Bernhard Guenther | Psycho-spiritual Development For The Conspiratorial Mind, Vaccine beings, & Seeds For The Next Cycle

00:54 Well, it's the end of the world as we know it. But I feel fine from the Sunshine State! I'm Greg Carlwood And while its right to assume an awake mind is superior to one that still sleepwalks through a manufactured artificial matrix world of energy extraction just being awake, they say, isn't enough What if our opposition has a whole set of contingency plans and mental trappings like a second matrix or even more beyond that designed just for those who think they've figured all out We know well the perils of the sleepwalker, but what about the perils of parsing conspiratorial events like an addict obsessing over the next hit? Or the dangers of the black-pilled defeatism stage of seeing the world as it really is. They say ignorance is bliss for a reason and while many of us seek a deeper understanding of this realm we can still acknowledge the hazards of perceiving the deeper reality without some sort of spiritual or mental armor

01:44 We've all seen the cautionary tales of those who ventured into deep waters without doing the inner work, stayed stuck staring into the abyss for too long or simply didn't have the stomach for how dark it can get at the bottom of the rabbit hole. We've seen many among us use a conspiratorial power paradigm to pad their own victim mentality and justify an action as well as descend into psychedelic madness as a form of escapism while deluding themselves into thinking its not just another way of avoiding life's challenges Well, today's guest Bernhard Gunther has been through it all and lived to tell the tale. He is a psycho-spiritual researcher, teacher and guide whose work explores the deeper architecture of reality and evolutionary challenges facing humanity during this time of profound transformation known in esoteric mystery traditions as The Time Of Transition

02:33 With over two decades of intensive study, practice and inner work his path integrates esoteric wisdom depth psychology trauma healing shadow integration and a clear-eyed understanding of the spiritual and hyperdimensional forces that influence human consciousness. He's the founder of Piercing The Veil Of Reality A platform dedicated to guiding sincere seekers through the labyrinth of personal and collective transformation And he also co-hosts the Cosmic Matrix podcast with his wife, Laura. I think I'm ready! Only one way to know... Here he is the psycho spiritual scholar time of transition teacher and inner work instructor Bernhard welcome to THC Thanks so much Greg thanks for that amazing introduction It's all in a day's work Like on a journey

03:20 So thank you for doing this, or really just letting me make it up to you because this came about in a weird way. Your wife connected me with a friend of hers who wanted to get in touch with me about Gordon White because she had managed to connect with the matriarch of one of these underground San Lamorte spiritual traditions in Paraguay that Gordon was exploring and it did help a little to talk to this woman although the language barrier was tough I did learn a little more about his adventures there and all that. But then your wife mentioned that, I had tried to get an interview with you several years back and I apparently dropped the ball so we're coming full circle on what we were meant to do before it seems Exactly beautiful It's all good i think i was doing the whole COVID madness right? So that's why Yeah! The only icing on the COVID cake for me was having two kids so total chaos

04:14 On top of it, awesome man. Yes finally kind of coming out of that nutty time but you have spent decades unpacking all the rabbit holes several years exploring all the entheogens many years unpacking spiritual dimensions and influences from the unseen realms and a lot of Jungian shadow work as well I tried to get at some of this with that intro, but for the people who don't know you all that well help them get a sense of the depth of which you've dove into these things and what you've learned. And these things have really become the focus of what you now teach. Okay so in a nutshell it really started... Well just real quick as a child always questioning there must be more to life not being able to fit in typical stereotypical right loner type of thing right?

05:02 being bullied and all of this. Going to high school in Germany and then going to study business right out of high school, not feeling happy. Not like this is there must be more to life all of this and then my friend introduced me to drums and music I'm like oh this is what I want to do. I had my really true transcendental experience playing the drums like a natural thing for them like yeah This is what it's all about so that pursue the dream go to America US LA went to school here Music School drumming played in bands All But more stuff just kept coming up, which I had to confront with myself like childhood wounding depression. So I realized that I had to figure myself out and it really came out of my own suffering to understand what the question myself more in the world more and I got early on into psychedelics mushrooms they helped me a lot actually in the beginning to kind

05:55 confront certain things, realize certain things that got me into shamanism. So I was just not just partying with them but really using it for self-exploration and then very classical almost like a B movie type thing my mushroom dealer gave me all of a sudden this VHS tape off this guy called David Icke in the mid 90s. So I got one of his eight or nine hour talks, right? That was like 96 97. I don't remember around that time and then kind of blow this is a whole other world out there got me to do more the conspiracy world right so that all rabbit hole way before social media way before YouTube all of those

06:33 and started reading. So, you know... For me it was early on always twofold I needed to do the inner work to figure myself out but also questioning the world so definitely got tumbled down the conspiracy rabbit hole So for sure, I even visited went to one of David Icke's eight hour talks in 2000. No it was before 9-11 was in 2000 in Pasadena LA and then when 9 11 happened that definitely was like okay here we go so everything you know is must this must be true and and and I was very like naive back then I thought oh if nine eleven there's going to be exposed within a year Of course wasn't inside job right? Yeah Not realizing that

07:12 It's not that easy, right? And then also mainly because working intensely with psychedelics back then DMT mushrooms and all of that even for self exploration really locking myself in a room and just let go. And really coming across all these beings and entities and realizing hold on there is way more to reality as something else affecting us and that got me more into really more cultism and understanding from an esoteric spiritual perspective. There are other forces influencing us, you know, from other realms some are more malevolent some benevolent all of that. So that got me into the quote unquote hyperdimensional aspect of the core so-called matrix there other forces beyond the 3D matrix as I like to say influencing us or that's been really my focus then also then

07:57 got me into the UFO topic deeply into that, aliens and all of this, the abduction phenomena. I definitely took a detour in the new age as some of us tend to do right? So they got me out quickly with all the channeled material, The Galactic Federation Of Light But I was always, again like got deep into Jungian psychology Eastern spirituality and also started working as a body worker energy worker found another talent to really understand the body mind spirit connection. So I always realized that the inner work is inevitable. But you know, the conspiracy world out there definitely tumbled down the rabbit hole even more in the dark age, dark side even way before Epstein researching elite pedophilia and all of this... The dark side of all of the setup absolutely went down the rabbit hole there

08:49 And I was also very naively trying to expose everybody. We need to arrest the pedophiles, get rid of evil, expose this, this is a side of this and that but it became such a mental approach and then even with the rise of social media, I just realized almost tunnel vision or blind spot of the truth. It became almost a new archetype, the conspiracy truth especially when rise of social media and just posts going on little video clips and justice mental approach to typical armchair conspiracy theorists complaining about the world from behind his keyboard. Guilty! And I realized, okay this is not going to change much at all of me just like you know maybe gives me a dopamine hit but it realize also all my projections my anger project like just feed some other forces right so there needs be a fever being polarized against each other

09:45 And I also realized that was an activist. I was even full on speaking out against Zionism already 20 years ago, I was at protests painting my face with the Palestinian flags of been there done that all that right before that cause got hijacked by the left and all this so I was never, you know. So even when Trump came along and said maybe there's something happening in the deep state and whatnot but it was still just symptom management and I become pretty disillusioned with the whole thing. And also realized from my inner work that was a big insight that I was projecting my own unhappiness in my inner child wound or my own shadow

10:21 onto others, right? Onto the boogeyman. So when I realized that a lot of quote-unquote conspiracy truthers are doing that or activists projecting their own pain onto the world, typical shadow projection which doesn't help resolve anything and that doesn't help to make the world a better place. I realized the inner work is key to come more into an inalignment with who we truly are And not go on the other extreme either. I'm not implanting like, oh just love and light and just gaze on the navel and whatnot. I think it's both like my core of my work is the inner and outer work together but we come more to conscious actions and powerful actions if we have more than our inner work if we don't project our shadow or come from our inner wounded parts

