Brien Foerster | Elongated Skulls, Lost Continents, & Ancient Tech

00:05 That's true, Dr. Seuss! Alright, Hireside Chatters. I think we know by now that even today's world has no shortage of mysteries but take a look into the ancient past and the unknown elements can seem damn near infinite from lost civilizations and lost continents to mysterious megaliths an elongated skulls

00:58 There seems to be plenty of areas where new discoveries have thrown some serious wrenches into the conventional historical timeline with data the mainstream would rather ignore, destroy or obscure despite the best efforts of our true champions of progress in human story reconstruction like today's guest Brian Forrester. Brian has been to over 90 countries trying to get a better handle on the world, but his expertise lies in the ancient megalithic works found in Peru, Bolivia Mexico Easter Island Egypt and Lebanon mainly as well As these strange elongated skulls found that are in desperate need of an explanation He's written a staggering 20 plus books And has uploaded over 850 videos related to hidden history and megalithic sites on is epically robust YouTube channel

01:42 A real life Indiana Jones archetype and no doubt knowledgeable guest that I'm definitely psyched to have here. Brian, my man welcome to the higher side! My pleasure, Greg. Thank you so much! Yeah thanks for doing it I know this is going to be a lot of fun your accomplishments are impressive and your dedication is pretty inspiring clearly there's a lot the history books have gotten wrong one of these things we haven't covered nearly enough here are those elongated skulls or the Paracas skulls as they're known. Paracas of course indicates a particular culture but How widespread are these elongated skull findings? Are they all over the planet or concentrated in more specific areas? Well, cranial deformation has been performed on all of the continents except Antarctica most commonly about 2,000 years ago. So a lot of different cultures would bind the heads of the babies of their royalty and nobility in order to make them physically look different from the general public.

02:42 Right, and I have seen a lot of people talking about that cradleboarding or intentional warping of a child's soft malleable skull. But there are several examples that clearly wouldn't fit into the category of being manipulated right? It seems like it's natural to a degree in some minority of cases Yeah, 100% of the academics state quite emphatically that all examples of elongated skulls are the result of cranial deformation. But we've found examples here in the Paracas area where there are skulls which are quite a bit larger than normal in terms of cranial volume and there other physical characteristics which make them different from what we call Homo sapiens sapiens

03:28 And as far as people doing it intentionally or cultures doing it intentionally, their motivations apparently are kind of interesting. Right? Yeah, the basic consensus is when descendants of these people have been able to be asked. Why did your ancestors do this? They would say it makes our children more intelligent We find it aesthetically pleasing and that is what the ancestors looked like That last point is definitely a head scratcher but As a general conspiracy guy, I'm always interested in questions dealing with the elite and power and bloodlines of today or any era. And there's definitely an element of that in what we know about these skulls right? That it had to do with the upper echelons of society

04:16 Yeah, almost exclusively whether it was in Europe or Western Asia the Middle East Melanesia even Australia and various other local all through Central and parts of South America. It's almost exclusively just the nobility whose heads were shaped that way in order so that the general public could easily identify who their rulers were Hmm, provocative stuff. And so what other characteristics? You mentioned some certain features in the more natural elongated skulls that might be worth noting surprisingly a lot of them are mummified and seemingly quite well preserved right

04:58 Yeah, it's astonishing. The area where I'm at which is Paracas in Peru is the northern part of the Atacama Desert so we get about half an inch of rainfall a year and It's all desert in this area its uplifted ancient ocean So the sand contains salt And so that combination of dryness and salt has been remarkable at preserving these ancient people even better than in Egypt Wow, so I guess some of that is environmental rather than through advanced preservation practice?

05:34 Yeah, in this area they don't seem to have had a really advanced mummification process like in Egypt with wrapping and different oils and waxes and things like that being used. It's simply that the ground is so dry that they've been able to excavate and pull out textiles 2,000 years old that look like they were made maybe five or ten years ago. Hmm... That's pretty awesome! So, these naturally elongated skulls. A couple other things about them... larger eye sockets apparently and where the spine connects to the skull is a little different than typical Homo sapiens sapien if I understand correctly?

06:16 Yeah, it's an ongoing process that we're doing. We're trying to get as many medical professionals involved as possible to look at the anomalies and as you stated the eye sockets are larger than normal they tend to be more vertical and larger also where the spinal cord and vertebra enter the skull underneath, the position of what's called the form and magnum which is the hole in the bottom of this girl is much farther back than normal so that would probably be an evolutionary thing you know to be able to balance these cone headed skulls also there tends to be one suture line on top of the school which is missing. And then there are two holes in the back of the skull which seem to be for blood and nerve flow

07:02 Yeah, those two holes. I just thought that was so interesting and the...I guess the cranial stitching that's missing what do you think that would indicate? That's pretty curious It's very curious and any physician who has seen these in person with me, they say that there is supposed to be a suture line there. And I don't understand why it is not there? That's the most interesting thing about having medical professionals because they know very well the shape and design of human skeleton when they see anomalies like this they simply shake their heads because its not in any of their textbooks.

07:44 Do we know much about the Paracas culture outside of that they had some interesting skulls? Well, it's actually one of the least researched cultures in all of Peru. The famous Inca have been studied for hundreds of years by many different academics but the Paracas haven't been studied at all since about the 1960s and you would think the elongated skull by itself would create a lot of curiosity and study. Another anomaly is the fact that they had genetically red hair, which is thinner than normal Native American hair and it's also wavy. Hair experts who have studied the hair say that it's much more Caucasian than Native American.

