Clint Richardson | Gain-Of-Function Research, Word Magic, & The Artificial Matrix

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01:31 Good morning, Vietnam! From sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood and if you're like me you sometimes wonder how far off is the society we've been born into from the way of life we would have in the natural world. We're taught how much better modern life is but when we examine it deeply...I'm not so sure It seems like the cheap materials used to make pretty much everything expose us to toxins that we wouldn't typically encounter for an abundance of plastic junk that usually ends up in a landfill, while the factories pollute the air and water around them sometimes for miles. The industrialized diet has stripped out nutrients, replaced by preservatives and lab-made food designed to hijack our pleasure centers and only imitate sustenance. Our financial system has warped our perception of value and self worth plotting every action on a unnatural scale of green paper exchange and accumulation driving people into poverty sleeping in tents sometimes right in front of overstocked grocery stores

02:26 The modern medical system disregarded anything we knew about nutrition, herbology and natural plant medicine in exchange for harsh oil-based petrochemicals and invasive vaccines. A system so advanced that medical errors rank as the third leading cause of death even by the most conservative estimates And we're sold the idea of a sophisticated rule of law that is so disproportionately applied to anyone who wasn't born into the big club To call it a justice system sounds like some kind of sick joke With these things under the microscope, it starts to feel like we have an artificial matrix of structures and concepts that control and enslave instead of set us free. But what do I know?

03:04 Well, today's long-awaited guest ex Hollywood sound engineer and radio broadcaster Clint Richardson knows a lot more than me as he has been focusing on these very things for years on his websites realityblogger.wordpress.com and strawmanstory.info as well as his YouTube channels the Corporation Nation and Red Pill Sunday School. Clint does not mess around in his dense and detailed work as his book Straw Man The Real Story of Your Artificial Person clocks in at over 1100 pages His vaccine documentaries, Lethal Injection and Lethal Injection 2 A Corruption of Blood total over 10 hours. His documentary Wagging the Dog The story behind the story of COVID-19 is over 9 hours And all that barely scratches the surface Of what you'll find when you comb through his lengthy archives So let's get into it! The straw man storyteller lethal injection educator and revealer of uncomfortable truths Clint Richardson welcome to the higher side Thank you thank you I appreciate it

04:02 Yes, man. This is a real pleasure I've had a lot of requests to have you here over the years as we've talked about and I like to pride myself on being well prepared for my guests but even after a week of digesting as much if your work is like good I know there's just so much left on the table and when it comes to your documentaries on say vaccines are COVID-19 what I most appreciate is that you compile so much material up these doctors and scientists just talking, whether on panels or speeches or whatever. And you just highlight the key sentences and make a pretty clear case for your arguments just using their own words and conversations. It's really refreshing approach to this kind of stuff. I was amazed! I mean i was truly... You know? I started looking into COVID-19 The code word COVID-19 Whatever that means right? The syndrome

04:57 Start looking into the cause of it and what was going on early early on and One of the things I came across were these Well, first of all the terms You know you have to find the correct terms if you don't know the terms. You're not gonna find anything And a perfect example that is if you're searching for chemtrails right in a search for chemtrails Well, this is not the official name of these things So you're not going to find anything official? You're gonna find other people who are asking questions What is it chemtrail where do I find a chemtrail but if you're searching geoengineering or your searching for the correct scientific terms for these things, it's amazing what you can actually find. In an hour I could find enough sources and material to make a whole documentary just because i have the right term." And so what happened is...I'm listening to this interview with Francis Boyle who actually wrote or should say interpreted and wrote into U.S code biological weapons code

06:00 He uses these terms, gain of function and dual use. And these are terms I had not heard of back in February or March 2000 so I naturally did my best to find out what those things are. Dual use is a real simple concept and most people are familiar with the notion that everything has the potential for a dual use, good and bad. There's always the angel and the devil sitting on everyone shoulder I've got this technology, i've got this nuclear energy that can save the world at the same time destroy the world so it is called dual use thing anything military might be interested in thats being done in civilian or medical research capacity would also considered a dual us

06:51 This is why of course DARPA and all these government corporations, military corporations are so interested in all of this. And the other term is gain-of-function. Now that's the big one because when we're talking about a gain-of-function to anything really but when we specifically talk about viral gain-of-function to virus were talking about the ability Who will it say to be more than more deadly more contagious. Who is the drug resistant tube, airborne these are all functions that actually happened and another word for this mutation ok so when something mutates in nature we know for instance

07:40 the flu virus. We always hear about the mutation and how it's impossible to actually know what the flu virus is every year, so they make a guess and sometimes they're right, sometimes wrong etc., because it mutates on its own in nature. And that's called gain or loss of function. This term is basically what led me these symposiums, these gatherings, these debates that they have and they call them public forums. But really they're not public at all. They get very little play in the actual publicism why would anybody search for these things? You know they're going on... They might be mentioned in some journal or some advanced weekly science magazine or something but for the most part the public is just not going to- The general public is not going to know about it

08:32 I gotta tell you i've got hours hundreds of hours of these things just sitting here, you would be amazed at the things that they actually say because when these scientists are so called sciences is like call them. When they get together and they talk They let their guard down, they're talking amongst their peers. So they actually reveal things that you're sitting there going I can't believe that they are saying what they are saying for instance that SARS-1 was released accidentally from a lab

09:12 And that means of course, that SARS-2 which necessarily is a gain of function from SARS 1 or mutation from SARS1 is also necessarily a man made or lab grown virus. When they get in these forums and they talk about this The most disturbing part is that they've taken this and done this to every virus known and unknown to man. Especially like Anthony Fauci, he's a really good example of doing gain-of-function research experiments on H5N1 the highly pathogenic already highly pathogenic H5N1 And this is something that when it actually reaches a human you know its got a 60% kill rate 65% kill rate

09:59 And what do they do? They say, well gosh you know the H5N1 virus is a bird virus. It's specifically meant to be in nature go between birds every once in awhile it goes to a secondary animal and then gets passed to a human because we have the same types of receptors for that viral information and Man, you hear Anthony Fauci just lay down the whole history of how they took H5N1 already highly pathogenic and in a lab they made it.

10:35 susceptible or made it human, they gained a function meaning they mutated it in the lab added the functionality so that its spikes could interact with the receptors in the human body and therefore now you've got in the lab in these high security high containment type of labs level 4 You've got every virus that is known and unknown, that they have worked on. They have taken it to the highest possible level of gain of function. In other words they mutated in so much in a laboratory setting to the point where this would not happen in nature or cannot happen in nature a lot of times

11:18 and have a stockpile of every virus you can think of that has been made airborne, that has been made drug-resistant, that has been made more contagious. That has been made contagious to humans without the need for an intermediary host or any kind of animal So in other words, they have made every virus known to man into what can only be called in reality a biological weapon. Which if it escapes or is released from the lab which apparently according to their discussions is exactly what's happened with all of these diseases all of these major pandemics that we've experienced

12:06 They talk about digging up the Spanish flu from the lungs of an Eskimo woman, Inuit woman. And they dig it up and reprocess it, resequence it...and then suddenly you have in 2009 the release of the Spanish flu! It's exactly the same flu as it was back then—it hadn't changed which means that it hadn't been alive in nature long enough to mutate. Right? So, I mean they talk about all of this openly. There's another one that is not in the video where he says SARS doesn't exist in nature anymore and this was 2006 or 16 excuse me. He says SARS COVID you know doesn't exist in nature anymore it's only in the lab

12:50 Right? So amongst this peer group of scientists, it is a very well-known and understood fact that they have done the research. They have given this gain of function, this mutation to all these different viruses—and not just viruses! You know everything else too And then of course they talk about the potential of accidents and how no lab is infallible, and how some of them get attacked in foreign countries. Taken over and stuff gets released... By the end they're saying yeah if something like HFN5N1 gets out that they've gained a function and mutated to the highest potential biological warfare

13:36 We're not prepared for that. There's nothing we'll be able to do against that, it's going to ravage the population all because of a lab accident something that is not gonna happen in nature in the first place. We've taken it and genetically engineered it gain-of-functioned it and you know this is where oh okay this is where dual use comes in now you have a bunch of biological weapons sitting there in labs in high security labs just waiting Be used for something, you know so this is where we're sitting. We're sitting on a giant time bomb of Biological weapons now the problem Greg is They don't call them biological and this is why words are so important Why it's so important to understand how they use words To get away with pretty much every crime imaginable

