Bart Sibrel | The Moon Landing Fraud, Apollo Mission Inconsistencies, & NASA Lies

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01:37 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. I'm Greg Carlwood and these are The Hireside Chats Brace yourselves once again, Hiresight Chatters from sunny San Diego. I'm Greg Carlwood and when you see the full court press in complete coordination of government media and corporate controlled everything to craft the narratives around pretty much any and all occurrences that just a little digging often shows are incorrect omitting major important facts or even sometimes a complete 180 of the truth

02:26 It's no wonder that critical thinkers, rebel scholars and counterculture armchair journalists are combing the archives of the human story and holding pretty much everything up into the light to give it a more careful second look. From the timeline of history to the Earth and space itself, many people have been lied to so often by this capstone cabal and their culture creation cronies that they'd rather throw it all out than be blindsided by another falsified fiction that they took as fact. And I can't say I blame them! One of the major issues at the crossroads of both official history and what we know about space is the infamous manned moon missions

03:02 Events that many Americans grip onto tighter than their TV remote controls. But the further we get from the 1960s, the more obvious it seems that they probably never happened and what the world was really shown was a soundstage simulation And with us today is a guy who's been dedicated to this very issue for many years, Bart Sabrell. Bart is the filmmaker and the man behind the very popular documentary A Funny Thing Happened on The Way To The Moon as well as Astronauts Gone Wild where he confronts many of the so-called moonwalkers and asks them to swear on the Bible that it happened as we're told it did...and needless to say, it didn't go well

03:38 He also has a new book out called Moon Man, the true story of a filmmaker on the CIA hit list that reveals a lot of new information not only about the Apollo missions but also the wild ride it's been to be investigating such a highly charged topic showing the proof to major studio executives and being seriously threatened along the way. He's been punched by Buzz Aldrin, kicked by Edgar Mitchell and mocked by many who just can't see past their patriotic pride. The moon landing lampooner Apollo mission truth teller and NASA fraud exposing filmmaker extraordinaire Bart welcome to the higher side Well, thank you Greg. How are you doing? Oh I'm doing all right man how are you doing yeah not too bad considering Yeah trouble times and all that but Man this is gonna be great been a fan of your work for some time Have seen what i think i need to see To conclude that the Apollo moon footage Is less than genuine But i still get so much pushback on this issue So having you here to break it down is a real treat

04:36 And we were all believers once, right? We understand it's something that a lot of Americans want to have happened. But the more you look at it the less likely that seems and talk to us about your process of going from someone who had the pictures on your wall to the guy who made one of the most popular and well-known moon landing hoax documentaries Well I like you said believe that the moon landings real for quite awhile I guess people had no reason to doubt it, you know? You just assume the government's telling the truth. Of course! And i was allegedly four years old at the time so i was asleep in bed however my father was an officer in the United States Air Force

05:20 And he received kind of a VIP package of 9x12 color prints from Apollo 11, the first alleged mission to the moon. He gave them to me as a cherished gift and I had them up on my bedroom wall from that day forward every day for 10 years before I questioned the authenticity of him so when i was 14 I saw a television program that had on it William Casey, who worked for Apollo as a contractor for Rocketdyne with top security clearance who said we didn't go to the moon. And I'm like oh that's interesting and i guess it was good that the idea caught me as an open-minded 14 year old went back and looked at the pictures that I'd seen 3 650 times before

06:07 And I guess my eyes were wide shut. There are hidden signatures of the fraud right there, one example the most famous picture of allegedly Buzz Aldrin course he can't see their faces He has his arm bent at about 90 degrees now the spacesuits now because of the pressurization problem not having mobility in the wrist and the elbow. They now have kind of metal joints there that are airtight, but they're metal joints otherwise it's very difficult to bend your arm at a course 90 degrees which it is in the picture and The thing supposed to be inflated with pressurized air which would have to be if he was on the moon But what should be really difficult to do on earth

06:56 And I guess maybe they should have run a hose out of the back or something. But, they...I guess they had the cooling units removed so they wouldn't fall over backwards when he turned up their conditioning and there's wrinkles in something that supposed to be pressurized like a balloon. You know how many wrinkles are in a balloon, right? Not many! And then back in the original pictures the soil of the alleged lunar surface and background landscapes were very different colors If you can get a hard copy from a library or online an actual publication from 1970-69 something like that, 71

07:38 you'll see the soil is this very caramel brown color, and the backdrop is kind of a grayish blue. And you can see pretty much where the fake landscape begins and where the real dirt is. So they later color corrected that now the soil was blue-gray and the background's blue-gray the Chinese probes that were unmanned, that went up to the moon recently. And I believe they did go there for a number of reasons. They show the soil as being caramel brown, you know? So... That 10 years goes by and I start thinking about it in the back of my mind and I had become a filmmaker when I was 24 years old

08:26 10 years after that, I was editing a program for the guy who produced the program that I had seen with William Casey on it saying we didn't go to the moon. And I'm like hey you know it's kind of interesting can you put me in touch with the guy? They give me the San Francisco production office and I think they said had I called a day or two later they wouldn't be able to tell me his name because they delete all ten-year old archives every ten years so He finds out I'm a filmmaker, he suggests that I do a film about it. And I thought about that for six months. You know the shadows intersect and the background and foreground look different and all sorts of strange things...and I thought there was at least one out four chances that the moon missions were fake