08:29 Right. I noted that for sure, that the reddish brown hair seems to be one of the main elements of interest. What more can we gather from that trait? Well, when you trace back where red hair originates it is from the Middle East. So the Celtic people like the Scots and the Irish who were famous for bright red hair are likely descended from Middle Eastern ancestors and the hair that we're looking at is actually more auburn. It's so it's a very fiery red-brown and that's typical of certain parts of the Middle East up until this day there were a couple quotes

09:09 In a few of your books where I felt like people were equating this also to some areas of Europe or Nordic descent, which I thought was... Nordic. I thought was a little strange for red hair Well, actually no. If you look at the migration patterns into Western Europe there were people with red hair whose ancestors thousands of years ago moved in to areas such as Scandinavia through Russia and actually Russia means the land of the red hair so that's a migration pattern mainly from it seems the origin seems to be somewhere around the Caucasus, the Caspian Sea and the Black Sea

09:53 Hmm. That's very interesting and like you mentioned the Paracas culture, one of the least researched cultures but is there any insights we can get from the Incas or any other surrounding cultures of their day where they talked about it all? Well, the Paracas disappeared about 2,000 years ago and the Inca rose about 1,000 years ago. But one of the connections I'm starting to develop is that the earliest Spanish chronicles talk about them seeing people with red hair and blonde hair in Cusco which really shocked them because they literally wrote in their accounts these people have lighter skin than we do so

10:37 Because red hair is directly associated with very light skin, it's quite possible that the Paracas when they were being exterminated about 2000 years ago that some of them were able to escape on an ancient trail or road eastward into the highlands of Peru and wound up as partial ancestors of the Inca who came later. Right on. So there's also stories in North America of giants, I don't hear elongated skulls associated quite so often but i do hear red hair associated fairly often and there are some apparently legends from Native American tribes that they used to do battle with red headed giants? I don't know how much stock you put into those stories, I guess they have varying degrees of credibility but have you looked at that angle at all?

11:31 Yeah, actually I've been a student of Native American studies since I was about 10 years old and I put a lot of credence in their oral tradition. So there are numerous native people of the past or tribal groups who speak about you know...I don't know if giant is the correct term but very tall people who were there when the native people arrived and they did do battle with them and eventually wiped them out Yeah, and there are a lot of stories around the world. Oral traditions that do talk about visits from fair-skinned people apparently and also red hair is mentioned a decent amount but how often is an elongated skull highlighted in these stories because you think if they had that characteristic that would be the top of the description chart?

12:23 Yeah you would think so i wrote a book called the plume serpent which is about. Native american native south america stories of ancient teachers who arrived in the distant past to had full beards light colored hair and like color skin One term used is the Viracochins, another is Quetzalcoatl and another is Kukulkan. And these were ancient teachers that arrived and instructed the people supposedly coming from some distant eastern land Right. And that's really interesting because Quetzalcoatl, you know in mainstream culture often talked about as a deity of a feathered serpent and I guess your contention is that was actually based on a real teacher or is this still allegory? No, I think it's based on real teachers one of the problems with interpreting

13:15 Native oral tradition is that it tends to be quite poetic. It's not like point-to-point facts So they tend to flower especially over the course of time They they flower the original story but I think the origin is likely based on untrue because we're learning more and more that The migration of people around the world was much more extensive than what? We've been taught in history books, right and there does seem to be a curious connection between reptiles and teachers or elevators of mankind when it comes to a lot of these indigenous tribes. You could even draw parallel to the serpent in the Garden of Eden, but what do you make of that tie-in? Well I think a lot of it in recent times has been really overblown if you look at the symbolism itself again because native oral tradition is quite poetic and

14:09 For example with the culture they had three animals that were very important totem to them one was the serpent another what's the puma and the third is the condor. So those are also levels of consciousness so this represents the subconscious the puma is the conscious and the condor is the superconcious so if you put those three together In a very powerful teacher person i think that's where the term feathered serpent comes from it's a combination of these three levels of consciousness but people have tendency then to say well they were obviously you know two legged reptiles that had feathers the walk around

14:53 And had to be alien right so i mean look at the griffin and you got the whole trifecta there yeah, yeah you find that in many parts of the world where you have a special the serpent is the serpent represented wisdom too so many different cultures and then a bird. would represent the connection with the divine because of the fact they can fly so high. Yeah, it's just so interesting and curious that so many cultures that apparently didn't communicate arrived at some of the same symbolism! Yeah, that could be a basic component of human consciousness rather than it being taught from one side of the world to the other It might be a very root understanding we have as human beings

15:38 That's true. That's true, can't discount that possibility and the condor is kind of interesting because of course Graham Hancock he is very adamant about this pillar at Gobekli Tepe having significance and it of course has a kind of cartoonish condor on it Yeah, that and also I think there are depictions of cats as well. You know the feline or the cat is another great symbol that is international in terms of ancient oral tradition Hmm...I love that stuff! And so to get back to the elongated skulls apparently a lot of them are found around Tiwanaku and Pumapunku in Peru which of course are a pair of

16:21 many megalithic sites being talked about now. But what can you tell us about those sites that make them so interesting to you? Well, the interesting thing is because I've been traveling around in South America for years and have visited sites like Puma Punku and Tiwanaku—I've been there more than 50 times Again, of course I wrote a book and the book is about the elongated skulls of Peru and Bolivia. And in general wherever we find a megalithic site if there isn't on-site museum will find evidence of elongated skulls having lived there.

