Cathy O’Brien | MK Ultra Mind Control, Mark Phillips, & The Slave Society Agenda

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01:37 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. You're from 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire! For a new era of worldly frustration we offer a fresh conversation. I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chats Back in the saddle and ready to ride from sunny San Diego, I'm Greg Carlwood. And if you haven't been paying attention let me tell ya... Beneath the thin veneer of bright lights happy pop music and the uniform streets of strip mall America The world can be a dark place often run by nefarious forces who secure their power through a rigged economy blackmail operations black market trafficking and a cutthroat domination that doesn't typically make it into the sanitized storylines of the nightly news

02:34 And the general public's engineered ignorance and compliance are no accidents either. Call it mind control, brainwashing or mass form psychosis but the arconic architects of this system have been studying the mind for decades and weaponizing pretty much everything they've learned along the way sometimes on unsuspecting individuals who conveniently slip through the cracks and also on a mass scale through corporate media childhood education and the eradication of anything but the pre-approved state sponsored truth Well, today's guest Kathy O'Brien unfortunately knows these things all too intimately on both the personal and public fronts. If you're unfamiliar with her I would be surprised as she has got to be the most well-known survivor of MKUltra mind control there is!

03:18 As her story goes, Kathy was born into a multi-generational incest abusive family. Her father with a fourth grade education was a worm digger for local fishermen all while producing child pornography of Kathy and her siblings He was allegedly caught sending the porn through the US Mail when Kathy was about five years old at which time a faction of the CIA made a deal with her father to sell her into the CIA's mind control project Project Monarch in exchange for immunity from prosecution and he immediately became the vice president of a newly formed private corporation dedicated as military industrial supplier. Kathy was traumatized in many systematic ways and trafficked at White House Pentagon level, as what's known as a presidential model Her sworn testimonies of abuse and torture by her father and the CIA were proven and tested through US courts and presented to both houses of Congress and UN

04:14 only to be stopped and stonewalled under the U.S National Security Act She's told her stories and relayed her insights in several books entitled Transformation of America, True Life Story of a Mind Control Slave Access Denied for Reasons of National Security Documented Journey from CIA Mind Control Slave to US Government Whistleblower And most recently PTSD Time To Heal You can buy them all directly from her as well as read her ongoing blog at trance-formation.com and let it be known that she's also the subject of a very well made new documentary called Trance, Mind Control Human Slavery and Healing A Nation that you can now find at trance dot movie dedicated to exposing and closing America's child trafficking chapters surviving and thriving the transformation truth teller Kathy O'Brien welcome to The Higher Side

05:06 Wow, thank you for that introduction and for all the wonderful information you shared so eloquently there. This is a wonderful opportunity to reach our listeners with pertinent truth and I really appreciate it because it's people like you who are making all the difference in the world right now by bringing truth to light that would otherwise be censored. Well, I try! You know? I am but a humble podcaster but it is a true honor you can really imagine the horrors that you've experienced and to be as dedicated as u r to the cause means you never fully get to put it behind you which no that's a sacrifice in its own right. But if we can make any sort of impact making people little less ignorant about dark things really get i mean thats a beautiful thing right,

05:58 It is. Yeah, if I can turn the negative of my past into a positive that empowers others especially through these times when the whole world has been subjected to MKUltra mind control then that is its own form of justice because really to me since justice has been stopped for reasons in national security and the courts The ultimate justice is positive change through public awareness. And right now, the public is becoming aware they're seeing what's been going on really my whole life happening now right in front of their eyes and when they realize that what might may be new to them isn't new at all it's been around forever. It's been around ever since Project Paperclip when the Nazi and Fascist scientists were brought into the US and under cover

06:53 the 1947 National Security Act. This has been going on a long time, mind control picked up where Adolf Hitler left off and now it's advanced tremendously with technology but nevertheless the basis of mind control is trauma that's important for us to know and it's crucial that we all know that knowledge is our defense against it That's why so much censorship is going on they don't want we the people to catch on to what's really going on in the world. Well said, and I know you've been telling your story for decades now so i try to give The Cliff Notes for context up front

07:35 But you were born into a multi-generational incest abusive family, you were subject of Project Monarch and trafficked through your grandfather's Masonic Blue Lodge and government circles. And just that right there is a lot but can you tell the people a bit more about what it entailed to be abused under the Project Monarch banner? Right on up this role as a presidential model trafficked at White House Pentagon level as you say Yes, Monarch is a multi-generational abuse based mind control project under MKUltra because it was found through the Hitler Himmler research that children who are sexually abused especially prior to age 5

08:23 their brains will respond to the trauma and develop what's known as dissociative identity disorder. It's where the conscious mind takes flight, and the subconscious is wide open to being easily led." And at that point with suggestibility so heightened it was found that after three generations of this kind of pedophilic abuse prior to age five The children are born more compliant and suggestible. That's just part of our genetic makeup so the genetic studies that were being done on the effects of pedophilia on children

09:01 was brought over to the US through Project Paperclip. And the Nazi and fascist scientists shared that information with the CIA, which had just formed in 1947-2 when the National Security Act was formed to keep all of this secret. So while the New World Order was being transferred over to the U.S., it was kept under cover of national security. And that's just something we need to be aware of, that they need secrecy in order prevail because again knowledge is our defense against mind control. When we understand our own mind brain function it becomes easy to see why the pedophile agenda is being pushed so hard right now in society, why its being sanctioned in the courts to the point where we even have a supreme court justice appointed by

