Ashton Forbes | The MH370 Teleportation/Abduction Case, Orb Footage Analysis, & The Deeper Story

00:11 The five puppet masters all most surely have a plan There's clearly maybe something there on the show You've thoroughly tested every last crotcheted view, nonetheless Without THC we know they're lying to us But this don't hold too much agree Without THC the hearts I can't show believe

01:01 So say we all hire side-chatters from the Sunshine State, I'm Greg Carlwood. And on March 8th 2014 the Malaysian Airlines flight known as MH370 was on a journey from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing and disappeared from radar systems, stopped making communication with air traffic control and essentially vanished carrying 12 Malaysian crew members and 227 passengers from 14 different nations. Making it the deadliest incident involving a Boeing 777 in history To this day, there is no real official story only speculations that it crashed into the South China Sea due to some sort of malfunction or a suicidal pilot making his dramatic exit. But friends and family say that is extremely uncharacteristic of the person they knew and the 25 country search for wreckage never found anything truly convincing other than a small wing flap that critics say could have came from anywhere

02:00 Adding to the mystery is the fact that the transponder was turned off and all on-board and underwater tracking devices seemingly failed. Alternative theories range from attempted hijack, to a targeted takedown due to who was on the plane Most commonly assumed have something do with 20 employees from Freescale, a semiconductor company being onboard But just two months after the flight's disappearance, an obscure YouTube account Regicide Anon who frequently posted UFO-related videos had posted a video of satellite footage of a plane that seemed to match MH370 being encircled by three rapidly moving orbs. The orbs eventually synced up with a locked rotational pattern around the craft and then with a sudden flash, the aircraft disappears from midair!

02:50 Oddly, this clip sat on YouTube for years without anyone really taking notice. Later a second thermal video clip of the same event from a completely different source also surfaced making the idea of a hoax less likely and attempts to debunk the footage have been less than convincing too many quickly A community of independent researchers and curious enthusiasts formed via Reddit And a new investigation was underway Curiously, several accounts and communities have been banned from Reddit along the way which only works to make it seem like someone very much does not want this information or the footage out there. Well today we're talking to Ashton Forbes who has emerged as the leading representative of this alternative research effort

03:34 And whether this was a mid-air multidimensional abduction or some Philadelphia experiment 2.0, I look forward to getting into all the various threads and details that make this case as provocative as it is convincing! So let's do it citizen journalist seeker of truth and the MH370 disappearance detective himself Ashton Forbes welcome to The Higher Side. Thanks Greg thanks for having me on today Yeah, thanks for doing it. I really wanted to try to get all the foundational context out of the way so we could get more into the meat of all this but is there anything you would add or change to what i just laid out? Yeah there were a couple little inaccuracies in there So first the official narrative has it flying into the South Indian Ocean not the South China Sea however it did go dark over the South China sea which is important to point out because there are two significant events that happened for this plane

04:28 One is at 1721 UTC over the South China Sea, where the plane does indeed go dark. And the reason why this is important is that for the whole plane to go dark it's pretty mysterious or requires multiple things cascading failures to happen simultaneously from researching into it seems impossible that the pilot could have done this on their own. It would require either coordinated effort or some other additional people to be involved for that to happen The second event is the event that we see in our videos or the event where the plane disappears. And that's at 1840 UTC, that we've come to conclude. The official narrative would have you believe that at this location, this plane turns into South Indian ocean and flies for another five or six hours until it runs out of fuel and crashes into the sea. So that's the only correction I would make otherwise. I think you're pretty close right now while I'm not surprised. I screwed a couple of things up

05:19 But crucial to this whole argument that UFOs or orbs, or some exotic military technology teleported this craft out of the sky mid flight is the authenticity. Of this really wild footage if the footage isn't authentic than the whole thing falls apart and the alternative community is always plagued with hoaxes and fakes it almost never ends so we have to spend some time early on going over the reasons why we should take this footage seriously Make your case. Well, the first thing I would say is why is this footage reemerged? Is what people ask and how is it only now nine years later even though we've been able to prove that this footage was originally from 2014 that people are taking it seriously and answer that question is that our collective conscious has risen to a point where we can accept what we see in the videos to be real We needed to see the DoD Navy 2017 leaks which showed us what military infrared drone cameras would even look like

06:18 Without that, we had no basis to understand that the MQ1C Grey Eagle Thermalized Color Video is authentic. We also needed to see the 2019 Trump satellite leak. Before that, these satellite images are some of the most closely held guarded secrets of the US military. We had no idea what their capabilities might even be. But in 2019 when Trump leaked that picture we had a very good idea of what a low Earth orbit imagery light might look like and it turns out the satellite we think was relaying this information was sent up in the same year as that satellite which is USA 224 now In addition to that we have to understand the science And from 2020 and beyond, there's been a number of papers now that have shown that humanly traversable wormholes are consistent with theoretical physics. Not just that but they don't necessarily require exotic matter in any way and that they could create a shell around an object that can allow it to go through the wormhole without negative effects The last two things we needed are relatively recent LK99 superconductivity Humanity is on the verge of superconductivity which will change and reshape the world

07:21 Prior to this, that it seemed like too far advanced so we might not ever see anything like superconductivity. And just as an example of what that might mean is that your phone may never heat up again you may be able to have a phone has battery life significantly longer than what you have right now when you're able to transmit power over long distances with no degradation or loss due to heat And then the last thing is AI. So when we look at these videos, it looks too unusual to believe that it could be real many people including myself believed initially this must be some non human intelligence because it looks so exotic but when you take into account the fact of AI chat GPT that we now use on a daily basis You start to understand what we see here as a computer program That's being run potentially by an advanced artificial intelligence that can very accurately create the pattern that we're seeing

08:10 So that is the basis to even understand these videos to be real. Then beyond that, from a debunk perspective you need to come up with a comprehensive story for how these videos could be hoaxed And the lynchpin there is that you have a very short window of time from looking at the archive footage that we have from Regicide Anon account, specifically the satellite footage. The description on there says received March 12th 2014 That's just four days after the disappearance of Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 So unless you believe that Regicide Anon which as he pointed out was just a UFO YouTube account Was somehow directly involved in the hoax

08:49 then there's really not enough time to even begin to create these videos. There is nothing that these videos would have come from either, they would be completely original works so I have a list that i think will pretty conclusively show that there's no chance that these could be faked now the upload date on that video is May 19th, 2014 which is roughly 72 days after. So the first thing is that if unless you believe that Regicide Anon was involved you have four days and if you think that they were involved somehow now you have 72 days so you have between 4 and 72 days to create the first video there's no reference copy

