David Wechsler | Electroculture, Pyramid Power, & Ancient Energy Wisdom

00:00 Alright people, I am gonna make this quick but i just had to announce that for the next six weeks or so getting into the holiday season. I'm putting a lot of my show outlines up for auction again! I've mentioned before that I stick to a strict routine when preparing for and recording THC episodes and part of that process 95% of the time going back many years has been compiling my mess of notes into A roughly four to six page outline that I print out and then conduct the interview from as a template. I write in the margins, cross questions off as we go along, jot things down a guest says that I don't want to forget and usually have a good deal of material in these outlines that never even makes it to air

00:44 When an interview is done, I put a little staple in the corner and throw them in the drawer until the time comes to dust them off and show them to people for the holidays. Some folks seek out signed scripts of their favorite movies or try to nab a concert set list before filing out into the parking lot... well this is like that but for a weird obscure podcast So I am signing, listing and auctioning off another round of these outlines. I have to any listeners who might be interested in that kind of thing each one is totally unique full of my own dumb notes and typos never really designed for public consumption but it's fine

01:20 If you're into it, they'll be listed on eBay. The link is at the top of the show notes and I'll post links across the social media dystopias that i happen to have an unfortunate presence on all the listings are set to go for 10 days each so have at it now be ready to stuff those envelopes on the other side Merry Christmas to me enjoy The planet's perfect masses almost surely have a plan There clearly may be something there beyond the realm of man And until we've fully tested every last gross-chested view I find the more we think, we know the less we really do it without Because we know they're lying to us, just don't know why Inside Chad Choke, record and company

02:14 Serenity Now, Hiresight Chatters. From the Sunshine State I'm Greg Carlwood and so often when we're confronted with a far out new bit of information stories of some strange something or testimony of an odd experience there's a tendency to default to doubt rather than adjust what we think we know about what's possible to accommodate the new data Now I think we're a bit better about it around here than most people, but still I think it can be tough to really allow your paradigm to shift without wondering how this or that could really work and still remain so suppressed. Well one of these mind-blowing far reaching damn near magical things is electroculture

02:51 We hear stories and claims about things like ether, tesla tech, alternative science, atmospheric electricity, subtle energy magnetism and a lot of other stuff the mainstream might say is unscientific woo-woo nonsense. But electroculture has proven results, is super easy to verify and replicate with your own at home experimentation and benefits from an entire movement folks like today's guest, David Wetschler who continue to experiment educate and push the envelope of how such things can be used to reestablish a culture of abundance by solving modern agricultural problems with ancient and somewhat esoteric techniques. David is the author of Electro Horticulture The Secret To Faster Growth Larger Yields And More Using Electricity

03:35 as well as the founder of electricfertilizer.com, the energetic agriculture podcast and a range of products that utilize the principles at hand. It's a wild area to talk about with some wide reaching strange implications so let's get into it! The electroculture educator ag tech teacher and elevator of a lost ancient art David welcome to THC Hey thanks very much very very appreciative to be here looking forward to this Yeah man, I am psyched. Thanks for doing it! Electroculture is one of those things that can open up a whole new way of looking at the world It can have a wide range of implications and implementations And it puts several ancient cultures in a new context too So I'm a fan But I'm curious if this was something you were willing to accept right away Or were you more skeptical and required a bit more convincing in the beginning?

04:27 The very, very beginning of it for me was back in high school way too long ago than I care to admit. But when I first came across it, I was in the middle of doing some research for a high school science project using high voltage. I was really interested in science as a kid and I came across these Some of your audience members may have heard of this cool research site called Rex Research. And I think it's gone away now or it's come back, but nonetheless they have all sorts of cool esoteric technologies and articles all across the board and back then they had like these two packets of information you could order on ElectraCulture. An at that time though I ordered

05:10 ordered this high voltage stuff and ordered these information packets on electroculture because it just tickled me in some way. I brought it home and looked through it, but it was beyond me. I wasn't really into gardening at all. But many years later when I eventually did get into gardening, I found myself drawn towards this really cool world of blending technology and electricity and magnetism with plants It just blew me away. And at the time, my wife was really into gardening and I was really into science but like it'd be great if I could combine these two things together that's how it originally started there were also people talking about the esoteric side of things with pyramids and at the time I wanted to stay far away from that

05:59 I just want to know, is this a real thing? Is this a hard science thing or not?" And then all that other stuff came later on. Yeah those distinctions get a little fuzzy the deeper we get into things that the system seems to wanna suppress and this is just kind of a funny thing but I heard you say in your early research it was the cannabis growers forums where they were talking about this most openly, is that right? Yes, that's exactly true. So when I first came across this thing, I was looking all over the web for it. There was literally no information except for one guy out of France some really old articles and some cannabis forums where people were talking about growing with electricity and coming across the same article as though I came across and trying it out And this was a major part of my origin story because

06:50 I'd go into these forums and people say it's fake. And like, no it's real! I tried that myself. I did my very first experiment on Romanesco broccoli and when I saw the amazing results that came out of it within three weeks time where the experimental plants were like super high and lush deep green compared to my control group which was one fourth the height and light green in color It just blew me away so I'm like okay I have my own proof here Why aren't these other people in the cannabis world who are way more experimental than most growers, why aren't they seeing it? They're all dogging each other. Oh it's fake! Fake news before fake news was a thing and so I use that as inspiration. I'm like okay...I know there's a lot of research on this. The research goes back to the late 1700s and there has been a number of highly technical papers written on it all throughout the years

07:47 mostly from the 1920s all the way up to through the 70's and 80's, mostly in the 70's. And I'm like okay i'm going to use this as inspiration to write a book for the average everyday person highlighting the scientific side of electroculture. Right on and sometimes gloss over definition of terms cuz i don't get to fundamental and they go electroculture kind of is self evident but we're talking about generally drawing down atmospheric energy and putting it into the soil near plants a lot of people use copper rods i know you tend to do something. A little different but just in general what are some of the widespread implications of this material to you because we hear stories of tesla delivering electricity through the air wirelessly here about

08:36 The ether which is apparently dismissed i think this is like the clearest indication that there isn't atmospheric either but we hear about or going energies and to me it's like probably. Multiple terms for the same kind of thing based on different people discovering at, But it's pretty clear that there's a lot of energy all around us in the air that we can't see. We can't feel, we have a hard time detecting it but when you put highly conductive materials just in the air and in the soil plants grow better so that to me is the verification that there is some kind of ether and then maybe a lot of these older technologies and esoteric science guys who are onto something

09:20 It's hard to know if they were onto something, but it seems like this to me is the validation that they likely were. So from my perspective I'd like to make this distinction between the etheric or what they call the scalar energies or tensor energies versus pure electromagnetism as most people know about in a modern scientific world I'm not a physicist, i'm an engineer but i've been researching this for more than 20 years and when people are putting up antennas into the sky what they're really doing is collecting high... They're getting access to electrons free electrons that are floating in the atmosphere. And the higher you go up in elevation