11:06 And then from our true self more aligned with I think we all have our dharma, our unique purpose for being here. And if you come on to align with that, our actions have way more power onto the collective and now here we are so to speak. Heck yeah! That is a great tour through the life and times of a seeker. Truthseekers are gonna hit some dead ends. Some of them are quite cringy when we look back on them, but they all have value it all helps to sharpen our mental blade and I like the term symptom management when it comes to thinking something's really going to change and it probably isn't

11:44 And I also agree about the materialist layers of reality. That's the ones that we tend to focus on the most, 9-11 false flags school shootings global psychopathic pedophilic elite but i have heard you use this term actually used it right there but this David Icke in turn the hyperdimensional war on consciousness there's a lot going on that were not seen if we just focus on the material layer We'll elaborate on that term because sometimes you're pretty critical of those focused on the external evils, but help us better understand the correct framing of this conflict that we are a part of. That maybe extends beyond what we can see

12:28 Well, you know I always used the hyperdimensional. I think also shout out to Tom Montag who has been around for a long time he used that term hyper dimensional. You know now looking back it simply means spiritual, spiritual realities right? Hyper dimension sounds a bit more woo-woo maybe but spiritual realities that exist beyond our five sensory perception that's really what it comes down in a nutshell right? and that the material world is just a cause, it's not the... It's just as symptomatic. It's just a manifestation of higher energies, higher forces working through humanity. So we are just in this very lower state of consciousness egoic consciousness where we can only perceive with our five senses materialistic what we see right? Also then when we quote unquote seek truth, we just focus naturally on the 3D aspect because that was its water we can see absolutely I'm not saying this to deny

13:21 But it's really like the way I see it, you can see at different levels looking at a so-called matrix. And I also realized that the matrix is nothing really out there. It's more something that works through us. It's like a mind program, so to speak, right? That works on our perception and works through us rather than just out there. And, you know, you can see it on a physical level. You know on the basic global level just that or the political level, the consensus type where we get more into conspiracy 3D what most people are into maybe like okay there's a deep state as they could societies there is elite groups but I've moved away from this like even David Icke model of like this pyramid that this one group that controls everything

14:05 So I realized through my own inner experience and also research that there's no one unified conspiracy with one boogeyman like controlling it all. But even the so-called elites, what we see as the evil doers are not in control of themselves but vessels for these hyperdimensional entities right? Which by the way also you know, kudos to David Eichmutter. But it's just nothing new like when you study the esoteric occult traditions they have been talked about this for hundreds or even thousands of years right? I specifically also got what has been a big influence into my work is Gurdjieffs work The Fourth Way he talked about the general law from Christian Esoteric perspective that works through humanity controls humanity like the general laws almost

14:52 that esoteric aspect for the hyperdimensional matrix or Sri Aurobindo's integral yoga talks about all the forces of darkness. I mean, obviously Gnosticism talks about the archons so they talk about in their own ways Steiner talks about Araman Lucifer Saurad all these non-physical forces that affect humanity that work through humans Right? So it is something that exists outside our five century perception and affects us without our awareness. And the key point is to become more aware of what is really influencing us, where do our thoughts come from, where do all beliefs come from but you know what is informing our actions and whatnot and how easily we are manipulated including conspiracy truth or type people who kind of easily get into

15:39 polarization, right? Or the Luciferic temptation which I think you mentioned at the beginning type of thing. Oh, I'm so awake everybody's asleep you're just such a sheep right but I've been there too So that already props up the ego when you think you're so awake and also realized this term awake is being thrown around way to easily Right Yeah mean i thought it was all awake 20 years ago when 9-11 and like I figured out how its unanimity guys are sleep This is how The Matrix works and you know that Until I realized going the inner work, like just this informational awareness of how you think the world works cannot be even called taking the quote unquote red pill from an esoteric perspective. Right? It's more about the true awakening process is coming more and more in alignment with your true nature to see literally even the oneness in the world

16:26 Not one is of sameness, but how everything is interrelated and how everything is exactly how it's supposed to be. There is no error in creation." And then I think the big breakthrough or the insight has for me come from that there's nothing wrong with evil. We have externalized evil we always see evil out there now let me rephrase this um there's a problem of evil but It has its teaching function as it's also known from an esoteric perspective, right? It's even part of the one of God or the divine is of ignorance. Right so it's about making a darkness conscious and more shadow we have within ourselves personal collective, the more manifest externally as evils. So the more we face our own darkness our own potential for evil within that's when the inner work comes in.

17:14 difficult in our work sometimes because it's always easier to project it externally. It's always easy, all the evil doers are out there I'm all good you know that kind of psychological splitting But if you're really sincere in the inner work, you come face to face with aspects of yourself that we don't like to see. And the potential for evil and evil doesn't have to be always this extreme forms but can get subtle forms how we lie to ourselves, to others, how are we behind hypocritical hide behind virtues and slogans and all of this right? So we all have skeletons in the closet, so to speak. How we present ourselves out there and what's really going on within our own psyche and whatnot. The more we become honest with ourselves and face this darkness within ourselves and understand whatever is manifest in the world out there as quote unquote darkness and evil is within myself. And that's really the core understanding of Jung's teaching, Carl Jung's shadow work or any other esoteric teaching

18:08 But the ego that's so identified will easily defend this like, no way I'm good. Evil is all over there we need to get rid of this and fight them and you know when I was realized in the past few years the futility almost the absurdity of, and I've been there too like oh let's just arrest all the pedophiles. Epstein files everywhere they're arrested we need to arrest them all round them up you know kill them put them on a death row and then we're done with it right? As if it's so easy as if we can just cut off part of creation and just like... And then we are done and over with I mean, I've been in this game for a long time. It's not going to happen this way. It's not going to be this thing that everything will be exposed the bad boys of guys will be arrested and then we're done with it and we have woken up you know so it is more...it's very different process And again, it's not about psychologically spinning. It's not about holding people accountable but we need to get out of this very non

19:07 naive, almost childish idea that we can just arrest people based on our understanding of what evil they do without really doing our inner work and come more into a higher alignment. Well said and I do have mixed feelings about some of this stuff like the idea that The Matrix works through us that it's not all just out there. I understand the premise that we're not going to be able to round up all the pedos and just fix the world Because power corrupts absolutely and vacuums are formed whenever you get rid of one class of the elite. And also just justice is not really in the cards like I've woken up to the fact that they're gonna run the show and we're probably not going to do anything about it, and there is like a level of acceptance to that where you then start to think well what can I do? To make the world better if it's not gonna be

20:02 Taking on the big elite sure there's something there But I think it was in your gramerica interview where you said something that I wrote down You said conspiracy people fall into the victim trap by projecting the evil externally we recognize triggers and others but not ourselves and I understand The premise that when we get triggered by a behavior We see in others that can sometimes tell us something about ourselves, but How does that apply to something like the Epstein files or satanic ritual abuse because I just think sometimes can't things that happen just make us sad and angry, that people hurt children for fun? Yes. I don't know that it tells me anything deeper about myself except that I've been very lucky to have a good life and I would like to expose the dark reality that not everyone else has been so lucky but beyond that it really does feel completely separate from myself And I'd like to think I've been open-minded about exploring the idea That is isn't separate

