Daniel Rekshan | Dream Shamanism, Missing Time Found, & The Monophasic Fallacy

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06:15 Now where will we be? How did you see? The higher side chat shows our old wooden company Serenity now, Hireside Chatters. From the Sunshine State I'm Greg Carlwood and as we navigate the choppy waters of the vast conspiracy all sorts of questions arise about the deeper nature of reality and what a human life in it even is Are we ignorantly meandering through a system of routine cataclysmic catastrophes? Of which we are kept ignorant while the parasitic elite build underground bunkers in their hopes to rule what remains in future rounds of rebuilding

07:01 Have reptilian puppet masters hijacked a system of universal karmic law to collectively drag down the rest of us with forced participation via retirement investments, taxes and a manufacturing base built on human rights abuses? Might a mind control signal from Saturn be creating a frequency prison from which we cannot recognize our true selves? Or are alien greys compromising the human soul, tricking us with light tunnels and trying to extract our genetics to build their own biological demon bodies? When you start asking the big questions very quickly a personal fundamental framing of reality and what is even possible in it comes into play.

07:39 Many folks say they want answers to these curious mysteries, but lack a well-thought out model for consciousness, dream time, nonphysical reality, quantum mechanics and all the other important contextual insights under life's hood. The things we need to get a handle on for the out there stuff to fit within! And lucky for us, today we're talking to Daniel Rechshan a guy who has studied all these things academically, philosophically and practically through a psychonautic exploration of the depths of what his own mind and consciousness are capable of. He's the founder of D-SETI.org, a research organization that explores the ET slash nonhuman intelligence search and study through dream... ...and he is a trained hypnotist and dream counselor

08:22 He is also an important founding member of the team behind the DreamWell app, helping people sleep and dream better. And as you do he explored John Dee's Enochian magic and performed all that is involved in the Enochian apocalypse working which resulted in his book Liber Lux Galactica aka The Book Of Galactic Light a collaboration between Daniel and celestial beings he communicated with throughout the process But that's not all. Most recently, he has written another book in collaboration with non-human intelligences reaching out to help humanity better understand our place in the vast multidimensional soup of consciousness titled Missing Time Found Don't Worry It's Just a Dream A New and Old Hypothesis Regarding ET & UFO Associated Missing Time

09:08 He's got some really interesting insights into how all these things connect, and it's going to be really fun to get into. Here he is the Enochian Apocalypse Ritual Worker, The Dream Insight Extractor and earthly buddy to Celestial Beings Daniel! Welcome to The Higher Side. Thank you for having me. Yeah man so I learned about your work from a voicemail you left for the joint sessions when I was still doing that And then I had to reschedule and it got all lost in the chaos of moving across the country And then you wrote your next book with the beans and reached out again in this time i didn't leave a hangin so i have to apologize for that but i am really glad that we waited because missing time found is a super interesting book and i don't think i was ready. Do one packet six months ago like i am today i might have dismissed the connection between,

09:58 dream and non-human intelligences as some kind of cope from people who don't want to wrestle with the reality of high strangeness encounters or want to frame these things is somehow less real through that sort of conclusion. But what you are saying with this book is much more fascinating than that, how would you describe the overall pitch to missing time found? Or the working hypothesis behind it? Thank you. So that's a big question and I do want to just set this up a little bit by referencing some of your interviews with Diana Pasolka and some of the other researchers in the field, there is this movement towards this understanding that things can be real and something else so Diana Pasolka talked about it being both real and imaginary understood as almost religious experience in her book American Cosmic.

10:50 these experiences can be both dreams and real at the same time. And the biggest framing that I bring to this is an awareness of a cultural bias that Western mainstream culture has called the monophasic bias, meaning we only care about one phase of consciousness other cultures care about multiple phases of consciousness and they don't have as big of an issue going hey there's something in my dream that's real but dreamlike. And so having that basic understanding that something can be dream-like and real, meaning it impacts our daily life, there probably is ontologically distinct these dream characters coming to us telling us things

11:32 But us saying it's dreamlike for the last 100 years, 300 years in Western culture. We go oh that means it's an illusion therefore I have to throw it away and so I am saying that we can say yes indeed ET contact is dream-like and we know this from studies people have done the biggest studies Western culture around this say hey alien abductees are schizotypal meaning they're having dreamlike experiences They're absorbing themselves into their fantasy prone and I say yes All of that science is true. And yet dreams are also true and look at all these miraculous things other dreaming cultures have done Mm-hmm Yeah, the first interview I did with Diana she ended it saying something about the grand realization is that

12:22 When you watch a movie your brain interprets everything as it's actually happening in front of you i was like that so weird. Unexpected thing to say but yeah that's what she is getting at the imaginal or things that are presented still are interpreted, add real But just because they're interpreted as real, I guess doesn't necessarily make them real. That's kind of the sticking point for me where if these things are real like...I guess we have to get fundamental and defined realness but where do these things emerge or how do we identify a character in a dream? Or something that we encounter in the dream reality that is real versus something that is a manifestation or just some kinda thing? Is there even a difference?

13:09 It's a really good question. I turn to Tibetan dream practices to really look at that the Tibetan book of sleeping and dreaming gives a kind of classification, and this is a sort of classic way of looking at dreams from cultures that really honor dreams they say hey there are some dreams that are little in some dreams that are big in that distinction Carl Jung talked about as well as Michael Harner in the shamanic understanding of dreams is there's little dreams, there's big dreams. Little dreams are like the wish fulfillment dreams they're the anxiety dreams where your teeth are falling out The big dreams are like... ...the life-changing dreams! The precognitive dreams, the bilocation dreams, the alien abduction dreams or whatever and so these cultures have a more rich system of identifying and discerning Is this my personally

14:01 relevant dream but not relevant to the culture or is this actually relevant to the culture. People who practice DreamWork, people who do this over time have an understanding and it's a personal it's personal understanding to say, hey this is real or this is just personally meaningful but not necessarily real to the culture. And I think a lot about the dream interpreters of old you know thinking back to the book of Daniel right? It's like these dream interpreters would go into these foreign lands and interpret for politicians and kings what their dreams meant they got it wrong they would die right? They would be sown to death! So they have a skill that is not a

14:39 a science, but it's an art that can be activated and accurate. So we have to look to... I would say actually the reason why I'm doing this work is because our culture seems to need a different set of tools that address this question. Is it real? Is it a dream? I will also say this is a thing i'm wrestling with personally. So one of the experiences I share in Missing Time Found, is my own journey with missing time. My own experience of going...I had missing time! I don't know what it is? I'm seeing a hypnotist to figure that out?! It seems dreamlike to me and yet my twin brother remembered it in a way where I was able to write down the experience ask him about it 20 years later and him confirm that to me