10:02 the more accessible free electrons are, they become denser as the ionosphere is filled with literally millions and millions of volts. That's the basis for many of our thunderstorms and lightning storms. And so as you go up higher in the atmosphere, your sharp points on rods like the crystal flow antenna and the antenna, the eye design and many other different designs that have come out over the years. We're tapping into those electrons and pulling them in down wires and into our gardens creating the effect on the other hand there's this idea of the ether And I think that's kind of a misnomer right? Maybe back in the day for those who weren't say educated or didn't have the mainstream terminology maybe they used electricity as ether

10:51 But the way I look at it is ether refers to more subtle energies, which is completely real. And it operates in a complete different way and I think there's one particular scientist...I think he goes by the name of Reichenbach who has found that with magnets, magnets emit some sort of invisible flame that's like maybe a purplish flame so he worked with a whole bunch of clairvoyants all different types of clairvoyant who would see these flames coming off of magnets. And one of the things I personally find interesting is that we know that in physics, that the magnetic field drops off 1 over the radius squared

11:32 So it falls off very quickly, the magnetic field from a source over distance. But what's interesting is say Janek van Doorn has this thing he's called the magnetic antenna where he puts these magnets over some galvanized iron wires and runs them all the way out into a farmland and it goes really long distance. And I'm like, I'd expect that magnetic field to drop off rather quickly. Again, I am not a magnetic field specialist But it makes me think that maybe there's a subtle energy component to this that applies there as well. And to add to that, I know that we could have subtle energies travel along wires because of this other really cool thing I got into many years ago called biocircuit. Have you heard of biocircuits? Only from digesting your material! It's Ehrmann Biocircuits right?!

12:24 Eman, Eman Biocircuits. And in this work called Biocircuits by Terry and Leslie Patton there's a book out there on it these guys have figured out and I don't remember if this work goes beyond Eman's work and if there were other researchers involved as well but they figured out that you could lay on top of copper pad in certain configurations and you'll get these subtle energy movements through these wires And so from that I learned that you could in fact feel these

13:02 very strange sensations of subtle energies moving through these wires because you get this complete rebalancing effect. It makes me fall asleep very quickly laying on these pads for like five minutes, it's an interesting thing. I could use that especially these days but yeah i copied this down from your work you say you've had a crazy experience using a substance circuit and its been a truly formative experience that has led to many rabbit holes This is the Eman Bio Circuit Yes that was a really crazy experiment so back in the day i'm like twenty years ago, i was never really a cannabis user tried it maybe once or twice and at the time i was like ok.

13:43 There's this E-min biocircuit thing. I built this biocircuit, this is really cool and there was this substance circuit aspect that was super cool." I'm like okay let's give that a try right? So what substance can i put into the substance circuit that's going to give me an effect that's gonna stand out it's not gonna be like sticking some coffee in there and I'm gonna get maybe a little hyper...I want something that's just knock my socks off so I put something.. I put a little bit of weed in there We barely do it this is weed that was like. five years old. So I stuck it in a vial of water, wires going into there and then going into this bio circuit connected to my body and the craziest thing happened because after about 15 minutes I started feeling these little tingles in my body like okay let's let it ride right? so you continue on...I'm staying there for another fifteen minutes beyond that and before I know it I am cracking up laughing I'm having the time of my life laying down there and beyond that

14:44 my wife who's sitting 20 feet away from me in the living room, I'm in the dining room. She's just watching TV she starts giggling and laughing too it's like I became a transmitter of this cannabis field of energy was like pushing out of me into her Wow both end up getting to munchies afterwards It was a phenomenal experience and To be honest, I've had trouble replicating it so I think there is Something that you have to do the clean these things afterwards it's a bit unknown to me and it something that. I've been obsessed about for a long time and i'm trying to understand and research it. And replicate more wow that is a great story obviously speaks to my interest but a substance circuit so the premise is you could put a lot of different things in this substance circuit area, and it's going to be transmitted to the person in your case who has cannabis but i mean you could do this with almost anything right

15:44 That's right. In fact, I reached out to a guy who selling these pads in New Zealand many years ago and what he was telling me that I thought was super cool is that they were using them for... He had some of his clients placing cancer medications inside of there. Wow! And what was cool was these guys you know with the cancer meds because you're getting the energetic effects of I guess the cancer killing chemicals people were feeling or experiencing relief without the side effects i mean it's one of those things that does present reality as more of an energetic consciousness based experience that creates the illusion of a physical hard material world when really it's all just vibration and energy to use the old tesla quote and stuff like that just is so great to me because

16:37 Our eyes to see that so often in our society deceives us and those kind of examples verify. That what the mystics say is the reality so i love that you mentioned yannick van doorne and thats interesting because it was him, who really got me into this stuff. I actually got an email from a listener, it was really well laid out. It was hey, I've heard you use the term electroculture a time or two, you're not really getting it here are the best people in the space and Janik was at the top of that list and our interview fell through after many attempts but I had a lot of this material built up as like why gotta find somebody else because otherwise is just goes in one ear out the other

17:19 and you are also on that list, so I'm glad you were able to do this with me. With Yannick and others, I usually hear about it being copper coils that are just kind of put right into the earth harnessing atmospheric energy wrapped around a dowel. That's what i've done in my garden outside and everything they're kind of sporadic but everything that has one is still alive and many things that don't have died just... The conditions in Florida can be kinda harsh but I am just curious why you go this other way. You do a lot of things with actual electrodes and your antenna uses stainless steel, talk to us about why you've made some of the choices that you've made to even buck the electroculture trends?

18:06 To be honest, back in the day when I was first beginning the only other person who is seriously on the scene was Yannick. It was really just Yannick and I and at that time Yannick was primarily using his magnetic antenna thing he had this other device i still don't quite understand it was called an electrolyte...I do not know if he still uses that type of thing the coils, the spiral antennas that he was not using at the time but that came later. I believe he and Andrea Donnelly was another guy who is probably at the top of list and Andrea being Italian with Luigi Igina being Italian, I think there's a connection there and Andrea started using those spiral antennas more so on my path i had the bias of being an engineer and maybe we just tend to over complicate things it's just in our nature

19:02 So, you know with a background in microchip design and working on high-tech projects I figure this becomes a great outlet for me to take what i do in my professional world and apply it to the garden. And have fun with it! What I was doing at the time was start off with very simple things like taking batteries and hooking them up to wires and running them into electrodes Actually what i was doing is taking what the old experimenters would do. where they were taking things like, they were creating earth batteries. Where they would take large plates of copper and zinc and connect them with a wire and put them end to end across the field I think the largest length i heard was about 200 feet which was pretty amazing to me but to support that type of distance they had to use really large plates because large plates will have a larger amount of current density that will push that electricity slowly through the field