14:31 by not calling it a biological weapon. They call it basic research, they call it whatever they want to call it so that it does not fall under the Biological Weapons Act or the Geneva Conventions right? So thats the trick thats the great crime that is happening right now as you get all these scientists, so called scientists who are not conducting science this is not science you know, mutation. This is experimentation this is not something that's considered as a scientific endeavor this is weapons-grade creation of viral entities and I gotta tell you man what you saw was what I handpicked out of 20 30 hours 100 hours of debate and talking about then I didn't even get through half of it so

15:27 It's frightening to me to know that this is happening behind the scenes in this so-called scientific community, and it's not being shared in any significant way with the public at all. I don't think the public at large—you and me and everybody else would approve of this type of research...and it was banned! This is why Fauci should be charged with criminal charges on COVID because Fauci who was in charge of the funding, the NIH, the Allergy and Infectious Diseases Department. He sent that to the Wuhan lab in China which is finally being reported on the news but the problem is it's legal there's this legality attached to it because they refuse to call it what it is which is biological weapons. Now Francis Boyle is very clear Francis Boyle

16:21 who again wrote or translated the international code to the US code, he's very clear that you have to if you're going to stop this. You're gonna do anything about this then you're going to have to invoke that biological weapons code and override the US code. Because right now, all these scientists that are doing all this horrible stuff, all this research and calling it just basic research they're doing it under the guise that is not biological weapons research meanwhile on the same panel you've got I don't know if you saw this part but the general

16:57 or someone in the Defense Department says, hey look if we were doing this type of research for COVID H5N1 for any of these viruses. If we were doing this type of research in the defense department it would be called biological weapons research that's the important part but see because its over here in the NIH under the heavenly guise of Dr Fauci The hero and saint you know Mother Teresa of virologists It's okay, it's not biological weapons. And that's the problem is you've got this dual use component, dual interest good and bad literally heaven and Armageddon against each other and it's the most frightening thing I think I've ever come across

17:41 And that's why I dropped everything and made that first documentary. It really is the story behind this, because yes this is man-made. If you have any doubt in your mind that these are man-made viruses that are affecting us year after year they tell you! They openly discuss it. Scary stuff indeed and that is a great summary. And I really wanted to frame up the COVID conversation for this audience by saying that throughout 2020, i interviewed a lot of people with different angles on what this was some thought it was the effects of 5G EMF exposure some thought it was just an exosome some thought it wasn't much of a threat at all because contagiousness itself has overblown

18:26 And I would say to the audience at this point, yes. I think terrain theory has a lot of merit if our body is weak we're going to be way more susceptible to illness and it's clear that they did everything they could to amplify the number of cases with faulty PCR testing and the number of deaths with death causing treatments like the ventilator thing But COVID-19 is not nothing. I think we all know people at this point who have gotten sick, lost their smell or taste as they say and gotten a positive test so it's not strictly some kind of hoax though there's no shortage of funny business attached to the whole thing and i would urge everyone to watch your documentary and make up their own minds but the clips you use repeatedly make the case that they've engineered these viruses to be

19:14 unnaturally contagious, as you say gain of function. Some of the quotes that I scribble down from these research scientists are We don't really know what we're doing in the lab. We are providing ways for bad actors to use these things for bad reasons, we successfully increased pathology and ferrets which is a good analogue for humans, we know many labs have released pathogens we didn't want to lose Many of these leaks go unreported or undetected there is no reporting agency for this sort of thing Any experiment you do with the pathogen has the potential to make it more or less virulent We were trying to increase infectiousness in mammalian transmission. That one's pretty on the nose

19:57 new strains are extremely unlikely to arise if we aren't creating them. Ding, ding, ding! So this is all very telling to me and COVID-19 isn't the first case of this as you've mentioned and maybe we can get a little bit deeper into the history here And I'm curious about your thoughts on terrain theory or just the susceptibility to viruses and pandemics in nature without the labs that are engineering them Well i think we have to As with most things I think that we have talked about over the years, I think the whole key is going back to nature and understanding how nature works. Understanding our place in it, understanding our biome and our virome—our neonatal virome for instance—all of the ways that we interact and communicate in all the ways... All the things that our body has in it in order

20:56 If you will communicate and it's a really good comparison i think even though i hate the comparison in a hate to use the model because i think that what they're pushing is transhumanism as well. What are the notion that microsoft sends a update to your computer, And if we're being neutral about the subject and not going into all the what-we-know is true about Microsoft and Bill Gates, let's just put that aside. Let's just say this is totally legitimate because we're talking about nature okay? If there was no secret plans behind Microsoft, Microsoft would simply send your computer a healthy virus. Virus can mean by the way you shouldn't be confused with the word virus it means poison

21:47 So if you don't believe in virus, you don't believe in poison. You don't believe in venom. You don't believe in pus or any contagious foul matter so the notion that viruses don't exist it just you have to again lots of disinformation out there and that's because I think people really don't consider the notion of what a virus is actually doing So if you take the model of a computer update, which is altruistic if you will. Or if you take for instance the measles virus or the chickenpox or something right? Those are actually and there's studies on this which I'm putting in my next documentary The Next Lethal Injection Documentary It's very very important because I'm going to cover all of this stuff in great detail so right now I'm just going to talk

22:38 very freely about it without quoting a lot of sources, but you have to understand that we're supposed to get these viruses. Not the ones that are man-made obviously and obviously your computer is not supposed to be infected with viruses that do it harm now again we were using Microsoft as an example so anything it sends you as an update is going to be harmful in one way or another but altruistically if we're talking neutrally which is an art that I think is lost on most people. If you're able to put that aside and just concentrate on what is supposed to happen, what they're finding in all these studies is that yes vaccinated kids actually do have a slightly less expression of certain diseases that they are vaccinated for. For instance the whooping cough and that kind of stuff so it's not that vaccines don't work It's that they don't work the way they say they work

23:35 they don't give you immunity, which is why no vaccine ever claims that it does give you immunity. It claims exactly what it does which is it produces an antibody Which, in the scheme of things again really means nothing because that antibody doesn't come along until five six weeks after you're infected. The virus is gone in the first three or four days so that's a whole other story the point I'm trying to make though when you look at these studies on vaccinated versus unvaccinated children while these vaccinated kids have, yes again it's true they have very much lower incidences of certain diseases that the vaccine is intended for. Not that they weren't getting the disease but that the symptoms were not showing up as much so you're still getting

24:27 The smallpox you still getting the whooping cough is still getting all these things but you're not getting the symptoms and here's the problem because your not expressing the symptoms cuz your body is not going through that full infection if you will. Infection is not necessarily a bad thing when you talking about beneficial virus right so nature or microsoft sends its reprogramming and it affects your epigenomic structure. Now, for those that aren't familiar with the epigenome and the genome... The epigenome is extremely important because if you think about let's say your garage door opener right? Everybody has their little machine and for some reason your garage door opener does not open your neighbor's garage why is that well if you open up I think most people have seen those little switches in there

25:24 There's little switches that say on, neutral or off. And because my garage door has thousands of codes that could be done mine has a specific code it is matched to therefore it only opens my garage door Well in the epigenome you have these chemical switches if you will That can be turned on and off and again its just like your computer Your expression of zeros and ones your binary language In the body, you have the epigenome which expresses disease or doesn't express disease. So for instance if I don't get natural chickenpox or natural measles, I have a 2,000 to 4,000 percent higher chance of expressing certain cancers because i didn't get the natural virus which is harmless for most people

26:24 It didn't go in, it didn't give me any symptoms and it didn't therefore switch on an off my epigenomic response. My switches that would say I'm going to get cancer, I'm not express this, I'm going to express this, you can get the same reaction by eating certain foods. It'll switch on and off your epigenomic switches and there's...I don't even know how many there are technically but the point is now that they have finally done the research and they've shown that vaccinated kids are way more likely to have autism, way more likely to have all these long-term health effects where you have doctors saying that all my unvaccinated kids are healthy and extremely bright. And they don't have any problem with their immune systems no autoimmune diseases etc.,

27:19 What we have is kids that, yeah they don't express the symptoms of the disease they're vaccinated for and therefore they are you know anywhere from double to thousands of times more likely to be sick from all these other things. The long and short of it is we need to rethink our place in nature. We need to rethink what these viruses are and we really need to think about As I said, why all of a sudden are we getting these pandemic viruses? Well, I think it's pretty open news. Well, I'd never heard of it when I made my documentary back in 2011 that the Spanish flu originally back in 1911 or whatever was you know was a typhoid fever spread by the vaccine to soldiers

