Dr. Gregory L. Little | The Incredible Edgar Cayce & The Atlantis Readings

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00:54 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. From 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration we offer a- I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chats Let's go, Hireside Chatters from sunny San Diego. I'm Greg Carlwood and i'm sure that the world is full of intriguing mysteries. Cryptid sightings, alien abductions, missing times, spontaneous human combustion, giant skeletons time traveler tales, occult activity and a global distribution of ancient pyramids we still don't have definitive answer on. Even the human mind remains an enigma and seems capable of things western culture would rather ignore and ridicule than explore or cultivate

01:50 Well, an interesting crossroads where these themes of mystery and mind often overlap would be the sessions and readings of prominent clairvoyants who seem to have a talent for tapping into the field or what some would call the Akashic Record...and answering those mysterious unanswered questions. And of the wide range of individuals who claimed or demonstrated their mental abilities, few have had the credibility popularity or staying power of Edgar Cayce. Who talked about several such mysteries including a great deal of detail about the lost history of the advanced civilization of Atlantis Personally, I had barely scratched the surface of what Edgar Cayce had to say about Atlantis in The Lost Chapters of the Human Story until I read the aptly titled book Edgar Cayce's Atlantis by Dr. Greg Little his wife Dr. Laura Little and John Van Auken You might remember Greg being here once before talking about his books with co-author Andrew Collins titled Denisovan Origins Hybrid Humans Gobekli Tepe and The Genesis Of The Giants In Ancient America as well as Paths Of Souls

02:52 The Native American Death Journey, Cygnus, Orion, the Milky Way, Giant Skeletons in Mounds and the Smithsonian. As for the rest of his resume Dr Little is a career psychologist turned explorer and documentary maker Since 2003 Greg and his wife Laura have been actively searching The Bahamas for archaeological ruins that might be linked to Atlantis working with the Edgar Cayce organization in its search for Atlantis project And the long list of interesting books he's produced throughout this exploration and others would certainly be popular with this audience. But today we're going to focus on Edgar Cayce, his Atlantean readings and the quest for supporting evidence So let's do it! The great mystery tackler, Atlantean adventurer and Greg Superior Dr Little welcome back

03:36 Holy cow. Well, thank you! That's a lot I appreciate it very much and i really want to start this by congratulating you on having a child that's fantastic and I know that its sort of cutting into your way of life right now however you haven't seen what is really going to happen with the change in your way of life but congratulations Thank you, thank you. Yeah it's uh I'm on the ride now so... Yes you are on a ride! Just gotta strap in i guess Well ya know you just have to be ready to do whatever comes up that's the way it is You never know But congratulations that's wonderful and okay we can jump right in here Do you want to start with this specific question or what do you want me to do with this?

04:26 Sure, yes. This is a true pleasure I love the book and it made me realize how truly ignorant i was when it came to Edgar Cayce. I guess I never dug much deeper than the surface level but let's give the people some Edgar Cayce 101 context before we get into the Atlantis stuff there you go Some folks they can be a bit skeptical of clairvoyance in general especially when it comes to the really hard-to-verify stuff like claims about Atlantean society But in Casey's case, we can at least look at some of his more verifiable material to get a sense of his accuracy and credibility in general. And just to read a few sentences from your book, Edgar Cayce is widely acknowledged as the

05:08 father of the holistic health movement because of the accuracy of his health readings and effectiveness of remedies he suggested. As such, Casey's health suggestions are given a great deal of credibility by medical science and this recognition has actually been increasing in recent years." Well I wonder how many people knew that? But what else would you tell us about The Man and scope of his abilities in general? Okay, well first of all let me tell you where that statement comes from. The Journal of the American Medical Association JAMA in an editorial that they wrote on a series of articles about holistic health what works and what doesn't

05:52 They dubbed Casey the father of holistic health in the United States. And the reason is there are many, many professionals not just psychologists like me or mental health people or nurses but there are loads of physicians that are in The Casey Organization that have taken an interest in Edgar Casey's readings really for many, many decades and they conducted research by following up on on Casey's suggestions to various people for remedies for various health disorders. So they followed up, they actually contacted a lot of the people who had tried Casey's remedies and they found that he is basically around anywhere between 84-88% accurate That does not mean that this 12-16 percent that is wrong or false

06:48 It simply meant that on those they could follow up on, he was pretty darn accurate. Roughly 88% accurate So his health readings are only one area Health readings and Atlantis don't seem to mix But it all came from a clairvoyant He really was a clairvoyant Casey was also called a psychic diagnostician And that's where the health reading started Basically the story of Casey It has a lot of pieces to it, he's very complicated man. Almost everything he said during his psychic readings was written down word for word. And that made Cayce have a great advantage over other psychics, because we know a lot of psychic said things and people remembered some of what they said but not every single word that they said during psychic readings was written down. That allows you to go back and look at the accuracy of it

07:50 So Casey was born in 1877, in Hopkinsville Kentucky. Close to where the Kelly-Hopkinsville case occurred with the goblins and all that? Yeah! That's a really interesting case. And Casey himself as a child saw little people, saw what could be described as fairy beings or goblins He witnessed his grandfather die at a very young age I believe Casey was seven at the time and his grandfather was thrown from a horse, and fell face down into a large big puddle of water. A deep puddle of water And his grandfather had been knocked out literally died. And Edgar from that moment on started seeing his dead grandfather appear to him and talk to him. Other dead people started appearing to Casey This became known in Hopkinsville over time now he was born on a farm

