Corey Eib & Todd McGreevy | Agenda 31, Article IV State Citizenship & The Federal Fraud

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00:42 Alright people, we know the past is paved with high trickery from the shadowy elite and when we really examine the history and legal framework of America you can learn a lot about how a nation that was once positioned to be a haven for freedom and independence was slowly sucked back into the clutches of what many called the triple crown controllers. And that freedom and independence was replaced by a system of never-ending certificates, licenses and identification more appropriate for processing cattle. Instituted by a tyrannical Trojan horse federal government that was never supposed to be the all encompassing iron fisted authority it is today. Maybe we share some responsibility in that exchanging our freedoms for constant need ask permission allowing ourselves to be regulated numbered and reduced property of the state without much second thought

01:27 Well, today's guests Corey Ibe and Todd McGreevey have been working together to unravel the legalese and untangle the tyranny surrounding this subject for several years now. Having hit it off at the Constitutional Sheriff and Peace Officers Association National Convention in 2012 they formed the show Common Sense Revisited which has now become Agenda 31 which you can hear at agenda31.org as well as following The No Agenda Show at thenoagendastream.com There they break down a lot of what we're going to talk about today, as well as follow Corey's personal journey putting much of what he has learned about these subjects into practice. As he personally fights the good fight against the agents of the system here in California. Two guys know a helluva lot more about this than me. Corey and Todd welcome to The Higher Side!

02:10 Thanks thank you great to be on greg of course thanks so much for being here guys you know i tried to navigate that intro without saying anything too inaccurate or contradictory because this stuff can be quite technical when you get into the details and i think i've covered some subjects like this in the past with guests like jordan maxwell and kate of gaia But still, this is a little different and you both made it very clear to me that we're not talking about the sovereign citizen stuff here. In this case we're talking about being a citizen of one of the several states and I think we should probably kick this off by explaining that difference and why it's so valuable and important to you guys

02:48 Take it away, Corey. Yeah a state citizen is what I refer to the term citizen that references article four of the constitution or the term citizen as it's used in Article 4 Sovereign citizen, first off that term is just contradictory. It's like calling somebody a king subject it just is...it's contradictory in terms and itself but the real error in that whole kind of theory of sovereign citizenship Is in my opinion there's no legal mechanism to bind the government to offer you any protections if your claiming

03:24 some status that's outside of the Constitution. And the idea of being a state citizen is what the framers put the whole constitution together with that whole idea, that there are citizens of the several states and through history and just a myriad Small changes, you know kind of like a frog in a pot just slowly turning up the heat over 120 years of the government constantly pushing people towards a new type of citizenship that was never even contemplated by the framers and that's a national citizenship guaranteed by the 14th amendment.

04:04 The idea is if you're a 14th Amendment citizen, that really is the problem. You don't have any real standing to make the government really do much of anything and when comparing what was the status of citizens of several states compared with what the status is of US citizens I find it much more advantageous to restrain government by maintaining state citizenship. Yeah, federal citizenship is the problem I used to share with friends and family. I've never voted for a Democrat or Republican president in my life that voted in many elections are should say the birth record has voted in many elections. I have not been part of the problem you people are part of the problem keep electing these

04:48 these puppets, I now have shifted to that's all just a huge distraction. That the election means nothing at the federal level it is just total waste of our time whereas what the problem is with regards how the ills of our society manifest themselves because we are US citizens or federal citizens And that means that you have elected as a raising your hands when you get the birth record is assigned to you, when you go to public school. When you sign up for a student loan, when you get a driver's license, when you register to vote all of these applications are requiring you to raise your hand and say I am a US citizen and that raising of the hand consenting to that federal status

05:30 you're leaving behind your article for state citizen status and you're saying i'm gonna step over here and move myself into federal hood. And in that situation, you have abdicated your ability to have the Bill of Rights enforced. That's what we primarily deal with. The reason I am so enamored with what Cory has been doing is he's walking the talk In California, which is one of the largest leviathans in the world. The state of california And for corey to be able to achieve what he's done in california Speaks just massive volumes that he's on to something something very powerful and important and that's why I Work with cory so much because I want to see him succeed well

06:13 Well said yeah it is an interesting saga will definitely get into one more thing about the sovereign citizen thing that i think you actually were the one who shared with me a little interview where its becoming apparent that law enforcement are getting very wise and also very hostile towards people invoking what they hear from these sovereign citizen speakers out there right Absolutely. It was probably two, two and a half years ago Sheriff Chief Bob Powder to P-A-U D-E-R-T in West Memphis Arkansas just on the other side of Tennessee came to Scott County Iowa to give training session for law enforcement about the dangers of sovereign citizens and I went to that event it was pretty fascinating actually

06:57 I had seen Chief Powder on 60 Minutes. He was featured because his son was murdered roadside at a road stop by some so-called sovereign citizens and if you look into that, there's a whole story thread there. The video doesn't really show him getting killed but I'm sure he died but whether or not who shot him, I am not sure even Chief Powder verbally acknowledge that to me when I spoke to him when he was here in Scott County. And the Southern Poverty Law Center pretty much preyed upon the Powder family's tragedy and recruited him as a spokesperson for training of law enforcement, of the dangers of sovereign citizens and I went to this event

07:36 I do you really want to go into this because it's, I mean it's not. You can cut this if you wanted to. It's up to you but give us the cliff notes at least well I'll try and give you the clip does because it's fascinating. in the room and of course I'm waiting to be escorted out. I'm surrounded by FBI agents, all kinds of people TSA, Sheriff Police, 150 people from all over the Midwest here for this guy and there's a booklet on the table and in the booklet it has a page of the most dangerous organizations and on that is listed We The People Foundation And I am very familiar with We The People Foundation. I worked with them closely in 2009 for Congress named Bob Schultz as a dangerous individual

08:17 So at the break, none of the cops wanted to talk to Powder. And he came right up to me and talked to me and we spoke about that and I said why do you have these guys listed as dangerous? He's like yeah, I know that's what the Southern Poverty Law Center wanted to do it You know so anyway The reason they didn't bring all this up Is that powder was sharing with everybody there that you know the people that are availing themselves of the Constitution trying to say that they have no authority these are dangerous people when I tried to share with him was those of us who were studying the Constitution or not necessarily all dangerous and he goes, I agree with you. The federal government's completely out of control and so forth anyway. I don't know where it went with that sorry. No, it's okay but