21:04 Here we are. I still don't have any illusions that it's going to get fixed, but I don't know if acknowledging that dark stuff and being triggered by it really tells me anything about myself." Yeah, that's a great question Gregg so that also ties into most of how Shadow Work or Youngsorg is distorted, misunderstood and oversimplified sometimes. So I'm not implying that whatever everything out there is a machete on you to just integrate that's over simplification does the personal shadow within ourselves to integrate but this collective shadow collective archetype collective evil which you better not integrate

21:40 That ties into the bigger topic, which you can't. There's other forces we need to also differentiate or called entities forces that affect us versus what is our shadow aspect that goes more into like really deeper esoteric work of what's called inner differentiation and really being aware of the inner parts. What is an inner child part? What was his shadow part? What does make the other force coming from outside? What is archetypal evil right Even Robert Moore, a great Jungian psychologist made an excellent point. He said, it's not like the Jews if the Jews would have integrated their shadow that there would be no art of Hitler for example. So it's extremely oversimplified and you know what I said to some people like in really trying to understand shadow work we also need to study it and learn it and really apply it right because most often no disrespect to anybody people make the argument never really truly engaged in shadow work but they make these certain assumptions so this is one point

22:37 Second point, yeah I hear you know let's take this example. You know it's horrible with AppSteam and even like for me was no surprise I've researched all this before. I feel there are way worse things happening in that realm than what we've seen through AppStein files on the side note right? But what are you going to, let's say let's be very practical. What are you going to do about it? Like what's going to happen if we just rage on it online nowadays and talk about it and trying to expose and project our anger is this really going to change anything right? What can be more the conscious actions around that so it's definitely I agree there's anger sadness is disturbing

23:15 that kind of trigger doesn't mean that you have your own capability for that as well. There's a difference between, if somebody lives rent free in your head the whole time kind of thing, that's something to look into it. Yes I agree with that So that's for something but if something really upsets you right? In the moment but then it doesn't affect your life That's not part of your shadow so there is already like a difference The way a trigger works right? So in the moment if something happens but continue your life, that's not a quantum core trigger. A trigger is one that keeps nagging on you that keeps coming up in different ways then there's something for you okay I need to look into myself why so by this upsetting for me i mean the best example on the political level is if the left would face their inner trump with the TDS

24:03 They're completely shadow projecting, right? Right. The inner authoritarianism they're projecting like this guy's an authoritarian and it's like yeah well look what you were advocating for. Yeah there is a daddy issues the left project their daddy issues on the right the right protect them and their mommy issues onto the left. So if you want to take it psychologically, I like that. I never hear about the mommy issue part. Right? If they both would apply shadow work we would already be on a way higher level of consciousness already but yeah also understanding there's forces operating beyond your control right so that's why i like to say you need to have an expanded vision of understanding

24:46 You know, on the very basic level of the matrix out there all that atrocities and all of this. The conspiracies that's one level But you can see then on a higher level, right? You bring in Jungian's work and understand that whatever evil is out there as well is also part of our own darkness. I would even say the collective consciousness is not ready to face the Epstein revelations, right? There needs to be a certain almost collective quote-unquote consensus based on level of consciousness to be able to face that, right? So at the same time it actually also

25:24 fascinating that it has become more mainstream, the whole Epstein thing and elite pedophilia. I would have never thought about this 20 years ago when I was researching that at the same time. Yeah no rest on us but i think it's just very excuse me, naive to expect that oh like this again the government or the white heads will just arrest everybody and that's it. And we move on to the golden age so to speak right? So is an understanding there are things happening beyond our control and then you bring more of the esoteric spiritual perspective bigger cycles. There's a whole other realm like, okay karmic cycles, karmic trajectories soul lessons of each individual right evolutionary cycles what's happening the big as we are at the end of the big Kali Yuga cycle entering the purification phase by there are so many other cycles within cycles happening which is

26:15 beyond our ego mind able to comprehend, I think we need maybe more humility to admit that we also have not understanding how everything operates. I don't think the ego mind can figure out the quantum code matrix it has left a little snapshot on a 3D level right? So you know even when what do I know what the soul lesson is of somebody else I see on the internet and project on and whatnot And I don't want to hide behind quote unquote, karma. That's another tricky topic people have abused misunderstood or you know like it can be easily misappropriated and whatnot but really having one understanding there are bigger forces bigger cycles happening which I don't have no control over what I have control over is how to react to it how I come into an inner alignment and also like getting out of victim blame consciousness that is the most important part

27:11 Because too many people, including the Truth and Movement are constantly blame-blame-blame complain-complain which comes from our own inner shadow from their own inner lives. And a big insight was David Hawkins work with some podcasts about it he wrote Power versus Force The Eye of the Eye and he calibrate this very famous map of consciousness over 20 years really fascinating And he calibrated like levels of consciousness and based on his map of consciousness, about 85% of humanity are below the threshold of 200 as it calls it. Which is stuck in victim blame consciousness always blaming somebody else for their circumstances for the world. And then on higher levels of conscious which maybe only 15% operating on these people who take more responsibility and they have more power in the world

27:58 When you're below 200, you have to be more forceful. You kind of try to force things to happen on high levels of consciousness. Your more embodied connection with who truly are your actions have more power. You take more responsibility and that can actually help ironically dissolve evil by taking more responsibility not falling into this projective blame. Do you know what I mean? Yes On a practical level, what can you do in your life? What is your specific gift, your dharma as it's called. What you can bring to the world that is unique to you that aligns with the higher will and divine will that manifests through you has

28:37 10,000 million times more effect on the world than God damn it where are the arrests? Pedophilia needs to be arrested and ranting on social media. So that's what I'm trying to get at right so there is something everybody else can do we need to empower ourselves and not give the power away to the quote unquote controllers who we think is controlling everything Well said. And this kind of goes in line with a quote I had written down from your piece on David Wilcock as a cautionary tale, but you write the more light the seeker possesses the more darkness he uncovers so the nature of true transformation is a battle but its successful outcome is glorious magnificent beyond what the mind can comprehend that's why the spiritual warrior who serves the divine with sincerity humility and courage without blame or complaint

29:29 and remains rooted in the true self through all the ups and downs, setbacks and victories of sincere psycho-spiritual work does more to uplift humanity and the collective consciousness than millions who fight shadows externally on the wall unaware of the deeper forces at play and disconnected from their true nature. I like that a lot, it kind of speaks to what you're saying. But what are the various pieces of what you call the psycho-spiritual work and the shadow work that we should all be doing to avoid the pitfalls of some truth seekers? I like to think I have done a lot of that work there's a flip side where it never really seems to end and can become like a downward spiral distraction of its own

30:12 But I hear these terms so often, but I do not really get the blueprint laid out. Help us understand where we are in that process if we've done some of that work? What does it mean to do psycho-spiritual work? Yeah yeah great timing! I just wrote an article about this like almost kind of like a corner piece about the necessity for psycho spiritual work in this time of transition So in a nutshell as the name implies It's both psychological and spiritual What do I mean by psychological work? Psychological work meaning understanding your psyche, understanding the different parts within your psyche. Inner child part wounded part what is the shadow even going deep of Jung's work Anima and animus integration for inner male and inner female

30:54 trauma parts, defense mechanisms all of this what is what and what is the true self within all of this. So we need to differentiate We need to understand a deep esoteric truth that's good you've talked about in your scene in your psychology they read us going thousands of years ago that we are not one where you don't have one individual I. We lump everything together into this one, I we never question where my belief comes from this thought comes from this feeling comes from the thing it's all I mistake default ego personality of all its defense mechanisms, the inner child, the shadow get triggered for our true self which is not our true self. It's just a conditioned ego personality so that's number one right? That starts already over there to question who am I who do you think you are basically right? So it's the necessity for self-knowledge that starts on a psychological level which is not easy work number one