09:57 a so-called president that stole elections 2020, that is a pedophile. How convenient when you consider what his son's laptop has revealed in the human trafficking operations that reopened as quickly as elections were stolen in 2020. The borders were flung back open to human trafficking and child sex trafficking, because those are the primary funding mechanisms of this New World Order global slave society agenda. They know that people wouldn't

10:34 Allow for this to go on. They know that people would rise up against it, which is why mind control is used for ushering it in they need us to comply they need people to be frightened and they need them to do as their toll Well, by conditioning people to do as they're told and then promoting the pedophile agenda to the extent that they have. They are moving towards a future generation of third generation of a very compliant society it's time we wake up now understand the effects of trauma on the human mind

11:14 understand what Project Monarch was all about and why multi-generational incest based children like myself were targeted for the project. It's imperative that we understand that aspect of information now so that we can stop their efforts from succeeding they have suppressed this information from mental health It's been suppressed from society, it's been suppressed from education and it's been done very deliberately all under the blanket of so-called national security in order to keep people in the dark. So that we

11:56 stay so busy working our nine to fives and our five to nines that we're not paying attention to what's going on around us. Truth needs to prevail, and it's definitely time for this information to come out Since I was exposed to Project Monarch, I have great insight into it from my own personal experience as well as being able to understand fully the effects of it on society today. So I have a lot of knowledge and it certainly is my defense against mind control. My life's experience armed me with that knowledge

12:38 When mind control masked as a virus was unleashed on the global population, everyone got an experience with trauma-based mind control and fearfully hiding behind their masks and sheltering at home. You know while the new world order so called global reset took control and now that people are waking up to that and wanting answers it's imperative that they have knowledge on mind control so that will be our defense against it going forward. This is evolutionary times that we are living, its amazing we're born into this time you know what an opportunity for us all to be part of humanities evolution and being able to preserve the sanctity of free thought going forward by understanding what mind control entails

13:35 Wow, yes. Certainly a lot there but I wanted to ask you more about The mainstreaming of mk ultra specially over the last couple years as you said. Mind control masked as a virus and mask is interesting term because yes we were all wearing them, add i guess i wanted to ask what elements of mind control what components of the program of the steps along the way to really manipulate in a person did uc rolled out in the whole virus operation

14:11 The fear, first of all because people were told that they were going to die. That all of a sudden what the common cold used to be was renamed and the media, the controlled media when we follow the money on the media which goes through the same handful of perpetrators, the same handful that are hell-bent on implementing what Adolf Hitler George Bush and Joe Biden termed the New World Order. It's a slave society agenda, and the media is very much

14:48 their voice and very much controlled. When we follow the money, we're going to see it goes to the same people including pharmaceutical companies and the money behind them so it's just a small handful but when knowledge is manipulated, it leaves people in the dark and superstition begins where knowledge leads off and panic really kicks in and so people became very fearful here as the basis of mind control because when we're fearful it's like our conscious mind freezes in fright and leaves the subconscious open to being manipulated and led through NLP Neuro linguistic program. We all need to arm ourselves with that knowledge on what the language of a subconscious is Because this subconscious has no ability to question or two reason

15:44 the information that it takes in, it just takes it on a very literal form. So when Mind Control masks as a virus was unleashed on the population as soon as they told us to mask up I knew what was coming MKUltra mind control uses masks to depersonalize the victims It causes a depersonalization because there's no micro muscle movements that are seen. We can't tell if someone is smiling or sneering, everyone looks alike behind the mask and that's needed for depersonalization. More importantly it muffles voices and makes people feel like they can't talk to each other. They needed to stop us from talking to each other because they wanted to control full narrative everything that was going in our ears through their controlled media

16:38 So they stopped us from talking with each other through wearing a mask and muffling our voices. Add to that, that we were told repeatedly... And again repetition is a form of mind control especially when someone's already traumatized and their suggestibility has heightened constant repetition drives the point in And we were told to mask up, stay six feet away from each other. Little lines were drawn on the supermarket floors just to make sure we knew what six feet apart was and this constant bombardment of six feet away to the subconscious mind in NLP

17:23 equates to six feet under. So it was six feet away or six feet under, do or die? We had to stay away from each other that muffled our voices even more because we certainly couldn't hear each other from six feet away while wearing the mask. More importantly even than that is the reality that masks inhibit oxygen to the brain necessary for critical analysis free thought Again, they wanted people compliant. So to mask up inhibited oxygen necessary for our maintaining free thought so the mask is multi-purposed many things that these perpetrators do it's why they use it in MKUltra Mind Control my own daughter was trafficked in a mask It's just a part of what they used. So as soon as I saw that heard

18:19 Heard the repetition programming coming through the media of six feet away or six feet under to mascot, get me injection. I knew that the new world order was trying to make up for time that they lost in 2016 when Hillary Clinton was supposed to have ushered in the new world order. This is, in my testimony, Transformation of America that was released in 1995. That's a long time ago and it detailed the plan for who was going to be in the presidency for ushering in this new world order