16:58 And maybe you can help clarify something for me, but are these two separate sites or kind of the same site? What draws the distinction between the two because I think I understand them to be on the same plateau. Right? Yeah they're right next door to each other it's It's kind of tiresome to have to say Tiwanaku and Pumapunku because historically they are the same location. It's just that when they decided to preserve them, they built one fence around one and one fence around another and then a ticket window at one and a ticket window at the other so one has a sign saying Tiwanaku and another has a sign saying Pumapunku but when you look at the megalithic nature of the original construction it's the same site

17:42 Mm-hmm. Okay makes a lot of sense and it is located on this plateau that a lot of people talk about if you've seen pictures, it's definitely an impressive view Do you think that Plateau is natural because some people suggest that? It might have been laid as the base for this Puma Punku complex Yeah, it's got a really interesting history because the conventional story which you know, as usual doesn't make any sense is that it was a Bronze Age culture called the Tiwanaku who constructed all of this and some of the stonework would be very difficult to replicate today with modern high-tech power tools so that...you have to throw that story out immediately. So when you look farther back in time, the great researcher of that area was called Poznansky

18:31 And he was able to do measurements of the precession of the equinox, which measures the wobble of the Earth. So by using that principle you can measure how many degrees off a site is from perfect true north-south east and west he believed that Puma Punku and Tiwanaku were originally constructed about 15,000 years ago which scholars throw out the window but if you look at that time period it at least 12,000 years ago Lake Titicaca was 100 feet higher than it is today and so its shoreline would have been at Tiwanaku and Puma Punku. So it does seem like this

19:10 the site was built up in order to make sure that it was slightly higher than the lake level and therefore, it could have been a port of some kind. Interesting! And I guess with this date of 15 000 years old would that put it more in line with the Paracas time period? Are you are you uh... of the mindset that they had something to do with the building? Uh no because the Tiwanaku culture did have elongated skulls but they basically are the result of cranial deformation. So they existed between 2,000 and 1,000 years ago The conventional story of the Paracas which is still an open book is that they spontaneously arrived in this area about 800 BC And then disappeared about 100 AD Okay so I wasn't quite sure how far back They went I actually thought it was going to be a lot further back 800 BC

20:07 It's kind of a little surprising. Well, that's the conventional timeline we don't know yet That's why we're planning on doing a lot of radiocarbon testing samples from the Paracas to see their exact age and I'm still trying to research where their first location of habitation is. Right Interesting. So also I wanted to ask about there's actually a long strip of land called the Path of Veracocha, where apparently a lot of interesting things are found including the stuff we're talking about right? Yeah it's really interesting it's an energetic line its part of the Earths grid system of energy It goes from

20:47 more or less the north coast of Peru, where Peru meets Ecuador down in a southeasterly direction and along that line are almost all of the ancient megalithic sites including Tiwanaku, The Island Of The Sun, Machu Picchu, Cusco itself and other locations. That brings in the kind of esoteric idea that these sites were used energetically Yeah, I really am intrigued by that perspective. With my limited understanding, I don't necessarily know how they could be used but what does your research show? What do you think some of the possibilities of how they could have used this grid would be?

21:28 Well, again the main thing we have to do is throw the conventional archaeological ideas out the window because these sites are clearly older than any known culture of the area. And of course we can get into Egypt as well which is another area that is all about that And so the megalithic work had to have been done using forms of high technology and in some cases, technology beyond our capability which most people won't accept. But that is the fact because we've taken many engineers and stonemasons to these locations and when they see the precision of the stonework they say I don't know how i could do that. And that's another interesting question I had for you is some researchers talk about because

22:15 Utilization of something like a global energy grid they, they think that maybe there was a global culture do you think that's necessary or do you think it could have been just like higher society than we typically thing kind of like today but not necessarily one community. Well i think there were at least three ancient highly evolved societies i don't think there was one and the reason why i think that is the construction techniques that we see are quite different. The work in peru and bolivia tends to be very organic very polygonal shape stones, the tightly fit together when you go to egypt it's much more cubic linear

22:58 And then puma poker and two are unique on the planet that is no building technique that was used anywhere else except there right now architecture usually what you gotta look at because you know you can see the differences in In their lies, some insight into who made them. But I've also heard some researchers talking about like Richard Casaro talks about the trip tick the idea that there is a three doorway design found in architecture all over the planet maybe not at the time depths we're talking about of course but it's a curious thing too that suggests some kind of intermingling

23:37 Yeah, it's quite possible. It is also possible that due to the energetic nature of these complexes that either by using the energetic grid or by other means there was communication between ancient civilizations that were quite far apart. Right! I think that is a fascinating possibility – they could be used for communication… How can we visualize how that would work? Well, I think to kind of overdo it would be to say that they were like stargates. But I think portal is a much more useful term because we see these very strange depressions in stone walls especially around the Cusco area quite often the size of our refrigerator so somebody can stand up inside this solid stone depression

24:33 Usually the stone contains quartz crystal, which of course is used in electronics in modern times. So it's quite possible that the stone was specifically selected for its energetic properties in order to be able to utilize the Earth's energy to amplify that energy and be able to direct it either through sound or possibly even vision or video of some kind. Wow, vision or video I think is pretty awesome portals typically indicate travel and i have seen those things you're talking about those little stone doorways that are carved out of stone and it just looks like

25:12 man, maybe there was an extra piece there at some point or something. But has there been very many anomalous type of elements found around these areas that could maybe connect to some type of technology? Well, the interesting thing is that we're looking at a level of knowledge which is theoretical to us because they don't seem to have appeared to use technology as we see it like you know this computer that i'm looking at the buttons and glass front and stuff like that so that's what makes a very difficult to figure out but if it makes it very intriguing and i think it's also the reason why standard academia, run away from these topics or make fun of them because its way beyond their capability to even attempt to figure out

26:03 Right, right. You know we talked a little bit about oral traditions can you tell us about any oral traditions that describe these areas or what they were used for as portals or as technology? Well, actually there's one location which is called the Coricancha. Which is in the center of Cusco which was the capital of the Inca and it's... The precision of its construction is absolutely astonishing you can't fit a human hair in the joints between the stones It's that precise so the the Inca You know Of course it said the Inca built this and they made if their holy of holies but There's no way the Inca could have built

26:43 that structure because they were a Bronze Age technology and the stone was utilized is basalt which is very hard, and the quarry is something like 45 kilometers away. And you're looking at millions of pounds of stone so I think what happened is that because they were spiritual people they were able to pick up that when they were in the center of the core can't you get the energy was slightly different and it would put them into a slightly alternate state of consciousness and so i think thats why they used it as their holy of holies but I think originally, the power or energy that was being generated was much higher than even when the Inca found it ruins.

