Brooks Agnew | Alternative Energy, The Hollow Earth Expedition, & Aliens

00:04 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed a nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times but we're far from 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration We offer a fresh conversation! I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chats Praise Jesus, Hireside Shatters. How the hell are ya? Smokin' a little smoke, drinkin' a little drink from sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood ready to dive in to many things but among them one of my favorite topics It is no secret how much i love the hollow earth idea and I've been saying for awhile now that we should ease up on the fantasy and theories as great as the stories are and just go there

00:56 Well, today's guest is a guy who has had some ups and downs but has worked harder than anyone I know to get a real full-blown scientific expedition in motion to investigate the North Pole opening. And he really just the guy to do it! Brooks Agnew is son of NASA contract engineer was published author at 13, has a bachelor degree in chemistry, a master's in statistics and PhD physics He also hosts Xsquared radio and CEO of company primed to produce first affordable electric truck a man of many hats and I'm honored to have him here. Brooks, it is a real pleasure there is so much I want to talk about today but I really am interested in electric vehicles you know I bought a new car 2006 now as positive who's gonna be the last gas-powered car I drove but nine years later almost a decade and its still not mass market thing how close are you guys getting? Well Greg we're actually getting very close now yeah come through year crash testing

01:53 You know, you have to do that for all the regulators in Washington DC. And now we're ready to open the export market. We'll be shipping out a completely knocked down truck that our customers can put together in a foreign country and distribute it their market It's good for them, its good for us. It gives us practice making trucks which is what every company needs. It gives them much price reduced vehicle That doesn't use any fuel so they can sell it into their markets a couple of the markets that were Entertaining right now. They're still spending six dollars and forty cents a gallon for gas Plus our trucks have integral solar recharging So if you don't have a power supply to plug the vehicle into which you can use an ordinary wall socket or The high-powered

02:49 sidewalk chargers that you see around town now, or just leave it in the sunshine and it'll charge itself up. Wow that's pretty awesome! That multifaceted approach is definitely one that has been kind of lacking from the electric car community but I guess I'm kinda curious would you say technology or bureaucracy has been a bigger obstacle for you in this realm? Well there's no competition there whatsoever we've been in business now for nine years we have overcome one technological hurdle after another weight wind resistance bearings controllers batteries we work through all of that.

03:32 And during that eight years, the bureaucracy of the EPA and the Department of Transportation that we have to work through has grown 10 times in size. Yeah, that's such a bummer because this would be great for people but it seems like... I mean would you say that auto industry lobby is behind all of that? I absolutely would The thing i become convinced of is that the environmental protectionist agency works for the oil companies and the department transportation works to the major car makers their job is to keep competition out of the market which they do very effectively.

04:19 Yeah, that doesn't surprise me at all. I feel like we see the same thing with the FDA you know every drug that has had to be recalled because a lot of people have been sick or killed or injured...I mean it was first approved by the FDA and so that's not a stamp of approval all the time that i think is really that valuable Well, that being said a lot of drugs that some people would probably be injured by would help other people and they take 10, 15 years to come to market. In the meantime thousands and thousands of people die that could be helped by that drug just because of the bureaucracy. Right! That is another great point so as far as your company goes why aren't you guys getting the same attention as say Tesla Motors? Well the difference is Tesla was founded by some of my acquaintances in the business smart guy's

05:16 Do you do job converting the four of the lotus over to electric and they had an idea to use computer batteries. To power their vehicles which is now vastly outdated technology but they still use it what happened when elon musk did his hostile takeover of the company in fired all original founders is he asserted his ability not to sell cars but the cell stock and he's done really really well at that list still a very very small car company we will pass tesla up in our second year in business as far as sales of individual vehicles

06:07 Does our vehicle cost about a third of what his costs and where pickup truck not a sports car. Yeah that's interesting i'm definitely skeptical anytime that the mainstream media gives anyone this much attention because of course we know that they're bought and sold so, i can feel like you know they're putting up a false god in front of us so to speak in terms of the electric car community, but then you got you know. You guys are doing some work and it's a little more under the radar at least as far as the corporate media is concerned and I definitely think those are places you gotta look in wherever they're not putting their spotlight is probably where he you want to put yours well the difference is that we sell trucks and they sell stock they need to have high profile they need to have press releases every day

06:55 They need to have great stories out there. And I will give it to Elon, they tried to destroy him for sure. We thought he was done two years ago when the short traders had about 40 million of his shares out there and they were just destroying the company day by day. Elon had put probably a little better than $40 million in his own money in the company which I laud him for that was really A great move on his part. The other thing is that the short traders ended up getting caught because what they tried to do was make the stock continue down, down, down until the company delisted and they took a reporter from Time Magazine who drove the car abused it for five days and then finally died out in Monda turnpike and he wrote an excoriating article in Time magazine

07:58 About his personal experience with the tesla s so you want technicians flew out there got the black box out of the car downloaded. The actual driving history of the car, discovered that this newspaper guy or this magazine guy from Time Magazine had completely abused the car. Drove it at 100 miles an hour, drove with the heat on and windows down didn't charge for three days at a time And still the car exceeded its design criteria Wow So Elon has a great PR network so he released his version of what happened

08:43 And the stock did about a 9% jump. It jumped about two bucks, it was just enough to catch the naked short traders without stock they had to get that stock and deliver that stock before they end of business or they lose The ability to trade at the exchange Well the stock went from about $22.50 To $180 in less than a month And it cost one bank that was doing, it was Citigroup. They lost close to 1.8 billion dollars on Tesla stock and it couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of guys In the meantime Elon sold treasury stock into the market

09:35 allowed himself to bulk the company up in cash. He paid his Department of Energy loans, which they were killing him on. They were slow with disbursements, killing his cash flow. He was in running danger of not being able to make payroll. He paid the DOE loans off nine years early gave them a high sign and said I am never coming back. So he saved his company and he saved himself Buy that move but he was extremely lucky the other eleven car companies that went public they tried to build electric vehicles all went broke the same way. We didn't go public we stay private so we weathered all of that and we survived nice, nice that point you make about him selling stock is pretty telling me it makes a lot of sense i guess maybe an example with of that would be

10:34 asking you your thoughts on this Tesla home battery. I mean, is that a real game-changing advancement or is that kind of a baby step with savvy marketing behind it? I don't think it's going to be a big seller. I just don't think people in this country experience blackouts that much now in the third world country where you have power between six o'clock and nine o'clock at night and there isn't time you have no electricity It might come in very handy because Have to run something at noon you don't have electricity but americans don't really think that way not with respect to their homes i haven't tried for years to get people look at building holes with two grades in the one that you can make to the meter and pay the power company and get your home permit all about by having that

11:29 And a second grid, which is low voltage, which runs LED lighting and you know certain number of plugs in the house so that you can run different things like vacuum cleaner or stereo or TV or something like that. That way you could lower your burden on your meter. You could actually make more money by reducing your demand on your meter than you would selling the energy back to the grid Smart man. Yeah, that sounds like a wise idea because you're paying 11 cents a mil for the electricity at your meter and they're paying you six cents a mil for what you bank with them

12:11 So why not just supply your own 11 cents per mil electricity and not use theirs? Yeah, absolutely. Another thing I've been hearing about in the energy world is plasma engines and i think maybe this is more for space but as I understand it they can get power and thrust out of just electricity without any fuel Is that right? Yeah thats true now its not very much thrust The Canemotor which was really a phenomenal application using microwaves to create particles which are then accelerated out the back end with no intake port. That is to say there's no fuel on board, it's just electricity they made a 50 micronewtons of thrust which i should not have made I mean just theoretically it can't work but it did now fifty micronewtons is not much

13:06 No trust but you're only talking a disk maybe eighteen inches across if you do the calculations and get that to say thirty feet across. Can you put it in this space where we don't have the interference of air in the end of this plasma generation then you could probably generate several hundred pounds of thrust. Not a whole lot, but 180 pounds of thrust over say three 30-foot diameter plasma motors would continuously accelerate that craft as long as you had light hitting those panels that craft to be accelerating and given a couple months You could probably get up to 1 quarter or maybe even the third lightspeed which is significant Yeah

