Alison McDowell | Human Capital Markets, Predatory Philanthropy, & The Gamified World

01:27 These are the higher side chats. Well, it's another day in paradise dear people from sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood and while the world remains focused on listening for the next lockdown decree looking for the latest monolith and begging Santa for a shiny new vaccine under the Christmas tree this year The planet's puppet masters are building a new technological layer to reality that makes your favorite sci-fi dystopia look like Candyland Of course, we can examine history and find many examples of the Predator class speaking about us as a plight on their planet. A human herd of cattle requiring their management conveniently caught up in their hamster wheels and rat races that nobody seems to be too thrilled about but we still see them getting standing ovations when they walk into a room because they call their control scheme implementation efforts philanthropy

02:17 They get away with things to the degree that they can, and just because slavery in the most obvious of terms is no longer in our faces it doesn't mean that its not still a part of the product pipeline for our shiny new gadgets or that economic slavery isn't alive and well pretty much everywhere. They've never stopped looking at humanity as an expendable mob of undesirables, they just learn to be more subtle about it. And now that we're in an age where they have the technology to fulfill their true vision... ...we better wise up fast! And just watching The Social Dilemma isn't gonna do it That film shows a very limited view of one aspect of where we were a decade ago, but today's guest Allison McDowell shows us where we're going. She is the brilliant mind behind wrenchinthegears.com where she writes about and presents a holistic look at the plans for The Predator class forming a clearer and more complete picture than anyone I've seen before, and I really look forward to getting into it

03:12 The talented technocratic dystopia dissector, great reset resistor and true wrench in the gears. Alison, welcome to The Higher Side! Oh thank you very much that's a wonderful and very generous introduction i try but man this is a true pleasure the same day i watched your great q and a with my buddy gordon white from room soup of friend of yours stephanie put us in contact and i'm very thankful for that. Because interview a lot of people who might have a good handle on one piece of this thing or what use the term technocracy, order say something like the vaccine doesn't seem like it's the true end goal here but

03:51 it gets a bit fuzzy after that. So I know every interview pretty much starts the same way, but so many people have different entry points that take them tumbling down the big rabbit hole and yours is not only unique, but it also might help to hear if we're trying to share this with our friends and family who don't see things how we see them. I guess talk to us about how your local engagement in the Philadelphia education system kicked off your study of something much bigger? Okay so I'm a mom, an independent researcher and i work half time at public botanic garden. And so all of these things...and I do this in the city of Philadelphia which is very poor city and it's black city and run under democratic establishment including our former mayor Michael Nutter sort of central figure working with Michael Bloomberg on lot of this

04:43 So i'm sort of living in an incubator for this new technocratic program also home to the university of pennsylvania and the warren business school so those are other key pieces and what i didn't know. You know maybe seven years ago when i first started i was just a mom that would help, out in the school doing volunteering and sorts of things. But in 2013, Boston Consulting Group came into our school district which has been used as a test bed for all sorts of privatization efforts for many years and they closed 23 schools and laid off 3000 teachers And then shortly thereafter they decided to implement a new rating system for schools that would essentially grandfather charter schools and not look at the same criteria. And then, essentially grade these schools that had been totally destabilized the remaining schools under this report card system and I just knew that wasn't right

05:33 So I ended up showing up, they schedule these meetings in the dog days of summer when parents are away or trying to scramble for childcare. So you know if there's scheduling meetings in these later parts of the summer that they don't actually want anyone to show up And when I showed up, that was sort of my entry point to understanding following the money and looking at who's behind these policies because they weren't originating from within our school district. They were very much coming from the outside, these special interests and this particular project was funded by the Michael & Susan Dell Foundation both to implement these report cards for schools and start to have a universal enrollment program. So at the time I thought

06:12 They were weaponizing the standardized test scores to close the schools and I thought, well, I will get involved in trying to encourage people to opt out of the tests. And actually made a lot of contacts around the country in that including a number of wonderful people in San Diego—I didn't realize that's where you're based—in San Diego and Philadelphia have very close connections in this ed reform journey And so we fought that for several years until I realized that eventually the school district was cooperating with our opt-out requests, which was very inconsistent because they've never done anything to support families even if it was. They were legally mandated to do that and what I realized later was that it was a transition to educational technology and that they would end up removing the end of year high stakes tests because ultimately those are not going to work for these bond markets that we're talking about

06:57 And they would implement all the time assessment through educational devices which would not only generate profits for a company like dell that sells computers and software but also generates mass signals intelligence on, The social nature of the country's population and feed into predictive analytics which is very much also what does through their association with nsa so it wasn't really just about selling computers that was also about creating data markets and then managing those markets both. from a point of view, I believe of military signals intelligence and also workforce labor force management in an era moving forward that is much more about reducing the role of human labor in all capacities as the fourth industrial revolution rolls out. So that was sort of my thing and I took it to a certain point but eventually I was not making much progress into education sphere you know educators are really overwhelmed

07:54 I wasn't making much progress so the other thing is our city again it's a very poor city and these markets that i'm going to talk about paper success finance and social impact bonds are essentially fueled by poverty and trauma. So ended up moving over to work with the poor people's economic human rights campaign and they don't take outside money and they were doing mutual aid work around issues of poverty and housing access and also substance use because we're the center of heroin epidemic, So you know i did that for a while and then the pandemic happened and then i realized that many of the things i thought had maybe ten year lead time to try to explain people what was happening got put on fast forward and no idea whatsoever that global public health event would be the trigger, can put all this in place into put on fast-forward but thats whats happened.

08:44 Yes i've definitely heard you refer to cove it as a sort of trigger event for this research you are already on and it is very unique skill to be able to follow these things from local implementation. Of international corporate think tanks just all the way to the top, I don't know why some people just have cognitive dissonance and don't realize how these things are implemented on a very basic level. I've said to people this year, isn't it curious that Bill Gates has been investing in two major things over the last decade? Global health and vaccine programs and digital software based schooling. And when you think about it there was no justification for this need for software-based learning pre COVID

09:27 That should send up some red flags to people, but the Bill Gates piece is obviously pretty small. Beyond that can you talk to us about some of this greater synergy that we see taking place because of COVID? What are the other plans that really seem to be coming together in similar ways like this pay for success finance and some of these things they were talking about before? Okay, so I'd like to take a minute just to sort of lay out what pay for success finance is because that's a very integral part Of understanding how data analytics fits into everything and I would just say too that Bill Gates is certainly a problematic individual. I think he provides cover for many other individuals who are equally dangerous or potentially more dangerous and That we should just be aware when we talk about this set

10:17 He's sort of the front for many people that he is sort of sheltering from the spotlight So it's important to understand his power But it's also important to understand that there are other players working sort of behind that and this is linked to the pay-for-success finance, so I would encourage if people haven't watched lately or haven't seen the movie The Big Short which was essentially Outlining how the last global economic crash happened around the housing market. The film very much talks about The bundled mortgages these debt securities where they take something that is physically real and tangible like a person's home right becomes more and more abstracted as you have a mortgage as it sold as its resold as its bundle with other mortgages and then sold in these futures markets and hedging market.