08:57 Yeah, that's an interesting side note to this guy's crusade against sovereign citizens is that perhaps there was manipulation emotional manipulation on the part of the death of his son does send him off on this crusade. I mean you can't be sure but you do have to question everything manipulation can exist any step of the way whether or not there was manipulation clearly they got Crusader for their campaign i also want to ask you about the name your show agenda thirty one where'd you get that name obviously it is a play off of agenda twenty one for those who know that right correct. It's also not too the thirty-one hundred plus counties better in the country

09:38 And that's one of the things i really like todd came up with this i read that's one of the things that i think is really important to show and, into the success of being able to adopt a legal strategy of employing state citizenship is recognizing the significant power in the original form of government that was at the local level and that something that time i both. You really find incredibly important to get into the psyche of people to understand how the system actually functions and that helps you identify the difference between the federal and state citizenship in jurisdictions. People don't engage enough locally is the challenge, they're filled with distractions at national elections

10:22 And originally when we started Agenda 31, we wanted to have the Fodor's Guide or the Zagat Guide to Liberty. Meaning like wouldn't it be great if you could come to a website and type in like well I want to see what is the freest county in America? And what are the criteria? Well, it could be everything from do they fluoridate the water supply. Do you get to know who your grand jury is in that county to are you taxed to collect your rainwater in that county? You know what's the status of freedom in that county and we had kind of envisioned this concept access a database of 3,100 plus counties across America. So we've shifted it into we hope to have an article for state citizen in each and every county across America that would be 3100 plus state citizens and that would be a starting point for something significant

11:15 Right on. This kind of ties into that, but I've heard you guys say on your show that a fundamental question behind agenda 31 is how do you identify yourself? Or am I letting the government define me as they see fit and I don't think this crosses the minds of most Americans very often at all but elaborate on why these are important questions for people to reflect on Using a birth record, which is kind of the fundamental document to every engagement you have with government on a personal level. When you get your driver's license before you can get a driver's license, you have to go down to the county recorder's office and get a certified copy of a birth record and in California that birth record, the original that has your mom's wedding signature on it, that's up at the Department of Public Health in Sacramento

12:08 And so you're getting a certified copy of their property, which is a person who is protected under the 14th Amendment. But the nature of that person if you look at it very carefully and I encourage everybody get a copy of your birth certificate out and look at it really closely. Look at the title that they gave your mom on mine It says signature of informant and look up the definition of what informant means And my interpretation of the birth record is it's created in such a way that it will guarantee you 14th Amendment rights, if you want to call them rights. But it guarantees you access to citizenship under the 14th Amendment while simultaneously preventing you from citizenship in the several states and that's because the laws in the several states are very different from what we're familiar with today there's nobody alive today

13:02 can recollect what it was like to live under a state that operates as a Republican form of government and operates under common law. So, a lot of the things we see today that we might think well that's no big deal who cares if on the birth record my mom used her maiden name rather than my dad's family name? Well in these common law states which are several states That's a very important subject. We also talk about the lowest risk, highest reward. That's one of our themes and we ask people to ask themselves what risk are you willing to take for what reward? And we assert that if you're concerned about your freedoms, if you're concerned about the overreach of the tyrannical government whether it is at the federal level or down to your county or state level which are all subsidiaries of the feds by the way. If you're concerned about that well rather than just complain about it do something and we assert that the first step is to identify yourself

14:01 on your own terms, not on the government terms. And that simply means making your own common law ID And that was Corey's term. He called it a common ID, we're shifting towards calling it an Article 4 state citizen ID but that is an effort to say this is who I am and I am asserting or averring that I'm a state citizen as of the year that this state entered the union when the Constitution was first formed for that state whether its in Tennessee or Georgia or California or Kentucky wherever it might be It means you need to go look up the history of the state you live in. Means you have to do a little work, that should be pretty low risk. Look at your state constitution when it was oh turns out there were five constitutional conventions before the current one was ratified

14:49 that the state is claiming that they're operating under. That's why we say there are 50 ways to skin this cat, each state can have its own history so we don't propose to know every states' history, we can only deal with where we live go make your own common law ID and we say we are domiciled in Kerrys case California 1849 and my case Iowa 1846 that our assertion or verment of states citizenship that we are operating under that rule of law where that was a constitution that was passed when The state was entered into the union by that compact of states which make up the federal government and you can't make your own common law ID then you're really just kind of just, you know, pissing in the wind. Yeah yeah

15:30 Yeah, my common law ID is by far the most important document I have. Out of anything that if I were to lose everything and for my house burned down and all the documents went away The very first thing I would do is make another article for citizen ID for myself that that is the basis of everything as far as who I am and what the status is. Todd's used his to travel on aircraft, get through TSA. I've used mine to cross the border. I've used it to enter into federal buildings. It is...I've used it to cash money orders at the post office

16:08 It is a valid document that is a highly important thing. That really, if you're buying it from somebody else... There's a lot of people that put websites up that say they'll sell you... There's another guy out there who is claiming he's selling common law IDs. If somebody else was creating the ID for you then in my opinion, it's worthless because It's something that you have to claim yourself. And if you have somebody else make it for you and you don't understand why it is created the way it is based on your own research or your own knowledge, then you're going to have a hard time defending it. The name of the game is I say I am the person who has identified on my Article 4 citizenship ID

16:55 I go about when Iím in a contest with the government defending that thatís who I am. Their job is to get me to say or put me in a position where I am their property which is the birth record and thatís why itís so important to have that common law idea and itís not either-or, you can actually have both. but to achieve any type of restriction on the government, it's only an Article 4 citizen. So somebody could kind of make their own... It's fun and it's actually really kinda neat! You can make your own ID keep your driver's license and kinda learn how this works Make your own ID and go to the post office purchase a money order And then send it to somebody else who has a similar ID We talk about using the authority of the 37th Congress in doing this example

17:43 where you can mail a letter for two cents if it's local or three cents if it's out of town and the person on the other end, they could take that money order and take it to the post office and cash it with a common law ID. And now you've just completed a circle of a very primitive form of common law banking that is available to us in the country and what's interesting is I think Bernie Sanders has mentioned that we should be able to do additional banking at the post office recently. Yeah, this stuff is really fascinating because it's...I guess to clarify, we're talking about two parallel governments and over the years it seems like we've just been kind of slowly led to believe that there's only one and it's the federal government and that's the rule of law and you're under their thumb and don't even think about anything else but I guess

