Chris Knowles | Lucifer’s Technologies, Demon Alchemy, & The Roswell-crucians

00:05 The planet's puppet masters almost surely have a plan There's clearly maybe something there beyond the realm of man Until we've thoroughly tested every last close-chested view I find The more we think, we know. The less we really do Mind to us just don't know To what degree higher sidechats show Greg Carlwood

00:56 Moving on up, Pirate Side Chatters. From the Sunshine State I'm Greg Carlwood and according to the most oldest writings and stories that humanity has it was once widely known and commonly accepted that we have some other type of beings sharing space with this material matrix and even maybe more than one. Call them gods, angels, demons, spirit guides, extended masters, ultra-terrestrials comic tricksters multi dimensional plasma beings or simply the entities but man has been trying hard to make sense of all these encounters maybe as far back as mans been able to make sense of anything And from the accounts of ancient cultures and countless biblical examples to occult workings in shamanic trance states, these spontaneous instances of bizarre interactions usually involve the themes of rulership, prophetic messages, information downloads and oftentimes exchanges or gifts of some kind out-of-place magical object. Many researchers even say crop circles are designs or blueprints for exotic energy systems we've yet to crack –or at least have yet to be released openly–

01:59 But in 1947 something changed. Somehow we lost all prior context for these encounters and the people were convinced by military intelligence and Hollywood social engineers that alien beings from a foreign planet crash landed in the New Mexico desert, and the story was intentionally leaked the reverse engineering of this so-called spaceship has remained the limited hangout alternative explanation ever since. Right on up to today, military whistleblowers are keen to send stories of this crash or that one telling us full blown disclosure is right around the corner but according today's returning guest Chris Knowles, the whole disclosure movement is a distraction and distortion to obscure true triggers for encounters that conform more to well established historical context ritual and occult workings

02:44 THC listeners know Chris well as the man behind The Secret Sun blog and now The Secret Sun Institute of Advanced Synchromysticism, and its substat companion. He's also the author of many great books including Our Gods Wear Spandex, The Secret History Of Comic Book Heroes, The Synchro-Mystic Handbook, and his novel, HE WILL LIVE UP IN THE SKY! In THCs 15 years I believe this makes the fifteenth time we've had him here and it's an honor to break in the new video format with the man who knows the plan, the Gen X high strangeness researcher para-political pattern recognizer and professor of The Secret Sun Institute of Advanced Synchromysticism. Chris my man welcome back! Great to be here

03:25 As always. Yes, so the audience knows we've talked about your Lucifer's technology series before but it's one of my favorites and it started almost a decade ago in 2016 since then A lot of things have happened that support the idea rather than take away from it But if I was to boil it down to three major points just to catch everybody up, technology is a Trojan horse or a Faustian bargain with some sort of non-human entity sometimes given through occult or ritual contact means. Events like Roswell and the giant leaps in technology need to be reexamined within that context and the modern ETH UFO narrative was seated as a cover story for something much more occult-y that happened in the 1940s. Would you amend any of that as an explanation of the overall premise? That's pretty strong, it's pretty good summation I thought about this in advance believe it or not No, It's pretty good

04:23 I like it. So let's fold in a couple of recent things that we didn't have to examine in 2016, most recently Katy Perry's space flight if you want to call it that from Blue Origins New Shepard You wrote about this and entitled post mystery Babylon the Kate rides Lucifer's love rocket Tell us about this when you decode this the way you've just decoded other things What do you see in this space flight as they say? Well, it's not even near space. You know they're just basically scraping the lower end of the thermosphere so it's basically upper atmosphere and they're not going anywhere in their space they never have It's really just a big ego trip ritual for Jeff Bezos you know the obvious phallic

05:15 rockets that they use, and everybody is just like what are they doing? What is that all about. It's all ritual when I saw the most recent emanation of this with Katy Perry and all the rest of them as far as a ritual to Ishtar And I don't think that's too big a stretch because if you look at the mission patch They have the eight-pointed star of Ishtar and of course the name New Shepard itself corresponds with Temuze aka Demuzi the shepherd boy lover of Ishtar, aka Inanna, aka Aragardas, aka whatever you want to call her. So it just seemed clear to me by the mission patch because everybody was sort of looking at and going oh that kind of looks like Baphomet upside down right? And I was looking at it and going well actually that looks like a uterus, looks like a stylized uterus in the same way that Virgin's ridiculous space plane looks like a uterus

06:11 And the interesting thing about that is like, why did they have that design on that patch? Because the rocket they sent up you know, the dick rocket doesn't look anything like what they put on the patch. So what's the connection there? So it was clear to me that it was all about this uterus... uterine sacrifice to the goddess Ishtar who is the god of the sky- goddess of the sky don't forget and that's her one of her roles The Sky and War I think this whole quote unquote space race is no such thing. It's really just clandestine missile testing and also ritual practice going back all the way to Parsons, you know who used to recite the hymn to Pan before every rocket launch? Yeah and there are definitely some interesting details about that whole thing in

06:59 the corpus of the Lucifer's technology material. You noted that this Katy Perry thing also happened the day after Palm Sunday, which seems like a relevant detail they are always playing with these patches and revealing little things in there but what I thought was really kind of eye-opening was when you got into the logos for Blue Origin so the current logo is a feather which why? You know, maybe if you're talking about fallen angels a feather makes some sense. And then the old logo this is where it gets weird twin turtles appealing to the heavens and the turtle is in the Babylonian kunduru It's apparently sacred to Enki. Enki was called the lord of the world and there's a winged hourglass on it it's a very layered and complex symbol compared to

07:52 Blue Feather, but the lore of the world is a name for Enki. He had six helpers there's six ladies on this mission in the capsule I think you're definitely onto something like i said In the intro if the context is occult rather than ETH it all has to be folded in Roswell has to be folded in all these events have to be folded in so Yeah, when you look at the details of this thing it is stranger than it appears for sure. Well that blue origin patch I mean what does it have to do with space flight at all? The whole iconography of it just has no connection to shooting for the stars and so on... Listen, I'm old right? I'm an old Gen Xer. I used to be a big space guy used to be really into it And then I just realized that

08:44 Ritual basically ritual and missile testing and propaganda for the whole idea of everlasting technological progress which we're now realizing is a myth. We're really coming up against the end of it no matter what they say with AI and all the rest of it I mean so little has actually changed because have the control over atoms that we have over electrons. And I think all these quote unquote space programs, you know you make absolute almost trillionaires out of people like Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos and like what's the payback? Well they've got to perform their rituals! You know i mean NASA isn't very good at it anymore so you need some young technologically savvy upstarts

09:38 perform the obligations to the sky gods. And, to most people that sounds absolutely insane until you really start to break down the symbolism and timing. You know, you talked about the day after Palm Sunday Musk has been doing stuff on the cross quarter days I've been blogging on that Beltane was a big one so it's this whole process that really has nothing to do with space because none of these things are going anywhere near space. They're not even getting up to where we're supposed to believe the ISIS is, and there's another name too right? The International Space Station ISIS that they send the Dragon up to so it's just totally Revelation 12. Always layered Yeah, I mean the whole thing is all a big show