13:58 Wow man, that's pretty fascinating. And you know I've had a lot of guests who have kind of made me feel as if there is secret physics involving electricity or often maybe even high-speed rotation and it seems like there is something there...a little pocket of physics that the establishment purposely wants to cover up and I mean its all over my head but this is kinda what some other guest have made me feel like. Do you have any thoughts on that? Does that seem to be true to you It is, and it's not really necessary. If you take the time to travel around and visit the facilities like go to the laser interferometer gravitational wave observatories there are two of them in this country There is one in Louisiana in Livingston And there is one in Hanford Washington I've been to both facilities These are the world biggest Mickelson-Morley Interferometers

14:56 What they do is, they're attempting to measure changes in the fabric of space-time. It hasn't really been successful yet although they've been online for probably 15 or 18 years now They're not online all the time because it takes a lot to get them online You have to evacuate tunnels that are 4 kilometers long That's a lot of space to evacuate air out Then you shoot a laser down each one of these like a giant framing square. They bounce off of sapphire coated mirrors back and forth, back and forth until this laser beam is like 20 thousand miles long then they change the phase of one of those legs 90 degrees and overlay the two laser beams so they cancel each other out Now if you have really good control over your frequency of your laser And you have a really flat mirror

15:59 All conditions are perfect, you get a black spot. If there's any vibration it won't work so they hang these mirrors from 2,000 pound weights which are suspended by like piano wire so Earths vibration, a truck driving by or waves crashing on the beach cannot affect that mirror because of the inertia in that weight thats hanging from that piano wire So, what this gives us is a perfect view of space-time 20 thousand miles long down each one of these legs of the interferometer. If space time curves which theoretically should happen if a gravitational wave comes through like from coalescing neutron stars or rotating black holes or something like that then the fabric of space time is going to ripple

16:56 And when it ripples, the length of that laser beam going along that fabric is going to change. That's what they're trying to measure now in building this thing They got to measure all kinds of things that they didn't expect to see One of those one of those things that they did not expect to see That dr. Fred Robb who was the engineer? PhD engineer that runs the facility in Hanford Washington told me one of the things they're seeing is particles like photons popping into our dimension from another dimension and that's a quote. So we already know the information in, in the form of photons and protons and electrons

17:48 Is moving in between our dimension and another dimension or let's call it our universe and another universe so being able to harness that. And make it work in our dimension is the challenge a lot of people have tried only the canna motor has been successful doing as far as i know wow And man, that's a pretty good explanation. I mean it makes sense to even me which is saying something well there was a Researchers name was Casimir and he said that if you make two metal plates Extremely flat like flat within millionths of an inch and you put those plates close enough together they're not quite touching and then put them in a vacuum just the presence of the plates

18:44 will induce particles to come into that space between those plates. And it will create some energy flow, it'll be small one electron volt or a fraction of an electron volt and its repeatable and people are doing it is useful? Not really zero point energy you have to have an antenna the size in New Mexico to power car So it's not really practical. But the Cana motor takes the inertia of the craft and overcomes it by shoving protons out the back of this motor that it induces into our dimension using microwaves

19:34 Jesus man, there's just so much happening on the scientific and technological edge right now. It's kind of hard to keep it all straight Before we switch gears a little bit is there anything else in the energy area that really has you excited right now? Well I will say that in the area of energy storage course You know we build electric vehicles. So we rely a lot on batteries yeah batteries and capacitors have been Play with you know by everybody that's got a garage or has the money to buy but your batteries and capacitors. The issue is that capacitors except electricity recharge totally differently than batteries do as you recharge your capacitor changes voltage,

20:20 until you finally got all the electrons stacked on the dielectric that'll go there and then you create a path for them to escape one side or the other. That's how capacitors work, and as soon they do of course the voltage drops off. Batteries will maintain a constant voltage for long time until it begins to run low on electrons with enough current flow then the voltage will drop off So that's what we want in a vehicle. We want to maintain constant voltage for 100 miles and then we want it to drop off, but we also wanna recharge quickly and infinitely like capacitors. Yeah. I think the frontier for us... And it's going very slowly way too slow for me

21:07 is to hybridize capacitors and batteries into one unit. Something that will maintain a constant voltage, but will accept instantaneous charge like a capacitor an infinite number of times Totally man best of both worlds so is there anyone out there who's really doing that right now lots people are trying their new compounds graphene is something has been playing with for maybe fifty years but making a graphing film has only been successfully done in the last two years and it was done on the university level which is sometimes terrible for industry because

21:49 A lot of the processes are accidental, they're not very well reported. The technology is not very well protected or it's overprotected and its not really industrial in scale. The first ones that they made on a CD disc using the laser for this CD disc to cure the graphene film. Of course you have to listen to the whole 700 megabytes to get it to cure which is very slow but at least it worked And then it's very thin, you know. It's only one or two molecules thick that's not really useful We need something that is much thicker and can take a lot more charge So the processes just have not been scaled up yet

22:34 And believe me, Greg, nothing would please me more than to have a million dollars in the lab over here and start scaling that technology up. But it just isn't out there. We are at a terrible place of worst place I've seen in my lifetime or that I've even read about as far as developing really developing new technology in the United States is awful Really? That surprises me a little bit because tech seems to be moving pretty crazy in today's world, but I guess the conspiracy guy and me would say that makes sense. And that because the establishment has such a vested interest in keeping the monopolies the way they are They do everything they can bureaucracy red tape passing lobbyist sponsored interference Economic interference as well all to get the genie back in the bottle and slow down progress Do you think that might be why these are really tough times for Tech

23:27 Well that may in fact be the reason. What we see is, according to the president of Gallup who does a lot of very well respected polling in a lot of different areas The United States is at the lowest level of business startups that we've been in 40 years Now thats just not because we have shortage of entrepreneurs or because we don't have smart people who want to do stuff It's simply because all of the capital has been borrowed out of the market by the federal government. There is no money left, we are at a complete liquidity vacuum in the United States it is harder today

24:19 For a company to write it check for say five million dollars that is ever been ever even since the civil war harder. There are fewer individual investors that can write a check for five million dollars today then you can imagine i'd say less than five hundred nationwide, There there is a have money but they can't write a check. They have to go sell some stock or sell some property or sell some gold, something that they don't know liquidity in the market and this isn't. This is very very dangerous place for country to be we are so vulnerable right now i cannot explain that extreme enough terms

25:06 Yeah that's really sad cuz the internet the way it is of course it frees up so many possibilities for. For new businesses but I guess you know of course the economy is manipulated as well how do you see that progressing, that's a really good question i think on a small scale companies need ten thousand dollars or thirty thousand dollars There are lots of alternatives for them there's crowdfunding there is no friends and family there's things that you can do but for a company needs, you know five million or ten million hundred million to get started in launch put something serious into production.

25:44 That kind of money doesn't exist in the United States anymore. We ourselves had to go to one of the Balkan states, one of the new states from 1991 in order to find the money to launch our company and it was there and was there in large amounts and we accessed it and that's how we got started. And you know we have a lot of competition but we had a lot of competition about five years ago now were so far ahead of them they've just given up And it's simply because we were able to access funds outside the country. Now, we're getting ready to go to the next level. We're still not going public but we are getting ready to go to the next level by accessing some institutional investors and that makes it a lot more successful for us. We can reach higher and run faster But you know took 8 years to get here Most companies don't have legs to go eight years Yeah That is troubling for sure

26:43 uncertain economic times, but let's switch gears a little bit. I mean now that we're properly lubed up Let's get into the hollow earth a bit I mean i know you're familiar with the lore and the legends and the ancient descriptions And that's all really interesting But what was it they got you to take it seriously? Oh, I like...I like this science The thing that interests me about It is We have a lot of information from people who really shouldn't have any business having that information or generating that information. Like you say, there's a lot of stories, there's a lot of lore, there are religious foundations from South America, from Egypt, from Asia, from Russia... It is phenomenal how many people and cultures on this planet have a deep tradition that they are somehow connected with the inside of the Earth

27:41 And the fascinating thing for me when someone handed me a book, I believe it was 2002 or 2003. We were writing the first volume of The Ark of Muins of Years that was published in 2004 so we were definitely writing then and it was about the Hollow Earth and I read it and I thought wow thats amusing but there's no way could be real. I put on the shelf and forgot about it but after the book came out in 2004 It was a pretty good success. We were able to travel and go take some photographs for ourselves instead of using other people's photographs and paying license fees, and we got out in some places and discovered that there were three areas where we were steadily getting hard data. One of those was geology, geophysics. We were getting seismological data from the USGS almost on an hourly basis around the world