09:14 And I thought that's kind of a sobering possibility, right? If the cops show up and say one of your four neighbors might be a murderer. I think it's a highly significant percentage. So one out of four chance that the government lied about the greatest event in all time embezzled money murdered people to keep in a secret could have happened So I turned down the project for fear of my life. I thought if they didn't go to the moon and I start overturning these rocks, you know could be dangerous and I wanted to have a wife and family someday so I turned down the project And another five years go by and another client says they'll get a famous script of mine to Hollywood producer

10:01 If I do a favor for them, they say read the Bible. So it was June 3rd 1989 The day the guy stood in front of the tanks in China and got a one-year Bible started June third in the middle of the Bible and over the next four years I'm sorry five years. I read the Bible five times from cover to cover now wasn't it a Christian? however, I did believe In a God a judgment for how we live here and right and wrong, and that I'm going to die anyway. So if I were gonna die, might as well die for a just cause because the way I figured it Greg is if they could go to the moon that would have a certain significance historically to mankind, a certain level of importance however if they did not

10:53 and embezzled an equivalent of $200 billion, murdered people to keep it a secret, lied to the encyclopedias, lied to colleges, printed coins out them held ticker tape parades for them and gave him medals of honor for lying. If that's true if that's the case I realized that's actually more profound historically than if they had actually gone. It is a much more compelling moment in history for them to have the audacity, arrogance, pride and juvenility to have faked it. If that is true then highly much more significant than if they'd actually gone. And so I realized if that is the case, that's an important truth mankind needs to know otherwise we can't

11:41 improve, you know it's like painting over mold and keep painting over it and eventually you know You're gonna get sick from it And he could tear down the walls or even tear down the house. You know to get rid of them old We're at that stage if the government doesn't come clean or confess or change which they're not likely to do at all then You know we're in serious were already in a serious trouble and so I changed my mind I got financing, believe it or not from a board member of an aerospace company that builds rockets for NASA. Who knows they didn't go to the moon? He's the millionaire who gave us $1 million to produce if anything happened on the way to the moon and astronauts gone wild. And I was still trying to give them the benefit of doubt you know they probably did go but there's so much odd about it you know that administrator resigned days before the first mission

12:36 The crew that would have been the first crew to walk on the moon, according to the dead man's widow and son who is a 747 pilot. They were killed by the CIA. The crew that would have been the first crew to walk on the moon, not my opinion their opinion. I interviewed them for hours and hours they asked me not to put it in the film so i didn't and now that Betty Grissom is deceased i'm putting it in the book Moonman which oh yeah it's at Sibrell.com s-i-b-r-e-l dot com always be closing And I must have been halfway in the film. A funny thing, think up to seven years to make it just to edit the 47 minute film. I spent two to 4,000 hours editing the movie together. Impressive! 40 hours a week for up to 2 years just to edit it as good as I could and

13:35 Then, toward the end of the project I'm trying to scrounge up footage that I don't have. With non-linear editing I could go back and put it in and I can't find the shot that I want so I go through the last tapes which had been redundant but find some unedited reel of footage of a fake one-foot model of the earth that they're pretending is floating in space as if they're halfway to the moon. Right with the track of audio of the CIA telling them how to do it, it's unbelievable So I'm looking at this footage and it says at the beginning of it Do not show to the public like oh this would be interesting. Yeah hit fast forward

14:13 And instead of seeing edits, I see the same shot for 20 minutes. A little blue ball with black around it bouncing around at 20 times normal speed. I'd say well let me just you know listen to this from the top and it's like the screen is mostly black with maybe grapefruit sized ball in the middle that looks like the earth and this is allegedly according to their own description part of the unedited footage they intended to be broadcast There's only one window that faces the Earth, and we can't even look out of it because the TV camera is blocking it. Because you'd have to have the lens of the TV camera up against the glass to shoot the tiny Earth far away like they're claiming this footage is. NASA says Goldstone says the TV picture looks great. The video footage is not even going live to NASA. They can't even see it.

15:09 the audio has a certain kind of EQ to it, kind of like talking through a walkie-talkie type sound. And after they say you know the Goldstone says the TV picture looks great there's dead air for one two three four seconds and then we hear someone not the astronauts which has an EQ sound also not NASA which has an EQ walkie talkie sound We hear a third party crystal clear on top of a microphone wherever this is being recorded And the person says, talk. And then Neil Armstrong starts speaking so at first I thought well he wasn't paying attention and they're like reminding him pay attention it's the CIA or something in a third channel of audio

15:53 And then I realized, well no he's still in Earth orbit. They basically went up in Earth orbit so they could have eyewitnesses of them going up and real zero gravity footage of the peanut butter sandwich floating by and they could really splash down but they never left earth orbit this tape proves it because their faking being halfway to the moon which all tell you it's a forgery, which means they can't go halfway. And the CIA was telling them because they're still in Earth orbit and they're supposed to be halfway to the moon they have to fake a radio delay. Because if there really 130 thousand miles out like they claim for the part they intended to broadcast on the date then it would take a couple of seconds for this signal to come out and a couple to come back and actually much longer than four seconds! Because today just talking from CNN in Atlanta to Iraq