11:06 That happened and we have been living through ten years of destabilization so many people never really recovered from the last crash they lost homes, never retain stable employment you seen that the rise of the gig economy. People like blackstone entities they scooped in and picked up most of that housing on the cheap. And now they're the largest private rental homeowner in the country, that's very significant so that set the stage for what is becoming essentially the next iteration and if you imagine That had to happen with the mortgages because the wealth was so concentrated and within capital It has to continue to flow If it doesn't flow the entire system will fall apart. It has to both flow and expand

11:47 As you have increasing wealth disparity the poor don't have the buying power to prop up these markets that are really based in debt. They can't do it there and that they don't have the buying power their wages are stagnating and they have these gig economy jobs that are highly unstable so how would you leverage that situation to make more profit for those who already have the most wealth. Any answer is is that you will use this techniques of structure debt finance that were created around a mortgage debt security scenario and then you apply that two human capital,

12:22 So they will invest in people and that happens in privatized public services and they will essentially set up people on improvement plans. that will then allow this public benefit access to do the improving of people and that improvement could take the form of education, training, healthcare mental health care substance treatment housing food assistance support for the elderly all these benefits would not be paid initially out of the public coffers which have been drained dry but will be framed as investments for the private sector through public-private partnerships.

12:59 And then once that public benefit access is privatized, the debt can be securitized and traded on global markets. And so these arrangements with the public private partnerships they happen through something called outcomes based government contracting that started in the mid 1990s there's a gentleman Arthur Rolnick who was a head economist at the Minneapolis Federal Reserve and he and this gentleman Stephen Rothschild developed the early prototype for the outcome-based contract but now as The technology has become more and more sophisticated they're able to scale these contracts in ways. That will be linked to what the world economic forum cause the internet of bodies and smart city environments so increasingly were operating as, no entities within ubiquitous sensing environment that's with a fourth industrial revolution is about is about imposing a coded overlay to the world that will track you almost as

13:55 Playable character in it augmented reality video game like an open air global prison run from space by the satellite system and so as you put on your pathway because you have been. Dispossessed out of your job by the lockdowns you will meet up with someone who will put you on improvement pathway that will require accomplishing these items and then we'll track your ability, Your compliance to the pathway through sensor devices some of which may ultimately be implantable right at this point is just your phone and that's what the obama phones were for you handing out to low income people to access their benefits. It will start out probably on a phone with qr codes but then ultimately i think it will shift towards wearable technology and possibly internal biosensors

14:39 But you will be put on a pathway and then the hedge funds will securitize the debt related to servicing you on that pathway. And then they will trade that debt on global markets, and it's crazy it sounds insane that is the plan but Essentially the past decade leading up or more he let packer the way my floor he let foundation has been reshaping all of the non profits in the west and even through development aid around the world to become data driven, they call it what works data-driven evidence based and so all that is shifted to being about the data and not corresponds with what happened in the education sector why. The shift to the technology the shift to this standardized curriculum its all about

15:21 feeding and setting up standardized markets of achievement for these pathway programs. It's also related to the rise of the electronic health records that came with the Affordable Care Act, so that's the healthcare component and then it's also tied in with in the housing sector In philadelphia we've seen our housing authority has shifted away from not managing their own housing actually allowing their housing stock to run down and then flipping it developers and then using voucher based systems to have people access housing in the private market but that is all conditional. So there are prototypes that have been set up over the past about eight years or so. It started out with this concept called the social impact bond that really developed widely in United Kingdom by a gentleman by his name is Sir Ronald Cohen and he's a Harvard MBA, and he developed social impact bonds around prison anti-recidivism programs keeping people out of prison

16:18 But now it's expanded to a number of different things including social care homelessness and social prescribing. Michael bloomberg brought that concept over to the US the first one was at rikers island present and i was back by goldman sachs but they have other deals around providing pre-k for children and its always predicated on a cost offset It's all a fiction you have to understand that it is actually real is just the game as the most elite powerful people in the world decided to play at and so it's just how they make it look on paper through data but there was a cost offset that will justify their profit taking.

16:55 So for example, the first social impact bond for pre-k was in Salt Lake City. And they set up a deal that cost offset with special education. They said if they provided pre-K for an identified group of children who might be at risk of needing special education, they would rescreen them at kindergarten and then if they didn't need it, the government would have quote unquote saved that expense and could therefore shave off part of the money they didn't spend and give it to Goldman Sachs and other investors And so what happened was that they screens about a hundred kids into this program but ultimately when the time came for them to go to kindergarten only one out of the hundred actually qualified which is totally.

17:37 Not consistent with what you would expect to happen. It would not be that small a number, even if you had the most incredible pre-K imaginable those numbers would never have worked out but Goldman Sachs took that as profit and then the plan is through the Kauffman Foundation and Ready Nation is to securitize that so that's one but then recently Jack Murphy who's the governor of New Jersey all of the people who will be reskilled having lost their jobs under the lockdown They're pushing them into big pharma and coding and smart energy so they have a program set up in jack murphy is twenty seven years goldman sachs his career in goldman sachs.

18:13 They will create income sharing agreements for people to be re skilled as adults into these new job sectors that will fulfill the creation of a global police state or in a cyborg state through synthetic biology and the pharmaceuticals. And so, people will have to agree to have an income sharing agreement not just for their training but their wraparound services associated with that. And then that means when they get a job that meets the criteria of the contract they have to have their wages garnished for certain amount time Will the debt tied to these income sharing agreements has been set up as a giant global equity market and that was done in twenty eighteen at the arizona state university global silicon valley gathering action often meet me in san diego it's michael crow of inquire tell an arizona state, and i said we're gonna create this giant equity markets will hear you go so now jack murphy is dead were creating with their cold career impact bonds and they're going to be still all these people into the jobs that they want them to have.

19:09 To build the world that they foresee this military digital world That's coming but the debt securitization is going to happen on all of those income sharing agreements So they have prototypes that have been happening in coordination with Harvard Kennedy schools their government performance lab third sector capital partners and a nonprofit finance fund George over Holzer who came out of Capital One credit cards was behind all of that and There's a group of pilots in the Santa Clara County, California that's for pre-K early literacy mental health and homelessness. And within the construct of these pay for success deals there is always a third party evaluator to make them appear legitimate. In the case of the homelessness and the mental health social impact bond in Santa Clara County, the individuals reviewing the deals are Palantir so that's Peter Thiel company that deals with homeland security and predictive policing

20:02 So there's incredibly huge ethical problems with the way that these deals are structured. And then even if you were to set some of those aside and say, well it's a way to as they would say unlock capital and do well by doing good that sort of thing is that if its profitable we are essentially creating global markets in poverty management which if it is profitable for the individuals participating they have no incentive to do anything but grow that market They will only grow more poverty if you create global markets and poverty management which is. You will create the harm that would then allows you to quote unquote fix it and make money off of it it's very insidious yes it is and your right problem reaction solution,

20:46 Wow it's pretty clear you have a great handle on very complex new things and phraseology like income sharing agreement social impact bonds or improvement pathways, they're obviously meant to sound altruistic order minimum kind of vague and unthreatening. But it's the same with most things. The economy or the stock market more so is a great example, it's these terms that just make your eyes glaze over I would say by design not so boring when you see the profits they're making though and with these social outreach slogans It can be a little tough to truly understand what these things would mean for the everyday lives of people And this is really where the rubber meets the road When it comes to the importance of your work