28:13 That has now become sort of an acknowledged thing. And again, how did it resurface? Well they went back and they openly... I mean i document it! It's not like it's my opinion right?! It is very very clear they go through the whole process of finding the proper specimen buried deep in the ice They had to get permission from the tribe of Eskimos To dig in and remove the Spanish flu from the lungs of the Inuit Eskimo woman and take it back, put it in the Formica formula blocks and re-sequence it. We had the epigenome project... we had all this crazy shit that they're doing now to the point now where if you read... I think here's the craziest part about where were at with this vaccine what they are calling a vaccine

29:10 This is an article, what makes an RNA vaccine different from a conventional vaccine? And one of them most vaccines against viral diseases are made from viruses grown in chicken eggs or mammalian cells. They collect the virus they do all this work takes years for the RNA vaccine though It says the RNA, which encodes an antigen of the infectious agent is made from a DNA template in the lab. The DNA can be synthesized from electronic sequence that can be sent across the world in an instant by computer. Currently it takes about a week to generate and experimental batch of RNA vaccine

30:02 So listen to the difference in those two methods of production of this. One, essentially the vaccine becomes the virus if you really look at it that way. The vaccine is delivering the RNA instead of the actual virus that they created in the lab. So you're talking about something now, and they spoke about this in those forums too... The problem here is not just that this might escape from a lab! The problem is why it was halted in the first place with SARS back in 2013 I want to say? They put a moratorium on SARS research

30:50 and on MERS research, on H5N1 highly pathogenic research. And the reason for that is because these idiots, these fools who call themselves scientists they go and they did this gain-of-function work and then they published it on the internet which means that anyone literally anyone If you have a basement factory in your garage, or any terrorist group or whatever you want to call it. Any military in the world can download that research and in this case download the DNA template to create the RNA vaccine right? if you think about that means not only can it escape from the lab

31:40 or be purposefully released, that means that the so-called bad actors that they refer to can download that and create it in their tiny labs. And then of course the idea of escaping are being released becomes tenfold. So the reason they stopped This research in the first place was of course because, hey we probably shouldn't print this. This is a blueprint for how to gain or function or mutate every virus into a killing machine, biological weapon Maybe we shouldn't print that on the open internet. I don't know, what do you think? Well maybe i'm just being a paranoid right and this is again this is what they're discussing in these panels This is not me saying this this is what they are discussing in these panels These are the people who are actually doing it and that's why i'm so adamant That before you listen to any more people tell you what they think Go and listen to the scientists who've actually done it

32:42 Well said yes i agree with that and many people have blind faith in the medical system because it's just easier to believe that but in lethal injection you go over many instances of using the unsuspecting public for medical experimentation or exposure to toxins and viruses And I think just knowing the history of things like Operation Sea Spray, Operation Big Itch, Big Buzz and the Willowbrook experiments. That kind of stuff it's very helpful in seeing that we're just in the middle of another big operation Can you describe some of these previous examples for people who are unfamiliar or who still think that this system has their best interests at heart?

33:31 That was one of the reasons I decided, how can we show that we cannot have faith in these institutions or in these flattering titles where we have faith and title without any regard to the man behind it. You know, the intention behind the title or the actual work? And I think most people by now have either heard of or are familiar with the syphilis, the Tuskegee experiments. It's a favorite one. Favorite if anybody saying how bad white people are is to talk about the Tuskegee experiments where they took all the black men and gave them syphilis and then wouldn't treat them to see what would happen

34:13 That was just one example of hundreds that amazingly, when you actually do the research you find that presidents of the United States from Clinton to Obama to Reagan I believe have all apologized for various biological experiments done either to their own military or to civilian populations, or to other militaries. We've actually apologized numerous times openly publicly for our participation in biological weapons research or crimes that because government's doing it is of course not a crime right? So

35:00 These projects that you're mentioning are all designed to do exactly what these scientists are doing under basic research and not calling it biological weapons, which is to basically be able to do this kind of research without it invoking the term that would be illegal. You see? It's not that your actions are illegal. It's the term that matters if you can avoid the term murder and make it manslaughter, that's a whole different thing. Even though you've... It's the same thing! You've killed somebody right? But the punishment becomes different

35:40 And if I say it's accidental, well gee there again. If i say that this kind of research is just basic research, It's done for purposes that are supposed to be beneficial to the population because we're studying these viruses and we're studying these things in order to benefit from the knowledge that we gain from you know having these highly infectious pathogens and probably the biggest argument is that we can therefore make vaccines And this becomes a fallacious argument once you understand that of course we're experiencing that now. All these people have gotten these so-called vaccines, and now they're saying well it's morphed again sorry. What? Wait a minute what... So the problem is Well I'll tell you another good example is..I don't remember the name I apologize but there was a children's hospital for mentally retarded children

36:38 Again, the moral debate was okay. We're gonna infect these kids with it was a hospital That already had a lot of this type of disease I want to say I can't think of the disease. I'm sorry something common as a measles It might have been measles but I think it was starts for the I'm sorry after look but they basically purposefully infected all these kids because well They're gonna get it anyway so that they could then study the effects of the disease in a controlled situation. So, the morals of the notion of infecting children with a disease be damned we're just going to do it because it's for research, for scientific purposes and this is the whole problem science has become something else than science It's become scientism which is this religious

37:40 sort of belief or consensus based science. It does not qualify as science because it cannot be reproduced, there's all kinds of studies now that show that most scientific experiments psychological experiments etc cannot be reproduced in a lab therefore it cannot be called science but they're passing all these bad bad scientific papers through all these disreputable journals and you know, what do you do? You've got a situation where the science institution has become a cult. And this was warned about many decades ago they were warning about scientism and the difference between scientific method and scientism which does not require... it's a belief or faith-based thing where you don't come up with a theory and then test it

38:35 Go ahead and give kids a disease and see what happens that's not science. Right right and let me throw out this example you know for the one you couldn't remember this is a slide that was from your presentation screen captured where you say, Experiments involving the measles vaccine were conducted from 1990 to 1991 by the Centers for Disease Control. The doctors wanted to know if they could use it to replace natural antibodies in babies. To test this, doctors injected thousands of babies in the third world with the drug. The vaccine eventually led to several immune problems in the babies and caused many deaths

39:14 Although the exact number is unknown. Surprise, surprise! Knowing the drug had this effect the government still tested on African-American and Hispanic babies in Los Angeles They injected more than 1,500 babies in the United States with the experimental drug. However, the study came to an end when it was discovered that African children were dying at an alarming rate up to three years after receiving the vaccinations. The CDC later admitted that parents were unaware their children were being injected with an experimental drug that had not yet been verified by the Federal Drug Administration." I mean and thats just one example

39:51 It's horrible. And this goes on all the time, and the only time it really ever makes any kind of public affairs... The only time it is known about is when they get caught! And its really bad. If you go and look right now, if you can go to a government website that shows how many drug trials are happening And you can pull up vaccines and see how many actual drug trials are happening. You'd be shocked, it's thousands! It's thousands of drug trials that are happening and the majority of those are labeled as experimental vaccines. Okay? Experimental vaccine... That means that they don't know the outcome. Experimental right this is really really

40:46 frightening and they're paying people to take these experimental vaccines. It's frightening! Yeah, it's very sick and just to give people a couple of cliff notes about the ones I mentioned Operation Sea Spray I learned about from your documentary is when they sprayed a buncha toxic stuff off the coast of San Francisco and just watched just to see who got sick And then operation Big Itch & Big Buzz are where they took infected fleas and insects and released them Add in the public and then just watched to see who got sick and monitor it to see how bad the pathogen was that they put on these insects. And this is the very same organizations i mean in the measles example i read cdc this is the authority were all looking for as this altruistic,

41:34 alter of science that everybody's worshiping at it's not adjacent organizations it's the cdc so this is the same person telling you how to behave in this pandemic where it came from how to protect yourself and that you need the vaccine. I mean i can't trust these people i don't know anyone could think about all times about she has been up there right across from trump and never mentioned the fact that his part, I mean, I don't think people really fully understand. Again he's the guy that signed off on all the funding for all of this research. He is the guy who was in charge of highly pathogenic H5N1 which i think will probably be the next big pandemic purposeful or accidental

42:23 I don't think there's a difference anymore. And, all that time here is the guy who was responsible for sending the SARS research that was banned in the United States to China, to Wuhan, to be continued funding it with millions of dollars. Right? I don't think people really have grasped how this started And how it was released. This was not, you know... Well you'll hear in the news they're gonna blame China. China, China, China, China! This originated in the US It was sent to China because of U.S., I believe it's Obama