31:47 It's only like you mentioned, oh this is a distraction and downward trend. It's only distraction if you don't apply it correctly or intellectualize the process. I remember getting into Jung's work in the 90s An inner child work writing folders of my shadow and realizations I had about my inner child, this and that. And literally then realizing 10 years later or so that I was only intellectualizing the process. I was lying to myself there just because intellectually maybe aware of my shadow on my inner child that have resolved it by the missed the most important part which is the somatic emotional aspect to really work through everything that I'm holding within my body, which is not easy work. Because it will bring up difficult emotions many of us we have suppressed for decades even lifetimes shame guilt anger sadness grief that can be very intense the process right off of diving into that That's why it's easier always to stay externally focused right? It's almost an unconscious defense mechanism to always externalize and never go within

32:49 So that psychological work is not easy. We can easily bypass it or not do it correctly, just intellectualize and all of that number one but psychological work alone I realized is not enough because if you do psychological, it's great but you usually end up in childhood blaming your parents or something like that right? Right! It was kind of that right so we need to also aspire to something higher the spiritual work to our true nature to something beyond ourselves. That's when answers the call, right? To go beyond our ego structure to have this inner yearning like who am I you know there's this aspiration to a higher power God divine grace. I don't care what you call it right but it's also nothing external about ourselves then he can easily get trapped in this whole

33:35 What's become popular is neo-Christian traditional revival. It's very dogmatic, God is out there Satan is there everything what is not Christian is demonic even meditation yoga this is a whole other distortion right? This is not the spirituality I'm talking about. I am talking more about what Jesus actually truly taught to find the kingdom within So that's the spiritual work. But if you do a spiritual work alone, you can easily fall into another trap which is called spiritual bypassing meaning you bypass the psychological work and then the ego gets tempted to take get spiritualized takes on this virtual identity and overestimates itself. You can fall in what's called the Luciferic temptation. You think you're already awake.

34:21 You already saved, you already ascended and all this. You see this whole in the new age people calling themselves star seeds and whatnot right? So there's a lot of spiritual bypassing happening in order to avoid both traps when you do the work together psychological and spiritual work right? Psychological work deals with the past through kind of purify the vessel and spiritual work opens up to the higher realms into anchor divine force to bring forth It's called in esotericism, your true self as Gurdjieff would say to grow the soul or to, it is an esoteric Christianity for the second birth right? To be reborn in your true self. And then we become more in alignment with who we are to become our true self.

35:02 And that work is ongoing. And like you said, I'm sorry it is ongoing and when people say I'm done with inner work, I've already done all my shadow work. I know the person's lying to themselves because if somebody says I'm done with shadow work, I've integrated in my shadow that's literally stating that your enlightened meaning you have no unconscious parts, your conscious of everything right? This is quite a statement so it isn't ongoing work and it goes back and sometimes The key point to understand is this awakening process, it's not this linear road up which most people I assume too like oh hi. It's actually based on a code law as the track log called the Law of Ascent and Descent meaning like what you just men recorded me I took this quote from Sartre meaning the more light you discover, the more darkness you discovered as well but within yourself too. Meaning you can only rise to higher levels of consciousness

35:53 deep and willing and able, you're able to go within your own psyche and uncover quote unquote the darkness within yourself. Right? Hence the famous quote from Carl Jung, A tree that reaches to heaven must have its roots in hell or as Sri Aurobindo said no one can reach heaven who has not gone through hell I mean this is allegorically speaking for widening for how the work works right so that's why there are sometimes you have these amazing a higher state conscious experiences, but then it pulls you down again into another dark night of the soul which I experienced many times. But it's necessary to help... You're almost doing the work to help raise the level of consciousness of humanity by making the darkness conscious so it is widening on all levels basically

36:37 Yeah that's a great summary and I know it's ongoing work, it's not an on or off switch but I also sometimes think we can get stuck in endlessly unpeeling the onion which is ourselves. Sometimes some people don't have that much trauma and I've read a lot of your work now get the sense that you did have a rough childhood in a lot of ways and I'm sorry to hear that. Some people have had a pretty easy life, like I didn't lose anyone till I was 40 really hard to find a serious trauma that would've screwed me up but some people would say oh well your just in denial or haven't gone deep enough but sometimes endlessly looking to unpack some

37:20 internal trauma and never-ending inner work feels like it can also be a trap or distraction. But where I do get curious and unsure is the influence of unseen forces you've written about the archons, and Wateko, various spiritual influences which are very real an impactful they can influence our thoughts in our actions talk to us about some of these conscious separate entities and how we can get better at discerning where a thought or desire comes from and when worsts are coming to their influence. Yeah, just real quick just to back up a little bit I actually had a great childhood. I didn't have any major trauma at all. Oh good! Just want me to clarify this because I think the worst that I got a bit bullied by people making kids make fun of me in school that's the only either great childhood great parents.

38:15 But once you do the inner work, trauma simply means wound and people misunderstand. Trauma doesn't have to be this big T-trauma or child physical abuse drug abuse or whatever like people deal with this but there can also be what a lot of people are dealing with is just when they were dealing with an emotional absent parent or whatnot or we're not seeing it's not like this big T thing kind of thing right? Or like one of my teachers would say, ego identification is a trauma response in itself. You are identified with the false self disconnected from the divine from God that in itself is a quote unquote trauma response right? And also I want to say just to clarify about this inner work, It's not how you're looking instead of I'm like where's my shadow and let's go deep. It doesn't work like that!

39:02 It becomes a way of life and it's actually beautiful. Like I'm loving life, I'm thinking this is the most amazing time to be alive. I would not want to be anywhere else. I wanna be right here. I don't wanna escape the world. This is amazing and it becomes more way of life 24 seven when the psyche reveals itself because certain things also only reveal yourself at a certain timing in divine timing in conjunction with your sincerity when you look And you use all as a trigger here and there. So it becomes more way of life, even meditative state of life when you deal with what you're dealing with but it's not like you're sitting down looking trying to uncover your shadow

39:42 Just on a side note to clarify that, right? What I realized too besides people are engaged in inner work or not. Everyone is influenced by all kinds of unseen forces at all times constantly. Right? Constantly what do you mean by unseen forces so i don't mean just entities or beings like i mentioned arconic forces or vertigo or azures or whatever tradition want to talk about but It is also understood in esoteric tradition, or if you really look within yourself and you do inner work actually become... You get this experience direct experience that your mind is porous. Meaning there's constantly forces being formed influencing what's flowing through you at all times which we mistake for our, this is my thought, this is my belief, that kind of influence our actions. So from an esoteric perspective actually the idea that we have free will to be questioned

40:40 Because the ego thinks it has free will, but it doesn't. As Trio Binwood said, It has no idea where the action originated or where the impulse came from, where the thought came from, they believed that initiated then the action you all we all put together as this I me doing it right? The ego likes to take ownership But if you dive deeper, you understand that as other forces coming through your influencing us. So not only forces from other spiritual realms both benevolent and benevolent I want to acknowledge the benevolent forces in our spirit guides guardian angel divine force that also assist us through intuition, through guidance in unconscious ways. Absolutely but we also influenced by malevolent beings that tag into our lower nature that tempt us right? That when they feed our shadow so to speak they want to initiate us to give in to something now they know our weakness is almost better than not us right but they can only get to us it's very important understand if there's an entry point within us what isn't entry point

41:40 the shadow. They tag into unconscious shadow, they tag into uncharted ones day. They capitalize on what is already within us and exaggerate it so to speak put fuel onto the fire that's why the inner work is so important by the way too because the more you do an inner work integrate your shadow be aware of your inner child parts heal that the less these other forces can affect you become a sovereign gain more free will by closing the entry points and bringing forth your true self. But there's more influencing us, they are thought forms influencing us constantly right? So called agregors collective thought forms right