15:24 and also there's a sequence of synchronicities around it, which means that there is a level of reality that extends beyond my persona. So it's transpersonal and therefore I would say as real with the caveat that any dream experience that comes to us does come through the lens of personal experience. So that's why screen memories sometimes riff on science fiction, right? So our experience of aliens sort of looks like science fiction perhaps not because they're unreal but perhaps because we're perceiving them through the lens of our personal imagination primarily and then secondarily through the transpersonal kind of greater reality experience

16:06 Well, I think you are on to something because with so many high strangeness experiences it does involve a shift in consciousness it does involve. A trans state of some kind and we all know dreams are a thing that happens like very bizarre experiences that we think are absolutely real until we wake up so if we don't have that waking up trigger imagine that you're just in the most bizarre dream ever your not questioning why your pets are

16:42 having their heads on human bodies and you're in some kind of weird mafia. That's a dream I had when I was young, like you don't question it until you wake up and say oh yeah that is completely insane and ludicrous why would i think that? So you can almost say the same thing about life maybe death is that awakening trigger in a different sense they were like oh my god! That was all kind of a hallucination but we-it just feels real because you're in it This is a really interesting thing when it comes to ET and that whole experience. I've heard you say in previous interviews, when talking about the fact that so much of that is derived from hypnotic regression

17:25 that, you know it's a bigger piece than people realize like we all know it in the mix but the idea of gray aliens coming into spaceship and extracting our genetic material. That narrative the shape of that is really strongly influenced by the 90s and this hypnotic regression thing so You have asked, what if all the researchers who are doing that and holding a negative view of ET like David Jacobs? What if they're unknowingly shamans. It might have the side effect of greys stealing our genetics at night! They might've manifested their nightmares through working with thousands of people and a potent dynamic of holding a singular view of these things might be transformative to the world

18:13 I like that. Pretty big statement, elaborate on what you're saying there because that is a pretty unconventional approach to this work but it is interesting Yeah, it is unconventional but I would say actually it's an experimental method and almost scientific. And your listeners can participate in that experiment if they like by imagining different scenarios and knowing that they are perhaps powerful dream shaman in themselves capable of mediating their own relationships with the non-human intelligence world directly and not indirectly through the mediating factors of these cultural lenses of negative abduction. So setting that aside and turning back to that childlike imagination, in thinking about these experiences may actually shift the experiences your listeners have. And so that's a fundamental message I have but i want to talk a little bit about this sense of David Jacobs and Bud Hopkins being these shaman

19:12 I believe it was Bud Hopkins' third wife, Carol Rainey. She did documentaries for PBS and wrote a very interesting piece called The Priests of High Strangeness who really called out all of the unethical poor research practices of Hopkins and Jacobs. I would recommend anyone reading that article but it says hey these guys look like priests of high strangeness so that sort of confirmed to me some of the suspicions that the non-dual state between the hypnotist and the hypnotee isn't just about recovering false memories. It might be retroactively or retrocausally doing something, and I say that because my own personal experience is some of the things I do with dream work actually...I have these precognitive dreams and then two or three weeks later I go this is like a movie, a time loop movie where I'm like oh! I have to do the thing that I dreamed off

20:08 And then I'll make it true, and it was absolutely true but it was all me all along. So in that way I'm suggesting that perhaps the linearity of time is not as firm as we suspect. That shamanic people in general and everyone's shamanic have the capacity to step outside of time. And when we talk about dream shamanism, there are precedents of things like dream apportations meaning things coming from the dream world into this physical waking world entity encounters all these strange things by locations and all sorts of fascinating things and so

20:46 The final bit I would put on the table around hypnosis being dream shamanism is that the current president of the International Association for Study of Dreams wrote her dissertation on how hypnosis actually is dream-like. So you can use hypnosis to produce dream states, and that research is pretty consistent with the research that says hypnosis recovers memory which is very against recovered memory. And so I have to say it's dreamlike and therefore, I look to and say okay they're doing something like dream shamanism what if it actually does have an impact? The way we would test that would be looking at the

21:27 ideas Hopkins and Jacobs put forward, questioning them and saying hey there's some flexibility in there. And then inviting anyone who is considering this to inject their own imagination as to what happens or their desires even you know personally I have a desire to move away from slave states or whatever, the media circus into a more truth and love-based society. So that's what I'm doing with my works here and when i work with people especially in the missing time regression state oftentimes we will inject imagination of love of light and not go like hey what actually happened but how can we heal from this? How can we bring insight into this situation? And so that's what I'd invite anyone who's considering this to do

22:12 do is just bring that connection to their own heart and to the earth into that whole contemplation of what's happening. Well, that is another thing I like about you a lot. That you don't just sit and wonder, oh, I'm just intellectualize these things. You just explore them. We'll talk about the Enochian thing later but how many times have I talked about that through the years and just thought hmmm...I wonder if there's something to it? Well, just sit down and do the damn ritual if you want to know! And so often we don't and I think part of that is time and part of that

22:50 a calculation perhaps that i don't want my life racked and that seems to be what people associate with going down the magical path. What do you think about that idea that this stuff is dangerous i mean clearly you don't necessarily really think that but When people get mad at me about my criticisms of Christianity, a lot of it comes from this exact crossroads where they just put everything that's non-Christian in a big box and say it's evil. Well what are your thoughts about exploring these things? Particularly magic I guess and the idea that it's dangerous or will wreck your life or that it's evil

23:29 Thank you. So I grew up in a fundamentalist Christian church, evangelical it was fire and brimstone. I remember going oh my god i'm going to hell actually because of my experiences. I think a demon is attacking me at night and it's taking me to hell so I have that cultural training and conditioning and what brought me out of it actually was art and creativity and landscape painting I look to the work of Wassily Kandinsky, a famous modern artist who did abstract expressionism. He wrote a book called Concerning the Spiritual in Art. He says that the role of an artist is to go further than anyone has gone in the realms of spirituality

24:10 and have an experience, bring it back and share it with people. And so I said okay, I'll do that! So I won't just go out to the forest and field and paint...I'll go inside and see what's there. The way I did that was through what terrified me the most which at the time was tarot cards. Those are like gateway drugs to demon possession I still can't read them very well and i remember sitting with them and i would draw a few cards and imagine what the interior situation would be like to correspond with those cards. And my heart would be pounding when i did that, the same thing happened when i did the Anakian rituals. I felt extremely called to do it but one of the reasons why i took it so seriously was seven years before the Anakian rituals i went