27:29 That's interesting. And some researchers have also pointed out that in ancient cultures, Egypt in particular there seems to be a much closer connection between their spirituality and technology than there is today at least on the surface but have you given any thought to that aspect and how closely those things do seem interrelated in the past? Yeah i think there was so much more of a whole brain approached in the past. I think that people you know net now we're hyper specialist and areas where is it thinking in the past people love, the noble spiritual class were probably disciplined in many different areas and utilize both the left and right brain in order to develop

28:13 a more substantial concept of consciousness and awareness. Yeah, it seems like that might be slightly better approach to life but another question I had for you about that path of Veracoccia apparently there are several caves there with ancient burial sites and ancient elongated mummified skulls or skeletons always interested in caves and deep caverns into the earth. Is there anything else you can tell us about these caves or some of the more intriguing finds from inside them? Yeah, actually well caves were used a lot for burial

28:50 Especially there's a major complex called Ollantaytambo, which is part Inca and part megalithic. The basic thing we know about the Incas is that they discovered when they first entered Cusco in the Sacred Valley they found ancient sites in ruins as if they had been destroyed by some cataclysm and so they adopted them and made them religious spiritual sites but few months ago My wife and i want to see the last inca drawbridge which is made out of natural rope. There's to be hundreds of them but now there's only one left and on the way back from their because our taxi driver was local and quite informed about, the ancient cultures he took us to the opening

29:34 I have a tunnel that we went into three or four hundred yards but unfortunately we didn't bring. Decent flashlights with us because this whole thing was a surprise but he insisted that it continued on for six kilometers and there was a big lake at the end of it deep in inside the bedrock Wow, that is right up my alley. I love to hear stories like that underground lakes lore of underground civilizations. There are quite a bit of ant farm-like tunnels carved all under the underground. Not necessarily carved but some are natural and there are some that seem artificial all around the globe

30:18 Yeah, and there are lots of stories in Cusco from old people that there's a whole underground system of tunnels under like underneath Cusco. Which is super ancient and a French team did some mapping with a helicopter I think it was using ground penetrating radar and they found that there's a tunnel that connects an ancient site called Sacsayhuaman to the Coricancha that I just spoke of in Cusco. So, that's at least one-and-a-half kilometers or a mile long Gosh, it's so impressive. And it's so odd because you would think that it'd be easier to travel between these places along the surface rather than cutting a huge underground tunnel or if its natural building sites above a tunnel so that you could travel between them I guess might the suggestion be that the environment was different at that time? Or there would be some reason why they would travel underground rather than on the surface

31:19 Well, it's hard to really know at this point. The entrance to the tunnel has been blocked at both ends by the government because people kept going in and disappearing or whatever but... That should be people's right to disappear! It well it shouldn't you shouldn't be able to risk it if you want to so it's unknown whether that That tunnel is natural or not, or whether it was manufactured or not. But I do know that there is a huge system of tunnels in the Giza Plateau area of Egypt because I've been underground to the third level and that was only possible through a local guide who was able to get permission to be able to do that but he said there are probably at least another 10 levels of tunnels that go deeper and deeper

32:10 Yeah, I thought that was really interesting. That was one of the books that I was able to read of yours thanks for sharing those with me and you also indicate that something about the way the Giza Plateau's underground tunnels are carved suggests that The Sphinx would be a lot older than the Great Pyramid or it helps to kind of coordinate which came first Is that right? Yeah It's likely that the the Sphinx was first And the tunnel system we're talking about, they're not carved into sand. They are carved into the bedrock which is limestone so it's quite possible that the Giza Plateau itself underground connects with other locations like Karnak and also the Valley of Kings and Valley of Queens because even though the pharaohs buried their dead

33:01 In this vast system of tunnels in the Valley of Kings and Valley of Queens, it's hardly likely that they actually made the tunnels themselves. It's more likely that they discovered them. Right yeah you say in the book they were just using what they had and I think that makes perfect sense Yeah, and also if you go to the Valley of the Kingston and walk down in one of these tunnels. You see the precision of cutting and the fact that it would be basically impossible for Bronze Age Egyptian workers to carve these tunnels which are hundreds upon hundreds of feet long and easily tall enough to be able to walk through. And as for the tunnels is it that they connect most

33:46 major sites on the plateau except for the Sphinx. Is that why we think it kind of gives us clues about the timing? Well, actually the tunnels go underneath this thing so it's more at the weathering up the Sphinx that has created quite a stir. It was Dr Robert Shock who is an American geologist and when he first saw the Sphinx he noticed there were vertical weathering lines And so of course the Egyptologists say well It's 5,000 years old and we get sandstorms and the sand would have eroded the surface. But when he looked at the vertical lines, he said that could only be done by rain —and we're talking a lot of rain— so by looking at climate models, he was able to figure out that the last time substantial rain occurred in the Giza Plateau area was at least 10-12 thousand year ago which is twice the age of the dynastic Egyptian civilization

34:44 Yeah, I love that. It does seem to be pretty good evidence So I also wanted to jump to some kind of weird stuff that I've seen from you on your website and in pictures One of them would be this amphibian humanoid being skull that was found in a cave labyrinth in Peru apparently it wasn't the only one but it has to be one of the most interesting heads I've ever seen Yeah, that's I kind of hesitated to even show it because it is so bizarre. When we were in Cusco about two and a half months ago, I was sent photographs of that little skull and of course It looked like it was fake or made out of paper mache or something like that but the man who has it contacted me and said would you like this? Or I said can't I see it