18:29 Some of the old forms of government that were state specific are actually still in place, just kind of more covert and hidden. Is that kinda the gist here? Yeah! That's exactly it. This jurisdiction exists as an entire playing field And that is a playing field that the framers of the country originally intended all citizens to be When they created Washington DC after the mutiny of the Pennsylvania line which is just a fascinating story That's how we ended up with a Washington, D.C., they never intended for Washington, D.C to have citizens and if you were to tell the framers today that the entire country is basically a U.S citizen I think they would find it... How in the world were they able to do that? Because in the original there was such separation between citizens of a state and federal government but the two governments as you mentioned there's one government that's kind of hidden

19:26 Well, there's always been two parallel governments in every state. As soon as a state entered the union then within the borders of that state immediately began to operate the jurisdiction and authority of the federal government so things like the authority to coin money no longer is something that the state could do once it joined the union. And that was a jurisdiction that is granted to the federal government and of course in California, right up near San Francisco there was a I'm not sure if they still operate but there was a mint that I have a few coins that were minted from that mint when California was operating off its 1849 constitution

20:07 But if you were a citizen and you began to counterfeit money for any reason, that would be federal authority. And you could absolutely be prosecuted by the feds and those two governments operated in your state but at the time when we're talking about when the state first entered the union it was very easy to tell the difference between somebody who was a federal authority and somebody who was a state authority. And in California, if you're a federal employee of any kind you're not allowed to hold state office right that's right in the 1849 Constitution so the feds which were operating right within your state You didn't have to worry if the feds had their own citizens they were only employees of the government

20:51 Well, after the 14th Amendment that portion of government which had always been there. That portion of government began to have citizens of its own and they were from Washington DC And then the government found it to be very easy over a very short period of time after the 14th Amendment, to get people to participate in activities that would make them think that they are altering or adjusting their own state. But in reality, in my opinion, they were just participating in a big magic show. The magician got the audience to say abracadabra and out comes the rabbit which is a new constitution here in California

21:28 But it had nothing to do with what the audience, you know participating. It was all just a game in my opinion The federal government doesn't need a vote to create a constitution the Constitution that California operates under right now which is the 1879 Constitution is an administrative government and its headquarters are located in Washington DC And I send letters to local officials via the headquarters in Washington, D.C., just to demonstrate that difference in jurisdiction." Yeah, that's such an important point! I've heard you guys mention on the show that on paper being a federal employee doesn't allow you to participate in state government and that is one explanation for why the federal government expands so much right?

22:16 Well, there's the Constitution was built in such a way that you have the states and its population adversaries with the federal government. And what the federal government has been able to do is just kind of manage all of that, make the states just be empty by voluntary consent and they're able to maintain plausible deniability on why these states are empty. There's nobody withstanding who's been able to bring a case that is able to invoke the substantive rights associated with being an Article 4 citizen. It escapes me right now Todd but what was the name of that case with the sheriff?

22:55 With a mac v prints me yeah sorry i'm going to be united states. Yeah gotcha p r i n t z and at the same time sheriff richard mack was involved in their cases got collapsed into into the same one and then you bring that up corny is, Well, the Justice Thomas who is very well known for saying very little. He wrote a concurring opinion and in that concurring opinion from the position of being an Article 4 citizen to me it's just the federal court screaming for somebody to bring this authority of several states to resist the federal government

23:38 Right on. So you guys have touched on several things that I want to get into deeper, but on the common law ID how exactly do we go about making one for ourselves? And you talked about some of its benefits but a lot of those benefits are also things that you can do with a typical driver's license or federal id what's the benefit of going with this second system and and how exactly do we make that idea for ourselves if we're interested I think one of the biggest benefits is that it's training yourself to be self-determined. It's retraining your synapses in your brain, it's exercising your Article 4 state citizenship by using it. I mean, I'll go to Best Buy electronic store to get a cell phone for my employees and they want to see a driver's license and I say well here's my ID or where's your driver's license? Well this is my ID

24:33 And then it just starts a dialogue about what we're talking about and they finally go, okay. Because really they don't need a driver's license they just needed some identification! Right? You start a dialogue with people about these respective concepts and until you are talking about this stuff people won't even think about it That is one benefit of using it The other benefit I can think of is that it is proof positive actions you have taken, behavior you have exhibited that you are averring AVERING your state citizenship. You're not identifying yourself as government property or identifying yourself with a given name and family name. You're not identifying yourself with the first name and last name because those identifications are labels and attributes that the government owns via birth record

25:18 And so you have to walk the talk. It's not easy, you know? You get your genitals felt up at the airport when you visit. You get a special pat down because you didn't have GovCoID but it... You're standing upright. Is that trade-off worth it? I guess that's the big question because it seems kind of like semantics to have this second ID especially if it's gonna bring in more increased scrutiny because you know I'm fighting against the clock here we have limited time on this earth and i want my interactions with the system to be as minimal as possible and maybe that sounds like nails on a chalkboard do you guys are actually trying to do much more but oh, I like minimal involvement

26:05 Well, yeah right of course. I just mean i can understand how it might be frustrating for people doing the hard work you're doing to hear someone like me say that I don't know if I feel that its worth it but I have to ask you is that trade off really worth it? You know Greg I think from looking at it from a different point-of-view big picture it is worth it it. When you aver Article 4 citizenship versus being a citizen or resident of one of the administrative states, there's a huge difference in responsibility for the federal government. Those administrative states have no guarantee to exist. There is nothing that absolutely guarantees they can exist. They're there if they are profitable for the overlords

26:47 However, the Article 4 state is guaranteed a Republican form of government. In fact in a court case Texas v White part of what the court attributed the authority of the Civil War to be prosecuted by the North was based on the Southern states having become rebellious and that they had an obligation to guarantee a Republican form of government to those states So, now what would happen? Think about it. If we had a system where these states were the dominant authority rather than Washington DC to be the dominant authority the benefit is just amazing for example in California if you own a corporation and that corporation does something illegal

27:29 The principles of that corporation are responsible for the behavior of the company as if they were doing this themselves. Unlike the current corporations we have now where there's nobody responsible for the behavior of these corporations, that's one huge benefit as a people that we can absolutely demand without any question that the state be run properly and that the people be guaranteed Article 4 citizenship. If there's fewer and fewer customers that are in the administrative form of government under the 14th Amendment, then it will starve this leviathan that we're all resisting against. So I think cumulatively Greg if you were to take the easy road because you're absolutely right...I don't think there is anything that i can say

28:19 that makes it easier to travel around without a driver's license, without plates on the car and having a common law ID. There is not really anything I can say right now is of huge benefit so for the people who are deeply concerned about what kind of world we're going to leave our grandkids We're trying to right the mistakes of our great grandparents and the financial system, the unsecure money supply, the elastic money supply that is allowed to operate because the states are not there to give competition to it. And the states for example California or any of the several states they're not allowed to use fiat currency. They must pay their bills in gold and silver.