10:32 And coming to that realization was very difficult for me. You know, because I like I said from a little being a little kid, I was really into space. I was into NASA and my mother used to order me like pictures of the Apollo landings and stuff and got me actually got me an autograph of one of the quote unquote Apollo astronauts. It was a real come down but once you see it, you can't unsee it. You can't unsee just how fake it all is Mm-hmm, and let me throw in these two other little things. I've mentioned them on the show before but these are two other recent disclosures that conform with your hypothesis that we didn't have in 2016 but I recently interviewed Ryan Bledsoe, the son of Chris Bledsoe, the experiencer who kind of got brought in to be studied by The Secret Space Program and The Invisible College folks and then he kinda went rogue. He's like you know I don't like your narrative

11:28 I'm going to go with what my experiences say." But when he was there talking to these guys, this is what came out of an interview where Ryan interviewed his dad. He said There he was consulting with them about what they're now calling plasmoids, which are angelic beings. They come out of the orbs when asked how the orbs would appear to astronauts blood so said they would appear outside the space shuttle look in the windows at them and sometimes they stand over the Shuttle Bay or the Space Station glowing Sometimes there's a report of 1 half dozen of em' Or 125 foot tall one with wings standing there and smiling at them

12:06 all astronauts who go up past a certain point see these things. That's the report from that basically Chris is reporting what was shared with him when he was kind of palling around with these guys and then I sent you this in the DMS, but Diana Pasolka had this to say about her contact in the space program Tim Taylor who was Tyler and her book anonymously Of course the internet sleuths figured it out well She says, They would use Latin on their mission patches. They would also have specific rituals where they would do something involving US presidents, they would position the president at a certain point where astronomical events what happened? It would be like hey Mr Obama stand here and he would stand there with his wife and look in a certain direction it was part of the whole thing and they were photos Tim has photos of all this

13:09 I know a ritual when I see them and he didn't even understand it. So, I noticed that they were using Latin and then I noticed it wasn't medieval Latin. It was a particular form of Latin. It seems like it was Roman theology." So, I would ask him why are you using the images of Roman gods? Why are you putting them on your mission patches and also utilizing Latin phrases from that time period? You're sending this up to space who up in space is gonna read Latin?" And his answer was our sponsors So crazy heavy stuff, but both these things speak to the occult context rather than the ETH hypothesis. And so if we were gonna talk about Lucifer's technologies being an even wider scoped thing because Roswell 1947 but the occult context for interactions with some beans goes back to the biblical times before even. So what would you say might be

14:08 First example of technology as a Trojan horse. Some might say agriculture, I'm reading more stuff from people who say generally we're thought to be told that agriculture is this great advancement and it finally got us away from being hunter-gatherers. But now some anthropologists are looking back and saying they had to drag people into agriculture, a lot of people didn't want to be put up in this walled city and made to work the fields it wasn't a better life than the previous one what do you think? In terms of early examples that would work with the Lucifer's technology premise outside of computer technology I think writing is really the original Trojan horse because that allowed people to recreate reality.

14:53 in their own image. It gave the priests an opportunity to dictate reality, to dictate the universe, to dictate the nature of the universe... ...To people who previously had just experienced it." I think that could make sense for sure obviously writing sigils is all kind of there People talk about circuit boards now looking like sigils You'll see all these memes where they place them side by side Yeah, you probably could take it back to writing. You got the Jordan Maxwell guys who talk about spelling and all that wordplay that goes into things? Yeah I think you could make a good case that is is that... You go back to John D. Zinocchian It was a language! He was told a language Well maybe Latin was an older language Maybe there were original languages that were kind of delivered in this same sort of way

15:44 Well, Alan Moore famously said that spelling was spellcraft and grammar was grimoire. So he believed—and this sort of brought him into this whole chaos magic world—that writing was a form of magic, that fiction was a form of magic, that you were basically recreating a world with just these marks on paper that we assume make these sounds or correspond to the sounds and then these sounds Ergo, correspond to ideas and concepts and events and names and all the rest of it. But it's all invented! It's all imaginary, okay? So our entire experience of the world is almost determined by this magic, okay? Very ancient magic that we still use... That we haven't really improved upon I would add. And I would also say that we haven't even improve on the Codex book you know, The Spinebound Book

16:41 You know, we have e-books and all the rest of it. But for an experience you can't improve on the codex so I think that writing and spelling and grammar are by nature a Trojan horse because anybody can say something put it in writing and that people are going to respond to that with a higher level of credibility than they would spoken language. We still have, I mean even to this day we still have a respect maybe an earned respect for written language but what it has done is that it has allowed everyone to impose their own narratives on us and I think one of the problems that were having as a society today in this corresponds to Lucifer's technologies

17:33 Is that there are just so many narratives that we're being pummeled with and it's just becoming impossible to sort them out. And I think what's happening now with a lot of people, they're just kind of burning out. They're almost like tuning it out because it gets to be overwhelming. The human brain was not designed for this absolute avalanche constantly 24-7 of information. So long way of answering the short question but I would definitely say that it's writing. That's the original Trojan horse, but also language... computer language, coded language all these kind of things they're all tied together we wouldn't have computers without language obviously it's almost like a truism but we wouldn't really have anything without language because how do we convey information to each other? It has got to be written down unless you can speak to people directly

18:30 Yeah, I agree. And it is interesting that you can do all that Jordan Maxwell type of stuff with language like good morning morning with a U is obviously what you do when someone dies so there's this kind of encoded darkness to some language especially stuff that we use on a daily basis and maybe there's a point to that, but you could scale it up to the computer technology stuff and look at every computer company. Every Silicon Valley company they all have these esoterically drenched names the same way we talk about the rocketry program and the Apollo mission and Osiris Rex and SpaceX Dragon X and Falcon X and all this stuff

19:11 Yeah, it's there also in the tech companies. Apple with the bitten apple has the religious context Oracle The Masonic apron is the Gmail logo The Chrome logo has a 666 It's just like I'm not even a religious person, but you look at example after example and eventually have to say they're communicating something here. Well, I just wanted to add that the first Apple computer cost $666. Esotericism has always been deeply embedded into the military industrial complex of which the computer industry is the central part these days. You can't separate it

19:58 you know, you're talking about ufology and everything and how it was sort of seeded as a propaganda tool. But it isn't just that! That's part of it but you also have to understand that there are a lot of people particularly in the military that are true believers I mean we see this all the time now We see all these quote-unquote whistleblowers peering before Congress they all have military intelligence whatever backgrounds...I think there is and always has been for lack of a much better term, a UFO cult within the government that I think even goes back before the age of UFOs as we understand them. Okay? You can go back to a lot of sort of proto-science fiction in the 19th century and see traces of this

