Chris Knowles | Cults of State, Pop Culture Rituals, & The Final Hurdle

00:05 That's true, Dr. Sayers! The power of Christ compels you people! From sunny San Diego, I'm Greg Carlwood and if you can contain your astonishment read between the ones and zeros of our vast arconic matrix of modern life. And parse the empty rotting unrecognizable husk we call culture there lies a language that few can read A tapestry of symbolism and veneration that can be found in nearly anything designed to get your attention

01:08 Political speeches, monument placement, award shows, bizarre news stories so-called space launches art galas fashion shows corporate logos groundbreaking ceremonies magazine covers highly charged national tragedies archaeological finds the medals patches and insignias of the players Paraded across your TV screen and everything else that comprises the never ending onslaught of activity to fill your news feed When you examine it with a skeptical eye, you find very little is truly spontaneous original or organic. Even dumb ex-presidential NFT collections! It doesn't really matter where ya look if ya know how to look And very few have honed that skill like the headmaster of the ever expanding Secret Sun Institute for Advanced Synchromysticism The great Chris Knowles who is here today for a 12th time

02:00 You know him as the author of important works like Our God's Wear Spandex, The Secret History of Comic Book Heroes and Secret History Of Rock And Roll The Mysterious Roots Of Modern Music. As well his novel He Will Live Up In The Sky and the curated collection of his best blog posts in series over the years, The Endless American Midnight Dispatches From The Secret Son He has recently decoded a few big cultural events to the degree that many of us have missed, and has drilled down deeper as to what lies at the core of the Capstone Cabal's secret religion. And I am psyched to get into it as always! Kicking off the new year right with a man with a mind born for these times The deep diving deity decoder complex tapestry detangler and the synchromystic sage of The Secret Sun blog Chris Always A Pleasure how are you? Well after that introduction i'm great

02:49 I'm walking on a cloud. It's all part of the old nine to five. Yeah, it's like my ego is just go. Well, I got to stand out because shows like this are a dime a dozen these days. Oh, THC will never be a dime a dozen. The originator too kind too kind well I guess we're going to be going over a couple of recent events and your ritual decoding of them as usual. But, to kick it off you were talking to me about the overarching thesis and just the general relationship between the national security state and cults in general what's important for people to know to set this up right? Well since there has been so much going on in the past month like just really in-your-face kind of stuff

03:38 and maybe a lot of symbolism and ritualism that people might not necessarily recognize as such. I wanted to just sort of touch upon my foundation, you know? Where all this comes from... How do i approach this material? How do I do it differently maybe than a lot of other people do? So one of the things that I was saying to you is that—and this is something that Gordon, our friend Gordon really filled me in on, so to speak is that we live in a national security state and it's becoming more and more obvious that we live in a totalizing national security state. All you need to do is just watch the news programs and they're filled with commentators who are all quote unquote ex CIA, quote unquote ex FBI. The deep state I guess they beat back their final boss right? And I guess Trump

04:36 ostensibly or maybe ritually was the last obstacle standing in their way. And now they're just becoming more and more open, and unapologetic and shameless... you know just really in your face about all this stuff. You know not just the ritualism but also just the fact that as I've been saying for many many years this country is a national security state that's run by the military-industrial complex or controlled by the military industrial complex. Who's running the show and who controls the show might be two different things, but the national security state which just commands vast sums of money they can lose $2 trillion and not miss a step they are the ones calling the shots and if you doubt that just look at the mainstream media these days like I said you cannot throw a rock on MSNBC or CNN show without

05:33 in five ex quote unquote XCIA agents. And you know, we understand that this has been going on for a very long time with Mockingbird and also the other connections in Hollywood and so on. You know just the media itself is very much beholden to the agendas of the national security state but one of the things that I would take a step further than maybe a lot of people like who look at the same material is that you can't look at a national security state without taking into account cults, sex and occultism and ritual. They've always been very intimately linked I believe that a few years ago when Trump was first elected i came on your show and was talking about the Praetorian Guard who were sort of the secret police but also

06:25 the culture shapers and the culture makers of the ancient Roman Empire. And, you know we have the same thing today it's taken different forms. We have obviously different forms of media but it's pretty much the same deal and probably more in our country than in other countries I mean every country has a national security apparatus that surrounds it so to speak. I just think it's just much more elaborate and totalizing in our country than it is, say in Russia or China or Iran or wherever. It's hard for people to appreciate the scope of this national security apparatus but also the scope of the occultism and cults and all these kinds of things that are so deeply embedded into this monolith that it becomes almost unrecognizable to people

07:27 But I'll tell you something, it's just become so obvious and so open in the past few years. Particularly for somebody like me who has been studying the actual symbolism of Washington DC and the Capitol and the Masonic orders and all these kind of groups... Studying a lot of things that don't really get noticed or commented on say on your usual conspiracy sites you know, because they're always talking about the Illuminati and Satanism and all this kind of stuff. And I always sort of look more specifically at the actual symbols and what the actual symbols mean where they come from their histories and so on. And when you do that which i've been doing for quite some time now it becomes very easy to spot these things

08:17 And of course I have what's called Knowles' First Law. And Knowles' first law is that whenever a controversy over symbolism erupts in the media, it's almost always hiding a completely different symbolic message altogether and most recently i talked about this in the context of the Balenciaga thing so I think that we're just getting to a point now where the rituals have become so ubiquitous and the ops, I always start to wonder if these people can even keep track of all the ops. And you know all the ritualism and this kind of stuff because you know that whole idea like what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive? That's the whole business of these groups! It is interesting for me watching this whole phenomenon with Elon Musk where he started peeling back layers

09:13 you know, everybody goes well he's just part of it and everything like that which may be true but the thing you have to take into account is that we're not living in a Saturday morning cartoon. We're living in the real world where power brokers are constantly vying for control and one-upsmanship I mean these people are all narcissists they don't want to take orders from everyone else they all want to be at the top of the pyramid right so Musk might be doing these things and still be part of the overarching national security state because he wants to be on top of it. So, he's peeling back the layers and all this chicanery that the FBI were involved in with Twitter and everything like that which I'm sure is 10 times worse at Google and 10 times worse at Facebook and so on and so forth but it has just been a very interesting process to watch because you start to wonder

10:10 Is this the war in heaven heating up again? That's kind of how I see it. He is taking a lot of tricks from the Donald Trump playbook, you know, the gaslighting and that constant provocations and the constant teasing and the constant bullying... It is very much he has definitely become the next Trump. He's sort of like the Augustus to Trump's Julius, right? You know he is the Augustus Caesar but you know we have to look at this in the context of what's happening in the overall culture and not only the overall culture but the overall economy where Hollywood is serious trouble I've been saying this for years and people just didn't believe me But now we're starting to see tens of thousands of layoffs We're seeing billion dollar million dollar franchises just killed outright

11:01 None of these companies have any money left. The era free money is over, but we're also seeing big tech, big tech layoffs. We've seen just this year the number I saw in sort of the major big tech firms 152,000 people have been laid off this year. Jeez! You know journalism too some of these BuzzFeed, Vice these types of middle ground media companies they're also laying people off en masse and i heard you draw an analogy before about The Night Of Long Knives or just this general idea that You have a lot of foot soldiers doing your dirty work and they think they're in the club and they think they're going to get a treat and a pat on the head. And really, once they've served their usefulness, they are abused like anybody. They are cut out of the circle first. I think with these firings that's a pretty good analogy like they serve the psychopaths and they thought they were in the club and they clearly are not. They are very expendable

12:04 Well, there's another thing going on here. And what it was is that as the American economy was emerging from the Great Recession, the Fed just basically made money free so we had all this free money flooding the system along with usual money laundering and tax dodging and all these other kind of things and this money needed somewhere to go. So we had this whole class of new venture capitalists pop up, and just start throwing billions of dollars at anybody who had a business plan. You know what I'm saying? All these online media... What we had maybe 10-15 years ago is that we had sites like Gawker which basically