21:29 i hope listeners take the time to sit with these things that you're saying or at least way your words against the world they see coming up around them because a lot of these pilot programs are being rolled out in test markets both and and out of united states right now if u have come up already. But now that your really schooling us on some other things to watch for where are some of the other places to look where we are starting to see them already, Okay so one of the major markets that focus it's going to be workforce reskilling now we know it's tied to the lockdown job losses. So I did not know that a couple years ago when I started but that would be a giant factor back in twenty eighteen ready nation had a gathering a global gathering in new york city where they rang the nasdaq bell and sort of put up in billboards on times square you know all the giants

22:18 LED lights that they were going into pre k finance and workforce development. Newsome is very much a part of all this through the pritzker family in particular california, So these markets were one of them is in pre-k as I mentioned before the Salt Lake City bond. The other key concept that it's important to understand is something called blockchain identity or a decentralized identity system and that is what is coming with the ID 2020 initiative and the biometric health passports because what I was saying about the cost offsets, is essentially to play this game they've created into justify essentially

22:58 Using predictive analytics to profile people into if not pre crime breed burden free social burden to enable the profits for jp morgan chase and goldman sachs in city group and ubs bank among others in the vatican but in order to make that happen all of the data has to live in a big. cool because if it is siloed, you cannot pretend that because you gave a child quality pre-K they didn't end up becoming addicted or because you provided someone housing that they didn't get diabetes. So all of the data has to live in one place and that is what the digital identity is set up to do and that's going to happen through blockchain. And blockchain most people are aware of as sort of underlying structure technological structure for cryptocurrency

23:43 Digital money but is far more than that it is a decentralized ledger system and again no one knows where it came from we can't you know it just showed up on the scene and i think many people are imagining this as a liberation technology. I don't believe that it because its much more than holding value it's actually holding every bit of information from your birth certificate to your property records to your health records, These big bits of information but even down to tiny bits of information will be layered in nowhere your easy pass was where you paid in a smart parking meter, were you signed into the qr code at the grocery store restaurant what you bought food wise all that is going to be layered and it's gonna be sold us as privacy that they'll say well you can keep private. Add isn't that great because facebook won't be making money off of you anymore you have control of your own data

24:36 But the reality is that my team has developed something called ocean protocol to query on that data anyway so it won't stop at tech or telemedicine or teletherapy just double down if anything so block chain is a vital piece and the first case study for blockchain identity there were two in africa. Surprise surprise because this is very racialized program i mean its coming after everyone but origins are in the colonial project, So in Tanzania, they had the first blockchain baby born two years ago where they assigned a pregnant woman and her unborn child blockchain identities individually and then tracked their compliance for their prenatal care on blockchain. So that has happened and that's happening through humanitarian aid and Mastercard is kind of tied in with that and the Better Than Cash Alliance that Gates is involved with

25:29 The other piece is there's a case study in South Africa for the pre-K and in that they assigned. the pre-k child, the pre-K teachers. The franchise preschool that was set up as a business opportunity for low income black women in Cape Town to set up these preschools and then they can't complain when these new technologies come in and they would track their attendance because the preschool providers would be paid by the government based on attendance And so what they did was they replaced regular attendance records with an app And they framed it that they were allowing the child to build social capital by attending preschool through the app. So, they're already predictively profiling these children at like two and three years old through the pre-K programs. Well I'm in Philadelphia and in an event last year a gathering where they were trying to sort of gather up all of the nonprofit press and media to get them on board to sell this program. There was a woman that I met there

26:29 Who i felt would be receptive to hearing what i had to say and it turns out she worked for the community development for the city and she had been briefed on amply. Prior so people in my city know about this program in cape town with black training preschoolers, end. The thing that's rather insidious is that the person who created all of these rules are set in partnership with esteemed universities so the individual who setting the return on investment parameters for the pre k program is jim hackman he's a nobel prize winning economist out at the university of chicago and his funded through open society.

27:05 Which is kind of makes you scratch your head, but that's what it is. So Jim Heckman had created this equation with funding from J.B. Pritzker the current governor of Illinois who's working closely with Gavin Newsom on all of this and they said in a presentation in California actually with Pritzker they were not going to be able to change cognitive data on students that really what they needed to be able to change was their character And so ultimately what is going to happen is that they will create data metrics essentially for digital brainwashing kids, for these global financial markets and they will do it through virtual reality and gamification which has been a huge push in education. Do much of my child's education sing it come into the schools its behavior management because this future they wanna know who's gonna resist and who won't if they can change your behavior and make money off of it that's the plan

27:57 Another example is in tulsa this is running to the head start programs a program called educare which is franchise in a number of states and they have what's called a hatch. The hatch education company is created a we play smart table. Which is essentially a digital play table that looks like a flat screen tv but parallel to the floor with two fish islands cameras, watch the children while they play at this table with digital puzzle pieces and things in their supposed to play together so they can see how they interact socially and then the children are scored on their behaviors And I went down to Tulsa because i have a friend who is actively trying to speak out about what's happening because Tulsa is essentially managed by George Kaiser of the Kaiser family foundation and the Schustermans and Bloomberg.

28:42 And they are remaking Tulsa in this sort of new fourth industrial cyber security version of itself and it's the hundredth anniversary of the race massacre there. We interrupted, Stripe together is the entity that is advancing these cradle to career human capital pathways and they happen have an event when I went down in January so we disrupted the event kindly but we said you know there's more to this story than their telling you We don't want our children to be bonded commodities and we confronted one of the women who ran the program about the surveillance play tables and she confirmed that they were in place until already. Wow there pilots are not universally used but when you hear gabby newsome speak up advancing universal pre k someone needs to ask if that's gonna involve putting children on blockchain and put them on surveillance play tables to track their behavior yes i would love to see his face at that question was actually asked

29:36 Of course if you look at the history of the american education system it's always been about behavior management and obedience training but this is a whole new level jump because even though our system was pretty bad we also had inspiring teachers that we loved despite the overall structure, and now that goes away the human element has been stripped out teachers are just software administrators. And i worry about the kids that this is gonna produce and you mentioned colonial thinking and that's a really good point i want to read a couple paragraphs from blog you wrote in january of twenty nineteen called to serve man playing off that classic twilight zone episode but use or to speak to this when u right.

30:22 In spite of the strategic branding, we must recognize that social impact investing isn't a charitable endeavor. The intent isn't to serve man at least not the poor man what is being sold as the solution to economic inequality is a cookbook A technologically mediated poverty management cookbook put together by oligarchs to disempower the poor and turn their lives into data for the purpose of legalized gambling No investment market is designed to eliminate the source of its profit. Logic dictates data-driven, market based social solutions can never put an end to poverty. Rather investors will manage services in ways that maximize returns while reducing the likelihood that those trapped within the system will become sufficiently organized to overthrow it

31:13 Man that is very well said but people still cheer on capitalism without realizing what the game has been about for over a century. I guess i just wanted to drive that point home for people who maybe forgot the history or think something has changed and they're looking out for us now, But this is old thinking mixed with new technology and when you line it up with the predator classes actions of the past, it's very consistent. It might be important history for people to review well i agree very much i'm just a regular person who fell into this but i feel like im in a place to see things and

31:53 share in a way that I think will give people another lens to look at it. And actually tomorrow, there's going to be the first protest gathering of the lockdowns here in Philadelphia and I was initially approached to speak and I'm a bit leery because some of the wording around the patriot framing is not in line with what I feel like the remedy needs to be to this And so initially I had said yes, but as this event further developed it became clear they were branding it as this red white and blue founding fathers sort of freedom ring element. It was going to be at Independence Hall

32:29 And I said, you know, I can't in good conscience participate in this. I'm all for opposing this global economic restructuring but the site at which they were planning to speak, I know that location and it is within about 50 feet of the home of the first president of the US which was in Philadelphia at the time George Washington's home and he kept nine people in slavery in that house and at the time Philadelphia the Black population was free. If you remained in Philadelphia for a certain amount of time, you were entitled to petition for your freedom and so the president would circulate his Black staff in and out of Mount Vernon to preclude them from attaining their freedom."