20:03 And so I was thinking, well rather than using these large plates which could be expensive. This is the modern day we have a gazillion sources of electricity right? From batteries to wind power to solar power to newer things that's novel but interesting like microbial fuel cells and there's just like a whole bunch of cool stuff out there to tinker with and so I started off using solar cells and batteries and also just plug in-the-wall power supplies And so I would tinker around with using DC. In fact, my very first experiment on the broccoli that I mentioned was just using a five volts power supply from a cell phone charger where I hacked off the wires wrapped them around some nails put them into the soil with my broccoli and we were growing a whole bunch of other broccoli plants and I just put in like three or four broccoli plants into a separate container and tested it out. And the results were just astounding

20:58 just from 5 volts DC all the time, 24-7 for weeks on end. And eventually over time I was like okay that's cool but you know what happens if we add frequency to it because you know we hear about frequencies affecting our bodies...I heard of Rife technology for years So I was thinking, okay well maybe we could try different frequencies on these plants and see if that makes a difference. No one was talking about using frequencies so my go hey let's try frequencies or you know actually i do think some researchers at the time were talking about different frequencies so I decided to jump in on that action and in tinkering with different frequencies usually low frequencies in the range of like 1 hertz to say 50 hertz or 100 hertz cycles per second

21:46 I started to see changes. So, I would see some faster growths, I would see different effects coming about, some plants will grow faster, some would have different types of green growth and it became a fascinating topic for me and I start to tinker around with making devices and that in itself became part of the fun and hobby of it where rather than being apart of design team where everything is compartmentalized, I got to work on all of them myself and that was a lot of fun and very satisfying Hell yeah, so people might ask well why do this? Why go through...

22:22 all this field of study to implement these things in a garden. What are the effects? I mean, i've heard two to three times the yield. I've heard faster growth which is great because a lot of times it takes awhile to be patient while this stuff you plant grows. I've also heard that it can be beneficial for pest control which is probably my biggest problem here in Florida. I'm committed to organic And everything we're doing in this little food forest, we got going. You know is obviously food producing some of it as you just eat the leaves I don't want my kids eating leaves that have had anything sprayed on them but the pests are bad Florida's a very buggy place so i've even thought about frequency based pest control because there's some things out there I hear mixed reviews but talk to us about the benefits of electroculture of supercharging essentially the soil around your plants and what the effects are

23:16 Sure, so there are many effects that happen to not only the plants themselves but also to the soils. So when you apply electricity to let's start with the soil it causes a number of physiological changes to the organisms within the soil for all of your aerobic microbes and increases their reproduction rates as well as their metabolism. So any of the microbes or healthy microbes that you have in a soil that are like nitrifying bacteria, they're taking nitrogen coming from plant-based sources like legumes... They're going to transform them into usable form by other plants way faster than on their own

23:57 They're also going to increase in numbers so you can have an additional exponential effect going on making your soil way more healthier than before. So that's on the soil side and then on the plant side there is a whole bunch of reactions that happen it causes the emergence of many different types of growth hormones within the plants from oxygen, gibberellin and other kinds It causes changes to pigmentation so if you have plants that are normally like one shade of green even by applying the electricity to it, if that happens to be compatible in the right way it'll make it even greener so it will absorb more light than before. It'll turn more of that light into sugars and energy and if you're growing in a place where there tends to be less lights present it's going to make your plants way more efficient to grow. It's gonna be like having a light on them all the time but you're not spending any energy costs because the amount of energy you need for electroculture is

24:53 almost nothing and we're talking if you understand the terms probably less than a microamp is needed to cause the what I'm calling the electroculture effect where it kicks off this effect. In addition to that, so we see effects ranging from increases in yield like Greg said between two and three times. So i've even heard people say as much as five times It really depends on the situation Beyond that, there are other interesting effects like cold hardiness drought hardiness and those effects will tend to linger for at least two to three generations past the original plant stock. So it's really an amazing thing!

25:39 Yeah, I mean doubling and tripling the yield from a single plant is no small thing. And to quote your website you say that your brand electric fertilizer is all about the study of the ancient art of electroculture which accelerates and improves the growth of plants in other ecological systems using electrical or magnetic field-based technologies. Talk to us about this as an ancient art who knew what when? So, ancient electroculture is a super fascinating thing. I never thought that I would ever have an interest in archaeology or anything ancient of that type but as i dove into this I came across one of my favorite books in the world it's called Seed Of Knowledge Stone Of Plenty by Burke and Halberg. Burke was the scientist and so these guys would travel around the world to sacred sites from your ancient mound societies to your temples from

26:36 Cusco and Chichen Itza, and other places around the world. And they would take with them to these sites various types of scientific equipment from magnetometers electric field measuring devices and they would also do their own experiments so for instance I believe at Chichen Itza...I have some pictures either on a blog post or in my book as well it's in their book as well of course they did their own experiments replicating the way life was for the ancients. And so what the ancients would do as part of their fertility rituals, and I grew up watching like 80's movies and always think of fertility rituals as being something that involves some sort of a sacrifice or something like that it was nothing like that really or maybe it was but at least in this angle of it what I thought was really cool is from a fertility ritual point-of-view people would take baskets of seeds and take it to the top of these

27:31 mounds or pyramids. And what they found out is that as the sun comes up over the horizon, there's a blast of backed-up electric field energy and as it comes over the horizon it blasts these seeds with these first big bunches of electric field energy and oftentimes will build these monuments on sacred sites and these sacred sites are often on top of areas of geological fault to have their own built in special amounts of electrical currents moving anyway. So you have potentially from the bottom up, you have a source of charge and you also have coming in from the atmosphere itself, a source of additional charge and as these two worlds combine and the seeds are getting exposed to these large amounts of electrical and magnetic field energies they're getting hit with this jolt of energy

28:28 that creates the conditions for them to survive pests, for them to survive disease. For them to be resilient against early frost and drought conditions it superpowers these seeds making them not only resilient but also very high producing, producing the yields and what they found is that societies have these mounds or pyramids they tend outperform other societies that don't have these structures in place I would argue that it's because of these special superpowers from them being able to tap into science, you know the science of electromagnetics. That's so crazy and it makes you wonder how they discovered such a thing? A lot of times you ask them or you look at their documents and they say well we heard a voice some kind of spirit told us or something like that but it helps explain why sun worship was such a big thing in the ancient world because clearly they see the sun as like

29:25 Almost an entity that is like super charging are giving its gift to the thing they need to survive. And you can find documentaries like eat the sun and people like doctor jack cruise who talk about the importance of standing barefoot on the earth, Looking at the sun without sunglasses at that exact time of sunrise that the qualities of the light are different and very important for your health. And before you start taking any pills for any condition no try that first thirty sixty days it's totally free And just see what it does. It also resets your circadian rhythm, so your sleep is better. Sleep is how we heal! So it all works together. We are part of the bigger system. We're not isolated from it and Dr Jack Cruz talks about