28:38 And some of this was pretty significant. The earthquakes were sizable and when you have a big earthquake, it's sort of like doing a cat scan of the Earth. A vibration thumps on one side that goes through the planet and it is picked up by listening stations on the other side of the planet. Well, the delay in those vibrations and the direction of those vibrations can generate a sort of picture of the inside of the planet. Like when you're doing seismology in oil fields, you blow up just a charge of dynamite those vibrations go down to the earth bounce off the strata come back up to geophones which are stretched out for a mile or so above the ground and you get an image what's underneath you

29:26 Unfortunately, the USGS did not have the funding or even a program to coordinate all that information. But eventually when Washington University under Dr. Y Sessions got a grant put together the grad students got their hands on 600 thousand of these seismograms from the USGS they analyzed them and they created a real picture of what the inside of the planet looked like And what they discovered and they published is that there was another ocean on the inside of the crust as large as Atlantic Ocean. And I said to myself, hold on a minute! I thought we lived in a molten ball in space? Right... I thought we live very precariously on tectonic plates and we floated around on a big pool of molten lava like cornflakes in a bowl of milk That's not the way the planet made

30:29 So I started investigating it again. And this time, I found a lot more evidence It didn't necessarily prove the Earth was hollow but it definitely proved that it wasn't made the way I was taught in school! The other thing we noticed about these sciences is they don't talk to each other Geologists don't talk to cosmologists They don't talk to oceanographers Well, I started stitching the pieces together from one science to the other. Once we jumped out into the cosmology and we started looking at imagery of Earth from space We started to learn much more about the auroras over both poles and how they act and what causes them when they show up

31:20 plotted that information against things like the solar wind, solar flares magnetic filaments you know this kinds of stuff and we found that we did not have a very good fit in mathematics. We call this the R squared it means how well does the data fit align its drawn through it is there are lot of error or is it like 99.99% right on line It was terrible it was useless data that was sometimes manipulated that is to say outliers were dropped purposefully out of the data to create a better fit once you put all the data back in there's no fit at all.

32:05 So if that's not what is causing the auroras, there has to be another cause. There has to be something that lines up with this flow of high energy particles that strike our atmosphere and cause them to luminesce And it turns out its the electrode jet from inside the planet In order for that to be, it would mean that there would have to be significant thinning of the metal crust at the poles. This is something that's in the lore, in the religions and history but not in science. And thats why we went looking for information satellite imagery maybe some measurements taken off the ocean floor Greg, there was nothing

32:58 Nothing no photos no measurements these areas had never been sailed before by sea in the antarctica there covered with ice thousands and thousands of thousand feet thick in the arctic it is so rough and so dangerous. No one has ever done it by sea damn So that's why we decided, we're going to go up there and get some samples off the sea floor. Now it is 4400 meters deep. That is a pretty deep ocean about 14000 feet It's hard to take a cable 14000 feet long on a boat and pay it out Take a sample then reel it back in especially with ice all around Yeah It just very difficult project to do

33:47 And we tried to raise the money, took about three million dollars to get the icebreaker just to get there and back. But then get Washington University, Stanford Harvard MIT We had a group from Cambridge that was interested in coming. We put together 100 of the world's best multi-disciplinary scientific team Go up there and take these measurements and we could not raise the money course restarted in two thousand seven and two thousand eight we had crappy is economy that you can imagine true just ever recovered. Just couldn't raise the money to make this project happen,

34:30 So earlier this year in February, we did the first documentary about all these voyages that I've done. All these strange pictures that have taken and evidence that we've collected for The History Channel now it hasn't aired yet i think its gonna air next month but It was so good that were getting ready to do a small mini series like three days of airings because there's too much data to look at one program And this is really Television documentary that's ever been done on hollow earth it should be really significant and maybe, maybe we can get enough interest. That we can get this money together to rent this ship while its still floating I think its gonna be decommissioned in two years

35:20 and we can make this voyage. Man, that is so interesting I remember hearing you on Coast to Coast talking about it several years ago probably around 2007 maybe up to 2009 but yeah i was so excited and interested because here's the guy who actually is like look its not like were talking about going to Mars You know? It sits up there! I mean...I know it's not the most pleasant environment but... Well they are talking about goin' to Mars But they're not talking about going to the Arctic to see if we live on a hollow planet. Right, yeah that's a great point So did you face any real resistance on trying to do this outside of the financial obstacles? No not really I mean We did from the esoteric community All the scientists were ready to go but of course scientists pick crumbs with the sparrows because we had no money

36:15 It takes grants and you have to access pretty large foundations. To be able to get those kind of grants we formed a non-profit it wasn't at all financially successful for us, either were really dumb running it or there just wasn't the money for this kind of project but the opposition that we did get was actually inside the Hollow Earth community from other So-called hollow earth experts hmm that's interesting They wouldn't actually make the threats, but what they would say is if you go up there. You're gonna be blown out of the water You know you're now on a list of people that are being investigated by some secret government agency and

37:04 That's just not true. We go to Washington all the time, nobody is investigating us I can tell you that they might think we're a little bit spooky but your crackpots want to grow up there in the roughest most violent seas on the planet with icebergs the size of houses and i guess we are But you know the data needs to be collected we need to stop guessing Absolutely. I mean, I'm a little curious if when push comes to shove if you wouldn't be stopped by some military envoy or something but... There's no military envoy above the 85th parallel and I'll tell you that unless it's under the sea and they're not going to come up close to the surface. I guarantee they'll stay 500 feet under the waves don't want to risk a $250 million submarine getting hit in the top by an iceberg

38:00 Fair so i did hear one interesting little side didn't have something going on with a missing production company that you are working with along the way. That was pretty strange we were contacted by a park avenue, production company it to get on park ave and be in production company usually have to have some credibility its not just an address that's gonna gets you that thing you gotta get the fame first So they contacted us and really thought that they could put the money together to make this happen. Of course, they wanted to do exclusive rights to film which I didn't have a problem with because this is kind of across between Survivor and The Kardashians in the sense that you have 100 scientists from all over the world speaking different languages some of them probably get seasick

38:57 And you're putting them on the same ship, 500 miles from rescue in 24 hour day light. And your stressing at them as hard as they've ever been stressed for 15 days straight at sea And to have cameras running 24 hours a day, filming not only the interpersonal relations but also the challenges at gathering the data with film with water samples sea life samples there will be discoveries made every 20 minutes on this voyage because these waters have never been tested. These seas have never been seen by human eyes before

39:37 And we were going to see things that we'd never seen before. Now, we might just see whales and ice but there might be other things as well and we were prepared... ...to record all of that! They were excited about that and so were we So they had their board meeting, they decided to fund us and then the communication went dark Nothing No emails returned no phone calls returned I thought You know maybe it just wasn't that exciting to them maybe they really saw how much was gonna cost me back so just for giggles i went to my facebook. Can i have a few thousand people on there and listen is anybody living new york can you like go by this address park avenue in cf there really is a company there or was i just

40:33 About an hour later well maybe was two hours later i get this note back when by there. The company is there and the lights are on inside but theirs nobody their coffee cups on desk laptop sitting open it's just like, Everybody left just gone like that and i thought well thats really strange. And they went back I think one other time about a week later it was the same way, everybody in that place was evacuated and never came back who leaves their laptop open on their desk? Take your laptop home or you close it down or turn off something people just left so i thought that was very very strange

41:20 Yeah, that's definitely odd. But man that would have been a reality show I would have loved to watch all the drama and the education in one package That would have been sweet Now, like we said you've been at this thing for almost a decade and times have changed since then. Kickstarter and GoFundMe weren't really around and of course it's tough to raise 3 million bucks but how about we try just enough to go up and do a preliminary flyover so that we can get film of the entrance if it is there or even drone flight over perhaps? We have discussed that. There's not enough range for a flying drone to do this unless it is solar powered and the sun is so low up there even in the summertime, you're not going to get much energy from it. There would be a way to do it with LTAs with lighter than air if we could and were working on a design develop a helium balloon that would go up to certain altitude and stay there