08:50 He went to a small school house and he was actually. Bully because of all this anger was bullied because people said oh he talks to the dead he sees fairy beings and little people in all that, here's imaginary friends and so on so it was made fun of me actually got in a lot of fights when you as a kid because of that He had this other ability which actually manifested back then but it really became profound around age 12 or so. And that ability was this, Edgar supposedly and I'm saying supposedly here because i have an explanation of this. Edgar supposedly had the ability to fall asleep on any book

09:36 And he could recall or visualize word for word, page by page of what was in those books. Now that's a really incredible thing if you think about it I don't know of any case in history where they have shown that a person can fall asleep on a book and then know what is in it And that literally makes no sense. Makes no sense to me, I don't think it would make sense to any professional It was never really studied per say professionally although it was tested many many times Now what I believe is that Edgar did fall asleep on the books but before he fell asleep on the books Edgar would leaf through them page by page and we know that actually happened a few times and He probably had what is called eidetic memory

10:26 And an eidetic memory is also, it's popularly known as photographic memory where you can look at something and then you can visualize it precisely any time after you've looked at it. Eidetic memory occurs mainly in children. It is a bit controversial but its pretty clear that when Casey did these various tests he would look through the book before he would lay on his head and sleep on it And again that's been proven that he knew word for word what was in books, he could memorize things. Incredible things! He memorized a hundred and seventy five page lecture that a guy who was US representative who had been appointed to be the ambassador of Peru, Grover Cleveland president

11:15 He appointed this guy to be ambassador to Peru. The guy visited Hopkinsville, knew Eiger's father and Eiger's father was bragging about how Eiger could memorize anything and he said well I got the speech with me i just gave And so Eiger's father was allowed to simply read the speech to Eiger two times before Eiger went to sleep and then The next day Eiger went in his school in front of all of his classmates There were over 50 people there, including reporters. The guy who was the House of Representatives member who had been appointed to be ambassador and several other people there and Egger recited the speech from memory word for word without making a single mistake Those are things that these little details like that are things very very few people know

12:13 The reporters wrote a story about it and Egger became a real local celebrity. And that's important because later, when Egger was just under 20 years old he had become an apprentice for photographer in Hopkinsville And while he was there, he couldn't speak anymore. All he could do was whisper. He lost his voice and at that time remember he was born in 1877 and there were traveling hypnotists that went around the country and did stage shows they're also called mesmerist for mesmerism. Edgar went to one of these shows in downtown Hopkinsville

12:58 And the hypnotist did his normal stuff and he said, well does anybody have something that they want to come up and have cured? And the people in the audience said take Edgar Cayce. Take Edgar Cayce! He can't speak. And Edgar went up to the stage... ...He could barely speak above a whisper I mean people just couldn't even hear what he was saying His voice was so low The hypnotist could hypnotize Edgar instantly Egger coughed and could speak normally, which was pretty amazing. However when the hypnotist took him out of the trance, Egger immediately lost his voice again. Very interesting! So a local osteopath in Hopkinsville got another hypnotist to come in his office and they hypnotized Egger again same thing happened The osteopath then hypnotized Egger

13:53 And under hypnosis, the osteopath asked Egger why can't you speak? What is wrong and Egger said make a suggestion to the entity. And the suggestion is to increase the blood flow in the neck and throat area So, the osteopath did that. He made a suggestion to Egger, the entity, increase the blood flow to your throat and your neck area. There were several other people there and they all wrote the same thing about it that Eggers' throat turned bright red. He then brought Egger out of this hypnotic trance. Egger coughed quite a bit and he coughed up blood

14:40 But he could speak normally very interesting that was his first psychic reading it was on himself now that kind of astonished people but this osteopath whose name is al lane lane. Got the thinking my gosh if he can diagnose his own problem and cure, Maybe he can do that with other people and Al Lane had been struggling with this in problem stomach problem indigestion, and his stomach was hurting him all the time. And he had tried everything medically and nothing seemed to work so He hypnotized Edgar and he asked Edgar what was wrong with him? And what it could do and just like he did with himself

15:26 Edgar said that the entity, that means Lane himself needed to do certain things. And they were pretty simple and Al Lane followed the advice and was healed he never had this stomach ailment again That was the start of Casey's psychic readings Immediately word spread in Hopkinsville and when word spread in Hopkinsville people started coming in and trying to get a good to do a psychic reading on them and whatever health issues that they had now you have to remember the back in the round ninety year nineteen hundred back in nineteen hundred or eighteen ninety-nine when he did his first reading. Medical science really was not very advanced i mean if u had some sort of a wound in your leg it was serious they just cut your leg off that was it

16:20 They dump alcohol in it and they cut it off so we just didn't have a lot of medicine at that time but eggers remedies were somewhat unusual. Most of them were common sense, but he used a lot of products that nobody else really even knew what they were. And there's stories about that too So he began doing these psychic readings for people around Hopkinsville Word spread even more Edgar and his family moved around several times then He got married, he had some kids, he moved to Selma Alabama for awhile He came back to Hopkinsville