25:00 London, and I looked at the magic mirror of John Dee in all of his things. And then it came back and I had a mysterious blood infection in my arm that my doctor John Constantine told me in the middle... He first was like, oh, it's okay dude you're fine. You got tennis album. Then he called me like six times in the night was like, you're going to die go to the hospital I went to the hospital and they start cutting it open, and they found ancient infected blood. The time on the clock kept going 12-12-12... And the doctor was just like this is so weird! I had no idea what this is for? Then he was like what is this am I going to die?! What's going on there?? You're not gonna die you might get these again we have no idea

25:39 I was like, okay. This is a spiritual sickness. I picked up some ancient infected blood." I've heard you talk about this before and i just wanted to focus on the word ancient why do you say that? Because the doctor said that! The doctor was like this just looks like old infected blood. I use the word ancient perhaps because of my poetic imagination but that's how she described it she was expecting pus and it just looked like an old black scabby thing in the middle of my arm, which she did not have any explanation as to how it got there at that point. Well super interesting for sure and I guess you are just the Bob Ross of high strangeness i'm gonna use that now

26:19 But let's talk a little bit more about mapping the imaginal. I love the idea of retrocausality, just the idea that these people could have inadvertently been doing shamanism and shamanic works and thus manifested the gray phenomenon into waking life. That's just a really great way to think about this but When we are looking at the imaginal, are you thinking there's like an ecology there where there are some things that actually have autonomous life within that garden bed? And then there are other things that are visualizations of our own. We all know the classic thing, hey think about a pink elephant and now everybody listening can't shake that image for

27:04 a brief moment, they're thinking about that. Well that's insignificant but now what if we dreamt of a pink elephant that was speaking to us through geometry and the kind of other things you write about? How do we differentiate between personally derived manifestation and something separate and autonomous and I guess is there a scale in this imaginal world in which we can have some kinda roadmap Think about the things we might encounter on the imaginal plane. Absolutely! So personally, I understand that there are things out there in the world but that they generally act for me through my own personal

27:42 sensitivities in the dream world through my personal imagination. So anytime I encounter something, how am i imagining its form and what is this more formless aspect? So there's a truth out there that is more formless and I provide some of this form. The literature I look to... so I'm in a PhD program at the California Institute for Human Sciences in the Integral Noetic Sciences Program. This is in Encinitas which was close to San Diego It's an anomalous studies concentration and it's the program director is Dr. Sean S. Bourne-Hargins He did a lot of work with Ken Wilber in integral theory and things like that, which is all about bringing together multiple perspectives. So Dr. Sean, he put in the academic books like we're going to study UFOs encrypted in this program and it's one of the only accredited programs that has that. And I jumped on as soon as I found out because his work surveyed all the literature basically instead

28:44 When you apply this sort of integral theory activity of list making and bringing together perspectives, there does seem to be multiple different lines or spectrums of reality ontology. There are things like Talupas... I don't know how you say that. Talpas! Thank You! And then there's actually physical beings that I personally believe that some people have talked to, has had physical encounters where these greys actually took things from them. Physically, truly medically in a very real way but also there is this aura of high strangeness like you were saying, this dreamlike stuff so

29:21 So there's a spectrum. And the reason why I advocate for the ethics and epistemology of dreams as opposed to forensic investigation here is because we seem to be interpreting it through personal lenses, primarily. I can point to the work of Jacques Vallée to support that or these different experiences. Ray Hernandez talks about that who's a big guy in terms doing quantitative research with experiencers. He was personally set on that journey because he had an experience and his wife had an experience of a light being or something, and they saw different things but like their dog was healed so it really happened. So this is sort of the kind of questioning I'm going on in trying to figure that out. Right? That's what's most interesting to me is when there are real world effects for some of these things but yes clearly

30:11 The personal interpretation is important it's a classic thing that we see these high strangers experiences and they present themselves as something religious or mechanical ship. And then jock would say oh well there's a presentation there which that makes me think about some plasma being that interacts with our own consciousness and presents itself in a way that we are not afraid of or are really afraid of depending on the state it wants us to be in. So I still think about some real thing behind that presentation, but

30:49 When it gets into the dreamlike nature of these things, that's also really accurate because you'll have people who say well the greys abducted me and then I said in Jesus name get out of here and put me back. And they do! Those people are like oh well clearly there are demons and Christianity is true. It's like no maybe that's something you did in your dream-like situation like you would in any dream I could dream that i was a priest of a made up religion and have real things or things that seem real respond to those protocols like that happens. And then the range of cryptids, I've just read so many books about encounters and they are incredibly bizarre from giant worms to little electric raccoons it's like these are not individual things clearly

31:43 fit in the context of dreaming and the bizarre creative range of things that people would experience. Where it gets weird, like we can talk about real things on the imaginal plane that we could encounter but where it gets really strange is imaginal things on the physical plane now it works if we say that reality is an onion of dreamlike states and we're just in the one that we think is real right now because we haven't had that awakening trigger And maybe that is the sandbox context for how this happens, but talk to us about that aspect of things. Real physical effects of what we're now kind of saying are imaginal beings? Yes thanks so to give context my first missing time case is Dan Berg and the reason why I bring it up is because he has the most documentation I have seen of a missing time event

32:41 He was a cameraman in Rob Freeman, the UFO World Explorers crew. And they went down to the Atacama Desert with Ricardo Gonzalez and Paula Harris who is valet secretary or some research assistant something like that now investigative journalist so it's like big names are there doing thing and they received automatic writing predicted the event A number of people in the Rama Network said a camera man is going be taken he's gonna have an experience Ricardo was like, oh, Avika is not... Avika which is the name of the ET that visits him or something like that. He said, Avika's not going to visit me it's somebody else so Dan was filmed going out into the desert being called telepathically film coming back 40 minutes later with a wild story about trees lighting up and telepathic messages and then at the same time they're filming this guy in

33:33 What I believe is a geosynchronous satellite actually, but was a blinking light sort of substantiated that sighting event or whatever. So I go, that's a real thing happening! Those synchronicities are wild and we'll talk a little bit more about another geosynchronous satellite Dan Stoth filled with amazing synchronicity. I still can't believe how meaningful this geosynchronous satellite was, but it is a geosynchronous satellite so i hypothesize that NHIs or ETs move that synchronicity to happen But I wanted to talk about that because all of the cases, if we actually look into abduction cases or gray alien cases and we look for the evidences it's a very interesting journey because the evidences do not support the stories in the way that legal forensic testimony supports historical physical events. So something else is happening and just to kind of conclude that line of thinking is