30:13 the reason why we get sunburn the reason so many people are like i gotta slyther myself in these chemicals, so i don't get sunburn it's cuz you shelter yourself from the sign all that time and then u take one vacation to the beach and you go out at noon. It's like well yeah it's not how works now thats now we were designed to work so all kinds of crazy stuff with the son and grounding in it is funny like just how you mention you didn't think you have an interest in ancient cultures but there are so many entry points to. What I call the big conspiracy. Some people don't like that term, it's loaded these days but just you find one thing and it's like well how can this work? It changes the way you look at the world say well why don't more people know about this oh they did and its suppressed Oh what's that about some kind of industrial Big Ag thing and they don't want it out there And it's like oh man They are hiding or obscuring Or dismissing The very best mechanisms for

31:13 the things in their field. I wonder what that could be about." And then it translates to other things and you really can go down some serious rabbit holes, but in terms of the ancients, I've also heard you mention that they were using a lot of special rocks. You say dolmens and cairns? I'm not familiar with those terms except for your podcast but They're putting courts in the garden and they're using paramagnetic stones. And it seems like we could say there was some intention and some knowledge about what carries charge, and what doesn't? You see that in the structures of their gardens outside of the pyramid thing right? That's right this idea of using paramagnetic materials comes from this guy Phil Callahan

31:58 He was an entomologist who did a lot of research into the rounds towers of Ireland. And there have been a number of people who have taken on that mantle and sort of taking it way forward, like Alana Moore, whose grown Huge following and she's done a lot with creating these power magnetic towers. I have been i think very popular since the seventies where they install these powers there basically tubes filled with her magnetic rock that are emulating is round hours of ireland, end people are experiencing massive growth, massive charged soil from the use of these structures in their yard and on their land. And it's something that totally baffles me because I again for like my science mind, I'm like how does this even work? Because apparently...I think I heard a metric from Janik or someone that the field that gets emitted from one of these towers is three to five times its height and unfortunately I don't have enough land where I live to be able to test that out myself

33:04 But I've done some micro experiments. So, I've been making and fabricating some of these concrete cones using paramagnetic materials and i've seen some effects of them by burying the cones in the soil. I'm like okay! I'm seeing like effect but that's a very close range. I can understand if you have buried cones or buried paramagnetic materials that it could have an effect on your plants The way works with paramagnetic materials What they're doing is, they're collecting localized magnetic field energies and they are concentrating it within the materials. And it becomes just a more concentrated magnet but its modulated by the local magnetic field conditions

33:45 One of the things that we learned is that if you have a static magnetic field, that's helpful. But there is something special that comes from frequency and from being in tune with the energy of Gaia, the energy of Earth right? And so the thought is that with these paramagnetic materials It's concentrating local magnetic field phenomena, which is modulated based on the global electrical circuit. So as you have high amounts of electric charge running through the atmosphere you have this idea of these Schumann resonance frequencies range from like 7 to 11 and it's different

34:22 harmonics of this field that are going on and it affects the magnetics all over the planet with this very complex mix of frequencies and energy. And you can think of these paramagnetic materials as picking up on those very subtle energies, and concentrating them into a small area that your plants could pick up on And so that's the way I look at it and understand it. It's something that has just been tickling me for a long time, and I've been researching it. I've been doing my own experiments with power of magnetism how to measure yourself You could buy these expensive meters for measuring paramagnetic materials. But I'm like, surely you'll need something to do that? So I'm working on a blog post and some video posts on how you could do that yourself take some simple measurements and verify that the materials that you're buying are truly in fact, paramagnetic. Yeah, that's the issue that I always wrestle with is am I getting the right thing? And I always just want to get the best thing. I'm like point me to the one thing. I'll pay for it. I'll put it in

35:24 I don't have a lot of time for trial and error but man that is probably something i should look into paramagnetic towers. I mean, I see the ones in Ireland, I hear some wild claims there's even claims that monks or people who really knew this energy could stand at the top of two different towers and channel their telepathic communications to each other there are even stories that you could put water around the base and it would actually filter up through the rock to the top weird claims i don't know and we aren't exactly sure what they did with them I guess but, we see them you go out in the woods of Ireland and there's a tower there that person who built it and the culture that appreciated is no longer around so we have to reverse engineer and figure out these are some of the effects and if there are wierder ones

36:10 It would be a long time before I think we really could nail that down. I imagine that there's some correlation between these paramagnetic towers and what you're mentioning about them sitting in these moats of water, think of the like say the Washington Monument right? We have all these sacred sites within our country and all over the world where you have these obelisks that are standing by themselves but they oftentimes have water features underneath them. They're sitting in little moats of water what is that doing it amplifying the effects of this You know, in fact I don't know if you've heard of this. There was a project...I think it was called the Fountain Project? I think it's called The Fountain and there was a website called The Fountain and it was about this town somewhere maybe in Europe somewhere where there is a central fountain in the center of the town and the society of the town was not doing so well but some small group of people decided to put their energy into

37:07 Praying or putting positive vibes into the fountain in the center of the town and before you knew it more people started playing their energies into this fountain transform to the town. Into a place where things were vibrant and there was more commerce and things evolved like black and white color, I wish i could remember the name of it that was a fascinating little story. Yeah, i believe that too and its not an either or we can stack benefits you can play music for your plants with an electroculture antenna there and then also pray to him dr dean radin his book magic is real the big experiment he talks about their highly trained monks praying over crops and u see the same thing with the electroculture experiments the control looks fine and then

37:56 experimented on crop look supercharged and you know that's just one thing we could stack all this stuff and we could really create in a bunden world even though were told that everything is just so scarce. With the ancients thats great, but then i understand that in terms of documentation in the more modern world this started around the 1700 late seventeen hundreds you have French, German Italian scientists working with this. In terms of that resurgence I guess we'd call it a resurgence. It seems to go from the late 1700s and then fell into controversy you say to use a pretty neutral term in the 1920's so many things we talk about around here kind of fell apart after the 1920s and the robber baron industrial age funny as that may be

38:47 Talk to us about this little segment of time between the 1800s basically. Yeah, so I think in the 1800's onwards it was a time of massive growth of electroculture It was flourishing in Europe and made its way into the States And it was doing really great over there There was researchers all over the world getting into electroculture. In fact, it was even in India! India had a blow-up of electroculture in the 1800's and early 1900's time frame and... It was a time of great experimentation of trying out all sorts of different technologies Early on, it was using earth battery type technologies that eventually turned into using batteries with earth batteries

39:32 And eventually as the technology evolved, they started creating generators and dynamos. And they're using AC sources in addition to the batteries which were DC. And then they eventually figured out how to make high voltage and they had high voltage grids covering lands you have like towers and a grid of wires all over a field with a shack perhaps that would generate the high voltages And underneath the soil, they'd have the grounding side of things. So you're basically stimulating or simulating a lightning storm often. They would have these things turned on for hours at a time and they would see magnificent growth of their plants but what's interesting is I believe...I'm not great with my history but it was my understanding that it was after World War One and during the war they used essentially