43:00 said, hey wait a minute we've got to step back for a moment. We gotta do some debates we're gonna have some public forums gotta discuss should we continue doing this type of research and the research they specifically banned again was SARS and MERS now you look at the orthologs of this current virus right? The five different strains who knows how many They show exactly what you'd expect, which is both SARS and MERS. And also the added gain of function of a spike protein. The spike protein is basically the key that goes into the receptors that allows communication between infected cells right? Allows the virus to

43:53 enter into the viral information to enter into a cell, the cell then becomes infected. For instance the notion of an exosome right? The endosome is the big cell and inside the endosome is the exosome which is a vesicle or something that carries something and it goes about its normal business in this case the virus infects whole or the exo endosome, excuse me from the endosome then the DNA RNA goes into the cell the Here in fact. You know what? I'm just gonna read some stuff to you because perfect I mean instead of me trying to put it in layman's terms and

44:45 which I'm exceedingly bad at when it comes to medical stuff. I'm just going to read you from some of these studies that explain why people like Dr. Kaufman, who I really need to write an article about on... He was just recently fired from his part-time medical job as a psychiatrist in the prison and this whole thing is ridiculous. Here's how it works basically okay? A vesicle is a small fluid-filled sac in the body, membrane bound sac in eukaryotic cells that stores or transports the products of metabolism in the cell and it's sometimes a site for breaking down metabolic wastes. Now when you go and see how that works

45:35 Currently, HCV and hepatitis A virus are the only viruses that have been shown to incorporate their full-length genomic RNA within exosomes. Another virus that can utilize the endosome exosomal system to deliver viral cargo to uninfected cells is the human immunodeficiency virus HIV1 That in and of itself is another can of worms. HIV doesn't cause AIDS, no. HIV is present as along with many other herpes and other types of viral entities And that's what causes Is a combination of a lot of different things but you'll find HIV In the expression of the syndrome that is AIDS But it doesn't necessarily mean its'a causal agent As much as

46:28 It's hard to put into words, but this is very important. Viruses are obligate intracellular parasites that hijack cellular pathways to complete their life cycle So when you're talking about, well where's the virus? Show me the virus. There is no virus until the virus is fully implanted, until that information is fully planted in the host then the virus expresses Okay, in recent years an accumulating body of data has emerged suggesting that some viruses can also manipulate the vesicular trafficking machinery for their assembly egress and transmission. In other words where the endosome creates the exosome that exosome is designed to transport information from the endosome to a healthy cell in its normal process The viral information that has infected that endosome

47:27 is transported with the exosome, making the exosome itself the virus. This is very different than saying viruses don't exist! You see? This is very different than saying viruses are created in the human body... No no no no no that exosome could never have had that viral information, that it then transported and transferred into the next cell without it being infected in the first place. Exosomes are small membrane-bound vesicles that carry biological macromolecules from the site of production to target sites... Let's see let me get some important stuff here

48:07 Exosomal content of cells varies with the cell type that produces them as well as environmental factors that alter the normal state of a cell such as viral infection. Human DNA and RNA viruses alter the composition of host proteins, as well as incorporate their own viral proteins and other cargo into the secreted exosomes So you see where the either misinformation or fallacy is coming from. You know, these are very clear certain viruses deliver their genomes into intraluminal vesicles like exosomes which then serve as vehicles to transport the genome along the endocytic pathway to the nuclear periphery for replication

48:59 Moreover, endosomal vesicles can be diverted to the exocytic pathway and secreted as exosomes. Exosomes containing viral genomes can promote viral spread by infecting adjacent or in some cases distant permissive cells." So again, I'm not coming here and giving you my opinion which has no science or basis like this guy is. Like now a lot of people are parroting No, I actually said okay maybe that's true. Maybe this guy has got a theory so i'm going to go look and I pulled up acting completely in neutrality like I always do.

49:42 Alright, and here's a perfect example. Viral infection by exosome mimicry So of course here's a guy who has been fooled by the mimicry Yeah that makes sense I can even forgive him for being a useful idiot or useful innocent if the exosomes looks exactly like Or is a mimicry what the exosome normally does, yeah that makes sense. Through the HIV-CR1NPC1 pathway, exosomes play a significant role in cell to cell communications. Viruses hijack exosomes hiding in their lumen to avoid immune recognition and enter the cell however how exosomes deliver their cargo into the cytoplasm still remains unknown

50:31 So you've got this wealth of information. There's nothing in the scientific literature that I can find that shows anything other than this, so if i can find this without any credentials without any little letters behind my name and I can deliver to you all of this information You're telling me that this guy who claims an MIT background, which I can't find. Who claims all these credentials which i can't find and nobody else can seem to find... you're telling me he can't find this? Well, I think part of the problem with playing devil's advocate is that

51:09 When we see the CDC doing these kind of experiments and all the most trusted sources involved in this nefarious activity, we aren't even sure if we can trust what they're saying in the scientific literature. So we really do feel stuck without any real guidance and a lot of us have taken a crash course in medical science over the last year it was exciting to me and interesting just to even learn what exosomes typically are supposed to do I guess let me ask you this so. People like these other explanations because they're actionable if it's five g will i'll just avoid that and keep my phone in a different room and turn off my wife i have to see mf radiation if its nexus on well i don't have to do anything because there is no problem there, and then if it's you know if terrain theory has more value than at least i have some control over my situation and i do obviously think that has a lot of merit but it the reality is that we just have.

52:07 an escaped man-made pathogen if we really do have this like, bioweapon as you say out there then it becomes difficult to know what to do about it. Obviously we don't want to amplify anyone's fear out there and the establishment solutions are things that we don't want like ventilators or vaccines so how do you advise people best navigate this situation? How do we make this actionable I would compare this to, and you know a lot of people open a can of worms here but i would compare this to the flat earth argument. Okay? I'm going to put a lot of faith into an argument and I'm going to add a lot of things that have nothing to do with that argument into the argument for instance I'm going to say that geocentricism and heliocentricism have anything to do with the flat earth no it doesn't your

53:02 You're making an argument the earth is flat and saying that geo or heliocentricism, is a reason why the earth is flat. Has nothing to do with whether the Earth is flat or not right? But it's a way of using legitimate things to back up illegitimate logical fallacies so when we're talking about And look, I'm sorry. But in the truth movement for a long time there's not a lot of truth and the truth moment is not a lot of reality going on around here and one who is infamous for saying so and pointing out people and saying Look what you're saying it's not true Why are you continuing to say that after? I've shown you but because you wrote a book cuz you made a movie You don't want to go back and you want to change your information There's a lot of people who are making a lot of money by being wrong Not just wrong but incorrect I should say right

53:56 I don't want this to be an opinion thing. There's so many things that are so easy to disprove if people will just put on that neutrality cap and say, okay, I've got a theory can I prove or disprove the theory? That is science! That is true science. That is what a researcher and someone looking for the truth should be doing now What's happening in this so-called movement, the so called alternative sphere is a bunch of faith based arguments being made and then just like in government, a consensus is being formed.

54:41 by groups of stations or by groups of hosts who are all making money off a product. There's all different reasons why people would come to consensus about things, and then that consensus-based so called fact gets spread around and parroted even though nobody...people aren't having they don't have any research behind them they don't have any time they've spent necessarily looking into any kind of factual sources. So we've got to realize that the biggest problem is us right now, the biggest problem is a bunch of parrots who are parroting a bunch of for lack of a better term bullshit

55:22 if we don't start with that then whatever gonna get anywhere right i get what you're saying so let's say all those other theories are wrong were not worried about them what we have out there is a bio weapon that has gotten loose or they put out their purposefully, whatever there's a bioweapon out there that can make us sick and if your vulnerable it can kill u. The system's solutions are worse. The system solution is the vaccine, we don't want that. What is the solution? Is there any?" And that's one of the big arguments I think needs to be made... ...is that all the criminal activity and all the trickery and all the false reporting and all of that stuff That again has nothing to do with whether it's a virus or not a virus

56:11 That is completely separate. That is all man-made stuff, that is all paperwork, that is all statistics, that is all stuff where people are lying about stuff...that has nothing to do with the fact that these scientists so called scientists have sat down and they openly discuss what they've created! Right? How do we protect ourselves from it? These are two separate things and we have to put all of that consensus based opinion aside then we can talk about your question Now, what is the question? How do we keep ourselves and our families safe from this bioweapon that is out there? Viruses are meant to be spread. And this is why I was trying to get at earlier right if you go watch some of those old TV programs You know the Brady Bunch for instance, you know The Flintstones all these different old cartoons We used to watch an old shows