19:00 It was to go back and forth between the Bush-Clinton dynasties, which it did right up until Hillary lost in 2016. But it was when people became disillusioned with Republicans leading them into the New World Order that a Clinton as a Democrat would be put in and then when they became disillusioned with Democrats putting them into the New World Order than it'd go back to a Bush That was the plan that was structured, and it was going to be put in through rigged electronic voting machines. Rigged elections you know so This was something that when they lost control over their plan in 2016, they went full bore. Tipped their hands showed everybody who was aware of MKUltra Mind Control exactly what it is that they are doing In my testimony Transformation Of America 2 I also talk about the plan for mass genocide

20:00 and to stop the human reproduction through vaccines. We need to be aware this is nothing new, Big Pharma followed the money same handful of criminals same ones ushering in this new world order agenda people like George Bush had his hands in big pharma It just keeps coming back around to the same people, same agenda, same point and saying MKUltra methodisms that were used on me. We're now being used on the global population to keep them in fear sheltering at home listening to controlled media manipulate their minds with more fear and a narrative that

20:48 On what medicines they could take, what big pharma was going to let them have. And ultimately that was to be a vaccine so we listened to the media tell us that our cities being burnt down through absolute total chaos and violence was peaceful protests That's another way of manipulating the mind. It's called satanic reversals, it's why occultism is such a powerful traumatic basis for mind control and for manipulation of the minds of masses and why Satanism is prevailing to the extent that it is right now. It's because it is a minds control operation very much apart of MKUltra Mind Control

21:37 So I saw that being implemented as well. Some many aspects of mind control, but there's a few to get started with. Yes that is a great summary fear NLP information control then we got the food deprivation sleep deprivation people are overworked people are worried about the supply chain the repetition of how they should be worried about it Financial control depersonalization yes all these things and it's good to go over them is now we're hearing about smallpox in a dozen or so spread out cases of monkey pox so, be aware that there might be a sequel in the cards but you mentioned occultism and i wanted to ask you a little more about that because in terms of your story seems like

22:23 Well in the history of mind control they basically weaponized all their gained knowledge of the mind and then mixed it with something other ritual nature i think blood trauma rituals is a term i've heard you use i'm just curious. Did some of this go beyond the science of the mind and seem to, almost be a spiritual thing to them at times or do you think that's all just kind of for theatrics? Or is there something almost religious about this type of activity. Oh really well asked I love the way you ask that because

23:01 Spiritually, they aren't like us. They don't have that same kind of energy from having been deep in the swamp with these perpetrators and being up close to them and haven't been exposed to them. They don't have the same kind of energy that people do They don't have that strength of the human spirit. They don't have the power of love, instead they feed off negativity. They feed off fear and hatred. That's why they socially engineer us into division and to snap judgment on each other All the hate that they've been trying to roll out because that really is their energy. That's what they feed off of, that's what they're wanting to perpetuate and satanism definitely is a source Of that kind of negative energy that they literally feed on So that's why satanism is used in my case when my father sold me into

24:04 MKUltra mind control. He had been approached by a local politician, Gerald Ford who went on to become the unelected president of the United States. He headed the Warren Commission that supposedly investigated the Kennedy assassination, which really he just covered up because that is when the New World Order took a giant grip on the nation. And as Gerald Ford's political career escalated so too did my victimization. So that's how I ended up being among them in Washington DC working on a White House Pentagon level being used as the so-called presidential model MKUltra robotic mind control slave. What brought me to that point though is that once my father sold me into MKUltra Mind Control, he was immediately flown to Boston Massachusetts where he was trained by cardinal law this is the same cardinal law of the infamous Catholic child abuse scandal

25:08 that was actually promoted to the Vatican once he was exposed in the whole pedophile operations that were being sanctioned within the Catholic Church. But my father was trained by cardinal law how to raise me in MKUltra Mind Control, how to manipulate my subconscious mind using satanic reversals and NLP, a language of the subconscious As she mentioned, my father only had a sixth grade education and earned his living as a worm digger but he could certainly grasp. the concept of NLP when it was taught to him in just a matter of weeks in Boston, Massachusetts. So this is something that's inexcusable that this information has been kept from society because we all need to know exactly what it is. We're going to find out that it is also political rhetoric. It's used in cult and occult religions and it's something that we all have a right to know and a need to know

26:09 It's true and you mentioned cardinal law cardinal bernard law i think is his name yes and his name also comes up in a recent blog that she wrote title disney underground. It wasn't even until recently that i knew disney had its own independent borders and jurisdiction basically which is odd, just to read from the blog in the connection here you write. Why was disney ever granted tax breaks and self governance free of law akin to the vatican in the first place? What other similarities do Disney and the Vatican share in addition to infamous underground systems, self-sanctioned abuse of children and ties to a New World Order agenda? The infamous Catholic child abuse scandal proving systematic abuse and cover up of pedophilia resulted in its leader Cardinal Bernard Law being promoted to the Vatican. My personal experience with Disney occurred in Florida

27:07 As it has for many MKUltra mind control victims, have you ever asked yourself why high-profile MKUltra mind control entertainers like Michael Jackson were taken to Disney World when they had a mental breakdown? Disney includes a sophisticated mind control reprogramming epicenter in its underworld. Wow, I mean that says a lot right there but can you talk to us a little bit more about your personal experience with Disney and what you seem to know is there beneath the surface? Well that is one thing that I was exposed too.