16:43 you know, just between those two rooms. You know there's a delay now actually if they are really in Iraq it's about a 2-3 second delay with the best latest satellite technology so you can imagine go through AT&T phone lines and back and forth the thing probably would have 6 8 seconds later something but in any case The talk was the estimate of a 4 second delay and they were basically telling him don't speak because it'll give away that you're really close to the Earth. If they ask you a question and answer immediately, that means you're nearby but you're claiming to be halfway at the moon so don't talk until we tell you too." That's why the guy says talk and then Neil Armstrong immediately answers NASA. They're faking their radio delay. That's on the take two. Because it's unedited, the lights come up and you see it's one foot model using in the window of the spacecraft inner orbit

17:36 And they're 100% faking being halfway to the moon, which even my greatest critics admit. They admit that they're faking being halfway to the moon because it's so undeniable! So people—my greatest critics who will never give up that they went to the Moon I mean, you could have a guy on the moon take off his helmet and eat a sandwich. And they say well that was some ice crystal bubble that fell from a comet you know they come up with an excuse for something so They admit that this is fake footage and their explanation is that there were they're just rehearsing For an upcoming telecast I'm thinking well I mean if each minute is about a million dollars in each ounce is about a million dollars

18:23 I don't think you need to bring up a fake model of the Earth, and all go to this rigmarole when the real Earth is out the window. So you would just rehearse with the real Earth out the window. You wouldn't need to make a fake Earth which my critics admit they're doing. They're making a one-foot fake model. They admit it and they still say we went to the Moon anyway." And then, you know shadows that intersect that should be parallel and the weird behavior of the astronauts. And then mainly this footage of them faking being halfway to the moon right in front of your eyes and then the segment calling him from 130 000 miles out that actually appears in NASA documentaries as part of the authentic record going to the moon! Do you follow that?

19:06 So the part that the critic acknowledges as a fake Earth rehearsal, it's actually in the NASA record being genuine. It's exact same shots, same audio, same moment in time. Here is the unedited version and here is the edited version and they're claiming they are halfway to the moon on every NASA record with this exact same footage so What can you do? And then as I'm finishing up the movie and it's been out for 20 years, did a bunch of interviews during the 50th anniversary. Someone contacted me who was there when they

19:45 faked the filming of Apollo 11, which you have to buy the copy of the book Moonman at Sobrelle.com to find out but he was there when they filmed it in 1968 at a military base here in United States stood beside President Johnson holding TV cables while they filmed that and He gave us also a list of 15 people who were there at the time as VIP eyewitnesses What is it yeah a really great overview of so many things and a lot of. Elements you touched on i hope we have time to dig deeper into but just for people who don't have this in the forefront of their mind when we say that the astronauts are in

20:31 low Earth orbit versus going to the moon. I mean, that is a massive difference right? We also need to talk about the Van Allen radiation belt but the moon is said to be 250 thousand miles away roughly obviously it changes from time-to-time but low Earth orbit or this area where we think that they can get you is how many miles out The space station is at approximately 250 miles above the Earth. So just pick a city that's 250 miles away from you, make that vertical going up to the sky and that's the farthest NASA can send people from Earth today with 50 years better technology. What they're claiming seeing how 250 miles which is all that they can do today is one thousandth of distance to the moon

21:21 So what they're really claiming is that they had a thousand times better technology in 1969 than they do today. Because if you could go to the moon on the first attempt with one millionth of computing power cell phone, they would have been on Mars ten years later we'd have astronauts and another solar system by now and there be bases all over the moon it's only time in world history that technological milestone could not even be repeated 50 years later, when it should be 1000 times better. The atomic bomb went off for the first time in 1945 and 10 years later they were 1000 times more powerful. When Lindbergh flew across the Atlantic in 1927 ten years later thousands of aircraft are flying over the Atlantic one hundred times more complicated Elon Musk just over the last couple of years

22:11 blew up five rockets trying to land vertically. And he had six computers on each, you know around that rocket and it's six engines I think and each engine had a supercomputer synchronizing with the other supercomputers and He's trying to land a rocket Vertically and it blew out five times in a row before we got it on the sixth try so how could they land a rocket vertically on the moon six times? with one millionth of computing power of a cell phone when they take six attempts to do it with 1,000,000 times the computing power. That's an interesting riddle." Yes it is and just to talk about a few other issues with that footage... Of course there's no burn crater under where the lunar module was supposed to have landed you don't see any stars there are intersecting shadows which suggests

23:08 a soundstage with electrical lighting rather than one light source, which would have been the sun. They took three vehicles that also look like they're made out of tinfoil and popsicle sticks but they didn't take a telescope! That's interesting. The flag is waving... We've also seen the walking on the moon It really is just slow-mo footage when you speed it up a little bit. It's just like regular walking so this idea that they were trying to simulate less gravity by just slowing the footage down I mean, that seems pretty clear The fake moon rocks That's an interesting side note to it and of course the deleted data where the hell is all this data? It's like they had to destroy it because