20:47 Well, this is one of the things that I get confused about when I read your stuff because you write about all these rituals and this exchange. Like there seems to be a real thing happening but then you'll call them like delusional psychopaths with OCD obsessed with LARPing it's like well it's not LARPing and they're not delusional are they? Because it seems like they do get results Well, there are a lot of people doing a lot of things. You know you can't make blanket statements like that. Yeah so what I'm saying? There are particular people that are delusional and are LARPing and there are particular people who i would say a much much smaller proportion of those people are actually in contact with something um...I would say that the medium is what the medium has always been which is hallucinogenic drugs. I think that that is basically

21:41 Well, something with nukes and rockets has to have like level jumped the interaction or they wouldn't keep doing it that way. It's much easier for Steve Jobs to take LSD and get the idea for the iMac than it is for Jeff Bezos to send up a space dick with Katy Perry on it for whatever the hell reason, whatever that yielded I don't know maybe got some message maybe they all came back and said yeah The big thing in the sky told us you need to take the company this direction I don't know, but clearly there's a reason why they put so much extra energy and attention into this level of things as opposed to taking some drugs and drawing a pentagram. Well again, there are people doing different things. And the other thing you have to take in account is we have since we sort of came up in this

22:30 Abrahamic context that informed Western civilization for so long. And, you know there's a right way there's an orthodoxy and there's a wrong way and they're the way things are supposed to be in then there isn't if you study paganism term that I actually don't like because it's not descriptive but if you study pre-christian religion or polytheistic religion whatever you want to call it There's just incredible syncretism across the board. Different people have different definitions of different gods, they'll combine them willy-nilly. I mean that's something that i've tracked quite a bit throughout this story you know particularly with this syncretic god Jupiter Amon which seems to be very important into all this story because he was the god of Alexander The Great who is the model for all modern conquerors and would-be world governors right

23:27 It's very complicated. I know that kind of sounds like a bit of a cop out, but once you really start getting to the weeds with all this stuff You can't make definitive statements about who believes what across the board because as i said there are a lot of different groups and a lot of different individuals and a lot of different cults that have different beliefs, that have different ways of seeing the world and they believe that they're interacting. They might be all interacting with the same figures but they experience it differently right because if you go into say like a ayahuasca kind of experience and you bring your cultural baggage with you, you bring your expectations,

24:10 your assignations, you go into this world that is just completely outside of our reality. And you need to translate what you're seeing and that's where I believe that comes in and that's why we see so many people having different experiences throughout the age and even today So, all right. If Roswell and the spaceship crash thing was a cover story let's get deeper into what was covered up you write throughout the entire series I've been unable to shake a very strange thought out of my head What if Roswell was expected or in fact orchestrated? And then later you say the Roswell events themselves are so laden with symbolism that one seriously has to wonder if what we saw was in fact some kind of ritual Or not any kind of accident at all

25:02 And we talked about this nine years ago, but decode this event a little bit for us for the uninitiated because there's a lot of wordplay and stuff going on here that does speak to the ancient mythology type of stuff that you wouldn't expect in a random crash of some craft. Well, there are a lot of things going on. There is sort of the name game or the nomenclature and there is also alignments that are very important in the story that were kind of a code breaker for me but there's also the timelines so they're all these different things that to me all correspond to sympathetic magic okay roswell is not far from the white sands

25:44 installation where they had the Trinity tests, you know the trinity. But I don't think it's a trinity that people are thinking of. I think it's this trinity of Jupiter-Amon and Venus and Dionysus It's different. It's sort of this Greco Egyptian Chaldean Canaanite syncretism all right? That was actually well documented in the ancient world The crash itself, what they call the crash itself. The alignments on it are very curious. There's a number of different things going on here but if you just go due east you're gonna end up at Baalbek and Baalbek of course

26:28 temple to a synchrotized solar Jupiter, as is Jupiter Amon who is the horned and hidden god. You know the Rams? He was the figure of Zeus but he had the Ram's horns that come from a moon and that corresponds with a lot of things that Crowley was interested in. But Roswell itself... The downtown area If you keep going east there, give me just a second here. I've got so many notes- I've got some notes here myself. So the crash is said to have taken place on the plains of St Augustine named after the church father Augustine of Hippo who wrote extensively on the nature of demons of the air. Mm hmm yes! The event takes place at a spot named for

27:19 a guy who was known for talking specifically about demons of the air. The Roswell Army Air Base was the home of the only atomic bomb wing group in the world at that time, so you kind of think that maybe that's where the exchange happened or the event happened and maybe something dropped down as a result of a ritual in the area but the Roswell Rose Well of Cadmus was always so interesting to me. You got this being cadmus again A lot of these beings have multiple names, but in Cadmus' mythology he's associated with this red well of Mars. Mars is the red planet Roswell Rose Well it's kind of all right there and then you go on to say Cadmus the civilizer The Shining One The Great Initiator would become You guessed it a reptilian And then this is from

28:12 Well, there's another very... It's all there. Yeah I mean there is another very important detail about Cadmus though is that Cadmus was instructed by the great gods of Samothrace who were basically these chimeric figures who are said to be the sons of Vulcan, but who crashed to Earth in a meteor. They came to Earth in a flaming meteor and then they crashed on the island of Samothrace and they emerged from the island you know and their little spaceship let's say? And they start teaching everyone how to make stuff, you know, make ships and all the rest of it. And they're the ones who instruct Cadmus

29:11 And Cadmus is a very important figure because he's seen as the founder of this, the Greek city of Thebes. He was the king of that city and Thebes, of course lent its name to an Egyptian city. This is where you start to get all this very complex syncretism between Greek and Egyptian religion that we can trace back, of course, to Alexander right? And the Ptolemies and that is going to give us Jupiter-Amon and later they're gonna give us Serapis who some people feel was an influence on depictions of Christ and so on, and so forth. So there's a lot... Go ahead. And let me just throw this out too.

29:50 If we're going with the premise that this ritual happened and it caused some kind of magical object to come down, and scientists were able to take it and then make the transistor and make the circuit board. And all these things they had to have a story how these things emerged and they gave it all to Bell Labs. Bell Labs is the company that just developed this stuff in a vacuum well CAD Bell Labs becomes Lucent Technologies and Cadmus and Lucent are the same word, the same figure is described with both names.

