Bruce Fenton | Hybrid Humans, Entity Involvement, & Alien A.I.

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00:54 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. From 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration we offer a fresh conversation. I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chats Hey all you cool cats and kittens doing the thing from sunny San Diego, I'm Greg Carlwood. And while our system still sticks to an outdated model of linear progress forever...I can't help but think that everything we do has been done before! Today gene editing and CRISPR technology are all the rage while others make a pretty good case for this very type of technology creating the human race itself, citing several artifacts still observable in our genetic code

01:51 And the ones and zeros of our digital technology, while far less sophisticated than DNA get more complex all the time and still speak to an internal drive to build and create even if we can't match the complexity or artistry of our ancient engineers. Our collective unconscious, cultural and spiritual histories are full of catastrophe sagas and stories of widespread natural devastation. But instead of taking that seriously and bracing for these realities the masses are left in the dark while the billionaire class plans their lofty exit strategy But maybe it's all part of the game. Perhaps a combination of internal curiosity and the pressures of knowing about catastrophic cycles drives any form of halfway intelligent conscious life to want to spread its own influence out into the cosmos not unlike the drive of all plants and animals to spread their own seed Are we just in the midst of some weird manifestation of our procreation drive? A drive similar to what caused someone out there to create us

02:50 And how different could it all be if we weren't led by the psychopathic puppet masters of the power pyramid and the cold-hearted billionaire class? Well, these are kind of thoughts that fuel the mind engine of today's returning guest Bruce Fenton. He is a dedicated scholar of anomalous phenomena genetic engineering directed panspermia and all sorts of interesting stuff in The Pandora Box of Life He and his wife Daniela have been dedicated to this quest for knowledge and have written great books along the way like The Forgotten Exodus, The Indiafrica Theory of Human Evolution. Hybrid Humans, Scientific Evidence for Our 800,000 Year Old Alien Legacy And Exogenesis Hybrid Humans A Scientific History of Extraterrestrial Genetic Manipulation

03:34 It's been about a year and it's a pleasure to have him back, the enthusiastic exogenesis advocate human origin explorer and anomaly investigator Bruce. Welcome back to The Higher Side! Thank you so much Greg and that was awesome intro appreciate it yeah covered a lot of my favorite topics there It's a lot to try to squeeze into a couple of minutes but man it is great to talk you again we had a lot of fun last time especially in that second hour where he had some pretty epic ranting about bloodlines the powers that be keeping the masses ignorant etc. And it's interesting to see how a lot of the agendas of today are circling around the same themes of your work when you're looking into the ancient past. Space probes, genetic tinkering, nanoparticles, viruses and all that sort of stuff

04:24 But to kick this off a major theme of your book and our last conversation was the physical and genetic evidence that both dovetail to signal a major event happening around seven hundred eighty thousand years ago. The physical evidence being this anomalous tech type material scattered across Australia what you consider to be debris of an ancient alien craft, Something probably intentionally exploded in the air to speed up Earth life evolution. You said there was an update on this project? Well, it's been a year since we talked remind the people about what you think happened there and why this material is so weird and Update us on the latest info that suggests you might be right

05:10 Absolutely, yeah. I've been pressing on with the research and what actually decided to do was to write a more academic style paper now i don't like to capitulate to the people that say that you have to have a peer-reviewed paper to have any value in your work because that's a common kind of reply if you say you have anything extraordinary like evidence of aliens or UFO data or anything like that The common response is it in a peer reviewed paper I don't believe that only peer-reviewed papers matter. There's a long time in scientific research where the peer review didn't even exist, but all the same i decided that i would pen a sort of scientific paper that pulled all the different areas of important supporting evidence together into one place

05:58 primarily because I knew that would be helpful to journalists or interested writers or media people that might want to talk to me about it. So, it kind of saves me explaining in micro detail again and again individually what the best evidence is but that had quite beneficial effect for me To do that, of course I had to trawl through the scientific literature on the australite tektite topic. It allowed me to go through a wealth of papers and then each really offered me some key insight that perhaps i hadn't seen before when I initially began this project and used more of a cursory look through the supporting evidence. This was much more in-depth and now have what I consider

06:45 99% case closed scientific argument for this being material from a craft. Now I'll wind it back up a little bit, so for people that aren't familiar the suggestion i have is that there's direct evidence of alien visitation 780 000ish years ago in fact because of the papers I've looked at, i would now revise that to 788 000 years ago and I know that sometimes people think how can you be so precise but this debris is pretty well dated and that's been an update in the dating mechanism since we now know it's 788 000 years old give or take a little. What we have there is material that is in itself anomalous quite anomalous both in chemistry

07:33 The way it's formed and also its distribution. So there is a 160 year long mystery that surrounds australite tektite glasses, so anyone can go away and look in the search engine for the Australite Mystery and they can confirm what I'm saying is accurate the first technical paper written about this material was actually penned by Charles Darwin, no less. Which I found somewhat ironic because of course i tie this in with the origins of humans so it's kind of funny to find that the first guy that wrote about australite tektites is you know darwin the guy who gave the modern world

08:13 consensus view on human origins, right? So he thought that this tektite glass had been produced in a volcanic event sometime in the distant past and that kind of kicked off the global conversation around this strange blackish-brown kind of translucent glass material that's found distributed all the way from South China down through Southeast Asia, Australasia and finishes its kind of debris field in Antarctica. Now that's an enormous area covering over 10 000 kilometers going out to the sides as far as Madagascar and out beyond Papua New Guinea into the ocean so you can conceptualize that but of course that's an enormous debris field this mysterious glass