33:10 And so I said, you know, I feel very much that this is actually a spiritual battle like that we are in. I mean that this is a struggle of spirit and I said you can't step off with this cognitive dissonance of speaking up your freedom without acknowledging what the history is and I'm not saying this because I think to a certain extent there are The push for around identity politics without moving towards right relationships, fragments and further fragments people and makes it more difficult to actually organize against what's happening. But that history cannot be discounted and it really is our responsibility at this point to give a really hard look not only at enslavement and unfree labor but Philadelphia is also the site of the walking purchase where we ripped off... We took advantage of the good nature of the Lenape people The Penn family went overreached in terms of the agreement

34:02 took land that was by all rights unfairly taken. And so this sets this precedent both on the freedom side of things and on the generosity of indigenous people, that we have not held up our part of the bargain and now it's biting all of us because most of us have never reconciled with that And if you look at what we had done to the indigenous people in terms of removal from land, making it impossible for them to continue their cultural way of life, erasing their culture, breaking up families and making them dependent on the state. And then reneging on obligations to provide food and shelter that was promised. All of these things are things that are coming after all of us

34:44 I was listening to find a lori's but custard died for your sins and it's exactly the same lineup and it was done very strategically with very clear intentions. Against populations and now that the global political economic model has met that human labor is largely redundant in this world they are imagining hasn't yet been fully implemented, what the world their managing human beings are largely redundant They're gonna figure out a way in which to either get rid of us or manage justin away that continues to get as much money out of us is they can until they throw us away and so we need to reconcile with that history and hopefully.

35:19 work towards a right relationship model of healing these wounds, and taking responsibility and making it right. And unless we do that I feel like these pushback movements if they're not understood as colonial projects even at this point with the mRNA vaccinations down to your cellular level like it is cellular colonization If we don't come from the right place, we're gonna have a really hard time actually achieving an outcome of justice. Of real justice for all of us. Yes yes and you just strike such a unique chord because the dichotomy is the billionaire predator class verse the rest of us that should be the primary dividing line We focus on but they spend people off in all these other directions And I've heard you say at times You feel like a recovering liberal and that resonates with me A lot

36:08 But going back to that history a bit, there are a few situations not that far back that show us other level jumps in the management system. And they have a lot of similarities to this one we're going through now A big one I learned about from you would be the globalization efforts in the 80s and 90s where they replaced the work they could with cheap overseas labor which meant a lot of American labor wasn't needed and that is why at the same time we got The War on Drugs and The Prison Industrial Complex It was all to put these people in a managed situation, like they're very connected and now we're getting automation and robots. And a much larger number of people will be replaced! So they are making the whole world a prison as you say. It's just a clear example and very helpful for people who find some of this confusing or don't connect the two Can you elaborate on what we saw in this chapter of history? How it parallels with what is being implemented as we speak

37:04 Yeah, you're exactly right. So that was sort of about managing excess labor under the first phase of globalization so by targeting black and brown people through criminalizing poverty and the drug wars and putting people into prison then global finance create markets that would you know profit from managing people within both for-profit prisons but also services that were provided into prisons including many of which are like nonprofit servicing people coming out of prisons like this whole structure was embedded and even if you look into like prison health care huge huge industries until you start actually looking at it if you don't have occasion to really examine. The profit systems are set up around in within prisons its enormous,

37:48 What i'm encouraging people to reconsider is that in china right now they are actually tracking people on parole on blockchain. Right so their tracking their compliance post release smart environments with a black chain identity, no i will say that i was actually arrested last may at a protest event relating to our housing authority. And charges were dropped ultimately, but I ended up spending the night in jail was pretty... But I learned a lot and what I learned was afterwards they kept saying well we'll just put you in a diversion program and you'll just let it go and then you'll wipe off your record. And I was like what is this diversion program? Right? And ultimately what I realized is that the goal of the defund the police

38:36 Remove people out of prison, which is well intentioned. You know I myself was subjected to police violence So I totally understand all of that But if you don't know the mindset there are several papers one came out a pen and when came out of Vanderbilt saying The model will only change If the profit motive is there so the guards need to become social workers And we need to shift the concept of it And so when i was going through the process of that they were aiming to put me through this diversion program that would be one of these improvement pathways ultimately. Okay hold up for a moment in the education space, the entity that most wanted to get rid of schools as physical buildings and create the city as classroom but this isn't like a fun city is class room this is like your classroom is at panopticon police state right and you do pokemon skill collection in your city

39:29 The people who wanted to set up that model which we seem fearfully close to getting two is the macarthur foundation what is based in chicago and not money as early insurance money was one of like the biggest insurance providers in the forties, the mccarthy foundation wanted to create learning ecosystems of which actually san diego and philadelphia are both. Key pilot programs and badges you're in these badges, and I thought well the MacArthur Foundation is all over prison reform too So how does that correspond? How does the learning ecosystem model correspond if we know that they don't want to have actually the responsibility of functionally maintain infrastructure for education if they're doing prison reform And the idea is that you will never in this next phase of dispossession of the fourth industrial revolution

40:14 It will be very challenging to build the number of prisons to hold the excess labor. It will be very difficult and they don't actually want to heat those buildings or really even pay the guards, they really want to have lean labor and automate as much as possible So ultimately if what you can do is and i wrote this in january before covid hit but it's too through five g and satellite systems create the world as an open air essentially prison. With real time geofencing tied to this internet of bodies you can manage people under state control,

40:49 say that it is not incarceration. You can use incarceration as the cost offset, that enormous number that has been built up for the past 20 years as the cost offset for pay-for-success by keeping people quote unquote out of prison and yet on pathways that will manage them and still keep them under state control and under e-surveillance of various types You know and that can be just here's your obama phone in you better do your work base placement you better do your online therapy you better eat the right food no you better check in at the doctor we will manage all of those opportunities for us returning citizen as a paper success impact market. And if u don't there will be consequences and when i say i keep ending up in certain places to see things international,

41:37 Conference of police commissioners I think was in Philadelphia a couple of years ago and our open data portal you'll hear lots and lots about e-government and open data. Well the guy who pushed Open Government, open data portals for Philadelphia Was actually work for the police department He spun off a corporate company that developed predictive policing software using our free data To sell it back to our city and Detroit and East st. Louis in Chicago go figure It was called as of a well as of a held an open house during that conference That was weirdly opened to the public in hunch lab That was their predictive policing software And so I went because they had have domain awareness system was going and he's like a 27 year old guy, and I'm like how did you?

