Daniel Roytas | The Vitamin Deficiency Deception, Food Synergy, & Can You Catch A Cold?

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02:59 It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood, people. From the Sunshine State I'm Greg Carlwood and in the wake of COVID so many people have started to look at the big pharma apparatus and their talking heads parodying that trust the science slogan with a lot more skepticism than they would have beforehand it shook the foundations of faith that many had in the white lab coat cult that they likely took for granted for most of their lives but the medical machines time in the spotlight as the spearhead from one of the biggest nefarious operations of our lifetime Broke that trust and faith to such a degree that many people have been questioning if the entire paradigm of germ theory, contagiousness and viruses has been a scam from the start. And really in a world so full of pesticides genetic tinkering processed foods toxic building materials and unclean air and water who can be confident about anything regarding a specific source for suboptimal health?

03:52 Well this is what happened to today's guest Daniel Reutas who has a masters degree in human nutrition and worked for over a decade as a lecturer and senior lecturer at various educational institutions across Australia. During this time he taught nutritional and naturopathic medicine to thousands of college and university undergraduate students while working in his own clinical practice as well In twenty twenty daniel launch humanly with the intention of delivering high quality online professional development courses targeted towards practitioners with an interest in natural medicine despite feeling that something was desperately wrong in the field of health and wellness. You can never quite put his finger on what it was but after interviewing various doctors and scientists on the humanly podcast is suspicions were confirmed

04:37 As Daniel's consciousness shifted, he was confronted with the harsh reality that everything he thought he knew about the human body—medicine, nutrition and naturopathy—was wrong. Over the last four years, Daniel has come to a completely newfound understanding about health and wellness which he now shares with like-minded people from across the world This research rabbit hole went deep and resulted in his wildly popular book, Can You Catch a Cold? Untold History in Human Experiments that dismantles contagion theory and lays out the best suppressed alternatives to what might be causing these seasonal afflictions. And why they appear to spread from person-to-person by delving into the historical records investigating past pandemics exploring human psychology and reviewing more than 200 contagion studies

05:20 I've learned a lot of unexpected things from his work and i'm psyched to be paying it forward. The cold and flu critic, lost research resurrector and vitamin deception detective Dan the Man Reutis welcome to the higher side. Oh thanks so much Greg what a wonderful introduction! I'm thrilled to be able to speak with you this evening thank you so much for having me To kind thanks for doing this i've actually read about maybe four or five different books about germ theory verse terrain theory at this point and the whole prospect of contagion in viruses. Add a lot of these books walk the reader through the big pandemics have the past smallpox spanish flu add a lot of diseases we back to make for actually,

06:04 But i love that your book focuses on cold and flu because i think that's where the spell is hardest to break cuz thats what we experience. Most often and it seems to conform with what were told and we will get into that but i find them most unique aspect of your work lately the stuff that made the biggest impact on me has been hearing you talk about vitamins and what do we do when we feel a cold coming on we reach for that vitamin supplementation And I think a lot of people consider vitamin supplements to be an alternative to big pharma, but it seems like it's really just another revenue stream for them. Right? Yeah, I think you could put it that way. I spent many years actually working at a pharmaceutical company who made drugs and who also made many of the vitamins that are on shelves in Australasia

06:59 And people don't realize that, that these vitamins that we think are natural substances coming from food are actually synthesized in a lab put into a pill put into a bottle and then marketed as a natural alternative to a drug. But they're coming from the same people who make the drugs. People look for an alternative. They want the alternative because they're often disillusioned and they're not happy with medications for a number of reasons, but they don't realize that the alternative is offered by the same people who are manufacturing the drugs that they don't want to take. And it's a hard thing for people to understand that these substances they believe are coming from foods, that you're actually extracting a vitamin substance from food. These substances have never seen a food in their entire existence

08:01 There are nothing more than a concoction of chemical substances in the laboratory. This is a huge topic, there is so much to this that I'm not really sure where you want to start but maybe we can start with the premise of vitamin deficiencies Yeah i mean that's a good way to go i just wanted to point out that i heard the previous interview. That when you work for this pharmaceutical company they had told you that their vitamin division would be bigger than their pharmaceutical division around twenty twenty and that was odd cuz i'm like huh,

08:44 Seems like there might be a crisis of faith around twenty twenty that you're preparing for i don't know who's in the meetings and all this but it was just curious thing that stuck out to me, add yes people have this idea that. you take an orange you take a syringe pull out the vitamin c put in a pill and it's basically the same thing. And it's drastically different than that but you have said that about six manufacturers make all this synthetic vitamins we know and they sell them to the varying brands so its like hey here is a giant

09:20 tub of vitamin c powder and they're the manufacturers of this stuff so the vitamin companies all have different labels and. They appear different but their substances inside ingredients come from, the same labs in that's kinda common we can go into any grocery store and look around and see a thousand brands owned by handful of companies media same thing they got all these little branches but it all comes back to the same tree They just like to appear to look different and this field is no exception. So yeah, talk to us about the idea of vitamin deficiency clearly we start to get a cold We feel it coming on. We're like oh man! We gotta armor up that immune system It's all that military terminology of armoring and getting attacked and contagion But yes Do you consider the premise of vitamin deficiency to be flawed as well?

10:17 I do and i spent a decade teaching this at colleges and universities in Australia all about vitamin deficiency diseases, insufficiencies and how to go about correcting them with various different vitamin supplements. And I always took what I read in the textbooks face value I never once looked at the reference at the end of a paragraph that said scurvy is caused by deficiency in vitamin C, or beriberi is caused by deficiency in vitamin B1. Or pellagra is caused by vitamin deficiency of B3. I never went to the reference and looked at how they actually established that. And it was only in 2020 that I did go and start looking

11:11 And what I realized was that maybe there are no such things as vitamin deficiencies. Maybe these have been confused as toxicities, so it's very different to a deficiency now it's kind of like the antithesis So I think so much of what we see these days the opposite is true! Here we have this idea that these diseases are caused by something you're not getting but actually they might be caused by something that you are being exposed to. Now, it's much easier to tinker with the food supply and provide people with processed and refined food

11:57 And when they get ill, say that's because of something that you're not getting. That's because of something that's not in the food and people go oh, that's cool! What is it I'm not getting? Oh well we just happened to make it so here it is. Here's this thing that you need and people take it, they feel better and that's it but it's much harder...I think it'd be much harder to sell this idea to people If they were told that it is actually something in the food, in the processed and refined food that's making them ill. So it's actually something that you're being exposed to if people knew that I don't think they'd be so happy with eating processed and refined foods. So I don't like to sort of get into the motives about why things have been done maybe this is a misunderstanding