42:19 I see collective thought forms influence or create all these mass movements, being on the left. On the right even the truth of conspiracy world has their own egregores which everybody tags into and then you notice when everybody sounds the same so to speak. So there's NPCs in the mainstream, there's NPCs within the conspiracy movement who tag into the same egregore thought form which we can...I can see myself that tagging into and everybody repeats the same things in some way, right? And then we easily identify with that. So the whole point is then to differentiate to be able this is the deep esoteric but choose Hey what is really part of my true nature What is something I want to accept even from a higher divine force and what do you need to reject as not part of my nature Right and that is not intellectual discernment by that will just

43:12 You're driving nuts, you get into analysis paralysis. Right? And then people get into paranoia too on top of it all my God these unseen forces that doesn't help right but that's why the more engaged in this inner work as a side product of sudden you become more aware of the influences from the outside. You see like oh here is an impulse feeling and belief that came from the outside that wants me to engage in this action hold on this is not who I truly am And that's how you then gain free will. Because we are so easily manipulated from the unseen realms, including conspiracy type people that then can easily feed false conspiracies. You know this is another topic false everything is a psyop nowadays all of a sudden right? And without nuance without discernment and then we project on others and they can be easily initiated by other forces we don't differentiate from right? So again it's all interrelated

44:07 The inner work helps you to become aware of the outside influences and helps them to choose what to align with and whatnot. Yes, I think he hit on something that resonates with me a lot where everything is fake or a psyop and it follows the exact same template. You had written about basically every big mass trauma event, every shooting 9-11 Sandy Hook all this stuff. And I do think there is a intellectual defense mechanism to just say it is all fake so I don't have to think about each individual case and the nuances within I can just say It's all fake So I didn't get fooled and that's like well...I don't know I think you have to hold each thing up to the light

44:50 There are some things that really do look like just a media event with crisis actors. There are other things that look like a lot of people got killed I don't think the elite have a problem killing a lot of people and It is a defense mechanism to be like, no I'm the smart one. You're not gonna trick me you're not gonna get one over on me so everything you do is in this box it isn't that simple I hate to say and these are parts of the pitfalls of conspiratorial thinking and as we've said there's a lot of them but there's also a real spiritual battle going on when it comes to the reason I reached out to before I dropped the ball It was over this work you had done on the COVID vaccine and how it's rooted in the spiritual battle we're under. And this gets into the work of Thomas Mayer's book, Corona Vaccines from the Spiritual Perspective Consequences on Soul and Spirit and the Life After Death My understanding is that he collected reports from

45:44 well over 50 practitioners of Reiki, body workers energy healers all the people who kind of see the energy and kinda see the field so to speak. And independently totally independently these people did not know each other but they all kind of described similar observations in vaccinated clients this is so bizarre Talk to us about some of these observations, because I just think it's like this is the unseen world that we aren't often participating in or acknowledging or even noticing. Yet it is being implemented and the weaponization of everything against us? Yeah yeah that's great. The whole COVID vaccine I call a spiritual weapon rather than biological weapons right? Yes! Very fascinating also for me now

46:42 anti-vaxxer, like I see it as a compliment. People use it as bad word but I've never... I was always against even since the 90s thanks to the work of John Rappaport already exposed the whole vaccine scam. Oh yeah he's one of the good ones. You remember him? Perfect. Yeah yeah. Yeah I interviewed him once sadly he doesn't... He told me he'd never do a two hour interview so we did a one hour interview It was great! You really have to have gone pretty deep to know John Rapoport. I feel like he hasn't truly gotten his flowers, but yes, I agree. He put me on that path early on too. He had this website nomorefakenews.com. I checked out since the 90's so... Yeah! ...I learned a lot from him. He is great writer too.

47:25 But yeah, thanks to him I'm like vaccines no thank you. But when COVID happened even before it came across Thomas Meyer's work, I was already approaching it as something else especially this vaccine that's affecting people in a different way than rather than just vaccine injuries or physical death that's as a given already right but there is something else happening And then one of my students of one of the courses I host sent me this manuscript of Thomas Meyer's book. When it was like, oh my god! This guy lays out exactly what I was intuiting and what I was writing about but couldn't really connect the dots. So Thomas Meyer wrote this book called COVID Vaccines from a spiritual perspective

48:07 Like you said, going very deep and collecting information from people all over the world who worked on people specifically taking the COVID vaccine. And he himself is also very deeply rooted in Rudolf Steiner's work in anthroposophy right? So he is also a meditator. He can see energies very clairvoyant. He has worked with the dead for over 30 years helping them transition and I had him on the podcast couple times. He's very grounded. He's not like this woo-woo out, you know what He is very German too, so very scientific in his research. Even like he sees his research as scientific research to understand the other realms

48:47 So, what they saw he himself looking at the vaccine especially people that died suddenly of the vaccine. Right? They saw there's something happening in the afterlife that they weren't making their transition. They got stuck earthbound. Oh wow! They don't make it through to higher realms right in this case based on Stainless Cosmology through the spheres right to the purification process to prepare for the next incarnation but they get stuck earthbound and Because they lost their connection to the eye, to the true self so to speak even to the guardian angels. So this soul got dislodged as a disruption in ether body and astral body. This is of course based on Rudolf Steiner's cosmology

49:29 And there's a rupture in all of that. And not only that, they became subjected to adversary spirits, right? So radical spirits negative entities that would kind of like keep them entrapped in the certain realm so to speak it sounds very like sci-fi horror movie type But you have to understand, all of this knowledge has been known about the spiritual world to all these ethic traditions. And I think we're living in a very materialistic world where our identity of our body always fascinates me. None of us get out of here alive so to speak but we don't want to learn about the afterlife experience right?

50:04 Or then you get this other extreme, which I don't know if we can touch upon but there's this whole crazy paranoid idea like don't go to the light reincarnation is a trap. Which I don't agree with at all. I think it's a very misunderstanding of the afterlife experience and Thomas Meyer talks about this as well. But the COVID vaccine Because besides people who died on it, does affect the whole energy body. It's kind of dislodges slowly the soul from your being so you lose your connection more to your divine essence and all that then that's why many people that vaccinated just went along with it or become a hardened in their ether body which

50:48 And the fascinating research, what Thomas Meyer brought in is also that he saw these spirits, this erratic spirits of transhumanism in these ampules. In the vaccines themselves! So people getting vaccinated with and you know from the spinal perspective every substance has a spirit spiritual component so to speak right? But the COVID vaccines have very dark evil spirits in them which people literally get injected with right? injecting an entity attachment, which influences their consciousness and all of that. But on the side now just to be clear right away and he made this point as well we need to careful not too over generalize billions of people get the vaccine doesn't mean that everybody's possessed and lost it really depends also on individual basis

51:34 their spiritual constitution, right? How many shots they got and how strong they were. You know there's even talk about that some shots were actually not real shots at all but they're a salient solution so not everybody automatically you know I know people who got injected we work alone I had people in our courses who took the COVID vaccine are completely fine So i just want to be clear that we don't over-pedalize here Yes yes That is important and I think everything ultimately fixable. I even been freaking out about this alpha-gale thing with the ticks and then a couple people brought to my attention remediation protocols where they say look, with these herbs we've seen 100% success rate in