23:56 In today's world, we'd obviously have people combing through that for all the little details and there would be so many holes in it that they were just like get rid of it. Get rid of it like its the wreckage at ground zero on 9-11. Get this stuff out here! We can't have people combing through it." And those are just some of things. Of course you've talked about these things and more but theres a pretty long list of discrepancies and holes right? Yeah, I mean you can prove it basically three ways. Four ways actually. You have the footage of them faking being halfway to the moon which the critics admit is fake footage and yet NASA uses it in their documentaries as authentic. We have two shadows five feet apart intersecting at 90 degrees when parallel

24:47 shadows should be the case in sunlight. I mean, just go outside on a sunny day and stand next to your friend no matter where you are or where the tree is the shadows will run parallel so if they're intersecting at 90 degrees then a picture from the last mission to the moon Apollo 17 from objects five feet apart that is not sunlight it's impossible which means its electrical light which means they're on Earth and then you have deductive reasoning You have the fact that no technology has ever not been able to be repeated 50 years later in the history of the world. And I would add part two to that, you also have the fact that they're claiming something is 1000 times more proficient than they can go today. There's not actually a part C

25:41 ever been a flying machine in the history of aviation that took off the ground on the first attempt. Not a single time, never happened. Not a single time for brand new aircraft spacecraft nothing ever got off the ground not even the biplane of the Wright brothers you know that didn't get off so going to the moon is at least 1 000 times more complicated than a 747 rocket which was made with 10 years you know, newer technology. It was made in the 70s and it took 168 engine tests to lift that fuselage off the ground because they couldn't find an engine that could do it. 168 attempts so not only do we not have ever in history of aviation a flight working on the first attempt, we have the most complicated one 1 000 times more complicated than the 747

26:38 Not only has it never happened, it's the most complicated one happened on the first attempt. And then finally the fourth reason proof is an eyewitness testimony from a guy who was there and confessed it on his deathbed and gave us the list of 15 names, the name of the base, the dates that was found, and the code name for the project. So you have four to six rock solid proofs And you just have a TV picture controlled by the federal government and you just have to take their word that it's on the moon or wherever they say it is. Right, right. And I like that you talk about the star issue because you make the point that if they had allowed people to see the stars which clearly you should be able to we would have so many astronomers pointing out discrepancies well where's this constellation look at this angle and again

27:33 Again, it's like well Let's just take it out so that nobody can use that as a way to catch us in a lie And then we have the astronauts at the post-flight press conference and they're asked about stars And one guy says we were never able to see stars I don't recall what Stars. We could see and then another one says I don't remember seeing any you Don't remember seeing stars from the moon pretty strange pretty strange and the fake Moon rocks? I just wanted to say I can't remember which country it was but we gave fake We gave moon rocks out and one country tested them, and it was just petrified wood. So clearly we've given ... The US government has given moon rocks away that aren't real and

28:15 you know, the list goes on. But here's a question that comes up a lot in my conversations about this so let's say yes the moon landing as it was shown is just a Hollywood soundstage simulation but what about going to the moon with secret technology they didn't want to reveal? The Roswell crash was in 1947 that's a lot of years of reverse engineering if you believe any of that now we have researchers talking about a secret space program existing because they don't wanna reveal technology that would disrupt the energy and transportation monopolies of oil and gas. What are your thoughts on the idea that there actually have been advancements in space travel behind closed doors, and maybe even men on the moon using technology that they just weren't going to disclose? So that's why they made all this fake footage to say yeah we got there but we can't really show you how we did." Well that's a psy-op

29:08 The government doesn't care why you believe they have the capability to go to the moon, only that you do. So if it takes aliens and astronauts communing with them with secret crews and radiation in a good film or whatever... You know, you can believe that. They would love for people to believe that. It doesn't matter why you believe it as long as you do so this whole alien thing to mislead intellectual community that can see the obviousness of these were shot at TV studio is to misdirect them The fact is they shot it at a TV studio because they couldn't do it. And there's no actual proof of Roswell or anything else, those could be deceptions of some kind also we don't know you know what we do know is that they faked going to the moon and if you were really had the capability to go you wouldn't fake it and there are certain limits two things I mean No one has done cold fusion yet

30:04 And even though you can go faster than the sound barrier in a commercial aircraft, there's only been one in the last 50 years. And it crashed because that's pushing the limits of what you can do. That's why we haven't improved really the jet airplane except for fuel efficiency and 50 years so I think there are limits to it And, you know, they just simply faked it because they couldn't go. I don't believe in aliens. I think that's a whole deception too. After all, Edgar Mitchell who spend his life saying he went to the moon when he didn't spend his life saying aliens are real. And they really want us to believe in aliens, last time I was out of town at a hotel HBO had like 10 movies three of them were about aliens from outer space now if three other films were about what a great president we have or three of the films out of ten were about how terrible of a president we have

31:04 you would think someone's trying to alter your opinion, right? It'd be pretty obvious. Three added to one third of every movie at random was about—at least at that time—aliens from outer space which is probably a deception seeing how the guy who said he walked on the moon says aliens are real. There's a great book out —you can link to it— called The Privileged Planet which can prove mathematically that actually there should be life nowhere in the universe. And there's a great TED talk on this as well, that we are it and that actually can be proven mathematically through deductive reasoning