12:52 But if you look back throughout history when the idea of vitamin deficiencies was first put forward, some of the original scientists who discovered these so-called cures for vitamin deficiency diseases didn't think they were vitamin deficiencies at all. They thought they were toxicity diseases but their ideas were essentially poo-pooed and it was like yeah, you guys don't know what you're talking about this is a deficiency disease And there's actually a lot of evidence out there that even people like myself weren't aware about, that demonstrates I think pretty conclusively that these conditions aren't deficiency diseases. They are toxicity diseases and yeah i'm happy to talk about why I think that and what the evidence shows. Yeah! And I think you make a great point

13:48 Is a psychological flip to say oh well you know the process food maybe doesn't contain as many vitamins so you know you take the vitamin c supplement on the iron and then your good. And i'm guilty of it too like, Boney man a meal you know doing the fast food thing and then thinking i'll just get the vitamins i missed from supplementation in one way or another weather to cold press juice instead of a soda with the burger fries are something. And when you have young kids sometimes it just got up, you don't put yourself first as much as you might have before hand let me just say that so

14:27 Let's look at say the classic example the vitamin c example everybody knows vitamin c and then of course, the scurvy story this is where in a common culture i think we get the idea of a vitamin deficiency. These sailors weren't eating enough vitamins they were needing enough fruit and thus they weren't getting their vitamin c and that's there are getting scurvy But that story even is a little different, apparently. Than it's commonly understood. Yeah the gentleman who has claimed to have discovered the cure for scurvy... he was a Scottish doctor in the navy in the United Kingdom back in the 1700s

15:12 He realized that when he gave sailors fresh lemons and limes, their scurvy went away. People say that the experiments that he did proved that it was a vitamin C deficiency but even James Lind in his work said that he didn't think the fruits and vegetables were providing a substance that the sailors were deficient in which cured them. He thought that the fruits and vegetables that he was giving to sailors is actually protecting them against the damp conditions they were living in, he thought dampness was a cause of scurvy not vitamin deficiency and that it true their symptoms did go away when they ate fresh lemons or limes but here's the crux of the issue

16:00 When you eat a whole food, there is everything in that whole food. There's probably hundreds if not thousands of different chemicals and enzymes and minerals and different things that when you consume that it has everything the body needs for it to be metabolized absorbed utilized and excreted completely by the body But if you start meddling with that food, you start processing it and refining it and stripping things out of that food so it's now no longer complete. The body can't process it properly

16:38 So you actually get a buildup of metabolic waste products, essentially. When you are uploading or downloading something to your computer and you've got that completion bar and it's like 97% and then it stops and then just never moves and you gotta uninstall and do it all again? I think that's what might be happening with processed food So you take something out of a whole food, now it's not a whole food anymore. You eat it your body gets to 97% completion of processing it but it can't process any more because it's not a whole food. It doesn't have everything in there for the body to metabolize it so at that 97 percent completion rate you now get a buildup of whatever that substance is in the body. There's a blockage there and it's that buildup or whatever that metabolic

17:29 intermediate is, that intermediate metabolite is which manifests as a toxicity disease. So then when you go and eat the lemon or the lime it provides the body with what it needs so it can metabolize out those intermediate metabolites in your condition goes away and we think ah well that was ... It was a deficiency disease that was causing the problem but it was actually toxicity disease I mean, there is considerable research to show that this is the case. In the 1940's in World War II, the Japanese were being plagued by this condition called beriberi where people were basically starving and they only had access to white rice to eat so they're just eating this diet of white processed rice

18:24 They were developing beriberi and there was a lot of infantile beriberi going on. So mothers were eating white rice predominantly as their staple food, they were breastfeeding their children and the children were getting sick. They were failing to thrive or getting diarrhea and muscle wasting and problems with their nervous system. And the doctors and even the mothers thought, well there's something wrong with my milk. My milk is toxic to my child. And one of the reasons why they thought that was because when they took the child off the breastmilk their infantile beriberi which is claimed to be a vitamin B1 deficiency went away. Now when you take a child off food and you no longer now provide them with any nutrition

19:15 Well, if it was a deficiency disease their problem should stay the same or get worse. But actually it got better so when you take the food away, the breast milk which might have a toxin in it would make sense that when the child stops drinking they get better and doctors at the time, the pediatricians across the country were fairly convinced of this and what they started to do was to take children off breast milk from mothers with vitamin B1 deficiency or beriberi and then provide them with a different food that was also deficient in that same vitamin. So what they did was they took them off breast milk and then gave them like sweetened condensed milk, which is deficient in B1. Guess what happened? Their beriberi went away! That's impossible if it was a true vitamin deficiency disease

20:14 And with that research, the doctors essentially concluded that beriberi, infantile beriberi was a toxicity disease and not a deficiency disease. Now this is also true of things like scurvy and pellagra but I think that beriberi example's quite telling It is it is and going back to the loading screen thing you're talking about we do get a little bit of a sense. Of that with the term bio availability like there's a lot of vitamins in the health food store where it's like well these vitamins are better than what you get at walmart and walgreens have better bioavailability, so they're already as like a little bit of acknowledgement that these powdered and pill forms of one thing that's in a fruit

21:00 are not exactly doing the same thing but talk to us about the food matrix and food synergy i've heard you talk about this saying the whole food is greater than the sum of its parts you isolate all the parts in even isolated and taken in four five different pills let's say hypothetically it still doesn't have the same kind of magical quality that, the natural whole food has n. And we're not talking about germ theory directly, but it is the same logic. It is this mechanistic industrialized let's break everything down

21:37 to individual little parts and isolate this in that i mean this is how the whole machine works the germ theory let's find the one germ it's causing a problem and let's find the one chemical solution to kill that one germ, not of its holistic thinking none of its natural pathic thinking and being a nutritionist by trade This food matrix stuff, I mean this is really important for people to understand. Tell us about this! The food matrix and the food synergy is... When I was doing my postgraduate qualifications our lecturers were talking about this concept to us and I'd also learned this in my undergraduate degree

22:16 and they essentially said that it's so complicated we will never understand it. No one will ever be able to make sense of food synergy or the food matrix now, essentially what the food matrix is...is the activity that a food has inside your body when consumed and that activity is not something you can achieve by giving the body Each of the component parts of that food by itself so when you give the whole food you get additional effects. You don't see with this single components it's crazy i mean the math isn't adding up there you know it's like clearly there is an extra factor and i've heard rudolf steiner talk about this saying that there's a spiritual quality to the food we eat thats gotta be something hard to measure and make

23:15 less loaded with the term spiritual you can just say life energy that's the tree is absorbing sunlight even say light energy that has helped me before with. Live foods vs dead foods don't eat crackers from a box that's a dead food what you wanna eat is things are storing light energy, you can say it light energy life energy spiritual energy whatever but But that seems to be that extra factor that dissipates when you try to break it all down into just vitamins and nutrients. That's right, the eclectic doctors at turn of the 20th century so 1900 they called it life force. So they were on the same wavelength are on the same page we look at those guys back 100 whatever years ago anything that was stupid