40:24 went into fertilizer for making bombs. And then after the war ended, you have all this remaining chemical leftover that they discovered was useful for improving the growth of crops and so the way I thought of it and the way others have speculated is that why promote the growth of crops in this magnificent way for free when you could sell a consumable product and make bank on it? And so that's what I think happened. And I think that's where, whether it's suppression or they just shoved into the sidelines or disinformation who knows what campaigns were going on at the time but I imagine when you have big money behind a consumable product, you're going to have everything that's gonna be in its way especially during a time when there is lack of regulation

41:15 I think there's going to be a big problem with that. Yeah, that's well said. That is why I know I use the term conspiracy to say a lot of times it's just good business like we have a system where you're supposed to make as much money as you can and be cutthroat about it or that's the way people rise to the top and so if you have enough power and influence to direct education and direct the education of a field and pay for the scientists to get the results you want, which is what they did. You can direct things any which way." And I hadn't heard it necessarily equated to fertilizers

41:52 from bomb making, but we know Monsanto was a chemical company that was making weapons and then they rebranded it to Roundup. And it's a weed killer. It's essentially a poison don't get it on you put it on the bad life that you want to kill. It's really not much different. It's a war in the front lawn instead of a war overseas. But yeah, it's the whole industrial system. It just seems to be based on consumables like you say no matter what field for For fuel, it's coal and gas. When we know there are more abundant alternatives that are easier for the individual to cultivate hemp and alcohol both could run cars before they suddenly couldn't. And of course chemical fertilizers and pesticides have to be constantly reapplied and farmers don't have access to making them so it's another never ending consumable propping up another set of billion dollar companies

42:46 That's what conspiracy is to me a lot of times. It's just the business practices that we built this society on and them getting way out of control, I don't know how to reel it back but it's just acknowledgement of all that and then re-allowing the information from the 1800s to resurface essentially but you know the fertilizers and pesticides are a lot more profitable than a few antennas in the ground right? Exactly I mean, what's great now is that the cat's out of the bag. We have our Facebook group with over 200,000 members or just about that there are other Facebook groups that are growing by leaps and downs as well and it's great that there are people from all over the world getting together and sharing the technology and spreading this knowledge worldwide so we could reverse the trend and get the knowledge out there. Hell yeah! Hell yeah!

43:43 And i just love the whole thing because people talk about a great awakening and sometimes I roll my eyes about how silly that gets but as we've talked about when you discover this kind of resurgence of information in one area you start to ask what if this was done if this was suppressed What else could be suppressed and you start to open up to all other things and so there are hundreds of thousands of people that are learning about this through gardening and then hundreds of thousands of people learning about fuel from their knowledge of automobiles or this or that, or learning about Schauberger, learning about Wilhelm Reich. And yeah it's easy to kind of get warm and fuzzy about the fact that

44:25 A lot of this stuff is coming back and that is a beautiful thing. I wanted to talk more about the pyramid stuff because it's weird one, another thing Yannick is big on but But if you place a copper or metal pyramid structure, just even the outline the wireframe outline of a pyramid over plants. They grow better this is just a thing people who meditate say it's helpful for them to do it inside a pyramid structure whenever you see crunchy meditators hippie types mocked in mainstream media they'll be meditating under a pyramid because it's just the thing that we like to mock but it has a real effect and

45:04 I don't know how that can work. I guess it just wells up energy, but talk to us about why you think this pyramid shape has such an energetic effect and is widely applicable to many different things? Honestly it's something though...I don't think we all have a real appreciation for there've been a number of books written on this idea of pyramids in pyramid power shape power And this has become a topic of great interest for me and my partner Rayleigh Bacon We talk about this at length on our podcast and we're working on our second season right now, which includes a number of episodes on this topic. But

45:45 What's cool about it, I mean as a scientist type person the first thing when it comes to this pyramid energy is Is it real or not? And so I would encourage you build your own pyramid. Try it out It's super simple you can make pyramids of paper cardboard wood or metal I know Yannick promotes the use of copper or metal for its but I've seen successful experiments using anything from fiberglass to wood and paper in between. In fact, I heard that there was once a packaging company or a company that was making some sort of milk product that was using pyramid-shaped containers so the milk would last longer. Absolutely genius! But in terms of the shape power... The way I think of it is... I think our reality is ruled by energies you know? So while I'm a massive fan of the mainstream physics of electricity and magnetism

46:41 There's the subtle world which is I think even more dominating but we have no conscious awareness of it. Now, it is possible to become aware of it and just think about it you're in your kitchen and the cabinet door is open You walk past that you feel like this sense of discomfort The sharp edge of a cabinet door sticking out and feel awkward and uncomfortable If it was just like a photograph of it, It would make no difference. But there's something like a shape energy that comes off of that sort of thing. Yeah the feng shui is off! Exactly the feng shui is off in fact In Feng Shui they have this idea called The Poison Arrows Where if you have sharp corners, sharp edges I've been looking into the topic of Geobiology and Bioenergetic Fields I've been deep diving on this for some time now And what you see is that if you have

47:34 flat areas with sharp corners, there are these fields that come off of these sharp corners that are uncomfortable to light. And if you think of it our entire modern world is built with sharp corners right? But then I look at pictures of these southwestern Adobe homes with curved surfaces, curved insides And they are soothing and I'm like, Oh my God. I so want to have one of those homes because it is something natural and right about it. And I think there's while pyramids they're concentrating their energies using that shape power in concentrating with the fields from all four of those angles into the center and the plants

48:18 They pick up on that and they achieve some benefit. I think the angles have something to do with it, but not necessarily because we see that pyramids of different angles and different shapes whether its Nubian pyramid that has sharper point or the Cheops period, the Giza pyramid that has more oblique points to even flat based pyramid structures that have pyramid sides but a flat top there are energetic qualities there as well So I think there's just something about the sloping sides that has a difference, but the top is not necessarily the most important aspect of it. But shape affects everything and again it's another topic of deep exploration that one could dive into

48:59 Yeah and it can't be coincidence that the pyramid shape has these effects, we have these big pyramid monuments all over the planet. Seems pretty clear to me that they were built for their energetic effects maybe extreme meditation astral travel machines or the center of their vast agricultural operation or likely both I don't think they were afraid to stack benefits but you have these people in the alternative world who are researchers who are saying oh is a giant power plant or it was like some big weapon or machine. It's like, there's not gears and all this stuff inside. Like I know that they've been looted and all that but they're just structures of stone and they're all over the place and they have different motifs in different stylized aspects to them so i don't think it is a giant ancient nuclear reactor as some people try to say. It's just when you learn about the pyramid shape

49:55 effect, it's like yeah that's what it is. It is stacked stone sure you can crawl around inside of if you want to go through some chambers and maybe the kings chamber maybe thats where you do have serious lift off because astral travel is a thing If you built a machine or build...it is technically a technology or machine but you build a structure that amplifies astral travel and your in ancient Egypt In a non digital world and you can blast your mind off throughout the cosmos, yeah that's a pretty big fucking deal. That's probably something that they'd venerate and appreciate." And then other cultures, Aztecs all kinds of cultures had that stuff so I think they were made to amplify astral travel in meditation and then also we know to charge seeds it's just an energy amplifier of the natural energy it's not something you got to plug-in or have any cordage for