42:22 going on up to 100,000 feet because once you get above about 7,000 feet you're not gonna see anything. It's gonna be completely whited out with clouds So we need something and And we probably need like a dozen of them We would launch them in prevailing easterly winds so they'd be blowing from west east Of course they can't communicate They can only record So you launch them and then you have another crew or go back to the port and fly over to the other side, wait for the balloons to come across. And as they come across then you shoot him down and retrieve it. That can be done a variety of different ways that it could be done affordably and download the information from the cameras and see what you see

43:16 And that is, we were actually talking. That's one of the three day series we're talking about with History Channel right now is doing these LTAs each one would probably cost 10 to $15000 for hardware and then it will probably take that much to get them in position and I think we could use grad students which are basically slave labor they work for hamburgers and then we can collect the data and see what we could find and that would be a good pilot We just have not spent any money yet, you know just beyond the actual feasibility study But if you know we're talking about 150 maybe 180 thousand dollars to pull something like that off That's doable. That's something that you could do on go fund me or Kickstarter or something like that? I just haven't put the project together yet and been working on the car company so hard I'd just had

44:15 So and that's gotta be cheaper than if you and i just wanted to go out and hire a private pilot just fly us over to get a good shot. Of the supposed whole mean that would have to cost more than one fifty when you think yeah it was too far to in order to go that far you have to take a jet turbo that's out of trouble proper range, And the only jet that we spoke to was an old 727. It definitely could do it, he just wouldn't fly any lower than 17000 feet so we didn't do it Right on so I do have people who write me and they're like hey, you know. I really like the show But you keep going on about this hollow earth thing And I just don't buy it and I've had people tell me that they've taken flights from one side of the globe to the other that has flown over the North Pole and

45:04 i mean did they do flight paths go over there are they just so high above the clouds that you wouldn't see it anyway, no but don't go all day and then i think the highest flights go to about seventy six of the seventy six or seventy seven degrees Which is pretty high, but we're going to 86. That's way over the horizon from where you're flying those commercial jets I've flown back from Korea China Japan and then what they're talking about But they don't go that high up over the North Pole Right on now i got something to say these people So do you think that I guess you have a pretty good idea where the hole would be is it closer to the true north or The magnetic north, or do you have a particular longitude latitude? You expect to find it. We haven't we have a particular latitude and its been Digested by our team To be 86 degrees North hang on 143 East

46:09 I believe we've been to lots and lots of shipping companies, and cruise companies, and isolated haul companies. No one will go that far north except for Murmansk. Murmansk will go that far. There were three ships that could do it. I think they're down to one. It's just the 50 years of glory that can do that high right now. The Yamal has been decommissioned. The Captain Kalibnikov? That one has been decommissioned so only the 50 years of glory is left Wow. But it's a big ship, you know 450 feet long 73 thousand tons It's it's a big ship and they can definitely do it And I don't think he would get stuck in the Arctic It is almost got stuck in the Antarctic a couple times but not the Arctic Hmm man so

47:06 People i think people really do forget just how hard it is to get up there even in two thousand fifteen with all the things we have cuz people of said things to me like you know why can't we take a picture from space why doesn't a satellite get a picture why don't they see it from the international space station what about google earth. Google earth is animated everything above sixty parallels and made They don't actually get real imagery. In 2006, the Data Denial Act was a joint resolution that was passed by UMITSAT and NOAA. They do not publish any real-time data above the 70th parallel. Really? Cannot do it because that data could actually be used to feed into the imagery systems of cruise missiles

47:55 It could be used by enemies to use as navigation. So, they do not release that information and that's why you don't see any photographs on the web and you can search to your heart's content, you're not going to find any. Wow! Now I guess true is that might be it is also very convenient if there are people who don't want us to know about that? That's true and you know there's always the kind of woo-woo side to this and that is when you incorporate the UFO side And I would say, people say do you believe in UFOs? I would respond by saying you're not one of the ones that believe we're the only beings in all universe are you. So if there are advanced beings here whether they're ultra terrestrials or whether they are extra terrestrials, I think that there's enough witness data out there

48:56 Back up the idea that okay there are at least a few dozen ships flying around and one thing we know great they are as present as they wanna be. Yeah if you want to be more president i doubt theres anything that can stop them from being more present but, be that is it may their not in the air all time their part somewhere right they got a base somewhere Because you gotta go, you got to empty the port-a-potty sometimes. Of course! I'm right there with ya'. If you were gonna hide a civilization from another civilization You would hide in the place that they don't go And we know very little about our sea floor We know our shipping lanes okay But as far as the Arctic It's a complete frontier

49:51 If there were ships underneath the sea on the seafloor in the Arctic or floating under the ice, we'd never know about it. Right So if we put this ship in that place with that much exploratory consciousness That far away from civilization...if they want to They could show themselves to us and we would catch them on film and that would change everything right Yeah man, I think that's a really intriguing area and you know i grew up being interested in aliens and UFOs. It wasn't until way late in the game that I started hearing people talking about well maybe they're not aliens at all maybe they're from a previous civilization that survived to previous cataclysm they could have always been earth-based possibly

50:42 It's kind of interesting because then I would think, well why would you give the surface to humans? Why would you let us enjoy this beautiful surface and it is a pretty harsh environment. We do have to make shelters just to deal with it and you could just use the earth as a natural shelter and know that cataclysms happen and its best just to stay down there Well you make a really good observation A lot of people don't know this Humans spend less than 15% of their time outside. Not a lot also if you look at earth and you compare it to any other planet that we can see within 20,000 light years

51:26 This is the only one that you could really live on the surface. The others are kind of inhospitable, either boiling or they're freezing or they have toxic gases or no atmosphere at all like our moon or Mars a very thin and cold one It would make perfect sense that any civilization living on those planets would simply live inside the planet and go out when necessary Yeah, I'm with you. I guess growing up and having the mainstream idea of aliens in my head, they just seem so far away. And then to go to the polar opposite of that with this idea there right there, it could be right there all the time. There's actually something slightly more disconcerting about that. It makes it feel like maybe we're not even the apex creature on our own planet and I just think that said a really interesting

52:23 thought exercise to go through. Another interesting point about that is even if they aren't from here, when we occupy a country like Iraq We don't bring our troops back and forth every day You know we station them nearby so why wouldn't beings from another galaxy perhaps do the exact same thing? That's a good question you know relative to other animals with longer lifespans than we breed like rabbits It doesn't take us very long to fill up all the available space. A being that's been here that long, that's living in limited space has learned either how to live a very long time or how to control their population so we're probably not very well respected in that regard.

53:15 I also think it's kind of interesting when you look at the general ufology community, two of the big memes that happen is it seems like these UFOs are disabling nuclear facilities which is interesting. Why would they be that concerned unless they also inhabited this space perhaps inside the earth? They're going after the weapons, not the power generation. Right right and the weapons would be a threat if you know they also inhabited the same space? Well we've blown off over 2600 of those things so I guess uh... We pretty well trashed the space! Well that's true The other meme that's popular is genetics Of course you know the abduction phenomenon and people having some type of genetic manipulation And it kind makes me think

54:00 if they were from Zeta Reticuli or the Orion Nebula, wouldn't they have if they had the technology to get here a pretty damn advanced genetics program? Because ours is actually pretty good and we're still stuck here. And also why would their genetics be 100% compatible with ours it just makes me think perhaps if they were surviving from previous cataclysm down inside the earth there might be more reason to be doing that kind of genetic stuff well there's no doubt about I talk this over with my friends all the time, they say well what about hybrids? What about generating other possibilities between humans and someone else. And I say well look all that's possible but then what spirit actually inhabits that body? It's not like a horse and donkey having a mule we're talking about something that is a good portion human

54:58 But then is it going to be sentient, intelligent? Or is it going to be an ape or animal? What spirit is going to inhabit that. It has to come through a human womb in order to access the human spirit. If it comes through an alien womb who's gonna be born in it and what good would do them to be in a body like ours? Yeah yeah I think that's compelling stuff. I also think you can compare it to if you consider the greys or aliens to be kind of a cultural overlay of a phenomenon that might have gone, might be way older than even we know there's a lot of Irish lore about beings down below elves gnomes leprechauns and a lot of the stories of these things involve taking kids in the night and stuff like that