34:35 Part of my own inquiry here is asking the question, how much is real and how much is personal? When I've asked that question my own dream characters sometimes who take the form of tall gray aliens have said well Here's some body marks. Uh-huh. Here's some geometry to understand it this should be proof for you figure it out and Today I just completed the manuscripts and cover for a new book. It's called Galathog Le Gray's Field Guide to Anomalous Geometry, and it goes through It has about 100 figures of geometry that I've collected from the public internet, from people body mark experiences. So this is the set of data that Hopkins and Jacobs look to say hey this looks physical to me! People are telling me these dreamlike stories we don't have physical evidences of the craft but what actually see marks upon the body that seem medical in nature that aren't unexplained and associated with these dream-like encounters

35:36 So I've actually looked at that evidence and considered it my own dream connections with Tall Graves have said, look at that evidence. You'll figure out what's real and what stream like when you look at that And they've marked my body. And I actually have to put forward, interestingly the hypothesis that it was a psychosomatic interaction that my body created the mark upon the template that was provided to me by an ontologically distinct entity so this is something like a stigmata where an angel that's outside of the experiencer comes into the field does something and its so impactful that the physical body reacts but its not like

36:18 alien scalpels cutting open the skin. And looking at the evidence that's put forward by the abduction researchers, which is the source of the physical hypothesis of alien abduction, I must conclude that their evidence supports a psychosomatic body mark phenomenon as opposed to a medical artifact body mark phenomenon." That's an important distinction and in previous interviews I've heard you say we should stop fetishizing 3D reality like this isn't the only thing going on. And it's not like this is real and everything else is fake, its kind of a continuum and sometimes there's bleed over and that to me what most interesting is the bleed over like you mentioned body marks but what about

37:04 implants or physical hyper objects are meta materials that are apparently worked on. Do you think this idea of reverse engineering a craft is faulty, or could that still be true? But the craft came from the imaginal people talk about these beans like you say, you got geometry sometimes these beings apparently give things that are mechanical or physical and the person can either try to work it out or maybe it makes its way to the invisible college deep state somewhere. But what are your thoughts on that? Real physical objects arriving, I shouldn't even say real but physical objects arriving in the layer of reality we interpret as real and them being physical from a place that was non-physical

37:55 I'm still in the mix of thinking around that. There's a couple of thoughts i have, I want to connect the geometry to dream telepathy to meta materials by way of how put off and Kit Green who are deep state metamaterial people. I will believe metamaterials when i see metamaterials, and experts don't need to explain to me that they're metamaterials I'm seeing right? So this is what I'll say...I actually believe that they do have metamaterials. I believe there are recovered craft, and I believe that's not the point. I believe them talking about that is a

38:32 manipulation and sort of a ritual thing. I think that it misses the point, I say yes... The way that my experience has explained it to me and I'm still sort of fleshing this out in terms about academic argument is that the dreaming mind can open portals, and those portals are imaginal. A physical thing can enter into that world and exit into our world like a UFO craft but it is covered in film. I don't know if you've seen those YouTube videos of people

39:08 adding those swirl patterns to helmets and different plastic objects by dipping them in vats of water with this sort of image printed on top. They're fascinating YouTube satisfying videos or whatever, but the thing is The object goes from air to water and there's a film on the water that has an image that then is applied to the object as it moves through the medium. I say something like that happens, and the craft that enters into our realm is sort of coated with a sheath I don't know, psychic material from the collective unconscious or something. And that it sort of creates an expiry date or a trickster quality to it. So this is sort of like...I would interpret these as gifts from a fairy kingdom right? You don't eat food in the fairy lands

39:59 Like, you're careful when you bring back gold because when you spend it it will become coal. But before you spend it is actually gold and you can look at in and share that with your family thats what the fairy lore really tells us And I would suspect something similar happening with recovered craft I love it i really do i think we're pretty deep down the rabbit hole at this point so i recently interviewed a guy named tom kenyon. Whose journey started with the random sumati experience when he was eighteen on his uncle's farm and involved missing time in my snapback to reality hours had passed and there were cows standing right in front of them,

40:42 And he found that interesting because he had a contact experience with the deity that was associated with cows. This is an example of this thing that happens a lot, not exactly a physical object coming from the other side but we'll have an encounter with entity that has history associated with it and other people seeing it and it has associations with something like cows or cats or something. This happened to you I understand where You had a being that you were connected with and you said, show me who you are. And I guess take it from there apparently this bean was associated with ducks in water to the whole animal embodiment thing is fascinating and I want to relate that to dream shamanism but i do want to share my personal experiences too so that whole experience

41:35 I was in a month-long meditation retreat in the Shambhala Buddhist tradition, and I kept experiencing psychic intuitions and things like that. And communication...and I was like okay who is this? Who is this being with me? And it sort of said at this point I was thinking it's a fairy creature or nature spirit. In Shambhala Buddhist tradition we have a thing called a Drala so these are like nature spirits or elves or something like that. It's not we believe that they exist in the woods or something like that. There's sort of an imaginal kind of back and forth, so I was thinking it was that. It guided me intuitively to go to the library open a book and I saw Rahula who was

42:18 a raffled deity in Buddhism that is said to come from the edge of the galaxy, converted to Buddhism because he liked Buddhism. Decided to stay on Earth system to be a protector and it was associated with a duck through water, that transmedium sort of air-water experience. The association there was the sport coat I was wearing filled with ducks. It's like a corduroy coat that had ducks on it basically So that was my experience. My twin brother actually had in our missing time in 2002 or so, saw a dog witch at the boundary of the other space and this space and that was

43:02 a connecting point between the case that my client came to me, that triggered my remembrance of our missing time event. They also had a strange dog in the experience." So there is a prevalence of animals associated with these highly strange states and the thing I would say... The academic insight i would bring to this is that animal embodiment as well as control of the dream space are characteristics no one of dream shamanism. So we know that dream shamans can control the dream state, they can interpret it, they can discern from big and little dreams and they can also embody animals! That's like a weird thing to add to this list of dream things but that's what the scholars say...that they can embody animals so I have to think that perhaps there is some level of animal embodiment happening in those stories where strange animals appear

43:59 that perhaps they're not just screen memories, that perhaps they're actual animals somehow embodying the consciousness of that entity that's visiting. Yeah! And this is another thing I really like about your approach to all this, as you kind of say well let's get all the reports. Let's go to the strangest of strange places and let's assume what they're saying is true and then let's find a model that can incorporate that rather than saying this is our model and your experience doesn't fit within it so you must just be crazy. You are not afraid to look at the wildest stuff and then be like how would I fit that into