12:52 Nobody expected much at the time, but it became a huge thing. They of course, Peter Thiel got them knocked off the boards. But we had a lot of money sunk into digital media because everybody thought oh yeah digital media is next big thing and pop culture is the next big thing and all this kind of stuff And all this money was just flooded. I mean, these companies were just flooded with money that didn't even know what to do with the money that they had. That's why we saw those videos like Twitter or this woman comes in as young woman comes in and basically does no work all day but she's getting like kombucha and espresso

13:29 all these delicious dinners and then sitting on the beanbag chairs. I mean, it's just because there was so much money flooding big tech because there is nowhere else for it to go. It has to go somewhere right? And the same thing with Hollywood we had all this money flooding Hollywood but that money has been restarted received for a while. I remember 10 years ago Spielberg and Lucas said Hollywood It's a dinosaur. It's on its last legs, it's going out now we're seeing that was seeing these massive layoffs and seeing these projects being killed. You know, we're seeing streaming services I think a lot of these major streaming services is going to be a winnowing effect A lot of this stuff is gonna be just cleared out And of course what we also had and we've talked about this On many occasion as the whole woke virus The whole woke contagion Yes Now This Is The Interesting Thing When you bring up Musk

14:23 is that I had talked about a few years ago, and I think we talked about it on the show too. Ricky Gervais' basically excoriation of Hollywood, the Hollywood elites at the Golden Globes. And I sort of saw... The piece I wrote on that I called The Insanity Assassin like maybe Gervais was tasked to start this process of beating back this woke contagion, which has just basically infested the entire city. And I think that maybe Musk's job is to do that with big tech because who did he fire? He fired all the diversity people, all the people who work for the CIA and FBI as quote unquote moderators. They're all just there to enforce

15:08 ideological discipline. They're no different than the old Roman censors, right? I mean they are literally the same thing as the old Roman censors. The problem being is that they're all working in service of this insane demonic contagion which is wokeness which is just basically a massive murder-suicide cult so... No honestly it really is If you look at the language that is spoken by the woke, I mean it's no different than Germany in the early 30s or Rwanda in the 90s. It's all demonization in order to eliminate the undesirables, or the Bolsheviks in the 20s. I mean there are all these precedents that we can name for this and it's always the same people that are targeted like the small businessmen and farm owners you know? That kind of thing what the Soviets called the Kulaks so yeah I mean woke is 100% CIA, its 100% globalist, I mean all these kinds of things but

16:08 I think that the Frankenstein monster went on the rampage a little too long. And we're starting to see people like David Zaslav at Warner Brothers Discovery being very explicitly anti-woke, also Musk...I think that if Musk is kind of saying these things out loud, I'm sure that people like Zuckerberg and Who's ever running Google right now? I mean, all these people like quietly ascend to this. You know what i mean but they just can't say it out loud because their clientele and their business plan sort of preclude that. With Musk, he doesn't care! He's just going in with a sledgehammer and just smashing everything that he sees so it's again this doesn't mean that he's not part of the system I mean he just authorized something like 10 000 new Starlink connections to Ukraine you know which basically Starlink is how NATO is

17:06 operating the Ukraine war. I mean, it's not the Ukrainians and most Ukrainians have just been slaughtered. We're seeing this more and more now that we're... It's being acknowledged that the real fighting is being done by mostly British but also Americans special services to Polish It's not the Ukraine war, it is the NATO-Russia war with Ukraine being the theater. And Musk is totally down with that program so...it's not like he's fighting against you know, the general direction that this occultic national security state wants to go Yes, yes. Well that is a really good lay of the land and I wanted to get more into the specific details Of some of the symbolism in recent events you mentioned Balenciaga That's a good one to start with because a lot of people were talking about it And it had this kind of pizza gate flavor to it of course but you went a lot deeper on some of the

18:03 entities invoked or the gods invoked. Yes. Like Balenciaga is owned by group Artemis, while this story comes out at the same time as the Artemis launch. Artemis is the twin sister of Apollo again, twin stories seeded and then what's really crazy Artemis is the goddess of nature childbirth, The Moon, The Hunt sudden death animals Virginity, young women and archery. Sudden death is the big one there but there's also this obsession with the Hunter Biden laptop so you got a hunter in there and It's just like that's the stuff that a lot of other people tend to miss, but you do a lot of good work there. Also the founder of Balenciaga was Cristobal Balenciaga. The guys first name is Cristo Ball? That is crazy! That's clearly made up name or something. Well no, that's a Spanish rendering of my name Christopher, but

19:00 It is interesting because it's Christ Bal, you know? And then Balenciaga. Of course everybody saw how the police tape in those very creepy ritualistic settings that they put these kids in had BAL instead of, you know it was spelled BAA. Yeah totally purposeful! Oh absolutely I mean every single square inch of these photo shoots is poured over nothing is left to chance these designers and the stylists they work very very hard to make sure that every square inch tells the story that they want to tell The thing that really struck me about Balenciaga aside from the obvious

19:45 creepy pedo bear nonsense that we're just seeing so much more of all the time now, so openly. I mean just imagine 10-15 years ago if you could go back in time and say, you know in 2022 will have like open grooming of children in schools and will have explicit drag shows being held for kindergarteners with strippers and so on... You would just say what are they talking about? Yeah! But also, I think that you can't separate the witchcraft from here because it's really what we're seeing here with Balenciaga is witchcraft. I'm looking right now at some of these photos and if you go back and look at them they're laid out very much like how pagan and occult say OTO Golden Dawn whomever how they lay out their altars where all these

20:40 sacred items, these icons, these totems are arranged very specifically and very orderly and very neatly. And we're seeing the same thing here if you just look at those Balenciaga photos and then go look at altars particularly occultic altars whether it's again like OTO or someone is rather unsettling how the arrangement of these objects Matches up but then there's also this weird kind of you know I pointed out the stellar symbolism because a lot of these scenes seem to have.

21:18 the teapot yeah that was for absolutely no reason well the teapot is Sagittarius which is galactic center but it's also associated or originally identified with Nurgle who was basically you know the equivalent of gods like Seth or you know Balhadad. Yeah, you say the god of war disease and death and it's like ding-ding-ding let's honor him right now yes! Yes oh exactly that's exactly what's going on I mean listen I don't know if i said so on your show, actually think I did but you know five years ago when we did the whole siren thing. I was like well you know guess what this is the apocalypse and everybody thought I was crazy because they think of the apocalypse as being like this Arnold Schwarzenegger movie

22:01 but what it actually is, is everything being revealed. Everything almost being forced to come to light you know? Everything's sort of forced into the light and it's just people like us who have our ears a little lower to the ground who are able to recognize all these symbolisms and these messages...you know..and what these messages convey and what they pretend we are a little bit just ahead of the curve of what's coming down the pipe but I think that Even a lot of normies are just starting to realize that something is dreadfully wrong. Something is extremely strange going on out there, but anyway... So in addition to the symbolism with Sagittarius and the teapot we also see these dragons But they're actually stars and planets in some of these I'm looking at this one here where they have the obvious Draco and Ursa

22:54 symbolism, which is actually on the cover of Alice Bailey's first book that very same alignment of Draco and Ursa Minor which includes Polaris the Pole Star. So you know I'm not making any unjustifiable leaps here by pointing out the astrological and planetary symbolism because it's pretty explicit in these layouts And also the dragons we see these black dragons with the same imagery of the bears but also the rabbit. So, the rabbit is right next to Orion, right? What we have here and what I was talking about as far as the overarching ritual symbolism is that concurrent with this whole Balenciaga controversy was what you mentioned before...