31:45 And so mathematically for everything to line up the way that it is here, it'd be like statistically winning the Powerball lottery 20 times in a row. It just can't happen therefore its intelligent design and even a new program I thought was a one-time thing but apparently they made a series out of something called ancient aliens Of course! And they admit the science because about 15 or 20 years ago They did something called The Eve Project They took DNA from every nationality they could, they traced it backwards in time and they came to an absolutely scientifically proven conclusion which is all humans on planet Earth came from one woman. Biologically a fact which happens to be what the Bible says now. They say rather than God because how can a woman just appear out of nowhere

32:40 somebody or some entity put it there, put her there. Right? And so they say aliens did it. It's kind of interesting. That's why I couldn't believe the thing is a series for three or four years because I would ask in third grade excuse me sir if we're made by aliens who made the aliens? Fair question! You know and the idea that a flower and a bee can, you know, invent each other knowing about the other or something like that. I don't know... The privileged planet goes into this and so if aliens are actually fallen angels— Now we're talking! —then they would lie. They could come up with technology too physical craft that could fly out of the ocean

33:29 you know, hover in the air maybe. Maybe that's where the technology came from because the top two UFO researchers—one Frenchman and one American studied for decades—came to the exact same conclusion independently which is number one UFOs are real and number two they're not from outer space they're from Earth. And then they both added we think they're demonic. Yes! Now So an alien could tell Eisenhower, right? Who's really a fallen angel. Yeah I come from some galaxy far far away which can never be proven or disproven right mm-hmm if they say I'm the fallen angel then that would put the fear of God into me and they're known as being liars right who's the father of lies now Ezekiel 13 I think says that Lucifer the leading fallen Angel wants to ascend and be like God

34:21 Now, if they're saying aliens made mankind and aliens are really fallen angels and the fallen angel leader is Lucifer what they're really saying is that Lucifer made mankind instead of God. Interesting. That's what they're actually saying. Man, you know- Unknowingly or unknowingly? You know what I mean? Right right. You know sometimes in these interviews i don't like to get too biblical or religious but honestly honestly i do find the idea that aliens are repackaged demons to be super interesting and some say that the physical realm is the devil's playground and it certainly seems like that today

35:04 And those kind of angles I am intrigued by. Just going back to the Apollo missions, one of my big head scratchers is why do this six times? If you get away with it once, why have five more faked missions and five more opportunities to get busted unless you want to invoke that 666? Well... I met two people who knew from military NASA type of people who knew the moon landings were fake before I did, who tried to convince me they're fake. And there are my sources in the film which I was producing under the theory that they might have faith going to the moon not knowing I would find concrete evidence of the fact he said it's just money. I mean didn't Halliburton or somebody charge $40 for a plastic ice cube tray? Just one, not even a set

36:01 in Iraq during the war over there. So what you do is, you fill it up with water and set it outside at night and it freezes. And if not, you have to use a $12000 freezer that they also sell But any case, he would. Apparently they're milking the thing for every dollar that they can just like the mafia has a fried chicken place and it's really running gambling out of it. The government does this same thing now. The rank and file of the people high percentage probably in the 90s of rank and file people in the federal state and local governments are honest people. The problem is this presidential appointing system

36:46 When the FBI director, Justice Department Director, EPA director should be nominated from within. Voted on from the inside because they know who's honest and they know who is not and they're 100% qualified. They've been there all those years right? This idea of you know... Because people are told in the FBI that you will not investigate this don't do it if you want to keep your job Right. So in terms of the money, so the United States spent 25.8 billion on the Apollo missions between 1960 and 1973 which is like 200 billion today it's a lot of money by 1960s standards or today and now I know you're not a flat-earther at least i don't think you're not...I'm definitely not but what I like about Flat Earth channels on YouTube is that they are

37:38 constantly hyper-analyzing other footage that comes from NASA and they find some incredible evidence that makes you think NASA never stopped faking this kind of stuff. There's one piece of footage from even a SpaceX launch where you can see a mouse on the rocket engine and they say it's a piece of frozen oxygen, but it looks pretty clearly like a mouse crawling around on there. And they have a lot of other great examples of green screen usage, examples of astronauts that definitely seem to be on wires rather than floating in zero gravity What are your thoughts on NASA's credibility overall, or in more recent years? Are they just faking this stuff and taking the money or did they only lie about the Apollo missions. Well, the term wicked originates from a candle wick and if you look at one closely there generally even though they look like their one strand, actually two woven together The Truth with the Lies

38:39 So they're harder to discern because if everything the government said was a lie all the time, then we would just believe the opposite. However they intermingle and so I did study the footage of the Elon Musk rocket mouse and I studied it as a filmmaker for several minutes maybe half an hour or something and came to the conclusion it is not a mouse It's ice crystals or something like that, that just looks like it. However it doesn't mean they're not faking other stuff I've seen alleged space station footage That seems to be fake to me more than one time

39:27 But that doesn't mean the earth is flat. Right, right. Okay? It doesn't have anything to do with it. The earth could be a triangle and it's about government corruption Exactly what abou- What about the Tesla car in space because that doesn't add up for me for several reasons why would they allow a giant one-ton car to even go up there when it could hit other satellites or it could fall back to Earth. Seems like a very risky proposition and it also didn't look real to me, and how come the glass didn't break when it was shot up there? I don't know... A lot of questions but it just seemed like a marketing gimmick It almost seemed like Elon trolling NASA for saying like hey, I can fake some stuff too