24:11 But actually, they had accumulated knowledge over hundreds and thousands of years if we believe in the history that we're told. And again I question all that but they had accumulated knowledge to that point in time and got to the understanding that what is in food they have no idea. They call it life force. People will look at that and go well they're stupid because they didn't know how to isolate certain things from foods and blah blah blah I don't think we can isolate anything from a food. So, think about it this way if you want to bake a cake you've got to put in flour eggs milk sugar whatever right and you mix it all up in a bowl and you put it in a baking tin and you chuck it in the oven on 180 degree heat for an hour If you took that cake out after its been baked and someone gave it to you and said alright Greg now I want you to just isolate out the egg Just the egg

25:14 You just isolate and you show me the egg in its original form, or I want you to show me just the milk in it's original form. Or I wanted you to show me just the sugar in the original form." You couldn't do it? No! Can't unbake the cake?! You can't unbake the cake. So why do we think that when we have a food like a lemon or lime or something thats grown on tree which is essentially like the trees baked the cake, the trees created the lemon Then you come along and you go, right now we're going to start tinkering with it and start adding stuff. We're going to add chemicals to the lime juice and we're going to precipitate it so we can heat up and cool down and dehydrate it and add things in. And we're going to get a substance that when given to an individual causes an effect and then we call that vitamin C or we call it glucose or we call it a flavonoid

26:09 or whatever the substance might be. How do we know that that substance was ever in the food? You don't know because you can't, as you said, unbake the cake and what you also must do for any of this stuff to be scientific is to have a reference standard or a reference point so you have to know what the thing is that you're looking for first in order to be able to isolate something from an orange, to go right. This is the thing that we were looking for." When you don't have that and you start adding stuff in ... If you think about how they isolated vitamin C for example, one of the first things they did was they took some orange juice and the first thing they did was add lead acetate or something to it. They started adding acetone and they boil it and do all these things

27:06 That very first step when you add lead acetate or whatever the first step was, you have to control for that. What that means is you have to demonstrate that by adding in that thing it didn't change the original substance that you had and it didn't create the substance that you're looking for and that you cannot control for that. It's impossible to do it I think it's kind of like a built-in failsafe mechanism by the universe, because you're never going to find out our secrets. It's just not for humans to know and we don't need to know. If we're living in harmony with nature there is no need for us to know this stuff but as soon as you start tinkering with the food supply well then you've got to try and look into the food and go right what is it that's causing the problem?

27:53 Exactly and with processed foods we have the nutrition facts and they might tell us other some iron some vitamin this or that in there but a lot of times they destroy the vitamin integrity. Whatever the vitamins is destroyed the food's integrity let's just say, and then they try to put it back in with the synthetic forms that they think they've Derived from this process of breaking everything down but yeah just hearing you talk about vitamin c when they were first trying to figure this out there adding heavy metals for melda hide, they're trying to do these things too isolate.

28:33 The vitamin c i mean it's very similar to what i hear about vaccine science and trying to isolate a specific germ, it's a lot of adding things in your head you think well they found a way to break down its components like get its genome or something. And That's it but no there adding a lot of toxic substances killing off parts of it what lives here let's give the heavy metal concoction of from aldehyde and this one part of that to them all they got better well that must be at work gonna call that vitamin c, and we're moving on and i guess i was curious when it comes to.

29:09 Things like zinc or iron or magnesium is that the same story because at least those things i don't know they feel a little bit different there on the periodic table they are. Substances that you can get other places but vitamin a vitamin c k to these things i could definitely see that being just made up because, i dont really another source for it other than them saying it comes from the food kingdom, but what do you think about iron zinc and magnesium? These are things that when we start to feel sick we're told to take another possible deficiency not exactly vitamins but is there any difference there at all in your mind. Well you can find those minerals in nature so they exist you can go and find a rock of like calcium carbonate or you can find a rock of iron ore you can find a rock of magnesium right it's there

30:05 So you have a reference standard, go here's the magnesium. We know what it is. We've got our starting point and then we can go to food and then we can see is this same thing in the food? I think it's a bit different when it comes to minerals. There's no tree that you can walk up to where there's just like pure vitamin C like a leaf of pure vitamin C or fruit of just pure vitamin C doesn't exist. Another way to think about this ... Yes, you can take But again, I don't think you can take them in isolation. Mother Nature was designed in such a way that the only way you can nourish the body

30:44 is with food. You cannot supplement your way out of a whole food deficiency, it's impossible. You need everything in the food for it to work inside you. You can't just take out the magnesium and give it because this comes back to food synergy. If you think about a watch and you open up the back of that watch, you see like 50 cogs in the watch if it's really nice watch Now, what biochemists do is they look at a food and say what is the substance in there that's doing the heavy lifting? What is the substance in there doing the work? Oh it's the vitamin C. Oh it's the magnesium. So that's what they say. We say from like a naturopathic perspective that it's the whole food. It's all of the substances working together so it's like them opening up the back of a watch and going which cog is doing all the work

31:39 It's not any of one of the cogs, it's all of them working together. You can't take one cog out and expect the watch to work and you can't take that one cog out and put it in the back of a watch with no cogs and expect it to show time. You need all the cogs working together in the right ratios for that watch to keep perfect time. That is the same with food, you have to eat the whole food because everything is in there that when you eat it keeps all the cogs turning your body if you only go and give magnesium

32:16 There might be a hundred cogs that need to turn inside your body and you give magnesium and it turns the first cog. But what's going to turn the other 999 or 99 cogs? All of that is in the food, and bad is why you have to eat food. If you just take the mineral, you can start to cause imbalances. Now every food that you eat all of the minerals are in there in the perfect ratios and the perfect balances so that there are no imbalances that are caused in your body But once you start going in and dosing high doses of isolated minerals, which are often also synthetic. Like the mineral itself is derived from the earth but then they have to bind it to something which is synthesized for it to be absorbed by the body. And when you do this, you can throw the fine balance out of whack and then you're chasing your tail forever trying to re-correct

33:06 a man-made imbalance caused by supplementation. So what I'm saying, I don't think it's profound all iIm really saying is eat real food! It was designed for us. It is the only thing that is compatible with the human body and things in pills will never be able to replace it Even if you feel better when you take it. And that's where, as you've said before, vitamins are really just working like drugs meaning basically masking symptoms or not addressing what needs to be addressed by giving someone the whole food and you've thrown out examples like willow bark aspirin is derived from willow bark they extract aspirin from it