23:44 Artemis mission, you know where they're allegedly sending this rocket past the moon and so on and so forth. But the interesting thing about it is that it's the Artemis mission but it's the Orion capsule. So it's sort of that implied androgyny or hermaphrodism within that. But the image that NASA showed was just so clearly I mean extremely phallic. You know, because they have this incredibly phallic looking capsule and then the moon and the earth. Which is just like... Two balls in a dick! Yeah I mean it's just so in your face and of course you know you talked about the whole connection with group Artemis who are the ultimate owners of Balenciaga. I think there's another company in the middle there but Artemis is Kybel. Kybel is the goddess

24:38 who commanded that army of transgender priests, right? Of well not celibate but castrated. Castrated eunuchs like us yeah. Yeah castrated eunuchs so we're seeing all the symbolism continue altogether and if you look at some of the kids in the Balenciaga photos I'm not sure if they're born girls or they're just being feminized by their when chosen by proxy mothers, which is certainly very possible and extremely common these days. So just the layouts of these photos... Oh yeah! One of them even has a candle so it's like the candle and the teapot and the pedo bear and the bondage chains and so on. It's just really shameless. The interesting thing though is that there seems to be finally some pushback against this.

25:35 Balenciaga sort of taking it, or at least took it on the chin as far as boycotts and pushback. But you know I don't know there's another photo with a campaign that was cancelled but it has a book on the table so we know about the pages that were included in this other photo shoot. That was it, Ashcroft? The documents from Ashcroft versus Free Speech Coalition. That's the landmark case that ruled virtual or simulated child porn is legal. They specifically put the documents from that court case who even has that you had to like print that out and then put it on the desk in your fashion ad shoot. It's very strange. But yes, that was there and then, yes, the book

26:21 is another kind of adjacent thing. Well, there's a very strange connection here that I don't think a lot of people noticed so we had that shooting at the club in Colorado Springs right? And that kid clearly deep in the spectrum kid who claimed to be or his lawyers claim that he was non-binary But it turns out that he is actually a pedophile and was sort of hounded by those Encyclopedia Dramatica guys, I think that's sort of in that 4chan sort of orbit. The same guy who committed this mass shooting in Colorado Springs is also a pedophile and cited that same Ashcroft versus Free Speech Coalition argument in the flame war that he was having when he was being

27:12 Attacked by people for downloading, you know Japanese cartoon kiddie porn. He's saying well if it's a cartoon You know it's not It's not real kiddie porn no one's being hurt and that slippery slope but that book you mentioned David Bailey's invention of cool is the one that's in a stack of books in a photo that they didn't use. And this reddit user used nefariousness 12 noted that if you google the name david bailey crime, you find What I think he is saying is a different guy. It's not that author, but he has the exact same name and this guy was convicted of 19 counts of you guessed it child pornography. So it's like all the details if they aren't part of the stellar ritual, a lot of these details are paying homage to pedophiles and child porn collectors apparently well here's the thing

28:11 We've developed this very sick, weird interpretation of Darwinism. And what the secret societies who were not coincidentally bankrolling Darwinism through the Royal Society but we're always working towards was godhood basically, apotheosis ascension to godhood that... Darwin comes along with this rather insane idea that something can become something else, even though he had absolutely no concept of DNA. He didn't understand that whole concept you know the amino acids and so on he just like... It's like a hierarchy or ladder you can climb through that's the general philosophy of evolution is it is a transcendence? It is not science its religion and it's provably not science because

29:07 you know, the math on it doesn't add up when you start to factor in DNA and the whole idea of mutations. But he didn't know that because, you know, it's 150 years ago or whatever. And that information wasn't available to him but It's a religious doctrine. You look at this throughout a lot of secret society material, a lot of occult material and new age material...we see this term evolution used over and over again except the way they're describing evolution isn't like this slow process of adaptation to natural conditions right? And survival of the fittest and so on. The way that they see evolution is apotheosis

29:48 we are going to become gods, right? And gods of course have absolute impunity. So a lot of these people have just been raised in these bubbles of just unparalleled wealth and privilege and never facing consequences for any their actions ever that they naturally begin to see themselves as gods. The whole idea of godhood in the sort of cruelly occult dimension, of course is taboo violation. I mean Crowley was quite explicit about the idea of taboo violation he was not apologetic about this at all and you know you can argue that this sort of ties back to Tantrism so on like that but he certainly put his own spin on it but he also added in this whole

30:39 Darwinian evolution myth, you know that one thing can become another thing. So ergo I the weird sex pest whose parents were these weird contradiction of Plymouth brethren fundamentalists who also ran a brewery right? Got rich running a brewery and he is like so much the product of his culture but i think that was just sort of a forerunner because that whole idea self-righteousness and libertinism has sort of been the story of, you know modern culture ever since right? Particularly throughout the 20th century with a secular revolution and so on. So the point I'm making here is that this is the final hurdle You know these people already have all the money and all the power and all the prestige It's like well what do they not have what are they not allowed to have you know while they're not allowed to have like

31:34 Sex with kids right so openly yeah, openly or to celebrate this and have it celebrated So that's why we see this very you know slow but deliberate process well actually accelerating process now Right I'd say too fast but minor attracted person the fact that that's even a term crazy Yeah, it's repulsive. But you know one of the things that I found really interesting and I sort of discovered this by accident is that so we know George Soros is driving a lot of these NGOs and these non-profits that are very much part of this whole process with the trans movement and the groomer movement everything like that well it turns out he was best friends with Allen Ginsberg now if you know who Allen Ginsburg is all of sudden every thing starts to make more sense

32:23 Allen Ginsberg was one of the beat poets, became famous for a book hero called Howl. But it was also a card carrying Nambla member and a very outspoken and militant card-carrying Nambla member. And of course this is George Soros' drinking buddy so you really have to start to wonder none of this stuff feels organic or spontaneous in any way, shape or form. And then the fact like I said that if you look at the Balenciaga... If you look beneath the surface, the obvious surface, the creepy surface with the bondage bears and everything like that and start to see this very specific stellar symbolism that i've been looking at for quite some time particularly with the dragon and the serpent and so on it all starts to make a little more sense but i'm just looking at this stuff and i'm just ah you know um i keep waiting

33:20 for when does this finally go too far? Yeah. You know what I mean, because there are a lot of like people by people, I mean cucks who like well you know if you start to notice that Satan the satanic temple is setting up kids clubs in elementary schools your satanic panic, satanic panic. I can't tell how many times people have accused me of being satanic panic right or if you oppose These weird blue haired freaks these mental patients just basically doing nothing but brainwash kids with all this weird gender ideology right then you're like.

34:00 a bigot or something. Exactly, that's kind of what woke does is it makes you tolerant or tells you need to be tolerant of every single thing because that's just the way they want to live and they should be allowed to be them whether they think there are different gender whether their attracted kids that's their truth and you can't say anything about it because as you say that's bigotry we need to be tolerant of everyone but That agenda is definitely obviously something a lot of people see, but in terms of the stellar symbolism and the naming of the gods as we've talked about in many different

34:39 cultural events throughout all these interviews. We did one big show where you equated it all to a Mithraic cult, and then later it seems like we're folding a Mithraic cult under a larger Watchers' cult—a cult that just is in love with the fallen angels story of Enoch and And again, the fallen angels would be light bringers in a sense. So that's the misinterpretation of Luciferianism but it's in the same ballpark. Well these gods that are being invoked here are largely Greek and then of course there's tons of Egyptian symbolism that gets thrown into these things

35:21 Help us make the case that this all folds under a watcher cult, or if there is a hierarchy of cults. Ultimately the people at the top of the pyramid are most loyal to The Watchers or that's their thing? Help us out there help us parse through some of that. Well this is still a work in progress for me so I can't make any conclusive statements as far as The Watcher Cult and this is something that really kind of gelled for rather recently and had to do with my work on the stellar symbolism of 9-11, and so on. So I think with the Watcher cults...I think the British royal family is sort of...and not only the British royal family but all these royal families are very much part of this process okay? But the thing is that there's always been sectarianism. There has always been competing cults even