40:06 I don't know that's one angle that i find compelling but, that was just another thing that didn't look right. I'm no professional but it didn't look right. Yeah I didn't study that one there are people friends who think its fake. I just you know have time to go into it and half of what they do is fake half as real probably So it doesn't mean they don't have a space station. It doesn't mean the Earth is flat, they're just cheating like they always have done and continue to do. And so it doesn't mean that can't go to space or anything like that. The Mars probes, the ones from the 70s and even the ones now there's a lot of things about those that look fake. The whole face on Mars pyramid could easily concocted back

40:52 and leaked it out to the UFO community because they want people to believe in UFOs. These people fake the moon landing, you're going to trust them? They said this is a man standing on the moon when he was here on Earth! So if they leak out pyramids...and they do look like pyramids and there's three of them and that looks man-made to me but that doesn't mean that they're not fake pictures Even the zoom in on the Roswell thing could be fake for all we know. We just don't know mm-hmm these people are shrewder than we are and I played a really good poker player one time and just outwitted me all the time terrible Just take it all with a grain of salt basically he knew all of my buttons quickly Right, right And one other thing I wanted to make sure we fit into the first hour was you had mentioned that

41:44 that the CIA had murdered people involved with this and I think you're referring to the Apollo 1 fire. And, I wanted to have you talk to us about this little saga and what happened there because i don't think many people are aware of that story but it's pretty interesting yeah that's the second to the last chapter I believe in the book and it's called NASA's greatest fear You know, sometimes I'm asked and it's a pretty interesting question. What difference does it make whether they fake the moon landing or not? And that's seemingly valid point. It's just the counterfeit at least initially dislike you know fake painting or fake hundred dollar bill if they killed no one then I would agree with him completely. It's kind of one of many lies in a row problem is they did kill people

42:38 And it's not my opinion, it's the opinion of the dead people's relatives. And they go into great detail about how their husband and father was murdered by the Central Intelligence Agency specifically. The dead man says to his wife the day before he burned alive in a quote accident that for some strange reason the CIA is all over the launch pad at NASA for the first time ever I wonder what that was all about? And the next day the guy's dead You know? So, faking the Moon mission without killing anybody. Yeah... one of many whatever The problem is they killed their government employees to keep it a secret Gus Grissom we're talking about the Apollo 1 crew that would have been the first crew to walk on the moon was the most beloved astronaut of the public and the press he was going to be the first man to walk on the moon

43:36 And he was highly critical. He hung a lemon the size of a grapefruit on top of the rocket and invited in the media to take pictures of it without permission, calling that thing a lemon! The top of it... A lemon... piece of junk. Before the guy dies in a fire which I believe they killed two other people along with him to make it look like they weren't singling him out They can't even get an intercom wired between two buildings to work How are we going to go to the moon if we can't talk between two buildings? He says, they say what I can hear you. And so according to the dead man's widow who I interviewed for hours and hours on the dead man son is a 747 pilot. They have forensic evidence that the CIA killed their husband and father along with the 2 other guys.

44:31 It's not the first time that has happened. The Fox special, which is superb and it's probably on my YouTube channel somewhere under documentaries there was all these other deaths I never even knew about like six Apollo astronauts having fatal accidents within a three-year period of one another You know, there were six homicides in one restaurant in three years. Accidental accidents at the restaurant! Six people in three years? I think the homicide detectives would be all over that place and then whistleblowers, congressional whistleblowers dying in accidents... My source who was there when they filmed it he already died because of a deathbed confession but his relative

45:22 The last time I talked to him, he was alive. He himself was dying of cancer and confirming details and he said they visited him and threatened to kill them if he talks to me again this was within about two years ago so i called the FBI I called the White House press secretary a senator on the United States I think they call it intelligence committee and you know let them know what's going on I received death threats and I called up my Senator, said, I'm a journalist getting death threats. Can you help me out? And the problem was taken care of very quickly. So I think they probably backed down and the bad guys got to be careful because they're being followed themselves and being monitored their phone calls, whereabouts and so forth and so on

46:22 the whole little scenario there where the guy lived, his house was broken into also and disabled security camera and all that stuff. But that doesn't mean you know the good guys weren't watching and recording what was going on and who specifically did it? And what their names are and where they work right so you know... What can you do I hope to put it behind me. You know, it's kind of scary just saying all this stuff and then go into more detail in the book about my espionage adventures. Yeah you know? I've known for a while they were fake and then when you hear from somebody that was there, I witnessed it. It's like a cold glass water on the face all over again. And you know chills you to the bone to know its true

47:12 Yes, and so along those lines obviously you don't want to reveal who gave you the deathbed confession or what base they worked at and what the code name of the project was. And you have this list of 15 names of personnel that had access I've heard you talk about that a little bit Of course there's big names on there That you said before like Lyndon Johnson and Warner Von Braun To be expected But you say that the list did not contain the photographic or film industry professionals. Well, another big speculation is that Stanley Kubrick helped and you did drop a little Eyes Wide Shut reference at the beginning so I had to loop it back around to that. What do you think about that rumor? Obviously, you had to have talented people—to some degree talented—