09:02 So there's been all kinds of theories, you know since Darwin wrote that first article that whether or not it could have been perhaps a mysterious glass process used by aboriginal people that had been forgotten about, some lost civilization or that it was indeed you know super volcano would spread this material. And then for quite a while back in the 50s 60s 70s there were number of NASA astronomers and engineers who believed very strongly that this was extraterrestrial and had come from an event on the moon that there'd been an impact of a large asteroid and it happened to hit

09:38 an area with extinct or live volcanoes and that the glass was a kind of volcanic glass that had been formed in calderas on the moon, then dislodged by an asteroid impact sent out across to earth and it then either showered down or a chunk had entered into orbit and sort of crumbled, and then melted in orbit. And so you'd have this melted debris rain down across this vast stretch of land, and that it was in fact lunar material. So again people can kind of go check all that there's quite a lot of papers particularly NASA papers on that now that argument went on up until

10:20 Well, really it started to crumble after the moon landings and the recovery of lunar rock because what they found was that the chemical makeup of australite tektite glass is inconsistent with lunar rock. And so there was this kind of basically a kind of capitulation by the NASA guys where they said well okay you know certainly most of them said okay you know it can't be a lunar glass but the opposing theory of an asteroid impact on Earth was problematic and they kind of said, well look you know we may well be wrong but you guys have still got a lot anomalies to explain here that your impact theory doesn't do. And kinda passed the ball to them Now today if anyone looks for what is the formation theory behind Australite Tektite They will find articles saying it's from a terrestrial impact That's currently the popular consensus view in the scientific community

11:15 But that doesn't mean it's right. The way I describe this, if you imagine you've got these two competing theories... You've got these NASA guys saying that it has to come from space and there are a lot of reasons for that which we can touch on in a bit but they're saying it has to come in from space and then you've got on the other side geologists and other people who are saying no-no we think its terrestrial impact of an asteroid throwing this material up into the atmosphere and being distributed either side of it has problems. There's a reason why you've got these arguments, because neither of them has the kind of killer blow to say we've got all of the anomalies resolved and we know its this one so instead they were going at this for years now The defeat of the extraterrestrial hypothesis was almost like because fighting

11:59 chemical makeup of Lunar Rock is inconsistent. It's almost like a boxing match where one guy has a heart attack halfway through the fight and you say, well the other one... they're the winner! And it's like well they won without knocking them out. They've won by just an an act of God, if you like. There was a bit of bad luck that's happened now are they really the champion? Now we probably would be dubious about that because you think well that's not really a knockout blow right so that's the situation it was left with. We have this default hypothesis right so they didn't actually explain the phenomena. They didn't resolve the anomalies. They won the argument by default

12:37 and it turns out that their hypothesis is full of holes. That gives people a bit of background to the story of Australite Tektites, who's been involved in it and why its still a mystery. So you had told me that this research and these themes also relate to Bracewell probes, alien AI super intelligence and UFOs. Let's get into that a bit how are these things connected? We did talk about this a bit last time but in terms of the updates or being more confident or dialing it in a little deeper into that specific date what can you say

13:19 Yeah, absolutely. There's a good reason why I come to the conclusion that we're dealing with some kind of artificial intelligence like a large artificially intelligent craft or probe or structure how people want to frame that and the reason for that is because we know that this object has to have broken apart in orbit And the reason for that is because when we look at what's called the australite tektite buttons, and these literally look kind of like buttons or the front to the bullet in front of a nose cone. They've got that kind of distinctive shaping for aerodynamics right? That's formed by spherical glass pieces coming in at shallow angles basically decaying orbital paths

14:00 and coming in bouncing along the top of the atmosphere, and then gradually entering and heating slowly melting up front. The material runs to the back you get these distinctive button shapes again people can find images on Wikipedia stuff like this see what I mean? And they know that NASA guys worked out quite quickly that these had been formed by those aerodynamic forces right So some strange object is in orbit, it's broken up. Now the additional part of that is that the material is around 75% silica and silica is not found at that kind of levels in natural objects in space like comets asteroids but the highest that's found is about 60 percent ever been found in an asteroid and they think this is from melted quartz

14:45 and quartz doesn't form on asteroids or comets at all, it forms on planetary surfaces. So this is quite extraordinary so it means that the parent body is essentially this vast object you know capable of producing a debris field that stretches from China to Antarctica so this vast object and that it's made primarily of silica, around 75% of it. And then 10% aluminum you know other metals a whole list of other materials but the primary is silicon why is that important? It's because we know that if you look at the cutting edge thinking on what extraterrestrial intelligences would be like or their probes craft etc

15:24 It's theorized that what we'll probably encounter is kind of super artificial intelligence. It's like large structures that are made of silica, they're basically mobile silica networks in which would house an artificial intelligence and there's a really good paper by a lady named Susan Schneider she's kind of a cutting-edge thinker on alien super intelligences particularly there's an article called alien minds that I would recommend to people and she goes into says you know because silica you can actually have faster processing speeds than the brain because it'll be faster particularly if you have a large silica object. And these could be planet-sized, she kind of deals with that so you know we could be dealing with planetary sized living crafts if you like that travel around the universe