35:37 And when we actually want to see it you can tell that it was once some kind of life form my training is in biology. Also good for them they took it and also this very large three finger hand. To be x rayed in cusco hospital and the radiologist who Both took the x-rays and examined these artifacts said yeah I think these are you know, these were once life forms of some kind. I don't know what but they don't seem to be fake any he kept insisting These are not fake this is bone this is skin what it is? I don't know

36:19 And I love that three fingered hand as well. It's got fingers that are much longer than ours at first I thought it was the bones of some type of fin without the blubber on it But that theory was tossed out the window when you zoom in on the fingernails and That's a little creepy, but it is clearly a hand of some kind Yeah You know The elongated skulls are one thing but these I was in complete shock with and we happen to have two local Native healers slash shamans with us looking at them and i guess the difference between north america and europe in terms of mentality is that. Native people tend to be a little more open minded than when i said what do you think these are they just look and said well they look alien

37:05 Aliens and UFOs are very much accepted in places like Mexico and Peru. Yeah, I've heard that because they apparently see them so often it isn't really a big deal So yeah that mummified amphibian humanoid It looks like a frogman's head or something but Apparently, yeah. From the x-rays it shows that there are sinus cavities in it. There's plenty of indications that it was a real thing Can you tell us about anything else? Was this three fingered hand found near the frog skull Again it's not based on me visiting the actual location because that is very controversial at the moment but the basic story we were given was that these two specimens are from either a cave or labyrinth in the Nazca area of Peru which is just south of me here.

37:57 And they were found in a large stone sarcophagus containing numerous other body parts of odd looking beings. And that the white material that's on the surface is actually the clay of the area, it's what the ground is made up So they could have been sitting in this stone box for hundreds, if not thousands of years. I keep making inquiries as to going to see the location but unfortunately what's happening is the people who control the site and area are selling these odd artifacts off, I guess, to foreigners and so they don't want anyone there because if the government finds out where this location

38:39 they will immediately move in and grab it as an ancient historical site. So these people are supposedly quite armed, and dangerous but I am still trying to negotiate to try to go even if they have to blindfold me or something. if there is more to this, but the two people who are acquainted with these objects they're very honest people. They don't want to make money from this they're just curious like we are as to what these things are and hopefully DNA testing will be done and radiocarbon to see how old they are. Yeah absolutely I would love to know more about them but yeah unfortunately it's just is what it is right now

39:21 But, you know studying oral traditions as you have is there anything in the area in terms of oral stories or traditions that could tie into these findings? There's so many stories as you mentioned about people having sightings mainly of glowing orbs, flying saucers and discs etc. It is widely accepted that off planetary beings have been visiting this area especially around Lake Titicaca in Nazca for thousands of years and local people don't understand our fascination because they've heard from their parents and grandparents and great-grandparents about Contact your sites or visitation some things like that.

40:01 I love it. It's such a different type of way to handle things than the way we do over here, it's just fun to hear about how different it is To switch gears slightly Of course I couldn't read all your books but I did read a couple and I really liked Crimson Horizon in particular where you talk about the mysteries of Easter Island which is kind of in the neighborhood of these areas were discussing What do you find most intriguing about Easter Island? And can it really be tied back to these areas in Peru Very much so. It's all part of looking at the migration pattern and ancient migration patterns of people because it is quite likely that the Paracas, for example did not originate on the coast of Peru they could have come from somewhere farther to the west

40:46 And what makes Easter Island pivotal is that it would be for maritime people or travelers, it would be a perfect stopping place if you were going east or west because its ancient name literally means the land of flowing water or weeping waters. Because there are giant caverns inside the island which are storehouses of water Due to its volcanic nature, there are also ancient oral traditions that when the first people who were there pre-polynesian that there were blonde and red hair people with light skin of quite tall stature who the polynesians first encountered probably two thousand years ago and even when. Van roger vien who was the first european to land their needs the one who called it easter island he noted in his ships log that he saw people who are dark complexion like complexion black hair red hair blonde hair tall and short

41:45 Hmm a multicultural center of sorts it seems yeah, well very much at crossroads Yeah, and another element that was interesting. What about this rongo-rungo tablet? Apparently no other Polynesian culture had a hieroglyphic system But this seems to be something in that neighborhood right very much so know what their Polynesian you know the Polynesian cultures have Not even higher class but they're petroglyphs and that they tend to be quite simple like you'll see a stick figure of a person or dog. The symbol of the sun something like that but the wrong go wrong text unfortunately most of them were destroyed by the missionaries

42:24 because they were thought to be taboo and that they work card on wooden boards of the easy to burn but the probable story behind that is that it's likely that the wrong go wrong go existed with this pre polynesian culture, add that i was there system of language and there is a possibility that that system of symbols originated summary in this valley. I guess when it's compared to things around the world can be read or decoded any degree. No but that one code system that it looks most similar to is an ancient code from the indus valley of the india area man so many mysteries

43:08 I love also the idea of lost continents, which you get into a little bit in Crimson Horizon where you say that speculation and controversy are ripe with the thought that a continent once existed in the Pacific Ocean in the distant past and that the people who presently live on the islands we have already discussed as well as Peru are descendants of such a sunken realm. And you go on to say that most names for this sunken continent are Lumeria and Mu. Based on what little we know, are these descriptions close enough to suggest we have two titles for the same place? Or are the stories different enough to suggest two separate places?"