16:59 He lived several other places, and a physician found out about Edgar's ability. And the physician came to Hopkinsville and started interviewing all of his former – I'll call them patients although they weren't patients – the former people that Edgar had cured. Then he began having Edgar do things with his own patients This physician then called in other physicians, there were six or seven of them. They investigated Edgar under hypnosis they found that Edgar didn't need to be hypnotized by anyone else all he had to do was lay down He had the same procedure that he used he would loosen his tie he would undo his shoes he would lay back on a couch

17:53 He would put his hands over a solar plexus, take a few deep breaths and he was gone just like that. At that moment someone had to start asking him questions and they came to call that person a conductor the person conducted this psychic reading And they had a list of questions that came in because Egger was getting letters like crazy already! He wasn't even famous yet but he was fairly well known, he was getting lots of requests from people So, the physicians decided this is incredible. One of them wrote up a rather long paper and he presented it at a conference at Cal Tech in California. There were a couple other physicians that got extremely interested in this presentation and another one said hey I would like to present this paper at a conference next month in Harvard

18:49 at a medical conference so the guy said sure go ahead he presented this paper at harvard university and. The new york times happen to be at the presentation as were other newspapers and the next day there were these newspaper articles that said illiterate man becomes doctor under hypnosis and that is how it started Other newspapers started writing articles about Egger, and suddenly he was getting bags of mail every day from people all over the country. Now this was between roughly the year 1899 and 1923 or so So Egger did nothing but health readings from roughly 1899 to 1923

19:44 And did loads of health readings there are in the organization the a re which is the association for research and enlightenment virginia beach. There are copies of all these health readings in a couple hundred thousand pages, just under fifteen thousand of these health readings are written up and available they're all online too They're online and a searchable database for members of the ARE, so that makes it real easy to do research on Casey's health readings. But in 1923 something else happened and that is a particular man asked Edgar and his family to come up to Dayton Ohio And the guy said I want to pay you to come up here... ...I want you to spend a couple weeks with us and I have a lot of questions I wanna ask you

20:36 And Egger and his family said, okay. And they went to Dayton not really knowing what the guy was going to ask about and he did ask some health questions and so on but then suddenly he started asking Egger about a few other things and out popped reincarnation Eger started talking about this man's influences in past lives, and that greatly disturbed Eger and his entire family because they were fundamentalist Christians. very fundamentalist Christians. Egger, in fact was a well-sought out highly—I mean people just loved him as a Sunday school teacher and I think it's because he had memorized the entire Bible He knew all the stories word for word and he was just so popular everybody liked to listen to him talk So his Sunday School classes were packed

21:33 So, when reincarnation emerged he and his family had a meeting and it disturbed them. They knew about the one quote in the Bible that might support not necessarily reincarnation but maybe some people having more than one life but they decided that the readings so far had hurt no-one that it didn't appear that it was hurting anyone, that everyone who had readings was delighted with them. They liked them. Almost everybody who had a reading said yes this really helped me so their agreement was we will continue these reading unless someone is hurt by them and then stop and that didn't happen and Edgar died in 1945 So he did the health readings for 45-46 years

22:21 So that is basically the story of the health readings and how it changed to all this other stuff. So after 1923, they started doing readings that also included people's past lives—those were called life-readings Astrology emerged in this and the emergence of astrology came because Edgar talked about electromagnetic influences on how humans develop and our souls develop. Our soul is

22:57 electrical or energetic in nature, and it is influenced by the environment in which the soul emerges. So that came into Edgar's readings. So that's kind of a summary of it In later readings when these life readings came out and that is The Story Of People's Past Lives What came out was that Edgar would say you may have lived in Atlantis And you were an engineer in Atlantis, and here is what you did. So there's a couple thousand readings that's actually just under 5% of all the 14000 some readings that are now documented and available in the ARE. About 4% of those directly involve Atlantis somehow. And there are lots on The Ancient World

23:54 Lots on other aspects of the ancient world, including the building of the pyramid. the people that live in the Pyrenees Mountains, for example between Spain and Portugal. There's history of them there's history of the Gobi Desert He talks a lot about the emergence of man and when the first thoroughly modern humans emerged Oh by the way Edgar said the first thoroughly modern humans emerged around 200 000 BC or 210 000 BC And he said that in 1930s and of course in the 1930s Nobody thought that the first modern humans emerged 200 and some thousand years ago. Edgar said that our distant relatives, the things like Australopithecus and others various hominids and hominins

24:47 have been around for millions of years. Edgar actually said that our distant relatives had been around for at least 10 million years, and at the time nobody believed it. Edgar also said that people had been in the Americas for at least 50 thousand years and of course nobody believed that And now we know that's true There were people in the Americas at least fifty thousand year ago and its probably far earlier than that So, that's a summary of it. That's how Atlantis emerged in it. Lots of specifics about it. In the 1940s the ARE members made an attempt to start finding Atlantis. Edgar made a prediction and this was in the 1930s that a portion of Atlantis would rise in The Bahamas