44:40 i'm model and it just seems like dream shamanism is that model so let me ask you about. What happens when someone goes to Peru and does ayahuasca? I just had Gordon White here, a staple of THC. And he talked about seeing the shaman embody the jaguar that obviously you're on these entheogens but he just could see in the movement of the man like The mechanisms of Jaguar like he was embodying it and if the shaman can control the dream When these people go into trance and they meet mother ayahuasca, which is presented as a giant snake Which you know maybe that's front-loading what the experience is supposed to look like because you've heard this before But usually they're given profound insights about their own life And that's kind of thing like my 40th birthday coming up. I'm like man. I want to

45:33 do that deep work while i still have time left on the planet. I don't want to do it at 80, what's the point? So I guess I would ask you what you think is happening in those experiences in the dream shamanism model Oh yeah, so I have participated in ayahuasca and experienced some things. And in my personal experience the first time I got done with that was like oh my god this allowed me to stay conscious through the dream cycle that was the thing I came back from. I saw Jesus, I saw trunk boat Rinpoche came and visited...I lost the ability to conceptualize time but I also came back from then said this is what we do every single night and which is don't remember it

46:15 And so that's the kind of personal conviction I would say around that. Again, it's a sort of shamanic. We would have to apply shamanic framework to understand what's happening in the ayahuasca experience and that's somewhat not troubling complex in this day and age because we as Westerners, as English-speaking Westerners are not connected to Shamanism in the way that someone who naturally would have Ayahuasca in their lives are connected to Shamanism so the experience is somewhat different for us because because we don't know how to necessarily relate with that. That's one of the reasons why I look to Dr. Jandhi's work, because I actually say he is a shaman! Our shamanic activity was not eradicated 2 000 years ago it was eradicated maybe 300 years ago or i'm not sure where it's at sort of thing so that's what I would say regarding ayahuasca Fair well what about

47:14 a person's ability to increase the frequency of the overlap between the dream world and physical, whether it's experiencing beings and then seeing things they're associated with in waking life like that kind of synchronicity or extracting some kind of thing from that realm to this one like the orb John D. apparently got or one of these metamaterials If I wanted to just validate this theory of dream shamanism, how would you suggest that I really increase the potency of that overlap? Increase the amount of dream experiences or dream beings that influence my waking life if i just think that would be fun to experience.

48:03 Yes, that's a wonderful question. So first and foremost every Western scholar I have read that has looked into dream shamanism says everyone is universally capable of accessing this space so that's the first thing i'll say it's like if you're not accessing this space something's off and generally it is a concept. I would track that back to a couple of things but that is around our capacity to engage with our own imagination, so one of the experiences I have as a hypnotist people will say okay I'm ready to be hypnotized I want to find out what happens and then we'll start doing the trance and we'll start talking about the contents of the experience and then they go hang on a second

48:48 I'm not in trance. My eyes aren't rolled back in my head and I'm still conscious, and this feels like I'm making it up." At that point I have to go, okay that's fine. This is how imaginal things speak to us through the imagination and so the capacity to set aside the rational judging mind of is this real or not? We have to set that aside in order to engage an imagination which may or may not be a big or little dream type thing, it may or may not deal with ontologically distinct individuals or entities, but it is our imagination and that's really meaningful. So I would say to start practicing this is really ground into the knowledge that as a human it is your birthright, it is our legacy

49:39 the wealth that is extracted from us by the deep state or whatever, our connection to that imagination. And so really claiming that is a lifetime journey I think. I'm on it and still discovering how insidious some of those things are that prevent us from imagining And then I would say just increasing dream recall, dream practices are the best way to explore this. When you work with dreams you'll end up working with the stranger aspects and there is an intelligence which is your intelligence determining what comes into your experience. And so the best ways to do that are mindfulness, I say the best ways are mindfulness and just remembering your dreams. So I have a sort of two-phase approach to everything one is this highly esoteric anomalous study stuff which is missing time body marks UFO and the other is the Dreamwell app which

50:36 My twin brother goes like, let's make it secular mainstream. He has been a data analyst for apps and is like you cannot talk about wild stuff like we are here in so That app is really designed to make all of these insights around how to dream well, how to be present and mindful. They're very simple. You don't need to use the app you can do any other app. Do mindfulness plus pay attention to your dreams but universe will guide you through that if you want to. Your listeners check out the app DreamWell learn how we suggest working with mindfulness and general awareness with your dreams

51:14 Just simply express the intention for the kind of shamanic aspects, this highly strange stuff to start happening and it will. Yeah I think that's a really great point because so often on this show we're talking about really epic things and then i say well i want this i want this to bleed over into my life what should i do? And oftentimes the advice is way less epic. It's really like asking intention, I mean even the phenomenon of lucid dreaming it's like well how do i have more lucid dreams people say we'll go around and every time you pass under a doorway knock on it and be mindful and say is this a dream or is this real? And eventually you will do that with muscle memory in an actual dream state me oh it is a dream! Then you will take off into a lucid dream so

52:03 A lot of time it is just asking or having the intention. I could say, I want metamaterial to appear on my desk from the dream world but how often have i really sat there and meditated on it? Never! So it's kind of weird to be like well here's how you do these epic things but then they just don't get done Yeah, you could think of almost like an analogy like our consciousness is a TV tuned to C-Span when there's all these other channels right there. Way more exciting channels than the mundane C-Span but we're just like no this is the real channel and these other channels are not real! And it's just like our Western perception but

52:48 I was thinking about all these concepts from your book and the phenomenon of body dysmorphia. There's a subreddit for Body Dysmorphia that i cross on my feed sometimes, and people will say do I have big ears or am I fat? And they're very much not! Their ears are very normal or they're not fat at all...and it's like yeah we can have have these perceptions of ourselves that are absolutely wrong or when people talk about doing magic to look better physically sometimes people interpret that as well you just did a spell to affect the way other people look at you rather than physically changing yourself you just kinda like

53:29 Tweets the way you're perceived into like now you're an eight instead of a six on this scale and so I think that is interesting like body dysmorphia as a way to look at general perceptions and The fact that what is real? Is the perception real or is the physical ears on your physical body real, or are they both not real You know And like is it just the way people see your ears because of the way you have obsessed about them or something like that What do you think? Yeah, so this ties into a little bit of the dream telepathy geometry and reality questions. So one of the things I look at with the Enochian magic and ET contact experience we go how is this actually real? I recently had that understanding that perhaps we're not moving towards the disclosure of these vast craft or whatever but

54:24 I go, what if the phenomena has been the phenomena all the way along? We've got records of it and it's not going to be any different than what we see. And then I go where are the records of actual encounters with humans and non-human intelligences? Well, it's with mathematicians, artists, politicians—people who create history and the artifacts of history, testify that they engage with non-human intelligences like things in their dreamscapes. Even Descartes Einstein, Niels Bohr all these scientists are like the dreams happen the beings happen and then they see the world differently so this is where the dysmorphia comes in there going