09:26 You'd have to know how to create realistic volumetric clouds. The clouds that we see are extremely accurate, there's no discrepancies anywhere throughout these videos from a visual effects perspective not in this single frame you would have to know how to accurately animate the cameras How clouds form at the low altitudes because we see these are cumulus clouds which only form at very low altitudes? How to accurately reflect the light off of these volumetric clouds The zap itself Accurately illuminates the clouds in the foreground and in the background You'd have to know exactly what MH370 looks like and the turn radius of a Boeing 777 in its certain altitude while it's in descent, which we've also proven that is turning and it's in descent from the videos. You would have to know where the plane was at this exact time which is in Nicobar Islands because we can see that there are coordinates on the bottom of the screen you would have to know how accurately animate these coordinate shifts that we see in satellite video

10:21 You would have to know what the weather was like in the Nicobar Islands because we've shown from the weather satellite imagery between about one hour before or after this event that we can see these low altitude cumulus clouds. You'd have to also accurately be able to create the smoke that we see trailing from the plane and the particles involved in that, In addition to that, the orbs as they're going through the plane you can see that they're distorted when they go through the smoke that's coming off of the back of a plane You'd have to know what the thermal looks like to the level that would fool experts. And I'm talking about the MQ-1C Grey Eagle drone here, this also means you have knowledge of military classified systems that were completely unknown to the public as i just mentioned we had no basis for what this would even look like until 2017 unless you are somebody who is already in the military

11:07 You would have to know to create a frame rate difference between the mouse and the satellite footage in the background, where there's a 24 frames per second versus six frames per second difference which indicates that it was filmed on a Citrix session. So you would've had to build that into the hoax videos as well. You'd have to know what type of mouse they use which we believe is a plural view 3D-type mouse which is used to basically move the screen around similar to how you would move Google Earth around. You would have to know what satellites US has an operation or what their payloads are You'd have to know what the false color IR looks like in the satellite imagery that we see. How to create the 3D stereoscopic imagery that we see from the satellite video, We've converted this video That we see is scrunched together side by side as two different cameras angled down and it can be converted into a 3d video where you can wear red and blue glasses And you can actually see it in 3-D. You have to know how to animate those orbs In addition to what I mentioned from the flowing through the back of the plane and the particle system that we see

12:06 that is in front of the orbs, it's pulling them forward almost like a gravity engine. You would have to know what the MQ-1C Grey Eagle drone looks like what its payload is and how to get the camera angle exactly correct to be in the right position You would also have to know not to use a 2D visual effect in a 3d environment, which is the debunk that most people think of. They don't realize it's a low quality effect from the 90s It's two-dimensional In order to create multiple different angles we see someone would have to render a full 3D environment Which would then necessitate using a 3D Visual effect or doing a high amount of effort to convert a 2D visual effect into a 3D visual effect

12:44 And then most importantly, you would have to know that we would never find the plane not even nine years later. Otherwise the whole thing would fall apart. Wow yes! You're making a hell of a case and when I look at this footage i think it seems pretty interesting of course you're looking at something that you've never seen before so the term ontological shock which you mentioned a lot does apply and you have to watch it over and over again to try to see What you think it would look like if orbs really did teleport a plane out of the sky. The debunking that did the most damage to people's enthusiasm, you did reference which is this claim that the portal flash we see in the video was an asset from a video game called killing time from the 3D console back in 1995 I personally was not that convinced by that because

13:37 A modern fake would have much better tools than a pixelated game asset from 1995. There's stuff baked into VFX programs way better than that, so you'd have to go really out of your way to extract a file from a defunct game from a defunct console back when I was in the fifth grade So that didn't really add up to me. And we can maybe mention the person who made that claim and the sketchy details around them popping up out of nowhere, but the other claim I saw regarding the satellite was that if it was a satellite image, the satellite would be much higher in the sky. And I thought about that and I was like, hmmm... Maybe? Because it does seem kind of parallel or eye level with the plane or even below it

14:30 at some points, but talk to us about that because we are really digesting two pieces of footage. The gray eagle drone footage and what I think is called the USA 229 satellite footage. Yeah so there are multiple different types of satellites that are out there So you when you're thinking of a satellite looking straight down You're thinking about geostationary satellites These satellites pretty much stay in the same position, but they will shift north and south a little bit just due to the rotation of the Earth and access to Earth. They are at roughly 40 000 kilometers in the sky which is very very high in the sky! In order to take imagery it's been assumed that these have radar dishes that are similar to what Hubble may have so extremely advanced now with respect to the ones that we are seeing and the one that Trump leaked these are low earth orbit satellites LEOs

15:21 Their altitude is roughly 900 to 1100 kilometers, depending on which one you're looking at. So this is roughly 40 times lower to the ground than those geostationary satellites, which is why you see them at such an acute angle. There's another type of satellite orbit as well called millennia orbits Now these orbits are somewhat oblong and unusual, and these make better sense for command satellites that are relaying information. The one that we see the designation on the bottom of the satellite footage is NROL-22. The debunks you'll find out there from Newsweek and France 24 incorrectly state that these are either NROL 77 or NRL 33 those are both incorrect And those are only facts in those debunks just for record

16:04 Now NRL 22 we've shown is roughly around the North Pole at the time of 1840 UTC looking down directly at what we believe to be the satellite that was sending this imagery here to the Siber system, USA 229. We were able to recreate the exact location of this now USA 229 very importantly has a sister satellite right next to it that's officially classified as debris if you go look it up in Google but amateur astronomers have noticed it This is important because we need two satellites that are looking down to create the 3D stereoscopic imagery that we see. So this is the smoking gun, this satellite has a satellite pair in the exact right location to take the video that we see now some people have argued that the satellite would be moving quicker that we should see more apparent movement

16:50 Now, I would also argue as well that we don't know the capabilities. These are all classified and when the USA 224, the Trump leak was proven people didn't think that was possible either because it's removing all this atmospheric interference so would otherwise be in the way So I would argue that it's no problem for them to incorporate the movement of the satellite into the video that we see, especially because what we think we're looking at here is a large very large field of view like battlefield space. That would be equivalent to a real time video playback of Google Earth where the user can move around and what's happening is all these different satellites, both the geostationary and the low earth orbit ones are transmitting data through this network called the SIGINT system. And the SIBRS system which is signals intelligence and space based infrared system. The purpose of these systems is actually to track missiles boats planes and battlefield awareness that I just mentioned so the idea here is this is all relaying information to create a battlefield map

17:47 And this essentially negates any concerns about what the screen should be looking like or the satellite moving. Because if you're somebody who's trying to view this battlefield space for intelligence purposes, no, you're not going to want it to be moving at a high rate of speed and needs to be something that is something that is perceptible to the person who is logging in there looking at it. I think that makes a lot of sense and you mentioned the mouse on the screen which people should know is because this footage is Somebody captured it from like a seat like we're sitting in now and took an imagery of the screen in front of them so you don't know how big that screen really is or what the original footage contained they were just focused on this one event because clearly this is probably the most interesting thing going on at the time.