36:22 during the high Middle Ages, you know when the Church is almost unchallenged before that—well after I guess the Orthodox and Catholic schism but before the Reformation. There were all these monastic and nunnery orders and so on…I mean there are all these groups that had different interpretations in different agendas. So if you just look at the nature of power and human nature itself it's very difficult for people to sort surrender to one overarching umbrella when they have their own umbrella. But I'm positing about the Watcher cult, and I think the genius behind it is that it's obviously a Masonic...it's a relatively recent creation and has to do with the rediscovery of The Book of Enoch at least in the West by James Bruce okay? And that was in late 1700s. Then the books were

37:25 There were a number of translations throughout the 19th century, but these translations were concurrent with the rise of all these occult orders such as the Hermetic Order or The Golden Dawn. revival of the Rosicrucians and all these different Masonic orders, and so on. So what I think the purpose of The Watcher cult which seems to be very much a deliberate creation—and as i said a recent deliberate creation—is to sort of fold all these weird neo-pagan kind of mystery cults and maybe even Satanism... And just all these weird

38:10 little groups that the elites all sort tend to congregate within, you know. That they also want to separate themselves into these little sects and these little groups and so on. So I think what The Watcher cult—and again this is something that is fairly new—the purpose of it is to provide you know, okay well you're into Mithras right? Well Mithras is a watcher. He came from the rock and the rock is Mount Hermon if you really want to look at it that way and... You can sort of fold everything in because the whole idea of The Watchers was that they were the rebel angels who became to be seen as pagan gods

38:51 Put simply, that's the story of the Watchers right? That we see in Genesis and Enoch. First Enoch but also in Book of the Giants and Book of the Jubilees and so on... So they're angels right? They are subservient to The Most High but they are basically for lack of a better term The Archons! They're our rulers. They're in charge of this realm. When you talk about Greek and Egyptian there's an argument to be made that all these, the formalized religions right? All stem from Sumer and Babylon. Right so that the Egyptian religion is they're always sort of like these animistic pagan nature-based cults right but the real organization where we started to have like organized temples and organized priest craft these networks so on of these cults and so on

39:44 this really springs from Sumer. This was a great innovation of Sumer, right? And that you can look at the Sumerian pantheon and start to see the equivalence in Greek Egyptian Syrian Mesopotamian Some people would even argue some of the early Hindu pantheons and so on. So this all sort of just spreads out, but it's the idea that it's not just like witch doctors and Madison men leading the tribe with these nature gods and so on. It's a much more developed and organized hierarchical network. And that this ultimately stems from Sumer. Scholars believe that the watches were

40:34 a way for apocalyptic Jewish cults in the late first millennium BC, many of whom were still—if they were not under the auspices of whoever was running Babylon at the time certainly had a memory of like the Assyrian era when you know the Syrian-Babylonian empire which was just incredibly brutal but also very technically So that's why this whole idea of the Watchers and technology, right? But the technology in the Book of Enoch just leads to war. Okay so basically I think what The Watcher Cult does and again this is very early in the process for me... Is that it provides a way to take all these different belief systems and cults and mystery cults and so on and fold it under one sort of exegesis right

41:29 You see what I'm saying? But it can also fold in Jewish, Christian Muslim traditions. You know what I'm saying? Particularly the more esoteric variants thereof because what it's saying is that like listen you have the story backwards. The history was written by the winners right and the winners were whoever was worshipping the archangels Michael Uriel Gabriel so on and so forth they won out somehow condemned, you know the good guys to, you know perdition or to the depths of the ocean or whatever. Maybe even into outer space right? The waters above a firmament right but they were the good guys they came here to help us You know They love humanity They gave us all these tools and this whole story that you read in Enoch and so on is all just propaganda from the triumphant Archangel cults Right So that very much fits into our sort of modern

42:29 thinking, right? Which is very contrarian and individualistic. We're always trying to go against tradition or receive tradition which we automatically see as corrupt, right? So it's just like oh well you know maybe that makes sense you know maybe like...we don't need to change the Catholic Church and so on we just need to sort of shift it The history is set right, you know. That the good guys were the ones who imprisoned, right? The ones who imprisoned in Tartarus with Semenyaza and Azazel and all these people... They were the good guys! The bad guys were Michael and Gabriel again so on and so forth So there's actually like a real genius to it but I discussed this on your show basically on This Iron Show when i first really saw what was going on with the Millennium Dome show

43:23 And the Millennium Dome show was like, that was the British government's big production. That was their big announcement for the 21st century wasn't it? I mean because all these governments and so on were all putting on these shows for the turn of millennia and that was a big show the demons of the air find the daughters of men to be attractive and create this new super hybrid race. And that's what, I mean that-that's the story of The Millennium Dome Show! It is just like Nobody's heard of this. I keep telling people about this, because it was the prototype for all these mega rituals that we've been seeing since with the Super Bowls and so on. And The Award Show. Yeah, The Award Show is Gotham Tunnel. It's a perfect example! But it's all variations on the same story—that good guys were imprisoned and they need to be released and will all live in paradise with this new race of watcher

44:21 human hybrids, right? Alien-human hybrids in modern parlance. Right? Yes and you can fold a lot of the alien stuff into because it's all about genetics. It's about here is this other type of nonhuman creature wanting to make hybrids with humans I mean that is the crux of I guess the oldest story in the game but let me just interject here for because okay we talked about the aliens and The book where the whole alien-human hybrid stuff really came into the culture, and then people like David Jacobs sort of took off with it. It was a book by Raymond Fowler about a woman who claimed to be an abductee called Betty Adraeson, and the book was called The Watchers. Okay? Literally called The Watchers—if you don't believe me just go on Amazon and there it is because that's where all this

45:14 human alien hybrid stuff comes from with these books written by Raymond Fowler, with Betty Andreassen. And then there was even this thing with William Barr's father. He was a big figure in the last couple of years. His father wrote a science fiction book about sexual slavery and space relations, a gothic interplanetary tale. So it's just like again It's the things that are going on in these people's heads that are running the show it relates to the same motif but just while we still are in the first hour I wanted a fold in the world cup because you point out a ton of reasons why this is. The same old thing,

45:55 The mascot for the World Cup was this white sheep ghost figure named Laib, or B-E-A-L. Obviously, you say aside from the obvious Ouroboros and Masonic symbolism of the World Cup logo. There was another curious bit of hyper potent ritualism that lands us straight in the world of watcher adoration and that's this video where the mascot ghost thing takes Moroccan musician Red One through a portal to a digital metaverse land called Mascot Verse

46:34 And then for people who haven't seen this, they go through the portal and Red One asks what is this place? And the mascot says a parallel universe that has been around since the beginning of time that relies on the thoughts and ideas of humans. And red one says so we live in parallel universes and work together. The mascot says yes, we work very hard to inspire humans to be better. Then it gets really weird he says we inspire your marketing executives to help us come down to earth. Well, if this parallel universe has always been around why are you only showing yourself now? And this mascot says...