57:05 The kids are just so excited that they have measles and they get to stay home a week from school. You know, you had chickenpox parties... It's really important understand these are supposed to be part of your childhood A lot of these diseases. Now, when we move up to a virus that has been purposefully genetically modified is that something you're supposed to catch? No! What they've done is they've attached the receptors and the protein spikes from things you are supposed to catch and now you have something that is purposefully made to be contagious. Now contagion is one gain-of-function

57:50 Being more deadly is another gain of function. Now, it seems to me that yes a lot of people are suffering from this and a lot of people are being harmed by it but most of those people are in situations where you know we're talking about older populations who have some as they say comorbidity or something like that so I'm calling the alarm on the fact that they have this stockpile of biological weapons sitting there in unsafe environments just waiting to be released. So you're probably asking the wrong person, I'm saying this is way worse than you can possibly imagine in the background, the things that are waiting to be released. This is what we should be focusing on. COVID

58:44 in a way, is almost like hey we're kind of lucky that we're getting the COVID instead of the H5N1 at this point. I don't know if it's being planned deliberately or if it's being released accidentally whatever... We're lucky that it's only this and not something that's going to kill 60 70 80 90 percent. Okay yeah well is it just pointless? Build up our immune system is it pointless i mean we have some resistances right we should armor of ourselves terrain theory has some merit. Maybe not against super viruses that are made in this lab and hopefully one doesn't get out but, we can do something besides just sit and twiddle our thumbs and hope that something doesn't get outright i mean to an extent but thats what we are doing were sitting unhealthy environments twiddling our thumbs

59:34 Eating a bunch of crap and we've been eating a bunch of crap for a long time so we don't have the nutrients built up in our nutrient tank to possibly find that's why the United States and some doctors have been saying look, The United States has an eight times higher rate of mortality in bad events because We're the most unhealthy society on earth. Right? So get off processed foods Get more sunlight drink quality water Avoid the medical system If anything it's a reminder of how badly we are treating our bodies. You know you could even go so far as to say look if we're going to treat our

1:00:13 Immune systems the way we've traded them if we're gonna If we've all been tricked into the vaccines and the medications and all these different things that cause autoimmune disease And everything else. We kind of deserve The fate of becoming sick and having all these problems because we've allowed this to happen This has all been voluntary in our parts. We can't forget that we can blame as many people as we want But let's step back a moment say well who's in charge of your diet? I Who's in charge of your medical history? Who is in charge of all these things?" Well, you are. So I don't think that we can look back...I think that we have to look forward and if we look forward what we have to look forward too are events that will decimate the population, events that will attack a certain part of the population. You know, I'm afraid more than anything this COVID

1:01:08 Because COVID, like HIV and AIDS makes men sterile. We've already seen all kinds of these tests showing that men who get COVID are sterile or producing enough white blood cells, dead white blood cells in their sperm to be sterile. And then you've got the vaccine which attacks the cytogen I think is a chemical and cytogen if you have an autoimmune response in your body where your body starts attacking its own functionality well... If you need this chemical to produce placenta

1:01:43 And your body says no every time it sees that chemical. For instance, if you were to get pregnant we're going to attack the body's ability to create placenta or go into spermatogenesis or anything else? You're talking about a mass sterilization campaign! You're talking about something that is way beyond what we are imagining as just okay its contagious but its not deadly and this and that... No there is much more grand purpose behind this I'm afraid that what you're seeing now is just the tip of the iceberg and that in five years out, you're going to start seeing all these autoimmune diseases. And if people aren't familiar with autoimmune disease, you really need to start reading up on what an auto antibody is and what an auto immune disease because it's literally your body attacking yourself anything this how they cause sterilization in all mammals

1:02:38 is by just injecting a piece of pig ovary into your system and your body starts attacking that as a foreign entity, and it's so similar to you that is starts attacking your own. And suddenly can't have children are there so much more going on behind this and I think most of your audience realizes that yeah I think so too and its like Sure there are things we can do in our immediate environment to shore up our immune systems to a degree against most natural things and there's also a lot of models out there whether it's government think tank models like deagle or even more esoteric clairvoyant type predictions and everybody is saying that in the next five six years

1:03:26 We're talking about 60% reduction of the planet 80 percent reduction of the human population. There's many different areas where if you ask them for their best guess at what the next five to ten years looks like it's something like that and That said, the only thing I can really tell you is And this goes from coming full circle all through the learning the legal side of things, going through the Bible, learning what the Bible actually says and what it warns about. Going through as a purely neutral non-religious way looking at the Bible is a book of law you know what you should follow to be healthy for instance. Looking at all these different things I can only tell you this

1:04:12 What is the purpose of life? What is that which makes life possible it is the purity of The systems, the biomes and all these different things that allow us to have existence within this. And the microbiome and all these viruses and all these different you know macrophages and all these different things that are in our bodies, are there to keep us in that purified rarefied state because that is how we are able to live in nature. What is happening to us Craig is that we're being removed systematically from our ability to communicate naturally in ways we don't even understand with nature

1:05:01 So the only way I can answer your question is to remove yourself from all things that are unnatural. To go back to nature in a real way, where's your water supply coming? What's your food supply coming from? Are there nutrients in your foods? What have you done to ensure... This is the only thing I can tell you because the farther you get away from this ability to accept viruses from nature If you have an autoimmune disease because you've been injected with something else that causes your body to fight this, one of the things people are dying off right now is because—and this was the reason that should never happen in the first place—is all the rat models and mouse models. All the mice that were injected with any kind of experimental vaccine when it

1:05:54 as far as an RNA vaccine that we're talking about, they all died when they were then exposed to the real virus. The circulating virus excuse me right so that's what's happening to people is you're developing these they call them a cytokine storm or whatever... You're basically having an autoimmune response to your own system. You're creating auto antibodies which then attack any, you know, antibodies basically and you're having this cascade effect where Look, as much as we like it or hate it this COVID thing is pretty much now in the circulation. If you get this vaccine 5-10% of people are probably going to develop this autoimmune disease maybe more over time I don't know that's going to make them extremely allergic to the COVID virus This was shown and all the models all the tests all the things they did that said no we shouldn't do RNA virus vaccines every single rat

1:06:57 They died when they came into contact with the circulating, or I hate to call it natural virus but wild type virus because it's a man-made virus. But you get the point now you're talking about in three to five years you're going to see different types of these autoimmune responses anywhere from sterilization to there are like 11 or 12 different things they've listed now as side effects that are autoimmune diseases That is what's going to wipe us out because what does that really mean? That means you're allergic to yourself. You're fighting your body's own capacity to exist in nature, right? So the only thing I can tell you folks is To go back to nature stop putting artificial things in your body 100% Yeah Because everything you do every vaccine every drug you take and you know some of them are

1:07:58 Surely accidental some of them are designed to take you out of that cycle to the point where you won't even be able to exist without transhumanism you will be able to. live without artificial things given to you, to support you because you're no longer part of nature. And at that point? You can be patented! Which would be the least your problems... Right right so The only thing I could tell you is that every science fiction or other kind of story that talks about this it always refers to what's happening right now and that is a war against nature

1:08:36 Yeah, I mean that is the simple easy answer is avoid the vaccine Avoid the medical system avoid man-made unnatural compounds going into your body and do the best you can to stay in The natural world. That is the long and short of it. That's the simple answer. I hope people take that advice It's the biblical answer too by the way Well alright then Fair enough and i got one last question if we can squeeze this in but I was curious about this statement you make on your. About page on the website where you write, I think that's well written and we all make mistakes sometimes.

1:09:37 What are some of the biggest things that you're referring to here? What have been some of these misconceptions that you've had to wise up to with more research over time. I'll give you a big one. I read the damn Constitution! And then, I looked back at some of my earlier things and like...I can't believe I ever actually said the Constitution was a good thing. I can't even remember thinking that honestly. I've made mistakes where I put in my opinion as we were talking about earlier. You know once you put your opinion on something and

1:10:18 Stop yourself from being open to change well then you know again your foundation is flawed your entire superstructure is going to fail so if i have something that i've thought it's true that's been an untrue my whole life. Well, then everything else is going to be based on that untruth and I can never possibly be right. So you have to always have an open mind—again science! A scientific mind where no matter what your current theory is it can be and probably will be broken or improved on or proven wrong

1:10:57 Right? And the only way to do that is to keep going forward, not to reach some point and then just say okay. That's it I'm done. I don't need to go any further. I've found the truth! You know...I happen to believe that there are several different matrixes set up for us you know There is the mainstream matrix There is the alternative matrix For those who think they have escaped the mainstream And then there is the next matrix for those who think they have escaped the alternative And then there's one beyond that, who knows? There are all kinds of simulations set up. There are all kinds of mindsets you can get into to think I have knowledge and this and that. So how about the Fed? I was all about Ron Paul and da-da-da-da-da... Then I read the Federal Reserve Act!