55:03 I can make sense of this world differently. That was my own experience looking at the world and I go, maybe the magic was just a tweak of my geometric intuition subtly enough that I could start seeing this world differently and Just to conclude that loop with the literature and Kit Green, Hal Puthoff, Meta Materials, Body Dysmorphia, Dream Telepathy. There's a paper that was written by Michael Ibsen and another gentleman... that said, what if we do SETI except by telepathy and dream telepathy? How would we know it was real. They cite the example of Pat Price, the project Stargate or whatever and they go okay, the way we would know this is real is if they could provide us mathematical insights beyond the capability of humans or at least the dreamer

55:55 And then we would know it's something else. The reason why I say this is really interesting is there's a footnote in that paper that says, we have to thank Hal Puthoff and Kit Green for their essential suggestions and contributions the idea of this paper. What is Hal Podov and Kit Green, who are associated with Meta Materials doing in the only peer-reviewed paper about telepathy and study? What's going on here. This happened 10 years ago like do they know something what's going on there? That's really interesting I've heard you talk about that paper before and it is worth being brought up no one ever really talks about that as far as I can tell

56:32 And it reminds me of that whole idea, so like you said the idea of how would we know it was real? Well, its very common with people who experience a lot of entities to say Do something in the physical so that I know that you are real and not just something in my imaginal realm. I've talked to occultists who have dialed up many different beings out of grimoires and stuff, and they say with enough experience, you just stop messing with the small time stuff or you say make a change in the physical world and they can't do it but then you run into beings that can sometimes

57:08 Like Tom Kenyon would say to this being, prove to me you're real. And then a little orb of light would show up and just go across his field of vision he'd be like oh shit well clearly you are real then or something it doesn't necessarily prove that if you could have done it yourself and it could be a manifestation that's just really really powerful generated... You're changing reality yourself basically through the mechanism of a third party but it is weird I don't have a real criticism of CE5. I've heard you talk about this before, but I have a criticism of Stephen Greer as a person. But CE5 does seem to be a thing

57:45 I don't find his branding of it to be all that special. It seems like what a lot of indigenous people do in natural outdoor settings all the time, but of it you have said look there's geometry and the sky that responds to human intention What more do you want for disclosure world? And I just thought that was just well worded. I agree why wait for governments to give you their narrative and the evidence they are supposedly withholding when you can have these experiences yourself. Absolutely, that's kind of where I'm at! That is also one of the arguments they use—the CE-5 human initiated contact experience—that is much more than Greer if you track back where it comes from. The Rama Network was involved he did participate with that so

58:36 It did not happen in a vacuum and you've accurately assessed where it's coming from. In this sense, we can actually set forth intentions for contact and remember intentions and then the world responds with fantastic beings in impossible physics—we see UFO craft that behave impossibly—and so the characteristic of fantastic beings, impossible physics telepathy and other things like that are dream-like qualities. So I say these things must be real because we're experiencing them at some level in the waking state, like the CE5 experience is really interesting because you go from waking into a shared ritual state without going to sleep or doing drugs and then you see stuff... You actually see stuff! They're not satellites there's something else is happening

59:25 and that beings sometimes show up telepathically in that kind of thing, or physically. I don't know. There's complexity there! But that shows to me that this world itself is something like a dream and if you were to practice reality checking for lucid dream-like intentions here in this state we would likely see the same kind of flexibility of reality we see in dream states only perhaps shifted up an octave. Yeah, I like that So obviously we're getting near the end of the line and will do the promotional stuff that we do but before that. Do you think we covered most of the major concepts that are important to across these two books in the general work you've done it will leave anything out

1:00:13 I think we did a really good job regarding the sense. I love this sense of simplicity in terms of the exploration where a lot of things that were talking about are complex, but we came to a point of coming into a sense of what can we do about this in our lives? Well let's just do something which is connect with ourselves as dreamers and people who can imagine and I think that's beautiful Agreed so i like to try to test things that never really works out sometimes i decide not to do it because im like well i don't want my life disrupted by entities or something but you know with you i feel way more comfortable i mean you just seem to go for it.

1:00:54 You have this connection to these celestial beings, you've written two books with them and I think you plan to do more work with them. I mean just...You mentioned that you have a third book in the works so i'm sure they had their hand on it but can you ask them to reach out to me in my dream? I'll give it a shot. That's one of the things dream people talk about, is like...I went to a dream conference last summer and people were like they do that sort of thing! People are practicing it. I'll give it a shot we'll do an experiment. Yeah try because there's going to be like a week or so between recording this net going up which is you know at least seven to ten nights of sleep so. Maybe u can have them try to contact me i mean i read the names of some of them in the work but i don't remember it'd be nice if there was something that came through like hey my name is this

1:01:48 Okay and then i'll email you be like does this make sense is this jive and you got ya that's exactly the entity or something maybe they tell me some kind of information about your life but i don't have and then i can give that to you when u can verify if thats true or not. you know, I tried this with Tom Kenyon and he was like no nothing came through. Well all right but let's try. Yeah so dream telepathy is interesting this is a dream telepathy experiment it's important to know that the dreaming mind speaks through images that are correspondences so this is going to be great training in Practical magic from about 700 years ago and beyond. So working with correspondences and associations, I mean sometimes they'll come in and be like here's the facts that you want. And sometimes they'll come in and they'll give images that are in a completely different octave of experience but it's the same thing happening. For example, the example I gave with Rahula who was associated with Doc Transmedium stuff

1:02:51 that for me was confirmed through the inner lining of a sport coat I was wearing. So, that is not verifiable objective proof, but for me it was personally meaningful. So in that way setting the expectation in terms of correspondence is yes as how often speaks and I'll do some ritual and stuff like that. Yeah And I'll even try to think in those kind of symbolic terms and I'll just try to have a lot of awareness of my surroundings and if anything sticks out as weird, I'll bring it up and It's a hard thing because like There are hawks that circle around.