55:52 They involve being associated with royalty and it's also funny that you know Great Britain in Ireland these areas where these stories come from their islands So if you did have some type of surface Farm going or something that you were working with, you know beans up there before we developed all this global travel You would put them on an island. And so these stories are interesting and they could be Connected to the stories We now call them the grays because we have a scientific mind instead of a fantasy mind but they could be kind of the same phenomenon it very well could be I think the grays is From what i can understand from the ufo community there more like a biological robot yeah they just kind of followers and do it ask around program. They can't really think things out,

56:41 Yeah, I do hear that too and perhaps if they were just some worker bee for some other being. That other being who actually runs that might actually look a lot like us and they kind of remain in the shadows So all we really see is these weird biological entity things Well there are no match for you know person with Glock Worry about that too much and they realize that to their frail compared to us. Mm-hmm if they don't have some kind of mental lock on but that's why they Allegedly take us one at a time Yeah, they'd have no No way to protect themselves against the group of 100. They can't control under people right? Right It is wild and I do love

57:28 Speculating on that stuff, but it's really tough to get any kind of answers But you hear the rumors and you hear the whispers and there's something going on to some faction of the population but um in terms of the the hollow earth You know It's like a hollow cavity inside. That makes sense to me, I mean I even think about what physics shows you we're in a spiraling galaxy with a black hole in the center when you look at a tornado or hurricane they create a void in the center so it seems like You know, nature shows me that when things are spinning very fast like a planet does and also you could look at geodes the only round rocks we know you break them open and there's sometimes a hollow cavity. It seems like we have a lot of examples that show that things that are spinning enough at a fast rate create avoid and not... That all makes sense to me but then they get into the idea of an inner Sun of some kind in that is hard for me to wrap my mind around do you think there's any kinda light source down there?

58:29 Yeah, actually we watched two studies. One was done in Cambridge and I'm sorry it was done in Japan and the spectrographic data came back from their measurements that the core of the earth was a single iron crystal And that's quite possible but they recorded the temperature at 5000 degrees C That's where the theory fell apart because the crystalline form of iron that they're talking about cannot exist at that temperature, not enough energy. So the experiment was duplicated in Cambridge with a US lab helping them. They created a diamond anvil this is

59:28 a point at which they could apply so much hydraulic pressure that they could duplicate the pressures on the inside of the planet. They then can shoot a laser at it to get it to the right temperature, once they reach 6,000 degrees C, iron crystal was stable and it was putting off a beautiful white light So that made sense if we have an iron core and its at 6000 degrees C which by the way is the temperature of the sun then it puts off a white light. Now the difference between that light and the light we see from our Sun is that this is an electron light, that is to say its made by electrons falling from upper orbitals in the molecule to lower ones The light we see from the Sun is from fusion It's the energy released

1:00:28 when you fuse two hydrogen protons together to make helium. And it puts out all kinds of frequencies which fluoresce with other things, namely our atmosphere and it creates the diffused light that we see but is also very harmful to us. The light put off by iron inside the crust would not be harmful I'm not really sure how photosynthesis would work with that wavelength of light but it would be visible and it would provide enough heat to sustain life inside the planet. The other difference is that our Sun sits in a vacuum 93 million miles away from Earth, the core of Earth if there is a void there sits inside of an insulated pocket of atmosphere There is no vacuum so It'd be interesting to see how

1:01:26 Something that's 6,000 degrees C. That say 1200 miles away behind air would be insulated from the surface so it wouldn't cook the surface It would be insulated on it wheel they have about five or six miles of atmosphere above us Hmm, you don't think it would be too hot in there to support life No I will say this if there is a void there. I don't care what the temperature is There will be life Yeah, see now that's really fascinating because like I said earlier you know why would they give us this beautiful surface to enjoy the oceans and beaches and all this stuff if there was some type of other intelligence on the planet but then we hear about like you mentioned earlier their being a vast ocean under there. We know that

1:02:15 When you get down into the earth, you can find these big crystal caves. So who knows? Maybe the inner earth is way more beautiful, way more amazing. Maybe the whole interior doesn't have the crazy weather effects that we have. Maybe it's more like San Diego year round in there. Maybe they're laughing at us for being idiots up on the surface where we can get hit by all kinds of things and we have extreme weather and they're down there in a true paradise Makes sense to me. No seasons, no nighttime, no snow and no meteors Wow yeah maybe the golden age we always hear about in these old ancient texts Maybe it wasn't necessarily a previous time where the surface was better but maybe it's some legends from inside who knows? Well what I do know is that the classic model of a molten ball floating through space

1:03:11 with a somewhat cool crust is not the true description of the way planets form. Yeah, oftentimes when you go down a rabbit hole the first discovery is just that what you've been told is a lie and then that throws the door wide open it's like well then what is it? And then you start trying to figure it out but another question about traveling there in the North Pole course seems very hostile I think maybe the Antarctic pole is a little less hostile Is there a whole there as well that might be easier to get too No, the thing about the Antarctic if there is a hole there you're never gonna get to it that whole thing is militarized. Can't even get down there unless your affiliated that is say work with university or your part of some government program you don't go down as tourist. The arctic is a lot milder than antarctica gets down close to 100 below zero in winter

1:04:11 But the summer times are still quite brutal in the arctic during the summer it can get up to 40 degrees. Where's the wind and people on 50 miles an hour so just do we call but in winter time it's you know 85 below and it freezes solid fact that freezes at the rate of about 10 to 14 thousand square miles a day wow huh? Well that answers that question. Another piece of evidence I guess, that i've heard you talk about before there is a bird that does seem to go north to nest right? It implies that there's something warm in some kind of green area up there That's true and he's actually my direct ancestor that would be Sir James Ross who discovered the North Magnetic Pole in 1931...I'm sorry 1831 He named a seagull that he found on his first try

1:05:06 to find this North Magnetic Pole. By the way, his ship was destroyed they spent the winter on the ice and they were rescued and then he tried it again that's pretty crazy that he could raise the money to do it again but he did it anyway He named this little seagull called The Ross Gull I spoke to the world's leading ornithologist on that bird And they still to this day do not know where that bird nests in the north. It is definitely not built for North winters. Hmm, wow and thats also interesting thats your direct ancestor what a synchronicity so its in your DNA to seek out this spot So they say

1:05:51 It makes a good story. Makes a good story, I was in a lecture one time and I threw his picture up there and everybody started laughing and I had to turn around look at the screen myself because what did i put out there? Mickey Mouse up there or what! And then took the mic and said what's so funny, what did I miss? They said it looks just like you. So, I took advantage of that and say I'm back... It was funny. Another piece of evidence that I like kind of along the lines of there being a bird that nests north is, there was a discovery of not only mastodons but also carcasses of animals that form a ring where you think this hole might be. It seems like maybe they came out of there perhaps? Yeah, there's a growing consensus that that's actually what happened There was this idea because one of them

1:06:50 Actually several pieces of them in one whole one was recovered quick frozen i mean frozen with fresh honeysuckles in the mouth and undigested food in the stomach and the meat. Was actually viable they actually carved off a piece of the need and cook it is very old so it's not that surprising because, Blizzards come on very, very quickly up there. I was stationed at Grand Forks in North Dakota in 1974-75 and came out of midnight hockey practice one night they were calling for a blizzard so I said well how bad can it be? Come on! I live like just on the other side of this little podunk town inside the river and that blizzard hit while I was in the parking lot of the rink

1:07:48 And my car froze and came to a dead stop about a mile away. That temperature dropped so fast, it got down to minus 76 degrees wind chill. And that is enough to freeze you all the way through if you're stuck in it. Fortunately I had one of the other guys had a truck and came by and rescued me but uh... My little Volkswagen, the oil Just the car just quit and it was a fuel injected car it was amazing how fast that temperature dropped if i wasn't master don. And i got hit with that wind at minus seventy six i guarantee you are free solid with fresh honey suckles in my mouth

1:08:36 Damn, I love that little piece of evidence. At some point, I guess when it creates an ice bridge animals can come out of it. But how do you really see the actual hole? Is that something you can fly into or sail into? Does gravity change? Is there like a steep drop-off thats too severe for ship or something? That's a very good question We don't really know how far across it would be Im not sure that you could fly over because of the gravity anomaly or magnetic anomaly