18:36 And when people watch the footage, it is like a dual screen. We see two side by side images. This is what you're talking about with the 3D stereoscopic aspect because these two images are combined to make that 3d effect And if someone was gonna fake it, they wouldn't go to that extreme. I don't think so that is pretty interesting and So if we could I'd like to jump to having you walk us through what happened and why it happened? and then we can backfill it with all the different details as to why you come to these conclusions because

19:12 The footage probably leaves a lot of people with more questions than answers and I understand the community is a bit fractured over the possibilities so, i want to hear the narrative that you consider most likely now that we've made a pretty damn good case that the footage is authentic. Yeah, and before I do that. I want to mention and just reply to what you just mentioned there which is that there's a ton of intent that can be gleaned from the videos And everything that i've written about has basically been deduced from just watching the videos so The mouse you mentioned there's two different analogs at play There's a black mouse that you see that does not change the coordinates

19:50 So what we're seeing here is we're looking at a Citrix session. We're not looking at someone who recorded it with a camera, they didn't use their phone when they recorded this that were actually logged in and used the screen recording of their actual monitor you can actually watch the mouse move off to the bottom left of the screen out of the screen and to the top right now that indicates so what we're looking at is a cropped version of a much bigger field-of-view as you just pointed out This actually shows intent as well In my mind, the person that leaked this was not a spy because if they were why are you trying to crop out information? They also crop out the drone as well. So it seems like they were giving us the minimum amount of information that would be required in order to solve the mystery

20:28 which to me indicates that the person that did this was somebody who was directly involved, somebody that had emotional reaction to what they saw. They were probably one of the operators themselves and realized immediately when they saw it that the world would never get the truth and the only way that would happen is if there were a leak enough evidence to be able to prove it which they probably thought just from the first video due to that 3D stereoscopic effect. They knew amateur astronomers would be able to pinpoint USA 229 and the time that had happened in the coordinates indicated at Nicobar Islands Now that being said, let's go into what really happened with this plane. So the plane takes off at roughly 1642 UTC from Kuala Lumpur and it's going to Beijing Northeast. It has an uneventful flight for the first 45 minutes

21:15 At 1719 UTC is when the final communication happens, which is good night Malaysian Airlines 370 from the pilot. There's no discernment in their voice there's no alarms going off in the background everything sounds completely normal 64 seconds later the plane goes completely dark and it gets lost on radar It's no longer tracked on flight radar tracking And this is the point where we have presumed now that a fire has broken out. Presumably there was a minor explosion that happened for this fire to start based on the 221 kilograms of lithium-ion batteries that were in the plane These lithium ion batteries are extremely dangerous There's a Straits Times, which is the Singapore newspaper report indicating they were not properly security screened

22:00 If you go look up the history of lithium-ion batteries in airplanes, especially from 2010 to 2014 you'll find there were a number of planes and deadly incidents that occurred due to these. It was such a big deal that in 2015 the FAA created new rules and regulations so that these lithium ion batteries could no longer be in the cargo hold of passenger planes If you just go mail a letter at your post office, one of the questions they will ask you is that if there is any lithium ion batteries in your letter. That's how serious it is in terms of these being in the cargo holds now there are a number of witnesses that corroborate this event who have either been discredited or dismissed which need to be vindicated first as Mike McKay

22:40 He was on an oil rig in the South China Sea. These oil rigs are elevated very highly, so he had a very huge field of view and on the horizon He saw MH370 burning his account has been misrepresented to say that he saw the plane crash He actually will himself say he did not see the plane crashed. He just thought it must have crashed because Fires are very deadly events on planes And the planes not gonna last for a very long time if it's on fire So he saw the plane in the correct angle at the correct time, at the correct distance. Not just that there were at least nine witnesses or accounts from the coast of Thailand and Malaysia that heard a loud bang at exactly 1720 UTC around the time of our event. There were two are actually more than two but several fishermen who are also on a boat and they saw the plane flying low very unusually at 1730 UTC which is roughly 10 minutes after the time where these lithium-ion batteries ignited

23:34 The reason why the plane would be flying low is that when this explosion happens, presumably it did depressurize the plane. So when they were developing this cover story they talk about how the captain depressurized the plane and sometimes when people are lying they will use an element of truth in their lie as well. The thing is that the story doesn't match up for that because if they were trying to kill all the passengers you would stay at a high altitude where the passengers would not be able to breathe or the masks oxygen on the masks were out If it's an emergency event you're trying to save the passengers, then you're going to fly at a very low altitude under 10 000 feet where there is enough oxygen for people to be able to breathe. And this is why in 1730 the fishermen on the boat saw the plane unusually flying very low

24:15 This plane flies all the way back across Malaysia and is going directly to the nearest emergency airport, which is Penang Langkawi International Airport. Now there are some other smaller airports that are nearby they probably would not have been able to accommodate the 777 and this is the airport if you look at The Wired article about the simplest solution generally being the best solution where they argue that this would have been the correct move for the pilot to make us go to this airport Now keep in mind 1730 UTC and 1752 UTC by the time they get to this airport is roughly one to two in the morning. The airport's closed, there's probably not a lot of people there that can help out so the situation at this point in terms of why did they not land? They fly over this airport it was either that it wasn't safe to land or that the resources were not available or if the plane was damaged in a way and it simply could not land. The fire scenario accounts for this

25:08 by pointing out that the plane was probably damaged and unable to land at this point. So we have presumed and speculated at this point, that there was some communication that this event didn't necessarily take out the communication system. And if that's the case, then those communications would have been classified by the US government for the same reasons why these videos and fake narratives have been developed is to protect the fidelity of the technology that we see that gets deployed So when the plane flies over Penang, the co-pilot's cell phone pings the station as well. Which is an indication that they were trying to get some communication help or whatever might need to be done. There are some clues that communication attempts were made at this point The plane flies directly towards the Nicobar Islands and our coordinates in our videos The official narrative would have you believe they lose contact at 1822 UTC And that's the last radar communication

26:01 However, at this point I'm fairly certain that is a false assumption that they've made in terms of the radar being lost. The reason for that is this radar data was only released weeks later all the official reports from the next day say that they lost contact at 1840 UTC which is the exact time we have put our videos at at this Nicobar Islands location So the plane is approaching the Nicobar Islands location and then there's a witness Catherine Tee is on a boat she had been going from India to Phuket Thailand She sees a glowing orange plane and I've actually spoken to her recently and did an interview with her which i have posted on my twitter account you can read for yourselves. The two major aspects of this video or several major aspects of her sighting are that this glowing orange plane would indicate that the fire had broken containment, and that the chemical gas, the halon gas, the reaction would have released a chemical that caused this plane to glow orange due to the gas permeating throughout the entire plane

26:59 This was the part where we reverse engineered the fire scenario and found all these other additional witnesses that I was aforementioned. I had a hard time trying to understand how this plane could be glowing orange from her scenario, and it could not be due to the orbs that we see because these orbs are going much much faster than the plane they would have had no issue keeping up with the plane So the more logical scenario there is that the gas and the fire suppression devices had been able to partially put out this fire. But these lithium-ion battery fires are extremely dangerous if you consider these birthday candles that they have, that never go out That would be a good analogy Is it you can put it out but then its coming right back up again due to high amount of energy