1:03:31 all the time and so that would seem mundane to me but maybe the BNU channel has to do with Hawks and I might not make a connection, but i'll try to keep my eye out for things that seem a little unexpected in the environment. And hope something connects Do you have any more advice on MY side of what I should do to TRY to receive this message? Assuming this is like a game of telephone You to them Them to ME All connections have to work So, what should I do to be ready to receive a message? Yeah. The best way to do that is to practice dreaming well! You can download my app and learn how to remember your dreams by going through the first journey and then doing the journal. It's a little bit of a plug but to be honest like i've spent so much time with this app and I really do believe in it and I say this is how you can do that

1:04:25 The reason why I say that is because we oftentimes do not have the skill of recognizing a transpersonal dream when it happens. Even precognitive dreamers go, I had no idea it was precognitive until after the fact so they develop the practice of recording their dreams and taking action on their dreams first and then they get confirmation that some of their dreams are objectively prophecies or whatever. So in that way My recommendation for you is to practice some mindfulness using whatever technique is meaningful to you, that go into a receptive state. So this has to be meaningful to you as mindfulness. You can't really do it wrong. You can just use your imagination to be open right? And then when you wake up over the next week or so, you can record your dreams and feelings upon waking and then from that there's enough information

1:05:23 Generally, in my experience you'll know it's a message. It may not be what we expect when I ask for verifiable proof or whatever like you are doing now they always trick me that's how i ended up writing three books! I wanted some simple answer and they're still tricking me and it's still moving me forward so when Open to that invitation. Just know you're opening to that." I've worked with clients in this way where I've invited them to have a dream or message, and generally 60%-70% happens. I feel vulnerable in going into this experience of saying, yeah, I'll do this! They feel vulnerable and silly, and that's okay. If nothing happens, that's okay because the world we're in is still magical and dreamlike. Yes.

1:06:14 The dream well out clearly i gotta get it always be closing you know capitalism is the name of the game you stuck to land in there daniel i like it but yes dream well its available on both cell phone services operating systems and people should get it I mean, I've looked at the marketing for and looks like a really well made app so. I will do that and hopefully some message comes through all talk about it in the wrap up it will or won't but also tell people about that D-Steady website, the books. Let's finish up with all the other plugs." Oh wonderful! So yeah the dsteady website that stands for The Dream Search For Extraterrestrial Intelligence or Dream Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence it is dsteady.org I put all my research papers there and all of the books Everything i do is offered by donation generally after the fact Or if its a digital download you can do it beforehand

1:07:09 I offer sessions based on shamanic dream work practices, the theories that put forward. I am trained as a hypnotist. I use that model but understood as dream work to offer missing time regression like experiences all that starts with you get to know some of my content. You go to the website and contact me via email or consultation form we set up a time to talk that's completely free and No donation expectation. We talk about your stories, we get into it then we might schedule a session to do that work all of that information is dsteady.org but once again the Dreamwell app you've spent the Christmas break sort of redoing the onboarding experience so if you run into any hiccups or

1:07:56 Or if it's not so super pretty yet, just know we're rolling out updates this week and next week. Things are changing because we really want to meet people where they're at and bring them into this very simple awareness that mindfulness intentions, attitudes and dream practices are really beneficial in this sort of universal way. And that's the thing I would really love for your audience to do even if they're very connected with the missing time notions or the book of galactic light is to really explore their own connection with their own dreaming life. That's the thing that I care most about because I can be wrong about UFOs. I can be wrong about Inokian magic but I know

1:08:37 Dreaming a little bit more will bring so much beauty into this world and we really need that. So, that's the call to action I want to end with. Sure sure! And also people can check out the books on the website and Amazon. That's important too Absolutely, yeah. dseti.org slash books I've got the books Missing Time Found Book of Galactic Light and some other illustrated prose poems they're on Amazon so you can look for it there or if you don't like Amazon they're just on the website dseti.org slash books Love it. Well, I think you are on to something with the relationship between dream states and high strangeness There's no doubt that many high strangeness experiences happen at night or when we are in bed or near our bed in isolation even driving where these things tend to happen too can be a trance like experience We call it highway hypnosis ding-ding-ding You know It's right there so...I like it

1:09:38 Is there anything else to say about what's next for you in this collaboration with Celestial Beings? What do they want you to do next, maybe even after this third book. This is very vulnerable to me or makes me really nervous but they really want me to go... Good! I know right?! Galathog Le Gray's book too, Field Guide To Anomalous Geometry 200 pages that's where i'm directly working with Bud Hopkins' legacy David Jacobs' legacy, and also the disinformation around UAP disclosure. I'm really taking that head on in my collaboration with these beings.

1:10:18 They've revealed to me how the mechanisms of so-called UAP disclosure in the mainstream circus is unfolding. In part, that identification of a geosynchronous satellite that is now termed as the final sighting of the UFO God by Bledsoe. This is like major unfolding of this media circus and it's really disheartened me to see the reaction of his team and the so-called government scientists around that, to not really take up this identification as a geosynchronous satellite. So for me, this ties with this whole legacy of Bigelow associated... This is conspiracy theory stuff but I'm really going to take a lot of that around Hopkins, Leslie Kane

1:11:11 Bigelow and just sort of look at it, and then focus in on how we can transmute whatever's happening and cut through that to the dreaming experience. So again meeting people where they're at because we are indoctrinated and we need to be led from that indoctrination to this more open kind of inquiry. And that's really what they want me to do. It makes me feel nervous actually just talking about it Yeah, because I mean it seems like they want you to be the joker archetype of ufology and just burn it all down. That's right! All of our heroes and idols will be just torched at the feet of your third book which I look forward to reading but...I'm glad we could do this again apologize for dropping the ball for such a long time but It's even better because it just jives so well with recent interviews with Diana Pasolka and Tom Kenyon

1:12:03 Gary lockman which really wasn't that reason but it was about dreams and has made me think about dreams as more important. And i have had a past life regression and, it was very dreamlike the only difference is like the ability to remember because you're in between state between dreaming awake so yeah who knows how to make sense of this stuff but dreaming is important and Given this timing, I'd say there's a lot of little THC synchronicities tying in threads of these people I just mentioned. But I guess a wizard is never late and appears exactly when he's meant to and you are some kind of dream wizard but thanks for taking the time and for doing the work! I hope we can do it again sometime but take care out there! Yeah thank you! You too

1:12:52 The Dream Wizard himself, people! And thanks Flophouse Jr. once again for that intro song it felt the most dream-like so a good way to set the tone How about it though? I thought this was really interesting Again, I've got to apologize to Daniel for keeping him on the back burner for so long He followed up with me plenty and I just kept putting it off Obviously I had a lot of life changes going on and Daniel's not the only person who has been reaching out to tell me about their work, and we're still waiting for that show to manifest. But i'm really glad it came when it did because his book Missing Time Found is really good! And he's just an interesting character in this space When I listen to his arguments It all just seems so simple and obvious

1:13:41 We've all heard a wide range of high strangeness encounters and abduction stories, and what are some of the big things we can say about them? Well... The range of beings that people encounter is so bizarre and diverse that they can't really be conventional animals or humanoids because the range is too great. Giant worms, mothmen, winged owl men, reptilians, mantid sea monsters And of course the ones that are more common like little fairy people and the greys. But I think it's safe to say if this was some kind of invasion or just beings from a parallel reality there would be a more consistent standard to what they are in dreams though anything can manifest it doesn't matter how weird it is and missing time again sleep is the biggest source of that like he said

1:14:35 But what happens when we experience high trauma or something we can't deal with? We tend to black out, or pass out. We always hear that these things happen at night, around our bed, or in isolation. Night driving can be very trance-like and really now that we know the brain can produce DMT in the pineal all bets are off! Anything can happen any time really So I think he's hovering right over the target and if you listen to the second half with Gordon in January, He said the same thing. Shamanism is the model that can hold everything. Ufology is kind of still trying to hold on to materialism and not address the bigger questions about life and reality itself What sort of reality can these things happen in?