30:26 They didn't really hide it that much, but they basically gave the bean the name of the company and then this is what things emerged out. Then it became AT&T eventually because Bell Labs was so big, It was one of the few times they actually used the anti-monopoly stuff and broke up a company. No no you got to get it backwards. Okay set me straight. Bell labs Was a division of the old phone company, the old Bell Company which later became AT&T. Then Bell Labs spun out into its own thing who was separated as Lucent back in the 90s. My wife actually worked for that company for about 10 years there where that all happened with a transistor and all the rest of it happened is about 20 minutes from here

31:19 The symbolism, again if you look at the old logo of Lucan it looks like an Ouroboros. You know a snake eating its tail and that corresponds to Cadmus who became a snake who became a serpent but just get back to the alignments because the alignments are really important as part of this story so you did mention Saint Augustine in the city of God talking about the demons of the air which was actually he was quoting another author, a Roman pagan author is how these beings behave and everything. If you read that if you read that passage it's almost kind of frightening you know? It just sort of jives with a lot of things that people say about aliens today right um so the Roswell crash site as you said Plains of St Augustine on this almost just off by what is that

32:14 four seconds of latitude, but it's basically the same exact latitude as Baalbek. And what's Baalbek? Baalbek is something that you see all the time in ancient aliens like how did they build a temporary Jupiter with these huge stones that nothing can move today? How was the Romans if we believe that the Romans actually moved these stones? Um how were they able to move these things which thousands of tons. We have no equipment today that can move those stones, they would have to be broken up and somehow those are moved so that's also part of it because probably around that time when this whole alien technology idea and religion starts to kick in people are looking at Baalbek and saying well that must've been aliens or maybe even the giants right? But also um the 34th parallel is also the Socorro

33:11 UFO event that some of you might know about with the egg and the egg corresponds to a lot of things that Kenneth grant wrote about who is one of Crowley's main acolytes, he was allegedly given control of the OTO by Crowley himself and then there was a split and all the rest of it. That's not really important but the other thing too that's incredibly important, I got this from David, the late great David Flynn is that he talked a lot about The Watchers in Mount Hermon so The Watcher's...the reason why I think The Watcher cults, and these things are all sort of mixed in together. But you know the whole cult of the fallen angels why is this important? Because what did they do? They brought technology down didn't they? They taught if you read the book of Enoch they taught how to use weapons how to read that the stars...they even taught them meteorology I mean all these skills and of course all this was geared towards war

34:12 People will read the Book of Eden and go, wow these watches seem like they were really helpful. No! In the context of this story they were teaching people all this technology so that they could be more effective at waging war. That's basically the rest of the story you don't hear a lot about. Mount Hermon is exactly parallel with downtown Roswell So there's a couple of coincidences there that are really kind of hard to swallow, you know what I'm saying? It's like how did this all happen and then you have the Cadmus thing. But it's like almost every detail, almost every detail names dates alignments whatever you want to call it corresponds to something important something major in this whole ancient religion of these beings that would come to Earth

35:06 teach men things. So really you can see the fallen angels and the great gods of Samothrace as being basically the same figures but just filtered through a cultural lens of the time, you know? You have the cultural lens of Judaism apocalyptic Judaism in in the late neo-Babylonian Empire that really is the background for The Watchers and Enoch and the rest of it...and then you have whatever mystery cults are behind the whole things with Samothrace and the great gods. But they're really the same story, and you see these stories in all these different contexts You know I talked a lot about the Mithras cult why is the Mithra's cult so important? Why do you see Mithras everywhere that you're not supposed to see it well Mithras was granted technology by the gods he was given all these tools

35:59 to fight the Gorgons and all the rest of it, to do the dirty work or the gods basically. He was given technology so all these belief systems that really come to prominence in the 19th century and feed into this whole military industrial complex matrix that gives us Roswell, that gives us Ufology, that gives us all the rest of it Hollywood you name it a hundred years or so later really springs from this weird matrix of secret societies during the Industrial Revolution, particularly in London specifically. But it's all feeding into the culture and I would say almost reaches its apotheosis with ufology.

36:43 And with the alignments, obviously there are many. You also have this one where you point out that area 51 is at 37 degrees not far off from 34 but following that line East will take you into the heart of Sicily ultimate birthplace of the ancient Eleusinian mysteries Why is that? Because Sicily is where Persephone was abducted by Pluto, the king of the underworld. Sicily was the primary cult center for Persephone in the ancient world. Note also that Pluto was identified as a craftsman and possessed a helmet that resembled the kind of cloaking technology they were working on at Area 51 apparently

37:21 So even the tech itself, the descriptions in the ancient writings match the conspiracy lore of what's apparently at this location on the same parallel. It is quite layered and weird and people are probably sick of me bringing up Patrice Chaplin but I did just interview her She's known for the book, The Portal which talks about this portal on top of Mount Cantagou in Spain and the people of Girona. This Kabbalistic lineage of occultists who have kept their tradition in that area a secret for a long time but her follow-up book is The Stone Cradle

38:00 And if you're a person who's initiated into a cult or whatever and they're willing to reveal some things, you put out the portal book great. But the thing that was even more secret to them was The Stone Cradle and they brought out... I read the book she describes them bringing out these scrolls in these old documents trying to explain to her why they believe what they believe They are a Luciferian cult They believe that When Venus completed its cycle, you know it creates a pentagram every seven or eight years the flower of Venus. When it completed that cycle 5,000 years ago, a meteor came from that point in the sky hit the ground and a beam of light came out of it and that was Lucifer

38:47 According to the book, they still have the stone cradle. It is about the shape of this desk probably and you can lay on it and you'll be healed in some kind of weird substance oozes out of the pores of this stone. And the cult bought the land where I don't know if they moved it or bought the land and it's never moved but it is now on private property that they control And so they take the Lucifer thing very seriously. They're not Satanists, they think of themselves as followers of a being that was very helpful and maybe the church twisted it around because you know they want to have authority on everything It's hard to unpack at all it's like a flow chart if you believe this then this is the way it goes and this is the moral orientation of this in that but

39:33 Like, here's another story totally separate from anything I've heard from you where a group of people, a cult say that their whole origin of why they believe what they believe and the knowledge they've gained is because a meteor hit the ground and it had healing properties. It was a technology and it came from being that they call Lucifer. It's weird! I don't know what the providence to that myth is per se... But it definitely jives with a lot of similar myths, you know talking about Mon Hermon and the fallen angels again. But you had mentioned Sicily There are couple of very interesting things because there's another mountain there this Mount Etna where Persephone and her handmaidens were picking daffodils okay narcissus flowers and then

40:21 Pluto, Hades, whomever comes up through a portal doesn't he? Comes up through the underworld through a portal. So there you go again! I mean it's a belief that there is a portal at Mount Etna but another interesting detail that i should just add in here is that the handmaidens of Persephone were turned into the sirens by uh by Demeter so they could because the original sirens were bird women. They weren't mermaids that was much later right? The original sirens were like these bird women chimeras and they were turned into the sirens, so they could search the world for Persephone even though she's not on the world she's in the underworld

41:08 But there's also in a Jewish text, there is also a myth that the women who became the wives of the watchers were also turned into sirens. So this really interesting kind of syncretism almost like subterranean tradition that runs through all these myths. But again, you're dealing with portals, you're dealing with technology, you're dealing with these beings that come through these portals associated with mountains this ties in to what we talked about with Travis Scott and Astroworld does remember that discussion? We had with the portals and then the rings of hell and then all the symbolism that he was using had that big mountain