25:40 and it would occur in 1968 or 19... well, he said 1968 AND 1969. And he said that if a survey was taken near the island of Bimini in the Gulf Stream and you go south, you would find evidence of this ancient civilization But he didn't say that all of Atlantis was in The Bahamas Casey said Atlanis is an island empire that extended all the way from the Straits of Gibraltar into the Bahamas and the whole Caribbean, that all the islands were part of. And of course, the islands were much bigger in 10,000 BC when Atlantis supposedly disappeared. Some of the Atlanteans also were in the Yucatan Peninsula parts of Mexico and in parts of South America

26:35 So, that's a summary of it. We got involved in the search for Atlantis around 2002 or so and that really wasn't something I had planned to do. That just kind of happened like things do. So that's my summary and you tell me where you want me to take it from there? I know I talk a lot." It's all good! That was a great breakdown of what made The Man so special and his backstory. You hit all the points I had. Taken from the book that i found interesting except that also apparently this trance state was a bit dangerous for him i guess on at least one occasion he was sort of stock in that state for something like three days i believe which is pretty wild. Well another thing i never told you why he stopped allowing the doctors to investigate and thats a story most people don't know,

27:31 Edgar got furious with all these doctors that were investigating him you know they crowd around and put him under hypnosis and then they would test him is this guy faking is what they were thinking and so, they would stick needles in him in one case. They stuck knitting needles through his mouth out the side of his throat Edgar didn't appreciate that but he never moved the pain didn't come till after he woke up, but they stuck needles through his fingers and in his hands and the final straw this is a true story the final straw for egger and his family came.

28:11 When a physician was just convinced that agar has to be faking and he took a pair of pliers. And he ripped off acres thumbnail oh my god and egger was laying there in his hypnotic trance didn't feel it at all but when they woke him up He screamed, he immediately needed medical attention because it was bleeding pretty badly and that was it. They never saw another physician after that to be studied by them. He did work with some after that but not to be studied by them. He was working with physicians to help their patients but yes it was dangerous

28:53 They had to wake him up when he was at the end of his talking he would say we're done for now. Are we are through for the moment and that was a clue that they needed to wake him up, If he didn't have a conductor sometimes he just fall asleep. If there was no one there, he'd go into self-induced trance and he would fall asleep and yes he might stay asleep for days after that so yeah that's the story. I like it. It is pretty weird. To get more into the Atlantis stuff, as you mentioned he did these readings for people who he realized had previous lives as Atlanteans in some cases. And he also gave a detailed history of the empire talked about the technology and several really out there things I wasn't expecting and there are some really interesting details about Atlantean history and society help people get a sense

29:53 these things were described. What was Atlantis like, and how different was it really? Well, Atlantis was for the time... Okay so let's give you a timeframe if you know about Plato's Atlantis. Plato tells the story of Atlantis at its ending and Plato gave a date of roughly 9600 BC So about 11,600 years ago that was Plato's story and Plato's tale of it which was in the Timaeus and the Critias was really about how Atlantis ended.

30:28 That's what it was about. Edgar Cayce story talked about how Atlantis ended, but it also talked about how Atlantis began and all the phases that went through so that's the big difference here The ending of Atlanis-Cayce story is real similar to Plato's although It does have more detail in it So Cayece said Atlantis started around 210 thousand years ago and Notice I set this up by saying that modern humans, thoroughly modern humans we know began around 200 and some thousand years ago. And according to Cayce that took place in Atlantis where the first of modern humans were and it was such a dramatic difference from all of the other forms that humans had taken up to that time so you've got Atlanta's beginning two hundred and some thousand BC years ago

31:27 And they developed, because they were modern humans. They had a much better brain, better intellect and more ability so they began starting what is I can't really call it a thoroughly technical civilization because when people start thinking about Atlantis and Casey they think computers and planes and submarines and spaceships No, that is not Edgar Cayce's Atlantis. At their height when Atlantis reached its height which according to Cayce was around 28 000 years ago, 28 000 BC when they reached their height Atlantis did have roads

32:15 They had vehicles, but not gas-powered vehicles like we think of. They used horses. They had elephants just like Plato said. They had some ships that could go underwater, almost like a submarine. But they're extremely primitive and the descriptions of those to me are almost like the submarines that were built during the Civil War. Most people don't know we had those but we did and they were quite dangerous to the people in them. They used what are probably best described as blimps or dirgibles. They had them

32:58 They used a crystal technology to power these blimps or dirgibles, and they used a crystal technology to communicate over vast distances. That sounds almost esoteric but it's not. Not when you consider that old radios use crystals, that lasers use crystals, the masers use crystals and that in fact I believe is how they produce the heat Casey talked about hot air balloons that they had and they used crystals to generate heat. The crystals also generated a means of propulsion for these, he even said in one reading that the early Atlanteans used pachyderm skins or the skins of elephants which they sewed together

33:53 into like a dirigible shape so they could put hot air or perhaps helium or hydrogen in them, so they could lift it up and use it as a means of transportation. So that is what he said about people flying flying machines and so on. They were very warlike in some ways And Atlantis developed these two different spiritual philosophies. One was the children of the law of one, they believed in one God and they had very deep morals

34:33 Casey never really described or said that they followed like the Ten Commandments or anything like that, but they really didn't believe in hurting others and they were highly spiritual. In fact, according to Casey in their spiritual and religious ceremonies, they got together in large circles And they would focus their mentality on a giant crystal that was in the middle of them, and this was a means or way for them to communicate with a much higher sphere. A realm of spirituality. That realm of spirituality comes in real relevant at the end of Atlantis too because they received messages through that

35:17 So, the Law of One people were fairly primitive. But there was another group of people which he called the Sons of Belial or Belial and they're actually mentioned in the Bible and they believed that humans should take advantage of whatever they could, that they could use any resources – nothing is out-of-bounds – that the strong should rule the week have to listen to this strong they developed genetic manipulation not saying that they did the same thing we did but through some sort of breeding.