1:15:28 So I think the exciting way to think about it is that we've put so much emphasis on our wavelength as the real reality and everything else is somehow fake or less real. But like we said, every dream feels... As real as anything until the trigger event of waking up! So until that point were very much under the impression its all real You hear yogis and shamans say life is fundamentally God's dream And yeah, maybe it is. Maybe it's that simple and it actually explains a lot Our baseline reality is very persistent and convincing But how could magic work in that reality? Even if manifestation and sigil magic barely moves the needle In terms of the law of attraction Barely is still something! So it seems like this baseline reality is very thick

1:16:20 but it can be molded a small amount with magical techniques and prayer, and that stuff we've discussed as scientifically tested in previous episodes. So if you stop resisting the idea that waking reality is just a more convincing dream or one with a longer arc then so many other things make sense so I like it In the plus show we got into his other work, the Enochian work, the geometric communication with non-human intelligence. And we got into his work in the Smithsonian and the architectural history database a few other fun things you know the drill become a member if you want to hear more

1:17:07 Also, Daniel and I have been in contact regarding some sort of dream contact on my end but i never did get a solid hit. There was one day where I was picking up food for the family and I was actively thinking hey look out for signs And as I walked through the parking lot I actually ran into someone that I had met before! And I know like a dozen people in Florida so that's pretty rare already But this guy has an interesting name A rare name And it did just feel very coincidental to run into him while actively looking for signs. But I can't say anything more than that really came through, always worth trying though!

1:17:49 As for the last episode with Tom Kenyon, people seem to dig it. 4.8! That is what I like to see. I was surprised how many commenters were familiar with Tom already but i think that's good anyone who was familiar with him said they got a lot of value from his insights and his channeling and have been a fan for a long time And I knew it would be a bit out there for some people...and I know these two back-to-back are somewhat similar But I guess I'm coming around to the conclusions that have been here the whole time. The Harptones told us life is but a dream in 1955, about time we listen right? Also I find it interesting that in Dave Chappelle's latest special he referred to people who are living their best lives and accomplishing their goals as powerful dreamers

1:18:39 Maybe that's meant literally and maybe there is more we can do to increase our dream potency. That would be the next step after just accepting this is the situation we're in I also wanted to answer some questions about the YouTube channel on the video clips so YouTube recently started allowing people to upload their podcast RSS feed entirely, and I thought sure I'll do it Maybe a few new people will find THC this way And that was a lapse of judgment. Huge mistake because it just got me two strikes and a two week timeout, and if I get another strike between now in April, I just lose the channel entirely shouldn't have done that. But it is what it is on back now and I'm going to get the backlog of clips going out this week

1:19:26 Not that big of a deal, but it is weird to say hey check out the video clips from these episodes and then not have any posted. It's not just me being lazy they put me in timeout sorry But that said let's do the meetup calendar thing and call it in maybe you can tell I'm a little under-the-weather I'm just in a difficult phase with these kids where The youngest one is teething and not sleeping through the night, and the other one is waking up at 5.30 every morning so this too shall pass but many many sleep deprived nights in a row equals not feeling optimal But as for the meetups we got on deck

1:20:10 February 13th, Washington DC. Don't leave our man hanging! Nobody came last month when he tried to do this and we want him to have a successful meetup. February 17th London at the Monkey Puzzle. February 20th Nashville Tennessee Monday Night Brewing. February 29th Denver Gets Higher Leap Year Edition That's another somewhat recurring event March 1st, Sequel California and March 8th Columbus Ohio. And we'll leave it there but if you want more details about any of these if you live near hop on highersidemeetups.com and RSVP for our hosts who have put themselves out there let them know what to expect I should say also got a few photos recently from two different successful meetups and that was nice to see

1:21:03 But I guess that's it. I hope you forgive me for this wrap-up being a little short, but... ...I also hope you guys are doing well out there! I know it's turbulent times and I've been hearing some really sad stories lately from colleagues from potential guests that had to cancel, from family just all over the place. I'm hearing little sad stories and it just makes you appreciate life a little bit more if nothing really sad is happening for you and iIm a very fortunate person to be doing this for my job big thanks to all the plus members

1:21:42 I hope this show maybe not this in particular episode but the whole and aggregate. Archive of THC helps you navigate reality better cuz that is the goal if you're feeling lonely at all we do have to meet up calendar as we just ran through those events but thats a good way too remedy that situation there is a loneliness epidemic they say But regardless, thank you for listening. Take care of you and yours I'm getting out of here Your move Dreamweavers Reality script writers and entities from the deep Your fucking move When you see weird lights outside your door Something sits on your chest when you sleep It might be a pattern You've been through before

1:22:38 Or you might have those screen memories Darling wait till we get some proof. We'll make them see and baby I Try the camera right? I'm not crazy People can't get free from mysterious grace It's getting just a bit out of hand

1:23:18 We really just want to get back on with our days Don't care about pirating plan So honey now, don't walk into the skinny arms No they came from the sky from out of the stars Place something on my beating heart Maybe this damn life is too bizarre I can tell when they're gone cause my memories fade But we know that it's not just a dream Cause they never put me back exactly the same way And the pain is as real as the scream Honey our holes might be the hole, oh Our sense of theme

1:24:36 The higher side chats is covered all that we're breaking free People can't get free from Mrs. Grace It's getting just spit out We really just want to get back on with our days Don't care about the hybrid in plan But oh

1:25:17 Don't walk into their skinny arms No, they came from the sky From out of the stars Play something on my beating heart I'm shouting it loud Baby this damn life is too bizarre So honey now Don't walk into their skinny arms

1:26:17 Know they came from the sky, from out of the stars Play something on my beating heart I'm shouting out, oh baby this damn life is too bizarre Honey i think we're on some kind of fall Baby this damn life is too bizarre