27:37 And the most common cause for these lithium ion battery fires is there being a defect in the batteries themselves. So this is not something that you can fix from being on the plane, you need to get it on the ground and you need to isolate these batteries. So the next thing that pilots are going to be trying to do is land the plane and only where you're gonna try to land it would be in the ocean. There was an intercepted communication only reported in Chinese news that claims to be from MH370 saying that it is disintegrating and attempting an emergency landing In our videos and corroborated by the witness Catherine T, the plane is relatively low not at cruising altitude. And throughout the time of her sighting she sees it descending significantly we also see the plane descending in our videos as we've proven from recreating the flight path of the plane and the circling attempt of the plane We also see this smoke in the videos Catherine T reports seeing a very dark black smoke coming from the back of the plane She thought that maybe the engines were having some type of problem

28:36 we would now speculate that is coming from the lithium-ion battery fire that had been not adequately contained. So all of these events corroborate the same situation, same scenario and emergency event scenario so if they try to land a plane in the ocean it's not the same as trying to land a plane in the Hudson River there are huge waves in the ocean even a controlled landing is going to cause the plane to break apart So this is at this point 240 a.m., roughly local time or Malaysian time, 1840 UTC it was pitch black the moon's not out nor is the sun out there's no light whatsoever in addition to that most mainland Chinese nationals don't learn how to swim so in this scenario where the plane would have tried to land on the water and most likely would have been the doom of every single person onboard the plane

29:22 Now, would it be even been assuming that you could potentially even get emergency response there in the middle of the night in pitch black to try to help anybody out? So what happened instead is the most likely scenario then is this technology that we see is deployed to either save the plane or as you mentioned something related to these free scale semiconductor scientists. What I have kind of come to hypothesize at this point is they might be directly involved in the technology we see, which would be enough of a motive for the US government intervene. To take the risk that we see in this videos which is just recording them in general and to do this event. A lot of people would argue if they have this type of capability why aren't they using it all the time? Why aren't they making their enemies disappear

30:06 And of course, the answer to that is because every time you deploy this technology risking it getting leaked to the public. And as you see here, that's exactly what happened in our videos somebody had such an emotional reaction someone who was a patriot That they felt it was necessary to let the public know the truth about it So that's why it's very important for them from a compartmentalization perspective To only deploy this technology when it's absolutely necessary Now I like to think and good humanity and that they decided that they knew this plane was going doomed And that to deploy this technology, it was either putting out the fire or teleporting this plane to a safe location where they could manage the fire after that. It would be very hard to speculate where this plane went but we are very confident what were looking at here is actually teleportation The reason for that is initially I thought it was an annihilation event That this was being destroyed

30:56 we can see in the thermals of a cold event, which again this kind of debunks this hoax argument because if someone were to hoax this video they would have made it an explosion. Which is actually what the VFX actually came from as an explosion- a white hot event They would not have made it dark because there's no basis for that There's no basis for anyone to believe that we could have created a black hole except for the fact The science all checks out from what we see in these videos So it's not annihilation vent because E equals MC squared and that every bit of mass has a huge amount of potential energy in it. If this was being annihilated like a nuclear bomb, the explosion would have been massive! It would have destroyed part of the planet much bigger than what we see in these videos The next thing that we ruled out was cloaking That okay What if we could mask every single electromagnetic signature there is to the point where the plane is no longer there anymore? The problem with that is the smoke. The smoke stops dead ends tracks the moment this plane disappears

31:54 If there was cloaking, then the smoke exhaust any of the byproducts of the plane would have still been visible as this plane is moving forward. So you would have seen the smoke but you would've seen no plane so the only possibility No matter how impossible is that this plane got teleported a wormhole intermediate black hole Call it whatever you want a phase transition Of the plane to a waveform That is essentially how we've come to describe it from the scientific perspective in essence a reversal of the double slit experiment which is what has brought about our discovery of quantum teleportation, quantum entanglement non-locality. The idea there is the ability for faster than light travel that goes beyond what our current understanding of science is so if you can phase transition this plane back into a waveform now the plane can be anywhere it needs to be and that's what we believe we're seeing here in these videos. Mm-hmm man you clearly know this material well

32:51 And when it comes to other perspectives, obviously one of the big ones is non-human intelligence. People think this was some kind of alien involvement or something which wouldn't be unprecedented there's a lot of stories of people having miracle scenarios with the car crash or drowning and some spirit or something visits them and pulls them out and saves their life that has. A bit of a history to it in extreme cases nothing really like a plane full of people and if they were saved by non human intelligence where are they,

33:33 But I guess one of the problems I have, or the logical leaps is tougher me in the scenario you lay out is I just don't see the military caring or wanting to get involved or risking deploying such a technology to save this plane. And this technology seems so obscure It seems difficult to scramble together to go get this plane i mean i don't know anything about it im just saying, it seems that way i would think there be a very small group of people who know how to use this technology and for them to be in the place to hit the button to go send it.

34:13 I mean, that's a leap of logic to me. But go into it a little bit more about why they would do this because I don't think the military cares about life or death all that much. Plenty of events would suggest that unless there is something very important about the people on the plane. So make that case a little bit and tell us what you know about the people on the plane and just try to strengthen that part of the argument So yeah, first of all the non-human intelligence argument initially when I saw it for at least the first week before i really dug into all the evidence around the videos. I myself thought it must be non-human intelligence just too out there, too unusual, too exotic consistent with what people have reported from you know these dark triangles that are out there

34:59 And so it wasn't though until I dug more into the intent, the watching the videos and I urge everybody else especially to watch the thermal video in terms of how the thermal tracks the plane. How it zooms in on the orbs? How it zooms back out right before the event one of the key aspects is that this drone cannot catch the 777-200. It's much slower than it which indicates that they must have intercepted at some point And then essentially what that means is that they got extremely lucky in filming this event at the exact right moment and somehow knew exactly how it was going to happen or it was all planned to some degree. So one thing about non-human intelligence is that we need be careful of, is to not ascribe human motivations to non-human intelligence

35:41 non-human intelligence is not necessarily going to have the same emotions and feelings that we have, right? So a lot of people want that to be the case. They want them to be benevolent, maneuverable whatever the case may be I would argue the most likely possibility is they just don't give a crap about us Right so we should look at it from that perspective And what we're seeing here clearly shows some element with motivation and emotion from Some type of being which again would indicate that as a human interaction that were seen Now, you had one hour and 20 minutes from the point where this plane goes dark to the point where we see our videos which is plenty of time to scramble these types of assets if necessary. There was Thailand and United States training exercises that were going on in the area so the assets potentially were available and recently we've looked to see that there are drones that would have been stationed in that area as well they could have come up here and take this video

36:33 The sentient system, which is the one that AI controls the satellites is declassified. Could have easily operationalized the satellites to ensure that they're aiming at the correct angle to take the video at the right time as well and then with respect to the motive behind it whether or not this is some type of espionage motive or saving the passengers' motive It really comes down to these 20 free scale semiconductor scientists That's too many people for the same company that are very important on the same plane Most companies have a rule where you can only have three to four people that are from the same company on the same plane just for scenarios like this. So I find that very unusual, I chatted on the Not-So-Deep podcast with Chris, the host he actually worked for Freescale Semiconductors back in 2014 and he indicated that these were extremely important people