33:51 And they give it to you and a drug and its for pain relief but when you isolate that substance u get other effects side effects. Not good effects that you would want but those affects don't come if you eat the whole willow bark so there that's just more evidence to what your saying and you've talked about with the scurvy thing. You found papers where they were curing scurvy with non vitamin C substances like potash, again it's like well if you're gonna tell me this one thing why is this other than working kinda like the breast milk deficiency example and

34:27 I want to get a little bit more into vitamin D because this is the one that has felt the most off to me. The idea that you could take sunlight and isolate vitamin d as the good thing, and then give it in a powder form and say it's the same until people to supplement through the winter months? This is even more insane! At least a fruit you can hold in your hand and try to break down, But again, you know get rid of that visual that they're taking something out of a fruit. They're actually synthesizing something whole cloth in a lab that is adjacent to so they say the thing in the fruit So we are few more steps removed from that visual of like taking something from an actual

35:15 fruit. But let's get into the light thing, vitamin D they say it's one of the most important things obviously this came up during COVID people with high vitamin d levels didn't get as sick well break this down for us because this kind of is in a unique category yeah there's just another thing I wanted to mention as well which i think is important just before we get into the vitamin d if you don't mind don't mind so something that you just alluded to was that they're not extracting a vitamin from the food. So when you get a supplement from a store and it says Vitamin C, that Vitamin C they're not taking 100 kilos of oranges and they're taking out the Vitamin C and putting it into a tablet what they are doing is they are taking dextrose usually from genetically modified corn or just like corn And then their adding things to that corn like heavy metals and formaldehyde and acetone various other things They getting a substance

36:13 that when they give to people with scurvy, their symptoms go away and they say well that's vitamin C. That's the same thing as what's in an orange when someone eats an orange and their scurvy goes away? Well this substance we've created in the lab is the same thing so yeah it's not a natural thing you're getting in these products. And some people might also say well what about a whole food supplement My whole food supplement says it's derived from acerola cherry or whatever it is. Literally what I'm holding in my hand right now, Is that exact thing? And I was going to ask you about...I don't like to make it about me and little personal examples but acerola cherry literally I was trying to get the best vitamin when I felt the cold coming on and I got this that says its whole food camu-camu and acerola tell me why I fucked up

37:02 Well, you see some of the marketing for these things and they say we take 40 pounds of oranges or acerola cherry or whatever. And then we dry it out, remove all the moisture and we grind it up and we are left with one pound of stuff. So where did the other 39 pounds of stuff go? You've got one pound but you've got 2.5% of your starting material whereas the other 97.5% of stuff how is that whole? So, it's very clever and people go well no it's definitely a whole food. No its not! There is not an acerola cherry you couldn't fit an acerola cherry in one of those capsules right? It's impossible so where was all that other stuff going why is any of that other stuff in the other 39 pounds any less important than the stuff left over in that 1 pound this comes back to synergy like they're now saying no no no no no it's just one of the cogs in the back of the watch that's important

38:07 So we're going to take and discard 39 pounds, we're going to discard the other 39 cogs and we're just gonna keep one. At the end of the day you can summarize this into just eat real food. Yeah all right there's no free lunch there is no shortcut Of course what i wanna know is then what do you do cuz i bought this basically out of desperation i felt a cold coming on i felt the scratchy throat. I was like look with these two kids i can't be sick my work schedules really heavy right now some taking some weeks off i can't miss an interview i cant get sick and so in desperation,

38:47 I went to go get the highest quality what appeared to be the highest quality supplement as i'm also eating real oranges and this and that trying to eat real better foods but we do these things because we just so don't wanna get sick we can afford a week off of our hamster wheel lifestyle. So, We'll get to the vitamin D thing, but since we're talking about this. What do you do when you wake up and you feel that scratchy throat and your sinuses are not good? And you're just like shit I know that if i don't do something immediately I'm gonna have a really bad five to seven days maybe there's nothing you can do maybe it's a detox process you must go through I'm unsure but

39:31 When we're in that state and you tell me, well this is just masking your symptoms. I'm more than happy to have my symptoms masked in that exact moment! So what do you do when you feel a cold coming on? To try to make it better? I let it run its course. Didn't want to hear that... Well, I think our relationship and our understanding about disease has warped so we look at disease as a bad thing And disease must be something that we conquer at all costs because disease is bad and it makes people feel ill, and it reduces your quality of life etc. But what is disease? You have to ask yourself what is it that we're trying to conquer? So if you go and try and find a definition for what disease is in a medical textbook doesn't exist there is no consensus in medicine

40:29 about what disease is. If you go to the World Health Organization and try to find a definition, they don't have one. So how can you try to conquer something that you don't know what the thing is in the first place? And when you think about what disease is, what it truly is, when you understand that, it will make sense about my statement that I let the cold run its course Sometimes, if you go somewhere and you don't want to have all these symptoms like maybe you have to do something. Maybe you gotta take this synthetic vitamin C to press those symptoms down and get through that event that you had to do when you wanted to feel well but I think that's what happening. And you could still say anywhere where you can buy this bottle of Vitamin C you can probably buy it orange? Yeah

41:20 Same mindset of like oh i need to fill my body with the good things but just get the whole food at least I mean that's gonna be a step better than what you were doing previously and you're not putting money back in big farmers pocket. Gotta start the beast well, you know talking about starving the base that is one way that you can help cold is to sweat it out stay right up in bed and help the body do what its trying to so what is the body trying to do I think it's really important to talk about what disease actually is or what I think it might be. And, it's not just me saying this, this is how the field of medicine understood disease 120 something years ago, 150 years ago and it's in the medical textbooks back then, it's in the medical journals back then being discussed. So when you get a splinter in your finger, what happens?

42:24 starts to get inflamed and hurt. Yep, so why do you get the inflammation? And the pus and the swelling in the redness what is all that about is that a disease no it's trying to expel the splinter! So they're the symptoms right those things are the symptoms The symptoms are the remedy for the splinter The symptoms ARE the answer to the problem Think of it this way if you have some water and that water isn't being disturbed by anything. It's perfectly level, it's perfectly flat. It's still like on a really calm day you could walk up to the water and see your reflection in it now if you drop a rock into the water what happens? It's very disturbed ripples across the whole surface so the ripples are the symptoms of the rock being dropped in what are the ripples there for? It's just uh...an effect of the force

43:28 What are the ripples trying to achieve? Equilibrium, again. The ripples are the water in an active state of returning to balance. The ripples are the answer to the disturbance by dropping the rock in. I get that and I like to think about the car analogy too. If you're redlining your car and the engine is smoking and your RPMs are up into the red You have to take your foot off the gas and it will kind of come back to a state that's acceptable i mean it's kinda like the same thing when you get sick your body is telling you take your foot off the gas, we will fix this and then you'll come back to regular state so i guess i wouldn't say. How do u get rid of the symptoms but i guess can you speed this process along in any effective way that isn't