48:06 involved in this fakery, are there any big names from Hollywood that people would know? Do you think Kubrick was involved?" Well, there were two apparently entrances to the military base where it was filmed. And my guy gave me the front door entrance that went through security checkpoints. Other people were probably already there or had done their work and left or who knows what So these were eyewitnesses for whatever reason. They wanted these 15 people there, one of which was Johnson. Buzz Aldrin was there. Neil Armstrong was there and interestingly Michael Collins was not there. They did not want him having a mental image of it and that's one of the mistakes in that segment you mentioned before. You can even play a clip of it in editing. In fact do you remember seeing any stars? And Neil Armstrong says I don't recall

49:05 And then Buzz flinches and Michael Collins trying to help out says, I don't remember seeing any. Remember that's what you're supposed to say? The fact is my Collins went there for hoops and back then the only record of this was a transcript that the press would get so in the transcript it says I don't remember seeing any as a remark coming from Buzz Aldrin not Michael Collins because Michael Collins misspoke And what a coincidence, lightning struck twice in the very same place. Not only did he misspeak—he wasn't there—a typographical error occurred and they attributed that remark and the only error in the transcript that I know of to Buzz Aldrin to cover the fact that Michael Collins misspoke. Otherwise what difference would it make if they really went to the moon? He was just camaraderie, oops or whatever."

50:07 And some of these people on the list I'd never heard of. Had to look them up, and some I still don't know who they are. One was like a science fiction writer by the name of Emanator— he's still alive actually! To get the rest you can go to Sobrelle.com and get Moon Man. You'll get the name of the base, the dates it was filmed, the code name for the project, at least 15 people is all mentioned in the book and given to me by the chief of security of that military base on his deathbed. And there was somebody else who knew of Emanager, and he mentioned to me that in a separate publication

50:52 of Emanager, maybe a biographical work. He mentions being at Cannon Air Force Base I think during that time... Oops and I mentioned the name of the base but oh well. You can edit that out or allow it but basically in case you want to edit it out and he basically mentions in his book that he was at that particular military base on those particular dates for quote classified reasons So it's interesting. And then the website for this military base used to boast President Johnson visited us at such and such a time, and when the research was started to confirm this they took it down off the website. According to a person who researched Lyndon Johnson's itinerary for those particular dates given in the book that are not accounted for—never says where he was during that time—he was actually only there one of three days of filming but

51:47 Hmm. Well, so what do you think about the Kubrick question though? You know there's people out there that are saying... Oh yeah well you know if I were them and faking the moon missions i'd want to have excellent quality now you could hire the media director of the pentagon and get good security in amateur results or you would have to invest in the short-term benefit of convincing people which is what they had to have done what I would do and worry about security later. And what a coincidence, Stanley Kubrick is shooting a film about going to the moon! And to this day it still might be possibly the best science fiction film ever made still to this day including real...I mean some matting for outer space spacecraft and stuff but like fake zero gravity and everything it's pretty good so that's who I would have hired

52:46 And there's a film about Kubrick's alleged connection. And they point out like in the shining, the Red Room boy had Apollo 11 hand knitted shirt on. Yeah and there's all these references moon references throughout the movie. Yep and it seems I mean if one quarter of it is true then Stanley Kubrick was the one who did it and that's who I would have chosen anyway that's kind of a side note I don't talk about it actually in the book because I wanted to stay on track right but that's who I would have hired any probably he probably shot the first one And then they took it from there after that. I like the narrative that those researchers lay out, the exact clues you're bringing up and then he gets brought into the dark underbelly of the whole cabal system He sees what happens at these mansion parties. He makes eyes wide shut. He reveals too much and he's dead before the movie comes out and it has a re-edit It all seems nice and tidy to me! I'm interested in that provocative

53:51 narrative. Well, there's another little note he insisted contractually that his last film Eyes Wide Shut which is an interesting title that it opened on a particular day he insisted He wanted it to open July 16th 1999 and he had them agreed to it And then he died before the date which happens to be the 30th anniversary of The Launch To The Moon Wow didn't know that so I like it. The last thing i want to say, to kind of bring all this back to the moon issue which is obviously the main topic at hand... You have talked about

54:40 Showing this halfway to the moon footage this absolute proof too many TV executives and I believe it was an NBC. Executive said i believe you this clearly does prove it but im not gonna show this because i don't wanna be responsible for the civil war that would be caused by showing us on the air well, What do you think would actually happen if the American government admitted they faked the Apollo missions? Because I think it would just be one big nationwide shoulder shrug, to be honest at this point. No, no. You know what, I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one and here's why.