16:10 these would be almost godlike in their intelligence. It'd be incomprehensible if you imagine a little brain packed into a skull, that's our limitation but if you can have essentially a silica brain the size of the moon or something it's going to be godlike in its processing abilities and its thinking so Now we're talking about an object that's made of precisely the kind of materials we expect, all one of these large artificial intelligences. That has somehow ended up in orbit around our planet again which is indication of something extraordinary because Earth does not normally capture large objects it captures very small bus-sized chunks of rock

16:53 It's quite unlike Jupiter and Saturn which can capture comets. But Earth doesn't do that, there is no record of a large object being caught so this would be in itself extraordinary if we were to capture a very large multi-kilometre diameter object But on top of that, this object itself is anomalous in its composition with primarily silica beyond natural levels and possibly being made of quartz which again doesn't form on asteroids at all. So we have something that is absolutely hand in glove meshing with the expectations of what's known as these kind of bracewell probes and alien super intelligences that have been theorised on the cutting edge of space science for a number of years now. And in fact, I think in the last year or so it has

17:39 coming out in the news more and more that they really don't expect us to encounter biological aliens at all. That, you know, all of the kind of academics involved are expecting us to have an encounter with something like a Bracewell probe which is not a living probe, an AI housing probe that could arrive here monitor the planet say could arrive millions years ago and sit either on the planetary surface or in orbit for nearby asteroid and just monitor any world that looks like it may potentially produce life or already has life and can sit there and observe, record transmit that information back to its home planet. And even more interestingly if the civilization forms on a world the Bracewell probe could potentially be given instructions to make contact

18:28 with that civilization. You know, maybe something like radio waves are produced and that flips a switch in the probe to make an open contact. And they even say that one of the things it might be able to do is replayed to us an entire history of our world. Wow! That's quite interesting when we you know as you know from my work that's precisely what I suggest has happened. So its hand-in-glove to what were told by the academics this is extraordinary part Yes, absolutely. So this tektite material the composition defies anything we know on earth it clearly rained down from the sky based on where it's found and it matches a level jump in human evolution right at that time depth so

19:10 It seems that it was intentional i mean that's the hypothesis now what you just said about, activating when maybe radio waves go out or some type of intelligent technology coming from the earth is detected we do have artifacts as we talked about last time that. Their stories around them opening up and people touching them and then they're just like hit with a download of the human history but we also have just to talk about it from a different angle corporations who. Have said things that sound like there really,

19:46 walk in the line between saying that they got this information from somewhere else for their technology you know they're making millions of dollars off cutting edge stuff in the fields of medicine or any kind of technological realm and then especially in technology there using terms like alter alien god summoning for things like d wave technology and it really makes you think maybe some privileged few did make contact with something or got insights from somewhere else and that's the basis for their technology which they're making massive profits on and it just hidden away down in that corporate basement and they're never gonna really let the golden goose out so to speak.

20:30 Oh absolutely and if anyone's familiar with the book American Cosmic by Diana Plussuka, I know that she talks about her conversations with one of these you know very powerful figures a guy that she refers to as Tyler but it was his pseudonym. But you know he has told her that they are in contact with an intelligence so there's even a room i think one of the NASA facilities or something where they said, you know if you're near it you can feel the presence of this intelligence and that he was given information on how to design various medical aids that he sold and have made him millions and millions of dollars. So exactly as you're saying there but this is probably happening I imagine far more often than anyone else would think. You know certainly most people think it never happens but even for those of us who suspect such things it probably has become something of a standard that a lot of these technologies

21:19 being floated by the Silicon Valley kind of tech bureaus, that yeah it may well be that some number of them are being at least influenced by an intelligence that's not of human origins. And there was a lot of talk about Amuamua when it came through do you think that was something similar to a Bracewell probe? Is there any reason to suggest it was more than just a rock floating by what do you think Yeah, I found the Umumua story quite interesting. In fact just recently we've seen you know Professor Avi Loeb, the guy that's really kind of been talking about it you know on radio shows everywhere and has written about him being on TV talking about... he has kind of said that it may even be that it was cruising by to pick up information from some other probes or something that's here on our planet already or is in communication with something here

22:14 maybe relating to the UFO phenomena or something like that. And yes, I mean there are reasons to think it could be something technological and he considered it a pancake-shaped object that was spinning end over end It passes between... you can sort of see the plane of our solar system. It kind of passes through that plane which is where all planets line up but also happens to be at a point in between orbits of Mars and Earth Now, if you were targeting our solar system from somewhere else and you wanted to take some kind of sensory data of the habitable zone... I mean Mars and Earth

22:54 directly in that habitable zone, right? And we know if the Earth's habitable and we suspect that Mars may have life and certainly probably did have life because it was an Earth-like planet. So again that is suspicious in itself but out of this vast space of our solar system this thing happens to pass you know through orbits at the two most likely inhabited planets also it had a signature suggested it was somewhat metallic it was very reflective in terms of the light spectrum And again, that spinning end over end. I had some suspicions that perhaps it may even been releasing something along the lines of small genetic seeds to

23:36 So this is kind of sounds a bit strange but, a few years ago there was a team that recovered a small metal sphere from the upper atmosphere that was leaking genetic goo when it hit their detector. And they thought this could actually be seeds from you know an alien world yeah yeah this is incredible! They suspected that could be a pan-spermia seed, you know artificial seed sent from another solar system and people again, you can look that up. Look for metal sphere leaking goo detected and they'll find that there's some really good images of it closer pictures yeah this stuff is extraordinary and that team they suspect it may be to do with panspermia