1:11:45 I tore down the entire Fed mess. And that was probably one of my first encounters with the truth movement, that they don't want the truth because history would be one of the pillars. I'm sorry now that I just said that. History is absolutely the most important part of any domineering tyranny or country as we call it. Because without the history why would anybody accept United States as a government unless it had the history? the false history, the false narrative that they put out about the founding fathers and all that stuff. Nobody in their right mind would allow such a corrupt entity as United States government to exist and control them if they understood or I should say if there was no history behind it. The history is of course written by the victors. History he who controls the past controls the future etc etc so history's absolutely

1:12:45 One of the most important pillars and it even defines us because how many times I mean, how many times you lied about yourself countless? Probably okay. I need to say nothing more can we're all and we all have to admit that We all have to come down to earth And we all have to say hey we omit details or we don't want people who know something stupid we did in our past Or whatever it is It's understandable But it's when you start believing in that, and you start omitting your own history then you become the problem. You start omitting the fact that the founding fathers were slaveholders when you start omitting the fact that everything about what they did doesn't somehow add up when you admit the fact that they are all masons... The whole thing becomes

1:13:39 the concept of history, in other words. And why history is always sort of very close to fiction and all these other allegories and all that it's because there is no such thing as history right? History is always a lie even though history we tell about ourselves is a lie how can you expect history to be true When in 2010, some guy decides to write an autobiography about someone who lived a thousand years ago. That's not history! That shouldn't even count as anything! For one thing we're living in completely different times you cannot compare the past with the future

1:14:24 Technology has brought us into a place where if it's taken away we're so dumb right now. We wouldn't know how to feed ourselves It's true, so you cannot compare the history of yesterday this year today just it's non Factual it cannot be applied and I think that's why it's so important to learn from history? Like, why are we telling about history because we want to pass on a moral story. We don't want to repeat the errors of the past." That's a very important way and that's what the Bible is—it's an allegory it's a way of having a moral compass to guide you through all this stuff. That's all it is! It's nothing else. It's not meant to be a history. Nowhere in it does it say it's a

1:15:11 Everything has been so inverted again that we should hate what we should love and love what we should hate. We just have to come back down now, sorry I lost the original question! All good, all good. Just your opinions that have changed over time and you gave us some great examples. Yeah I mean i've made some really stupid mistakes but just because I think I know you know and I've learned from those mistakes I say no not just because...I wrote a thing on parasites brain parasites and my opinion that the reason things are so messed up is because people have parasites in their heads that are changing

1:15:54 Just like in nature, when a parasite infects the ladybug and the ladybug then protects the wasp that's eating out its guts. All these different parasites... It's fascinating to look at! Then when you start looking at human brain parasites and you're like holy crap there are all these parasites that can make us dumb, they can make us do stupid things, there is toxoplasmosis 40% of population has toxoplasmosis, it's all these different parasites It would make sense that the reason things are so nuts right now is that we're parasitically infected by something. That's making us pretty much psychopathic, however when I wrote that, I assumed when i saw the word Sanger my mind raced right to Margaret Sanger

1:16:43 And it was the Sanger Institute, which is not Margaret Sanger. I wrote this whole thing on eugenics and da-da-dah and the Sanger. It turns out after I'm all done and it's released and wonderful, I have to go back and change it because I made this huge mistake by Automatically assuming the name sanger applied to margaret sanger classic conspiracy issue you know these are playing fast and loose with the terms that happens yes. Also you have two you make a decision because i'm not making any money from selling that as a final product why would i have a problem going back and fixing it now all these people who promoting all these things that i found out or not true

1:17:30 Unfortunately they're not gonna go change their books or documentaries or anything else even though i've openly challenged people on it you know its me i don't know i make money this is my career and make money from interviewing guests send they have contradictory opinions all the time and if something has said that turns out to be true i have no problem saying now that was a red herring let's not go into that area again. I have no problem doing that and it doesn't have anything to do with this as a model for income." Yeah, but for people like G. Edward Griffin who literally is the go-to guy for what the Fed is and he wrote The Creature from Jekyll Island and all of that stuff... When you go in and disprove just about everything he says there and congressional record shows that's not true? What do you do?

1:18:23 All you can do is expose it and people come out of this lie that the Fed is not part of the Fed. That it wasn't created by Congress somehow, so again that took a major part of my life to say look I was wrong about the Fed. I looked at the comprehensive annual financial report or the audit of the Fed oh wait a minute there's no audit yes there is Ron Paul knows about the audit He's very aware of the audit, and he refuses to talk about the CAFR. Go to the Federal Reserve website it tells you where the audit is what it is and that's all it'll ever be because that's the full audit of the Fed right on And all the things they say that even though the fed doesn't talk about

1:19:03 It's right in the CAFR. All the things you could want, everything they say is not in the... that needs to be audited it's in the audit. It's called a comprehensive annual financial report and every government agency has one because they're all corporations. All corporations must file a comprehensive annual financial report Right and this sounds like obviously it's getting into a whole nother can of worms but don't you think there are black budgets and hidden money and that some other stuff is just for show in just to play kate the masses and i real audit is probably not the same what they're willing to put down on the books. What about its actually opposite it's the only time their under oaths well,

1:19:44 So if you lie on the audit, you will be in some serious trouble. Think about this... People lie! People in the club lie under oath all of the time Right but you gotta understand I figured out this whole system by looking at the CAFR's That was the first thing that I ever looked at because it just was circumstance and then I met Walter Berian And then I figured out okay all these stocks in the world is owned by government, by pension funds. And government literally owns every corporation on earth through stock investment." I had no idea that was the case! Nobody seems to know right? But i figured that out because here's an audit...I didn't know there was an actual audit because Ron Paul and G. Edward Griffin are telling me there's no audit yet here it is required by law under oath

1:20:31 And everything I could want to know is in there, and you compare it to the budget report. You see that they're hiding all kinds of stuff by not reporting it in the budget but reporting it in this little-known document called the CAFR. You can get for your city, you can get for any municipal corporation—the state, the county, the district, school districts...I did four documentaries on it! And yet people are still believing that there's no audit for the Fed and the Fed was some magical thing that somehow is disconnected from government. I've completely just proven this, and like I said, I'm troubled by authors who will not make a statement like I just made—that you just read on the blog—who will not go back and change their works because they know they're wrong, they're proven wrong, they're in a corner

1:21:22 But there's some books yeah well we all make mistakes live and learn it is a journey we should be wise enough to at least admit our mistakes when we make them but. Man, we really covered a lot today. Obviously we fit in as much as we could but you've got hours and hours of really good research across your channels and websites tell people the best way to follow up on your work and how to navigate through The Corporation Nation versus The Red Pill Sunday School What's the latest bit shoot over YouTube all that good stuff? Yeah well YouTube decided to while they've been three of my videos

1:22:01 either my video or one I was in. And so, I kind of moved my stuff over to Bitchute and will try to keep posting on both but both of those channels are called Red Pill Sunday School. I did two radio seasons... So there's probably a hundred hours of stuff up there on Red Pill Sunday School which is all of my research and stuff And my blog is realityblogger.wordpress.com and all that is free, everything's free, all my documentaries and everything I decided that when I first started because I didn't want to be compromised in any way by money or people trying to influence what I say and don't say

1:22:54 Definitely made a difference definitely allowed me to go places people don't want to go and it also brought a lot of self-awareness. Because you really ultimately the end goal of any research you do is gonna end up with yeah there's a problem but your other one, you know, each of us individually and as a group are the one promoting the problem by participating in it. Participating in the lies, participate believing that there is a Fed and that money has value and all that stuff so yeah otherwise I've got all my old radio shows about 1 000 of them are up at

1:23:36 Let's see, Corporation Nation Radio Archive I believe is what it's called. I haven't looked at that in a while though but yeah otherwise all my documentaries oh the corporation nation is a channel on YouTube that has my old documentaries as well Very cool. Yeah, right on well this was a pleasure man I think we gave the people plenty to ponder thanks for coming on and glad we could do it finally after so long It has been awhile huh? Yes And you know what likewise you were one of the most requested people to do a show with on my end as well Oh wow So isn't that interesting yeah it is! I'm just a humble stoner college dropout so Hey right there with ya Fair

1:24:23 Cool. Well, enjoy the day man! Take care out there and keep fighting the good fight Alright man thank you so much appreciate it You got it have a good one If you recall the couple of shows we've done about viruses and vaccines with Patrick Jordan, who promotes his serum sickness postulate that the vast majority or even maybe all modern disease can be attributed to the emergence and development of vaccines. And really just putting unnatural things in our body—we don't know how it reacts years later!