42:18 get in charge of domain awareness system, which is New York City's AI camera policing that was developed with Microsoft. And they played a real low key event that whole thing they did not they were really downplaying the significance of it but at the end we had a couple of choice questions around algorithms for white collar crime and in that sort of thing but a guy in the back he raised his hand and he said just in closing I want you to know that the future of policing is predictive analytics Drone surveillance and essentially what he was saying is they were going to be using drones and predictive analysis, AI policing to run the policing systems. And so that's open air prison. That's an open air prison. So if you don't stay on your pathway

43:04 They will know and there will be consequences. And if all of your ways of surviving live in a digital wallet on your phone, they can just cut that out in real time If you don't fulfill your obligations to the hedge fund markets and it's incredible. I'm not saying that it will fully manifest this way but that is their bigger goal So what we have to do is try to get the prison abolition community This applies to immigration too This is what I've been trying to speak about with the immigration community The border conversation is at this point in a biosecurity state. Internet bodies the border can be your front door if you're a threat to the system you will be identified as a biological threat and the border will be your front door, so we really have to reimagine what issue of bodily sovereignty and control means in terms of immigration when immigration could mean that you get to leave your neighborhood

43:57 Wow yeah you're right you never wanna be fighting the last war when they've already moved on from that and yes they made us all biological threats covid being the operation that makes this stuff socially acceptable. We see some of the elements like vaccine passports or QR code starting to be a part of our society but when it comes to social credits and this blockchain identity its a little harder to see how will get onboarded did that, A lot of stuff so far has been from businesses, like the mask thing. Businesses have been the enforcement level of these protocols The government gets to use this middleman and just say to businesses do this or we'll shut you down And it provides them a little bit of cover to have that middleman But with these digital ledgers and credits I'm sure a lot of people listening are saying themselves Well...I'm just not doing that To get people to acquiesce on this issue does seem like a taller order but of course there are ways

44:54 How do these more personal digital ledgers actually enter our lives? Is it coming from somewhere like the next version of TurboTax software and H&R Block?" So I would encourage people to look up, it's called The Commons Project. And The Commons Project is the Rockefeller Foundation and the World Economic Forum okay. And so this outfit I think came alive in the middle of last year and kind of was in sleep mode until April but they've developed At least at this point, three different products to manage people through the biosecurity state. And the one that people are hearing about now is CommonPass which is the airports a number of the airport Heathrow and other airlines are talking about using CommonPass as this biometric health passport status. It's clear that the media is covering for this because all you have to do is go to their website there other two products The second one is to manage access to education and employment

45:49 Okay so that's pretty serious right if the next one out is that you can't go to your job unless you have a daily health status check or your child can't go to school if they don't have a health status check. The other one is real time health data analytics and so I do believe that that is going to link into, A future where they are actually doing biosensors and i don't think it will be in the first round of the coven but clearly there saying grooming us for repeated pandemics repeated applications of injections. And darpa is working with profusa on injectable bio sensors that they frame as the future a pandemic preparedness so its very clear that the plan is to have resonate our data or biological data information with the internet,

46:35 So these things are not hidden there right there on the comments project page and if you look at their board they have over sixty individuals who are connected to this board. One of the architects his name is jp pollack he's affiliated with something called a small data lab which is at cornell tech neon on roosevelt island in new york that was set up by google michael bloomberg, i am found out several years ago doing essentially digital dust your data footprint and how that relates to your health and preventative health status Pollack is on the board of the comments project as well as deborah estrin and deborah estrin for a long time was a professor at ucla and then moved into new york to work at cornell tech, i'm just small data lab but in i believe it was two thousand one there wasn't a national gathering about embedded sensor networks and they were already envisioning in two thousand one.

47:24 Smart buildings ingestible internet of things technology ubiquitous sensing environments so that has been twenty years in the making that they knew that they were planning to build this type of world for at least twenty years. You know not publicly i think it's called embedded everywhere and you can look it up debra strand, So we need to be before covid hit my thought was because i was doing primarily education research that it would come through. A digital transcript system and that will be tied to free quote unquote college, add for all the progressives out there who are about single payer and free education is gonna be on blockchain if you don't demand that is not bad.

48:06 So i thought that you would get some sort of a voucher for education, that would tie into a transcript to digital transcript and not something that might be is been developing with the learning machine in southern new hampshire university and it's also in place in dallas. With backing jp morgan and tulsa so these are early test beds for the online education transcript and this is what i want really relate people who are doing alternative education systems right now is that i know a lot of people are pulling their kids out of schools because its such a terrible Trauma for kids to be in schools under the circumstances are to be online once they get these digital wallet set up. They will be advancing digital education vouchers which will mean that any entity that accepts the digital payments will very likely have to deliver back data and impact data for these markets

48:56 So that if your library if the climbing gym if your community theater all of the things that traditional homeschool and unschooling communities would offer to people who are working outside the educational norm. Those things will likely all be co-opted because as soon as they take the public money there will be tied into the block chain system, And i bm is a huge part of this they have something called the learning economy that their affiliated with so. Even if you're outside in the future the future of work is determined by programs for micro tasks based on your skill locker which is being set up through this what's called x api technology and advanced distributed learning network, if the ai need to sort your badges to assign you my protocol

49:42 What happens to all the kids once they reach semi-adulthood who need to have employment if they have no badges? I have a child that i'm very glad got all the way through their elementary and secondary education without being in this. And we were very fortunate and privileged in that but what does that mean when they're thirty and have few badges because they didn't grow up in the badge education version of education, and their competing against someone in the early twenties who has five hundred badges that they earned right. I would lookup if you're in san diego l r n g the cities of l r ng because san diego is very advanced on a career tracking badges program as it's filled off in there about dozen other cities

50:22 So we really like when we're taking it on me have to take on the entire structure because if you just nibble at one bit it's not gonna actually. Yield the result that is going to be okay for future generations it just isn't right thats such an important point and thats why, you are so unique because all interview people who do go really hard on one aspect of this and not see how it connects two other things in it can be difficult but I mean in basic terms it seems like 2020 is the year to crush the economy push people towards needing government assistance and then when they need the government that's when the strings that are attached or easy-to-see. And its like everybody on parole you have to checkin, to get the services you need we all kind of been bred for system dependence so its not hard to see how many people will truly get swept up in this net

51:17 And then the example of the first block chain baby in tanzania was really great and it really does paint a picture of. What their planning i mean what does life look like in bloomberg's perfect smart city and say twenty twenty five or twenty thirty what is the life of an individual, look like What happened mention it get i'm sure your listeners are pretty familiar with united nations sustainable development goals and sort of that. Are some in agenda twenty one like pushing everyone into smart cities so we're seeing that

51:53 Again as a colonial project a lot of that is also ultimately going to involve pushing indigenous people off of their lands you know as a safety for the environment right and it's keep us safe from pandemic so that is the world banks one health initiative so there's a drive to push everyone into concentrated environments. And off of the land itself the housing piece, A lot of people who talk about stack and pack housing in concentrated urban centers i know you know california is the bay area sort of ground zero for that sort of planning. It's really interesting there is a company called casita which is based out of austin that was talking about essentially creating assembly line tiny houses and not tiny house movement as part of this, is it starting with heartwarming stories like high school kids building them for you know needy individuals but ultimately they're gonna create assembly lines are talking about like cars. They frame as like the sleek mid century modern life lovely living environment

