David Blume | The Alcohol Conspiracy & The Road Map To Energy Independence

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01:48 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed a nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times but we're far from 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration We offer a fresh conversation! I'm Greg Carlwood And these are The Hireside Chats How's it going Hireside Chatters from sunny San Diego? I'm your humble host Greg Carlwood and there has never been a more appropriate episode to drink a little drink, smoke a little smoke in defiance of the massive multi-generational propaganda campaign against my favorite consumable pastimes.

02:32 This is a great show. There's a lot of awesome, practical information in here on a crucial topic and I feel like anyone who is having a hard time financially should really pay attention to the possibilities this could help them out alot as well as anyone who just wants to stick it to the oil companies, Rockefeller lineage, IRS, and international bankers all at the same time all while improving their own situation cost-of living and much more It's a bigger deal than it might seem on the surface, and powerful people have spent billions of dollars to sway your mind one way. And we want all that spending to be in vain! It's pretty cheap to tell people the truth but the lies... That's what expensive So listen carefully to the man with the plan The dude who beat crude and right on the other side of this little THC diddy done by one of the listeners named Sean We'll Be Talking With David Bloom I walk on the highest side

03:30 I walk on the higher side. UFOs carry the elite, while cryptids sprinkle fairy dust we call it DMT The machine elves capture the layout of the rapture We can't let leprechauns get the gold that they're after Blackout children come around and they give you the creeps Greg Carlwood chillin' with a gang of big feet I could say that is that in a reptilian pope hat But i'd rather get started on a higher side chat What? Greg where are you at I am right here, and a big thanks to Sean for that one. But alright folks today we're going to uncover yet another area of manipulation and try to undo some damage the good ole Rockefeller propaganda has done to our culture yet again this time in the area of energy & fuel. You know we've heard about these so called new fuel options with ethanol or E15 or E85 and we really don't know what that is? It can get pretty confusing as well and the long history of manipulation and lies only makes it worse but the situation with

04:31 Oil and gasoline is one of the most serious on the planet today, and when you hear just how simple an empowering solutions can be. You're going to have a whole new reason to load the nefarious elite So let's clear up that confusion and provide a little ethanol enlightenment with our guest David Blum One of the leading experts on the topic And he has been educating people on it probably longer than I've been alive He's the author of the book alcohol can be a gas and is featured heavily in a new documentary called Pump, aimed at this subject as well which premieres in New York and LA this very weekend. It's fascinating stuff and I think you're really going to be blown away so let's do the damn thing! David Blum welcome to THC. Hey welcome Greg glad to be here

05:10 Yeah, man. Thanks for doing this! I know that over the years i've failed to educate myself about fuel because it always just seemed boring and kind of confusing there's a lot of propaganda out there and when I learned about your work I was pretty shocked and being primarily a conspiracy show we know that entire populations are often undermined for the profits of a few and happens more than anyone would like to admit but uh... To get us started why don't you tell us about the real history here with alcohol and gas? Because the truth is we've had a solution longer then even had a problem right David Well, yes. When you think about it for a minute it wasn't like we discovered gasoline and said wonder if we have an engine that would run on that? The engines came first they ran on other things before gasoline was invented and that other thing was plain old 100% moonshine so alcohol was the first fuel before gasoline was ever invented

06:08 And it was used first for internal combustion engines in mines where you couldn't have toxic exhaust. And then automobiles picked up alcohol and continued into the future, the Model T was an alcohol vehicle which later able to run on gasoline but Henry Ford was a total advocate of alcohol fuel because Well you may have heard ford's famous saying if my workers can't afford my car then it is too expensive and so he looked at that time sixty percent of the country was involved in agriculture so his first vehicles

06:55 where tractors and cars and you know they all ran on alcohol at that time because thats not just what was available but that's what was affordable so. As time moved on, there was this fella named Rockefeller who came along who was making his money replacing whale oil for lamps with kerosene. So he'd boil up the oil and he would get the heavy stuff like the kerosene for lighting and heating and throw away all that volatile nasty stuff by dumping it in rivers at night.

07:38 you know people didn't like that too much especially when the river caught on fire so i figured out, dad if you fast around with car enough he can get it to run on that volatile stuff instead of alcohol. And since it was a waste product from his other industry he could undercut the price of alcohol in the market so after a bit of time the market was split between city fuel which was gasoline and what was sold in the countryside with alcohol and basically you have a car that would go between the two so if you drove out of country there were no gas stations then you had to stop by a farm, and buy a jug of alcohol to put in your tank and then switching come on back to the city so far long time is quite a tussle in the market. Between other fuels

08:36 Man it is just such a fascinating story and I mean, i think alot of people would be shocked to hear that ethanol was around right in the beginning. And then as Rockefeller wanted to kind of corner this market, thats kinda what fueled the whole prohibition thing isn't it? Thats right! Went to Henry Ford museum in Dearborn and researched this because i heard its true And what I found was that Rockefeller conducted an enormous campaign against alcohol in the early part of the 1900s. Basically, he just decided he didn't want 50% of the market, he wanted the whole market which is basically the goal of capitalism as a monopoly. So Rockefeller went after alcohol by demonizing it as a drug.

09:30 You know basically saying that alcohol is the root of all evil and what he did is he hired the women's christian temperance movement a group of crazy old ladies you know. I used to go into bars with umbrellas and beat people about the head saying, lips that touch alcohol will never touch mine and you can imagine how fringy these people were any given millions of dollars by rockefeller, they were able to walk into congress and buy off congress to make alcohol illegal for all purposes.