50:52 Right. It's totally natural and it's easy, and anyone could make it! You just need some sticks and some angles attached together. It's a technology that's available for everyone. Nothing fancy required. Yeah. It's not so mysterious when you think about it that way. And sure maybe it's aligned with the star system? Maybe that amplifies things we really don't know much about that I actually heard you talk about a book...I'm not sure if it was you or Rayleigh Baker one of you guys in one of your podcasts was talking about this book The Star Mirror the cosmic symmetry of heaven and earth seems pretty wild. It's as above so below kind of stuff but, as an example Mount Everest and

51:30 its congruence with Alpha Centauri, Earth's biggest mountain and Earth's closest star. Apparently there is a lot of symmetrical aspects of the earths natural features and the cosmos above it comes from this book right? Yeah exactly we were thinking that in addition to the energies their presence within the pyramid structures themselves that perhaps theirs in a greater energetic effect like a macro scale energetic effects that comes from the alignment of these geological features and the man-made features that are placed in accordance with them. Like in Feng Shui, everything's about relationship and angles and there is just something there that we're all... it's on a tip of our tongue, we can't access it quite yet And when technology comes available That will give us the ability to see this energy fields around us It's gonna be like aha!

52:25 But I think we're a ways away from that right now. Yes, I think so too. So I also heard you say that some of the stone megaliths that aren't pyramid shaped could have been applied to this sort of system like maybe Stonehenge was originally a garden or something like that? I wouldn't say there wasn't necessarily a garden but I could see it as another place where one could go to charge their seeds because of the geometries of it, the alignments had some special significance. Actually Stonehenge is not something I'm too aware of except that i think they were made with something called blue stone and all the stones have very special properties to them they have some electric field emanations or magnetic field emanations there probably built over some sort of false region

53:17 But I think all of these sacred sites were probably originally made for helping with the agrarian societies. And then over time, they were probably adapted for higher consciousness work as well like astral travel and so on from there Yeah i think that makes a lot of sense and it's not really something permanent like a garden but it's a multifunctional space of energy amplification and whatever you wanna do that day, you can go into charger stones are meditate or maybe have a very important prayer someone in your family is sick maybe you can bring them there how to spend the day in that area.

53:57 Yeah, exactly. I mean...I think about how churches and monasteries are built over these places of high geological fault areas for amplifying the consciousness fields that are present within those spaces you know there's a lot of healing that takes place in these sacred spaces and i would imagine that even before the creation of these various buildings and structures with sacred geometry, and their antenna structures. And all the features that go into them that in the natural world people were building as you mentioned earlier Cairns and Dolmen stacked rock structures or standing stone to concentrate these natural energies into a single place where people could take advantage of them in a stacked way from

54:48 C charging to helping with healing and helping the healing of the sick. Maybe the ancient witch doctors or shamans would utilize those areas as well. Yeah, I'm with you. I think it makes a lot more sense everybody's arguing about was it this or that? And it's like, I think it's just everything is the place for everything and man so let me ask you this if you took like acre of land and you wanted to really make the most abundant robust food forest, you know, I say food for us because we're not talking about little raised beds. We're talking about like putting plants in the ground where they're supposed to be and a natural landscape, but you wanted it to supercharge your yield? What would you structure to get the best benefit? Because I hear you talk about AC versus DC and high voltage of course, I mentioned you're not really selling items that are copper or using other materials

55:44 So, I guess what type of charge? What type of materials would you put a big paramagnetic tower in the center. What would you do with a blank canvas of an acre of land to use all the energetic principles for maximum benefit?" I would probably take a very stacked approach. I wouldn't treat it like a scientific experiment where i want to try one thing and another thing separately, I want to stack things up so the first thing I would do is make sure that my soil was in the best pristine position as possible. I'd probably want to start with a soil test and see what's the present soil makeup? And add into the soil mixing amendments, bring in animals, natural manures

56:30 and start with the soil level first. And along those lines, I will also be doing an energetic field study with dowsing rods either map dowsing or physical on-premise type dowsing or a combination of both and find the best locations to install paramagnetic towers while also adding paramagnetic and rock elements through the soil mix itself from there I would then be looking at water sources, where's the water coming in on the property? And if it's coming in from a natural stream and being pumped onto the land perhaps. I'd be thinking okay let's energize this water as its coming on in. Let's add in magnetic treatments lets add in Schauburger vortices type of treatments you know like Dr. Dan Winters types stuff

57:21 I'd want to do everything possible to maximize that benefit. I would be looking at where am i keeping my seed? What type of structures and store them, let's start moving that seed underneath some large pyramid. And start charging those pyramids, charging the seeds underneath those pyramids. As I start planning out my garden area, whether i'm doing it something decorative or trying to make something that has some sort of a sacred geometry pattern. I'd be digging out my rows for where I want to place my seeds and I'd be submerging wires into the ground for running electricity through those wires probably doing a mix...a stacked mix of running

58:05 electrical currents from solar-powered pulsers, so I could experiment with seeing which types of frequencies work best for a given types of plant. While at the same time i'd be mixing in that type of magnetic antennae technology So they're getting access to not only the static magnetic field from say ionic type device but also the pulse magnetic field and the electrical bleed off from DC electroculture that I found to be so effective as well. So, I think that would be like the main parts I would be starting off with. I'm not sure if I'd have an electro-culture antenna sticking up in the middle of it. It depends on whether or not I want to look at the sky and just have a nice bare open sky because like I said there's many sources of electricity and if you're using those towers they are collecting atmospheric electricity

58:57 The way I see it is those were primarily made because they have limited access to modern ways of making electricity back in the day. And some folks consider those things to be an eyesore, similar to having wind generators sprinkled across America or the land So on one level I liked the idea of having my 168 point electrostatic energy collector sitting up in my yard. Oh that's really cool, I made that or that looks really neat it's so unique looking! I might have it as a sculpture On one side of it has a sculpture garden area of some interesting devices that I've made or the other people have made to accentuate the artisticness of electroculture that I so love and enjoy. But for the majority of my land, I would use stuff that's more hidden modern approaches use natural solar energy and paramagnetic concentrators to build up the soil along with energized water and seed

59:56 Right on. I like it! What about putting one of those antennas that you sell on a home, or all four corners of the home? That's right so if you have a home you could place these things in each corner to access different gardening areas Or even just one corner and run the wire into your garden area It has lots and lots of points and spikes So it's going to collect a lot of energy and by running that into your garden area, you can run it as like a loop into all of your different planting areas. And the energy will bleed off into all of those areas improving the growth of all of your plants. I wondered if it would just have an effect on people living in the home?