35:59 Through humans, primitive humans and animals they developed what the Cayce readings call things. T-H-I-N-G-S Things are living creatures that they used as slaves or a means of transportation different kinds of animals, lower grades of humans that they could take advantage of. Yeah almost like zombies and I think the term automatons is used Yes He is the term automatons because they did not have the same mentality That the thoroughly modern humans did but Casey said that was essentially evil that doing that was essentially evil

36:46 But that again is the, that's the sons of Belial. So a split occurred between these two groups. The sons of Belial or sons of Belial became the leaders, the main leaders. The spiritual leaders were the sons of the law one are the children of the Law One and they believed there was one God, and they believed in the soul and all that. The other side did not. And it's very similar to perhaps some things today. They came in conflict many times. Now Atlantis went through destructions obviously is not around today. I started out at 200-and-some thousand BC

37:27 So as their society develop they had just what we have now, they had accountants. They had storekeepers they had people that were teachers they had people who are physicians they had psychologist They had people who gave speeches and lectures. They had geologists, everything we have today they had in ancient Atlantis In fact, we know they had those things in the ancient world There were carpenters and builders and you know woodcutters And all that there were people that raised food and it was the same as today They had all the same things and we know through history That's really the way It's always been

38:09 It's just we've gotten more technological about it, and as we've gotten more and more people, we've had to develop more job occupations. So all those things were present in Atlantis, and they lived their lives a lot like we do today. That's the basic story but Atlantis around 50,000 BC and throughout the New World and in other parts of the world What happened according to the readings is that the world was overrun by these huge, massive herds of very dangerous creatures.

38:49 And he talked about them, everything from giant sloths to the woolly mammoths which we know were in enormous herds in the Americas. Even buffalo would fit into it. Saber-toothed tigers all of those things and the world was still a dangerous place and supposedly there was this meeting held. The meeting was held 50,000 BC And Casey says that people came from all over the world to this meeting, that the world was represented at the meeting in all of the different regions because Atlantis wasn't the entire world. There were other people living everywhere else so they went to this meeting and they came up with a plan and the plan was to confine these animals to specific areas but also to destroy them

39:43 and to use explosions to destroy the herds, to force them into certain areas maybe for some over mountainsides or just kill them. And the explosive was going to be a type of gas probably it was methane gas he mentioned specifically that the gas pockets were mainly in the Gulf of Mexico and the eastern coast of the United States around the Atlantic Now, that's weird. When I read all that years ago, I thought oh my god! That is just so bizarre and I can't believe it. It's beyond...I mean its just bizarre and as we got into this research and we dug more and more if you actually read geological research You'll see there are all along the Gulf Coast And in the Caribbean on both sides of Florida and up to eastern coasts of America

40:41 There are these large holes in the ocean bed and if you read about the research these giant holes in the ocean bed they said, Were initially giant methane pockets that burst 50 to a hundred thousand years ago They don't know the exact date but fifty thousand years ago and all of that is Relatively new research, of course. None of that research was around when Casey came up with this So okay Okay, I scratch my head and say that's interesting There are some evidence of that So I've just tried to give a bit of history of it. Let me just go through two more bits of the history and then we'll get into where Atlantis was in this search for it, so 50,000 BC when they decided to do this according to the Cayce readings and all those islands in the Caribbean you know The Bahamas is thousands of tiny Islands And if you go fifty miles east from

41:46 roughly Miami and Fort Lauderdale, you will hit what is called the Little Bahama Bank. And then if you go a little further, you'll hit the Great Bahama Bank And it's a big shallow area with thousands and thousands of islands that are above the surface. But the bank itself in most of those areas, in some areas is only a few feet deep but its generally no more than 30 or 40 feet deep anywhere In fact you really can't go across to enlarge boats because your ground yourself there just no way to do it and small boats that we use We had a boat that had one foot draft, and there were places that we couldn't go in the Great Bahama Bank because the water's only a foot deep. And our propeller would go down a little more than a foot so it was dangerous to do it anyway. Cayce said that in 50,000 BC when they initiated this plan and they ignited these underwater gas holes or these giant pockets of gas

42:48 that it caused massive earthquakes and explosions, and it broke up the main islands of Atlantis and made five main islands along with lots of small ones. So that was in 50,000 BC He then said that kind of threw the Atlanteans back It threw them back but they rebuilt Because they were a maritime culture, they traded all over the world. They actually around 28000 BC became a little more than traders and started trying to conquer different areas of the world

43:30 And in 28,000 BC a series of earthquakes occurred and it broke those five major islands up into only a few large islands which you would see in the Caribbean today like Cuba. You would see Haiti You would see Puerto Rico, Andros Island in the Bahamas and then there's a lot of other smaller islands. So he said it broke it up into only a few large islands and then loads of small islands that was in 28000 BC, the second destruction of Atlantis. The final destruction of Atlantis according to Cayce occurred in 10,000