24:15 they're associated with Professor Wickram Singer, who's really the don on panspermia. It wasn't him that founded it but he is an associate of that team and he believes that we probably have had multiple panspermia events particularly viruses retroviruses raining down on us but also potentially deliberate seeding and its even suggested that Octopus may be an alien organism somehow brought here, frozen or something. So there's a really strange... I think it doesn't necessarily always filter through to the global society but some of these scientists are really saying well look there is more and more indications that we are in a greater ecosystem that stretches beyond our solar system with life moving between in the forms of

25:03 some of its simple life, you know retroviruses and bacteria but also perhaps more complex life in some deliberate technological seeding. You know so it's extraordinary but the evidence is there and that sphere is remarkable and the fact that you're leaking this what looks like organic goo they describe as I love it provocative stuff And I do often wonder about us taking things for granted that are actually clues to something bigger. The Amazon is a big one, apparently it was engineered and shepherded in the ancient world and that just blows my mind because its not just a big patch of dense forest its different than anything on the planet! The diversity of plants and birds and animals

25:47 It is just insane. It's like Avatar land and maybe something like your exploding crystalline ship hypothesis happened in the Amazon too! Well, I think we can't limit these kinds of ideas because if we have one incidence of a non-human intelligence interacting with this planet then it opens up the door for a lot of other possibilities and support for a lot of existing mythology and cultural stories around the world about contact events teachers that teach us about farming, you know for example obviously I think the Amazon is an example of a type of farming and we're finding that throughout jungles of the world in many of them there are a lot of plants have been deliberately seeded. And those areas are actually farmed in some way they're not just wild jungle

26:35 and we see that in more conventional farming, of course in the Near East and stuff that emerges about 12 000 years ago. But it may well be that you know this idea has been taught farming stretches back to those origins of seeding areas of jungle that you know we can't really put limits anymore particularly if we say there is evidence of interaction 788 000 years ago but that really changes the entire story arc of Homo sapiens right? Because we then cannot assume that there's any point from then until now where other intelligences are not either involved or at least monitoring us. So you know I think it was Charles Ford who kind of famously said that earth is a farm, you know i think it does appear like that if we were seeded by perhaps one of these DNA seeds, you know these metal seeds coming down and starting life on this planet, then it would potentially mean that this planet has always been

27:27 monitored, interacted with from the moment it was a magma kind of rocky formation up until now. And that meshes with a lot of the strangeness in you know the records both fossil records and historical record or history mythology that you start to see actually that fits quite well with things like the Cambrian explosion where we have this mysterious increase in life across the planet which is showing in the fossil record Wicombsinger points out that would mesh quite well with new information coming into the system. You know, this is going back hundreds of millions years ago...new information coming in probably from something like an alien retrovirus raining down and infecting life okay? And that would have been crucial to all these new organisms appearing so then you get to think

28:19 Is that an accidental event or is somebody farming this plant? You know saying okay now we're going to modify these life forms, we engineer a retrovirus put it into the upper atmosphere. It rains down infects existing organisms gives them new information so then new life forms emerge very quickly in the fossil record not through slow random mutations you know just very suddenly and that kind of thing happens at other points. We also see some quite strange changes in, well particularly in the hominin line. So I think that there's definitely evidence that you know there's interactions that may change life but yeah they could be informing us and things like farming and other things that we're doing you know cultural changes behavioral changes those could be nudged along by intelligences so yeah I tend to think that those mythologies about teachers may well be supported by the evidence

29:14 Yes man and not to take this too weird of a place but i have a lot of guests who talk about secret interactions and relationships with entities covert wars in heaven between positive and negative forces, add the question always comes up what if there are good. Intelligence is out there why don't they help us and honestly maybe they do maybe this disk of goo is a technology they put up their to facilitate consciousness upgrade and. You know you gotta ask it because its curious timing with everything that's going on with the,

29:54 The pandemic and the shot and it seems to spike protein it's very much about like altering human genetics at seams with the shedding in all that stuff and maybe, the powers that be found this disc a goo study it or like we gotta stop this we can't have all these people evolving were gonna lose our grip of power so they quickly get the shot out to everybody I you know i'm inclined to that kind dot connecting but curious timing. I didn't even know about them finding this thing but you know the plan definitely seemed like something they had in the cards but

30:32 when it was time to come out, it came out and it seemed a little rushed. Yeah I agree with you and there's some reason to suspect that there may be more to this you know Sars-CoV2 origins that's a bit more cosmic. Again referring to Professor Vikram Singha who is very well published academic as they say the father of panspermia really Back in, I think it was late 2019. He said that he thought we might see a pandemic breakout because there'd been...I think it was some meteorites had come down over East Asia and he felt they might be bringing in some of these microbes and then you know within a few months we told him this is pandemic and he pointed out some of the strange aspects like breaking out in areas where it didn't seem like it could have spread to yet but he said if it's raining down then like it could appear anywhere