10:10 But you gotta understand this wasn't just passing a bill, this was passing a constitutional amendment. So for the viewers out there who forgot their civics classes that's two thirds majority now you got to imagine this was done in early nineteen hundreds And women didn't even vote yet when this was passed so you can say all the little ladies pass this thing it was sheer economic bribery that that had hard-drinking Congress vote against alcohol. It destroyed alcohol for about 20 years as a fuel in the United States and caused the destruction of literally billions of dollars worth of alcohol producing equipment around the United States, so for awhile Rockefeller had the whole market to himself and we became a gasoline guzzling country.

11:07 It's so funny to hear this because i'm not naive i know that money is behind everything but i guess i just been led to believe that prohibition was the one time that government wanted a crack down on something for the betterment of society and man how naive i was why should this situation be any different you know. Well thats thing you know people say oh your conspiracy theorist when something happens, You know you're either conspiracy theorist or your coincidence there is no just happens so basically if something big happens people work on it to make it happen and they were together.

11:49 Breathe together which is the meaning of conspiracy you know that's what happens and so basically it's. It's more an expression organization vs coincidence when we talk about how government incorporation work together, to make something happen for the benefit of the corporations. Yeah, and on a show called THC we gotta point out I mean this is almost a direct parallel to the marijuana hemp issue that plant was made illegal because it was a threat to big business and because people could harvest it on their own pretty easily again you know it's not about the consumption up the quote-unquote drug both products just happened to be great at taking the hedge off but its about getting in the way of huge corporate profits and

12:37 frustrating and really sad when you hear the true story. Well now you know how they developed the strategy to stop hemp from being in the market, it was a repeat of prohibition and alcohol. They demonized hemp as a drug which it was practically just rope at that time And then had it prohibited and so the playbook they worked from, and corporations reuse what works over and over again. They're not the most creative bunch. So it worked for alcohol and they made it work for hemp and just like in the case of alcohol only the United States fell for it.

13:18 I mean rockefeller went after france and germany in all these other places to pay but pretty about alcohol. And they'll said you must be kidding prohibit wine for having beer you must be not so only the united states bought propaganda just go figure you know i've also heard you tell an interesting anecdote about world war two i mean the germans used alcohol is there fuel right it kinda came into play with our strategy, Well, Germany was really different than the United States. Germany had a lot of coal but they had no oil

13:55 So basically germany ran its entire economy on alcohol all the vehicles ran out of the trucks ran on it planes ran on it. And germany was a powerhouse in world because it was exporting alcohol engines and alcoholic equipment tractors everything around the world locomotives they may running on alcohol so, That was the national fuel in germany in the early part of nineteen hundred when it comes when he came to world war two. Get a what power the whole german economy then too you have to realize in germany,

14:37 they have the same problem there that we have in the united states today they had huge surpluses of agriculture now here is corn way too much corn. there they had way too much potatoes and so there were seventy seven thousand cooperative distilleries around germany processing surplus potatoes and alcohol. As we all know if you make potatoes in dal college vodka right now i'm in downtown college whiskey but the alcohol is the same in both cases so when it came to world war two,

15:18 Our strategist thought alright what will find germany's two or three refineries will bomb knows and then we can go back to business well. Germany didn't have any refineries so they had the bomb seventy seven thousand community distillery stand the war, come for years so in terms of anti terrorism more national security The best thing you can do is have thousands of alcohol distilleries because you can't be cut off from energy or fuel and Germany wasnít. So the Nuremberg Accords following World War II, they were prohibited from establishing an alcohol fuel system again so thatís how bothersome having those darn farmers in charge of the energy supply instead of a handful of oil corporations.

16:14 Man, it's just so interesting to hear that alternative side of things. And going back to Prohibition for a minute since it was about the fuel side of things and not at all about the consumption once prohibition ended did the government keep the fuel side of the law in place? No, no the fuel side took off like a rocket because we are in the early depression near the 30s and United States and farmers were the most hard hit. And so we had a huge surplus of farm products because world war one had generated a big demand for wheat and stuff and so basically after that war which was roughly the time that provision started it was double hammer to the farmers they increase their production in the market went away. So i have to prohibition farmer start making alcohol like crazy we had

17:15 We had a company one copy called agro which had over two thousand stations throughout the midwest and it's old blends of alcohol in pure alcohol pump. And the oil companies to get rid of this new movement toward alcohol again, did the first media saturation bombing. So what happened in the case of Agrawal is that the oil companies hand delivered because there was no internet, there were no fax machines hand delivered press releases to every radio station and every newspaper in the country

17:54 And what the press releases said was, the Agrawal company wasn't helping American farmers. It was getting Caribbean molasses and making alcohol and taking advantage of the positive spin that farmers were providing this and they were really traitors to the country Well it's that time people believed everything at the press said and so everyone boycott agro in thirty days they were out of business so companies have become masters using the media to. Discredit and otherwise destroy alcohol feeling this hundred year war that day,

18:40 been in between farmers and themselves so you know this the impact i was talking to someone here at the, Premier the other night here at pump the movie which is a bad alternative fuels and i was talking to her cuz she's in the PR business and i said well tell me what's the largest pr firm in the world. And she named one and i said not even close the largest p r from the world, is the american petroleum institute and it's bigger than the top three pr firms put together