41:53 that big mountain stage set for all of that. So I think that there is part of this language, and again everybody puts their own little spin on it... There's no orthodoxy, there's no pope of occultism right? There's no Pope saying you know, No! That's not how it really is. It wasn't at this place in Spain, it was actually Monthermon in Lebanon or as Monatna or wherever. There's no standardization of all this mythology so when we see things like Roswell, you really have to pay attention to the details and track where all these details come from. Because I think that's almost part of the op is to sneak in all these little details that all correspond to sympathetic magic by the way. Why do all these things happen? This is something that I always wanted for years because I'd always see this music video and they're putting all this stuff in or The One Eye and all the rest

42:53 I never was very convinced by the explanations that a lot of people put in this material forward had until I started studying, not studying but studying the history of sympathetic magic and ritual magic. And I realized oh okay this is all ritual magic using these symbols and these alignments and dates and all the rest of it to basically practice sympathetic magic so they can bring that power of these figures that they're trying to draw on or call upon unto themselves. Yes, and let me bring this up too because in previous conversations about this we have not gotten to the Collins elite people who listen to the show know about the Collins elites it's

43:44 Society I guess within the Department of Defense that thinks that the aliens are demons well This is from your blog you quote Nick Redfern's book, and he says Beyond any shadow of a doubt at all, the strangest belief of the Collins elite was related to The Roswell Affair. In what is certainly a unique fashion they came to believe that nothing extraterrestrial or otherwise crashed at Roswell rather the group concluded that the event was staged A Trojan horse type event provoked by demons trying to deceive us into accepting the idea that vulnerable ETs had crashed at Roswell and were responsible for the wave of flying saucer encounters that gripped the nation in the summer of 1947. For the Collins elite, the alien debris and memory metal said to have been recovered at the crash site on the Foster Ranch were nothing less than the result of diabolical demon alchemy. In other words, the group formed an opinion that these strange entities weaved the materials

44:45 then had them manifest on the Foster Ranch thus creating the image of a crash of something exotic from the skies. But what are the bodies said to have been found at the site? Well, The Collins Elite had an answer to that issue too their members claim to read reports suggesting that no literal bodies were ever found at Roswell at all rather they maintained that certain biological materials were recovered so not bodies biological materials is interpreted as bodies in the biology community. Homunculi, homunculi! Exactly I'm getting there so yes you made comparisons to the golems of Jewish folklore and then you actually said you think it's more of the homunculi and you quote The Chemical Marriage Of Christian Rosenkreutz because that text heavily talks about the making of a homunculus

45:38 It's of course one of the foundational texts for the Rosicrucians. And then you say, or should I say Roswell-Crucians? And that's interesting because it's another one of these things so you wrote this in 2016 again...I keep saying it but Diana Pasulka in her last book, she talks about her interactions with Jacques Vallée. And she's like, Jacques Vallée has this incredible library and we were talking and he pulls a book off the shelf and he's like I advise you to study this look into this. And it's The Book of Rosicrucianism why would he do that? He is a Rosicrucian How did you know a decade in advance that ufology is basically Rosicrucianism light Because I sat in a room

46:23 with about 20 people including Jacques Vallee and he said, I am a Rosicrucian. What? Yeah back in Esalen 2008. Okay. So I heard it from the horse's mouth okay. I'm not making it up. The Collins elite are very interesting. That was like my first viral post on The Secret Sun That thing went viral big time. There was a real interest in that, to me it was just another post I didn't really even think...I think it put up on Friday or something? Really wasn't expectations for my part. I don't want to say I'm skeptical of the Kong's elite but I almost wonder if its kind of like Ong's hat or something It's like a thought experiment. I've never seen compelling evidence that this group even exists

47:22 I read, obviously read Final Events and I've read a lot of the follow-up materials on it. It seems to me that it's similar to the Rosicrucians. The Rosicrucians basically are believed to be a hoax right? The original chemical wedding of Christian Rosenkreuz was seen as there are all sorts of theories about it. If you've ever read the book, Cult's Pendulum by Umberto Eco, they talk about how the book was being used for all these Templar remnants to communicate with each other before telephones and all the rest of it needed to communicate so they encoded all this information into that text

48:09 I don't know if that's necessarily true. But the point is, it's very interesting that you bring those two phenomena up together because I sort of see the Collins elite as like the Rosicrucians. The Rosicrucians evolved...it starts off—I think most scholars agree—that I don't want to say a hoax per se but it was a concoction or an invention and I think that it took on a life of its own, and it started to incorporate things from hermeticism and alchemy and Freemasonry and other Kabbalah. All these different esoteric traditions became extremely successful when the Theosophical Society really started decline around the 1920s after the whole Krishnamurti thing. The Rosicrucians, the Amorites

49:01 really took, they were very popular. They built all these incredible temples I think there's one out in California and there is this one in Pennsylvania. They were very successful because it's an idea you know? It's the power of an idea and I think the consulate is kind of the same thing. It's like this idea that these are men within the Pentagon, these people within the defense establishment that are concerned about UFOs but not from the standpoint that we would assume that they see them as this expression of demonic activity. Ironically I would say

49:42 they're probably closest to the truth, right? I mean whoever put forward this. You know, I would very heavily recommend if you haven't read it already but to read the text on ultra-terrestrials by Dr Karl Rashke who sort of put the final pieces for the whole Lucifer technology series into context with me and his whole way of thinking is that the ultra-terrestrials are these beings that can exist in our world and are seeding people like computer scientists or whomever so we can enter their world. Okay? That's really what, you know, that's what Rorschach thing really comes down to

50:34 and he talks about how it has a deconstructive effect. Okay, that's really sort of the thrust of the paper is you know, the deconstruction of UFO phenomenon, the cultural deconstruction which I think is very real but It just goes to show you getting back to your asking me about the Trojan horse right? So this is what I was saying Is that you can make up something almost out of whole cloth like the Rosicrucians And 500 years later, it's something that has taken on a life of its own. Okay? I mean the flip side argument to that is that somebody

51:11 Made a text it was supposed to be provocative that was supposed to subtly be revealing something and it got too popular So they say whoa, whoa. Whoa? It was just a hoax Just a hoax don't you worry about that I mean and maybe it's a mix of the two I mean who knows but definitely ideas can take on a life for their own while we're still in this first hour I wanted kind of lay out the timeline again and solidify this thing because Roswell is a singular event that we're saying as a cover story for something that seems like more of a call and then an answer. So there are other events in the continuum, so June 16th 1945 is the Trinity test. So this is another thing where