44:13 The Atlanteans were given a message or they had some outer space entity, some alien tell them that something's coming from space and Atlantis is about to be destroyed. Your area is going to be hit. So they were told this before 10,000 BC it's called in the readings we receive messages from the outer spheres And that's how that crystal, by the way it was called TUAOI, a very large multifaceted crystal. But they got this information and the priests of Atlantis, the children of the law of one were tasked with writing a history of Atlantis gathering up artifacts and then finding three places around the earth

45:09 where they could take all of these artifacts and this written history of Atlantis, and protect it so that it would last through this destruction whatever was going to occur. And almost everybody knows them as the Hall of Records But there are actually three Hall of Records. One of them, the famous one is in Egypt under the right paw at the Sphinx in a chamber about 30 to 40 feet down that is according to the Cayce readings That's the one every lot of people have looked for There is another hall of records In what Cayce said was the Yucatan which he meant the entire Yucatan Peninsula and He said initially

45:55 It was somewhere in the Yucatan, but then it was moved later. That spot we know today is Piedras Negras Guatemala—we can talk about that mainly maybe later—and the third place where the Third Hall of Records was a temple that was in The Bahamas and the Cayce readings were very clear about it, that that temple was underwater under the slime of ages And Casey recommended, again a search down the Gulf Stream from Bimini. And there is a location about 30 miles down where we believe that's where it probably was. So there are these three Hall of Records lots of people have been involved in the search for them including us so that's kind of history and how it began That's The Three Destructions and it leads to The Three Hall Of Records

46:53 Amazing yes you definitely talked about this before and know how to do it clearly and methodically, and while we're still in this first hour let's get into a little bit more of you and your wife personal. contribution to all this because you've been very involved, you know. You've gone to these areas, you've gotten certified as a scuba diver and... ...you really have been pretty instrumental in pushing the needle forward in verifying some of this trying to locate these places and it's pretty impressive stuff to do in a lifetime on top of everything else you've done Well I think if you live long enough and if your successful at what you do

47:35 You have more than one career. And I've kept up with my main career, I'm best known in the field of criminal justice that's where i'm best known and criminal psychology, criminal treatment and I've kept up with that but I had other careers too. I was involved a lot in archaeology. I know you now I've written about Indian mounds thats pretty much mainstream archaeology and have an encyclopedia in mounds It was just another phase and I try to keep up with all the other stuff. So you just gotta live long enough, you have to have the means to do it that's one big part of it we self-funded our research and all this We got involved with the ARE because of the ancient mysteries portion of it didn't have anything to do with any of the other stuff

48:27 In fact, I initially had no interest whatsoever in Cayce's ideas about the ancient world. That happened quite by happenstance and chance And because back in 2000, I was asked by one of the directors of the ARE and at that time we were simply members of the ARE. One of the directors knew my interest in Indian mounds said I had written some books on mounds and was involved in doing an encyclopedia of mounds. An he said hey why don't you take a look at Casey's readings on Indian mounds? And write up whether or not you think it is accurate

49:06 And I said, what do you mean? Casey wrote about or talked about Indian mounds. And he said yeah it's in... He talked about them in quite a few readings and that is how I got into Edgar Cayce ideas about the ancient world and again that was in the year 2000 so that was actually quite awhile ago So Casey did do like 58 readings That mention Indian mound somehow And in the course of those readings, I had to look at other things too. And that was Casey talked a lot about the habitation of the Americas about people coming in to North and South America different times and he was giving these readings in the 1930's when mainstream archaeology entire idea their truth

50:00 was that the Americas became inhabited around 9600 BC when hordes of nomads came in at the end of the last ice age from Siberia, and within a few thousand years those hordes of nomads occupied all of North America Central America and South America. That was what mainstream archaeology said, and Edgar Cayce while he said lots of people came in around 10 000 BC He gave these alternative histories of all these other migrations into the Americas

50:36 And that was astonishing to me. And he talked about how the Vikings had come in and how they made occupations in Canada, and at the time it was not accepted back then that the Viking's actually had reached the Americas. It was suggested and believed by the Norse that the Vikings had gotten here but mainstream archaeology certainly didn't accept So I looked into Casey's Mound stuff and that led to us getting involved in all of his ancient mystery stuff. My wife and I were then asked by the ARE if we would edit a monthly newsletter called Ancient Mysteries for the ARE, which we did for several years

51:22 And as we edited that newsletter, it was usually a four to eight page newsletter. And we kept up with all the current stuff in archaeology and I mean, we really read all the current archaeological literature then and we also looked at a lot of Casey's readings on it which we still haven't read all of them. That led to more books and it led me helping and assisting the ARE with some of their conferences. They have a very large conference every year called Ancient Mysteries, in fact I changed the name of it to Ancient Mysteries from The Egypt Conference that used to just be The Egypt Conference but i wanted them to expand it to all ancient mysteries which we did and we brought in speakers from all over the place including a fellow named Andrew Collins from England

52:15 and Andrew had written a book on Atlantis, and in that book he had several pictures that he showed at the conference of these areas in the Bahamas where things have supposedly been found by pilots. One of them is a gigantic triple ring stone circle in shallow water in The Bahamas? Let me say that again... A gigantic triple ring, stone circle underwater in the Bahamas. Now that if it was real would be incredible

52:55 And another one that he showed, that a pilot took was what looked like the letter E. A B C D? E! It looked just like the letter E underwater so flying over it you look down and its like good god there's a giant letter E under water So you had that giant circle which looked like it had three rings of huge stones sticking up vertically and that E, and I vividly recall my wife and I were together watching Andrew Collins give this presentation. And I turned to my wife and said why hasn't anybody found that?