47:10 We've been trying to reach out to you forever. Aliens, Bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster? You just keep misinterpreting our visits! CS mascots have always been here watching over you and there's much more but that is the gist and I don't know what any of that has to do with the World Cup a fricking soccer tournament It has nothing to do with it at all But its injected there anyway because thats where the eyes are right? The eyes are there So we have to make sure that when the attention of the people is on something, it gives veneration to our gods or our heritage. I mean who knows? Are these people... Why is this their obsession? Is it because they're the offspring, the lineage of the Nephilim? Or what is their relationship to the fallen angels you think? Well, I think there's a number of different interpretations to make here

48:08 But it almost reminds me of the whole process with Constantine, right? With these families that understood that the Roman Empire as it was constituted was unsustainable. That there were a number of... First of all most of the people living inside the Roman Empire were slaves and second of all they were all different races and different nationalities and different tribes and so on a lot of the impetus to create a Catholic, universal church came from that. This need to create some sort of unifying principle that would unite all these disparate peoples and help to... I don't know necessarily pacify but help to just create

49:02 a framework that people can all sort of relate to one another. Because what you had in the pagan world was just absolute chaos, absolute chaos! I mean still today...I mean the Roman world, the paganism was so syncretic that i don't think anybody could even keep track of anything anymore. You had these gods that were all interchangeable but their names and their roles bedlam, you know what I'm saying? So the whole idea that we need to start fresh. We need sort of star from square one was not a bad idea. You can argue with however it was carried out but it was like we need to just give people some sort of focus and back then culture was necessarily religious. It's embedded in the world culture right? So I would argue that what we're seeing now

49:56 is a new version of that. So we have this push for this global empire, right? We have this push obviously even if the globalist strategy itself has kind of hit the rocks on many ways but there's still this push to create this one world culture, one world government. But really the best way to do so... The easiest way, the most efficient way would be create a One World Religion You understand what I'm saying? But it's got to be something, you know can't be something like we see in an old Left Behind movie where it's like oh worship the devil and people are not going to worship the devil. Right just not gonna do all these sickos and perverts are gonna worship the devil It's just the way it is What about scientism? What about saying all that religious stuff was silliness for kids And we've graduated To a more mature academic worldview and science is our god

50:58 That's over. That died with Epstein, because he was the big funder of that and that has to do with… I don't know if we discussed that but it has to do with this guy named John Brockman who basically had this whole idea of a third culture where scientists would take place Poets and philosophers and so on, and he was a big influence on Epstein. Mm-hmm You know we talked about Barr's father So part as far as the guy who hired up seen in the first place right? It's all this you know it's all interlocking right but I think that The scientific it's just over you know atheism the atheist movement. I mean look at all the bright lights of it

51:41 Chris Hitchens is dead and he was the only real true intellectual among them. Sam Harris just totally clowned himself on Twitter, and he's just basically ran with his tail between his legs. Dawkins just went a little too hard in the paint with the whole pedo business and he basically disqualified himself. I mean, everybody realizes that Daniel Dennett is a sociopath so those are the four or five horsemen right? What's left... The movement is dead. Woke absolutely eviscerated the skeptic movement, the atheist movement. This is not supposition it's all pretty well documented

52:24 You know, Atheism Plus which was just basically woke atheism basically tore a hole in that whole movement. It's just over! It's just over. So is the next evolution the Space Brothers? Well...Space Brothers are The Watchers. Right. They're all just repackagings of The Watchers and it's- if you look underneath this skirt that becomes obvious very quickly that this is just uh, repackaging for The Watchers It's hard to say because, again there is all this sectarianism and there are all these power blocks constantly vying for control. For instance we had this huge push starting back in October 2017 that was the real kickoff of the apocalypse with DeLong and his CIA handlers putting out a whole ATIP disclosure thing and the TikTok video and all this kind of stuff. The

53:23 Pentagon just basically sort of put the last nail on that thing's coffin. I mean, that thing has been falling apart ever since it was put together right? You know DeLong basically just totally made a fool of himself on Joe Rogan and then they try to push Elizondo and Elizondo is like all these issues with his backstory in this credibility Yeah It's just totally falling apart now So i'm not exactly sure how they're gonna Put that back together but it might be a completely different group That does so right You know, this is the problem. When you're constantly in this lie mode and your lies justify the means it's like yeah I'm going to tell these white lies but it's all on the surface of the greater good. You just start losing track of the lives and I think

54:14 The Twitter thing might have something to do with this because it turns out that Podesta's niece was one of these people that was acting as a censor on Twitter and all these connections with all these other creepy crawlies. I think for the whole UFO, quote unquote Project Blue Beam thing has probably been put on the back burner for now but who knows? Who knows you know we don't really have access but it seems that whole To The Stars Academy and all the rest of it, like just basically... You know it crashed on takeoff. And you've got to feel sorry for poor Peter LaVenda who basically sacrificed all his credibility on the altar of Tom DeLonge and paid mightily for it so I don't know! What I see happening—and this is again speculation—I could see that this whole Watcher cult mythos

55:13 instead of creating, oh you're going to worship the Watchers. I think that it would sort of insert itself into the churches. It could easily insert itself for instance through all the Protestant churches which is total clown shows now and they seem to be making or they have been making good headway in the Vatican for a number of years. I think we'd be much more likely to see the Watcher cult embed itself in the established religions Because you have a ready-made infrastructure, you have temples. You have clergy. You have foundations. You have an entire infrastructure that you don't have to build from scratch right? And it sort of makes sense with how I see this watcher cult operating was like listen

56:01 Enoch isn't even canonical, so why are you going by Enoch? There's that line in Genesis but that was somebody else. That wasn't the Watchers! Does it say the Watchers?! No it doesn't say the Watchers...it's somebody else right? That was some other angels they were just they didn't know what they were doing So, you know why would you believe Enoch? Nobody's ever believed Enoch. It's not in the Torah it's not in the Bible I mean come on just... You know this is a case of mistaken identity just relax so that's how I could see this playing out and again I'm still very early in this process but there are still all these other things you know we've talked about the whole Mithraic thing which is just kind of overwhelming when you open your eyes to it

56:42 you know, for instance that statue of Mithras Phaenus at the gate. Well it's not even just Mithras Phaenus it's Trans-Mithras Phaenus at the gate of St Louis University which is run by the Jesuits right? I mean if you go look at that thing it's like...that would be most people's idea of what a demon looks like right? Like something straight from The Pits Of Hell! Like Jezebel or something right and there it is smack dab on the front gate of Saint Louis University so um It's all hiding in plain sight, you know? And I think people are so distracted by like Illuminati and Luciferianism and all these sort of mythical constructions that they blind themselves to seeing what's directly in front of their eyes.

57:28 Well, we could also kind of equate this to the Lucifer's technology thing where the reason they pay this homage is because they are given gifts which are usually technological. And when you started that series and I just loved it, I didn't even know about the book The Invisible Rainbow by Arthur Furstenberg which everybody talks about now because he goes really, really deep and dense into the changes in our electrical environment through technology and how electricity was used in the early day. And how radar made everybody sick when it went around. It's like

58:04 As a culture, we don't talk about the sickness that a lot of that stuff brings but it is there and his main premise is that every time there's a level jump in the electrification of the earth. It makes us sicker but makes our lives last longer And it is just like, of course that is how a demon's gift would work to humanity. It just seems to be a real match for me and I thought about Lucifer's technologies the whole time I was reading his book and I think it fits but that's why they give The veneration perhaps is because they want the gifts or when they get the gifts it requires constant veneration. And I think now they're in like this position where, They don't have the gifts or technology to

58:51 do the checkmate part of this whole plan. So there may be scrambling to be like, hey you know give us a little more we're doing the things were paying homage to you the way you want We got the Artemis launch. We got everything going on Give us that last gift so that we can complete our mission here The World Economic Forum Sustainable Development Goals thing What do you think about that? I think that's absolutely right and talk about like the hollow earth and Vrill and so on One of the things that people don't realize is that Vril is electricity. The power of Vril is electrical, and if you read the book Vril which is not a very easy read but we talked about this at the Secret Sound Institute on a live stream it is electricity and don't forget that electricity was a pretty big deal back in the mid to late 1900's so it was total game changer I think that we've seen

59:51 You know, I've talked a lot about Peak Tech and i think people are starting to catch on to Peak Tech now. I think we were so conditioned again by this FSD network but also Hollywood and science media... I mean the science media was all basically can be traced back to FSD in some way but this whole idea that you know all this crazy stuff is going to happen all these like stupid CGI robot videos from Boston Dynamics and so on and then recently there's another silly CGI video of these little incubators, right? You don't give the slaves the tools to overthrow you. If you make the slaves too powerful... I mean even like, you know,