51:54 Downard said that the giant jumbo bottle might've had a homunculus in it. That's another speculation, so now there's a homunculus on both sides but we are talking about nukes and nukes are one of these cross-dimensional things that people like David Lynch really pointed out no is not just a bomb, It's tearing a rip in the fabric of space but... So you have the Trinity test then January 10th 46 Project Diana July 1st 46 Operation Crossroads drops Gilda in their able program. So crossroads again This is where you do magic at the crossroads and then 25 days later, there's another crossroads drop of Helen They called it Baker Like why do you even need to name the bombs? It is just weird but then

52:42 A year later, you have the Maury Island and Kenneth Arnold events to kind of prime the public for ufology. So these things happened the year before and these are all the nuclear tests And then you have the Maury Island incident and just a month after that you have Roswell, but there's something in between. There's the Shelter Island Conference and you say Rockefeller and Bell Labs was all over this thing it happened at the Rams Head Lodge they actually so not just at the Rams Head Lodge they opened the lodge early the Rams head end they opened it early So this conference could take place there And then

53:24 General Roger Ramey is the guy who gives the press conference at Fort Worth. He's in charge of the Air Force Unit for Operation Crossroads, the previous July and his family coat of arms includes the black ram's head so If Operation Crossroads and Roswell are connected, well it makes sense that General Roger Raimi is in charge of both things or he's the same guy giving the press conference about Roswell. But this is a continuum of events and rocketry... That territory is well-worn when it comes to the occult residue on rocketry but its not as well worn with nuclear testing It's a little bit there but if we're connecting the two you're saying that

54:08 these events, Project Diana was very significant. I mean this was the call and then Roswell was the answer talk to us about project Diana and Operation Crossroads as a part of this overall thing that happened? Well i do see it all is a ritual cycle and starting with the Trinity tests at White Sands okay and you did bring up David Lynch of course but I would also include Hiroshima and Nagasaki in this whole cycle. That all has to do with the splitting of the atom, very alchemical it's all about primary material and so on and so forth I mean it has...I don't want to say spiritual connotation but definitely has a metaphysical aspect to it a supernatural aspect to it you know its science beyond science okay? But the thing

55:07 So Project Diana is run by the US Army Signal Corps at Fort Monmouth, again not too far from here. maybe about an hour from where Bell Labs was, okay? So these things are all happening at the same time. And I should also add Bell Labs is due north of where Aleister Crowley's earthly remains were interred, okay? People don't realize that his remains such as they were were interred about 20 minutes from here in New Jersey. So for some reason... That's very interesting. I would argue that origin of Jersey, which is Caesarea has something to do with it because January 10th when

55:50 when you had Project Diana was the day that Julius Caesar crossed the Rubicon. We know all that terminology from back in 2020, don't we? The crossing of the Rubicon and so on and so forth. I should also add that this same area is very heavily owned by the Rockefellers. They own tons and tons of land around here. They actually have their own little mini World Trade Center up north at the base of the Skylands But I would argue that both Hubbard and Parsons knew about Diana, and that they had timed the Babylon working to coincide with Diana. So the whole thing with Diana is that the exercise was about sending radar signals bouncing them off of the Moon. Strictly speaking it was humanity's first contact such as it was

56:48 with an extraterrestrial body. Okay, so that's the importance of it and we all know about Dianetics Diana Hubbard was very obsessed with this figure you know Diana or whomever Hathor whatever her other cultural expressions were And then he moves down to 666 What was it? I actually parked in front of the house. We went on vacation a couple years ago in Bayhead, and we used to park in front of the old Parsons, the old Hubbard House where he wrote Dianetics. So Diana, Dianetics—it's all very important to him. His son about…I think in the late 70s wrote a book that exposed how immersed Hubbard was in The Occult and so on, and the whole connection with Crowley

57:41 So I believe that the timing of the Babylon working was very much intentional. Okay, and another interesting thing is the Babylon working takes place also on the 34th parallel which is directly, not you know I think it's 34 degrees and maybe like 15 minutes so it's not exactly but it's roughly parallel with the plains of St. Augustine is that a coincidence? These things just all add up! seeing this stuff repeat over and over again. So Project Diana, I think was really the signal because it's extraterrestrial right? I mean bouncing radar signals off the moon so it's not a physical contact is electronic okay? Right and if there's beings that are electrical-ish in nature out there they would recognize that attempt from the planet

58:42 As we're wrapping up here, I wanted to read this on the subject of the best people being put on the case and insights from behind the curtain. This is just from the blog you say this is what former inquiry to Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip wing commander Sir Peter Horsley a guy who was as high up in the power pyramid as a military man can get had to say about this stuff Suppose we are actually living in a multi-dimensional time track with the same space, including a young, primeval world our own and much older world with advanced technology all aging and developing side by side conscious and sometimes stirred by the presence of others. Strange ships in the sky images of ancient creatures The imprudent antics of poltergeists And strange noises like creaking bed springs from empty rooms

59:35 These time tracks spin around like separate grooves of a gramophone record, each playing a different score until given a sudden jolt when the needle jumps the track. Imposing for a very short period an unintelligible tune upon its neighbor before being returned to its own groove again." Interesting take from someone who was advisor to some pretty high level people but Chris this is always a treat I am Super psyched that you were the first guest for this video format. I'm very uncomfortable here, I don't know what to do with my hands or anything It is a bit awkward Yeah, I know Awkward story of my life But tell the people what you got coming up with The Institute The Links all that good stuff So much coming up

1:00:24 Where should I start? Well, the one thing that i do want to put in a plug for this is going to be...I'm planning this to be out in September. It's XF Ultra of course my Exiles book which is going to go into all the various undertones and subtexts of the series that none of the official books would talk about um..i've been working on this book it's abou 408 pages right now and I'm not even close to the finish line so it's going to be a tome, it's gonna be a phone book. So just preparing people you know what is going on with that we've been doing all...we just did a big thing on the Zizians cults

1:01:08 I've been doing true crime podcasts, but all like truer cult crime. You know sort of in that vein you're not just doing about serial killers whatever i'm working on a new one right now which is going to be really mind-blowing about this cult who's existence has just been made known to me. Cults, I think are a huge issue and are going to become an even bigger issue in the future. I think we all need to get used to these cults because we're gonna see a lot of crime and a lot of tragedy attached them but you know that void that was left by organized religion needs to be filled by something, and it's being filled by cults. So there's a lot going on I'm gonna be doing a live stream on

1:01:55 what I call 80s ick, like all the weird inappropriate stuff that we saw in our 80's movies that were completely oblivious to. Like E.T and The Goonies a lot of Spielberg stuff. Well Steven speaking is that kind of thing? Stephen King...I never really read much of his work i'm just now learning that he has so many scenes of inappropriate shit with kids and most of his work and it's like well no wonder he's exalted at the top of our culture because Pedo shit, kind of. Well he wrote... Not to open a whole ghetto or whatever. No no I'm glad you brought that up because it ties in with what i've been working on um he wrote an X-Files episode that had to be rewritten because if you go back and read the script it's just so creepy with like this little girl