43:48 I think it's more likely that Mu is the original name. I think Lemuria was made up in the 18th century, so there is a Hawaiian oral tradition that says before the Tahitian people who were the ancestors of most of the Hawaiians arrived in Hawaii, that there were people living there again and you get the same story in New Zealand Again we have these red-headed people with very light skin And there are still people who live in Hawaii that have this genetic dark red hair. It's called a-hoo, which means red haired. Interesting coming it keeps coming up and maybe this means nothing but it is kind of interesting that phonetically you have moo right in the middle of lumaria

44:35 Yeah, maybe it means nothing. Well in one of my latest books which is called Aftershock and that's about the ancient cataclysm that I think destroyed all of the megalithic societies About 12,000 years ago And this is based on science Which is collecting more data and that's at the end of the last ice age was twelve thousand years ago? And if it was not a gradual process It was very traumatic and rapid and even again dr.. Robert shock believes that the rising of the sea level which is more than three hundred feet at the end of the ice age could have taken as little as two weeks and so that would have been the disappearance of. The so-called lost continents rather than atlantis or moo

45:21 Sinking into the ocean it was the rising of the sea level that buried the land masses forcing survivors to flee To rebuild their societies in other locations. I think that makes perfect sense and as for what we hear about Lumeria or lumarian lore in the book you say that one of the most elaborate accounts of Lost Continents was given by the Theosophical author William Scott Elliott, a name I'm not familiar with but what did he have to say about it? Honestly, I don't remember. God that goes way too back in time! But I do know that the Theosophical Society were a 19th century group of thinkers who were collectors of ancient esoteric knowledge so they were very big on subjects like Atlantis as well as Mu or Lemuria and what's happened to their information? I honestly don't know

46:20 Fair enough. There are a lot of names for sure and just on the subject one more thing apparently as far as Moose concerned it being a lost Pacific Ocean continent It was popularized by a guy named James Churchward You relay his story saying that church ward claimed that while he was a soldier in India He befriended a high-ranking temple priest who showed him a set of ancient clay tablets Since supposedly in a long lost Naga-Maya language which only two other people in India could read, having mastered the language himself Churchward found out that they originated from quote the place where man first appeared called Mu.

47:00 Gotta love it man, very provocative. I guess is there anything else noteworthy? Obviously we're grasping at threads when it comes to a lost continent but Is there anything else in your studies that you found interesting about that idea of a lost continent in the Pacific? Yeah Churchward wrote four or five books And of course he was laughed at, at the time by academics. But he did a lot on-the ground investigations and that's where he was able to develop these possible connections between the ancestors of the Maya and areas of India, Tibet and maybe Nepal again that's where we were just discussing the whole idea about the Rongo-Rongo language may have come from

47:44 the Indus Valley area, and that tells us that people were traveling utilizing the Pacific and Indian oceans a lot in the distant past. I think what's curious is, I lived on Maui for two years being involved in a cultural project there and when we looked at the topographical map because the people I was working with there were all kind of studying the same topic more or less based on Graham Hancock's work. We noted that if you lowered the sea level of the Pacific by 300 feet basically all of the islands of hawaii would have been connected so i honestly believe that move or lamoria was hawaii wow fascinating man

48:27 Another interesting piece of info that you have in the book as it relates to the possibility of radical change in the past is, according to one theory Madagascar and India were indeed once part of the same landmass thus accounting for their geological resemblances. But plate movement caused India to break away millions of years ago and move to its present location, colliding with the Asian mainland and forming the Himalaya Mountains which are supposedly still growing vertically to this day. And man, that's cool. How about that? Yeah and actually it is the same with the Andes here The Andes are still growing because you have the Pacific plate and the Nazca plate that are grinding against each other That is also why of course it is quite a volcanic earthquake prone area because once in awhile one of the plates will slip Hopefully not in the near future create quite a massive earthquake Because this part of so called ring of fire

49:30 And of course, talking about those kind of things that's a time depth of millions of years ago apparently so it doesn't really. have much to do with the people we're talking about. But as far as a cataclysm roughly 10,000-12,000 years ago of course we hear guys like Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson talking about a meteor impact that would've hit the huge ice sheets during this period that caused massive flooding but you seem to be more in the camp that it could have been some type of plasma burst that would be more likely is that right? Yeah the reason why i wrote my book after shock is because there are so many different theories but the interesting thing is the timeline is almost always the same it's always about twelve thousand years ago so i looked at all of the research i could add

50:19 I think what happened, there's one theory that it was plasma ejection from the Sun and that's Robert Schacht's theory. Another theory is comet or comet part impact or close flyby which would be more of the Graham Hancock idea There's also Paul Laviolette who is an American physicist And he believes that actually galactic center is not a black hole but it's a pulsar and once every approximately 13,000 years it erupts with energy. And so that energy would cross the galactic plane and so I think all of these theories can be put together. I believe Paul LaViolette idea that there was this

51:02 this eruption that happens from galactic center about every 13,000 years. And so that wave of energy of cosmic energy and gamma rays and things like that could have grabbed things like comets in their path could have gone straight through the Sun and caused solar plasmid bursts on the other side So I think it was a system of all of these events and it could have been something that wasn't a one-time thing but could have taken place over the course of two or three hundred years. Right, I mean that throws another wrench in things that it doesn't even have to be one particular method of destruction But as debated a topic is at is you're right A lot of researchers are focusing on that Younger Dryas period that ten to twelve thousand years ago

51:52 window of time and i guess a picture does start to emerge when you think about global flood myths rising waters around that time destroying the high societies, up there day and resulting in the megaliths that we find now i mean. There is a bit of clarity to that narrative when you really put all the pieces together wouldn't say Yeah definitely and another thing to consider is. There are ancient oral traditions the talk about a time when there were only two seasons not four so if you look