53:35 If it's really there, it should be easy to find." And she said yes. She said I don't know It should have been found and I said Let's go find that thing and that's how it started So there is nobody else going to fund that There's nobody else going to you know we're not gonna write a grant up for it or anything else So, that's how it started. It wasn't about searching for Atlantis. It wasn't about searching underwater in the Bahamas looking for archaeological ruins or anything else. It was all about trying to solve those two mysteries. What in the world is this giant stone circle that supposedly has three rings of stones around it? And what is this E and they're both found off of Andros Island

54:28 It took us a while, and I found out at that time how poor research had been up to then by people trying to find these. I did find that someone had spent $30,000 flying around Andros Island everywhere in the island in the estuaries of the island now Andros is the largest of the Bahama Islands it's 104 miles long 30 miles wide But when the tide is high, it has tidal flows all over the place. So it cuts the island into literally hundreds of other islands. Almost nobody goes to Andros. It's not a tourist destination and its almost totally uninhabited and unexplored. It is a mystery and we just got fascinated with Andros but that's how it started. It took us awhile to get together logistics which we pulled together

55:24 I really dislike scuba diving intensely. That's bizarre, and the only reason I got certified at scuba diving was for all this. I realized that I may have to scuba dive to really see all this, to get down and look at it so... That is why I got certified to scuba dive not realizing that within a couple years after that I would do about 200 dives alone, alone dives Looking at sites all over the place in the Bahamas, but that's how it started. It was an accident It takes a few minutes to explain what happened and how we really got into all of it You want me to go ahead with that?

56:08 Yeah, let's call that the first hour right there. And I guess I just want to fire off a quick one to you and ask has there ever been a person before or since Edgar Cayce that you think could come close to his abilities or accuracies? Or was he truly unique Well, he is unique and the reason I suspect somebody you know there are some people that have been accurate. Andrew Collins is a good one to ask about that. Andrew believes he knows quite a bit, uses psychics quite a bit in some of his research and he says they're not always accurate but they're 75-80% accurate and there's usually bits of truth in everything they say. I think that there have been some psychics who truly did tap into something real

56:54 Casey's unique though in that he wanted it all written down so it could be looked at and verified because, in the beginning, Casey himself did not know what this was all about. And if it hurt anybody he intended to quit. Edgar Casey's profession was a photographer—that's what he became—and he became an award-winning photographer. You can see some of his photographs if you search around He was a very good photographer and back in those days photography was highly specialized skill. And the good photographer could make a good living at it so that's what he did, he did not charge for readings although people would sometimes give him $1 or send in $1.00. He sent money back often if you couldn't do a reading he would send money back and that's basically what killed him he got so many when I became famous

57:50 He got thousands and thousands of requests for readings, and the readings that he did on himself. Edgar did readings on himself in his health. Remember he died in 1945? Well the last five years the readings told him you are doing too many readings You're going to kill yourself! You have all these issues And they told him he needed to do one reading a day no more. Well Edgar was doing four or five six seven more than ten a day And he said, I can't just do one. All these people are begging for help and he had bags and bags of physical mail. It got to the point where they couldn't even read all of it. Edgar would reach his hand down into the bag

58:40 And he would just feel around and if a letter felt important, he would pull it out. That's how he sometimes toward the end in particular chose what reading he would give almost randomly but strictly through intuition. But yes, he was unique in that he combined all these things and there is a lot of evidence scientific evidence validating I can take a psychic like Emanuel Swedenborg who i've written about. There is an element in all this, and all psychics...I call the trickster element. Yeah! The trickster Carl Jung talked about And the trickster is a Native American creature that is there to create chaos but a trickster also gives truth so you're always balancing

59:36 between what is true and what is misleading you. And I think the same thing has happened in all this Atlantis research, I can forgive the skeptics out there who have actually lied about what is found there because most of the skeptics believe in the mainstream and the mainstream says Atlantis could not have existed None of this could have really happened, therefore it did not happen. And therefore any research claiming is true has to be fraudulent that is their belief system

1:00:14 And that's what they're gone with it all about believes their everything in this is about beliefs very few people are being driven by what the facts or or what the research shows so we try and do that i can say quite honestly nothing that we have found. that dates to Atlantis, which would be one area is definitive. We can't definitively prove Atlantis existed It has been definitively proven that people were in the Americas when Edgar Cayce said they were and lots of other things Cayce said have been definitively proven but none of that means that Edgar Cayce stuff is true Right So there you go The mystery continues Yes

1:01:04 Man, I had a lot of fun. You definitely know your stuff and you're in so many different areas that i'm also interested In so it's always fun to talk to you. I saw the title and the description Of this new book coming out next year And I really really am excited To be able to talk to you about that when The time is right sounds definitely Right up our alley around here in The meantime are there any links or info? You'd like to leave people with in terms up or checking out any of your other work? Well, I can be found on APmagazine.info otherwise i'm on Twitter, Facebook or Google my full name Gregory L stick that initial in little Gregory L Little and you can find me pretty quickly that way. I'll pop right up