1:25:08 Well, as far as I understand Patrick Jordan and Clint became close through a multitude of appearances on Clint's old radio show. So i'm pretty sure they had a little bit of influence on one another or at least researched in parallel as they formed their thoughts around how a lot of these things work. I meant to ask Clint about Patrick but there's only so much time and he gave us a little extra time which I am appreciative of But I'm pretty sure that is probably the main reason Clint has had a slew of requests for him to be on THC, and i'm glad we could finally make it happen. It seems like the right time. Clint's coronavirus expose is nine hours guys but as we said it's very little commentary from him. It's mostly a compilation of these gain-of-function researchers talking about their field and the ethics of it all

1:26:03 And I know Clint's answer is just don't meddle. But is that practical? Can we really stop the whole world from doing this sort of research, do we want to? Besides bioweapons and superbugs does anything good come out of this work? I really don't know! We like to focus on the hazards around here but is there even a point to shutting it down in the U.S if it's going to be going on overseas obviously this happened in China at Wuhan lab with American scientists working there Maybe the governments of the world could just behave in ways that don't require them to work on risky super viruses because they're not making a bunch of enemies from which they need to defend themselves on things like this. I don't know! Of course, that seems pretty unlikely. Part of me thinks this is just what man does

1:26:53 Clint obviously has a strong religious foundation or i should say spiritual one and mine is developing in a lot more flexible but it seems like this physical reality is for exploration of all types and so you take our innate drive to push and pull on the experiences in the physical world, add in jealous demons and archons whispering in our ears. Because they have an innate drive to fuck with us and push to see how much influence they can have on this plane, they quote-unquote inspire or encourage some people to push on reality itself to the point that it breaks. And the cycle starts again whether you inject the whole world with something that can't be pulled back out of the genetic structures that nature uses to flourish

1:27:43 Or you create an AI that utilizes tools that are not supposed to exist in this reality as it was designed, and it goes off the rails and opens portals that are supposed to keep these dimensional layers separate. I don't know! But those feel like two ways to break everything in a big way... And pollution too no shortage of that Corrupting the water beyond repair You know people doing good job on that also So no shortage of reality breaking operations going on But we're still kicking it, at least for now. about COVID-19 from the bioweapon perspective. Chris Knowles said it first, I think and Dr. Farrell spoke on it at length as we talked about the Justice Department announcing the indictment of that Harvard professor after he allegedly made some statements to authorities that were less than honest about his work at Wuhan University. Dr. Charles Lieber was his name

1:28:51 the former chair of Harvard's chemistry and chemical biology department. I guess the gist of the story is that Lieber was a strategic scientist at the Wuhan, not lab but university of technology in China because his expertise was nano-technology But i think that thread that Dr Farrell has focused on ties in very nicely with the overall arguments here I might have actually missed some of the points that Clint was making today because this stuff can be complex and i think im still left a little unclear on a few issues. I kept trying to return to terrain theory to get his thoughts, because i think Clint is an advocate for it if we're talking about a strong immune system meaning less susceptibility to illness obviously

1:29:44 And I've talked to you guys about several terrain theory books that i've read that really try to dismiss the notion of contagion overall with some pretty interesting counter-arguments for many big sickness events in the past. Some of them are pretty convincing if you're looking at each event on a case by case basis so there's a lot of good material there but it also seems he was trying to make the point that viruses exist to spread Our bodies have a virome and there is a usefulness to viruses and to your body working with them in a natural context, which is such a key phrase. When we're in this gain-of-function lab altered world then I guess all bets are off the natural processes have been altered and we can't rely on them functioning as they're supposed to so that's kind of the intellectual fine line that I'm trying to walk

1:30:43 As for covid specifically being from a lab with gain of function properties well we know level four labs are working with this kind of stuff that's not even up for debate and when you watch clint documentary and hear the actual scientist talking about their work they say those very phrases like. We know many labs have released pathogens we didn't want to lose. Many of these leaks go unreported or undetected, there is no reporting agency for this sort of thing! We have tried to increase infectiousness in mammalian transmission Any experiment you do with a pathogen has the potential to make it more-or less virulent And new strains are extremely unlikely to arise if we aren't creating them That's the one I wanna focus on ya know?

1:31:32 It sucks that the toothpaste can't be put back in the tube and we are just so far from an era where scientific research, study and tinkering didn't fuck everything up. It was SO long ago that we really only have the idea of it at this point And of course we know about the simulations they've run We know who the funders are of this very research and the benefactors of the COVID-19 situation The pieces really do start to fit pretty well don't they? Yes, the PCR test is fatally flawed as well. Cary Mullis thought Fauci was a fool and I've heard him discuss that on video And he conveniently died right before all of this kicked off so there's that piece too

1:32:15 So I spent a decent part of 2020 learning about the extreme opinions regarding contagiousness, and i've even done around of interviews urging people to take a deeper look at this stuff because there's a lot of useful perspective there that isn't making it into the mainstream conversation as we know. And it will ease your fears over contagiousness by at least half for good reason but again altering something in a lab throws a wrench in the whole field And more and more people are starting to ask that question now that people are less in panic mode and doing a bit more wondering. I also think it's useful to go over those examples of public experimentation that have happened, that we covered kind of early in the show because if they would do these things that are verified you better be a bit more critical of all their behavior and the products they create for you

1:33:10 And I was going to bring this up too. I know Bill Maher gets a bad rap for being a liberal mouthpiece, i get it but his comedy is sharper than most things on tv It's quite raw Quite funny and he is willing to take a look at things that others aren't sometimes and he chastises liberals harder than anyone else when it comes to the censorship cancel culture route He's very clear that it's a bad one He also did a great interview with a vaccine skeptic that you can look up. But I wanted to play this clip from just a couple weeks ago when he had Brett Weinstein and Heather Hine on because this is a really interesting conversation to be taking place on a mainstream platform the clip here is eight minutes, so I'm going to cut it down as much as I can to just the relevant parts but here goes We've heard a lot recently about the fact that maybe the virus did start in the lab

1:34:07 Let's talk about that the fact that there is this lab I think it's the only one in the world quite like it in Wuhan where it started It would almost be a conspiracy theory to think. It didn't start in a lap Okay, right and and and that theory was demonized at first that oh it can come on That's conspiracy thinking that it would started in the lab but it It certainly is a 50-50, would you say that? Oh it's far more likely than that. As a matter of fact I said in June the chances that it came from the lab looked to me like about 90%. So this was never a conspiracy theory and in fact that term is simply used to make it go away

1:34:48 an obvious hypothesis that is in need of testing and we are only now a year in getting to the point where we can discuss it out loud without being stigmatized. Okay- A big part of the problem, of course, We are so politicized, we're so polarized and partisan now as a country that if the wrong guy proposed this to begin with and for half the country it was the wrong guy then the rest of the country says no way, no how. We're going to call that a conspiracy theory And uh...and we're never gonna revisit it And the fact is that's not how science works. That is not science, you need to say I've got a pattern, I'm gonna make some observations and I am going to consider every possible explanation on the table and did it leak from a lab? That was clearly from the beginning a possibility. But let's assume that the Chinese were not trying to create a bioweapon It's possible they were If they were then they did hell of a job because they shut down the world but lets assume they were just studying this

1:35:48 For elements and ari reasons we want to have them but it got out. It raises the question should we ever be studying viruses in labs this way if were just going to create the problem that were trying Well, that battle was taking place before the COVID-19 epidemic. There were two factions there was a faction that said we had no choice but to study these viruses and in fact to engage in what's called gain of function research where we turbocharge the viruses and make them much more dangerous than they are on the condition we find them And the argument was that we had to do that in order to know what they would be like