19:17 So when the API cranks up to mess with alcohol, it's a tidal force. It's like a tidal wave coming in across the media and that's why you haven't heard about this stuff before Yeah, I mean you wonder why they would need such a huge PR firm and now we're starting to realize that they've had to keep this secret. What about the big oil or what about the big energy crisis during the Carter presidency? Did alcohol fuel make any kind of rebound during that? Well, that was the – since World War II. That was the big resurgence of alcohol. Carter was righteously angry that the American oil companies were

20:03 raise their prices to the same prices as the Arab embargo countries. In other words, the Arabs had decided our support of Israel needed to be punished and so they cut off the oil basically to show everyone that they were in charge and that we had to stop funding Israel. And people in this country for the first time had to wait in line, they were rationed, they could only get fuel every other day and then only 10 gallons. People in this country who are not used to having their freedom to have fuel curtailed and there was a tremendous amount of anger which Carter

20:52 Understood and so he slapped on a fifty cent gallon. Windfall profit tax against the oil companies and then gave all that money to develop alternative energy alcohol blossomed again, all across the country in nineteen eighty eight nineteen seventies and you know thousands of companies got started then man I'm learning more every minute. So tell us about your personal journey because i know you've been involved a lot in empowering self-sustaining areas over the years and you've been trying to teach about these things for a long time when did you first learn about this? Well, I first learned about it college back in the dark ages of the early 70's and

21:43 I learned about it from an ecology professor. My profession is as an ecologist and biosystems scientist, so i learned in a offhand way just to comment on the class we saw bottle of beer fermenting were talking about You know big big five gallon bucket of a bottle of beer for me where the teacher said i just run your car and i totally didn't believe him so i went to library figure, i'm gonna find out there's never been anything other than gasoline hot and i was shocked that was gigantic hidden history about all. That nobody was talking about so thats how i got hooked

22:26 And when the gas crisis hit i started working for mother earth news which back in the day was the alternative energy appropriate technology think tank and publish a magazine so i had a couple of other guys around the alcohol fuel, division of mother news and we publish distillery plans and distributed them all over the country in the hundreds of thousands. And you know people were making alcohol all over the country with her plants so it was a gasoline gone way up people really motivated, and it was very worrisome time for the oil companies

23:10 And eventually with this as you went along you eventually ran into some legal trouble didn't ya well the legal trouble came about because of the oil companies have mobilized. Into where into fighting alcohol and so because i had taught couple hundred workshops how to make out all over a period years, The pbs came to me and said hey let's take your workshop and make it into a tv series and so was ten half hour shows. Two years to produce we wrote about go along with it which is the precursor to my modern version alcohol can be gas when on air in san francisco hundred thirty pbs stations were signed up to read after the premiere,

24:04 and during the premiere i was at the printer getting the book printed this is all before desktop publishing right this was actual photographs in ruby with windows, you know physical paste up of a book so we were there getting the book printed and also we got a call to stop presses. And when i call kq ed i find out that They're letting the premier finish but they cancel the distribution to the other hundred and twenty or so stations that were supposed to hear this show and what happened was chevron call them up instead. We don't understand we thought you liked our money,

24:52 And why is that on the air and they just cancelled it immediately. So anyways all the facts of that got discovered in a three year lawsuit i filed against KQED oil companies but you know, they had lots of money and big lawyers and they were able to keep things suppressed but well its out now Right and if i remember correctly you had done some still distilling of your own which is a big no-no in this area at least it was in the late eighties right. Yeah you know other news we looked into it and we found that there was no legal way to make distillation products in united states, you could just barely make wine or beer only in small batches that were no brew pubs nothing like that

25:44 And that was all a throwback to the prohibition era where alcohol was highly regulated. So those laws were still on the books and in that day, there was something called the government printing office which as a citizen and a taxpayer you could order anything that the government published for free It was all hard copy wow so we went ahead and went to the government printing office in god the entire.

26:20 Library of regulations the alcohol tobacco and firearms it's doing about four feet tall on the floor of the apartment we were working on this in. You know so we got a keg beer we said we're gonna find this thing looking for an exception to the rules somewhere in the regulations that would let us distill alcohol, show here we work on through page at a time for us looking for the thing about halfway through the stack which was good cuz if we would have had any more beer we would never gotten any further anyway you know. There it was the experimental distillers license i look at that and go this is this is the wedge we use to drive in so what it said why is if you were a corporation

27:10 that i wanted to try something different or new you didn't have to fill out the hundred thousand dollars worth of paperwork for a beverage license you can file this simple form and be able to do your experiments no so. I feel that out i sent it in and we got back you know all approved only cost a hundred dollars nice amazing so, So we already had our still built of course, we were already playing with it. So we called up the alcohol tobacco and firearms people said hello hello we have a still over here we're making fuel you know and like the next day a SWAT team shows up The ATF shows up And I get hauled off in handcuffs but We called the press before they showed up so the whole thing was reported and filmed

28:09 So the next morning when i have to go before the judge, I was surrounded by the press in the courtroom. And so here am standing there with handcuffs behind me and the judge says well Mr bloom it seems like there's not much to discuss her you had a distillery and we presume that means you were gonna make alcohol for it so you seem to be guilty And says do you have anything to say about that cuz i went there to defend with defending myself without a lawyer and i said no your honor i do have a statement. And are there some precedent actually about this city goes well what's that mr bloom and i said well you see,