1:00:35 They're the bosses of the slaves. There's this sort of like, The Overseers but they're still slaves right? They have the whip hand but they're still the slaves you don't give the slaves...you only give them enough power to do your bidding—to do what YOU want done right? You don't give the slaves enough power to overthrow YOU or to set themselves up as gods and that's why I think with the ritualism that is just becoming so obvious that i think even like oblivious normies are starting to like wake up a little bit, right? Because it's become so in your face. So obvious so ubiquitous but I think that's almost to me like that's a sign of desperation you know what i'm saying and if you look at any culture when you talk about like Baal right well what is Baal known for? Baal was well known for his identity as Malak right and was Malak well-known for? Well Malak was well known for that people would

1:01:28 sacrifice their children to them in these ovens. They would bring the kids to these ovens and burn them alive." Well, when did this happen? Is this just like they did it for kicks? No, they did it when there was a famine or war, some existential crisis faced the community. They would sacrifice their children to Baal. I think that is driving a lot of this predation that we're seeing on children today with the groomers and sexual mutilations and so on You always go after, you know that you perceive your least perceived that your masters whether it be gods or angels are aliens and demons. They want your children right? There was a whole Torchwood I don't know if you saw the Torchwood miniseries Children of Earth but it was that exact idea right we've reached the end of the technological bullet train

1:02:18 It's the last stop in the station. There will probably be some sort of things trickling in, like you mentioned the AIR and chat AIs and so on but these things are not actually true AIs they're just dumb algorithms that give you what you ask for, right? They have a lot of data and they're just putting puzzle pieces together from this massive amount of the data. It's like a big calculator for words or for art Exactly but they can't create anything ex nihilo. They can't create something from nothing You know this is something that I've been saying when i first really noticed these punch-you in the face rituals which really started for me in 2016 with

1:03:00 Gothic Tunnel and I'm just watching gothic tunnel and just thinking alright wait something has shifted something has changed this is way too explicit this is way to. unambiguous, it's just way too in your face. But I broke that down—people go well that's Satan and everything like that. It's actually Jupiter-Amon and those other creatures and everything—those are the Watchers. It's all about freeing the Watchers from Tartarus. And if you go back and watch something and think is this actually about freeing the Watchers from Tartarus? It takes you about five minutes to realize exactly what's going on but

1:03:37 I think there's a level of desperation and it has to do with peak tech, but also the end of these science fiction dreams. There are a lot of these kind of science fiction fantasies that have been injected into culture for over 100 years now if you go back to people like Vernon and so on and that was part and parcel of this whole idea of Darwinian apotheosis, right? That we are destined to become gods ourselves. Gods upon the earth, right? Man will become God I think they're starting to realize that's never going to happen you know immortality is never gonna happen you know transhumanism is just absolute nerd nonsense

1:04:22 You're not going to ever update your consciousness into some mainframe in the middle of the Utah desert and so on. It's just these things are not going to happen, we've reached a limit." And it was inevitable and looking at it today you can't help but see like why did people think this was just gonna go on and on and on forever? How did they deceive themselves into thinking that. And again, I think that is why these rituals have gotten so extreme like... So I have OCD right? I've always been you know pretty upfront about that. OCD is really triggered by certain anxieties and so on and then you start to partake in what could on some cases be seen as ritualistic behavior right the classic thing with the hand washing stuff actually I stopped doing the hand-washing thing because my

1:05:15 My hands are so chapped. They're just like, raw! I gotta stop doing that." But it is an OCD process. I think that ritualism is ultimately based in anxiety. When they talk about the whole idea with Malik and the Taufids You know, the other thing that I found rather curious when we talked about the whole Artemis thing and the Artemis connection to castration and so on sexual mutilation was that the logo at least the original logo for the Artemis mission didn't really look so much like Artemis but looked like T'Ni. Now who is T'ni? Well T'ni is Baal's consort and she also

1:06:00 would be satiated with these tofits, with burning your children alive in these ritual ovens and so on. Right? And you say that because as an audio only show I like to make these points when you look at the Artemis logo it has these kind of ram's horn shaped kind of things on the sides of the head almost like Princess Leia's buns Yes! That's why you say well Artemis didn't really get represented like that but but Tanit did and so then you show side-by-side the Artemis logo with a famous bust of Tanit, and you're like no this is the match because they're always lying about The names and the labels it's always something a little darker that they don't want you to make the connection too And that is why you say that if anyone looked at those two pictures on the blog side by side It's pretty clear again all roads lead to ball bail whatever you want to say well getting back to the World Cup I mean This is something that

1:06:56 You know, you talk about Artemis being the goddess of sudden death. Do you remember that there was a soccer journalist who showed up in Qatar with the rainbow shirt on and he was stopped at the gate? And they kicked him out and told him to get lost and everything like that. He died suddenly! I shouldn't laugh it's a terrible thing but it's just not only the whole idea He was one of these guys who's always going on Twitter and berating people for not getting vaccinated, and then dies suddenly of coronary complications. But also he so

1:07:39 he was so visible as this symbol. And to me, again it's Knowles' Law I don't know if they knew he was going to die or expect him to die maybe that was just sheer coincidence It gets to the point with a lot of ritualism you don't know if this is what people are doing or just like sheer chance or synchronicity Or the doing of these weird entities and it becomes impossible to pick out and I think thats part of the impetus behind this by having these constant rituals where you're trying to practice sympathetic magic and manipulate synchronicity, right? You try to create almost like Alice in Wonderland world. Where the world just stops making sense in a logical way and you can never really tell where things are coming from why things are acting the way they do on my deep dive group we call this The Shimmer which comes from The Annihilation film but

1:08:38 I think that's kind of being able to master that and to summon that shimmer, again this term from annihilation. I think is one of the purposes behind a lot of this ritualism and again it's all the old certainties have just washed away we're all in this like weird fugue state and these people are trying to manipulate them but it just seems increasingly desperate to me because It's not hard. Like I've been doing this for a long time, so maybe I'm just a little bit ahead of the curve on picking out some of the more subtle uses of this symbolism but it's really not hard to figure this stuff out you know now that we've got Google and so on or whatever search...I mean i don't use google as a search engine because it's become totally useless but you know what I'm saying yeah yeah and I like that you say it's like rooted in anxiety because if that seems to be true to me it's almost as if

1:09:33 These elite have gotten in bed with really dark entities and now they're engaged in this like trust fall with the fallen angels or the watchers. And they're just like, all right are you going to be there to catch me? Like I've done everything that you want me to do. Are you gonna be there? And it's like no Probably not in the end, but when will that trust fall actually happen? When will they face plant onto the ground it's on. It's unclear I guess because these things have really long arcs but you are one of the greats i'm lucky to know ya obviously The blog is Ground Zero for all things you secret sun dot blog spot com and the patreon Is always so full of great stuff I can barely even keep up the Donnie Darko thing is the next only

1:10:21 Watch I'm going to have when I have a few hours set aside. That was a lot of fun, that was a good one! What else would you add? Uh, that you're going to be doing with Gordon, you talked about a new book on the pulps. You've been talking about the new synchromistic handbook. What are you gonna be doing? Well first of all, I want it...I wanna get a hardcover edition of He Will Open The Sky Out because i've been working on the sequel which is coming very very slow. It's coming even slower than the first one but also the Synchronistic Handbook, which is probably going to be out in the springtime. The book on the Pulse it's kind of like just any pop culture stuff I just have to push back because there was other stuff that I need to get through first but there's a lot of material coming up on The Secret Sun we do these three four hour live streams that are just lots of fun but very informative

1:11:16 you know, I give my presentations. The patrons are always giving me incredible information to supplement that we're going to be doing hollow earth. We're going to be doing space brothers. You know, we're gonna get back into the real we're gonna get in the real connection rock and roll basically. I had this whole huge plate with all this real watcher stuff and i'm not exactly sure why I got thrown off that track but i'm getting back on that track because most of the material is ready to roll so it's going to Very, very hot in January. We're going to do the Space Brothers... well on New Year's Eve we're gonna do a Big Space Brothers soiree but yeah there's just a lot of material coming up I've just got so much to go through there's so much going on in the world and you know I just feel like