31:23 and if it's in our upper atmosphere raining down. So he actually has argued that the SARS-CoV2 virus may be from up there, right? And that's kind of interesting because if you then take that to another level and say well okay there's been a lot of talk about is it a modified virus, was it modified in the lab or something but let's say that instead of it being modified in a lab in China which I think actually probably isn't true. The fact that the media is trying to suggest that's the case and we've seen how they've lied and backflipped that really makes me think that it was not from either the wet market or from the lab in China. a third story, that's the one they're not talking about is more likely. Now one of those would be the potential that this is actually modified by the extraterrestrials if they have again gone for another on these upgrades where they use a retrovirus so they take a coronavirus maybe from a bat or whatever and then make it few subtle changes to it we wouldn't understand what they were for you have no idea right

32:21 but they make some subtle changes to it. And then they release it back into the population by raining it down on us now, one of the things that's interesting about the cycle too again is that they've said that some elements seem to be persisting and remaining in our genome. Again, that's what changed us you know, in the past we know that we got a lot of ancient retrovirus DNA in us, a lot of it. So that has played a big role in creating humans and that's a fact. It's called horizontal gene transfer. We have genes from insects and fungi but we have quite a lot of material there from retroviruses

32:58 Now let's say that this virus is doing something to us, something that we may not even know about for a lifetime or 1000 years. Because if you're playing a game that is millions of years long and you see it from big picture then It may not even be that we would see the changes in humans from those infections in our lifetimes, right? It could be something that changes our path of evolution is in there. Now one thing's particularly interesting about it if you look at the way this virus is... When you get a new flu virus those typically kill a lot of young people, right? We get a new strain of influenza kills a lot of young people This new strain of coronavirus has basically killed almost no young people. Yeah Right

33:43 it's really arguable whether any have died except for some there was extraordinarily sick children have died where you'd say did they die of it or did they die with their existing, you know this is severe conditions. Now other than that he's been really old people now if you were modifying a species like who do you really care about staying alive and surviving any negative effects? Well the young people because you're getting at them they're the next generation that's going to breed and have offspring, you're not particularly caring about... I'm not saying it in a mean way but if you're doing an experiment then you won't be focused too much on what happens to 80 year olds or 90 year olds because they are not really relevant to diverting the course of species evolution.

34:26 And so I found that quite funny the way that it seems to be that there is literally no impact on the health of young people. So whatever its doing when it infects them, you know, doesn't have any obvious negative effects on them generally So, this would fit with the profile of a modification to the direction of Homo sapiens. Yeah! And obviously we're just speculating but we know enough to know there's a game behind the games so you have to wonder about these things maybe this thing Comes into existence comes in to our are purview and the elite stepping to say break it up stay inside separate yourself be afraid of that because you know what did the elite want they don't want anything. That could possibly upgrade us anyway even though that is constantly part of the conversation and the alternative space with the benevolent ets that,

35:20 they're getting us ready for a consciousness upgrade ask the shamans in the amazon, what time period this is and they'll talk about the time period of an upgrade coming with a great family in the sky and all kinds of stuff and the elite say hey you know avoid that but get this shot that we developed and it's like well no them by their fruits i mean maybe i don't trust uh, i dont wanna get some virus I dont know but i definitely know i dont want to get a shot developed by companies with the track records these companies have Absolutely not. I mean, absolutely not and you can sort of see they also these what i call the predatory parasitical world controllers...I mean they also are about upgrades as we know but their version of an upgraded course is trying to genetically modify

36:13 human fetus, they believe they can give higher intelligence and superpowers using the kind of technologies that are developed at the moment. And also with embedded technologies you know so there is the transhumanism that they believe that they can create this new human which they talk about in the World Economic Forum's introduction video. They're very open about this. You won't know where technology ends and biology begins with this fourth industrial revolution where modernize humans to what they feel that we should be, this kind of strange genetically modified cybernetically enhanced and probably drug-addled lots of injections of various compounds that would make this new human. So you can almost see that there's these different narratives here of their version of the upgrade, there's probably an alien version of the upgrade which might well be changing us at a DNA level with retroviruses

37:08 But then also just this rising of consciousness, which I might even see as a kind of middle way that there's an internal evolution that has to occur. Which doesn't require anything added really it just requires us to go within and recognize what we are who we are our potential and also to refocus the world and realize the theater stage that is ahead us in the theater that has been going on and start to understand where we actually are as a species and then change course ourselves, which doesn't again require any new technology or any DNA upgrade. We should be able to do that simply by coming back into an awakening where we awake to what's very obvious in front of us right? Where you have to be asleep in some sense to not see the world that we are living in with the predatory parasitic world controllers directing us into total madness with all these wars

38:07 forced poverty and climate change shenanigans. We know that it only takes you to really raise a little bit in consciousness to see that this is a show, no complete show being put on to befuddle our brains Right right it's an interesting train of thought and i'll definitely take the unknown over the capstone cabal's quote-unquote help any day especially when they have these lotteries, free hamburgers in beer to come get your shot seems like they really care about health with a free hamburger and three bear you know glad mcdonalds is on board with getting out. Human health back on track and we were talking before we start recording you mentioned that

38:49 Some of these COVID events are reflected in Hopi prophecy and that's a pretty intriguing thread. What's the deal there? Yeah, absolutely. I mean i found this quite astonishing for many years you know particularly in the ancient mysteries kind of world the fringes of alternative research there's been debates over are we approaching this moment of fulfillment of the Hopi prophecies and amongst their many prophecies there is this idea that they would come a time when was it a palace or structure would house when the heavens would fall which is often interpreted as different space stations that have fallen i mean somewhat recently we had the chinese one the heavenly palace