1:00:38 Might be able to get some positive energy no bigger a little last kids calm down but i don't know about that boat has aside knows what's cool is there been experiments using the crystal flow antenna. Where he installed them into chicken coops, So I've done some experiments myself, well...I'm not going to say experiment. It was really more of a demonstration type of thing where I ran one of these antennas into my chicken coop. I haven't seen any great results because i'm not really comparing them but what they did is he would take the output from these antennas and run them into the chicken house and it'd run them right next to the egg laying area

1:01:18 And so what would happen is as the currents are flowing through the wire, it's putting out magnetic fields. And as those fields are touching the chickens as they're laying their eggs or roosting there at night, they're getting access to the health benefits of magnetic field technology So, to what you're saying on one level you could have grounding mats in your home. People buy grounding mats for their beds people buy grounded shoes where it has like metal points on the bottom that allow them to be connected with the earth even though they are wearing shoes but at the same time you can have basic antennas going into your home perhaps going near your sleeping area so as you're resting at night you could be picking up natural earth energies

1:02:01 funneling into your body as magnetic fields and then they're coming out of your body through your grounding mats. So again, it might be a nice way of stacking up these different technologies for your home health. I like it! I was also thinking about just how could this be applied to different products and this and that? You know, the whole idea of supercharging seeds with a pyramid is interesting. But what about pyramid shaped growing cubes? Those little cubes that people start their seedlings in and then they usually just take those like the sponge-like material and put that right in the soil. What about making that more pyramid shaped I would imagine that could have an effect And then you're not just putting the seeds on something temporarily but it's baked right into the plant itself

1:02:48 Yeah, that's a great idea. You know for someone who is out there who has the means of making rock wall cubes in the form of a pyramid that is a great invention for someone to pick up you should get royalties for that Hey I'm thinking I should but you know you got this store and make all kinds of cool stuff which is really what I want let me ask you this first so we can keep products closer to the very end Are there favorite people in the field alive or dead that you've learned from that you think people should really dive into? I imagine this Justin Christoflo is one of them. Yeah, Justin Christopho is one of the main guys

1:03:29 I believe it is from France, and he's the one who came up with this idea of... It's a very interesting antenna-looking thing. It kind of looks like an anvil that's sitting on top of a pole with bunch of spikes sticking out of it. And what's cool about it for me is that it's probably the first of its kind that's using different types of energy collectors all within the same apparatus. It has the spikes for collecting the atmospheric electricity. It has a plate on top there for collecting raindrop charged raindrops and as they hit the plate, the electricity flows down a wire. It has some basic type of... There's two different metals within there where I think if the plates gets cooler while the rest of the system is hot it'll generate a small amount of electric charge plus it has a magnet on there where it has that like magnetic antenna effect where taking that magnetic energy and also running it down the wire

1:04:26 So it was a pretty amazing stack system for pulling in all sorts of different electromagnetic energies into your gardening environment. So definitely a fan of his work, in fact I think he's probably my favorite one and I think a lot credit needs to go to the number of researchers out there who have done the work of electrophysiology Andrew Goldsworthy is one that I enjoyed his work British researcher And I think there's a guy, John Muir. He did research with orgone energy and plants and that's a really cool topic. That's something I've been very interested in for a long time. I once had this device that I bought from an old catalog that I don't think is around any longer it was called tools for exploration but they had this device was called a beamer

1:05:22 and it was basically a cylindrical device. It was basically an orgone transmitter in the form of a tube, and what was cool was you held up this tube and you could hold your hand up against it and you could feel this energy in your hands. And so there's a lot of really cool areas that you could touch upon with orgone and that's something I'm interested in researching and experimenting and building devices for. So that's one of my loves with all of this really is The inventing and the building of various types of contraptions, it really lights me up to tinker and build things up. And make things that other people enjoy and purchase from all over the world and install in their gardens and huts

1:06:05 Yeah. And I would love to see this stuff at a big scale, an industrial scale even just a small family farm scale usually it's just individuals in backyard plots and that's fine. That's cool but like I really would love to see it get amped up because I hear even flavor is affected by a lot of this stuff and that's intriguing. That's a test I'd like to do sometime exactly so flavor is affected by it It makes perfect logical sense if you could think of not only the plants producing more sugars because they're becoming greener in color and are creating more sugar as a source of energy, you're also getting all sorts of other effects where it's creating different types... The compounds are being created changing flavor profiles. It's a very popular thing in the cannabis industry now because by applying electroculture to cannabis

1:07:00 where everything is about the uniqueness and different flavor profiles, and the different ratios of THC. And the different types of THCs involved I am absolutely sure even though i'm not embedded in that industry that there's a lot going on there In fact, I remember being amazed early on one of the first tests on the Canvas plan I think was the Electric Lemon G strain where the grower of that strain hit the seeds with a stun gun and ended up winning the Cannabis Cup in that particular year. Holy cool! Now there's turning a weaponized technology into a beneficial one. That's awesome, you got to flip it

1:07:40 Okay, so before we wrap this up let's talk about your products in the store. Obviously you have a book people can get but you also have the Harvest Storm line of products and the biggest thing you sell is the Atmospheric Energy Collector made out of stainless steel. Talk to us about this range of products and their uses So I have a number of products that i've created and I sell. The first one is for people who are interested in getting involved with DC Electroculture, I have a very simple device it's meant for indoor use at the present time. I've made larger versions of it in the past but I prefer to keep things simple and low cost or the average consumer

1:08:21 So that one puts out a pulse to energy field, pulse DC energy field that you could apply to single plants. But you can also apply it to another plant by placing electrodes further apart from each other. Those devices are also expandable where you could buy additional add-on modules the daisy chain to multiple plants and then go as large as you want to go because you'll just need a tiny amount of current to create the effect I've also created my own atmospheric collector antenna. It has 168 gold plated points and it comes with a metal rod and all the connecting hardware so all you need to do is zip tie it or attach it in your preferred way to like your home, or a metal post, or a long fishing rod

1:09:09 There are many ways that people use these things and they install them in their gardens. And then when you install them into the grounds, what you're going to do is... You're going to run the wire through your plants. You can either run wires shielded or unshielded if there are shielded wire, you'll get the magnetic field effect from the magnetics that flow around the wire but if you have a wire that's unshielded, you're gonna get this electrical bleed off where it's going to slowly put the energy into the soil around it as well. And because it has 168 points compared to the CrystalFlow version that has maybe 30 points, you're getting a lot more electricity, a lot more bang for your buck in a very small area. On top of that I sell paramagnetic cones they come with wires that are underneath them so you could basically stick the cone underneath your soil bed

1:10:01 and then run the wire underneath the rest of your plants in a given row, and that magnetic energy that's getting concentrated is going to flow throughout that wire. And it gives benefit to all the plants within that row as well My books are available online at multiple different sources They're available on Amazon and Gumroad And you can find my books basically through my website, electricfertilizer.com or through energeticgrowers.com If you go to energeticgrowers.com we have a free spiral antenna guide Ray and I put together this really amazing guide that talks about the basics of spiral antennas You will also get onto our mailing list from there

1:10:44 where you'll get access to our podcast and all of our blog posts that we've been publishing together, including reposts from some of the previous blog articles I've written back from 2014 or so. So we have a lot to offer come check us out. We're working on courses and other materials that will be coming your way. And thanks for supporting us! Yeah hell yeah good pitch i like it I appreciate you doing this. I guess it's not as exciting to people who aren't at least growing something, but I think we all should. We all should have a, at least a raised bed or something on the patio. We need a vast decentralized network of abundance and everyone can participate in that to some degree. So I appreciate the info keep doing what you do and take care out there. Thanks very much. Take care yourself and let me know if you need any help with anything. All right. Will do okay?