52:48 Incidentally they say there's sixty internet of things sensors in this cargo container house right tiny house so you know they will know when you went in with your retinal door scan it will not you know when you first get up in the morning cuz, have automated shade systems core doctor actually has a novella called unauthorized bread that speaks to this the internet of things house and its within a refugee immigrant setting but is he highly managed. I call them data pods like your home will be your data pod rate and you smart refrigerators that know what your food is. One of the things is managing food assistance and that's another one of these blockchain thought experiments that the state of Illinois has been looking into. In 2018 they put forth a statewide task force to explore blockchain, and one of the concepts they had—and this is all tied in with behavioral economics and Richard Thaler and Cass Sunstein—is to put food assistance in a digital wallet and then putting digital coding to incentivize proper choices around your food

53:48 So that if you made the food choice that they wanted to make for example the apple vs hamburger it would give you an incentive payment and so essentially its coding every aspect of your life now, That thing while some people might say well it's good for people to help me i think that a good thing what they're giving them extra. No because ultimately they will change the benefit amount so that only works if you always make the right choice and the right choice may often be impossible if you live in a food desert are you work three jobs or your housing insecure like none of those issues are taken under account in this system of blockchain coded behavior management,

54:25 And in this diagram that they show about incentivizing through coding and Internet of things, the right food choice. That could be anything any public service it could be the right health intervention choice rate it can be the right therapy choice it can be the right educational choice. It could make any choice that the government wants you to make not at this point the government is google and goldman sachs rate like are you know all but those are the representatives of government, investors in these public private partnerships whatever choices that they want me to make is the choice will be made and what increasingly concerns me both about food access as well healthcare. Is this stuff actually deeply embedded in eugenics

55:05 And managing people's genomic and bioinformatics information and so synthetic biology is a huge piece of the fourth industrial revolution. Add these are individuals who could very well create impact markets in managing people as genomic receptors, injecting people through either healthcare interventions or food interventions to actually re-engineer them biologically to suit some sort of aspirational idea of what a human in service of the fourth industrial revolution for Davos would look like. And i will just throw this out there cuz i've been doing a lot of research lately around social finance ronald cohen has different outfits in the uk and us he has one israel and i've been looking at social finance israel, much of it is embedded in israel being start up nation now israel's going to be impact nation. Around social impact actually setting up all sorts of social impact markets with the rock child foundation in israel but much of the startup nation emerged out of its

56:02 National infrastructure around supporting cyber security. Because everyone does military service and so the best in the brightest are trained in those systems and lifted up and given support to start their own technology companies many of which are biotech. But unit ninety nine hundred is a surveillance unit visual satellite surveillance and they're actually working, with autistic children young adults at this point but people who have a certain mental framework that makes them a good fit to do that sort of work And so, you know I think we just really have to be very thoughtful about how this is playing out and how these different parts are playing out in terms of managing people as domestic livestock pretty much. I mean looking at domestic livestock or even wildlife population management the billionaires see us in that same vein where really no different to them than

56:54 Livestock i think you said that in the beginning so if you got your smart house, you're making your food choices maybe have your smart toilet actually have a mention like sphincter biometrics features and who sits on the toilet and what the results are. You know u go to work for placement but maybe the workforce you work for unit nine ninety This isn't here, but like you're sitting on your sofa doing satellite analysis. Right? You never get to leave your house except for maybe you're required to get your social prescribing physical health aspects and so that they'll have internet of things sensors in your shoes that know when you took a walk and what your heart rate was. And this is tied in with something called social prescribing that Michael Bloomberg is advancing through something called participatory cities

57:34 And it again is all my united nations sustainable development goals bloomberg was both the ambassadors the world health organization and the u n for climate change so he has essentially acquired. Dozens and dozens of mayors in cities throughout the united states throughout europe and even india now israel to carry out this data driven what works government program that is about transforming people into these data commodities through every aspect of. Your life function both individually and socially Wow. That is a really great breakdown, I hope it opens up some eyes out there and some of the things you said made me think about how before COVID was the justification for this stuff climate change seemed to be right? And we do hear the conversation about climate change lockdowns being necessary and it's another thing to look out for when it comes to this problem reaction solution kind of template

58:33 that is really what i'm worried about most not being able to even go to get my meat from a sustainable local farm because he's basically driven out of business and another aspect that we keep seeing. No cope it crushed a lot of mom and pop independent businesses yet target walmart haven't been closed today and it just starts to make me think about how this really isn't attack on independent businesses and When they change up the currency when it becomes these credits like universal basic income and i said we can only use these credits at certain places that looks like you could really be the death blow to non corporate outside of the club businesses. Yeah i agree people need to understand what token economics is,

59:26 Cryptocurrency isn't just about digital versions of fiat currency it really is tokens anything can be tokenized and this is what's really challenging so one of the things I found a couple years ago early on was that Australia which is again seeing really repressive measures around the lockdown. They were piloting something through, they're among these 10 digital nations. We aren't it but like Canada the UK Israel Estonia Paraguay and Portugal I mean there's like 10 of them in Australia is one of them going towards electronic government and open data government they were piloting putting their disability benefits on blockchain and they framed it It's called making money smart The white paper making money smart And was about programmable money

1:00:14 And then I have a friend there who is familiar with how the social welfare system is working out and they're revisiting everybody's entitlements, right? And I'm hearing the same thing happening in the UK. Because if you imagine we're moving to a world of telepresence labor rate where labor is happening digitally around the world and people are competing digitally with other people around the world but then there's also haptic controlling labor where people are controlling remote control robots in other parts of the world That when you have someone who is physically limited and does not have the mobility to get into a certain place of employment that all the sudden their access to benefits could start to become reliant on what you need to be a cafe waiter through robot. In order to retain your tokens for disability benefit,

1:01:03 Is robots being operated by disabled people that's advanced in japan but you can very much see how i was hearing things and philadelphia we had a special city council poverty committee and the thing they were saying made no sense, if you understand the fourth industrial revolution because what they were saying is now the elderly need to figure out ways to reskill all the elderly. What if you took on face value that the fourth industrial revolution was automating labor so that people would have a better quality of life certainly wouldn't be about rescaling elderly to do this work writing but it's not about that is about creating pathways to make the other lead jump through hoops, set up someone can bet on them and impact market so this idea tokens and programmable money even your rights in entitlements could be a token.

1:01:46 There been a number of papers that i read around blockchain healthcare, that your health status would be a token. It will be represented as a token But your health status could also be framed as a right and privilege or unlocking rights and privileges this is the game of five universe in have a webinar i would encourage people if they're interested in augmented reality and ethereum smart contracts. With my friend joseph gonzalez who has thirty year career in game design block chain and we did a webinar on it called well you go to mention gears input, the weather are you been waiting for will come up but understanding life in these interactive smart environments where the tokens and currency and value get very muddy with your rights. And again, I have my own issues with the founding fathers but if all of a sudden our rights that are given to us

1:02:34 Citizens of our respective nations are somehow overrated by token rates that are guided by our compliance to public private partnership agreements that have been made because we've been dispossessed out of having any autonomy over our future that's a very different thing and people need to understand. That the entities in charge of these smart contracts may start out being people but there are still something called a decentralized autonomous organization which is essentially a corporate entity created and code that runs on binary logic, has no people involved once they started so it could very well be that these whole systems become run by AI.