44:22 going against the grain of what your body's trying to do? Yeah, I think you can. You rest and you provide it with good nutrition. You listen to your body ask yourself what does it need sometimes when you're ill and you think oh really crave some strawberries or I'm really craving some chicken soup or I'm really craving XYZ listen to what your body is telling you to do So really what we're talking about here is to identify and treat the cause. The cause was the rock The cause was the splinter The dis-ease is the symptoms. But we just said that the symptoms were the answer to the problem, so actually disease IS healing. Disease is the healing response! So again, we said at the start of this conversation that everything's inverted in this reality. We're looking at disease as a problem but we must fix it but actually disease is the healing response. It is the body and active state trying to repair itself. Would you come along when there are ripples in the water

45:23 And spend trillions of dollars trying to understand the ripples no no another good analogy is in the book i just wanna throw this out our son the first hour is imagine because, cold are called calls because we acknowledge that their cyclical with the weather. And in the fall and winter we get sick you even go deeper into the language that the chinese use for this and they say yeah your exposed to cold and dampen you got sick. And there's a lot of impact their but now she uses,

46:00 In the fall imagine that we saw the leaves turning yellow and falling off and we said that is the dreaded yellow leafing disease. And we gotta figure out because of this and we got to stop it because this is just awful look at all our trees, i mean it's kind of the same logic it's like this is a natural part of the process in this cycle now of course not every person gets sick every winter its not like one-to-one like that as opposed to the trees, where certain varieties of trees clearly... it's like almost every leaf. But even that I guess there's a little variance in what we see but the analogy holds and i like the attacking the mindset of just like well we have to intervene here because we don't like the way this looks and there's not really anything you're going to be able to do. The body is perfect! The body knows exactly what it needs to do We love to try and interfere as human beings

46:58 We think that we need to get our hands in there and go, right. There's something wrong and we need to fix it when actually no everything is okay. We just need to get the heck out of the way and let the body do what is capable of doing now The question that we should be asking here is, stop looking at the symptoms. Stop trying to spend money on looking at blood sugar and heart rate and blood pressure and cholesterol levels. They're all the symptoms, right? Stop trying to look at inflammation. Inflammation's a healing response. It's like none of those things cause the problem. What we want to try and do is identify and treat the cause. What is the rock? Right. What's the bad input? Yeah.

47:41 What is that input that disrupted the balance? One thing you may not be aware of is, once upon a time human beings were essentially all healthy and free from disease. So there was a report released in The Lancet maybe a year or two ago, and what they said was that 97% of the world's population now have at least one condition, one health condition. Less than 3%, or 4% of the world's population are completely healthy. I think that 150-200 years ago, that was the reverse

48:17 that there was 3% of people who were unwell and 97% of the world's population were healthy. Why do I say that? Because there are countless reports in the medical literature, of medical teams and anthropologists traveling to remote destinations and interacting with uncontacted tribes and doing studies on them. And in these reports they all said The people were remarkably free from disease. There was no diabetes, there was no heart disease, there was no depression, there was no cancer, there was no autoimmune disease, there was no Alzheimer's or anything. They couldn't find any illnesses so you have to look at those people and how they were living and go why is it that they we're so healthy? And again like that is very different than the story that we're told

49:10 We're told that, no, no. They were all really sick and we had to come and give them modern medicine to help them survive otherwise they'd die." So thank goodness for us that we saved these native people but actually in fact they were healthy. Why were they so healthy? And why is it that we're so unhealthy today? When you answer that question you'll start to find what the rocks are or what the cause of the problem is. What would they doing differently To how we're living our life today when you start thinking about that. Fewer the pieces of the puzzle stop falling in line yes you go into how some of the big diseases

49:51 Come online obviously with industrialization and world war one where we're making tons and tons of chemicals. For war and those chemicals are in the air in the landscape the war ends but the effects of what we did trying to hurt other people there still aspects of that and then, weapons manufacturing companies turn into food companies and pesticide companies and that has never stopped so yeah from the beginning of industrialization in the world war one era on through we've allowed company's to talk about the air the water make things to try to kill people in wartime. And those same products are meant to kill isolated

50:37 germs and weeds in this and that and pass the bugs when we're not more time but the chemicals are still out there so all that stuff is the bad inputs for sure, and there's obviously more to go into but i wanna return to vitamin d just while were still. In the first hour i don't want to leave first our listeners with a cliffhanger even though they should just sign up regardless what i like about the vitamin d example of the way you've said it the analogy analogies are so great and your good with them vitamin d is not this thing that's in the sunlight that they can pull out or put your skin under a microscope and then read it and like. You know all that thing got from the sunlight into your body,

51:22 Or it could come from a pill and also get into your body. You say it's the marker that you got sunlight just like a pile of ash is the remnant of a fire, you know there was a fire there because there was a pile of ash their leg you know that a person got good sunlight yesterday because theirs vitamin d or this thing we call vitamin D measurable in them today its just an effect it's just a marker in the body that you got Good sunlight so can you take that marker and put it in a pill and give it to someone and say its the same as sunlights absolutely not but you also know that there's dozens of qualities of sunlight.

52:03 beyond the marker vitamin D that benefit the body. What about all those things? How about you just go out and get some damn sunlight, but talk to us about the vitamin D thing in your take on this because it is one of the biggest things I hear like this third rail in the health world is like... It really comes down to getting good sunlight and eating food that was grown in good sunlight. Yeah again one thing people in the modern western lifestyle or society aren't getting much of these days is sunlight. Our ancestors used to get a lot of sunlight, they weren't all taking vitamin D pills and a lot of people rely on it because they've been convinced that the only reason why you take vitamin D is because you're not getting enough sun and the only thing that the sun gives you is vitamin D but that's not true at all so

52:57 The analogy with the fire is really good. If you go camping, you light a fire it keeps you warm at night and wake up the next morning there's a pile of ash on the ground. The ash is the evidence that there was a fire there. Now you can't scoop that ash up and then the next night when it gets really cold just sprinkle the ash around near your tent and you huddle around in your pile of ash to try and keep warm. It's not going to do anything because the ash is the evidence of the fire It's the byproduct of the fire. It's a remnants of the fire, The only thing that keeps you warm is the fire itself. The fire is the thing that's doing the job it's doing the work to same with the sun so the ashes the vitamin D it's the evidence that your exposed to sunlight. The thing that having the effect on human body believe it or not