37:21 So the fact that these were extremely important people leads me to believe that there must be some intent and motive behind why they would have taken this plane. Initially, if you listen to one of my earlier video podcasts I thought this must be espionage because the motive then for this is control of the technology that we see these people were going to China it potentially would have been intellectual property that they're bringing with them to China that could move China forward in terms of being on par with the United States in this technology Now, the more I looked into it and realized this lithium ion battery fire then it casts more doubt on that type of scenario. And then it kind of brings up the other scenarios being more likely in terms of them saving the plane and what we see here from this cold dark event is zap that might somehow actually be putting out the fire related to the batteries. I can't explain it fully but it seems like that could be a possible reason why they might deploy it

38:14 Now the other thing I want to point out too is that one thing that's being deconstructed as well from these videos is people's preconceptions over the military, government in general. I don't think that they are malicious. I don't think that they are evil Yes people can do evil acts but collectively we are not evil as human beings If we were they certainly would have disappeared me long ago before I had gotten to the point where I'm at now Where we're starting to reach national attention in terms of disclosing these videos So I do want to point out that and you know, I've talked to people as well. People have come to me and talk to me in private as well about this And I think that the people that are hiding this information are doing it because they think that it's the right thing To do that there will be severe consequences to society Should this information come out? That we potentially might not be able to handle this information

39:04 So once again, I want to be cautious of this idea that people have out there that the government military is malicious and evil and wants to kill everybody etc. Like that's the movies That's not reality In reality, that's a hard decision to make To end somebody else's life And i don't think it's quite as simple as people make it out to be Where that's not really the point of the day you know we will agree to disagree on that a little bit to a degree and it all depends on who is in place at the time. You know there are good people everywhere so maybe some good people had their finger near the trigger for this deployment of technology on this particular day and all the stars aligned,

39:45 But what do we know about the leaker of this footage? Because my understanding is that the Regicide Anon channel is now gone and Regicide Anon, that name itself is somewhat provocative to me. Talk to us about who we think might've leaked it, how it got to Regicide, how the second piece of footage came out... What's the chain of custody here between these two pieces of video? So we don't believe that Regicide Anon is related to the creation of this video or dissemination of this video other than the fact that they had received it. If you look at their description on YouTube upload, you'll see that they mention source is protected They actually don't use that anywhere else in any of their videos usually just email submission and things like that This indicates that they got from somebody who was authentically getting classified information

40:37 Furthermore, the fact that it took so long for them to upload it is an indication that they themselves did not believe the footage to be real. If RedicideAnon was somehow involved in this they would have uploaded immediately after they received it right? They wouldn't have delayed it for so long there is another upload that has a description in it that claims that RedicideAnon argued for the validity of these videos to them That version of the video is actually higher quality What this indicates is that neither of them have the original source that came from a third party So this really is information that leads us to believe that there was somebody else who leaked this, potentially to a private forum. Dark web somewhere else where these YouTube accounts picked it up and then some of them potentially just didn't believe it at all. Didn't post it. Regicide Anon was the first one maybe they were in contact with the person that leaked it and that they were directly convinced by them And then what happened? They uploaded on May 19th 2020-2014 Three days later Regicide Anon made a Twitter account

41:36 On this Twitter account, their first post was check out these videos before they disappear or deleted. I may be paraphrasing there They tagged MH370 in this post This indicates that at that point they knew what they were looking at was both authentic and what they were looking at was MH370 Now in terms of the leaker, I didn't believe I would find who leaked it And now I think I almost certainly did I looked up every single person because as we've already talked about here, if you look at the intent now we realize that the person that leaked this had an emotional reaction. They were probably one of the operators and they're not a spy because they cropped out all this information. They removed the HUD information from the drone. They gave them minimum amount of information when we need to leak it. They were not trying to damage the US military although they definitely did. And if you look at this profile psychological profile of this person then

42:27 I searched for every single person that had been charged with espionage, that had been charged with willful retention of classified information dissemination of classified information or dissemination of national security information. All the popular ones that you guys have heard of etc looked at them all nobody fit the bill until i came across Lieutenant Commander Edward C Linn it turns out lieutenant commander edward c linn fit the profile essentially exactly for the person that we were looking for he had top secret government clearance and access to the Black Rudget Projects, the most classified information that is out there. So what I'd like to do is just read off a couple of things about Lieutenant Commander Edward C. Lynn which are extremely damning that convinced me he was one of The People. It was two charges that he got for disseminating secret information which could have very easily been the videos we were referring too on his charging document it was heavily redacted

43:22 including the dates that he had revealed this information, which I'm guessing if we look at that information would have indicated that they are correlate with the times of our videos. He had experience with signals intelligence SIGINT, the system that I was mentioning previously aboard the US Navy Lockheed Martin EP3 Ares II reconnaissance craft. I looked into this craft and one of the capabilities of his craft is generating real time video He had charges that he was being sentenced to potentially facing life in prison. This is one of the first major incidents of espionage by an active duty member since the end of the Cold War, so extremely rare, extremely serious charges. In addition to that there was growing doubt as to whether or not he was actually a spy despite the fact they were trying to charge him with espionage for life

44:13 They weren't able to make any significant connections with him in Taiwan or China, which is what they were trying to claim that he was giving information too. And if you look at it from the government's perspective of these videos, you could see how they might look at it and say oh this guy was trying to leak this information to China Russia anywhere else right because this information gives them advanced understanding of United States real technical capabilities His high level of clearance meant that he had access again to the Navy's black program portfolio. He was on an airborne signals exploitation squadron called the Special Projects Squadron 2, in addition to that his deployment was from February 2014 to March 2016. He was reassigned I just found out this morning on March 25th 2014 so the time frame of him being part of this squadron is right during the time of Malaysian Airlines Flight 370

45:09 In addition to that, there was a quote. While this didn't turn out to be related to foreign intelligence not really a spy case the sentence sends a strong message to the force about taking care of safeguarding classified and sensitive information and this was a former military lawyer that made that quote in addition despite there being no evidence that the NCIS investigation that Lin ever exchanged sensitive information with anyone from China So if you read about that, there's one article that mentions the curious case against Edward C. Lynn which goes to show that they were trying to cast doubt over what he was really being charged with and obfuscate the real situation even more damning his defense lawyer argued that The classified information in question is available on the internet That's a direct quote from his defense lawyer so to me that indicates idea that this footage was out there This is our footage not that he was being charged with