1:03:13 I didn't even have to be generalize intelligence it could just simply be a corporate entity running on computer code and then how do you how do we even engage in that if there's injustice. It's crazy. And right now, you know when I was doing the work around Israel they because Israel is actually running the COVID reopen program in the state of Rhode Island which is crazy to me that no one is talking about that but Gina Raimondo has invited an Israeli health ministry to manage the COVID situation in Rhode Island and Israel like among their digital nation programs they talk about having a rights engine so everyone will have their rights on a wallet but everybody has different right

1:03:53 And they frame it as sort of your benefit entitlement like oh look you know you'll know at any point in time what your entitlements are but i don't think its ultimately going to be intended to be a good thing. Entitlement that you have when you leave your house in the morning if something happens to along the way there's that black mirror nose dive episode you know something happened do you, did u follow up with the system and then you come home in your retina scan on your affordable housing pod doesn't work right and that kind of world that we risk building. If we don't speak up understand bigger picture Yes yes cheers to that and i guess that brings me two solutions you know when we do shows like this i definitely like to remind people at the plan is just the plan we don't know exactly how far they'll get with it so maybe we can ease up a little bit on the hyperventilating in the panic thinking, end focus on solutions instead of just staring slack jawed at the totality of what's coming and i've heard you mentioned looking at indigenous sovereignty movements

1:04:52 I think that's smart. America has always had groups of people, like even say the Amish who do live within the gates but they don't really participate so i don't know maybe that's something to think about but... You know Philadelphia? That's the funny thing when I moved here like 20 years ago you know I was sort of infatuated with the myth of what Philadelphia was and then I realized for all of the mythological colonial aspects there are Really amazing counterpoints to that that are actually probably more of a real freedom like Du Bois is you know WB Dubois spent time here writing the Philadelphia Negro and John Coltrane and Paul Robeson And you know really these days I think a lot about John Africa and move, you know John Africa He really knew a lot. And that's why he was such a target right? Like why move was such a threat to those status quo of the city of Philadelphia That they had to drop a giant firebomb in the middle of the city or

1:05:43 Move was that the ideas of John Africa couldn't really be out there. Hmm So yeah, there's a lot of other possibilities and I think that's why I'm trying to channel like tomorrow in lieu of That event that I'm not participating in that was the founding fathers sort of centered is that I still want to do something And so we're going to go to I've invited people to join me at six and market which is where The Washington Washington's house was working people enslaved we're gonna do an intention there and acknowledge the ancestors of those people who resisted for so long because i do think that there is something about. Acknowledging ancestors in knowledge and people that have gone before you don't think they really totally gone right i think you can acknowledge them and bring them into our consciousness of how we proceed,

1:06:29 And then we're going to reject the contract of human capital bonds at the Philadelphia Fed and then walk. It's about a 15 minute walk over the house of William Still, who was a conductor on the Underground Railroad and his house is still there it's been made over but the stoop with the steps, the limestone steps are eroded where all of the footprints and he sheltered over 690 enslaved people in their escape to freedom So those are the people that we need to be connecting with, I think energetically right now is how did people oppose totalitarian systems that would seek to erase their humanity both enslaved people and indigenous people. And to know that if we keep they're winning by the narrative they are winning by the storytelling by the media and we have to present a compelling counter-narrative i think that speaks to the history but also speaks of the possibility of redemption in love

1:07:21 And I think we can do that but we have to keep finding new ways and new networks to share that responsibility and redemption in love. I think that's where i feel like it needs to come from, and I know there is a big movement of people who are trying to build more autonomous communities I think that's very interesting. I'd like to imagine that idea would work, given directed energy weapons and geoengineering—I don't know how viable that is as a long-term solution—but some of us who can are meant to stand and face this thing. And I feel like at least for me right now if I need to go to Washington and call out the woman from Goldman Sachs to say don't put children on surveillance play tables, I do that. You know? I need to show up and speak truth to power

1:08:04 And that's what i'm trying to do and invite others but i think alternative communities are useful in coming up with models and I met with when I went to new york. Recently just speak at an event against qualms proposal for vaccine mandates there was a group in the hudson valley that was developing some economic independence like farming communities independent holistic health, add education options and supporting foodways It's a beautiful actually i mean they invited me and i really received the gift in return to be part of that community so yeah i'm in, i've been trying to do what i can from behind this computer screen but you definitely make me feel like i need to put my money where my mouth is and get out there and do a lot more and we should fight back but also worry about how.

1:08:51 For half my life i've had alternative thoughts on things and i can't seem to get my friends and family that i love too, acknowledge that there are other ways to look at certain events in history. It's just like there seems to be such a barrier between being open to alternatives and not and I don't know what it is my dna that's different than a body of mines the anybody just won't look at it so i worry about our ability to fight back as i worry about our ability to increase our numbers when the totality in the machine is so well executed and mk ultra goes back so far

1:09:32 and the education indoctrination system is so absolute. It just seems like some people are grabbed by that mainstream, and you just can't shake them loose. And I feel like a wedge is being driven between alternative thinkers and the friends and family that we love who are still inside the circle. Do you have tips for outreach? For getting to those people? living in the world where we reject a vaccine and stuff like that. I have a friend who's just a very good soul, and he gave me some advice and said you're not going to be able to change people. You can't change anyone but there are intercessionaries in faith practice that carry the message so you put your intention out

1:10:20 You put your intention out into the world and then you have to have faith that it will go where it needs to go. And maybe the place that you feel like it should go, it doesn't go but goes other places and I'm kind of amazed at people who get in touch with me through my blog that are all sorts of interesting places and have interesting backgrounds and I would never imagine my message would get to them but it did right? So we have to have faith in our system and one of the recent talks was listening to John Trudell he said time is actually on our side And that's hard to feel like because it feels like there is such a pressure to act. But I'm not saying we should just skate along and not think about it, but I think we shouldn't be panicked

1:10:57 Because time a lot of this if you think about it like the western science and sciences in an access to knowledge is that our public knowledges right about physics and about other quantum physics string theory and time. The people who are in power in charge of these military systems have far more sophisticated understandings and access technologies that we know nothing up, we maybe only have glimpses of and so I think that if we're coming from a place of spirit that there might be more time than we think and I don't know. I would say My friend like after the ceremony that we did on the water, and she said you know There's a Lakota story That talks about the Creator being very upset with people and just wanting to destroy the earth And that the eagle

1:11:44 So intervene and said don't be too hasty give me a little bit of time let me go and check things out. And then the eagle like flew around in around for like many days and was not seeing anything good but then eventually caught sight one man and one woman who are fulfilling old practices that were keeping the old ways, and that was restored to the eagle brought back to the creator instead you know just so you know there's still couple people out there who are Meeting their obligation like doing the commitment and then at that point, that was enough to sort of stave off the end of the world. You know? At that point it was to foreclose that but it was only a couple of people. It wasn't everybody right and so I think if we're thinking about time and possibility