28:56 Back in england in the seventeen hundred stay arrested a chemist for having a distillery and just as mr bloom you're trying my patience seventeen hundreds i said well bear me out your honor so i said yeah this guy got busted for having it still really judge says very same thing you know, you have to still resolute presume your guilty and is because you have the equipment in your possession. And the young chemist said well in that case your honor i have another crime to you know to confess too and it just says what is it he said why i have to confess to rape. Just great scott did you rate somebody from the chemistry no but i have the equipment my possession so good, so much judge says mr blue there will be no levity in my courtroom

29:52 And all the whole press started laughing at that comment. But I then said, well your honor can you have the bailiff pull this piece of paper out of my back pocket? So they take paper out of my back pocket because i couldn't get to it and was handcuffed and they brought up to judge and judge opens it up looks at me goes My god! This man has a distillery permit That's right take these cuffs off on walking out and thats what happened But that wasn't the end of it we wrote an article about it we published around the country how to get your own permit what happened me and hundred fifty thousand people applied for the permit now. You know you think government can handle that but there were only three guys in the alcohol tobacco firearms office to process these permits so they come into work and the entire offices full from floor to ceiling with sex and mail

30:52 So this caused me to be called up before Congress. Remember, this is the oil crisis and the head of the ATF was called up before Congress. And the senator who was in charge at the hearing was George McGovern so for those of you who weren't part of the 60's and 70's, George McGovern was a really – for Congress, a real radical Democrat. I mean he tried to stop the Vietnam War. He was a good guy. So anyway he has both up there in congress and it goes to the ATF press you know i'm director and says can you explain me why your stopping patriotic americans, from making alcohol to power their cars instead of buying arab oil. What's the guy who is standing there just a bureaucrat is not used to a senator calling out on the carpet sputtering there mcgovern turns to me and says

31:53 Well, do you have an answer to this Mr. Bloom? I said your honor i have actually a pretty simple to follow piece of paper here, which would be a pretty good model for a permit the ATF could use to register all the stills and it's only a page and a half. And so they take it up to McGovern he goes well that looks good and turns to the ATF guy says you think that's good enough? The ATF guy would have agreed anything at that point to get out of the room So that permit is still Pretty much unchanged till today You can make your own alcohol based on the permit I wrote, and you can make up to 5,000 gallons a year. The permit is free and it's really easy to fill out

32:38 Wow, so yeah that's it's so crazy that there would be such a loophole in the system But it's really not surprising when you find that. It's originally there for corporate purposes You know they're the only one right I think would use it That's right history is really cool There's much much more history but you know the point was that it's been a struggle between alcohol and and the people that control fossil fuel for a long time because alcohol can be used for more than running a car we can run generators with it general electric great big turbine generator.

33:16 are certified for alcohol fuel and they didn't have to have anything replaced to do that. They, you know, are already able. Locomotives can run on alcohol as the Germans proved. They sold alcoholic locomotives to Egypt that were just fine. Airplanes in Brazil run on alcohol And we, you know as we said the whole German Air Force ran on alcohol in World War II. So there are many things to use it for but you know the most important thing might not even be cars. The most important thing that actually affects half of the world three and a half billion people is cooking because those people that three and a half billion people they cook with wood or kerosene indoors

34:08 And so the huge health toxicity of breathing any kind of smoke, whether it's wood or kerosene is immense. So you're looking at four to five million women a year who die from breathing that smoke just while they're cooking. In fact Hillary Clinton went into one of these huts during her time and She's choking on the smoke in the woman's house and this little hut and she goes to the wall with her fingers i can scrape carbon right off the walls.

34:46 And you know those are the same thing as people's lungs, right? Being covered with all this crud. So she really went on a pretty good rampage about how people should not have to die just because they're cooking so a couple of things got put into place The Global Alliance for Clean Cookstoves at the UN got put together and the The EPA had an indoor air division developed all about trying to end indoor cooking of wood. Now, there's two aspects to this one is the health aspect but the other is the deforestation aspect because it turns out that the great majority not just a little majority of deforestation happens because people simply want to cook their food so

35:40 timber harvest and all that for construction lumber is nothing compared to what we're talking about when it comes to cooking. So, you know we do a demonstration of how clean these stoves are versus using fossil fuel or wood source. On the Gaia Networks one of the real goods company so Gaia they have a network and story show called Beyond Belief with George Norrie who is one your colleagues. George Norrie has a big radio show

36:20 And we do on that television show an example of burning both fuels and you'll see that the pyrex bowl is full of gasoline turns completely black with huge clouds of smoke, can we burn alcohol next to it no carbon in the ball you could almost not even see the flame so clean. And those stoves are available for people to use for cooking around the world. And that stove was also in the TV clip, so basically we have a solution right there for three and half billion people to be able to cook and not die from cooking

37:06 and alcohol you know i'm like wood is actually more convenient seeing these places for people cook with what they end up walking eventually five or six hours, one way to get a hundred pounds of wood bring back to their village and then use that for weeks worth the cooking that's because all the other would be has already been harvested by people for cooking work humans are like termites going out there eating the forest right Show if you make alcohol basically your growing a sugar start she crop right where you live let's say it's like tapioca which is very common route crop. All over the tropics or maybe it's a little sugar cane or maybe its prickly pear cactus whatever grows well in your climate,

37:56 you are fermented which is just like making wine or beer you must have the stuff you heated up and then you start using. The east eat the sugar and they pee out alcohol so when it gets up around twelve thirteen percent alcohol well these key over dead drunk Can i have got wine you've got really weird brown wine let's say from prickly pear cactus so your boy up in a distillery and you can make it, hundred percent alcohol depending on the technology that's what cheese for cooking or in your car whatever so if you're in the village well you grow some of this stuff you make the alcohol.