29:00 And if we have gold and silver that is being circulated by employees who work for these several states, then that would put a fantastic restraint on the government's ability to or the Federal Reserve's ability to just print unlimited numbers of Federal Reserve notes because there would be a competing currency that would be circulating. So, for the people who are at the tip of the spear. I know Todd going through the airport it's not fun getting your nuts grabbed because you're using a common law ID and i can tell you it is not fun getting pulled over and having your car towed but uh... it does give me the standing to be able to hit back as hard as i possibly can using the authority of an article four citizen domiciled in one of the states

29:48 as defined in Article 4. So it's more of a big picture benefit, long-term benefit for people who are interested in preserving freedom, preserving form of government that is much more stable than we currently have. The 1849 government is very difficult to change It's very difficult for politicians to make wild changes to it like we currently have in our constitution where, you know anybody a union who can afford to get 500 000 signatures can put something on the ballot add a few million bucks to it and have a constitutional change right away. Where there isn't the time to be able to for people to understand what that change is going to be? It's all just lies that they tell whereas in the old form of government

30:33 That republic is incredibly stable for the politicians to make a change it requires a time period that involves them getting reelected before that change occurs and there's a reason why there was hardly any changes to it. And it's a government that works much better for the people rather than the current system where everybody works for the federal government That makes sense. It really does and solid answer too because there is really not going to be a victory over the system without some sacrifice, without some inconvenience and to be on the front lines of that fight is a noble thing especially when so many people are distracted don't even realize it's happening uh...it can be probably pretty frustrating to feel those things on personal level when the greater population is just completely ignorant but

31:25 Todd, I wanted to ask you a little bit more about flying because flying is one of the most document heavy and regulated activities that a person in America can go through especially in a post 9-11 world. To say that you actually got onto a plane with one of these common law IDs...I mean this does something to kind of show that there's validity to this type of identification how did that play out where you actually flew without a federal ID? That probably shocked some people Well, I have to give credit where credit's due. Phil Mosek is the first one to investigate this and walk the talk. He didn't use a common ID he just didn't have any ID and i believe he's from New Mexico but was flying in Seattle And if you just look up MOCEK, there are whole videos about him out there...and he took it to a court hearing and it was proven in court that there is no requirement to have a government issued id at the checkpoint

32:20 So, I've offered my common law ID just as a courtesy to start the dialogue of who I say I am. And just, you know, let's deal with me. What do you technically what they have to do is the TSA just has to determine that you are not on the list? The so-called terrorist lists That's their technical empirical mandate for for the checkpoint to pass through which is folly on its surface because when you win when the plane ticket is put in the name of the passenger the system can check that right away I already know that here comes somebody who's on our list. Let's set them aside and grill them, but if it's not on the list why am i being talked to? And this is the travesty of the checkpoint at TSA is that if everybody showed up and said screw you we're not showing an ID they would shut down the airlines. The airlines would be livid. The airports wouldn't have any revenue. They would go away

33:17 So it isn't really about a common law ID that got me through, it was just that I refused to use a government issued ID. And when I handed it to them on my way outward—I was going to visit Corey actually—I was flying out of a small airport out in Illinois and the audio's on our…they were like you don't have a government? I said this is my identification and all fairness he said well do you have anything else? I've got a business card, I've got a Costco card...oh a Costco card okay! So that checked the box for him corporate america you still have to get it and technically thats probably working for him because to get a costco card.

33:56 You typically have to show a driver's license it always goes back to that original application for who you say you are. And thats the thread they probably followed if you will to check a box but nonetheless i was still given an enhanced pat down and set aside, what there is no big bells and whistles there was no freak out session i was probably took me seven minutes to get through instead of two Yeah, so it wasn't like it was a big crisis. And I just think people should avail themselves of more often imagine if all the Bernie Sanders followers decided to fly decided not use government issued ID and which is

34:36 I've talked to TSA people, i've been in meetings with the airport that where I live here is the head of all training for all TSA in Illinois except for Cook County except for Chicago area between every other TSA agent from Illinois and so they have some you know high ups here and morning meetings because I actually sell the advertising at this airport here. And I go to these monthly meetings in this guy sitting there and he says out loud but there was a concern with the business community that are Illinois driver's license going to be accepted at the checkpoint because of the National ID Act kind of on the rise. That still kinda being pushed behind-the-scenes and there is scuttlebutt about it." And he said, oh if you don't have your I.D., you know, you just need to talk to us and we'll work it out kinda thing and I raised my hand and I said correct me if I'm wrong Jeff but technically there is no requirement to have any government issued I.D. to get through the checkpoint correct?

35:27 And he looked at me, and he goes yep. Then he moved on. It was like nothing to see here. I didn't want to make a huge scene about it but i wanted to check the box in front of others and you know exactly what I was talking about and there is no requirement. Right its heavily recommended but yeah there's no legal requirement all they can do is kind use all those forceful language yeah it's total total theater for mind control of the populace right and do your earlier point about it being a magic trick Maybe we should spend a little time on the fact that the government purposefully uses homonyms or homophones to be extra deceptive. These are those words that have the same spelling and they're phonetically the same but have dual meanings when it's convenient, this is one of their big tricks right?

36:20 Absolutely so when they refer to the state of california are there use a term united states you know all of those are words that you have to really drill down what are they talking about, So there's two different state of California. There is the one that we think of classically where you're in San Diego and I'm up here in Los Angeles, were both within the borders of California, we would agree with that but now we got to figure out which California we are in? The only one that has borders is 1849 California so geographically speaking We are in, you know we're located standing on dirt that is within the territorial limits of California one of the several states.