1:12:06 You know, I was born for these times. Yeah yeah i remember that from last time and when you say the pulps you mean like weird tales and the Shave-a Mystery and Lovecraft? Exactly exactly! I love it! I would really enjoy seeing you tackle that the way you did superheroes because it's very adjacent but no one's talking about the old pulps No and basically everything that's interesting about the superheroes in the comic books was ripped off from the pulp But also there's a lot of kind of Hollow Earth connections with Lovecraft as well that I want to dig into. Yeah, he's definitely going to be playing him major part. I don't know if there's enough material for a Lovecraft Hollow Earth separate presentation but he's definitely gonna be playing a major part in it because you know stories like The Festival and so on Mountain of Madness. Mountain of Madness yeah apparently even Edgar Allan Poe had a few references. Well again this is circulating and

1:13:02 It's my opinion, but it is something that is not without basis. I think all this ultimately ties back to the watchers and when you look at the timeline It's just curious that if this was intentionally seeded by members of the aristocrat class or adjacent authors, why didn't it take? Because they're very good at like forcing something to take and get picked up. It just seemed to fizzle out and you would have expected... What didn't take? The Hollow Earth in general. Hollow Earth is pretty big for a long time. Well fair I guess I just like it so much! I wish there was more. I wish it was being brought out again

1:13:43 Well, I just think it had its time. You know what I mean? I think things go through their cycles but you know one thing that i've talked about a lot and boy did I get a lot of heat from Lovecraft fans when I talked about how basically his entire Cthulhu mythos is rewriting Alice Bailey craziness which is all explicitly based on The Watchers by the way If you go back and read Alice Bailey books, particularly her early books. I mean she just talks about the watchers and the angels who watch and The One Who Watches. She uses that terminology over and over again. And this would probably make a good long-form video

1:14:23 Talking about how Lovecraft is basically incorporating all this Watcher stuff via Alice Bailey and was introduced to him by E. Hoffman Price who was a you'd have to be like a bar soap not to see that the sky was up and down military intelligence. I mean, he was in the American Expeditionary Force and worked for UN Carbide. His whole entire resume screams intelligence at you — pre-CIA intelligence but still Army Intelligence — and I think he was basically Lovecraft's handler. You know what I've talked about? That's a whole other discussion! But the point of this all is that there's a lot of Hollow Earth adjacent material in Lovecraft stories so...

1:15:12 That will be coming up. Fair, and Alice Bailey just to put a fine point on it She actually said the fallen angels were the good guys because they didn't disobey God they actually carried out a mission from God and it was a mission to kind of be the bad guy's and do the thing They sacrificed themselves in their own Goodwill To bring cosmic consciousness to man And that is exact match for the hidden hand material if you've ever read that but this idea that the elite aren't the bad guys they're playing the role of bad guys and it's really a sacrifice and it sucks. They don't want to do it, they'd rather be up in heaven with God and every other angel but they are down here playing a role to apply pressure to you stupid people so that that pressure

1:16:00 Gets you to grow gets you to overcome and it's interesting. What do you ask me like so this summer i talked about with gordon right inside if u go well alright deposit this watcher called trying where are they who are they what is their literature and I would say the most again use that term forward facing the most forward-facing aspect of the watch calls is lucis trust which Has money up the wazoo and you know hardly any actual followers right but somehow bill and melinda gates are popping millions of dollars into this organization they have offices in mayfair and wall street some reason just weird cult that seems to be made up exclusively of eccentric old ladies.

1:16:55 has incredible power and influence in certain circles. And I would argue that it's because they are setting up at least an aspect of the Watcher cult. If you don't believe me, go read her books! It's all right there! She doesn't hide it. She's very, very upfront about the adoration of the Watchers and like you mentioned that they're the good guys and they made this huge sacrifice to bring cosmic consciousness to Earth and so on... So yeah! See that's the thing Satanism is for creepy sex pets right? It's just for weirdos and perverts right? Everybody knows that right? It's just stupid and cringy right? It's very easy to just push back

1:17:41 particularly when you see guys like Lucien Grieves, who looks like a comic book supervillain. This Watcher thing is going to be much harder to counteract because that argument that Bailey or her handlers—her British intelligence handlers made so cogently—that's going to be very hard... It reminds me of the arguments that were made in Da Vinci Code. You know? That Jesus actually escaped the cross and had a family and all this kind of stuff You know what I'm saying? So it's like, it's embedded within the context of the established religion. But it also completely subverts it you see what I mean and that to me is much harder to counteract than like just a bunch of like dumpy perverts running around in black robes and stuff Yeah well It's gonna be an interesting couple years for sure And we'll see how that rolls out but

1:18:36 Man, we could do it all day. This has been really great I hope people do keep up with you on the blog and join that patreon because there's so much good stuff there but it was a pleasure and I guess We will talk again maybe when the next thing comes out for ya But until then take care Thank You sir always a pleasure Sweet black robe dumpy perverts Batman kickin' the new year off right with one of the greats And it really is my favorite subject matter, the overlap of the occult and conspiracy. Synchromysticism is more pattern recognition but so often the pattern is there because an event is ritualized So it's all in the mix but that's my favorite space and there are just not that many people who do it well If you know some that haven't been on THC send them my way because I find it to be the most exciting stuff

1:19:35 And I just sort of wait until Chris has enough material to justify it, but as deep as he went on Balenciaga and the World Cup... To me seemed like good material to get on the THC record. Of course i didn't really complete my goal of not working between Christmas and New Year's because I had shows to get out But it is what it is! I don't think we really missed much by recording this when we did I suppose we missed the total meltdown of Southwest Airlines but that was predictable. People have been saying that was a disaster waiting to happen since they fired all the staff who wouldn't get the shot and then with those who did get the shot there's enough injuries now they really don't have enough pilots! There is also some news going around that it wasn't a software failure, that they actually were hit by a hacker attack and that took them down when they were on the ropes already

1:20:28 And it's curious, because it wasn't just any airline. It was the one known for being the cheapest so that to me is a red flag seems like a little corporate espionage and now Southwest might not even be a company in a couple of months from now and we all know the reality is that they don't want us traveling So this sort of stuff happens I don't know if you out there have tried to get a flight recently or noticed with some of your deliveries over the holidays They are measuring CO2 usage and displaying that when you make your purchase. And that's right in line with us having some sort of allotment for credits, that infrastructure is being put in place right now and you can see it being just a few more steps until we're there sadly

1:21:16 if you listen to martin armstrong and his interviews he's saying that socrates is very accurate predictive software that is had for years actually went to jail because it wouldn't turn over the FBI or the CIA, i forget who was trying a strong arm but because of socrates he's been saying that january looks like a big turning point. He can't exactly pin down what that is, but he says something significant. His suggestion was the US giving Ukraine Patriot missiles because they would say they were for defense but then they would of course use those missiles offensively and then we'd be in hot water here at home. That was just one possibility, but something of that magnitude? Something of that nature

1:22:03 So keep your eyes open. And of course, in this interview I didn't mean to keep saying World War III is coming because I do agree with Chris that it is here but I just mean you know the main event we're still on the opening credits ushers are still pointing people towards their seats but I absolutely think that when we're on the other side of World War 3 history books will show that it has already kicked off The other thing I saw, maybe related to Armstrong's January turning point. Maybe not? Was that apparently Biden signed some sort of provision that granted protection for whistleblowers specifically on the UFO UAP issue? Maybe that recent mass sighting over the Sapphire Strip Club in Vegas is part of it? Who knows! So we might get some movement there of some kind although i do not trust the aliens from outer space narrative anymore

1:23:01 In fact, I like the Terrence McKenna quote where he says we're interacting with a phenomena that disguises itself as an alien invasion as to not alarm us. Such a great line! Although i don't know how much of that alien invasion rapper is from the phenomena itself and how much of it is lacquered on from military intelligence but if they want you to think it's this then it's probably that right? Either way I appreciate Chris helping me kick off the new year right with a good one I wish i had a guest doing this type of work every month but it's just kind of rare like i said. Funny that he railed against darwinism because clearly it's simpatico with the John Hamer Shannon Rowan episode just before it which makes for a nice little happy accident of THC continuity

1:23:53 Clearly a lot of bad ideas have been injected into our heads over the years. It's just hard to know where to draw the line, hard to know exactly where the truth lies as the new old intro says we know they're lying to us We just don't know to what degree and I'm dusting that old intro off because we've heard plenty of the Old-old OG Intro we know why the show is called The Higher Side Chats And we know i like weed let's speed things up a bit The band theme, I guess is what i should call it, is shorter and I'm collecting covers for anyone out there who wants to make one and get it in the rotation. It just needs to be a top quality production that's very listenable and the lyrics are the same. I think I have six now so it's gonna get fun!