52:16 removing this allergy to meat that comes from this weaponized tick. And I think nature and the unadulterated world has a solution for every problem that these psychopaths can implement It's just about discovering it because obviously these things aren't advertised so you have to go seeking for those solutions and navigating charlatans along the way. And sometimes when our health is in jeopardy we don't have time for that, so we have to just get lucky I suppose, but i do have a couple of quotes here from this piece where you said practitioners repeatedly described foreign artificial or inorganic energy structures within the etheric body as well as disturbances and the connection between the physical body and the soul like you said many perceived a densification

53:06 rigidity or deadening of the life force field, especially around the heart brain and central nervous system. Another common theme was a weakening or partial disconnection of the soul's anchoring to the body which you said some described this as a thinning or fraying of the etheric template which normally interfaces between the soul in physical form this was often accompanied by a sense that that the person felt less inhabited, less present or subtly displaced within their own body. And it's so wild because we have had this understanding engineered out of us or a better way to say it is we've had our ignorance engineered about all this stuff meanwhile they're tinkering away and they are trying to find ways

53:50 get in these unseen parts of the self that we don't even acknowledge exists. And based on observation and obviously some research and reading too, I think there's a lot of things Big Pharma does that gets at these exact mechanisms. I think SSRIs is a major candidate... By the way, in his book Thomas Meyer also mentions other pharmaceuticals like psychiatric drugs antidepressants all of that which also has similar effects but the COVID vaccine has the strongest effects Yeah and this is again just you did say this but I have to read it because it's hard to believe

54:28 When Mayer speaks of a vaccine being, he refers to the organizing intelligence behind a particular vaccine. It's a real being in the subtle worlds that carries a specific signature intention and field of influence through inoculation human beings not only receive a biochemical substance but also come in contact with this being and its associated spiritual ecology." Wow! So we can accept that there is some being, a vaccine being. But what can you say to give us more of the profile of this being? We can say it's dark but does it have a name? Does it have a place in the spiritual hierarchy? How can we drill down a little bit more on what that is or how it got attached?"

55:16 You know, you got to with Thomas Meyer's work. You gotta use a certain cosmology of framework so he is well versed. He uses the see through lens of Steiner's work and the beings he describes. So he calls it The Vaccine Being also because there are different types of beings and the most evil ones, the more darkest one are the psoratic beings, psoratic spirits right? Which he describes coming actually not from our earth from outside our world who are really here to destroy humanity, they're behind black magic behind the worst crimes of the world. Behind war and all that to really destroy humanity so thats kind of their almost intention so to speak its pure evil

56:00 And he also called them very fascinating. He linked them to transhumanism, he called them the seratic spirits of transhumanism because what he realized in his research that these vaccine beings as seratic beings not only dislodge a soul but they inspire this human being who takes a COVID vaccine to accept transhumanism so their very artificial metallic kind of like entities that want to install transhumanism, right? Because the whole idea understanding of transhumanism from a hyperdimensional or spiritual perspective is to the machine to take over human beings. Right? The emerging of machine with human beings which also then dislodges the soul more and more. So the more people accept this materialistic, transhumanistic version of humanity

56:49 that works in favor of the spirits because their intention doesn't mean that they're able to go through it, is to take over body mind and spirit as incarnational opportunities. I've called this in the past always quote unquote the alien invasion through our bodies right? People wait for them you know aliens gonna invade us project blue brim not only an invasion is already happening through us through the COVID vaccine you know what I mean? And then we already giving consent with the transhumanism and AI Now I'm not splitting, I'm not against technology or AI. It's all again what level of consciousness is using it but the more you give power to the materialistic world to the machines and you see it even nowadays hardcore transhumanists like master many others

57:35 This guy, Brian Johnson and whatnot like how they obsess with the physical body and physical extension of lifespan or whatnot. So they're very tempted by this, by this erratic spirit so to speak right? The temptation to extend life and being so identified with a physical body but that will drive out the soul more and more. And when the soul is driven out more disconnected that's the whole point of these spirits something else can come in That's why I always say that the antidote to the soul harvesting agenda is soul embodiment. It goes back to the inner work, so the inner work is not just like you know, to kind of feel better not project but also to save your soul. To save yourself the more your embodied the more you take charge within your inner life, the more you bring a soul to the front, the less you're affected by these other forces and that's also the antidote even like I said, I agree Thomas Meyer said everything can be healed but you need to also not just have it biological physical approach is not just about detoxing there needs to be a spiritual approach as well

58:37 the spiritual work and all of that. But he fascinating ties it all together how the COVID vaccine ties into this transhumanist agenda, right? And he said what I've also been talking about and he confirmed this as well we are experiencing a splitting within humanity at this level like people are definitely fully going on with the transhumanist agenda. But other people, there's a genuine awakening. There is something that people feel like I need to get more in touch with myself and do some other work. There is something dark happening over there so there's splitting happening and natural splitting. And the COVID vaccine

59:15 Kind of almost initiated that. And again, it affects everybody differently but he makes a strong correlation between the COVID vaccine and the transhumanist agenda from this hyperdimensional perspective. Yeah I think that's really amazing and Another great post of yours and a theme that I think makes for, a good thing to go out on all this is the only safe shelter becoming seeds for the next cycle on Dharma individualization and the Great Turning. And some quotes here You say, this shift is part of earth's long history. It's not about physically escaping what's coming but understanding the deeper message aligned with the next cycle. If you truly follow that call it will likely interfere with what your ego thinks it wants and may disrupt your life, your relationships and anything you hold close and dear

1:00:04 And that's why most people don't cross this threshold, even though they claim they want truth freedom sovereignty joy happiness and fulfillment. But they look for permanence in a world that is dying in the dead leaves in the past and nostalgia in their attachment to who they think they are Instead of becoming the seeds for the next cycle to be part of this rebirth process which includes death and destruction There is nothing to escape from it's the soul that matters not the body It's not about how long you live but about how conscious you are For only your level of being determines what you do and what this action aligns with as an instrument of divine will. This doesn't mean neglecting the body, care for it as the sacred temple it is for your soul but identification with the body believing this is who you are that is the imprisoning false belief of this materialistic dark age." I love it! Speak on this a little bit and just the time we're in and how to find

1:01:05 an alignment between our true will and becoming seeds for the next cycle. Yeah, I mean that's again... That helps the ultimate bigger picture understand even the term I use at time of transition speaking of Christianity doesn't... A term I got from Boris Murovya's work Gnosis, his Gnosis trilogy nothing to do with Gnosis but based actually on esoteric Christianity, their early Christian teaching before the Bible was even written in all of this he talked about that we are in a time of transition There's a new out of the age of the Holy Son to the Holy Spirit, to the Holy Father. Like these three cycles he talks in the context of the esoteric Christian tradition which ties into the Yuga cycles so we are in the shift of the ages shift of the cycles there is a shift happening even

1:01:53 Many people talk in different ways, traditions. But it's not happening within our lifetimes understanding that our soul incarnates over lifetimes and incarnation is a good thing. It's not a trap. That's another like conspiracy people dive into that and even I have to kind of disagree with David Icke on that level like he kind of went down the rabbit hole But it's a natural cycle in the terms of context of solar evolution and being the seed, meaning bringing in the energy already have to new cycle. That's there was Musra from Yugoslav talked about the same don't hold onto the old one also embody already did new cycle right? A lot of stuff what's happening in the world is not worth saving It just needs to be let go off In order to align with something you

1:02:34 But for that understanding, you need to have an understanding that it's not within your lifetime. It's better to understand even when having your children, you want to leave something for... Your whole life changes obviously once you have children right? So it gets you more motivated and not like off right? But even without like understanding, we come back around and again. So what do I mean by seed? Meaning like what we spoke about before aligning with Dharma or what is Dharma very Eastern term but it's essentially a deeper soul purpose meaning aligning your little world of the divine will higher well And when you quoted me there that the ego will not like it, it's not about your ego thinking as it wants. It speaks from direct experience because everything what I thought I wanted didn't manifest, didn't happen but I'm on a trajectory that I would have not believed you that I would be honored if you'd have told me 20 something years ago right? So my ego wanted one thing but spirit of divine had something else in store and they're more aligned with myself with that right