37:03 Now, the other California operates very differently. It doesn't have borders and it's physically located in the United States and if you look at California Commercial Code 9307H it is very clear that the United States is located in the District of Columbia so that state of California which they refer to as the one that is physically located at 444 North Capital Way Northwest District of Columbia that that's where it's located. So if you're in the The California that's in the United States, it's kind of like saying you're in a religion so there's one California That's the dirt that you stand on There's another one that through your actions You can be a part of just like you could be a part of any church and if you and I were standing outside In a park

37:54 And if I were to ask you, are you part of a church organization or are you in the church? You would know in that context. I'm not asking you right then physically Are you standing in a church because obviously we're outside in a park right there so that it's the same thing by saying you're in the state of California they use that all the time and And what they do with the words is they'll switch them around. For example, if you go look at the limit sign I don't know if you drive up to San Clemente at all but there's a Orange County line and then the city of San Clemente City Limit Sign that is right there on the border between San Clemente and where Santa Nofre is

38:32 And that's a great sign because it is very clear. It says orange in big words, it just says orange and then below it county limit and then below that is a sign that says San Clemente city limit You know, if you're in either one of those jurisdictions. If somebody's giving you a problem if you get a ticket from you know parking ticket and San Clemente which I've gotten quite a few then the parking ticket comes from an organization called City of San Clemente And that is a corporation that has a very special political power to it under the 14th amendment

39:12 And so that's where they get you. I try and use the illustration of like computer code, if there is a line in computer code that requires the wording to be orange county limit and you were to put in county of orange then that particular line of computer code won't work And so that's how I identify, or to begin with that's just one of the many attributes I use to identify what is the organization that I'm dealing with. and that's something that is really important. Right on, yeah another thing I wanted to go into a little more in depth was the birth record because i hear that these birth certificates are traded on the stock market as if we are livestock quote unquote and im not sure how much truth there is to that but do we really know the extent at which they use these births certificates? Is it the same kind of impression you guys get too

40:10 In California, I don't know Todd if you checked it out out there but I know in California. I verified that the actual original birth record is on file at the Department of Public Health in Sacramento It's in Department of Public Health vital records in Sacramento. It's a document that the state owns I've never been able to verify any of the you know what? I call PJ and or P&J theory of being physically traded on the stock market and all of that. That just kind of to me is a rabbit hole, I've tried to research and find some evidence of that being true and have not been able to find that nor do I think they really need it because if you're identifying yourself using a state issued birth record then they've gotcha! They don't need to trade the birth record on the stock market, they control you 100%

40:57 They control how much income you get to keep when you work, what licenses you have to have. You know they control everything once you have subscribed yourself through a political pledge of being the person on that birth record and then operating within federal authority under the 14th Amendment. PNJ stands for Patriot Nut Job by the way. Right on. Good to clarify it, Corey and I both dealt with plenty of P&Js along the way many of them were well intentioned in that concept of the birth record or birth certificate being a trade on this stock what i think happens is that they call vital statistics for a reason in each state and we're back to the homograph the state i'm talking about is the administrative division of the federal government also known as the State Of Iowa

41:43 or state of California. That's the state we're talking about, you know if you go to this little sidebar if you go to the CIA World Factbook We've talked about this many times on our show. If you just search for CIA World Factbook, you'll get a link to it that talks about each country throughout the world and what kind of government they have and they name states as administrative divisions right there at the CIA fact. So back to the birth certificate I think what happens is these vital records and vital statistics agencies are being tapped for actuary information, forecasting of populace, forecasting of resources things like that. So in an empirical manner there might be some utility to those but only if you're the federal government and you are... The thing that people have a hard time understanding is the federal government was never designed to have citizens of its own it wasn't until the 14th Amendment they had citizens on their own. The federal government was never designed to have a direct impact

42:44 Individuals it was supposed to have an impact on these states and the state governments So that the state and state governments played nice so that the state and state governments didn't violate the people's rights Gotcha, just like a middleman like an intermediary between sovereign states. It was a compact The states decided to have a compact and have an enforcer so we all play nice together, maintain this civility and maintain open society. It's been morphed into this top-down... I heard on some radio show the other day that President Obama is deciding a new executive order regarding overtime! Just the general concept that there would be some top down

43:24 Over time shall be like this for everybody really how did that happen where we totally in this. We have a king now i mean it's just incredible to me and then the thing that cory calling tonight we hammer a lot of our show about is that, The as a federal citizen, you are guaranteed core use that term really the 14th Amendment guarantees certain things. It guarantees some protections with the protections of 14th Amendment guarantees is that the state? The other state in that homograph the actual one of the several states, the original state that that state shall not violate your rights. And this worked for the slaves when the 14th Amendment was originally impacted because they needed to have protections because people still wanted to have slaves even after the Civil War and the feds had to enforce it and say no we're going on 14th Amendment you can be a federal citizen will make sure your not violated as a slave now

44:20 And everybody's like, oh yeah I'm in. But that same protection does not apply from the federal government violating your rights. It doesn't work that way you don't get that same protection so when you signed up for federal citizenship you signed up for violation by your very master. Yeah there are absolutely no protections from the federal government upon 14th Amendment citizens other than what is statutory civil rights. And that's what, you know you hear that term all the time demanding your civil rights well civil rights are akin to a father's right over a four-year old child You know the father may say okay? You have the right to stay up late tonight But if we want to change your bedtime tomorrow We change your bedtime tomorrow That there is just absolutely no protections

45:12 on a constitutional basis between the 14th Amendment citizen being impacted directly from the federal government, unlike an Article 4 citizen. One of the biggest examples is income taxes. It's obviously 100% abundantly clear to me that income taxes in the way that they are implemented and the way that they're processed are 100% legal even though the federal government is not allowed to apply taxes directly upon the citizens right in the organic portion of the Constitution. And that's because the 14th Amendment citizen does not have the same protections as an Article 4 citizen

45:51 Greg, I've been in the courtroom on three occasions here in Scott County where a judge or somebody that was being adjudicated was struggling to protect themselves and their rights and brought up either the state constitution or the federal constitution. And on three occasions out loud, I've heard judges say the Constitution has no place in these proceedings in this matter. Well, that says it right there. When you hear these things right there and before your very eyes the topics that Corinne are talking about don't become so stretched or unbelievable they're totally believable Right And another thing I thought was fascinating on this same subject is in one of your episodes you break down some language used by Obama and of course Obama's a constitutional law

46:39 professor, I guess. And he obviously knows these things down to a T. These are the details that I think that those people should know and when he talks, he's very careful about the terms he uses it's clear from your breakdown that he's definitely pivoting from word-to-word based on its technical application We absolutely yeah that's when there is a clip we play from time to time on their and he's down in Mexico and it's during the. The what's name of the controversy with gun running fast and furious fast and furious had reached kind of critical mass and he was done at some museum down there, any said we all know that a lot of guns coming into mexico are coming from united states

47:25 But at the same time in America, I've taken an oath of office to protect the Second Amendment and I always will. But meanwhile we're gonna pass laws that keep the guns out of dangerous people's hands so there is that flip-flop back and forth between those two worlds right there it's right in your face. Yeah man! I thought that was so interesting because it does validate a lot of this kind of material You know, growing up the United States definitely seemed like one big blanket nation. But as I've gotten older especially as a stoner myself the fact that some states are radically different than other states has never really been more apparent than it is today. The fact they do have some power because

