i never really do these events but if there is anyone im down to do one with you know who it is So we're pretty much going to have to sell out whatever we do If your fan and like the Greg & Gordon shows then you are gonna have a good time with us And consider making the trip! We could all use a trip

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