1:02:45 all this coded language. It's really, there is something seriously wrong with that guy! That's all I'm going to say. The 80s ick is coming up with the secret sound. Yeah well a great example of it was the movie Fire... what was it? Firestarter? With the Drew Barrymore movie. If you ever watch that movie, that's full of pedo-sick nonsense but There was a lot of this stuff in the 80s and 90s that we're just completely oblivious to. Oddly enough, I interestingly just watched part of this movie Powder. Have you ever heard about the movie Powder? It was made by a convicted pedophile named Victor Salva. When you watch the movie there are certain tropes that

1:03:35 pedophiles for lack of a better term like to put in their stories and it's full of them unsurprisingly. But yeah there's a lot going on I've got a lot planned live streams you know i've got live streams planned for the rest of the year but things always change because something always comes up and My brain always goes somewhere else. It's been very active, both the SSI and the Extension School have been very active on posting regularly as well as posting on The Secret Sun. Unfortunately with AI and one thing that AI is really impacting is my traffic on The Secret Sun because you just see it like just do a search on whatever topic

1:04:19 and the AI is gonna basically intercept you. It's Google, Bing all these big search engines now your first results are going to be this AI synopsis let's just say. Exactly it really destroys the whole ecosystem of people blogging and then the ads on their page get seen and they get a cent for that but there's a lot of internet journalism going on that uses economic model and it's being usurped because the AI just pulls it out and gives it to you on a different page, the search results page. And all those people are pretty fucked but- Well if your reliant on advertising, you're fucked I mean... Hey! You're speaking my language buddy. It's been like that for awhile. Google's AdSense just destroyed everything. That's true

1:05:19 I'm glad the FTC is going after them because they have been anti-competitive for so long now. But yeah, there's a lot going on and a lot of things in the work. One thing that I will say is that I am very much planning on my next book project after I finish The X-Files book to be something involved with Lucifer's technologies because there's a lot of information that i've been collating and collecting over the years since I did that series And I'd also like to kind of put it all together because it's broken up into 16 or 17 different posts, and I would like people to have it all together. So once I finish the X-Files book that will be the next thing I'm going to tackle and I'm going to bring it up today you know cause as I said at the beginning

1:06:11 I believe that we are going to defeat Lucifer's technologies. I really do, I mean it! Cheers! I'm not just saying that to cheer people up. I really do believe it and one thing that I really want to do is break people out of this sort of pessimistic defeatist attitudes when it comes to AI and these other technology because they're not invulnerable Yes And they're not inevitable Alright? I am with you on that mission for sure Yeah, I think that these are things Basically conquer and make our own one thing I have noticed a lot of AI imagery and particularly the animation is how it just like.

1:06:53 It's weird, man. I feel like I'm dreaming it, like I'm watching my dreams or something." Yeah, it's odd. So I think that we are going to conquer AI and make it our bitch and make it our expression of our collective unconscious. That's something that- All right. ...I've been really thinking very seriously about. And that might be- Cheers to that. Yeah, that might be the conclusion of my Lucifer Technologies book We're going to win and we're going to make this thing our slave. I like it! Yeah, it's not going to be a master, but we are the masters so let me just say that you know...we didn't have a chance to go into a lot of that kind of thinking but um..I really do honestly believe that It is an invader, its would-be colonizer and then it's going to be repelled There ya go! We are gonna have Independence Day against AI

1:07:50 I like it. All right, man well as always serious pleasure i think this was a great one keep up the good work and take care thank you sir Alright guys, there we have it. The king of synchromystic swing the great Chris Knowles Obviously a strategic choice I wanted the first one here to be somebody I was comfortable with with material already kind of knew Because there were so many added factors at the studio But I think it's gonna work out Of course I started by saying most oldest one of the clunkiest stupidest phrases to kick off a new milestone but welcome to THC 2.0 I guess

1:08:31 I do think my voice in the studio has a little tweaking left to go, but I thought it went really well. Sure. I started off kind of nervous, but I got comfortable pretty quick and Chris did a lot of the heavy lifting as the guests do around here you know? I'm just the guy asking the questions, but I thought it was great and when it came to the blue origin stuff, I do think it's really interesting that the logo is a feather. I mean fallen angel why is it a feather hmm One of those things now the guys did splice in some of the imagery that i asked them to and i don't know exactly where i'm gonna have to communicate better with them on. Where they put in dance and did they put everything but one thing i think that we missed was the amazon alexa add and this is another one of those is it relevant or are we stretching kind of things like gas,

1:09:27 But chris points out in his blog that amazon launched a super bowl add one year for alexa. And right when the camera pans by the alexa device is a very interesting figure on the desk next to it a little statue that kinda looks like a fallen angel kind of looks like boffin i think its doing as above so below always something right it's just it always stacks up So i thought that was really good on the throw that image on the screen right now just so everyone can see it who is watching but, i'm a big fan of this material the roswell working perspective is just so interesting we've come along way thinking about you follow g as more of a spiritual thing. But if thats the context we gotta fold in all the extra ufology material into it so i think i think it works

1:10:26 The fact that it's the exact latitude is Bailback clearly sticks out to Chris as relevant and me as well. So let me know what you guys think of how the first video went, I'm going to be looking at the YouTube comments, the plus comments we will get through all this together. I've recorded the next couple and i do think we made some improvements! We have a better frame on the third one that you're gonna see... A better framing of the two side-by-side videos It's all coming together. It's all going to work out I've already had some people filling up the support tickets for plus asking well, how can I upgrade to the $12 tier? Just hold on you don't really have to do that yet it'll be there by the first of July but right now i'm trying to show all the plus members what it would be like I don't want you to just sign up for something and you don't really know what it is or if you like it this Is kind of like the free trial it's considered a free trial

1:11:24 And if you're a plus member who's curious, you do have to log into the website and you'll see the video right there in this episode right above the audio player. And there are still some kinks for me to work out I have to figure out how to do that casting. I know it's a feature of the system I'm working with that you can cast using Apple or Android from your phone to your TV. I saw someone asking if there is multiple language captions? I think they're might again something I got to dig into but I did notice It does have captions and a caption word search. So almost like Clip Genie's built into it on an individual episode basis, so that's pretty cool if you heard a word and you wanted to go back to that part of the video, you just put it in the caption search. So we're cooking with gas! I'm very happy with the technology were using. I don't think there's really any compromises And if I can just figure out how to get them emailed to people which will happen before the end of the month, I'm sure

1:12:25 then we'll really be in a good place. But yes, I'm going to keep this wrap up kind of short because I'm doing it in video and I don't know if I'm always going to do this. I might just put up something on the screen and do it audio because I just have an easier time doing that. I don't like the jump cuts. I like to kinda stop think for a minute come back to it and it just looks weird in videos so I don't know. I'm still working out the wrap-up portion But that's fine. We figure it out as we go, let's jump to the episode rating for the last episode. Well first I would say with the announcement that's the last thing in the feed