48:08 doing my favorite habit in Texas is far different than doing it in Colorado right now. And I guess, I'm curious as you guys see it what would the country look like today if it was run as intended? Would all the states basically be their own sovereign nations with their own rules as different as they wanted them to be Absolutely as abrogated. Yeah, that's exactly it as abrogated by the Constitution there are certain natural laws that the states have to follow and in order for them to maintain and you know Maintain their Republican form of government if they don't if they begin to misbehave then There's certainly remedy available for article 4 citizens to be able to take their own state

48:47 to federal court for violations of constitutional protections that are at the federal level. So they can't just go crazy, but the restrictions on these states in their relationship with Article 4 citizens is nothing short of profound compared to what we're used to today. To us, to most citizens today traveling along in your car and getting pulled over for what is really no crime at all, you know maybe doing 65 in a 55. If you were driving safe and not put anybody in danger or anything like that type of activity becomes a crime when I say that type of activity I mean somebody dressed up in uniform pulling you over accosting you arresting you and then making you go through the administrative process that we know as traffic courts well in these article 4 states

49:37 that type of behavior is completely unconstitutional. And so we just haven't had, well the as a people the technology has not been available for people to be able to research the massive volumes. I mean, one thing that the government's really good at is profiting from confusion and looking at old newspapers and then the way the 1879 Constitution was passed what was in that constitution? The average person would just have no clue back in 1879 that their government was being hijacked and they would just willingly identify themselves as citizens of this new government simply because

50:20 They just didn't have the tools that we have available today. Today I can do a word search in a PDF document to find out how many times the term United States is being used in that document and then scan it really quick and ingest that information, critical information in a matter of minutes rather than taking hours you know, to get to a library and so forth that people had before. So today the work the job of being able to identify which state you're in as a citizen is much easier than it was 20 years ago and uh...and so I think it's just-I kind of got off on a tangent on searching but I think this is absolutely attainable. Speaking of ingesting things, Greg you brought up marijuana in Colorado versus Texas and to that point consider the nuance there that we think that the ability to ingest marijuana in Colorado has been granted now. It's hilarious when you think about it just on its face

51:14 you know, a weed that grows out of the ground is now you're allowed to eat it or smoke it. Or do whatever you want right? Oh wow! Absolutely. Somebody's paying tax and only if you have a license I mean just... It becomes even more laborious and so what that is that's the federal government allowing discretion with their administrative division called Colorado And so there's this perception that wow its state states rights Well, enough people wanted to have it. Okay we're going to let them do it but by God its gonna be taxed heavily and were gonna get a piece of it now. And in an Article 4 state that necessarily would not happen there wouldn't even be a law against marijuana begin with

51:55 Right, right. Earlier that was a great point about profiting from confusion that is definitely what they do creating ambiguity as the term I use a lot and that's exactly how all these different sectors operate especially the economic system you know they want it that way so that you don't understand any of these terms that are going on default credit swaps all this kind of stuff It's just you tune out from it because it's so complex yet this is where the rubber meets the road. This is where, you know everybody's being fleeced and only because you don't want to dial into the technical applications of some of this stuff You really just let it all happen or at least you know the larger citizenry does

52:34 They just go with the flow because it's a path of least resistance. And, and of course, a lot of the things you've spoken about on and guests you've had in your show are dealing with the things that have dumbed America down whether it's vaccinations or what they put into drinking water. I mean, it's all part of the mix what they're spraying us with. It's all there. It's all what keeps everybody dumb down. We talked about how it's easier to fool US citizen than it is to convince him he has been fooled. Amen! It definitely is. And another point, you talked about the court system earlier and having dealt with a lot of this both of you guys Is there much of a difference between superior court and federal court? Does either really have the best interest to the people in mind

53:20 Well, you know my I've not been in a federal court action yet. Everything that I've put together is geared towards heading to a federal court action but i want to be incredibly prepared and have the absolute best foundation I possibly can and that requires me to engage with the administrative government here in California And so at the administrative level the superior courts are courts of the United States. They openly show the flag with a gold fringe on it, which I interpret as indicating through from the basis of executive authority that you're in United States jurisdiction in these courts. You're not in one of the several states and those court's their job is to protect the infrastructure from US citizens and then fleece as much as they possibly can

54:12 I have some good friends here in California that have dedicated a tremendous amount of time to working within the system and fighting traffic tickets, registration tickets and so forth. They lose not because their arguments aren't sound it's because the authority in these jurisdictions are you're going to lose that is just how it is. When I engage with for instance the Superior Court there are limitations on their authority If you can show that they're blatantly violating the rights of an Article 4 citizen and willfully ignoring evidence of maybe misconduct by prosecutorial agencies, then my opinion is I would be able to have standing to create an action with not only the courts but the other parties involved as well as other government officials in a federal action under Article 3.

55:07 Article 3 is there's a diversity of citizenship. So my citizenship is different than the citizenship of these courts, the Superior Court and so the proper jurisdiction when that event occurs would be at the federal level and so my documents that I submit in my defense in the case are all geared towards just exposing citizenship, that there's a diversity there. And then also dealing with any of the documents that they may be able to produce that would show I willingly consent to their jurisdiction and so that would be being able to show that those signature that i had previously placed on a driver's license application is no longer valid because I've taken the steps to rescind that signature. So all of the obligations associated with

55:59 don't apply because they don't have my consent for it. That's the sum of the information that I try and get on the record, I don't expect to win at the state level. I guess I'll put it that way, then I don't expect there to ever be a win either The case will be dismissed before it ever goes to trial or if it goes to trial It'll require me to go to federal court and file for perhaps injunctive relief of some sort Now having gone to federal court you know, at least here in Los Angeles on Spring Street. When you walk in there's a big sign that says ID, positive photo ID is required to get through the security checkpoint and when I was in federal court they're just doing some research about three weeks ago and all I had brought with me was my common law id to get through the checkpoint. I hand it to him and he was a female marshal

56:54 And she said she had never seen that before and showed it to her supervisor. The supervisor responded by saying, that's a valid state ID and I went right through the checkpoint without any delay at all maybe the whole delay was 40 seconds tops but they were very very polite and treated me no different than somebody you know who is showing a government issued ID as far as granting access to the courts now i would say thats because of the federal level to the courts, they presume and this is in court cases where they presume that the original states, the several states exist. And it's presumed that those states have citizens of their own and that's plainly stated again in Texas v White I think one of the most interesting cases anybody could read is the history around Texas v White because it does show... That case happened in a time period when Texas was going from

57:49 the original republic that entered the Union to being an administratively controlled government under military rule. And the difference between the two is plainly stated by the judiciary, that the original government is guaranteed to exist forever and it's presumed forever to have citizens of its own. When Mr White had taken this case to court There wasn't the mechanisms yet that the federal government had created that we have today. There wasn't the IRS, there wasn't driver's licenses, there wasn't all these other mechanisms that could bind you to 14th Amendment citizenship so the presumption was and it was correct is that his citizenship was sourced under Article 4 of the Constitution and he prevailed. And it was over a monetary battle but its still a very fascinating case

58:46 And so when you get to the federal level, at least in theory, the federal courts would presume that it's completely normal for somebody who is identifying themselves as an Article 4 citizen to come to their court to deal with an administrative agency that is sourced out of Washington DC operating within defined territory of their state. And Greg, we're not claiming that we are 100% knowledgeable and everything we are asserting is accurate. Where I'm going with this is a lot of people... We're not claiming we have a system that's perfect.