27:43 throughout my mind control victimization, Disney was used because it always subliminally promotes pedophilia which was again a tie into the Catholic Church. They also used traumatic situations and images that were always very difficult in that they had like Pinocchio the little puppet boy and aspects like that Most importantly, they have a very significant NASA DARPA connected underground of mind control programming epicenter. Mind control is used on and by the US military. There's a military base at Disney.

28:32 for the purposes of mind control. You mentioned Michael Jackson, who was of the same MKUltra Project monarch that I was during the same years that I was and it's interesting to note that he wore a mask. Yes, he did! So that's something to look at but these Disney stars that come out of there like Britney Spears, something we all need to look at. Everybody's screaming MKUltra regarding her and I think it's something we all need to continue to question and look at wherever Disney is. MKUltra mind control has its attachments. I was certainly tortured in program there with sophisticated DARPA technology machinery

29:19 and the trauma that is also used there. Also, the confusion of fantasy and reality as I said the subconscious mind does not operate on the same level that the conscious mind does our conscious mind has ability to reason in question and critically analyze our subconscious doesn't it's just information in so The Disney themes are easily used because it confuses fantasy with reality. And it's another reason why Disney is used and I'm so thrilled to see that Governor DeSantis has stood up against them, taken away their self-governing status because they need to be held accountable. So many survivors of MKUltra Mind Control who have been exposed to the programming at Disney

30:13 have tried to give voice to it. Many are silenced, a lot of people have been silenced permanently Disney has been able to keep the information quiet for a long time their censorship abilities have been extreme because they are not bound by law and because of their own self-governance and their tax breaks and because their point is to feed and fuel the pedophile agenda which is such an integral part of the new world order slave society agenda. So that's how Disney is involved and it's something that I wish everybody would research further because the more you look, the more you see. It's even in Trance.movie. It's detailed in there how Disney was affiliated with Project Paperclip, Warner Von Braun

31:08 What does NASA have to do with an amusement park for children, something we all need to look into and find the answers to why that was established right from the get go. Born in 1957 and sold into the project in the early 60s, Disney was very much a part of my MK Ultra victimization. And so too was the Catholic Church. As soon as my father got back from Boston he started subjecting me to occult rituals within the Catholic church because they knew

31:48 It's like a reversal of the Catholic mass is what Satanism is. So it is used as a trauma base right within the Catholic Church itself, many Catholic churches are complicit because they thought they would become the one world church in new world order which is why they had their self-governance and pedophile agenda go unchecked for so many, many decades. It's time we wake up to that and realize the close association with the Satanism that is prevailing as ties right in with the Catholic Church and other religions but primarily that is where it was heavily rooted

32:31 Yes, yes. Wow wild information and it's tough to really know what to do with any of it It feels like we've been under attack with everything slowly eroding for a long time Yet no one I really know in my personal life is super aware of it or even wants to talk about it It's all just mimosa brunches and weekend golf And sure I like those things too but are we just never gonna address the walls closing in on all of us? It's frustrating sometimes, but you really tied a lot in right there. Disney NASA DARPA and the Vatican it is a big sick soup of paperclip partners still operating today And I also agree with the move for DeSantis to go after this autonomous zone that Disney has The coverage of it has been fun to watch because clearly the media talking heads are all in the pocket for Disney

33:24 Talk about how terrible this is and very biased coverage nobody even addresses why a corporation. Have any kind should have its own jurisdiction like that but i also wanted to touch on that confusing fantasy and reality component, because a lot of people talk about yes the subliminal sexual messaging in a lot of disney films and merchandise it is there But also there seems to be an overlap between certain films like Alice in Wonderland, Wizard of Oz. You mentioned Pinocchio but also even Catcher in the Rye for some reason it's almost like some fiction can be used as a template for programming and I wonder why that is? Were these stories designed with programming in mind or did they just turn out to be convenient tools for programmers What more can you say about that strange overlap

34:16 Well, you see when you look into the history on The Wizard of Oz it was very closely paralleled with Walt Disney. And it was almost a Disney show but the finances went in a little bit different direction so it wasn't as affiliated with them as it was but other than that yes Disney has been a mind control operation from the get-go and its history was rooted in Nazi Germany. So we need to consider that, we need to keep this project paperclip in mind and research it further because it is a common thread weaving through. And as we see these common threads, we start seeing it's just a small handful. It's like the proverbial wizard behind the curtain and The Wizard of Oz pulling the levers making it look like he's some big great big presence when in fact there was this little guy back then. That's what they are. They're just a small handful of pedophile perpetrators held

35:19 hell-bent on manipulating our minds. It's inexcusable that we allow them to do it, they're just creating illusions that there are more of them than there are because they have been slowly taking over for a long long time for generations and planting their seeds and taking over the media to make it look like They're the big and powerful power over us all, and they are not. It's inexcusable. They're an illusion. And once we bring their dark agenda to the light of day, we will realize that and realize that we are by far the majority. And it's inexcusable that we allow it to go on any further."