55:23 The moon landing fraud probably killed fewer people than any other government fraud. I mean, 200 witnesses apparently were killed to cover up Kennedy and maybe 15 people were killed keeping the moon landing fraud a secret. However, people prayed for them and they cried and they waved their flag when they held ticker tape parades for them and they gave him medals of honor for lying. I think the emotional burn from that will be severe. And I think it would cause kind of a silence, not a shrugging of the shoulder and dead silence and it would wake us up to be beautiful and marvelous thing if that happened It would help transform the world in our country Fair enough Well, I do hope the truth is revealed in many many ways and I do hope that people wise-up and has an effect

56:29 And I will just keep hoping for that and we'll see what happens. But yeah, we can pray for the truth to come out and it probably won't come out. I think a comet or asteroid or something like that's heading our way. By the time that gets here, the public is not going to care about whether he went to the moon or not they're gonna be asking where his water is gonna come from? Right well... I guess we'll deal with that when it comes, but this has been awesome man. You do know this moon material inside and out? I really appreciate your dedication The book is a nice addition to all the other work you've done on this and before we call it in I guess I would ask what's next for ya Well, I want to do a feature film. I'm trying to produce a feature film my first one called silence in heaven

57:16 And it's a secular film with kind of a spiritual sci-fi type of fantasy kind of thing going on. Trying to get that off the ground, that would be a good one. It's already written some of its cast working on raising the money and going through the casting and so forth. So... That's my current project Oh! And The Game you know? The game was just released on Apple phone and Android and will soon be God willing, Mac desktop Windows desktop and steam. And Steve and it'll be cross platform you can play from your iPhone to someone else's Android phone you can play from MAC to PC MAC to android phone in any combination when it's officially out of two platforms now both fun formats and you can download it sobrel calm just scroll down at the bottom keep

58:09 clicking on the game 7 because it's a seven by seven board with Seven pieces each that have to move seven spaces every turn I got the idea from the book of Revelation all the sevens in there So that's about to be released. The book is done then hopefully it'll just be the film awesome, well That game sounds interesting. Cross-platform is key, not always easy to achieve so kudos to you on that and remind the people where they can get the book watch the films and keep tabs on all the things you got going on yes the website Sibrell.com but also you have a YouTube channel by the same name and anything else they should know

58:46 Yeah, it's all through Sibrell.com so all of that is available including the book links and the way to buy a book print Kindle or audio I did the reading of the audiobook you can get an autograph copy watch the links for free and play download the game also Awesome well i do appreciate someone who has a website as their central hub because we need to get back to that and get away from all these corporate third parties getting between people and their audiences. Yes so it's just my last name dot com subrel s as in sam I B as in boy r e l subrel .com and you can find everything there

59:31 Awesome, and I'll link it in the show notes of course as well. But it's been a blast! Thanks for taking the time and doing what you do keep fighting the good fight out there man Thank You Greg take care Yes, The Power Of Christ compels your people Bart Sabrell The Moon Man himself He knows the deal better than almost anybody And it was a pleasure to speak to him personally The further we get away from these events the more obvious It is that they didn't happen right? Just the technological trajectory alone makes no sense. I posted some meme on Instagram the other day that highlighted just how basic the computing power was, we're talking days of desk-sized calculators and not much further along than vacuum tube computers

1:00:20 And I looked it up so you don't have to, but the Ferranti Mark 1 is considered the first commercial vacuum tube computer from 1951. And the first mass produced computer was the IBM 650 in 1953. Well not exactly the same years but we're a lot closer than that then we were to a smartphone let's just say it that way But its fun subject to revisit It's nice to go over again with such an impactful guest from this space No pun intended. You know I like to let guests talk without interruption, and i'm totally open to spiritual angles to many things but you also know one of my big pet peeves is going out of one's way to proselytize when it doesn't really have a place. I'm probably closer to being a rogue counterculture christian than any previous time which isn't really saying much

1:01:17 But it's the reciting of bible quotes that gets a little bit under my skin, A lot more than the general philosophy itself. So I let it go a couple times and then in the plus show we kinda had it out It is what it is! I like Bart, I respect his work on The Moon Landing and his bravery really! I enjoyed his book as well And some of the consequences of being The Moon Guy are pretty scary actually And I know from Astronauts Gone Wild that Bart is actually way more comfortable with confrontation than I am, so it probably feels like a bigger deal to me anyway. Funny that he did actually drop the name of the base! It's one of the details he tends to like to keep in the book but hey i didn't say it and now you know But I'm happy with the show today. I like to remind myself of the laundry list of things that don't stack up to scrutiny The fake moon rocks The deleted data The awkward interviews

1:02:13 I like revisiting the lives of the astronauts post Apollo and the things they've said that are quite inconsistent with even each other. If we can get more people on our page with what feels like a very obvious deception, i know alot of people don't want to believe it but let's face it you know? Then i think we could open the door to wider acknowledgement of media and government coordination and coercion in simulated events Clearly it still goes on. I would say it's a lot more sophisticated now, but even still It's pretty sloppy if you know what you're looking for But I do try to walk the tightrope between fun Interesting and unexpected and then the big stories that we do need to cover But don't need to go back to week after week like a lot of other shows might So I try to keep it balanced and diverse And this was a nice detour from beating the same old drum which we will be beating next episode a little bit

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1:09:25 I hope you know the elite aren't your friends They'll suck out everything from you in the end And if for some reason, you think I might be wrong I wonder where you got that opinion from You gotta keep the curtains drawn Cause you don't want anyone thinking you're at home Well you're not. You should tape the mail slides And baby if I seem withdrawn, let me say it's cause' I just don't wanna go and get whacked Maybe you should know that the trauma affects you like it does everyone It's just a game plan. It's what the world has become They want a pat down and a swap Don't you see what's going on? Well now you know

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