1:03:34 Understanding the trajectory can happen and change at any time, which is also more finely tuned with my inherent gifts and talents. Which still takes effort and will to work with right? You have a very great gift but I can tell you right away like... I love this. This is one of my best interviews by the way. The way you prepared the questions you asked now I'm serious because some people are like Podcasting has become so popular, everybody thinks they can do it and just interview. And you know this person doesn't know anything about work and it's a horrible thing but this is amazing! So this is your gift your talent right? Regardless of out of success you provide something that kind of really I feel seen if you heard I can present my work in the very... This is a gift you have. So what I'm trying to say we all have that Dharma for something unique in this field only you can do

1:04:23 and nobody else, even with other people in the same field. But this is what we need to align ourselves with right? And the more again we do this inner work I talk about the more become automatic and some people are more naturally in alignment with that. There's certain lessons you still need to learn and there are hurdles and challenges of course obviously But we need to give, not to give in to temptation. Like so many people just go on the next trend of what's popular and this and that right? What is really the inner call? In the inner call I'm a big student of the Bhagavad Gita. And this is very profound scripture thousands of years old which is all about Arjuna's challenge on the battlefield to engage in battle he doesn't want to do it he wants to retreat

1:05:07 escape life, be in Samadhi. But Krishna told him no you need to engage in life non-action is not an option but the way we do it we don't want to escape love if you want to bring the divine here we want to offer everything to God to align with the higher will So make every act a sacred act, so to speak that you're working for something high and that opening will already guide you toward what do you need to do. But it may not be exactly how you think is going to happen. We need to open we need not be fixated. That's what I mean becoming the seeds the more you come in line with your true nature through the inner work your true self the more you become a vessel for divine world that expresses itself uniquely through you

1:05:48 There's so many, you see look at the world especially nowadays with social media. Everybody is a carbon copy of somebody everybody says doing what somebody else is doing this the uniqueness their creativity is missing and this becomes even more so polluted with AI slop right me as a writer I see so much people like all of sudden become writers who never wrote before and it's just AI stuff everybody sounds the same Right? And I'm not 100% against AI, but don't lose your own originality because that's how God wants to work through you. So that's what I'm trying to say. You're... Be the seed. The cycle doesn't have to be this grand thing of saving the world but your unique part and that plays out in everyday life not even in the work you do about how you shop for your children or with your wife or when we go shopping, how we talk to the grocery person like, you know, be with their presence that already helps the world

1:06:40 to become the next, it's not what I'm trying to say. It's not this grand thing people think of purpose. Purpose is not a definition. It's not a career right? People think is that a specific thing you do can change at any time. I thought my purpose was being a drummer like I'm going to drum and go on this or that imploded then all my body work out in my own body. Oh, I'm gonna do this and now all of a sudden, you know, it can change at anytime the trajectory right but the essence is the same what wants to come through you and that's where we need I love it. I think that all makes for a great message and thanks for the kind words, I feel very at peace with how I found my thing you seem to be as well and i know there are listeners who've been on the whole journey for 15 years and I think that they can see it too and it isn't about me but it's just about if you can see it in a couple of other people then you can reverse engineer how you can do it for yourself and it's not that everyone is going to be a podcaster

1:07:39 You can find your gifts and then find a way to align that with the divine will. Everything you just said becomes seeds for the next cycle, and this particular time of doing so is more important than other times I would say. And so you're lucky to be here use it wisely And by the way, this divine will is not like going with the flow and do whatever you feel. Sometimes it's most often it's facing your fears Yeah and finding the calling What do you feel fear in calling? But even like myself I was deeply afraid of public speaking and all of a sudden was invited to conference doing podcast if we would have done this 10-15 I would have just sweated and get panic attacks So sometimes also we need to face certain

1:08:25 Well said, there's a lot of resistance built up in our minds because there is fear of failure. For many years I talked about doing something like this hypothetically because I could say in my mind well if I just did that thing I'd probably be successful and get out of my job and all this but until you do it you don't know so there's a fear of failure that holds people back And the only way to make it through is continue to fail until you succeed And if you're facing too much resistance, you got to recognize that and be like maybe this isn't the way I'm going to go a different way. And I think I faced just the right amount of resistance and had just enough success to get me to continue. And I'm quite happy in this place but as we are closing this out remind people where they can find your work in the various irons you have in the fire If they want to go deeper into it all

1:09:13 The best is my hub is my main website, veilofreality.com You can find that also our podcast the Cosmic Matrix I host with my wife you can find that one also on Spotify and Apple Podcast of course or my website there are many articles a lot of videos as well and also all offerings to my wife and I we host group programs time of transition about its own awakening do with her I personally host a program called Mastering Spiritual Warfare. It's a 10 week journey really into the unseen forces, what we just talked about and how to differentiate all of this can find that at masteringspiritualwarfare.com but everything is on my website veilofreality.com

1:09:56 Awesome. I love it well thank you for doing this and again apologize for my previous transgressions and thank Laura for helping me get a little insight into my buddy Gordon's last big adventure, it was very valuable and keep doing what you do and take care. No doubt thanks so much Greg take care And boom goes the dynamites there we go making it right through Gordon White may the dark prince of chaos magic rest in power I said it was sort of a weird thing when he passed that i suddenly started talking to several RuneSupers and Runesoup adjacent folks for this reason or that, many wanting to know more about the details of his passing. Details I don't even know

1:10:45 Or just offering mutual condolences but a couple of interviews have come from it on top of the ones that came for me completely. Independently stumbling on something that overlap so hard with our mutual interests like todd elliott and the cunning farmer book, It's certainly become part of my own grief process I guess and hope it isn't too annoying to listeners. I'm thinking most of these interviews stand on their own, except for a brief mention how they came to be in relation to Gordon's passing that shouldn't be a big deal. They do contain an influx of spiritual thinking because of course they do. Bernhard seems like a great guy though fun knowledgeable

1:11:28 Kind of where I am with conspiracy, which is that we've heard it all. Now what can we do with it? And its not just false flags and ritualistic celebrity deaths but materialism IS a conspiracy the quarantine around exotic energy information is a conspiracy even obscuring astrology would qualify So one aspect of the value of conspiratorial thinking after so long is to scrub these inaccurate models from your head and replace them with models that don't have to exclude the damned facts as charles fort would say there might be a couple out there but i've never heard of an indigenous community living in nature that has a materialistic or atheistic worldview.

1:12:16 there always seems to be some version of animism in there and they seem to see it as self-evident. I don't live in those environments, I take their word for it, I've got conditioning on my own but...I can be open minded enough to see well some version of that is probably a more accurate model than anything that was handed down to me from the credentialed cabal of the management class so hidden knowledge spiritual development inner work Those things do emerge as useful aspects of a self-directed curiosity about how the world really works. I don't want you to take this as me pontificating on some new direction for the show in general, we'll always return to the classics and follow new events that seem to be suspicious but when an interview like this does emerge, I just like to reiterate that it's a big part of what adds value to the knowledge seeking journey that is often presented as harmful to the psyche and all that

1:13:15 If the elite weren't so depraved, it wouldn't be so hard to take in. Right? I've seen things that i'll never shake from my mind and whose fault is that them for doing it It just shows you how sick it really is and how unhuman it is because even just to see a picture can fuck you up forever We know people who go too far into conspiracy and everything which clearly is its own hazard we have to calibrate and regulate Inner work helps with that as does repeatedly challenging your assumptions and models and you get it so i agree with burnhard going inward is important but like anything. I do know people who have gone a little bit too far in that direction and that leads to psychotherapy and medications it's actually kind of funny because,

1:14:09 Without the inner work the conspiratorial rabbit hole and the abyss can lead you to insanity without the conspiratorial skepticism of the system trying to do the inner work in a mainstream way, can also break you beyond repair so you need both but i do know people who. Overthink themselves into this place of well maybe i am on the spectrum or they'll seek a diagnosis for adhd to go with their hunch that they might be adhd, just so that they can finally get that stamp that they can lean on when they don't wanna do something i even know people who have said.