36:08 By creeping this information in on society and pushing that pedophile agenda so suddenly all these years now, we go right back to that multi-generational project monarch three generations where after three generations of repeated information that information becomes autogenic. It's why people are so slow to wake up and realize what Disney is all about. And then they've got the controlled media, which follow the money it goes right into the hands of the same people in Disney. It's the same strings. Disney's power over our media is just extreme when we look into that and realize that they're trying to keep us

36:59 In the dark as to what's really going on because they're scared of the light today. They're scared that people are gonna think free haven't been around these perpetrators I know their greatest fear is the strength of the human spirit and the power of love Because once we realize what they're doing, well I'll take a stand against it. And we don't have to do anything violent about it! We just simply need to stop complying with their agenda and think free and protect our children live the love we are all of a sudden they're not getting any more fear out of us they're not getting anymore snap judgment hatred vibe from us It's all love

37:42 and they have no energy to feed off anymore. So that's where we win, and where they lose it kind of does come right back down and right around too a spiritual evolution and a spiritual time that were all here to remember our life's purpose and start living that love Dare to face the truth and bring that truth from light where it can be dealt with. And when we can reclaim sovereignty within ourselves, our nation in a world. Yes I agree and that was very well said you make it seem so easy yet we have a lot of education to spread still because it's just sad how many people aren't seeing that even though it seems pretty obvious to a lot of the rest of us

38:32 I want to ask you more about your personal story cuz you were rescued by mark phillips, who has also been your co author on the first two books and partner through a lot of this journey have been a whistle blower mark sadly passed away in two thousand seventeen. But talk to us about his background is vast knowledge on these subjects and some other things he taught you about how the mind can be manipulated Well, Mark was working in the highest levels of intelligence mind sciences. He was a spook which meant he wore many hats whether it would be CIA FBI secret service whatever he needed to be is where he was in order to work on the level that he did mine sciences. He was studying how to preserve the sanctity of free thought that was his passion and life that was his whole motivation

39:28 And as he was studying mind sciences in the psychological warfare division of the War College, Michael Aquino is also studying psychological warfare. How to manipulate the minds and the masses using Satanism? Michael Aquino has a founder, The Occult Templar Set that's proliferating on our military bases He was involved in the Presidio daycare scandal and skated on it because the military has their own cover up, and national security was invoked on it. He was part of the Marin County Day Care Scandal because he was on the Marin County board where the infiltration has been extensive through so-called child protective services as something that

40:17 we all need to be aware of. But Mark was seeing where the information that he was working on to free a mind, the information where it would help people like spies who had been caught by the other side and tortured how they could heal and get back out in the field again immediately reclaim their freethought heal from the trauma that they experienced this information on mind brain function This simple information on how to heal and reclaim free thought after extreme trauma was being suppressed under national security so that it could be used against the population through agendas like Michael Aquino's Satanism.

41:00 Mark was so appalled to see that pedophilia was being sanctioned, not only being sanctioned and promoted but was being allowed in and out of the White House. He saw how pedophilia was being used to compromise judges and politicians in blackmail operations He saw that child sex trafficking was a primary funding mechanism of this globalist agenda, slave society agenda. He saw the erosion of our constitutional values of freedom and justice for all and the slow infiltration into various aspects of government so that this new world order would slip in

41:47 He saw where mind control of the masses was the plan because people would not tolerate this slave society agenda. They wouldn't cooperate with it if they could think free, so all this information was being suppressed and Mark was outraged at the human trafficking and drug ops that were pouring across the border He wasn't the only one. There are many people in intelligence and law enforcement who are outraged at this globalist agenda that's being forced and imposed on us all, so he decided to do something about it and he rescued my daughter and me right out of the Washington DC swamp of human trafficking operations right out from under their noses

42:39 He intercepted me. I was to be killed, I was turning 30. They figured any sex slave at that point, MKUltra Mind Control Sex Slave who usually disposed of at age 30 they were killed. They were usually sacrificed at Bohemian Grove and that was to be my fate for what i knew about the groundwork of NAFTA the criminal operations that I was forced to participate in At age 30, there's electrochemical changes that happen in the brain. And as these electrochemical changes happen sometimes the traumatic compartmentalized memory of MKUltra Mind Control starts to leak out a little bit. The compartmentalization of memory is pertinent information that we need to understand too because it's our brains automatic

43:33 response to trauma too horrible to comprehend. And this compartmentalization is like what I experienced when my father was sexually abusing me as an infant, it's not that I could think to know what he was doing was wrong but my brain knew it was wrong so my brain would shut down the neuron pathways around that event so the rest of my mind could function and develop normally And this kind of compartmentalization is what creates that dissociative identity disorder. It's what creates heightened suggestibility, it's what inhibits our free thought because when we shut down neuron pathways in the brain were being dumbed down

44:20 And by the time we turn age 30, there's another amazing mechanism within our brain that kicks in where the electrochemical changes in our brain start to allow for an opening of neuron pathways and the brain that have been shut down. So as those neuron pathways open then memory starts to leak out. We mentioned you and I both had mentioned There's a reprogramming epicenter in the underworld of Disney World where certain stars are taken when they have mental breakdown. That's usually around age 30, when you think about it. You know? When you look at the Britney Spears and what happened to her around that age, when we look up Michael Jackson, what happened to him around that age when they're flown into Disney World and everything... It's because they've reprogrammed them at that time because of that natural electrochemical change that happens in our brain