46:06 The government responded and said that the fact that information is available on the internet does not declassify it. In addition to that, maybe even the most damning part of him being the guy is in 2014, Lynn had accidentally left two flight manifests in his flight suit from a deployment that included search and rescue code names. I can't think of any other major search and rescue in 2014 that someone with this level of capability and access would have been a part of at that point. The only one I can think of as MH370 So in exchange for admitting to lesser charges, Lynn did not face the two instances of espionage. So what he ended up getting was a nine-year sentence with the last three years suspended so they shaved off three years as part of the pre trial agreement that pretrial agreement almost certainly indicates that he will never be able to talk about these videos again otherwise he would go back to prison

46:59 So despite the fact that he took a plea deal, they still gave him nine years. Which if you go look at other people that have given out classified information General Petraeus etc These people got like slaps on the wrist compared to this like a year less maybe so Despite that He had a huge sentence now another quote here Lieutenant Commander Eddie Lynn never spied on his country He served faithfully for the United States for over 17 years becoming highly regarded and decorated officer He accepted responsibility for the offenses he was actually guilty of and agreed to debrief further assist FBI and NCIS. This is a direct quote from him now, I get physically ill when I think about the damage I could have caused for my actions. I'm exhausted and broken in spirit The best thing I can do is serve as a cautionary tale to others What I want to tell Edward C Lin right now Is that you are not a traitor You are hero And we salute you

47:54 Wow. Impressive research, impressive details. It's just incredible I've been doing this podcast for over a decade few people come with this many details to make this strong of a case so kudos to you as well and one thing i wanted to revisit is we mentioned that the account that posted The original debunking suggesting it was from this game from 1995 That was an odd situation, right? Because that account popped up out of nowhere only posted that and then went away. Is that true? Yeah so I looked into this account and it was a one day old account it had never posted before

48:35 that needed manual approval from the subreddit in order to get the thing posted, which they approved immediately. Then it immediately became at the top and got more awards than I think almost any post has ever gotten on there, which is also extremely unusual considering the fact that the effect does not match our effect at all and then even on a single frame where they try to match it is also not a match. And all you have to say to debunk this is just ask how many pixels match? No one will even try to respond at that point goes to show that was just simply disinformation that was pushed out there to get this thing go away. And then there were a bunch of really suspicious comments about, oh thank god this has been debunked and we don't have to talk about it! They used that to immediately ban all further discussion on videos forever from that subreddit right after that

49:21 Now, not just that. You know I think this account can be directly linked to make West himself a metabunk he's the only person to date that has found this 3DO effect and he actually claimed it directly on his website which i've taken various screenshots of. I have all the receipts He's actually been accused in the past of Wikipedia for doing the same thing with sock puppet accounts It would make sense because if you think about who would be somebody who'd need to use A sock puppet account To post something like this? It would be someone who is controversial Potentially high profile Because if he posted under his own information, the people that know he's full of crap would have downvoted immediately and cast doubt on it. I also want to point out that this account that posted answered no questions in the discussion about it So this goes to show if you look at someone who is authentic like myself You'll see that I'm all over those threads answering everybody's questions about it trying to get the real information out there to people People are deceptive don't do that They just throw something out there to cast doubt and then they go and run away

50:17 So I would highly suspect that if this account is not McWest himself, it's somebody from the MetaBunk that's in his direct sphere of influence and that it was a coordinated effort by them to cast doubt on the videos. I'd say that makes sense. Yeah. It seems like they deployed the old swamp gas weather balloon case closed scenario and then walked away so in terms of post history and density of posts. I would not have even looked at your own post history until these critics were like, hey you should think about this because i don't want to do a whole show that turns out to be about nothing or is a hoax or whatever so i looked at your own post history your twitter started

51:06 In january of twenty fourteen which we're talking about an event in twenty fourteen your reddit account goes back to twenty twenty i use make a reddit people make reddit accounts all the time sometimes have multiple accounts for different reasons. But i scrolled and scrolled and scrolled and i had to go. I mean, i went back as far as i think i could it looks like on twitter you didn't even post until this year but you have eleven thousand posts i mean that's like a hundred thirty day It seems like quite a lot and i don't see any post through reddit or twitter that aren't about this i mean there's a couple i'd say ninety nine point nine percent of your reddit posts are related to this. And if i was just look at myself someone was skeptical me i'd say look in my facebook bears images going all the way back to me and high school being drunk and,

52:01 being really cringe stuff i would never want to be online but the paper trail is there facebook was a different world when it first came out versus what it is today and you know my post history all over the map. Well before i started the show so if someone thought i was a secret freemason i mean you can do a deep dive their and try to figure that out every job i've ever said i had those pictures of me at that job But in your situation, it just seems like this is your only interest and these accounts were made to talk about this work. Just a curious thing. I mean the amount of posts... It makes me think man this is obsession or profession? In some regard just to use alliteration. To address all these because I think it's probably important to break these down. This is the first time I've heard these particular suspected accusations or situations in general so

52:53 My Facebook, I do have a Facebook history that was out there for going back many years. And before this started to break and realize that I might become a public figure, I deleted everything now it seems to mostly got automatically deleted from some update that Facebook made in the last three or four years. I'm not sure exactly when they must have made some type of database conversion and I was inactive on Facebook. I gave up on Facebook around 2020 So and when this came out I made sure that my account was deleted and no longer existed anymore because I didn't want people going back through those types of pictures in general Find pictures of me in college or whatever else etc Which again? I'm 40 years old so that would have been nearly 20 years ago more than 20 years ago But those pictures would have been out there My reddit account let's address that. I did used to have a reddit account for many many years And I deleted that reddit account in 2020

53:41 and anonymized every comment that I ever had on it after I realized that I couldn't trust Reddit, and that Reddit was under this manufactured consensus in social contagion. And wiped every history of that account out there. This account that you guys are talking about the comes from 2020. I use my email account to create that in turns out somebody else already had created an account using my email account because my email address that was used is a very common name when Gmail first came out I got an account name that's one of these ones that might be considered like, you know very hard to get. And so bots clearly used it my name is additional ad with some numbers at the end of it which goes to show you that somehow someone else had created an account as never what I would have called my account name in general and then So I've simply used that account and that's reason why all the accounts are My messages are about MH370 on the reddit account because that's the only thing I've used it for With respect to my Twitter account

54:34 I did create that in 2014 and i used it initially as a video game streaming account when I was initially streaming on Twitch TV. That account has also been wiped as well due to the old age of it and you know, inactivity of it in general. And also I made sure that everything wasn't there anymore because for the same reasons I don't want my invasion of my privacy. As you can tell there are many people who are mentally unstable who are trying to dig through my whole past history and cast doubt on myself and try to reach out to people they're talking to me So this is exactly the reason why I would have got rid of that type of thing. Yeah, and again with my own post history you will find there's post history on Twitter that predates these events and i have not deleted any of that because I do want to be able establish the credibility that I am just a normal person before this that had normal opinions That some people may not agree with and some people may agree with But I wanted to make sure that stuff still out there so that people could establish that This isn't the only thing I've been interested in

55:29 As to the 11,000 posts I can't really speak to that. There's definitely not doing 150 per day So that's definitely counting replies on average I'm posting four posts per day and you can go back and you can see that again I've only deleted one post throughout the whole investigation here I do try to reply it was many people as I can first of all I appreciate the people who are honest and giving me positive feedback And I want to let them know that their efforts in support is appreciated And I think it's very important to establish that i'm a real person. That, I am not somebody who is sowing disinformation to try and answer as many questions as I possibly can from people who are honest So that my full explanation for everything you just mentioned and I hope that establishes my credibility further

56:12 Yeah i think that's reasonable cuz that is what i was looking for it just evidence that you are a regular guy because the situations happen, who was bob lazar the day before he came out with all that stuff who is david grush today before. He was on national name at least in the conspiracy subculture and i didn't spend alot of time on it i scroll back as far as twitter would let me and i didn't see anything like the oldest thing it would show me was The footage basically it wouldn't show me anything before that so you say it exists probably does maybe there's just a limit on how far back i could go i know some of the tools have changed or might have to use third party tools to, go back that far but i think what you say is reasonable and.