1:24:43 I also had a really nice After Effects template made up for the video platforms and...I'll probably get Twitter Blue and use it on Twitter. I don't care about the goddamn blue checkmark, but if i'm going to be able to post full shows there then it seems like its better than YouTube! It would be adventurous but I might even try Twitch. I haven't decided if that's too much trouble or not This template has moving tentacles and a waveform and images of me an the guest. It's a lot nicer than a typical audiogram, if you ask me! I'm launching it with this episode and also going to use it for clips too

1:25:22 It's all really because I did that episode of Rune Soup where we went over our top 10 conspiracy books and so many people commented or wrote me and said, I never knew what you looked like. Or I wish you would do video because it's a lot more entertaining or interesting And because of the way I edit THC that's never going to happen but...I made this to get us a little bit closer to video rather than the static screen I've used for 12 years now. I also just kind of got to thinking how word-of-mouth has always been the best marketing for me, so why spend money of any kind on ads? Just put the show more places and jazz up the presentation and let the show sell itself because it does! It can

1:26:13 The only issue is getting people used to or liking a presentation of the first hour that doesn't convert if they become a Plus member. If a person listens in podcast apps or on the website in their mobile browser, then switching to Plus is no sweat because you can just plug Plus into almost any app but if someone is stuck on listening through Spotify or YouTube or BitChute or hypothetically Twitch If they find THC that way, then they have to change how they listen and people don't like to do that usually. But this is all just shop talk and the kind of things I'm thinking about going into a new year And I guess I'm telling you because I don't really have a team for this kind of strategy session but anyway Chris did spend some extra time with me! I think we got an extra 15 minutes in there but who doesn't like a long one to kick off the new year?

1:27:09 In the second hour for plus people we talked about the Zelensky goes to Washington solstice ritual. A little bit more about Woke, the suicide cult masked as a murder cult I like that because it is all about character assassination and career destruction you know it's a form of murder so to speak but then really It eats itself and it is kind of a suicide call i just thought that was a good phraseology we also talked about ron de santis in the national security state. I looked more into this just to get the facts right cuz we were kinda going off the top of our heads he is a harvard yale law guy just like all the rest of them,

1:27:52 And he did provide the legal cover and legal loopholes for torture at Guantanamo Bay. So yeah, I love Ron DeSantis on the COVID issue but let's not get carried away with the guy We also talked about Enoch, The Watchers and The Hollow Earth, the curious nature of hollow earth literature... I brought up this Captain Antarctica guy and some other Antarctic strangeness We talked about Vril and the Council of Nine, as well as MKUltra 3.0 Lots of Holoworld stuff! And I love that Chris is diving deep into that material on his Patreon again right up my alley If you like what i do get plus and stop missing half the show It's very easy to make the switch Plus is compatible with most podcasting apps we have at least two or three good options no matter what type of phone you have

1:28:45 And if you've never listened to an episode on thehighersidechats.com, I'm telling ya! I pimped it out to be as functional as any app Big forward and back buttons You can change the speed Anything you can do with audio in one of those apps you can do on our website Old shows are broken up into categories like a Netflix or Hulu display That's good for free OR plus shows It doesn't matter If you are on the plus side, then you have a pretty active comment section where... A lot of people do get to talk about what they liked and disliked. Add more context and just it becomes more of a community thing You get a little more life out of each episode But y'know when it comes to the on-air content I try to keep things pretty lean. I don't waste your time with ads. I don't ask you to buy various unrelated products to support me

1:29:38 I only ask that you dive into more of the content you're already here for. I think it's the best deal in podcasting and i'm proud that I've kept things the way they are, and I've never expanded to some big team of 10 or 15 like some of those shows out there have done... And thanks for sticking with me! Another big investment I did make for any of the audio nerds out there is, I spent four figures on the latest iZotope 10 Advanced Package during the holiday sale. I still need to master using it! In fact if anyone out there is proficient with it and wants to hop on a Zoom call with me and help me dial in correctly that'd be great but either way I think our guests are going to have better audio this year

1:30:25 I already try to keep it towards the top, but this new set of tools I have includes features like Dialog, Isolate and there are some other plugins that will be great for our situation. Some are hit or miss and I can't get them to work exactly as advertised but its all about knowing how to use the tools And I've been staying up late after getting the kid to bed To go through all the tutorials and trying to make sure we do it right It's very hard to have consistently good quality when you're doing remote interviews. So much is left up to chance, but I take the extra money I have and try to reinvest it in keeping THC in the upper third."

1:31:09 2022 was about the website and making it as good as it could be, and a failed venture into marketing and ads. But 2023 is going to be getting the latest tools to keep audio quality high and this new template for video platforms to try to capture some new eyes But without going back into shop talk, if anyone is really proficient with iZotope specifically and wants to help fast track me or if you're a musician who wants to cover the intro song with the same lyrics in your own style let me have it. Get at me! I will give you credit for your version of the song in the wrap-up and in the show notes but I don't really want to shoehorn that into the intro because I like to just get right in there ya know?

1:31:56 But I suppose all this is just to say that i hope you guys appreciate that. I'm still hungry! I still try to make things better and serve you the best interviews I can for a wide variety of weird stuff there are several comedy podcasts that I like, that have recently had their audiences sort of turn on them for getting lazy...for phoning it in.. For making bad changes that everyone hates and for flexing their wealth too much Not gonna name names, but those should be some pretty easy clues if you're into those shows at all. But seeing that stuff helps me keep my eyes on the road So cheers to a new year and big thanks to Chris as always If you like what he does He crushes it on his Patreon so much content Let his obsession Be your benefit That's it for me I love you guys! I'm so lucky You let me do this for a living

1:32:55 I will never cave to ads and sponsors no matter how many times i'm asked, but please give PLUS a shot. 7-day free trial to get you started and you will enjoy the full conversations...how could ya not? Good luck to everybody on the year ahead in finding ways to enjoy it despite the system's best efforts! I've done my part Your move Watcher Cult Faithfuls Ritual Event Coordinators & Managers of The Global Motion Picture Stage Show You're fucking... From space it was falling, its light started calling It's making crop circles again Just as I was looking up it showed me all the hidden stuff And now I'm all enlightened and zen Nothing masses is hard Silver ship circ- Now I'm not asleep Don't obey the elite Gotta be to the left

1:33:58 Now I start to wonder, now we're not the sheep that they bred us to be. Got a beam to the head! Now we start to wonder, now we start to wonder... You have corruption and crime since the visitors set me straight. I encouraged you to go when you see the saucers glow up away The masses is hard Silver ships yard

1:34:43 Now we're not asleep, don't open up Got a beam to the head We start to wonder No, we're not the sheep then Now we start to wonder Now we start to wonder Now we start to wonder Now we start to wonder You'll see these things Up in the sky Just as The system starts To die All's fading In extra belly rain It's time we

1:35:43 Cause we're not the sheep that they must to be To the Now, We Start To Wonder Now were not asleep cause we got THC And now we start to wonder Now we start to wonder Now we start to wonder Now we start to wonder Now we start to wonder Now we start to wonder again you