1:13:04 Super happy with all the positive feedback people have given me and i guess a lot of people recognize that i'm trying to do everything i can do without caving ads and thats appreciated so. All good there are people who said hey i probably won't even watch the video but i'll sign up for twelve bucks just cuz i wanna give you an ad boy that is like, Really shocking to me that people pay a little more than they have to and not even utilize things at that level but i'm thankful for it. Okay now as for the last episode with bear lando, no is good i think is definitely above four point five i'm gonna say four point eight i mean that is kind of our gold standard were always super thrilled when we get a four point eight and it is it is a four point okay

1:13:52 I kind of expected that because he is so good and a lot of the comments like i'm will skip this episode because of the cover art. And i think they thought it was more of a health show health and diet show in particular, that's not really what it is more the intelligence of nature and types of communication visual communication that might be embedded in nature and as much as i love them material it is kinda weird because you have to Think well nature assumes you know what a brain looks like for walnuts to be good for the brain or no what a heart looks like four, does strawberry to be recognized as hard like i don't know maybe just nature thinks well your gonna rip open about eventually i'm sure you'll see inside but it's not exactly the best. Entry point like grapes a bundle of grapes being good for your lungs well

1:14:47 How recognizable is that you gotta rip open some lungs and be like hey they look great i still think the premise is pretty fun and i tend to kinda. Plan to teach my kids that thats the building blocks of learning, How nature tries to talk to you or i guess i'm not gonna raise crazy hippie tree hugger kids but i want them to at least appreciate nature and natural. Remedies as opposed to pharmaceutical one so i think that's a good way to help them get some new monica device type, mental linkage between the vast number of things out in nature and what they might be good for so fun stuff glad to four point eight. Bear really kind of blew my mind getting into some of the inner earth ascended master retreat stuff, it seems like you seen something that i didn't even want to talk about its probably stuff that is fairly advanced or you have to see it too believe it and he's just like look uncomfortable saying that there's something to add and the rest up to you

1:15:50 Which I respect. So, as much as i've listened to Alpha Vedic, I still learn stuff from Bear when we talk and I think he should be in the rotation more often and it seems like people agree Now let's do the meetup calendar thing. We got today, two of them hot dogs and hope in Huntington Indiana and this is June 1st Sunday. And then we got Champlin Minnesota Elk Creek Brewing tacos and truth hot dogs and hope tacos and truth I like it both happening today Sunday June 8th anomalous amilo amalgamation not making it easy on me San Antonio Texas Halcyon South town

1:16:31 Also June 8th, Trails Cafe Truth or Discussion in LA. June 14th the Very Sexy Raw Milk Party in Lanesboro Massachusetts. June 28 Orlando Florida Blackjack Parlor Magic Magnetism and Fun Huh? That might be something I could make it to And then going all the way to July 21st in the far distant future, who knows what the world will be like. But you could go to Gail Brath's Ale House in Eden Terrence Auckland New Zealand as you know higher side meetups dot com get on the calendar make your own events or get details about any of them that are near you

1:17:12 And of course you can sign up for plus the second hour today did take it a lot deeper we went into that Admiral noles no relation. That seems to have maybe been apart of the seating of ufology mythology with hannibal bush and i think chris makes a great point admiral herbert knolls his hometown, Is kind of ground zero for a bunch of different events that happen the benny and barney hill thing the sounds. Of the nine isn't far away,

1:17:47 And it bell labs wasn't far away so there's a lot of things and if you think about well somebody has to. Make these things happens part of their job and there is a practicality to just going to work and going north one day east next day west the next day so, very interesting i think that graphic is quite telling we talked mainly in the plus show fire member correctly about the Distraction of making you follow g a thing and we talked about in deconstructed who would be involved in that and how it would have worked. And also i guess i should say little bit about the point chris really wanted to make we talk a lot about it and preparation and post any set just vaguely there at the end because, we ran out of time but he thinks were gonna win this thing

1:18:41 He thinks we're gonna kick lucifer's technologies ass and it is not going to be a problem so. There are obviously a lot of opinions and i think most people would say that, we are going to go through a really really rough period of time but its not gonna be the end of civilization and then we will rebuild so this will blow up in their face but alot of pain will come before does i share that opinion i'm pretty nervous about the next couple of years and more nervous about the next ten years than am the ten after that. But these are long arcs we never really know how slow the timeline moves even though we can see where the train is going, we don't really know when it's gonna get to that spot in the track where we see a big problem but yeah i like to hype up that sentiment that we will win this thing and its gonna be okay

1:19:35 We'll see. It's good to be optimistic, right? You don't want to be black pilled. I appreciate what he's saying there and we can probably get deeper into it next time as to how we will win maybe it's just a waiting game. It seems like a lot of its outside of our control. Don't engage with the technologies as much as they want you too and then just kind of make sure you feel safe and secure in your inner circle and wait, I don't know what else to do There's a scary story that just came out the trump apparently enlisted palantir to build a database on all citizens including. All the private information as well as banking information and shouldn't be big surprise because we've known that the plan for so long was going to be this social crediting network system see you got out of banking stuff in there,

1:20:32 But I think a lot of people who had the rose colored glasses on are like, no Trump wouldn't do this to me. But he's doing it to you and is curious how there's so little talk about it except only on the alternative scene that's just something to be aware of. Maybe there's nothing we can do just like the Equifax data breach. Like I didn't give Equifax my information but now it's just breached? All right cool thank you! That's the world we live in but i share chris's sentiment i hope we will when i think we will win humanity has been around a lot longer than this technology but if you see it in the sluice verse tech context and you think of it as a colonizer or a spiritual weaponize technology injected into our system then yeah there, what be a time where it goes away.

1:21:26 Well, yes. I'm cutting this one short because I just kind of want to see how wrap ups go in this environment and how many times they have to cut and all this stuff. But big thanks to Chris it meant a lot that he was the guest to help me break this in. I appreciate all the support for going this route thanks to the guys at the studio for making the magic happen thanks to bear for crushing it with a 4.8 and i will see you next time the next two shows are already deep deep in the pipeline and recorded and i think you will like them Again, I should just remind you there's never been a better time to sign up for plus because for the next 30 days all plus members get the full enchilada of THC Plus TV and that's a beautiful thing. So hop on in if you're curious and that's that! I've done my part your move Lucifer's legions Trojan horse tech seeders and ETH ufology deceivers Your fucking Chris says AI is useless

1:22:31 He thinks that it's all hype But has he tried to make a song From whatever he can type It may be just a parlor trick, but life is just a Every passing We're pushing this shit The secret song so fun To cope The secret song second-to-none Something in the way

1:23:25 The secret son, so fun to code second to none something in the secret sun institute a prestigious place to learn and a cozy comfy happy place to watch the world burn. The stupid he will drown! Secret Sun's so fun decoding all of things

1:24:30 The secret's unsuckin' to none, something in the wires say SUCKIN', SUCKIN' TO NONE! Something in the wings