38:40 And then people use it you can sell it if your business little business or cooperative the whole village uses that so they know when has to end my say no one i mean all one thousand people in the village don't have to forage out there six hours to get their wood. And that means they get to stay home, they get to do what they need to do for farming and everything else instead of this huge time sink just to go out and get cooking wood. It's not dangerous! Can you imagine being a single woman going out to get 100 pounds of wood walking six hours on the road in Africa? This is not safe okay?!

39:19 So basically, this affects half the world and it's more important than our being able to drive our cars on 50 cent a gallon alcohol. This propaganda has definitely been effective and today so much of global politics is about controlling oil are there any countries that still today run on alcohol or have they all kind of fallen in line with this propaganda? Well up until World War II Most countries ran on alcohol because there was no way to deliver oil to them. The international tanker fleet wasn't in existence yet, so if you were somewhere like New Zealand which is like the last stop before Antarctica You weren't getting any oil delivered and places like the Philippines too far from any source of oil that was developed

40:12 So, these places had to use alcohol. So in New Zealand they used sugar beets which were a great source for alcohol and they also used sorghum which makes black strap molasses in the United States. Sorghum looks like corn and little bit like sugar cane and you can squeeze it to get the juice out of make kind of whiskey from it so those countries had to use the things up in the philippines they tapped nipa palm trees so it's kinda like maple sugar tapping you know and i got this huge flow of sugar water out of these trees, fermented into still dad before we were too the philippine for making seventy five million gallons of alcohol a year from palm dripping. So this was done all over the world will work happened

41:05 That's when our tax dollars built the tanker fleet and so then you'll come to deliver all over the world. And pretty much out competed alcohol because of all the subsidies that companies received now brazil up until world war two was completely running on alcohol they had sugar cane to beat the band When away after world war two for a while but when the oil crisis of late seventies, i came into play on like the other countries in latin america which borrowed money to buy all.

41:44 Brazil said none of that they had a within one generations memory of running the country on alcohol so they went right back to it and today ninety five percent of the cars in brazil run on straight alcohol and unlike the other countries in latin america don't have any foreign debt. No we will be late money for something that gets used up almost instantly to latin america we put them in debt forever right got you think someone had a plan about it so anyway brazil didn't in brazil is the powerhouse.

42:26 economy of latin america and you know depending on who you talk to their economy might even be better than ours so. You know i'm people in brazil who grow sugarcane there union is the biggest union in brazil, sugar cane workers and they get a fair shake because all the whole country depends on them not just for sugar but for energy so you know when she started powering farmers What's the energy production in this country they suddenly get a voice because you know what their providing is something people need and that's what we all need.

43:05 Is organization and a voice in how things get done i mean that is the queen idea of democracy that we can have a say on how we get governed you know and the way to get that say it's with economic power so producing energy. That's the way to do it yeah this could clearly replace oils but i mean even in the era of nuclear meltdowns in japan could this, Go far enough to replace nuclear energy absolutely nuclear energy in the us is about twenty percent of our electricity. Is call is the next big one and natural gas and then there's small parts that got you know,

43:49 hydroelectric which is clean but controversial and a little tiny bit of renewable energy. So what are the big numbers we got to replace? Well, it's coal and nuclear primarily so in the United States we have the potential... And you know I think this is good case because we are the energy pigs of the world We use about 1 quarter of all the energy in the world so if you could replace it here you can do it anywhere So the United States, by switching up some of the crops it uses to make alcohol away from corn which is a low yield alcohol crop to ones that yield three or ten times as much as corn things like again sugar beets or sorghum you know things that are more productive per acre. We can replace not only all the nuclear power

44:42 And we can use the nuclear facilities because that turbines at those places work perfectly fine but we could run them on alcohol instead shut down the reactor, we can also replace all the coal wow same thing we could use all their equipment to produce electricity and shutdown the cold boilers you know. We can also replace All the gasoline and diesel that run the vehicles this is because alcohol is made from solar energy which as you might have noticed falls everywhere doesn't just fall in this place or that place you know it's like camp monopolize solar energy. So we can make alcohol with different different crops different plants and waste products everywhere its about his democratic a few days you can get,

45:34 But the quantities we can get because the amount of energy that hits the earth from the sun is truly immense instead of these little dinky monopolized energy supplies like coal and oil. So, the whole world could actually be running on alcohol in as little as ten years Wow and it's a you said the natural process let's talk about that little bit because obviously there's the alcohol drink in is this is the only difference between fuel and alcohol you would drink these strength of it. That's right it's the same stuff although when you make alcohol it's not like your fine pills or beer what you keep in a cave for fifteen days so from slowly has great flavor,

46:23 We ferment this stuff in like one to three days and it's nasty so as we say at the alcohol can be a gas we say drink the best. And then drive arrest so you know i don't recommend using this for beverage even though its legal which would usually stop me from recommending but in this case it tastes horrible and that's often the trace byproducts from the east poop You know the by controlling a lot of conditions and taking longer time to ferment you can make perfectly good sipping whiskey but you know we're not trying to do that so. Alcohol is uh is the very same stuff it's just the byproducts give flavor to different kinds of liquor so when it comes to making alcohol it's pretty straightforward, we take the raw material let say its sugar cane or sorghum