39:34 and then there was another part of it which is that the Hopi would stop their ceremonies, their dance. And like that never happened right so there's been lots of times people said there's a blue star or the other one was a blue star in the sky and people have said this object seemed like a blue star you know this string may have been in and then this space station but the one thing that never really happened was the Hopi stopping at ceremonies but my understanding is because of the pandemic everyone's had to stop everything right? So they couldn't...they wouldn't be be able to meet, to do the ceremonies and the dance. So that was a key part of the fulfillment of the Hovi prophecies with stopping the ceremonies right? Wow! so that was quite extraordinary and then we're told there is this split

40:12 which begins to occur and there will be two-hearted people and the one hearted people, and they start to diverge away from each other. And essentially the one hearted people are those who start to feel drawn to go back to nature of land and farming. I'm sure that you've heard lots of people saying that during the pandemic or lockdowns that they felt like going out and wanting to be back in nature. People talk about buying land and going into farms and farming their gardens. On the other side of it, there'll be the two hearted people who will follow the forked tongue world controllers, and will follow them down this other path which I would say is the technocracy. This increasing technology and moving away from nature essentially commodifying nature attacking it and that they are going to follow those forked-tongue people down a separate path And that path ends with what i was suggesting some kind of horrific events and it fades away

41:05 and that's the end of the two-hearted people in their path. And so basically there is only a continuation of one hearted people, and there is a whole string of other descriptions what will happen you'll have people basically going mad, so that people would be going mad and you will see things that have not been seen at any age they will be return of beings that have come in the past different aliens spirit beings and they'll be walking among us children are born that are ancients that come back But particularly this thing of seeing people go mad, you know if you look at what's happening at the moment. I haven't got a better description than that people have become deranged i mean you know i'm seeing widespread deranging of people and

41:47 obvious madness. I mean we have here a mental health crisis, even without any kind of conspiracy theory or judgments on people you know it's recognized we now have an absolute mental health crisis which is our systems are overwhelmed because so many people being driven mad by the news and stuff in the last year that they don't know how they're going to recover these people So all of these predictions, these descriptions are extraordinarily accurate to what the Hopi have told us would happen and that then following that there will eventually be a kind of arrival of well it's really two brothers that come from afar which I think are comets. And we had a couple of interesting comets in the last year as well particularly just a few months ago there was a pair of comets you know that were visual in the skies at different points but quite close together and then we're told that they'll be another

42:35 messenger that comes from afar and I believe that's kind of supposed to be the last herald of this change. And then in one day there'll be the red dawn, and when the red dawn comes everything is basically kind of reset kind of like a great cleansing, the Red Dawn. And that is in that timeline of events so we seem to be in this strange timeline of events and they said symbols will be shown in the land ie like crop circles but you'll see it in the grain says in grains there'll be communications in the grain there's all sorts of strange stuff So I mean it's quite amazing and he says yeah also in all life forms and suggested the way it reads as in DNA that there'll be some kind of message or changes in DNA

43:17 yeah it's absolutely mind-bending so I suggest anyone who is interested in that to look up those you know, look up the Hobie prophecies and the Red Dawn and the other aspects of it. I'm convinced we're in it! I see this split this absolute split...I feel that when I deal with people now some of them are in a separate reality to me you know? We might be walking on the same road but we are living in two different worlds i totally agree and on the subject of artificial alien engineering or artifacts in technology have some higher being that we maybe see but just don't recognize as separate from our natural system probably because were used to it what about the moon there's people who have said the moon has some qualities that defy everything we know about satellites

44:07 and it's a compelling prospect that it is a remnant of some previous age or some kind of monitoring station and that kinda thing. What are your thoughts about the moon in the prospect that maybe isn't just some natural rock that was captured by our orbit? Yeah, the moon is extraordinary I mean there has been a number books over years about this you know one of the claims is basically most parsimonious explanation for the moon is its observational error because it shouldn't really be that. It's too big, It just happens that it passes the sun in such a way we get these perfect eclipses. We happen to live in this moment when you know, it just perfectly fits to block out the sun which is extraordinary and then you know it turns out its kind of hollow when it was hit by a probe it reverberated so there's obviously a hollow aspect to it There are some anomalies on the side of the moon recently I read a paper saying that it looks kinda like an entranceway into a tunnel This is from a serious

45:08 scientific kind of study. They said that they were scanning using AI and there's some anomalies there, like a tunnel entrance. Obviously there have been other anomalies over the years but I found that was quite interesting but there definitely seems to be a range of anomalies about the moon. And in fact, again just the astonishing size of it in comparison with how it ended up there because there's been obviously the whack theory and double whack theory you know none of these really end up explaining what we find or the composition at the moon that yes there is concordance in some aspects between earth and the moon in terms of chemistry but in others there isn't and this is why we have this

45:46 seemingly never-ending series of hypotheses for how the Moon formed, because none of them have really explained it as yet. I personally do think that we may be looking at evidence throughout our solar system of something like a type 3 or type 4 civilization which may have cobbled together the whole arrangement of planets and moons and then that seems just ridiculous but we do sort of understand there's a level of technology that we can theoretically reach the Kardashev scale with type 3, type 4 civilizations where you could potentially move your planet around or maybe even move your sun. There might be levels beyond that where you might be able to create suns right because we can't really limit what can be done say with a billion year long civilization development right? These technologies would be magical so could a civilization