1:36:25 in their dangerous form and could perhaps prepare by generating a vaccine. And then there was another faction that said, actually we're likely to create exactly the disaster we fear and what was missing from this discussion was a proper evolutionary analysis Now, the fact is there are lots of viruses that can escape from nature and infect people. But in general they don't have a second trick. That is to say they can infect you, they can make you sick maybe they can kill you but they can't jump to the next person and so what's really conspicuous about this virus is that it had both tricks from the get-go It infects people and it jumps from one person to the next with no explanation And now it seems to be having a third trick which is its mutating which of course is not new Viruses are always mutating

1:37:08 That's why flu shots are very often so ineffective. Because you're getting the vaccine for... that's why I never wanted a flu shot, for the one that was around last year sometimes they're as little as 10% effective But okay, this one is definitely mutating We have a lot of them now The South African one, British one They're all over the world now I heard at the beginning of this that they usually get milder viruses As they mutate because they want to survive They don't wanna kill anybody then they got no host You might expect that a virus that did emerge from the lab that was doing gain-of-function research would precisely not do the thing that wild type viruses would do. That it might exactly do what we seem to be seeing, get more virulent, get more pathogenic. You think its getting more virulent? The mutations... If you think about it, the expectation amongst those who have been seriously investigating the question of whether this is a gain-of-function lab escape virus

1:38:10 is that the virus would have been passed through either animals in the lab or tissues in the lab, in order to use evolution to re-rig it. And that means that effectively tension was put on the virus, pulling it in the direction of certain things. Some of those things were intentional like infectivity of human cells which may have given it extra capacities like this fur and cleavage site that no other virus has but SARS-CoV2 does So, in any case, in an attempt to give it these extra capacities lots of things will have been inflicted on the virus including things that we don't think about. So many of the characteristics... The fact that this virus attacks so many different tissues in the body does not seem natural. The fact that at least at the beginning did not seem to transmit outdoors nearly at all is very conspicuous I mean after all

1:39:05 most animals live outdoors. So a virus that seems to be adapted to indoor transmission is a bit conspicuous in this case, but I think Heather's point is all right you take the tension off of it you let it go into the human population it spreads out we've now got many millions of individuals with infections It's now going to move in the direction that makes the most sense for it rather than the most sense for the researchers so yes I think there's every possibility what we are seeing is a response to this virus now being free to explore evolutionary space. And the common theme is, we need an evolutionary perspective on the research that's being done it seems that there are certainly perverse incentives once you start doing research to try and keep doing that research regardless of whether or not its still good for

1:39:53 humanity, right? And excuse me. Whether or not this virus emerged from a lab or not actually has implications for how it is likely to behave now that it's out in the world and how therefore we should imagine how likely these things are going to be going forward. So we should have been paying attention to the lab theory at the beginning but we didn't because it was politicized really as the moral there So I think a lot of the things said there make sense, and a lot of it jives with Quint's points today. I particularly like when Brett talks about the virus not really spreading outdoors. That is odd! That seems like some type of alteration. And even talking in that clip they seem to be in agreement that what nature produces is not very threatening without the lab tampering

1:40:47 I also wanted to say that when you look at the models and the psychics and the predictions, all these indications that the next decade will be full of a lot of problems and drastic population reduction due to some kind of illness. The argument people make is oh well thats the vaccine damage coming from this global rollout If we can't avoid it, I would like to think that because i'm not going to get the vaccine so wouldn't be my problem but also think it could be the decay of society and.

1:41:25 What happens at these labs when society falls apart kinda like a nuclear facility and they stop taking care of them and they start to crumble down then. Radiation leaks out why wouldn't these kind of dangerous labs have a similar situation happen just as our society crumbles in decays that's the scary one that's wildcard So I don't know. I never want to steer you guys wrong, a lot of the time we're on a learning journey together what people seem to like about this show is hearing a range of alternative angles and deciding for themselves so we've tried to do that throughout 2020 but the stakes are just a little bit higher because we're all dealing with something in real time and i understand that early tendency to call it a hoax...I mean we dealt with the bird flu and the swine flu and that was much ado about nothing

1:42:21 But at this point, to say that there isn't a sickness spreading through humanity is a little disingenuous. Isn't it? It did take many months for me to know anyone who got sick and even more months for me to know a young healthy person who got sick but now I know a few and they lost their taste and smell they were sick for a week and then they were back i even hung out smoking weed with one of these people for hours and me and my wife never had any symptoms of anything So all this is to say that I think we can agree that Clint makes some great points that need to be made. Other guests have done a great job of resetting the germ theory terrain theory table in a proper context, and I do get a little uneasy when a guest talks shit on previous guests but what are you gonna do? It is what it is not everyone's going to agree! I just tend to leave it alone and move on with my next question

1:43:15 But if we're going to cover all sorts of angles, not everyone can be right. But if there's an angle to COVID that you haven't heard on THC and you think there is an expert out there who makes a good case let me know! I'm open-minded And I would also agree with that argument that vaccines contribute greatly to a range of autoimmune disease that has our bodies attacking themselves. I also think it's responsible for a lot of cancer and just probably a whole host of problems probably in my goddamn deaf ear So I do keep that stuff at bay as best i can in my adult life anyway and I think we'd be a lot better off worrying about the toxins we're encountering regularly and artificial foods than viruses and germs. Usually, in most situations, and even in this situation that's what you should be concerned with because that's what you can control

1:44:09 Is there a 5G EMF component to why people are getting sick? It's possible. I think the electromagnetic soup we live in wreaks havoc on our immune systems In fact, it seems like the electrical systems of the body are related to immune function and general health and energy levels more so than anything else So yeah that could be a factor But if it's all 5G, why isn't there a radius type of pattern to people getting sick around these towers? Why isn't one whole side of the neighborhood getting sick because they're closer. I just don't see that in the evidence to call 5G the main culprit. If you have doubt on this overall perspective that Clint presented today sit through his documentary and then we'll talk. I'd like to know what problems you see with it because I didn't find many

1:45:02 But this is just where I'm at with what i've seen at this point. It doesn't mean that the numbers aren't completely exaggerated, it doesn't mean the lockdowns are justified, and it doesn't mean I want the vaccine so don't get it twisted! My opinions aren't really worth much anyway. I just try to present you with the range of alternatives and use my skills to try to get the best out of people who I think have some answers And you work it out for yourself, because we know they're lying to us. We just don't know to what degree." Clint makes a lot of good points about the word magic and tricks with language stuff too I tried to get into that a little bit in the first hour but it is a much bigger part of the second hour where we switched gears from medical stuff to focus on his work on the straw man stuff and the legal fiction research he's done and the book he wrote

1:45:55 That's always been a segment of conspiracy culture that i find intellectually interesting but again not all i can do with that information which is why we cover it so rarely. It may be true at base level in fact i think it is but, i don't know that judges and lawyers and everyone involved into days world has that context so i dont know how useful it is Yes, you're representing your legal fiction when you go get a driver's license and ask the state for permission to do something you should be free to do or you don't want to pay taxes because taxation is theft. Well good luck to ya! It's a level of commitment I don't have it's not that the straw man legal fiction maritime law folks are wrong and its good context to keep in mind once in awhile but I'm here to have fun

1:46:47 Not get my car impounded for driving without a license or ignoring fines while I get dragged from the courtroom screaming about my personhood and natural sovereignty. Which is why a guy like Clint might say that I'm part of the problem, I guess? And of course, I roll my eyes and play the game like a lot of you guys at least up until that point when I need to be injected with an experimental vaccine to show my allegiance to the flag That's where the line is drawn for me If you're into those sorts of conversations you probably like the second hour today show we talked about these sort of things as well as. Price first true value relationship between debt time and labor, pillars affection the matrix around us lies about space in our environment and we brought a little bit more and about vaccines and prions

1:47:39 It was all good stuff. Sign up for THC+, get the Plus RSS feed, plug it right into your podcast app you're using now and get the full show! It's time goddammit! But that's pretty much it for me. I had fun with Clint, he is a good speaker and makes great points and I prefer to just not get too hung up on the areas where maybe we don't agree Obviously there were a couple things that came up And the people who know me by now probably recognized them No need to pick on every little thing But I do declare this meeting of the Midnight Society closed. Take care of yourself out there, life is to be lived so make sure you're letting the good times roll and i'll see ya next time! Your move frankenvirus makers PCR test fakers and natural world tainters... You're FU- Sometimes when I get down I eat a bunch of corporate junk Stuff that makes you fat Yeah it's for making industry Dysautonomics don't have to face it

1:49:09 Got an addiction to the digital technology. Oh and then I try to quit, but it's too hard. See discipline is no fun. I fuck discipline! It only happens in big conspiracy. Send every one of them to me.