47:18 We squeeze it to get the sugar reduce out and then we usually heated up to sterilize because we don't wanna lose our alcohol to other organisms. And then we feed it to use the same you said make wine or beer actually or even bread that's a nice date this year as i said earlier in the poop out the alcohol breathe out co2 And then we just still it into a few repeated that because i want to go back now what makes the sugar or starts that we for me so alcohol or should say carbohydrates are made from carbon dioxide hydrate which is water so carbohydrates plants produce from carbon dioxide water and sunlight

48:12 Sunlight is the power that glues together the carbon dioxide and water. So, the resulting sugars are what we ferment and what we end up with is liquid solar energy as a fuel Now how does that work? When you burn the alcohol in your car And you explode it to drive yourself down road What goes out of exhaust pipe is exactly what went in Carbon Dioxide and water what drives your car down the road is exploding solar energy that's contained in the fuel so you are literally driving on the sun when you burn alcohol in your car, any carbon dioxide and water that you send out the exhaust pipe exactly. The amount of carbon dioxide water do you need to make next year's alcohol crop

49:04 So you have a cycle going there where you're not putting excess carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, you are recycling it over and over again. If you want to stop climate change, you gotta stop burning fossil fuels. It doesn't matter if we have 1,000 years worth of natural gas We be dead long before that thousand years if we keep burning that stuff so we have to switch to something that doesn't add to the atmosphere and alcohol is one of the few things it does that. Now you know i wrote this book alcohol can be a gas, give activists farmers and entrepreneurs tool toolkit

49:47 to be able to build their own equipment and start their own local cooperatives or businesses, to be able to give people the choice. And that's what it is all about is choice to not use gasoline. I gotta tell you man, the first time you go to an alcohol station there are 2500 in the United States Can you fill your car up with alcohol and specially if you do it at home when you feel like you're out car without call you not only screw the oil companies but also screw the irs cuz there are various states have various tax credits and stuff for using alcohol and you know there is a better day standing up.

50:31 than being able to screw the IRS and oil companies. I agree, two birds with one stone but who knew it was so simple? And uh i guess to give people one example of how they could use this information you have a pretty interesting story about how you went and used this information and partnered with a local donut shop near you to make alcohol right Oh yeah, well see waste products are something we promote heavily in the book. The Alcohol Can Be a Gas Book and we even talk about it on our website with the same name but when I lived in San Francisco when I first started making alcohol not exactly place where you can find a lot of crops so but I figured donuts what are they made of? They're made starch white flour and they're made of sugar lots of sugar

51:22 So I went to a donut shop and here i was nineteen not exactly quite confident that i could do this. And, i went there with my pickup truck and some drums and said well maybe you guys would be okay with me taking your waste donuts away? You know like leave these drums here and fill them up the guy says done! Cost us alot to get rid of all the waste donuts so So i leave the drums there figuring out call me in a week or two you know pick up the donuts and make alcohol on this little warehouse that i had read so. The next morning at six in the morning i get a call they say therefore, down to the donut place i take him away. You spend like several hours that day figure how to make alcohol from go home exhausted go to sleep

52:16 six o'clock the next morning they call up and say there for no down there you gotta understand this one other thing that's in donuts and thats fat right cuz their deep fried so what i discovered that first day making the alcohol is that. All the donut liquified when i added my enzymes in my various potions and it dissolved but the fat floated on top of a foot thick You know i'm talking about my fermentation tank so i had to figure out what to do with it so i looked at my compost pile said okay that's where it goes and i have a nice big compost pile going so i sprayed all the grease over the compost pile mixed in. And of course compost power i mean it just started really getting hot really really going fast was great food for microbes,

53:11 So the second day i go there and get all this stuff and i have a whole bunch of fat left over my put it in the compost pile but i'm thinking maybe i need bigger compost pile. The third day i get there, can i have all this fat and the compost piles looking back up at me and says no you don't you don't put that stuff on me i got what am i gonna do with all this fat you know and thought about it and thought about it and you know what i do in life is show people. Permaculture which is permanent agriculture permaculture part of our concept is to look for surpluses,

53:49 that are not being used and find a use for them so i look at the surplus fat and i go gosh what am i gonna do with this let's see fat fat fat hundred eighty thousand btus per gallon is a lot of energy When i look at my still burning wood for the heat i got it now so i put a fifty five gallon drum next to still, i want to down into the firebox and threw all of that in the drum and drip did under the firewood and treated the fire would like a week in the bottom of my distillery and he did my whole process

54:29 With the fact that came off the donut so here was a feedstock for making alcohol that came with its own energy supply to distill itself. So i made up offer ten cents gallon from donuts and i can do the same thing today is, hey thats an awesome story there's probably endless possibilities similar to that story that people could start you doing to get creative in doing themselves right What are the stories in my book alcohol can be a guest and they're not all my stories cuz i taught over eight thousand students how to make alcohol over a period of years, and of course they don't write me with their successes so lot of the sidebars next to text little story is there our stores have me me and my students doing all these creative things. Can our communities to make alcohol that's awesome

55:20 So let's talk a little more about using alcohol as fuel for our cars. There are lots of myths out there perpetuated by the big oil industry that have everyone confused on the issue, give us the facts on cars today could we just walk out and pour alcohol in our tanks without damaging the car? The answer is partially yes you got to remember that cars first ran on alcohol so gasoline is the afterthought right And so from every basic point of view, alcohol works great in a car. But you know car materials have changed somewhat since the early part of the century. So basically what it comes down to is your cars now run by a computer instead of a carburetor