46:41 decide to roll out an experiment where they literally build their own solar system, right? Out of say a dust cloud and they build their own solar system using technologies that we can not even comprehend yet. And ignite a sun you know put the planets where they want them stick a giant moon next to one... You know it seems to people so mind-bending because obviously we're nowhere near that But we have to be careful of not limiting advanced extraterrestrial intelligences simply because we can't do something ourselves. I mean, that's what we've done with the idea of space travel. You know that well how would they get here in their rocket ships? Well they wouldn't would they you know they wouldn't come in a rocket ship. If dealing with a civilization that is even a million years ahead of us then we can't really compare the time scales for us to travel the galaxy

47:29 with those species because we don't know what kind of technology they have. Yes, they might have wormhole travel and they might have technologies that allow whole planets to rove across the solar system. That's where I think we need to be very mindful not use the anthropocentric view on aliens, which I find is all too common. You know also not only in the public but in academia where they say well you know how would they get here and all this stuff? Well we don't necessarily know but we shouldn't then say they couldn't of. Right right and more and more people are taking a deeper look at the alien motif and connecting it to old fairy lore or looking at the prospect of angels because angels as depicted in the original text are way different than just guys with wings and halos. And it all kind of speaks to possibly the same kind of being but definitely something interacting with humanity over time I kind of like the idea that

48:31 Angels are basically the same as aliens and the vatican probably knows a lot more about that what is the vatican have such an advanced observatory why they so preoccupied with things coming in from the cosmos i definitely seem to have their finger on that pulse n. i also heard some stories of people saying that there's indigenous cultures that have oral traditions to talk about a time before the moon and you mentioned hope prophecy understand part of it is they say at one point in their history they were taken underground by the ants people maybe that kind of ties into this interaction with some kind of other type of being but what are your thoughts on that just the idea that.

49:14 in periods of cataclysm, maybe this interaction is a little bit more face-to-face and all we have now are these stories about it. And maybe that time is coming around again? Yeah I mean I do suspect that's the case that we have had periods where the interaction was very direct but also would say there that some of the Native American tribes so they've had quite direct contact that's been ongoing into what I understand, you know modern times. So although it seems to be there's a bit of cultural or regional difference in the levels of contact that you know, in Europe perhaps and North America that for whatever reason that direct contact has kind of faded away earlier or faster more intensely than it has in other areas like in the Amazon or in North America with the indigenous people. That they have maintained relationships to the point where they would talk about sky family and stuff no star family

50:11 right? So that suggests a very close relationship. And you said, you know beings that turn up at their ceremonies, you know they perform ritual ceremony and those would some of be attended by star people so I think we have to be kind of careful to assume that everybody's having the same experience i think that's probably not the case and I think that direct contact has been more universal and more global during certain periods and then in other times it is more regional or limited to certain cultures But yeah, I think whenever there's been these if you look at their stories of well as Native American stories Egyptian stories and various cultures that tell us about cataclysms. And that often during these it seems to be beings that help us or to kind of reset society they perform the act of being the teachers you know that kind of replant civilization. There are the Maya prophecies relating to 2012 so when i used to study that because

51:06 website 2012 Rising for many years and was very involved with the Maya calendar topic in 2012. When I wrote about that, you know, I touched on this that if you look at they talked about these beings that kind of came and gave good presence and stuff and helped after this seeming cataclysm but they at that point seemed to really have a direct interaction with people are helping after this cataclysm now there's similar stories with Egyptians that after one of these major events that there's these beings who in some stories seems like they come from maybe an Atlantis type advanced place or maybe they are extraterrestrial but there are some kind of advanced beings that come and help re-found civilization again. So it does appear that there's cycles where this occurs, and if you look at what's happening now because you know very strange stuff happening got the whole UFO thing blowing up but

51:55 But UFOs also are interpreted by some cultures, indigenous cultures as being harbingers of massive change. Probably cataclysmic change when you start to have this buildup of anomalies flying around or appearing to people because some may not be flying around they maybe visionary. You know this combination of objects and visionary craft that when this occurs again is seen in some shamanic terms as a sign of, yep you know the earth's about to reboot again. So I mean that in itself again should make people take pause for thought you know we have UFOs all over the news, we have this great reset being talked about ,we see this sort of pseudo pandemic, we have obviously wars rumors of war is pushed for kind of nuclear conflict between China or Russia and the US and yeah there's a lot right now that suggests that you know

52:47 just on the edges of a potential cataclysm. And then there's others that we can't really foresee, you know things like pole shift and we know that the magnetic field has been weakening and got these holes opened up in it now is that to do with some kind of magnetic flip? solar activity has been super weird. You know, I was talking to an astrophysicist the other day and he thinks that we are now plunging into a little ice age like a more minimum of solar activity again that would mesh with the idea of the death and rebirth of the Sun which is key in all the Mesoamerican prophecies that we are entering a new age or new sun and then we will see the death of one and the rebirth another in fact some

53:24 prophetic kind of wisdom school information suggests that the sixth sun should really begin on the 21st of December 2021. So we're not very far from that, so if indeed is that the sun has got a rebirth, then we may see a mega storm and that's been speculated in some studies of the past in terms of mythology and events. So I think there's a few that we could be facing, you know obviously polar shifts where we have actual axial flips those appear in ancient texts and in the Bible we have the story you know a third of the stars fell from the sky which is something you'd only see in a axial shift it just can't happen otherwise