53:52 is that big ball of light up in the sky that gives life to every single living organism on the face of this earth. Like, what a revelation! Right? It's not that complicated... it's not that complicated it's there for us it's being put there like you walk outside and it's literally there stand out in it for half an hour and get some sunlight but people have become so scared about the Sun They go, well no I don't want to get out and get burnt and get skin cancer. And I have to take the vitamin D." Well if you start looking at the evidence for sun exposure, the people who get more sun exposure have less skin cancers. This isn't even really that controversial to be honest Gregg. The evidence now is unequivocal. Vitamin D is nothing more than a proxy marker for sun exposure. That's it! This has discussed in the literature at length

54:46 And let's just assume that vitamin D was the thing that had an effect. Well, the sun also has from what I can understand close to about three dozen beneficial effects on the human body above and beyond whatever vitamin D could provide you. So do you just want to take the vitamin D if that even does really have an effect in your body? And miss out on the other 35 beneficial effects of the sun gives Well, that's your choice. I'd rather get the sun but if some people want to take the vitamin D that's fine and people will say well i feel better when i take it. Vitamin d is a steroid hormone so i think when you're taking it in high doses maybe working similarly to something like prednisone which is an anti-inflammatory so it's suppressing the inflammatory response and people might say well that's a good thing because inflammation is bad

55:44 No, as we said earlier inflammation is the healing response. So if you've got the splinter in your finger and you come along and put some prednisone cream on it and the inflammation goes away and you take some antibiotics and you take some analgesics and now there's no pain and there's no swelling and there's no redness fantastic feels good you still got a damn splinter poking out of your finger The cause of the problem was never dealt with. Same thing with taking vitamin D supplements, yes you might feel better but I think what you're doing is masking the symptoms and it's possible that the reason why you feel that way is because you've got a sunlight deficiency yeah so you're taking the vitamin d supplement to mask symptoms of the sunlight deficiency So it's a bit of a catch-22 there

56:36 The simple answer is to get out in the damn sun i know it's so crazy that we try to find work around. But i've also heard you say a few other details that are interesting me vitamin d is, the pill form derived from sheep's wool not even from anything really related to sunlight european health agencies have called vitamin d and indica disruptor and A lot of vitamin d3 supplements contain classic barrel which is a major ingredient in rat poison and i had to look that up but i did find rat boys and that says it's like a great and then it's like really crazy because they work on. Rats and lab mice cuz they say that there so similar humans you know that's all another can worms like how some are there really but

57:26 If you're gonna go with that premise, do you wanna take a supplement of a chemical that's made to kill something that the whole medical establishment assumes is a lot like you? Weird. Yeah look it's up to people what they do or don't take and what people put in their body Me, personally I don't take any supplements anymore. I used to. I prescribed these things hand over fist to patients for a decade while myself was taking hundreds of dollars of this stuff every month. I don't take a single supplement anymore and guess what? I feel exactly the same so it's not providing me any benefits. Actually what I think was happening with my clients when they were taking their supplements, I noticed a very interesting thing is that as soon as their supplements ran out

58:14 their symptoms came back. So they had to call me up and go, Dan I need more of your supplements can you compound me up some? And i'd make it up for them and go great now we'll see in a month! It didn't dawn on me at the time but all I was doing was providing them a drug in disguise which is what a vitamin is and also suppressing their symptoms. I was never addressing the underlying cause of the problem so I was giving people vitamin D but they were sun deficient so what I should have been doing was educating them about the benefits of sunlight and why it's important so that they don't need to take a vitamin D. The word doctor means teacher, now what that implies is that the curriculum is already written we already know everything that a human being needs to thrive and survive and do well We know it! It's not a mystery...it's there

59:12 So, what the role of a doctor is to educate their client which is in the name about how to modify their diet and lifestyle in such a way that they get all the things that they need and then minimize their exposure to the things that they don't need. And when you do that and you give the body the raw ingredients and you stop poisoning it, the body heals itself. So this is how we should be approaching healthcare rather than going to war with the body and thinking that it's broken, and that is doing something wrong and that we need to fix it. Well said!

59:48 So as we're wrapping this thing up, I always ask this in a health show and i'm always left disappointed. But how do you suggest we find a good doctor who understands at least half of this stuff? Even when you are in the conventional paradigm, you were still on the naturopathic end of the spectrum but i've heard you say that the vast majority of naturopaths today are just green pharmacists basically so...I agree But how do we find the right person to turn to in those times where we need a little help from somewhere? Maybe, we don't need anyone. Maybe there is no expert to help us when we don't feel good and just need to stay in bed but it's nice when you have a young family just be like well I've got some kind of health nutritional person that I call on when there's a problem but I can't find the person who even has the right philosophy about health what would you say to help me out?"

1:00:46 Yeah, it's very difficult Greg. It really is. There are maybe one or two naturopaths that I know of that I would recommend my friends or family to see who really get it. There are a handful of doctors around but they're very few and far between. I think we can take responsibility for our own health more than we currently think we can I'm not saying that you shouldn't have a relationship with the doctor or naturopath or someone when there's a situation that unfolds, that you feel you need some additional assistance. But there is so much we can do to get ourselves in a situation or position where we don't become ill or we certainly reduce our risk and frequency of falling ill.

1:01:43 The way in which you prevent illness, like preventative medicine. The things that you would do to prevent getting sick are the same things that you would do when you are sick to heal yourself. Those things are exactly the same. So what are those things? Well I mentioned them earlier. They're really simple they're really straightforward and in fact all of these If you went to a government health website right now and looked in the health section, they'd probably list most of these things. So these aren't like outlandish conspiratorial crazy nonsense recommendations it's very sound advice so those things are to eat real food, eat local seasonal fresh whole food that you prepare maybe you prepare it with the people that you care about and you share it with the people that love and exercise your move your body

1:02:40 You drink good clean water, you filter it. You get outside in nature and get some fresh air. Put your bare feet on the ground. Find meaning and purpose in your life. Try to reduce your stress. Get good quality sleep. Get plenty of sunlight. These really basic simple things that we all take for granted those things are essential a human body cannot live without those things So if you are missing some of those things, and there's probably a couple of other things that I've sort of missed there but you get the general picture. If you're missing some of those things and your ill well i think it would stand to reason that you address those things first and then see if he still sick rather than going oh yeah look I'm not really exercising and not really getting any sunlight but now it's okay I'll just go on take a pill maybe the issue is because you're lacking those things

1:03:38 But again, because these things require you to take control of your health. A lot of people don't have the time or the willpower to do it and it falls by the wayside. So if you can find a good doctor or naturopath who agrees with those principles and who is on similar wavelength. As you, they may not agree with everything that you think about health and wellness but if they're on a similar wavelength maybe they're just a good person to have on speed dial if you ever need them but I really think you can be your own best doctor. Yeah that's good advice! I mean I've always rejected the notion of a checkup like I'm feeling good I'm not going to dedicate any time to making sure you tell me I feel good... That's stupid and uh I guess