56:14 For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, before 1980 most cars had an air fuel mixing device called a carburetor. So air rushed through it, fuel was sprayed into it basically and mixed on its way to the engine. Now today we have fuel injection which puts a squirt of fuel in front of every cylinder I am very specific timing and talk to try by computer in the reason why is to get things perfect so it has low emissions and its great sister but what we do. Is look at that computer say how smart is it how much can you just hear feel mixture will turns out there virtually every car, can run fifty percent alcohol without a single change to the engine wow

57:08 So i wanna just want to make that clear you can get rid of half of your oil swill with alcohol. Without changing anything in your engine so now why is that significant if u look at where we get all nowadays thirty percent only thirty percent of our oil comes from the middle east so that means if we just switch to thirty percent alcohol We wouldn't have to change anything about all the cars in the united states and we would eliminate the need for many stories and therefore having troops there bases their any of that stuff which is hundreds of billions dollars a year.

57:52 Out of our tax dollars so you can leave the middle east alone right and what have all the fuel we need. And never worry about a cut off from those guys and not participate in their darn religious wars. Let them settle it out themselves man and work out so great for almost everyone just except for the few people who hold the reins to actually make the change happen. Well military contractors with cry bloody murder cuz they're making you know gazillions of dollars off the so called war and terrorism middle east,

58:29 Man, this is such great information because I've seen ethanol at the pump. I think E15 and i've just been afraid to use it! I thought I'd need something special and...I just got spooked out Well you're spooked out because in the background, in the back of your unconscious you've heard thousands of media hits about how alcohol is bad for your car. It's invisible and you can't point to why you feel that way or an article or whatever it's a saturation of the media every day there's a negative alcohol story out there they are all fabricated by The American Petroleum Institute

59:08 So, you know it's like the Wizard of Oz. Don't look at the man behind the curtain! If you looked there you'd see alcohol right? And alcohol would be dangerous because it would change the balance of power in the United States so basically alcohol is not harmful to any material in a car since 1983 Now my buddy Tom Harvey and I, we went into the Ford Motor plant in the Rouge Plant in Detroit. And we went through that factory with the permission to film the assembly line

59:49 You know assembly so to speak of the fuel system so we were there to see what different parts are used for alcohol. Tolerant trucks the flex field truck second run on both alcohol or gas or gasoline alone so, we go down the assembly line started starting at the gas tank which oil company say oh i'll eat plastic of your gas tank and be holes in it you know Can we talk to the forklift driver is loading these these gas tanks right onto the chassis of the trucks and we ask which one is a special alcohol resistant gas tank. Any looks at us and says that stack is for the one fifty's that status for two fifty's and that's for three fifty so we go where's the alcohol he goes,

1:00:41 They aren't in there. There's no such thing, okay? And by the way all this information we gave to the producers of the movie Pump and all this has been repeated in the movies so it's going out to more people But at any rate, we went on to the next thing. We went onto the fuel pump that they drop into the tank and said well there's three bins here it says 150, 250 350 where is the bin for the flex fuel pumps because the oil companies say it'll destroy your fuel pump. I says these are the three bins this is all we put in

1:01:17 You know and we went to the whole fuel system this way we get to that the few lines that go on the frame up to you know what to do in jackson the engine and, no i said will your company say those feelings have to be stainless steel or alcohol eat them up. And the guy says this is my old stealing this is all the few lines were using including the flex field vehicles so we get to the end Can we ask shift supervisor who was you know escorting is to the plant we said so what is the difference between a truck that can run on both alcohol and gas someone that can only running gas software.

1:01:57 We just have a little different software in the chip that gives us a wider range of air fuel mixtures than the normal chip does. And it costs us about 20, 30 bucks in development cost per chip to do that so the difference between a vehicle that will run on 100% alcohol and gasoline or just gasoline is just a few dollars on the assembly line So its really funny though Tom i pack up and we say thank you thank you when we get out of there cuz we suspected somebody would figure out that maybe, we shouldn't be filming this you know and driving down the road as we leave in. You know they call tom shift supervisor says g do you think you can bring that tape back im not sure i was supposed to say all those things tom said oh no of course not you know where not bringing it back and you don't have to worry he didn't say anything

1:02:55 Two damaging so anyway we got that tape when i edit that one together and put that out about you know all the stuff they say about how your car is destroyed by alcohol is a complete and total lie. And it just doesn't happen now what's the real truth propaganda way propaganda words is not only is it untrue but usually the opposite is true, And so we end up with a situation where you've got mechanics and press saying alcohol will wreck your car.