1:11:40 And here we are, back to your irregularly scheduled programming. This is one I had banked pre-election. I tried to do that with these sort of timeless subjects but now that we've talked to a few people about the big crazy geopolitical chess game shit show It seems like a good time to return to things that we can actually engage with. Things that highlight the magic and mystery of the natural world! Things that can improve your experiences with growing your own stuff It really is insane and I'm glad we got to fit pyramid power in there too because it's just so weird that the energetic structure of a pyramid has effects even with no moving parts or mechanical aspects to it. Clearly, it's not a coincidence that shape is in giant structures scattered all across the ancient world

1:12:36 I said this at the beginning, but i really like this electroculture subject because it sort of validates the ether or atmospheric energy. It's provable and it's testable and so why isn't it used at scale? Well we know why but it certainly can incept some people into thinking on our level and being a little more critical and skeptical of the intentions of most of the industry masters And that too is why I like the history of it, because it's not just an unknown thing. It's a suppressed thing. Intention was put into erasing this information So out of spite, I like to cover here When people say you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube or you can't contain a secret once its out Or you cant control education...or the way and entire field of science thinks

1:13:32 Well, this is one of many examples I would cite to those people. But if it's possible with something this simple and practical and freely available it's possible with anything to control information around a subject or even create the guardrails as to how people think things even work no small thing so big thanks to David he really did a great job bringing And I also have to thank the listener who recommended David. He actually sent me a well-written, to the point bullet pointed list of a few recommendations in permaculture slash electroculture and it was so well presented that i dug into all of them and that's how we got The Mark Shepard episode 2 but this listener recommended Janik Van Dorne and I went back and forth with Janik he actually

1:14:24 No showed on me at least twice, maybe three times. Because once I've done the prep work and have my outline, I'm pretty much ready to go at any moment so I'll really bend over backwards just not let it go to waste but eventually had to stop rescheduling with them. I've done well, but my house isn't so big that there's anywhere they can go and be loud without it getting picked up in the office here. So to get them out of the house and have a guest not show up... It's pretty frustrating But whatever we all got our stuff Janik is a big name in this space though He knows a lot about electroculture he's a good resource if you want to dig deeper

1:16:26 Also, in higher side news the first round of the Outline eBay auction is over. I sold 27 outlines for a grand total of $1469.81 an average of $54 per outline The 43 that went unbid on got auto-relisted so those will be up there actually i think for maybe a day No, it's less than 24 hours. So check the link in the show notes if you have any interest in that I'll probably add a few more and relist those again so we should have stuff...I don't know all the way until the first week of January. So that's how its going for people who like those kind of details Kinda interesting Everybody seems very happy with what they get and it's working out for me

1:17:22 And speaking of things that are working out, the last episode with Gordon was definitely well liked at a 4.7! With at least two people saying they accidentally rated it lower than they wanted to It does happen But 4.7 you know that's good and Gordon is clearly a long time staple He knows about a lot he finds the right people to extract information from he synthesizes it well I'm not surprised it was well liked And I do hope we get to do an in-person event in 2025. Speaking of in person events, let's look at the meetup calendar! For those wondering, I did go to the Tampa event. My wife's friend's husband went with me otherwise I might have had to pass but he was willing to give it a shot and I think he was curious about what kind of audience I might attract

1:18:17 And it was good, about 12-14 people in all right on the bay at a great little bar there met several cool people and heard how THC helped a few people. One guy lost over 150 pounds and turned his life around largely due to the guests on THC Another was stuck under very strict COVID lockdown in Panama It seems like Panama... ...was more draconian and strict than most other places and they used THC to cope with that. Another woman had been listening for 11 years and likes THC more than any other podcast, so it was really great! Big thanks to the professional anthropologist attending the conference who set up this event because he manifested a good night for a dozen people or so... And that's a beautiful thing how often do we do that ourselves? But when it comes to the other events on the calendar

1:19:16 We have one in Humboldt, California November 30th. I think that's a new one so not a lot of time to tell people about it but hey if you're in the Humboldt area check it out December 9th Auckland New Zealand Gail Braths Alehouse December 21st Denver Colorado and that's really it three events left to close out the year probably won't have any more if you got something for december you want to throw out there you should Though I know December is a busy month for many people. Either way, find other locals who think like you—engaging with stuff is what life's all about! But there we have it another podcast launched out into the digital ocean and one more to go before we close the books on November And I'll see ya then electricfertilizer.com for all David's stuff I thank him for his time fun guy let him know YOU enjoyed it

1:20:12 There aren't a lot of places for someone deep in electroculture to promote their work. I'm happy to be one of those places and i really want to see the work continue so at least give them a good attaboy if you got the time but i love you guys thanks for listening obviously Thanksgiving's coming up, I hope that you're not dealing with people that are so ideologically captured that they can't even enjoy a meal It's very easy to do and there is a tendency to write these people off, but think about it from a different more empathetic perspective that it has to be very exhausting to be so mind controlled really though I don't want to sound condescending about it. Family is what it is but its nice to spend time with those people that are often times responsible for why you're here because you never know when the last time will be

1:21:10 But I've done my part. Your move, electroculture quarantiners natural system suppressors and chemical-based bastards! You're fuckin' moved. And it's soaked in toxic spray We can't have you believing that there is any better way Now hold on a little minute Don't think what you say is true You're just shilling for the industry and this is long overdue Go flip the switch, give those plants the juice Drink from the electric river without power Flip the switch Let energy flow Nature wants to

1:22:05 The gardens want to grow I like how you're thinking, but it just won't work Son it's awfully complicated Putting seeds in the dirt What's on TV? Worry about anything else baby Just not what you're gonna eat Profits are high Nutrition is low But you can pay the rent with healthy living Darling now hold on a little minute

1:22:47 What you say is true, they're just shilling for the industry and this is long overdue Go the switch get those plants the juice drink from the electric river that switch Let energy flow nature wants to deliver gardens want to grow profits are high nutrition's low

1:23:39 But you can't pay the rent with healthy living Darling, no no no Now hold on a little minute What you say is true You're just shilling for industry And this F-the switch Give those plants the juice Drink from the electric river Let that F-the switch Let energy flow Nature wants to deliver Gardens want to grow