1:04:32 For me it's just with the kids you know when they do get a fever i can get a little scary to just be like let's trust the process and. It would be nice i think maybe i need to find like an herbalist or nutrition is something like if i just wanna put the right things in my body when we're in that red line phase it's just like, I could get that really from a book, but it'd be nice to maybe have someone. I know of someone locally who says they make a tea that can cure any cold, that kind of thing at least now we're in the wheelhouse of like natural foods and natural processes but i don't know i don't really need to pay a doctor $100 an hour to tell me to stop eating at guy fieri's fast food chicken restaurant do i oh man well

1:05:19 This is super informative, a lot of fun. The vitamin stuff in particular is just really off the radar I think and will be so interesting to people but before we go talk to them about humanly and the best way to follow your ongoing work on top again the book. Yeah it was great to chat with you Greg had great time. I think covered a lot of ground here this evening and I hope people enjoyed listening to this if people want to learn a little bit more hear what I have to say and my thoughts on various other topics to do with health, they can go to my website which is humanley.com H-U-M-A-N-L-E-Y dot com and you can sign up to the mailing list we don't really send out that much stuff it's very infrequent that we actually email people but you can join or sign up for the free health

1:06:13 or free webinar library. We cover a range of different topics there and I do some presentations so people can get that for free. I do have a paid members area But yeah, I think the free webinar library is a good start. And then I'm also doing a five-week short course which will be releasing in the next month or so which is really just teaching people those sort of basic principles, those 10 basic principles that we spoke about today and explaining why those things are so important and providing people with some practical strategies around how they can implement that into their diet and lifestyle And if people want to get a copy of the book, it's Can You Catch A Cold? available on Amazon.com Just go to Amazon and type in can you catch a cold and it should come up Love it Well all this material was great It really is largely intuitive and pretty simple Its only made complex because of our conditioning

1:07:12 But otherwise, a lot of it should be pretty obvious. And we didn't even talk about sanitation! That's a whole nother thing that maybe we'll get to down the road... but thanks again for coming here and breaking it all down for us! Take care! Thanks Greg Well, well, well how about it? I've been holding onto this one for a few weeks now. And I even talked about it briefly at the live event in high Springs. I loved this interview and the perspectives of Daniel Reuters a lot. And by the way, the high Springs event audio should be out in the plus feed very soon and maybe even the video on the plus bonus page but we're having a little bit of a hard time working that part out

1:07:57 But as for this episode, I loved it and still think I remain somewhere in the middle. Open-minded but maybe a little unsure of any solid conclusions? I like having to analyze my observed and lived experience through a new lens to see how it fits... And I just like a good argument. Daniel's book is pretty damn ironclad when it comes to the contagion experiments we always reference but hadn't seen contained in a single book like this And it's just facts. Let me read again the exact numbers of the 203 contagion experiments in medical history, 26 directly exposed healthy people to sick people a total of 172 sick donors were exposed to 252 healthy recipients in every way imaginable

1:08:46 They lived in the same houses, slept in the same beds, drank from the same cups, kissed each other used one another's handkerchiefs and coughed and sneezed into each others' faces. Despite these efforts a mere 21 recipients or 12% came down with a cold or flu none of the studies use participant blinding or controls As for exposure to bodily fluids, of the 6,522 healthy people exposed directly through aerosols droplets or injections or indirectly to the body's fluids of sick people across 117 experiments approximately one-third 2125 people developed a cold or flu.

1:09:28 Only one quarter of those experiments used some form of control group. Of the 1,585 control participants exposed to an inert placebo 157—10%—developed a cold or flu which implies that inert substances and the nocebo effect can cause respiratory illness And just one third of those experiments used blinding and no studies use positive controls So that is the book in a nutshell. 12% of exposed people get sick and 10% of unexposed people get sick because they thought they were exposed and expected to be sick It's the goddamn same, so if it is mostly mental The real trick is to use the data to change your mindset or some might even say conditioning To get sick less often...to feel like you can be around sick people And it's not a threat to you

1:10:25 Easier said than done, I'm sure. And it's a lot like magic right? They say it only works if you believe in it which almost sounds like a catch-22 but you can research magic enough to believe and then practice it and get some reliable results It is why people say step into a better story about yourself or some of your experiences because the whole reality is mental So why should your health not fold into that too to some degree And in terms of explaining illness, I think he does a great job of making the case that it's weather and humidity changes mixed with your general threshold or pH level. I think that was in the plus show but he makes a point that if illness kicks in at say a pH of 6 for example A quick weather change might lower your pH by a factor of 1 or 1.5 and depending on your walking around pH at the time

1:11:21 and how while you're taking care of yourself, that 1.5 change might or might not be enough to knock you under the threshold for an immune response or what we call an immune response." He explains it better than me but it is the details behind the broader idea of terrain theory essentially. And The Plus Show here is way more focused on the book than the vitamin thing and some of the most interesting material I could pull out of it as well as nuances of sunlight and fasting and fetal programming. Damn, that one really got me! We talk deeper about the history of contagion studies and all the results that I just kind of read to you... And he makes the case for the weather humidity pH and health argument and the relationship between these things as well as east-to-west epidemic or pandemic spread That was a real head scratcher

1:12:17 And he even goes so far as to question what we know about blood cells. And listening back, it was kind of funny to hear me in real time doing the mental gymnastics to try and think through how people even see blood cells and he's right! If our bodies are holistic systems you can't extract one thing and make radical conclusions about it like white and red blood cells, and their ultimate complete function. It's like he said pulling a gear from a watch and then trying to drill down on its function when it's not a part of its larger system you can see some of its functions in effects but you can't really understand everything because they only see these parts by pulling them out of us and measuring them that's not the same

1:13:08 So lots of fun stuff I never thought much about like that in the Plus show. You know how it works, become a member get the full two hours of every interview putting out the best interviews as I can is my top priority and plus memberships are my only measure success so becoming one is a win-win and we do all this outside of the never ending ad supported everything model And you know what? It was my 40th birthday yesterday and all I want is for you to treat yourself to more show. Throw me an attaboy, pick up a 6 month or 12 month chunk get full access to the archives that go all the way back to 2010 with many timeless classics on so many different subjects...I get little extra icing on my income cake and YOU GET MORE OF THE SHOW YOU ALREADY LIKE! So thats the pitch but

1:14:01 The real unique stuff that I still think about from this interview is what we started with, because I sort of had the intuition about it already but hadn't really taken the time to unpack it. And that's the vitamin stuff! Hearing some of the added context for vitamin origin stories was really useful for me I mean, what is vitamin C really? How can you isolate it without adding other things to it or breaking it down and then trying to say that this vitamin c thing is something that can be pulled out powdered down and pilled up. It really doesn't logic out! It's nice for selling bottles of stuff to people who don't want to eat whole foods but I'm really on his page with this...It's like just another type of drug