1:14:54 My therapist told me I have all the hallmarks of someone who is sexually abused. I just need to remember or identify the one in my life who did it to me that's extremely dangerous and how really bad rumors get started Burnhardt of course he didn't say any of this you didn't recommend getting yourself into the therapy pipeline i know he knows better than that. What too many unconventional people still within the matrix that is, the modern industrial corporate version of inner work which is to say a bastardization of it which we can apply to almost anything so i shouldn't waste much time on it just a thing

1:15:38 Sometimes people and lacy unpack the never ending layers of the onion that is them and then we die it's like alright well what's the value sometimes i wonder. Eventually gotta just say this is who i am these are my tendencies i got a fine inner peace with that and as gordon would say find what is mine to do, I know i have hurt people i was actually a rare case of being bullied and being able to leave weirdly enough i had a real mouth on me if you can believe it but rarely did ever lead to physical confrontation probably the physical conversation i would've deserved.

1:16:21 But when it did, I was pretty helpless. So I have mouthed off to dangerous people and been very lucky. I've had both backwoods Missouri trailer trash and hardened inner city St Louis teenagers, I guess young adults threatened me with weapons for my mouth If my parents ever really knew that I've had knives held up to me more than once, i think they'd be absolutely shocked. But I lived in the suburbs yeah the suburbs are nice white picket fence all the corporate drive-thrus you could ever want but you go a few miles and one direction and your in the trashy rural drug fueled areas with no opportunity No hope there's some dark individuals there

1:17:09 And then you go the other direction and you're in the city with one of the highest murder rates year after year during my whole upbringing. It's easy to forget that if you don't leave the Arnold bubble, but looking back it was pretty insane I would frequently run into people who didn't give a fuck in a real way from completely polar opposite ends of the spectrum You go far enough into the extremes and it becomes a horseshoe right? But I am kind of lucky to be alive when i really dwell on a few of those very sketchy nights. And there's less serious things like the hazards of young love, I certainly hurt a few ladies who really...I was lucky to have their attention at all but they didn't understand their own value and maybe sometimes I wasn't super kind about that and the ego got away from me. I guess that's all to say

1:18:03 That young life and young love is messy you get hurt in early escape some life changing dangers you sometimes yourself being the bad guy to everything in balance they say. But we learn from these things we try to get better and we just move forward, sometimes it's not much more unpacking to do than that but everyone's life is different that's just how I process mine good interview though the vaccine beans Was wild just the idea of the vaccine a spiritual weapon more than a biological one pretty convincing. Thomas mayor seems like he really wrote a good book i will have to check it out in full, second hour for plus members went and some very unexpected places the idea walk ins and spiritual rituals for creating a demonic vessel for the human body spirits don't like that

1:19:02 His 13 year old UFO doc and what it gets right, fully deconstructing disclosure, demonic attentions of some shamans and dark shamanism in the perils of psycho-nodding too long. And his experiences with it Which reminds me i am aware of how cannabis keeps coming up in these conversations and maybe this is an internal message being projected externally a mirror for myself to look at. I do consider that i'm almost ready to maybe hang out my hat to some degree but really, I don't ask for much i crush it at work my wife and i are amazing full time totally dedicated parents we barely ever drink. We don't really have much socialization i think we earn that joint at the end of the day or that's what we tell ourselves, it might be my one bad habit that indulge in almost every day everyday but i do think indulgence is part of the human experience and actually

1:20:03 Has been coming up in a more direct way and a couple of other interviews i've just recorded that haven't aired yet so that's where my head but you will see. Either way one stop today become a plus member get the full two hour interviews that i do and use the seven day free trial no need to put on a credit card no need to remember to cancel just get in there, And higher side news i do have a big trip coming up you might remember for my fortieth birthday, a lot of friends in my most inner of inner circles all came out and stayed at rvs in my backyard it was very fun one of the most memorable weekends of my life.

1:20:41 And it kinda kicked off a tradition in our group cuz its hard to put a pause on life for more than a week. A year for a lot of people with parenting and jobs so it's become a thing that whoever in our group is turning forty that year they get together and they come up with the plan for one big party combined group trip thing, and very much in my nature just say hey why don't you just come to me come here But this year the forty turners picked maui my wife and i have never been. And so we have a week in maui in july and i'm trying to make sure i stay ahead of the work schedule, so of course im coming right out of the gate july first with a show and i hope to get one more up before i leave and then they'll probably be a gap but i have my editors both of them working on two shows in my absence now get right back to work when i get back

1:21:38 So don't worry if it feels a little long, I will have all five shows to you as expected. It's a stormy one today but at least things are getting watered. Okay let's take a look at the last episode review Dave Column! A guest i really liked not every single take but very fun to listen too and he can get pretty raw with some things and he is a well-educated professor I believe he is married to a direct descendant of the founding cornell family which is why you never fears major consequence this is what i've heard. But i am glad that he speaks so boldly whatever the reason or safety net he might have because so many others still would not dare but sadly this is one where i guess i'm a little out of alignment with the plus people because it's only got a four point five,

1:22:30 Now I've seen it jumping around higher, but i have to go with the number on the board when the time is up. I'm not broken up about it, I would still have him back... ...I'll see if there's enough stuff in his next year-end review and maybe we'll do it again But I really did not expect to get dinged so hard on this one When it gets into political topics though some folks do get a pretty itchy trigger finger for hearing things they don't like And I'm going to assume that It's mainly that Now for the meetup calendar. First up North coat point, Auckland New Zealand North coat Tavern July 6th and then we have St Paul Minnesota black stack brewing July 19th Oaks Pennsylvania Arnold's family fun center July 20th Pullman Washington Rico's public house August 8th and that is it good stuff go to higher side meetups.com to make an event of your own meet your local community or just get more details about one of the ones I listed there

1:23:32 and RSVP if you plan to go. But that's it! I appreciate Bernhard letting me set things right, his videos and writings are great if you got a sense for them today and feel like you want to go deeper in these sorts of directions for yourself but I've done my part Your move materialist model engineers spiritual dimension deniers and vaccine bean birthers You're fucking... Do you feel betrayed by the ones you're told to trust? Well you know you don't get much help from the ones that beat you up like a dog that don't obey We're just left to lick the... They say it will be okay And the cycle continues, we don't seem to care for those who come after repair Redding circuses really is an awful trade But what are you gonna do? We see the crash is coming why won't

1:24:49 Apathetic to the next collision Haven't even had the time to heal So, the cycle continues Make this space Once you come after Much love lost in this place They don't change their ways at the top so we gotta change ours Make all the nop and tell the story Just wanna be comfortable I guess Easier to believe a lie Cycle continue Cause it's all about once they come after Can try to get there

1:25:48 We always have the numbers, we never have the drive. We sometimes have a mindset right. Relation to hunt hard to truly go so again And the cycle continues... We don't even need all of the ones that come after us because no one can learn from our mistakes