1:01:55 yes there's too many great little out there i discover well if you just put greg little and you find a football player for some reason anybody any football player even though they play only one or two years, you'll find them always at the top but if you put in my full name how pop up and you see me right away via my picture will be their knowledge bars are. Right now while definitely put the l initial in the title here just to keep people reminded because we don't want some NFL player cramping your style. But this has been a lot of fun, a real pleasure I'm glad we could talk again and i look forward to next time but in the meantime do take care and best of luck out there! Thank you and you have fun with a new baby man. Ah appreciate that

1:02:42 And boom goes the dynamite, good people. How about it? Definitely has to be an unexpected subject matter today right? It was even unexpected for me because I initially got in touch with Dr Little to ask him about coming on and talk about his books Grand Illusions, The Spectral Reality Underlined Sexual UFO Abductions, Crashed Saucers Afterlife Experiences Sacred Ancient Ritual Sites & Other Enigmas and Light Quest, your guide to seeing and interacting with UFOs, mysterious lights and plasma intelligences. As well as the Archetype Experience Resolving the UFO Mystery & The Riddle of Biblical Prophecy Using Jung's Concept of Synchronicity If you remember we got into this territory a little bit last time but these three books The Holy Trinity of Greg Little's paranormal repertoire

1:03:36 It's kind of what I wanted to talk about and he told me he's trying not to wade too far into paranormal territory until his new book comes out this summer which is going to be called Origins Of The Gods, Quesim Cave Skinwalkers In Contact With Transdimensional Intelligences. You know i'm giddy just thinking about it but the KC Atlantis stuff was what he had left in the tank and I thought sure why not And I'm glad we did it, because...I didn't even know a third of what i learned getting ready for this. I usually hear about the unknowable stuff and the apocalyptic prophecy But the biggest part of Casey's work is healing! And I knew it was in the mix but not to that degree and not with such a high rate of accuracy So to me this was really interesting and fun and light Don't worry, we got plenty of dark & heavy stuff coming in the next few interviews

1:04:34 But let Dr. Little know if you liked this one, I definitely want to make sure we get to talk about that next book and it helps if he knows that we have people listening who like hearing from him at drgreglittle2 on twitter just to make it easy for ya but I hope you dug it! If Casey was right about so many verifiable things maybe we should give him at least half credit on the unknowable Atlanta stuff The automaton thing was quite strange. I said zombies because that's what he says in the heading for that section in the book, but it's also kind of like a hermunculus kind of thing because I think of a zombie, of course generally as reanimated someone that was alive and is no longer or isn't this weird limbo state but not an empty vessel

1:05:21 You know this didn't sound like reusing the dead it sounded like creating empty vessels from the ground up. Some sort of lab made people or husks something like that and the sons of Balael also does equate to the cults of Baal, It's actually in the book, it's listed in a series of other associated names. And I wasn't gonna jump in just to say that but I figured it would raise a few eyebrows out there. It's a tale as old as time and altruistic peaceful people are infiltrated by a cabal united by the adoration of a dark force and they steamroll everything! Break the civilization and it implodes on itself

1:06:06 I don't know how many times that has literally happened, but it's thematically a pretty dependable archetype if you ask me. It's talked about in all kinds of other contexts too like Tartaria of course and mud floods and plasma apocalypse resets and all the rest of it And if it's in any way true where do you think we would be in that cycle? Where do you think the politicians and Silicon Valley sorcerers and people at the forefront of technology are pushing us Just a thought. Anyway, in higher side news everything is going really well site updates seem to be well received someone added a San Diego meetup to the calendar November 24th the we swear were not crazy cocktail hour at Live Wire I don't know if i'm gonna make it because it's the night before Thanksgiving and in our circle Thanksgiving is being hosted at my place

1:08:49 But a wild ride indeed, and I look forward to talking to Dr. Little again when the new book comes out but i like throwing really unexpected things at you and so I think this qualifies it's fun for me So that's it for today! I've done my part Your move history hiders Atlantean survivors and Akashic Record readers You're fucking doomed From space it was falling Its light started calling It's making crop circles again Just as I was looking up it showed me all the hidden stuff And now i'm all enlightened and zen Nothing last is this hard Silver ships Now, I'm not asleep Don't obey the elite Got a beam to the head We start to wonder now we're Not the sheep that they bred us to be Got a beam to the head Now we start to wonder

1:09:53 Now we start to wonder See a new paradigm of corruption and crime Since the visitors set me straight I encourage you to go when You see the saucers glow one by one Awake The masses is hard Silver ships are my yard Now, We're not asleep Don't obey Got a beam to the head

1:10:34 Now we start to wonder, no we're not the sheep that they asked to be, being too loud. Now we start to wonder! We'll see these things up in the sky just as the system starts to die. Balls made in an extra-belly race

1:11:25 It's time we had faith Cause we're not the sheep that they pressed to be Got a beam to the Now, We Start To Wonder Now were not asleep cause we got THC And now we start to wonder Now we start to wonder Now we start to wonder Now we start to wonder Again I'm not your water again