45:16 Some people can relate to that just in their own life's experience where they may have endured abuse as a child that they forgot about until about age 30 when those memories start to leak in. So I was turning 30 and I was considered too old to be used sexually, they were afraid that some secrets may come out and I was to be killed. And that is where Mark Phillips intercepted me and took my daughter and I to the safety and serenity of Alaska where he handed me keys to my own mind. Mark didn't deprogramme, he taught me to deprogram myself so that i could heal from within by healing from within it allowed for me

46:07 be strong and actually open the neuron pathways in my brain, and have access to my own mind again rather than being reprogrammed from somebody manipulating my mind from the outside like they had for the first 30 years of their life. So what Mark did is he handed me the keys to my own mind that he learned on The Highest Levels Of Mind Sciences that they teach spies when they need to reclaim their free thought And he told me the pen is mightier than the sword to write out my memory. And because it was starting to flash, just like my brain knew to shut down the neuron pathways because of a trauma that I was experiencing in this pain and suffocation of my father's sexual abuse

46:57 My brain also knew that I was safe with Mark for the first time. So that added to those neuron pathways opening up and memory starting to leak out and flash on my mind screen, I was getting flashes of my past intruding on my present and Mark told me just to make note of what I was seeing and write it out so i started writing out memory what that does is take the logic part of the brain to move a pen. So it was taking the repressed memory that was shut down and compartmentalized over here, shifting it over to the logic part of the brain to be written out on paper then visually consciously seeing in front of me written out so that allows for healing on many levels all at once. That's the psychiatric level where the neuron pathways of the brain actually open up

47:53 the psychological level and it's allowing for the conscious comprehension of what had happened. As quickly as I was writing out my memory of what had happened during my MKUltra mind control victimization on a White House Pentagon level, It was validated by other concerned members of law enforcement, other concerned members of the intelligence community including Secret Service who certainly saw what was going on in and out of the White House. Through U.S. customs, border guards have always seen what's going on first because of human and drug trafficking coming across our borders

48:38 and that it's a funding mechanism for this global slave society agenda. So, it was being validated by US customs. well documented in Trance.movie as well, how William Von Raab head of US Customs was so outraged by the national security being invoked on all the criminal operations that he kept trying to bust. So he was aware of what had happened to me. He was aware of my victimization and able to confirm much of it

49:15 As I was writing up memory, as it was being confirmed we were getting it compiled for my testimony for Congress. That validated testimony is in my book Transformation of America. It's secured on my website and can be purchased there. Transformation of America is my testimony that was censored under the 1947 National Security Act So that is validated by law enforcement, national security is invoked on it. And I still encourage everyone please research further research every single word in it never just believe somebody always research further because the more you research the more you know the more you see that it's inexcusable that we allow this same handful of perpetrators to

50:17 Metal with our brilliant minds any further this new world order agenda. We'll only go in if we allow it to be just simply need to stop complying with that and the way we stopped complying with it is through. awareness. Truth makes us free, knowledge is our defense against mind control and the knowledge is out there we just need to know to ask the questions and start researching and seeking those answers for ourselves

50:53 yes yes cheers to all that both transformation and access denied are great books and the film is really great too you do talk about, the thirty year old point where the neural pathways seem to. change and any kind of programming seems to unravel britney spears amanda bynes might be a candidate for that, i have a visual of katie perry collapsing just in the middle of the concert very strange man carried off. And that seems to jive with her age as well And great point about writing. It does seem to be important and that's probably why they have kids just typing away on the computer now, why activate the logic part of the brain in the classroom? Exactly!

51:42 On the subject of Mark's knowledge of mind science, he also taught you a bit about what can be done on a technical basis using frequency and EMF-based technologies and the sort of things that might be used in mass now or in the future. Well, yes we have a defense against the technological aspects as well. And it's important to understand how harmonics affect our brain and how harmonics are used to manipulate our minds. We have to be aware of the lyrics that we choose for example when we listen to music

52:22 because that's having a powerful subconscious effect, especially when we listen to a song over and over. We need to make sure that they are empowering and positive lyrics because harmonics are used to program and or trigger the population very important to know. A good example of how harmonics affect our brain would be when people hear maybe a song, when they first fell in love. That's their love song and when they listen to it again it takes them back to that beautiful moment and that's the way that harmonics affect our neuron pathways where the memory of that particular event is stored can actually be vibrated by the harmonics. That's a real mild version

53:14 how that works, but it's imperative that we all pay attention to what goes into our minds. Especially understand NLP and harmonics together make a very powerful form and the repetition which will hear in advertisements they repeated over and over and then we go into the store and buy that particular product just on impulse. That is what were feeding our bodies with if you look at ingredients They're probably altered by the pharmaceutical companies like so much is that we purchase. We need to start paying attention by arming ourselves with a knowledge on how we're being manipulated, so that we stop ourselves from reaching for that product think twice and start

54:03 feeding our bodies and our brains with the nutrition that it's actually needing, and stop putting in things like artificial sweeteners which are pharmaceutically manufactured to dumb us down and to stop our critical analysis-free thought. When we start realizing how we've been manipulated on so many levels, we'll be able to safeguard ourselves against it when we walk into the grocery stores realize that harmonics are carrying that information into our head to social distance mask up you know get the injection whatever it is. It comes through there too so when we understand how everything is frequency and our brains vibrate on a frequency, that frequency