57:00 Before we wrap this up i mean i really appreciate all the work you've done it sucks to do all this work and then constantly be questioned about your authenticity so i don't wanna do it too much but. It does seem somewhat relevant given the history of these sorts of things that come out in nowhere in community and have these big epic claims about something, so i'm glad we could address it because like terrence mckenna says if its all real and authentic, it can take a little pressure. So yeah... And I'm not offended by anything that you mentioned there. I think that it's probably important to get that out there and explain that especially for other people who may want to interview me especially their prior profile that maybe a little bit concerned about that history so just real quick to your point about not finding it I probably haven't made any posts before this because I was not a type of person who is trying to seek attention anyway again It was normal person you will find replies though

57:52 with my opinions that are out there. I was already blocked by Mick West before this even happened because i had asked him about where he gets his money because he doesn't monetize his YouTube and he hasn't had a job for 15 years, and he lives in a very expensive place in the country. So you know, he blocked me for that without answering the questions related to it. You probably can find those replies that predate these videos entirely so I just want to point out that I'm just a real person beforehand. I had 30 fake followers mostly before this started blow up. I believe now we're pushing almost 8400 and the reason for that is not because those people trust It's because those people have looked at the weight of the evidence and they've found it so compelling that they want to be part of the real story of MH370, The Greatest Conspiracy Of All Time. Way to stick the landing! So just in closing what are your goals beyond awareness? Is there a next phase is there anything in the works that we should leave people with in terms of the future of this investigation and also give them the links they should have

58:56 Yeah, so I mean, I have stuff in the works. But at this point, especially based on what you just told me, I'm going to probably not disclose any of that information anymore going forward until it's actually out there. I didn't realize how coordinated the disinformation campaign was in regards trying to discredit me before this interview But yeah, there's a lot of stuff that's out there. I'm going to keep it pretty close to the chest at this point going forward if you do want to follow me right now The only place to really do that is at just x Ashton at Twitter I do have a reddit account that you can follow That's got hundreds of followers at this point. I didn't know you could follow people on Reddit honestly so So if you want to see my various replies to people on there, but I most likely will not be making any more posts on Reddit because I don't trust the platform in general. I have made several posts and conspiracy subreddit because the moderators there have been very generous and not censored into my content so may post one or two more things there but pretty unlikely otherwise any of this stuff media appearances and stuff that show up on there if I get pinged into those threads I will try to answer as many questions that I can

59:54 But I want to make sure that everyone's respectful. What we're trying to build here is a community that sets a new level of standard and discourse for the internet, which I believe has become extremely divided hostile vitriol And i want to reverse that trend if we can do it in terms of what comes after MH370x? I don't know honestly I wanted to go back just being a normal person. I'm starting to realize that that's probably never going to happen at this point So when we cross that bridge, we will get there. But my first and foremost objective here is to get the truth about the videos, get the government to admit that what we're looking at here is MH370 on these videos and then to disclose the technology related them to the world because this technology has a chance to change the circumstances of millions if not billions of people on this planet, people who have nothing give hope to people in unification that we can have a common goal and common purpose going forward to make society better

1:00:45 Well said and cheers to that mission. In terms of getting the government to admit to this, I know you've filed FOIA requests is there anything else you've done officially? To try to get some movement in that regard? Yeah, I reached out to my Congressman and sent them a letter actually hand delivered it to them just the other day with kind of my plea for why they should take it seriously which I will be posting on my Twitter most likely later today in addition to the body of work that I posted yesterday as well attached as an addendum so they could see all that and all the links related to it. I'm requesting a public hearing with Congress because i think that is the way we can move forward, and I don't know if I'll necessarily be able to convince everyone in congress but I don't know whether or not we will be able to convince everybody around the world A lot people will never accept these videos to be true no matter what weight of evidence But thats not necessarily who im trying to reach The people who I want to reach are those with open minds

1:01:41 The people in Congress, what I would say to them is even if they don't believe that UAPs can be real, the reverse engineering technology can be real. Let's look into the black budget projects related to this. There is going to be a money trail related to this situation and we will be able to expose that so if you bring me in front of Congress, I promise you I will be able to show the evidence and it will be compelling. Well look to Catherine Austin Fitz for that money trail she's done some amazing work on black budgets and how they funnel money into them but Man, thank you for your time and the research you've done. It's very clear that you're dedicated and disciplined on this as a person would need to be taken seriously. And I appreciate you letting me be just a small footnote in the larger story of getting this out to people take care and best of luck with the rest of it! Thank You Greg thank you for giving me a platform and a platform for this evidence to disseminate even more people so i appreciate you too.

1:02:42 Ain't no party like a higher side party, because the higher side party don't stop. Big thanks to Ashton! His polish and his recall of all the facts is really impressive Like I said in the beginning if the video isn't genuine then we just wasted our time But i think i did two interviews about the Jade Helm hysteria A few years back And so it's really just a thing that happens every once in awhile I take my shots and they don't always make it okay? And my biggest problem with this footage in particular is just how good it is. It's very crisp and epic, and its basically in the we never get shit this good category Some of you guys gave me a hard time for sharing that recent Bigfoot clip from the train because that turned out to be a fake

1:03:35 I just thought it was fun and i saw it before, I realized how much it had already been shared or how much It would be shared. I thought it was a little more obscure or I just wouldn't have done it but I also Thought that was probably fake for the same reason Just too good and because the fur Was way to glossy And clean which made it look like A Halloween costume But I thought it was worth sharing anyway, fuck it. Nobody knew 100% at the time now I think there's an official story and its been proven but you heard Ashton right away as soon as we explained what the situation was I asked about the authenticity And I thought he gave a really great response

1:04:20 He has studied what kinds of devices can even take these images. He says he's identified the specific sources or the community has, and we have two different angles on this same event If you haven't seen it I'm sharing a link in the show notes You should definitely give it a watch Like many of you guys would say my first impression was well This is just bullshit! I almost didn't even look into it deeper But then I found out the subreddit was banned and i was like well that's weird this seems like a pretty innocent conversation. And then I read some of Ashton's posts about extra context and other elements of even the official story that make The Plains disappearance seem even stranger, and I started to get more interested and then I thought you know maybe we should cover this...and here we are