1:09:21 And that's one of the scary things about sailing, even with a big ship is you wouldn't know your sail into a hole. You only have even with a ship that's pretty tall on the water you only have about 14 or 15 miles of view before the curvature of the earth goes away so if this whole is let's say 80 miles across you'd never see it You just sail right into it and you wouldn't know until you looked up and noticed it was dark. Man, that's so interesting! And I hope sometime in my lifetime... ...you get down there somebody gets down there because I gotta know but you have to assume that at least someone on the planet knows some governments or military must know Do you think? Or are they in the dark too? Well

1:10:18 I'm sure they're going to be forthcoming with that information very soon. They know about it, they're not telling us about it That's why we wanted to go see for ourselves Right...that's kind of what makes me give more credence to the extraterrestrial element or to some type of other being element because if its just more land inside you'd think man would just want to conquer it Yeah well thats what were all about isn't it? Yep Man, you know it's kind of hard to know. what sources you can trust and how deep some of these rabbit holes really go. And it's hard to keep your finger even on the pulse of just modern science in general, but it does seem like they've discovered that or at least are speculating about other bodies in the solar system out there that seemed to be hollow I mean that could give an indication that our planet could be too but we're seeing that right? These announcements that other bodies out there might actually have cavities inside

1:11:19 Well, I would say if they're of any size at all whether they're gas giants or solid planets. They either have a void with a core in it that's rotating at different speeds than the crusts or they have no core at all but they are hollow. That is so interesting and I guess you can just tell us one at time Even our sun is hollow that why its pole shifts every 11 years If it was solid we couldn't do that Wow, that's also not the first time I've heard that but it has only been brought to my attention very recently and we think of the Sun as so large. To think there is an empty cavity inside that...I mean we think- I think of is just like a big fireball but to think that inside has a void is even stranger Yeah, we have really good observatory up there called SDO The Solar Dynamic Observatory

1:12:20 And it takes a stereographic look. And so we get really nice visual data from the sun, which we don't get from SOHO, which is just basically an infrared chip that has a disk that blocks out the sun so that it doesn't burn up. It just looks at the corona of the Sun. So you can see things like flares and filaments and CMEs, but the SDO actually looks right at the surface of the sun with an H-alpha lens. And we've discovered things about the sun that we just never knew before. We couldn't know without that SDO in place. Wow! That's awesome man. Outside of that is there anything super compelling about those discoveries that is worth pointing out? Well you know some of it I mean there's a jet stream on the Sun

1:13:14 So it has an atmosphere, it is a solid crust. It's not just the big ball of fire actually has mass all that stuff to you know we just discovered so things that we thought we knew about our son five years ago are now fable now know better And they're so slow to change those school textbooks about when they make these discoveries too, which is a sad thing. Oh well Yeah, well there's a federal push to have all the textbooks say the same thing yeah You know on the subject of our solar system It also seems like we're recording a lot of atmospheric and temperature changes all throughout The solar system rather than just on the earth right?

1:14:01 Yeah, but listen that gets kind of sensationalized. We have Cassini which orbits Saturn and it's been up there for a little over 19 years about 19 1⁄2 years I think but Saturn's orbit around the Sun is 68 years So, we don't even know if it's springtime or summertime or winter time on Saturn because it hasn't even gone around the Sun one time since we've had that satellite in place. Of course the temperature could be going up. It could be getting closer to the Sun as part of its ellipse around the sun where it is closer to the sun or the northern hemispheres facing the sun like we do in our summer time

1:14:44 So, to say that it's getting warmer on Saturn is disingenuous until we've looked at it at least for 68 years. Right, yeah. You definitely would want a huge sample size when you're talking about things that have been around for so long and there's a lot of obviously misinformation and manipulation in that department but when they also try to tell us that the earth is heating up because of CO2 emissions you can look out at other bodies that don't have human beings all over them and say it seems like their temperature is raising too I guess it kind of just throws a wrench in the whole idea That it's us doing this Would you say?

1:15:22 Yeah, I would definitely say so. And there are people taking license with the data for instance, I saw one of the senators, I believe it was Harry Reid holding up a study that was released by NOAA that said 2014 was the warmest year on record and I said wait a minute now...I read that study so I wanted to open it up again and I read And that's not what it said. What it said was there was a 38% chance 2014 was the warmest year on record Actually 2011 was the warmest year on record and 2012, 2013 and 2014 were all cooler than this year! Wow! And if you go to ArcticIce.com and look at the actual red ice data Red Ice is ice that

1:16:21 Survive the summer freezes in winter but it survives the summer where is the same levels of red ice now that we were at nineteen eighty one which is when we first started collecting the data. So when people say will climate change is upon us, I do have to agree when they talk about global warming i have to disagree vehemently there's no evidence whatsoever that the planet is net warning but. The extremes between summer and winter have been remarkable in the north and southern hemispheres and what's causing that,

1:17:07 Now, the most likely thing is that Earth has tilted more on its axis. But we know that's not true. The Sun is within a millimeter of where it was at last year—the shadows of the Sun. It hasn't changed. Earth hasn't tilted any further. So what is making that difference? And I would have to say... ...that in the last five or six years of—and I'm going to use a really controversial word right here— chemtrails artificially blocking the sun's rays from reaching the surface has caused this weather extreme and use of harp those are what's causing the weather extremes not SUVs and certainly not republicans

1:17:55 That's interesting, man. I actually planned to ask you about that but there is a lot of disinformation and misinformation and speculation around chemtrails and HAARP and a lot of people attribute all kinds of possibilities to them but since you've looked at this from a scientific perspective where do you really put HAARP in chemtrails? Obviously we're talking about weather modification what are the limitations and uses really are Well, my PhD thesis was on what's called tomography in modern terms. In those days we call it long wave radiation spectroscopy. We use radio waves to examine the strata of the earth spectrographically and over the years that I developed that technology for use in oil and gas industry which paid me very well

1:18:52 I have some situations occur which i published in papers which is why. What happened happen explain that you the second i was a little roseburg oregon we're looking for a gas well for a co or a fescue farm they make side and he wanted to have his own local energy source so we're looking for a gas on this property, So I had the technology set up on the receiving end in a camper, on the back of a Ford four-wheel drive pickup truck. And the broadcasting unit was on a mobile unit which was on that little ATV so i sent the broadcast unit out into the fog that morning he got about oh I'd say three thousand feet away from me and it was kind of back at the opening of really rough

1:19:51 Ravine and get ready to head back my way and i told him go ahead turn the broadcast unit on by radio, add five or six seconds later an earthquake happened it rocked my camper where i was in the back you know what in a camper looking at equipment. Look at this screen and he gets on the radio comes back as it hey did you feel that i said yeah i felt that what was that He said, I don't know. I turned on the broadcast unit and underneath me in the dirt like underneath the ATV it sounded like a bomb went off and this wave went out across the grass towards you. We had...I didn't want to say we triggered an earthquake what i wrote in my notes at the time was there was coincidentally an earthquake at the exact moment when we turned the broadcast unit off

1:20:49 And we were using 50 watts at that time, or maybe it was 30 watts. But the point is that these long waves do set up resonance in the ground and it takes two or three minutes for it to build a resonance big enough to trigger something but this happened really quick like less than a minute That paper was read by a group who was doing a documentary on HAARP in 1997 They called me and asked me questions about it Then they flew to tennessee and the film for seven hours while i explain how technology work what was. And they started matching up with heart what is hard so they explained to me the inventor dr bernard easel told me, where are you going when it was to be used for

1:21:41 And then I asked him, what frequency are you using for the carrier? What size is the antennae. And when he told me it was almost the same frequency that I was using. It was in the same meter band. I said well if you can't do that if you use energy and not frequency here you're going to cause earth changes. You could only use a very small amount of energy how much energy are you using and they said two billion watts So I said this is not good because there's two things that can happen. Number one, you're going to heat the ionosphere and push it out into space like a big soap bubble when you do that the stratosphere is gonna move in to fill that void and when you do that use can steer the jet stream In other words you could steer weather around you could move the atmospheric river around

1:22:38 The second thing is that you're pumping energy into the ionosphere and the ions that are in there don't have a way to discharge an energy. They can't react with one another because it's too low pressure, so the only thing they can do is give off light. You're going to cause this to make light And that's why they call it the auroral research program, because every time they turned it on they caused an aurora. It put out visible light and was very close to the lavender band. I said well if real danger occurs you could form a solar tap. They said what is a solar tap? So I drew it on the board. This is what happens when you charge up lightning or thunder cloud