59:22 that this is what you have to do. We're just claiming, do something! It's different than what you're doing now because I know people who have wasted... waste is too strong a word... have invested dozens and dozen of years in their lives and their family treasure trying to fight this battle up at the federal level into the highest level just beneath the Supreme Court and been told time again no standing because they continue to apply themselves as this ends logist entity, this creature of law called a birth certificate. And if they just were allowed to have this facsimile that we have rights that are protected like the First Amendment but then what if it's so protected how do you have free speech zones on college campuses?

1:00:06 Because there's discretion, because you're a federal citizen and in the federal citizenry we get to have discretion. Sorry! Yeah well said and I mean it makes sense you're testing the system and i think that's a noble cause and its obviously tough because nobody is giving you the tools to succeed You have to try different mechanisms and see what works And the Feds have a lot of different tricks and illusions to kind of keep you down We're hoping that there's white hats out there, Greg, that get this and know it. And we think one of them might be Justice...

1:00:44 Thomas. Yeah, and because he wrote in that Prince case the sheriff this it was about the Brady Bill is about enforcing gun control at the local level and it got in and the sheriff's prevailed but it was considered a 10th Amendment prevailment It wasn't anything to do with diversity of citizenship just about 10th Amendmen And he wrote that the Second Amendment appears to contain an express limitation of the government's authority. The court has not had recent occasion to consider the nature of the substantive rights safeguarded by this Second Amendment, however if the Second Amendment is read to confer a personal right to keep and bear arms, a colorable argument exists at the fellow governments regulatory scheme at least as it pertains to purely interstate sale or possession of firearms runs afoul of that amendments

1:01:30 protections. As the parties did not raise this argument, however we need not consider it here perhaps at some future date the court will have the opportunity to and that's where that would be kind of a long ball play if you will is to have somebody withstanding to answer that call that we think he put out there All right on. And this is another thing that was touched on a bit earlier, but can one of you guys talk to us about the legal name and its importance as to how it's formatted? What is so important about going by first middle last name as opposed to the terms given name and surname

1:02:07 Well, you know it's the title. So the way I interpret the Constitution as having been put together to use a military example, the title of given name and surname or given name and family name would be akin to being general whereas the title first middle last name would again be akin to being conscripted private cannon fodder When it comes to dealing with government, I want them to view me as the highest political standing possible not something that's just their property to be fleeced. If you're invoking or responding to what I think is really just a slave name,

1:02:52 By using those titles, first middle last name and saying yeah that's me. You're literally identifying yourself as government property because the government owns the property that you're using to say yeah that's me Kind of another trick with the homophone thing, right? Two terms that sound exactly the same. Absolutely and it's ingrained in us from birth. I know when I first started to understand this trying to separate the two in my head and be able to get clarity on this was very difficult And I later learned that the reason why it's so difficult in the beginning is literally the connections in your brain to recognize how important it is or to recognize the difference.

1:03:38 You're not used to being addressed by your given and surname yet if you have a passport open it up and look at it. On the passport, it says bearer as far as where your signature goes It doesn't say applicant or owner anything else. It just says bearer And then lists your name given in surname now there's a reason why it's done that way because If they were too...if he were to be identified as a state-issued birth record outside of the country then you wouldn't be recognized as a citizen. And that part goes into all the different treaties around passports and so forth, but...

1:04:20 The training from day one in school, you're taught first middle last name date of birth when you get pulled over or if a cop approaches you and says what's your first name? What's your last name? What's your date of birth all of these things are just ingrained in us from such a young age that it is a personal challenge for each and every one of us who wants to aver article four citizenship to be able to not submit that type of title. And it's a title that the government wishes to impose on you and you notice it when you no longer want to accept that title, I mean in fact when I was put into handcuffs at the beach in San Clemente

1:05:03 It was simply because the officer wanted me to say first, middle last name and I kept responding saying, �I don�t have a first name. I've got a given and surname.� And if it's not a big deal then why would they need to handcuff you over it? If they could just scratch out on a ticket all right well doesn't matter what your title is on your name we'll scratch out this thing that says first name and we will put given name here and that should make you happy Well, they can't because it would be similar to scratching out conscripted private cannon fodder title and then replacing that with general. something that's going to fly. So it is the same thing and in my, you know I've got a court case going on right now where I'm requesting the court grant a motion to compel the state to produce evidence and some of that evidence is geared towards showing the difference between the political status of an Article 4 citizen using a given surname versus a 14th Amendment citizen using first middle last name construction. And when an officer gives a ticket

1:06:08 that the rules that are established by the California Judicial Council requires that it shall be in the specific sequence of first, middle last. So to them its incredibly important and you know there's nothing I find beneficial to granting them that so I deny them in my personal life the ability to address me first, middle last name whenever possible Right. I mean, that makes a lot of sense and i do respect you guys a lot for putting yourself out there and you have been talking the talk and walking the walk for a long time on this subject educating listeners along the way have you had any personal victories from your listeners over the years that are worth sharing

1:06:53 Well, there's lots of small victories. The big victory that I think we're looking for is a court case that in modern times and in our era says that the federal government has an obligation to guarantee a Republican form of government to the states. And so far nobody has brought that issue or has successfully brought that issue in a federal court case. There's been lots of people who have attempted to argue a similar thing, but when you really break down what they're arguing, they're arguing that the state that we see today, these administrative states that are running are separate. When in fact they're not. They're missing the Article 4 argument.