54:07 So we know that there seems to be records pointing to these events happening before. I think there's a whole series of them, if you look at the Mayans they say about this thing that the world has been destroyed by fire, water and air... There are different events that have done it and so we won't necessarily know what's going to hit us before it does. That fits well with the other biblical line about when all this stuff happens it comes like a thief in the night! We won't really know until I'm totally honest with what it is that's going to happen. Yeah, troubled times indeed! But man this has been really great to talk to you again You're a knowledgeable guy with a really unique take on alien intervention but you make a really compelling case for it and we're on the same page with how bad this current agenda is and To me thats important because I've tried to cover other topic areas than just the plandemic but a few guests

55:04 You know their book is about something completely unrelated but they got a pepper in there where your mask get your vaccine tangents and it's a little awkward cuz you know i gotta know your audience but you are great fit around here and thank you for your time let them know or to follow up with the you get your books and some of your future projects if you have anything in the works. Yeah sure, I mean if people want to follow me as you know i'm sort of an agitator on twitter which is um they can follow me at exogenesishh and they don't have to follow me if they don't like what i'm saying that's the way i look at it. And then there is my website is brucerfenton.com i need to put some more content on there it's a bit short books are on amazon of course don't like amazon so you can contact me instead you know so i can

55:49 direct signed copies of eBay. They will find those on Amazon if that's what they need to use And I think in terms of projects, yeah. I'm just tidying up the paper on the TechType Techno signature and I will upload that so that it's publicly viewable at some point and we'll probably also convert into a short Kindle book, a bit more public friendly because is a bit like technical and academic-y at the moment to be honest they may need to be put out as both as a scientific paper and there's a short slightly tweaked ebook to make it all fun to read to be honest with you

56:29 That should be good. That's the main one, I mean really and i always say that it's...I know that we've gone to a bit of it but yeah there's a lot of technical details in that paper that will I think make anyone that reads it understand that this material just cannot come from an asteroid impact there's a lot about you know how it's thrown out into space all this stuff that couldn't happen yeah there's just a lot there so it will fill in a lot of blanks if people say you know they're not quite convinced by what I've shared with you that paper should hopefully finish the argument Awesome well again i really appreciate what you do you can hang with the academics and get down in the trenches with a person like me so it's been really fun talking to ya thanks again and take care. Thanks very much reg, take care. Hallelujah people fun stuff good audio great guest what more could we want?

57:20 I'm really proud of this one, or...proud of picking Bruce to come back which is really all i do. Curate who you guys are going to hear from and let them talk about their work! They need me like an orchestra needs a guy waving a stick at them but hey glad to get bruce back because i do think he has a pretty unique take on things He's open to a wide range of possibilities because if genetic tinkering and planet seeding and cosmic library holding artifacts have ever happened, or more specifically happened at a time depth like 788 thousand years ago then it could have happened at any point since then. And could still be happening in real-time

58:02 I've also been intrigued by this idea of pieces of genetic code or viruses coming from space intentionally, or unintentionally. That an update or change to humanity's genetic code would come in that sort-of fashion just kind of makes sense to me A lot of evolution talk is always just kept within the bubble of the Earth and i think it needs to be scaled up Evolution to me is more a description of measurable progress through a species or through life than it is the ultimate final answer to everything, you know as its often presented. I guess I just like that Bruce recontextualizes viruses in a much wider context than just thinking these things get ya sick because we already know that's just a small sliver of the role of viruses in the big picture

58:59 Did COVID come from space? I don't know. I think we were just having a little bit of fun with it, but it's certainly a more unique idea than a lot of angles out there and is in the realm of possibility! I didn't expect the conversation to be so COVID heavy today actually... But if some viruses can come from space then we should think about that with any of them. We really don't know the deepest darkest why over this whole COVID thing Is it just a money grab and control mechanism, an attack on the wage class and small business? Or is it possible that it's an attempt to stop some consciousness upgrade. Everyone talks about a consciousness upgrade coming! That we're on the verge of an awakening... I mean they've been saying that since before 2012 Indigo Kids and all that

59:53 Maybe it's just hopeful thinking, but I like to think that the shamans know what they're talking about even if their time horizons can be a bit vague. And if something genetic was gonna happen to humanity that might disrupt their comfortable positions of power What would they do? I bet it would look a lot like what we're seeing But audio wise guys... Mwah! I cracked the code I think If you listen to this back-to-back with the last episode with Bruce done over Skype I think it is a clear level jump. If i imagine a Rogan-like setup as I'm listening, It does actually sound like we're in the same room! I also have a new microphone that people can probably tell some subtle differences with Basically, I feel real good about making a couple of changes staying ahead of the latest tech for doing this kind of thing and changes we got in The Works for radically improving the Plus experience

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1:03:25 They incentivize you to take on certain streaming services where the global elite have made the largest investment and they'll bump you a point or two for that. Funny how that is, but we also talked about clues to manipulation that are in our genetic code and the genomic SETI idea other proposed periods of ET involvement that we didn't cover last time, the Dragon Man and what Bruce has seen from Chris Bledsoe's healing abilities. That was very interesting Again I take the currency that is your attention very seriously THC is not a show that is just trying to fill airtime until the next ad read We live or die by the listeners not the sponsors

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