52:29 at our planet, which is presently at a tilt of 23.5 degrees, which doesn't seem to be something the universe would create. You'd think everything would be in perfect harmony then when you also find the asteroid belt was likely a planet...you have the planet Uranus lying on its side and I think Venus is rotating backwards that could very well be evidence of an ancient series of cataclysms coming from outside or or possibly inside of our solar system. So if our planet was originally perfectly vertical, that's where we learn the stories of woolly mammoths being found flash frozen in Siberia with food still in their mouths and it could very well be that this cataclysmic event hit the Earth so hard that it caused this 23 1⁄2 degree shift

53:22 and that would be so destructive because almost instantaneously you would have temperate places becoming Arctic, Arctic becoming temperate, tropical become temperate. And there is some interest now in Antarctica. There's a lot of scientific research going on down there and there are theories that Antarctica is obviously a landmass but 12 000 years ago it probably or at least parts of it would have been in a temperate climate So there are some researchers that think that Atlantis actually is Antarctica. So we're getting kind of near the end of the road here, I wanted to come back to the Paracas skulls a bit they're such a big piece of your work you're so knowledgeable about them and apparently there has been some DNA testing done recently can you break down the findings for us commoners on what the major takeaways are from these test results?

54:18 Sure, it's been an incredibly painful process to do this because there are no ancient DNA testing laboratories in Peru and the top 10—and there only are about 10 that can deal with 2,000-year old DNA—are located in North America and Europe. So trying to get them to do the testing has been very difficult because they tend to be closed shops, like they belong to a university that doesn't take outside samples. Also if they get a hint of what you're trying to test just by the shape of the skulls themselves they'll immediately say no we're not interested so we were fortunate in being able to have sample tested about three and half years ago in the United States and the geneticist was perplexed

55:11 What happens when you want to do any test a sample from human being is that sample is compared with every other known human sample and thats contained in the giant database called jen tech so that's why somebody in modern times can have a swab taken from inside their mouth or blood sample, and they can find it very rapidly know that there. You know scotch irish or seventy five percent scotch irish 85% of european ancestry with a curious bit of Chinese thrown in. I think people like to have their DNA tested in order to be able to see how interesting their background is, but when it comes to ancient DNA testing, it requires the most sophisticated next-generation sequencing and so we had one sample taken and he wrote back and said this is very strange because there are segments of his DNA that don't match anything human or ape

56:11 or mammal, or anything I can find. And that caused a worldwide shock. The unfortunate thing was he was immediately fired because he was doing this testing without the permission of the owners of the laboratory but fortunately we've been able to bring him online because we were able to get samples tested from a private collection from Peru and Only from four skulls, but the results indicated that the end ancestry is either your northern European or Middle Eastern. So that doesn't fit in with the Bering land bridge hypothesis that all native americans walked across the baring land bridge twelve thousand years ago so that's interesting but we've been negotiating

56:54 with the government here and one of their departments specifically for 25 months in order to be able to have samples from one of the official museums tested. And I am hoping and praying that we are within day, like literally days being able to have that done. Wow! So based on your alternative ideas to the mainstream were you surprised or those kind of results that you kinda expected? well i of course i just go with what the data tells me and out the fact that the red hair was within existence indicated to me that obviously there is something going on these people had come from somewhere other than. The local area they were probably great seafarers and so that's why the middle eastern results i found to be really interesting

57:50 again the northern european part could be that those people were descended from people from the middle east there would be no alien dna detectable because as far as i know jen bank does not have any alien dna to compare with what we're simply hoping for a helping is that these 15 new samples will be very similar to the four that we've already had tested. And if that's the case, then that builds a strong story of migration, of an ancient people that nobody cares about except me. Well, that will be exciting to get those results too and see if it just adds more fuel to the fire or if it takes us in a totally different direction? Right!

58:39 I'm also curious, it does seem like a lot of museums seem to be kind of removing these elongated skulls from view as they get more attention. But are there places left where a regular person can go in and see skulls like this on display? Or have they all been taken down to the basement at this point? No actually the ICA museum which is about an hour's drive from here has the largest elongated skull i think ever found or that i've ever seen and it's been on display For forty or fifty years nice they have a collection of at least one hundred in the back room which i've seen then you have to leave my museum which is the national museum of archaeology and anthropology they have us seven on display but likely five hundred two thousand in the back room

59:28 And then our little Paracas Museum here has 45 elongated skulls. And when people come and visit, they're allowed not only to look at them but take photographs and video. Wow! I guess I would ask because we know that there was some cradle boarding or actually people were forming these skulls versus some that were natural what kind of ratio are we talking about when it comes to ones that seem natural that you've seen on display? It's about 4%. Right on, right on. Hey that's something! Yeah and actually we've... I'm sorry but we found the specific location of where the largest skulls came from they all came from the same cemetery so that means they're all likely related

1:00:12 Wow. And I've also heard you say for people who might be thinking, oh well because we do have this tradition of people doing this maybe even in the most extreme cases they all could fit under that umbrella it can't be that way because as you pointed out just changing the shape of the skull wouldn't add volume to it and a lot of cases these skulls are really large and it couldn't be just manipulated in that fashion because there's too much material there right? Yeah, that's true. And if you ask any doctor they'll say yeah you can with a baby change the shape but the genetics are not going to change The skull is going to form the volume that it has been dictated by the genes and unfortunately because I live here I'm constantly finding new specimens and very recently one was brought to me of a newborn baby from this same

1:01:07 ancient cemetery where all the really big skulls came from it's a newborn baby the volume of that skull is minimum twice the size of the volume of normal human child it is very odd looking at red hair because it's in a private collection were hoping to have it dna tested along with some others. Awesome and of course we also mentioned the other physiological differences so there's definitely something here and the Paracas people I just think they're so interesting. And just to kind of close the door on all that apparently they were wiped out by the Nazca people right?