1:05:16 And I would say as a person putting themselves out there doing their best to authenticate this footage as well as they can and then articulate it in conversation, I give him an A+. But when it comes to the narrative that he considers most likely based on trying to fill-in all the holes surrounding the footage...I'm less enthusiastic. What do I know really? He's done hours of research for months But I'm not sure I see the logic in a rescue mission scenario. I'm not even sure a lithium-ion battery fire explains all the weird occurrences, like why the transponder would be off and why the pilot wouldn't make communication... That aspect alone i'm just not so sure about! And then from there to say this exotic secret technology was scrambled together and used to rescue this plane

1:06:14 And then to keep all the passengers hostage, essentially because it's not allowed to be known that they survived. I don't know! The only way i see that being a reality is if this was done by a group like the Caroline Group we talked about with Paul Shatzkin or The Invisible College or someone in the Secret Space Program You know? If secret brotherhoods with exotic technology exist and if they have sort of regular lives and then these secret lives like T-Townsend Brown had for a time, it could be as simple as one of their relatives was on the plane and they weren't going to let it go down when they knew what was possible. But that's something above a military level—that's breakaway civilization stuff! And I guess it's possible? For me if the footage is real then I probably just take it at face value that it looks like an abduction from nonhuman intelligence

1:07:16 Usually they bring people back after taking them, but maybe not always. It could have been a Philadelphia Experiment 2.0 kind of thing... ...but I don't think they would have used a public commercial flight for that unless it was designed to be some kind of showing of power To other nations playing the game at that level. I can see that I guess there are a lot of possibilities, but i was impressed enough with the footage to check out the community and then i was impressed enough with Ashton's posts that i reached out to get an interview with him on The Books. I had not heard any interviews with Ashton when i initially asked him but in the meantime he has been doing a bit of a podcasting blitz

1:08:03 If I had already seen a dozen interviews were already being done, I probably would have let this go and not pursued it on my own. I wanted to do it because it was different and obscure not so I could be the 10th interview with Ashton but its all good the footage should be talked about. Id like to see the corridor crew guys take a stab at explaining it if you know who Im talking about send it in So that has been the offering on the THC table today. In the plus show, we talked about a bunch of different angles and surrounding context. We talked about why Ashton thinks the plane went to Diego Garcia, a modern day Area 51 type of site. We talked about the doppelgangers situation. We talked about the science that supports The Orb's movements, disinformation in the UFO UAP community

1:08:57 And we got into some uncomfortable questions about his own credibility and what his critics said to me. I personally am undecided on if it's a red flag that any history on his accounts prior to this particular investigation has been deleted? He says he used to Twitch stream, and his Twitter handle goes back to those days but the posts don't. The posts start with MH370 I understand why a person would delete old stuff. I understand why old stuff just would fall by the wayside, I suppose? But it's just so neat and tidy that as far as I can tell his online presence starts with this investigation It's a little unfortunate As i said in the plus show when people doubt my authenticity... ...I just send them to Facebook because my entire history back to college is documented

1:09:58 In Facebook's early days, I put up pictures of drinking and debauchery that I would never put up today. But I haven't ever taken the time to delete them—I consider them largely just buried. I don't think I want pictures of me kissing girls that aren't my wife online as my kids get older but as it stands its a pretty open and honest chronicle of my life. I've got pictures from every job I had along the way And even this show didn't just pop on the scene, polished as it could be. It was pretty clearly a desperate man fumbling around trying to find a path to an enjoyable job and useful life. It's sloppy! It's at times cringe but that is the sort of stuff you should expect to see right? So that is something that stands out for me but the footage is the footage let us not get distracted or shoot The Messenger ya know

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1:11:35 The artists I've worked with have made some really amazing stuff in there. I also have started putting up video clips from these episodes across all the various social media places that THC has a presence, and i thank Soundwave for being the guy to pick those clips and put them together for me This would be a great time to utilize that. Hop on my Twitter, Instagram or YouTube channel and the first clip for this episode is going to include that footage for sure so you can see us talking to each other while the footage plays and this is why I started doing clips for situations like this

1:12:17 I know he is working on the David Avocado Wolf clips, but I told him to put that down and just get this clip out because the visual reference is so important here. But also free and plus listeners can go to TheHigherSideChats.com to check out the 10-plus year archive. There's a lot of timeless epic interviews I'm still really proud of that shouldn't be forgotten I've invested a lot of money into the site to make it convenient for podcast listening and the mobile version is even better. I had a Netflix style display made for different categories in a category based search so you don't need to know that title or the guest if you just want a big list of shows i've done that are about this,that or the other when you login with your plus account the shows magically switch to the two-hour versions

1:13:13 which is quite nice and you can also download everything free or plus yours to keep. I'm going to get a little bit better about general communication about that sort of stuff, i got kids now i gotta do the best i can but my pitch has not always been as good as it could be and before i really wrap it up how about that intro music huh? i paid a guy to make one in the style of alkaline trio and i think he did a really good job And as for the Meetup calendar, highersidemeetups.com Go there to find events and talk THC with other locals and expand your network Here are the next few events that listeners have put on the calendar

1:13:55 November 2nd, Flame International Restaurant in LA. November 3rd High Springs Brewing Company in High Springs Florida Also November third the Moonberry Mercantile and Trading event in Tarpon Springs Florida. November 4th the HOB Brewing Company and Dunedin Florida. November 11 another event in LA as well as one in Superior Wisconsin And a PlayStation Party Chat Very cool. Join one of those if they're close or make your own event You can also come see me at Jim Gales event at Galt's landing in st Cloud, Florida on 1111 a lot of big names gonna be there should be a fun time He asked me to speak and I said Jim more of a Goofing off in the back of the classroom kind of guy The only audiences I like to address are digital ones

1:14:57 But it was nice to be asked. That's it for me, thanks for listening! Thank Ashton if you appreciate his contribution to the mystery I've done my part Your move secret technology sequesters MH370 rescuers and alien technology reverse engineers your fucking move Woke up this morning with light in my eyes And then realized It was dark outside. It was light coming down from the sky. Must be those strangers that come every night, whose saucers shaped light put people uptight. Leave blue-green footprints that glow in the dark

1:16:08 I hope they get home Mr. Spaceman, won't you please take me along? Do anything wrong Hey! Mr. Space Won't you please take me along to the high side Woke up this morning was feeling quite weird I had flies in my beard

1:16:55 My toothpaste was smeared I opened my window They'd written my name Said, so long We'll see you again Hey Mr. Spaceman Won't you please take me along? Don't do anything wrong Hey Spaceman

1:17:35 Won't you please take me along the higher side Mr. Spaceman, won't you please take me along I won't do anything wrong Hey! Mr. Spaceman, won't you please take me along the higher side? Won't you please take me along

1:18:18 The high side