1:14:47 As I brought up, I was at least halfway there trying to buy organic whole food sources of vitamins. But let's just cut out the middleman and go right to the proper source! I actually started feeling a little run down the week after I recorded this and found myself blending up ginger, turmeric, cayenne peppers, lemon, and orange instead of taking a pill...and felt better by morning. I was quite happy with myself But the holidays, too were very rough in the Carlwood home as I kind of alluded to. Super sick whole family dealing with it off and on and in those moments... ...I just wanted to stop whatever it takes whatever caused It doesn't matter a whole lot when you have to trudge through the day regardless of how shitty you feel. It certainly seemed like my daughter brought something home from school but at the same time the environment between here And there? The weather? The humidity? Maybe there was a change

1:15:43 But either way, no more shortcuts for me. No more trying to go halfway with grounding mats or whatever or ground up acerola cherry powder Just make a tonic drink it in the morning sun outside and move on with the day I also bought some grounding shoes that have copper in the soles and use only organic materials So you can ground in Shoes pretty much anywhere you go There are like 3 or 4 companies doing this now, so a simple google search will bring them up. Plenty of styles that look just like any other shoe... So why not? I can't always be barefoot but a shoe that's not rubber and doesn't break the connection to the earth seems way closer to right than plugging in a grounding mat into an electrical socket But i thought about the PH thing when i made my little tonic because it might have just raised me back to a sufficient level And i kept from getting sick

1:16:40 And pH itself might only be a residual effect of something else. People say that with cancer, it's not the pH exactly but maybe it's the health of the water in your system? But to us and our instruments we read it as pH It's one of those correlation is not exactly causation types of things but whatever you get it This was great though I thank Daniel for his work and his time I hope you got something out of it In higher side news, I got a lot of messages across the various platforms about this guy in the plus comments who is hitting multiple shows with a flood of wild comments full of slurs and all kinds of that unsavory stuff. And that is why I just jumped on Twitter to say yeah, I see it because I had friends coming into town for my birthday. I wasn't going to go in and deal with all that in the moment but I wanted people to know that I saw it so they could stop telling me about it

1:17:38 I was gonna kick him out today, but the thing about people like that is they usually move on quickly anyway and i might not need to do anything at all. That said, I'm pretty much cool with any conversation about anything on the plus site except don't use slurs! You could have the exact same conversation without the slurs and I wouldn't care We can talk about ideas and have curiosities or whatever about this taboo or that one, but we aren't going to be hateful or talk about violence or be threatening in any way. It takes a lot to cross any line where I actually care about stepping into police comments...I didn't get into this to worry about comments at all! But because of the Tracy thing where she referenced that weirdo in the forums

1:18:28 I learned my lesson about letting it be a free-for-all. So just be decent in your tone, and you can talk about some pretty indecent things ya know? But that said let's get the plus member rating from the last episode with Schwab about Goblin markets and The Slop being fed to our psycho metabolism Looks like his fourth appearance on the show brought in a 4.6 and I'm good with that I liked it, and always enjoy talking to him and reading his work. But our first and second interviews were the best largely due to the subject matter but there's something really appealing about the term Goblin Markets and also thinking about our minds as eating what they're fed and protecting that more

1:19:21 Because maybe there are influences and effects that we don't even consciously recognize, and I don't want to eat slop in any form or fashion. I want to have a higher respect for my time attention and body which is why i'm only actively watching three shows right now White Lotus Righteous Gemstones Which I do think has gotten worse in the later seasons And this new little gem I found called Common Side Effects I'm really not a fan of adult animation in general. I never gravitated to the Simpsons or Family Guy or South Park, really. But I want to endorse and recommend common side effects if you're unfamiliar. The premise is what if a Terrence McKenna type guy actually discovered an obscure mushroom that could heal anything? Anything at all! And how would the pharma industrial complex react to that

1:20:17 It's very good, very THC. And if it's going where I think it's going because there is maybe a couple episodes left before the season one finale... ...it's really gonna knock it out of the park based on some aspects of the lead up to where I think its going. Its made by Mike Judge and The Guys Who Made Scavengers Reign which was also great so check it out if you're looking for higher form of entertainment But anyway, let's read off the upcoming meetups and wrap a bow around this thing. HiresideMeetups.com here is what we got! Okay today is the Dove Creek Colorado Meet Up at the Pinto Bean Newspaper Hangout at Bangers Bar & Pizza This Saturday March 29th Sydney Australia Chish & Phipps Kiosk Can't wait to stop saying that

1:21:11 March 31st, Gail Brath's Ale House in Auckland New Zealand and then nothing so far in April. But go to highersidemeetups.com for more info on any events to RSVP for one you plan to go to or create your own get in there it's totally free we can support local businesses just have a couple drinks with other listeners very easy icebreakers is what are your favorite topics and who are your favorite guests I'm sure you say that to any other fan of the show and you'll be off to the races. It's a beautiful thing, but thanks for listening and for all the birthday wishes! I had a helluva time with my friends that i haven't seen much of since I moved couldn't have asked for a better weekend really we lined RVs up on the back of the property and had like 25 people staying in my house and or backyard totally feel recharged only just wish it was longer

1:22:10 I even had some gifts from listeners in the PO box, which is so unexpected and super kind of you. And gifts given to me at the event thanks for those gifts as well. Honestly people have been way too kind to me! I just asked some questions on a silly little podcast and again if i can get anything for my 40th birthday it's just more members enjoying the full show and more people knowing about THC in general Going forward, I really have to get better about mentioning the importance of word-of-mouth. As an audio only podcast that's no longer able to use YouTube for discovery like i might have in the past... ...I just ended up realizing how hard it is to actually end up in front of new people! So I don't want to oversell it. I don't want to cross over into cringy territory or desperation but hey 40 is a big birthday if I can ever do it should be right now

1:23:07 So a free gift would be to just tell some people about the show. Because there really is no algorithm for us right now, but why trust the machines to do what people have done for many years way better? If you can do that or become a Plus Member great otherwise I'm good and i know we're all quite worried about me but i hope you're good too! And big thanks again to our guest Daniel Roydas get his book if you're into this sort of thing it's really good and i'll see on the next one i hope Your move, vitamin deceivers, disease disinfo spreaders and big harma bastards. You're fuckin' me. I've come for the one poison's in It's full of estrogen I made it difficult! I've come for your water I've come for your water I've come for your water I've come... For.. Your Water Yeah Food that's here I've crushed the insects up

1:24:26 Goodbye to when prices go this high I've come for your water, I've come for your water I've come for your water, I've come...for..your water yeah Land sea and desert Even the red They're mine forever Plush swamp in depth Say the world gets hot I've come for your water.