1:01:48 Yeah, that's the theory I'm developing because the Nazca of course are famous because of the Nazca lines and geoglyphs but in fact they only made a certain percentage of them. It was the Paracas people before them that created the 500 tall one called the Candelabro as well about 1500 smaller ones The Nazca people made about 25 but the Paracas people made more than 1000 Damn. Well, the world is definitely not short on mysteries I'm glad guys like you are out there doing the dirty work to relay all this information to lazy folks like me Super impressive stuff and i know you also do tours which I for one am really interested in I'm sure other people would be as well tell us a bit about your tours what they entail and the ones you might have coming up for people to be able to join in on

1:02:44 Sure what my wife and i do tours about twenty five percent of the time which is maximum what we do because we love to. Provide a quality experience for people. I don't want to be a tour guide, but I love to share these locations with with people all of them can be found at hidden inca tours comm which is also a massive database only 5% of the website is about tours The rest is all free information So we have it's too late to join the March Tour of Egypt by But we have one in Cusco in June about the Inca, another one in August which focuses on the elongated skulls of Peru. And then we have another one in November which is with author Robert Boval who's a good friend of Graham Hancock and a great author. Then we have another one in Mexico in January 2018

1:03:41 Beautiful. I would love to take one of those sometimes, it seems like maybe my best chance to see a natural elongated skull if i'm on the right tour right? That's right! Hmm beautiful well also before we go you got so much work out there YouTube books tell people how they can best follow up on some things that we've talked about and get more Brian Forrester in their lives Well, the best thing again is to go to my mega website that my webmaster who's actually the webmaster for the Dalai Lama and lives in India. The man is a genius he has donated thousands of hours to building this website it has all the latest bells and whistles but it contains basically everything about me so

1:04:30 The videos the books etc and then it links to other locations as well but my hats off to webmaster brian for being an absolute it genius. And you know if it hadn't been for him would be nowhere as famous as i am now and i gotta thank him is why believe it was him who connected us Great. So well Brian, it's been fun Thanks again for taking the time enjoy the rest of your day and keep doing what you do alright man I will thank you very much You got it Boom people! A nice solid return to the classics. Ancient civilizations, lost technology, alien humanoids... I thought this was a pretty satisfying show big thanks to Brian These elongated skulls are so wild and i feel like i learned a lot today Talking about Lumeria and Mu is always good fun too. I really don't understand how solving the mystery of humanity's origins isn't a bigger deal

1:05:32 I would expect people to be more curious about this, but if you think we naturally evolved from apes then there isn't really a ton to think about. We just turned into humans like a caterpillar turns into butterfly and then took over the entire planet and now watch Shark Tank and Vape all part of the natural order right? Not so sure that's how it works. Not only do I see this as just one round of recorded history, but who really knows how many rounds there were. And that still doesn't really solve the problem of where we came from? Were we genetically engineered from pig and bonobo parts by other beings of some kind? Could our consciousness or self-awareness be a byproduct of our interactions with an immortal spacefaring fungus? Who knows but elongated skulls might have something to do with at least part of that story

1:06:27 The frustrating thing to me is that we'll probably never know. Maybe when we die, something will become obvious? But that's like our only real hope! A big part of the reason I used to be an atheist is because I was into the genetic alteration ancient aliens theory and I guess I still am But when you bring into the mix the idea of a soul or consciousness, an aspect of yourself that is non-physical and the idea of an afterlife of some kind. Whether you go to a spirit world then get reincarnated or whether you just stay there I just get confused because if there's something to those components, it would indicate to me some type of natural cycle. It seems even harder to create an intelligent biological life form and some type of post-life aspect doesn't it? Unless consciousness is some kind of seed implanted in these little meat bodies but I don't know how you could like treat that as a tangible thing

1:07:30 and find some way to inject it like motor oil, and get it to happen every time sperm fertilizes an egg. It's a lot! I guess I just think it's fun to explore, and don't try to rectify too much because it is all hypothetical anyway but I am pretty happy with this one Hopefully you found it to be good listen In the Plus show today we got into the idea that Antarctica could have been Atlantis and also the recent added attention that Antarctica is getting from The Elite. We talked about Velikovsky and the possibility of radical change in the solar system, the Electric Universe and plasma discharge, Brian's own UFO encounters

1:08:14 fairies and gods, unknown elements of the Incas reconstructing a truer picture of Central and South American cultures ancient machines of the Egyptians Brian's issues and dismissal of the geopolymer theory Akhenaten, The Trump Of His Day Baalbek And The 33rd Parallel A deep, deep second hour if you just contribute to this beautiful journey that is the Hireside Chats but Solid episode, getting a bit back in the weird end of the pool. Next show is a jump back to the political it's one I recorded awhile ago and have been holding on too but it has got to come out and after that it will get pretty crazy In the meantime manifest those destinies chisel at the chains of the debt based system of rule and keep your pimp hands strong Ill see you next time

1:09:08 We might not ever uncover the full human story cover to cover, but we do find new pages every so often. I've done my part! Your move weird-headed Paracas people of the ancient past and the keepers of their secrets... It's your fucking move Lucid dreams are so vivid, cause you go to bed at seven And your brain comes alive because you hate your nine-to-five You wake up with a dread and make sure your cats are fed Did your brain talk to a ghost who moved your coffee and toast As you listen to the higher side chats

1:09:45 You get to your desk and your boss says it's a mess And your soul slowly grows To a place where nothing grows When you think he's not around, you insert a SETI sound The OM says turn it down and you say It's just the higher side chats Oh do you think you'd be invited? To Bohemia Grove. To a Bilderberg club Do you think you'd be invited by a Rothschild to a party on a submarine. Diving down, to the center of the earth through the Marianas Trench your teeth begin to clench from the sulfurous stench The mask you're given doesn't fit cause you're not one of them