1:23:25 You know, it goes up to about 50 thousand feet and you have wind warm air cold there cycling around and around. It's like a Van de Graaff generator that you pump that cloud full of electrons sooner or later those electrons have the discharge and they go zapping to the ground. What happens is the ground sends up an ion path to the cloud, The resistance gets low enough that those electrons then jump out of that cloud toward ground And they keep coming in pulses of about 8-15 times a second Until enough electrons are dumped out of the cloud That it can't make the jump anymore It ends! You see that as a lightning bolt

1:24:10 Well, that's a cloud. It's 50,000 feet tall the ionosphere is 30 to 40 kilometers above the surface If we get a bolt from there it's not going to be the size of your arm it's going to be the size of a small town And when it hits the ground, it's going to vaporize about six inches of soil for every single one of those pulses. Eight to fifteen times a second until it runs out of energy and we're talking the ionosphere here this is many many many times the surface area Earth It could go for minutes before its done

1:24:56 And every single one of those pulses is like five Mount St. Helens volcanoes going off. Now, can you get the picture? Yeah man that's an incredible amount of power definitely seems like right there is a pretty elaborate weaponization possibility but I guess that kind of makes this seem minor but do you think there's any truth to the ideas or rumors that it messes with the frequency of the human mind Oh, absolutely. It's not the carrier frequency that is pretty high frequency it is the ELF or ULF those are extremely low or ultra-low frequencies that are laced on top of it

1:25:41 This is how we communicate with submarines. Submarines, of course can't communicate when they're underwater They have to come to the surface they let out a wire on the surface then they send their message to satellite The satellite sends another message down and pick it up on the wire They reel up the wire and go back under water The problem has been in years past that the Marconi effect sometimes makes it impossible to talk to those submarines privately, because the radio wave bounces all over the ionosphere and sometimes it doesn't cooperate. You know how ham radios are? What HAARP does is it allows you to manipulate the ionosphere so that you can almost pinpoint communicate with a submarine and you can send the message directly to that sub very clearly and receive it back And it's in this ULF and VLF and ELF range well

1:26:42 If you send that into the human mind or in where humans are being to put that frequency this is a sub sonic radio frequency i know that doesn't make sense but it is and trains directly with the circuitry of the brain, add it can it has three effects first of all it can take control of the autonomic system you lose control of your bowels you can pass out It can also put images in your mind. I don't know if they can actually create an image of Allah or an image of a beast, but it can cause restlessness, sleeplessness and anxiety. One time it was demonstrated by Tesla at the 1903 World's Fair.

1:27:38 And he demonstrated it on Mark Twain, Samuel Clemens one of his good friends. And Mark Twain lost control of his bowels in this suit and had to leave So that gives you an idea what these subsonics can do when they're broadcasted in this way. Harp was used in a aggressive way prior to the invasion when we were from Desert Shield to Desert Storm When the tanks arrived all those battle hard troops crawled out of those bunkers with their hands over their head saying please stop, stop this just take us prisoner do what you're gonna do we give up. They've been having heart bombarded from month before those things got there wow

1:28:30 Man, it's definitely a powerful thing then. And on the subject of harp man I have to ask you about the Joe Rogan show appearance But let me say that I definitely don't know Joe but i have had about five of his closest friends on the show and I'm A big comedy fan and kind of plugged into that community as well has the conspiracy world when this show is coming out I was very excited because I trusted Joe to do the best explorations we've seen on a mainstream TV show, but as I watched it... I didn't feel like it was an honest look. It was a blasting and dismissal of many fringe topics that do contain a lot of meat, and ever since his podcast has taken a skeptical turn that pretty much has me tuning out these days.

1:29:26 I just kind of wanted to lay that out there and ask you what, in your words, what was the experience like for you? Well that was a really good program by the way. We built a 64 cubic foot cloud chamber and you know how Santa Monica is in the summertime they can get pretty warm so we invited the film crew over and blacked out all windows we put some lights so that you could actually see the cold vapor that we could create inside this cloud chamber And we had a little miniature version of HAARP inside there that basically operates the same way. This unit puts out about 5 million volts, but very low amperage and we had it set up in there and the film crew shot their B-roll when it was about 68 degrees in there We turned on the air conditioning for awhile and cooled down and it worked phenomenally Well by the time The Star came and the cameras started rolling with him on

1:30:25 It was about eighty three in that room now do you know how hard it is to create a cloud in the room and this eighty three degrees. Is pretty hard but we did it with created the cloud. When we turned the HAARP unit on, what it does is ionizes all the water in the cloud chamber and literally within one minute that cloud will disappear. It'll go clear on you." So he wanted to know or I think Mick wanted to know if there was any heat on the unit? And I said no. The unit doesn't get hot. There's no fans on it nothing blowing around in there just electricity

1:31:03 And so I opened the door, took a screwdriver and aimed it at it. You could see the sparks jumping about one inch from the screwdriver to my hand you know? I told him that's harmless but its significant amount of voltage So then Mick went in an put his hand on me he said well it is hot No Mick It's not hot Its probably the same temperature as this room which is about 83 degrees So, Joe went forward put his hand on it and he said oh that's definitely hot. And I said well it isn't hot, it's about the same temperature in the room now some of this didn't make into the film because this is what Joe said... He said well I wouldn't want to know my balls. Right fitting? I looked at the camera and I said well there you have it Joe has a calibrated set of balls obviously that didn't make it out of the program either

1:31:56 So what happened was he was saying, I'm not seeing it. And i said well... ...I can respect that but there are millions of viewers out there with a camera and they can see it happening right before their eyes and he was really embarrassed by that It's messed up! I feel like what I saw on television the edited version did not treat you very well I didn't think Oh they made my butt look so big No, but that's what the program is designed to do and that's why I didn't react. I went quiet and when you go quiet then they got a pan away with the camera there and try to get a reaction out of me and I was a scientist and Joe is a former MMA fighter so

1:32:39 So I maintain my integrity. I didn't want to get sucked down into that, but guarantee you that if you look at that film again, you can definitely see the vapor moving around in there. And we've seen it a thousand times before these shows coming out on mainstream network that is owned by the same big six corporations and all the networks but because of Joe himself, I thought that this might be one time that we really get some exciting stuff out there and it was disappointing. And its disappointing to say that even if you think one experiment in a room thats supposed to simulate HAARP didn't work thus HAARP is bullshit and there's no conspiracy You know even if it didn't work It has nothing to do necessarily with the real array. It doesn't discredit the whole thing. I did it twice on History Channel once for

1:33:30 Jesse ventura's conspiracy theory right and once for his channel itself i built a smaller chamber but that chamber it works so fast i only had i think got hundred thousand volt unit in that one. That chamber work so fast there was unbelievable And both of those really work well because mix that way you had a fan in there to make there's no fan and they're open the door for yourself look there is no fan. Right that guy gets on my nerves he sees just meant it, yeah is this incredibly dismissive incredibly cynical things everything's a scam well i hate it too run down anybody mean im all four people that are skeptical and try to research things

1:34:13 But when you make your blog, your website, you're living out of running down and he does about 50 personalities on his website. Some of them most of them are friends of mine and very well respected scientists degreed and credentialed. Nick West is an out-of-work engineer that lives in his mom's basement. Ouch! Yeah I mean, do something positive instead of running meta-bunk. But let me ask you one more speculative question on the theme of harp and weather manipulation—more so chemtrails, but I'm really getting into the idea of corporate warfare. I think these multinationals are so powerful that they act like nations used to and I've been hearing from a couple places my friend Gordon White as well others

1:35:01 There's a lot of speculation that these droughts in Southern California or Texas, they could be weather manipulation related either harp or chemtrails or both but we know corporations have a lot of power. Is it possible that they're using this tech to choke out independent farmers and then buy up the land when they go broke and then make it rain once they've come in and bought the land cheap? Well, it's possible but remember the harp that is in Alaska is not the only one. The one off the coast of Southern California is not the only one there are 17 other harp units and when you look at them they're all established in high mineral deposit areas They're used for this earth tomography same system that I built in the 80s using low wattage When they're turned on