54:52 invaded deliberately for putting messages in. So this is something we need to safeguard ourselves against and something that I was aware of in my deprogramming process, so I would shut off TV, I would shut off music. I didn't have a cell phone so you know that wasn't really so much in my way but those are the kind of things we need to keep away from us as we pick up a pen and write out memory, and start healing. We need to shut off that noise with in our children's education and put writing by hand back into the school system so it allows for critical analysis free thought get them away from those computers and the harmonics that can come through them very important information all of which is detailed in PTSD time to heal

55:49 He could not release because he was bound by laws of sedition. because he had gleaned them from the highest levels of mind sciences that was being suppressed from mental health education and society under the guise in national security. So, we couldn't release a simple information on mind-brain function like how our brains respond to trauma with heightened suggestibility and how important it is for us to pick up a pen and start writing right out our fears right out our trauma and then always add a solution. Mark taught me voice no negatives without a solution that stopped me from just complaining about my past and forced my brain to fire in new directions in terms of solutions, and that also helped lift me out of that

56:42 negativity that is so immobilizing and to bring me back to the present and back to An area of solutions and possibilities And that's something That I would encourage everyone as they write out their fears in their traumas always add a solution through it So that you're able to move forward in light of positive possibility these methods in PTSD time to heal Mark couldn't release them, but I could because it was my experience to heal with these methods So we released it in PTSD time to heal. It's written from my perspective But it is not about me. It's about you as about each and every one of us so that You can understand your own mind brain function

57:37 protect your brain from intrusion, and to be able to maintain free thought. Reclaim free thought expand your thinking beyond controlled media and then maintain that free thought going forward when I saw mind control masks as a virus being imposed on humanity on a global scale for ushering in the new world order as planned I posted it in ebook form on my website trans-formation.com that's t r a n c e hyphen formation dot com it's posted there with a pay what you can if you can option so that the information is secured but everyone can have it now regardless

58:22 regardless of income. So you can zero out that total if you need to and just get that information so that you can apply it to yourself, it's so easy to self-apply and then it opens our eyes to understanding how so much of the nonsense and violence we're seeing in society is mind control and then will be able empower others, especially our children to maintain and reclaim free thought as well through the methods that are in PTSD Time To Heal. Yes really great points and that latest book seems very important The Process of Healing it seems like we all could benefit from it And just the way you offer it in that pay what you can way is very gracious and I hope people will check that out Well

59:17 Kathy o'brien this is such a milestone for me i followed your work for probably a full decade now at least but you been through, level of pain and abuse nobody should ever have to endure but they certainly mess with the wrong woman because nobody is as effective at exposing the start list of you have been so thank you for your service humanity and your courage. The books are Transformation, Access Denied and PTSD Time to Heal. The documentary is found at trance.movie Anything more to tell the audience about supporting your work or links that you'd like to give them?

59:56 Yes, I'm always posting on my website trance-formation.com t r a n c hyphen formation dot com ptsd time to heal is posted there again with the pay what you can if you can option so everybody can have the information now regardless of income financial controls and other aspect of mind control And the censorship that is out there we need to realize that truth is being diluted and diverted, we need to reclaim that truth. My testimony in Transformation of America has been posted all over the internet on free ebooks as pirated copies where the information is altered to support a new world order agenda. So make sure you go right to the source for truth and then research it further my truth is secured on transformation.com and I encourage everyone to start embracing that truth

1:00:57 research further and learn to discern because we're all going to need it as we take back our lives and start living the love that we are. Right on! Well, it has been an honor to spend some time with you and I wish you all the best going forward. As you say knowledge is our best defense against mind control and I appreciate you giving us a healthy dose of it keep fighting the good fight Thank you so much. I appreciate you, you amplify my voice and i really appreciate that makes all the difference in the world All right finally after many years a legend in this space Kathy O'Brien Honestly can't imagine how she does it after the wild ride she's had and recently losing her rock in the world

1:01:47 She's a really strong person and the detailed books she has written about all of it are also just quite good. Her story is the one that really almost broke things wide open, I mean her testimony did get pretty far before it was shut down And it is her story and her insights into the sick carnival that is the political elite social circles that I really wanted to emphasize. Although she's told the tale many, many times at this point but then I also saw that she wrote this recent piece on Disney and I thought well there it is now we have a good set of threads to talk about

1:02:25 But as someone who has been through all these trauma-based programs and has had to do the hard work of unpacking it all, transcending it and writing about it I think her take on the pandemic protocols has merit. We're not talking about what a virus is and that kind of stuff But what did governments take the opportunity to implement? How was people's mental health affected? How closely does all this resemble a mainstreaming of a long-running and well developed set of protocols for traumatizing and mentally scrambling individuals. Pretty damn close, apparently! A part of me wishes that we would have gotten this interview in the early days of THC so it wouldn't have had to hit these COVID points that are triggering for some and fatiguing others

1:03:11 But if the simple question is, do I want to get the opportunity to interview one of the most vocal and historically significant victims of this type of abuse? Yes or no. Of course I do! So I hope it's well appreciated and that the majority of the audience feels like I do about all that Clearly a lot of folks are feeling the effects of heightened stress, irritability, fatigue, compliance obsession etc. And I feel like my wrap-ups have turned into me trying to justify interviews and putting on the kid gloves to tamper down all the volatile parts and we've been a show for