1:07:34 So, the big win that once that happens then it's going to become incredibly easy for anybody to avert Article 4 citizenship. But until that happens there are a whole bunch of little wins I've got a friend here who actually lives in North Hollywood he has been traveling now for a long time with no plates and no driver license And he was pulled over about two months ago from the highway patrol and they let him go. So in a case like that, there's nothing to prove that it was a win other than they asked him questions and it was probably officers since it was in the area, it was probably officers from the West Valley Division. They might be familiar with the contact that I have

1:08:16 But either way, he kept his property and continues to keep his property and continues to function as an Article 4 citizen without having gone to court. So his contact with the officers was a textbook example like I say if i get pulled over, I roll down all my windows, pay rapt attention to the directions that the officer is giving, turn on You know, Mr. Polite as much as possible while maintaining my status and then mentally prepare that if the officer is going to take me to jail that's an absolute possibility but I engage with the officer in such a way that I want to encourage them or I wanna win their hearts and minds so they hope that I win because

1:08:58 If I, even though it's a direct engagement with the officer if I win so do they. We're all better off with a government that runs better and we're all better off with a system of government that doesn't have such centralized control that we have today and so you know I mean i've had officers especially in Orange County Sheriff I've had those officers be very kind to me and nice to me. In fact, one time when I was at the clerk's window in Orange County Superior Court, I was looking to access public information and I forget if they wanted me to show ID or something like that but basically through intimidation tactic they hit the panic button and they have done this a few times

1:09:41 When they hit the panic button, that means there's going to be sheriff's deputies that come running with guns. They're expecting an emergency when really the court clerk is just using that to intimidate and so I just stay calm maintain my position and those officers showed up they appropriately address the situation and within a minute or two they left and they didn't infringe or anything upon how I was engaged with the government. Even though the court clerk really did not like at all what I was saying, or how I was going about asserting my authority, the sheriffs recognized there was no breach of the peace and let me go. I have been placed in handcuffs before. I've had numerous contacts with police but for the most part

1:10:25 I really can't complain about the physical treatment that i've received but, I credit that to paying just rapt attention to playing my part and that is making sure they don't ever have use of violence being approved by policy. And Greg, we do share stories on our show with people that are retweeting or emailing or chatting us in our chat room about what they've done. There's a lot of public records acts across those people engaging their state senators asking about state citizenship. Corey got a note from a guy that said he was on a tram or subway with the cop and sort of asked him about his oath of office and he got right off at the next stop and fled didn't want to hear about it anymore

1:11:04 It's a consciousness that is happening. It is not huge by any stretch because everybody is so distracted with Hillary and Bernie, you know the Trumpisms and all that stuff but the other thing I would say about if... Have you ever heard of the term Tar Baby? Yes! So if they take Corey in and arrest him It's a tar baby. They took his car away, it is now a tar baby because of them taking his car away on the side of the road there is a situation now that has uncovered that Secretary of State has sent a letter this as they have no oaths of office on file for any California Highway Patrol officers There are 10 thousand officers in the state! They're the secret service of the governor and they don't have an oath of office? We haven't been writing from the secretary of state

1:11:52 It just opens up all these other doors. So it's tar baby time if you get arrested, if you know what you're doing and you've averred yourself properly and this isn't for everybody, we know that but we're hopeful that there are books written about the three percenters with 3% of a populace With civil disobedience or asserting themselves you can move a society so, you know That's you know, we're at three point one percent with agenda 31. We're hopeful that can get that kind of thing going Yeah Well great advice well said and You know from my perspective if you haven't been in handcuffs at least once and you're not living here way too complacent but guys

1:12:35 Guys, thanks for sticking around. I know we went a little bit long this is super interesting and i appreciate what you do very informative and you guys are fighting the good fight for people who aren't even aware in some cases don't appreciate it so let me thank you on their behalf and mine I'm really glad we were able to do this before we go please remind the people where to dig a little deeper and catch your show Yeah agenda thirty one dot org is the website we typically broadcast our show on saturdays it just varies we do a live stream at agenda thirty one dot orgy slash stream you can if you subscribe to blog it's a wordpress blog use there's a subscription button complimentary subscription will send out notice about an hour two hours before we go live if you wanna check it out live otherwise, you can get all the rss feeds like iTunes and others.

1:13:22 to subscribe. We're also played back on the No Agenda stream at noagendastream.com on Thursdays and Sundays after the No Agenda show with Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak, which is a stream I think Greg your show should be on as well! Yeah, we can definitely talk about making that happen. Nice awesome well Todd Corey thanks again keep it up and take care of yourselves out there. Great thank you very much excellent talking with you yeah you too. Oh there we have it people tied in Korea agenda thirty one at an extra fifteen minutes no less

1:14:13 Can't complain about that. Big thanks to them for being here and big thanks to Meme Troll on the Plus Show forums for the suggestion whenever I draw a blank on who to have in the show, I look at the endless list of suggestions on the guest request forum and...I know i'll never get to a lot of them but I thought what Todd and Corey are doing was interesting enough to dedicate an episode to it And I'm glad we did. It's a little refreshing to hear an alternative to the sovereign citizen stuff, because that seems like more trouble than it's worth. It almost seems like the sovereign citizen stuff could be a big distraction from what Todd and Corey are doing, because there is actually an underlying basis for the fight they're fighting

1:14:56 I feel bad because i think it was a little critical at times during the episode but actually think what they're doing is really intriguing and i like their low risk high reward approach i think that's the only way to go about in the modern world. Why not mess with this system why not draw attention to the underlying framework that they rather we ignored? I realize that if everyone just keeps their head down and says, ''I don't want any trouble,'' then nothing will ever change. So i think this is an interesting way to engage with the system that's a bit more measured than other people in this space have talked about in the past. Why the hell not? But I am going to keep up with what they're doing and how Corey's saga unfolds. If you like The First Hour, that's really what we talked about in the Plus show. We got into how Corey and Todd have used these things in their own lives And we got into their backgrounds and stories a bit too In particular, we talked about the sunflower seed incident

1:15:55 And they also gave us more details on how to make our own Citizen 4 IDs, if we so choose. They just seem like cool level-headed like minded guys and they've definitely done their research legal research too you gotta give a guy extra credit for that kind of stuff but that's the show Many of you probably saw this episode coming in the first THC newsletter on the 1st of the month. Lots of great responses came back to that too, which I do appreciate. Sign up at TheHigherSideChats.com if you want to get in on it next month or don't! It's just a free little extra thing, not a big deal. But thanks for listening either way! We have exceeded my wildest dreams I am a lucky guy and I hope I can keep bringing you great shows with amazing guests week after week from here to eternity And i don't think that is too much to ask but it's a long road to eternity and for today...I think I've done my part Your move political perpetrators of the federal fantasy YOUR FUCKING MOVE

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