1:35:49 They can be used to literally attack another country with no fingerprints. So I'm going to go so far as to say that it's not our harp that is creating the high-pressure ridge in front of California, I think it's another country's harp that's causing that high pressure ridge in front of California forcing the jet stream to go north over Alaska making Amazingly warm temperatures in alaska this time of year and then coming down across the arctic. Down across canada into the midwest i mean today it was seventy two degrees in north carolina

1:36:33 Yeah, it's messed up. The idea that these droughts could be engineered whoever is behind it is kind of a new concept but its definitely something we should keep in mind when we're seeing record-breaking events and weather in the modern world because it can be manipulated so you gotta look at it Especially when it's coupled with chemtrails Because the chemtrails although they are really effective at reflecting infrared radiation They lens the UV and that can be devastating to microbes living near the surface. Damn, we got a lot to look out for and there's not a lot of people giving us the real information about what's happening. And I know we're getting kind of down to the wire here The last real big thing I kinda wanted to ask you about was Planet X Do you put any stock in the idea that there is a planet in our solar system? That We aren't told about that has maybe an elliptical orbit or maybe it's hard to see Is there any indication that could be the case well a lot of times we have to take

1:37:35 Data from perturbation without actually having the source of the perturbation i had mr broussard on my program escort radio few weeks back and we discussed this any kind of but you know all those eggs in one basket instead look if it doesn't happen by this date which is i think sometime in september then you know i really don't want to say he. And others believe that there's a significant gravitational body that's inside our solar system now, but is somehow not illuminated by our sun in a way where we can see it. And I've seen lots and lots of pictures and video at dawn and sunset people say that they have this body or that body in place but I just don't trust cameras lens flares are just too hard to

1:38:33 Figure out for me when i'm looking at someone else's screen i want to see it on film. Do a telescope or with my own eyes and then i'll see if that i look in the same direction, did they tell me to look and i don't see anything on the other hand we are seeing pretty anomalous spike earthquakes volcanoes That's pretty incredible. That is an indication that we are getting some kind of gravitational perturbation from something, the crust is responding to something If it's Planet X I'll be amazed and afraid at the same time It's not Planet X, its got to be something And I think with enough people looking in enough directions there are enough cell phones, enough amateur telescopes Something is going to show up that convincing

1:39:31 Yeah, that's a fair response. You know I don't really ask very many people about Planet X but this morning i actually had two emails come in where people were like would you please ask someone about Planet X? And I'm like well I'm talking to Brooks today and I know that he'd be able talk about it a little bit and I think that's pretty fair answer but I'm kind of with ya...I just haven't really seen any indication..i mean its interesting It's interesting but I do want to see as well and I kinda won't give too much attention until I see something Well, if it's on the other side of the sun the way that they claim and it's in our solar plane so that it doesn't peak up or poke down into northern or southern hemisphere too much. It means that its revolving around the sun at the same rate we are because were going around that Sun about 18 1⁄2 miles per second We should be able to get around the other side and see it but it has been years and we haven't seen it

1:40:28 Now that's compelling and I really never considered that it could just be right on the other side at the same rate of orbit as us. Usually, the idea is like some wild elliptical orbit that goes way out there and comes back in but the idea that its actually just lockstep with us... That's pretty fascinating! Who knows what could be on that surface? Yeah thats true well when we look up into night sky if you have a dark sky your area of the country You can see the Milky Way splayed up there, right? And you can see that the Milky Way changes as the night goes on. It rotates and it doesn't stay pointed in the same direction because Earth's rotating and we're also going around the Sun All of the other stars that you see off that Milky Way are above or below the solar plane So we could see for a long long way We should be able to see that Yeah

1:41:28 Man brooks this has been amazing a real pleasure i feel like we covered a whole lot of ground would you would like to tell the people about x squared or anything else you got going on that they should know about. Share x square radios every sunday evening from 8 to 11 on the truth frequency radio network it's free and archive is free for six days after each program We have exciting guests, we talk about in-depth subjects and all kinds of science including political science and economic science. And you'll probably enjoy it so tune in sometime! Very cool awesome man well thanks so much hopefully we'll get the evidence of that hole soon enough but until then take care yourself alright man? Alright thanks Greg! Alright have a good one

1:42:14 Alright freaks and geeks, there we have it. I thought that was a fun one! Always like to guest you can talk about the Hollow Earth idea and we had couple other good topics to flesh out the full show with Alternative Energy, Electric Trucks, The Whole Expedition Saga, The Missing Film Crew And of course, the exact coordinates that Brooks expects to find the hole at 86 degrees north and 143 degrees east. Boom! Mark it. I hope one day THC is big enough that I can just drop whatever money needs to be dropped to get proof. A kickstarter isn't a bad idea but i'd like to keep it simple Who can do flyover? How much is it? Let's go. I got plenty free time No need hype up. No need start big campaign. Just go film it and call it a day

1:43:00 And maybe we'll get there eventually, but as far as this episode's concerned after all the Hollow Earth talk and The Plus Show We got into some other anecdotal evidence for the hollow earth. The raw skull that apparently goes north to nest discovered by Brooks' own personal lineage apparently? We talked about the ring of carcasses mammoths and mastodons that allude animals coming out of something...to the north We talked about Brooks' description of how the whole is comprised, because I think that's kind of tough to visualize sometimes. We talked about strangeness in the new discoveries of the suns composition. The climate changes around the solar system harp and chemtrails and weather modification oh my!

1:43:37 Planet X and Brooks's experience on the sci-fi show Joe Rogan Questions Everything, which I've said before. I was disappointed in that show. I do like Joe Rogan as a comedian and I like his podcast a lot of the time And of course have had Duncan Trussell Ari Shafir Joey Diaz and Daniele Bolelli on THC So I liked that crew on a lot of things like Psychonaut topics and carving out your own path working on your weaknesses rather than ignoring them and I've noticed there's been some listeners tweeting about Joe and I doing a podcast together, and I appreciate that enthusiasm. He is one of the original Podfathers and to sit at that table would be quite an honor. I don't know if i've done quite enough yet to deserve that but maybe someday And I'd also like to get Duncan back on or something if possible. I just love that first show we did

1:44:25 But since the early days of THC, I've kind of separated the show from my love for comedy and for the most part it'll probably stay that way. but sometimes it is tempting to use my newfound clout for selfish reasons And you know, as time goes on I hope i can do more interesting appearances. I thought the all out show on SiriusXM went well If anybody saw Isaac Weishaupt's appearance...I mean dear god Callers called him psychotic, racist Called his book a waste of paper and ink It was pretty brutal He did all he could do But, it almost seemed like a different show. I feel bad for the guy but anyway... I'm gonna be meeting up with Chris Jericho Believe it or not in late July when he's in San Diego to be a guest on his show And we'll take it from there If you guys keep recommending me to people I'll keep doing what I can To make the weird world known to the masses

1:45:17 Either way, we're trucking along. Thanks to everybody who signs up for THC+. Keep in mind the Money Bomb is coming back around next show I think i've given away six or seven grand since the money bomb started and this one is going to be about 300 bucks or so I think it's pretty stable now because the reoccurring payments aren't as random As it used to be before The Plus Thing And I think it's a pretty unique thing for a podcast to do So I like doing it So good luck, but that's it for me this week. If you want to fly or sail me to the Hollow Earth opening You just let me know and we'll make the magic happen But until that day your move elusive entities of the hidden underworld Your frickin' move Well they tied that yellow ribbon round the oak tree They've worn out all their prayer in there all along Thought they were rooting for the home team

1:46:12 As they're sent to the game and torn apart We twist this tourniquet upon the pipeline That it carries all the pain and wounds As we blindly clap in cheer from the sidelines It's clear, Arnold was intrigued from the very start And that's where they found me In a life cemetery A smoking gun in my a** I'm down for the end of the THC The American scream They took that faded ribbon off the oak tree They've worn out all hope in their hearts For so long thought I was doing right Now I'm lying in a pool of my blood And that's where they found me

1:47:29 In the cemetery A smoking gun in my hand From the land of the free Sing with me And that's where they found In the cemetery A smoking gun in my hand Now I'm down from the land Of the THC The American scream! American scream

1:48:20 And that's where they found me, in the cemetery A smoking gun and a mug down from the land of the free Sing with me, the Americans scream