1:03:51 12 years now that assumes these big everyone on board mainstream mononarratives are lies and then we try to look at different alternative takes and find the threads of truth. But these mono narratives I guess are much more aggressive than they used to be or much more convincing, And even people who tell me they've been members for years are struggling to listen to anything that isn't pro-Ukraine Or anything that suggests the vaccines aren't saving lives and it's kind of like, look guys this is what we've always done. You're okay with looking at alternative takes to 9-11 but not COVID? It is what it is I guess! I just am going to keep trying to stay the course and not get swallowed up in the chaos. I get it though...it's a lot and it's kinda hard for me to never really take a break or if I do take a break I have to double work in the weeks before and after to meet my commitments

1:04:49 So we drift in and out of the heavy stuff. Sometimes for my own mental health, sometimes because there's nothing more to be said about a certain subject even though it is still in our faces every day but some people only want to hear about the serious and heavy stuff and other people never do so I wonder if by trying to cover this spread I end up not making anybody all that happy Well, whatever. I do my best work when I pretend that I have no audience and just go with what I find interesting and cross my fingers that people who are like me will come along for the ride so enough with the Greg Carlwood therapy session! I hope you appreciated this one and everything Kathy has gone through it really makes me wonder how many people are caught doing really dark and sick things instead of prosecuting them they just get brought into the system

1:05:42 Putting her father in a prominent position at a newly formed military contractor company is also an interesting detail. And it relates to the mass shooting thing because how often does a three-letter agency find some troubled teen and then egg them on to do something terrible, and give them access to weapons and body armor they'd never have access to on their own? But yes, I get to cross off a major name on my big dream guest list today. Obviously the free shows are just lengthy previews of the full interviews that Plus members get If you value what i do there's no need to support some unrelated sponsor or donate out of the goodness of your heart You just sign up for Plus and you get twice as much show

1:06:29 I think it's the best monetization format in podcasting, even though a lot of my colleagues still double dip with memberships and ads. Dicey dicey! So help me help you become a Plus member and all your wildest dreams will come true. Besides we have that seven day free trial so you can test the waters and find out for yourself In this Plus Show we talked about Kathy's daughter Kelly story, child protective services and programmed respiratory failure in some of these victims. We talked about body part trafficking and adrenalized blood mind control in professional sports the depth of the cloning program and alien agenda and the microcosm of Haiti prototype for the New World Order control system

1:07:18 So episode after episode bringing you a Pandora's box of counterculture content and I hope you do decide that it is worth your 8 bucks. And moving over to the calendar at highersidemeetups.com May was a good month we had 12 different events all around the country but it doesn't seem like people are making any new events All I have to mention is June 1st, The Seattle Inquisition at The Central Cafe in Seattle Washington So, I don't know. Summer is coming! Let's get out and make some things happen! THC fan frisbee golf? Brews? Potlucks at the park?? It seems like people tend to have a really good time when these things do pop off so i hope to see more things pop up on the calendar

1:08:05 We have too many listeners to only have one event set up for next month. So hop on in there, shake things up and expand your network! Not a lot of things are as easy free and potentially fulfilling as making a THC meet-up but until next time that's the show big thanks to Kathy I know it got pretty dark today but this is the reality of The Dark Underbelly of The Big Machine and her life story Check out all of her work at trance-formation.com or watch the film about her life at trance.movie

1:08:42 The things she's been through would have definitely broken this simple stoner podcast host, so kudos to her. I appreciate Kathy greatly and you too dear listeners take care of yourself it's getting hard out there i've done my part your move MKUltra handlers blackmail operation operatives and mind control mainstreamers your fucking move You know the plan has always been to hack your brain MKUltra's trying to drive you insane. They'll explode your heart if they think that's what it takes You think I'm answering the phone, well I ain't You gotta keep the curtains drawn cause you don't want anyone thinking you're at home Well you're not! You should tape the mail slide

1:09:34 And baby if I seem withdrawn Let me say it's cause' I just don't wanna go and get whacked Maybe you should know that The trauma affects you like it does everyone It's just the game plan, it's what the world has become They want a pat down and a swap Don't you see what's going on? Well now you know You're better keeping on your own Cause you can see Masters lie too much Oh baby, you can only trust yourself And if you think the system's out of touch It is and you can only trust yourself I hope you know The elite aren't your friends They'll suck out everything from you in the end If for some reason You think I might be wrong

1:10:36 I wonder where you got that opinion from You gotta keep the curtains drawn Cause you don't want anyone thinking your at home Well, your not. You should tape the mail slot And baby if i seem withdrawn Let me say it's cause I just dont wanna go and get whacked Maybe you should know that The trauma affects you like it does everyone It's just a game plan, it's what the world's become They want a pat down and a swap Don't you see what's going on? Well now you know You're better keeping on your own Cause' you can see Masters lie too much Oh baby, you can only trust yourself

1:11:29 And if you think the system's out of touch It is and you can only trust yourself You might think that these problems are small Or maybe they aren't registering at all Now they know you're naive and vulnerable You won't believe all of the stunts that they'll pull Cause you can see, The masters lie too much Oh baby, you can only trust yourself

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