1:03:33 But the opposite is true, alcohol burns clean as we mentioned earlier. It's actually so pollution free it doesn't even show up on most pollution test equipment and that means there is no carbon in your engine. Your oil never turns black! It burns cooler than gasoline these things all add up to tripling engine life So not only is it not true that alcohol wrecks your car, the real truth is it triples engine life. Gosh do you think there might be someone who's upset about that? Right! So you know the propaganda runs thick around alcohol

1:04:12 Yeah and in the consumer culture and capitalism planned obsolescence is definitely a pillar of how, allow these big companies work and that is making sure that products are gonna break down you know what's your than they need to use that you have to go out get that new product and this falls right line with that they breakdown one month after your warranties expired. Right now actually you know it in defense of the car company so i have to say that planned obsolescence which was a a strategy in the seventies to make cars break down after two or three years so you buy new one that's pretty gone people. People have caught on to that one and now what do you see you see people looking at consumer reports to see how much repair you need over the time you run the car so when i look at american cars especially ford,

1:05:04 We're looking at very, very well engineered cars. Now there's an exciting development which is Cummins. Now Cummins is generally credited with being a diesel engine manufacturer but since alcohol is 105 octane compared to gasoline being 87 That means you can squeeze the alcohol mixture much more before you fire it than you can gasoline. If you do it to gasoline in a diesel type engine, the gasoline just explodes from being squeezed too much because it has such low octane rating. So Cummins has gone out there and taken their heavy duty diesel engines

1:05:52 and develop an alcohol only engine that makes use of that extra strength engine, and they're getting better mileage more power. And it's being done at half the size of the normal diesel engine so a 2.9 liter engine is having the same horsepower or more as a 6.2 liter diesel engine so the alcohol engine is smaller, lighter uses less materials gets better mileage And more power and virtually no pollution so g so coming just making them right now for. Delivery trucks not kind of thing about to start selling but they intend to extend the line upwards and downwards to full size diesel truck switch with then be alcohol trucks,

1:06:45 And all the way down to cars because you know comes is the biggest diesel engine manufacturer in the world and they have now taken this suggestion from people like myself another engineers. Can make dedicated alcohol engines and those engines will last a million or two million miles rather than hundred thousand miles Man, another thing that you're doing... You might have already done it is opening an education facility in California. Is that still going on? Can you tell us about that? Oh yeah! We bought a great piece of property near Santa Cruz Our distillery is almost done and we'll have classes there In the future on how to make alcohol fuel

1:07:32 We also have five acres of greenhouses, so we'll be able to show different energy crops from around the world like in arid areas it will be mesquite and buffalo gourd and prickly pear cactus. And then in marshy areas we'll show cattails to alcohol. You know, so all this will be going on at our bloom distillation site in Watsonville and there will be tours and there will be workshops on how to make alcohol with 60,000 gallon per year sized equipment

1:08:08 right there on the campus and we'll have a lot of other events too. We have a big performance space we built there, and will be able to bring in important lecturers And you can find all about this at either one of our two websites One is Alcohol Can Be A Gas That's the name of the book and website Alcohol Can Be A Gas And then we have a new website that has to do with our distillery manufacturing company where we're building stills for around the world, for everything from coffee berry pulp to bananas to cactus to agave from tequila areas. In other words these places all have waste that were going to be building distilleries to process and that's bloom distillation

1:09:01 So you know they work because i put my name on it and you know exactly where to chase me if it doesn't work. So uh so you can find that at bloomdistillation.com Very cool, and do you let me kind of a weird question but I am a conspiracy guy Do you ever worry about your safety talking about this stuff? It can be pretty dangerous to mess with the profits of these shady industries Have you seen anybody get hurt or had any problems yourself You know I was in New Zealand once and this big Maori guy in the back of the room, you know I was talking about alcohol in New Zealand. And they have kind of a Caribbean accent there so he gets up an says

1:09:39 I don't get why you haven't been killed yet. And so, I said to the crowd well if anybody sees a red dot form on my forehead will you please let me know? But in reality Greg because I have my book Alcohol Can Be A Gas Out There You know if they kill me can you imagine what that would do to my book sales right validates it. Well i in other words you know so many more people would be reading about but up there if they were gonna kill me they should have done before i wrote the books and now i feel pretty protected right well as a good answer so,

1:10:17 Man, I just had no idea how important this stuff was or how easy it was. Before hearing you, I was just a total victim of the manipulation in this area and I'm so glad that you came here to clarify the subject. Two weeks ago it seemed so confusing now it seems so simple but before we really called in would you like to give people little extra info about anything your doing? The website or maybe where they can catch this new movie coming out? Well the premiere is happening this weekend in the evening, Friday and Saturday night. So feel free to come to that. And that's in Santa Monica at the Civic Center at the Lomle Royale Theater and you

1:10:59 You know in saturday we're having a performance at three o'clock at the old car expo which is also in santa monica so you know we hope to see you out there because if you think this stuff that were talking about his exciting wait to see us in real life battling it out with electric car guys are also shooting over the center for those of you who ever not part of the country. Friday the twenty six we're gonna be doing a premiere for that i'm from the same movie pump so you should go to their website. And we're also going to be in Washington DC on the 10th of October doing the same thing. So, we are out there making a lot of noise about this movie because it totally indicts the oil companies for conspiracy. Right on! Well David this has been a real pleasure you know they say knowledge is power and you just gave us The Oil Industry's Kryptonite Man so thanks again thanks for all your doing you're a real champion of the people so take care yourself out there will do I'm gonna have a good one You too

1:12:04 There we have it folks, an interesting examination into a huge sector of manipulation and I hope we all escaped with a clear understanding on how this stuff really works. And I hope that we're all starting to make some strides towards denting the Rockefeller and Bush family pocketbooks and providing these dicks with less capital in which to reinvest in more manipulative media And maybe we've come up with some new business ideas. How cool would that be? Start making your own alcohol and educating your friends and family, this could really be something! I'm all jazzed about it. If you liked the show but only heard the free version, get that second hour at thehiresideschatsplus.com It's only 5 bucks a month less than you tip your bartender or pizza man

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