1:12:29 Robin will come is another one of my favorite people and she's a forestry school professor biologist at the sydney system in new york. And she says in part what am i nation and she talks about shit again, the Chaga tinder fungus and that it was used to carry the embers from upstate New York where her people were pushed out of, to the Great Lakes region. And they carried the fire in these tinder funguses and that this idea that it is our responsibility to be the tinder carrier right? We might want a wildfire like we might want to be the big bonfire or something but it might not be that time but if we refuse our responsibility to at least carry as far as we can carry

1:13:10 Then that forecloses the option for future generations to have access to the ember. So I feel like that's what we're doing now even though we might want to see a wildfire resistance if we trust there is a larger plan and then we are coming at this from a place of good intention, Then we do the best we can with what we have in the moment and then hope that's enough and hope that our fortitude. And trying to do the right thing, the right way will eventually people will acknowledge it when the door opens for them to be able to do that very poetic i love it is true at the end of the day all we can do is be proud and comfortable of our own actions and let the chips fall where they may

1:13:54 Man, just really good advice. This has been so interesting and enjoyable obviously we need high quality sources for breaking this stuff down that's the role that I've tried to fill is connecting people to those high quality sources like yourself and your website is definitely a great tool your recent presentation biometric health passports and the panopticon is what I've been trying to share as my Hail Mary to people I'm like I know I only get one with some of the people who know me best. I'm like, just watch this one thing! It didn't come from David Icke it has nothing to do with Alex Jones you know check this out and i'm hoping that that is uh... gonna resonate with some people that have been hard to reach for me but fingers crossed and thanks so much for being here any other links to give the people or upcoming events are plans they should know about

1:14:44 No, at this point we're just taking it one day at a time. If this is not live I would say if it were live just think about me tomorrow and it's going to be pouring down rain. We're going to be taking the evergreens to the Federal Reserve building and refusing their contracts but yeah wrenchinthegears.com is my blog so people want to check it out and hear what you think! And if you have a compelling reason that I'm wrong like I am open hearing that too because I don't really want to be right about it. Yes, well said. And intention sounded cheesy to me maybe five years ago but when you really digest the science there and the long history of people using it there is something to it so whether its tomorrow or whenever this show goes up we will send ya some good intention and it's truly been a honor and pleasure I'm thankful that were introduced hopefully we can meet for real sometime but until then take care keep fighting the good fight Thank You Greg

1:15:41 Wow, just wow guys. I feel very fortunate to have gotten this interview with Allison because i think she's hovering over the target more than most of course there is a reason for all this data collection and surveillance technology of course there's a reason why they're starting when kids are young and implementing so much at the school level And it shouldn't surprise anyone that all of this data is being collected from smart fridges to Fitbits, to if you've gotten your gold star or not for the COVID vaccine. It's all being fed back into Wall Street databases where they can run a very similar game to the one they played with our mortgages. It's the mind virus of global management and it makes me think about that curious question we often speculate about

1:16:32 which is whether or not the predator class thinks of itself as evil. How do they really feel about their own actions when it comes to this sort of stuff? Personally, I think it starts with their own superiority complex and their attitude that the world needs their management They're afraid of a little chaos They're afraid of letting go of the wheel And they think that they're in the positions they're in because it's how it's supposed to be and I think that they think If they're doing this management for the good of the world, they might as well build a system to monitor it and make a little money from their own management. Badda bing badda boom! Hard to really know and it's a mixed bag I'm sure... I bet there were colonizers frothing at the mouth who enjoyed watching the skin melt from the bones of the indigenous

1:17:22 But I would imagine most of them were reluctant implementers who are just stuck on bad ideas saying things like, you know... Does it matter to the person tied to the stake? No. And i'm not trying to make excuses for this sort of stuff but if we wrap our own minds around their mindset how could they do what they do and sleep at night I think it becomes easier to see where these threads are leading, and it's right where Allison is focused if you ask me. And honestly when Bill Gates and Bloomberg and pretty much any of these guys speak they get a standing ovation They get people fawning over them to a ridiculous degree wanting to shake their hand and take pictures and cry being in their presence You think that doesn't reinforce their shitty mindset?

1:18:13 It definitely makes me feel like, well we get what we deserve sometimes. It's frustrating to take a minority position on pretty much every issue right? I'm losing my patience here! I can count on one hand the times that these people actually got even a very mild taste of what they deserve when the guy threw the shoe at George W Bush When someone egged Bill Gates in the late 90s i think he also got pied in the face once too Pretty tame stuff and very rare, but these people have thousands of human interactions a week and most of it is... Gee thanks for all the work you do! Humanity would be lost without your brilliant leadership. So forgive me for being a bit cynical about any hope that we can actually keep this stuff from happening

1:19:05 It's always way after the fact that people finally say, man I guess the war in Iraq was a bad idea. I guess they did lie about that maybe the war on drugs and mass incarceration was a bit gross too And even when the scales tip and the overwhelming majority finally sees the light The bulk of the damage is already done and it even continues in both the examples there The War In Iraq and the War On Drugs The public endorsement of it has changed but hasn't changed for the people who are most affected by it and still are affected right now. I can cover a lot of subjects around here unemotionally but this gets under my skin and is important to maintain some sense of hope, as difficult as that might be

1:19:52 i really admire allison's ability to unpack these things and actually go and confront the implementers, and resist in a real in person way she does it all a true inspiration. And while i still wanna keep the higher side chats open to a wide range of topics and not forget about the mystery and wonder in the world outside of the heavy conspiratorial themes of our time I'm also on a bit of a personal quest lately to align with the right people. The Allison McDowells, the Whitney Webs, the Derek Broses... ...the local SoCal grass-fed ranchers! Because i think it's going to be important to know the people that are building the new world These are the party planners for the freaks weirdos and rebels that will be kicked out from the new techno society And I want my invite because

1:20:50 I couldn't really imagine trying to go it alone. You're watching me in real time try to steer my assets towards better networking and it really is a win-win-win for them, for you and for me And I hope you're taking what you've built or what you're good at and doing something similar probably on a local level because when shit really hits the fan Is it gonna mean anything that uh? I have a few good contacts in Philly one day at a time right But I did love this interview and i've been very liberal with THC plus free trial coupon codes this year because I do think the words of our guests are more important than they were even a year or two ago because the stakes have changed. I've given these codes out on about a dozen interviews that I've given on other shows, I gave out a couple on Twitter, I gave one when we talked to Dr Kaufman and just a couple shows back with Nora Gidgaudis

1:21:51 There's even one on my little MP3 filler for the joint session if you're subscribed to the free feed. But all that is just to say, if you haven't used any of them yet this is definitely a show that I would dig one out for! Some of the stuff we talked about in the second hour would include token economics geofencing and the space-based global prison how major video game companies are involved in this... That was pretty surprising to me We also talked about ross ben a few other colleagues and the spiritual aspects of all this it's a great episode of what i do around here but im also telling you that the vast majority of what we talked about today is in her presentation biometric health passports and the panopticon. It is free on youtube,

1:22:42 where THC is still in timeout for a few more days, but go and watch it there on her channel or go to wrenchinthegears.com where you'll find it on the first page But share this presentation with people It's probably a better strategy than attacking the virus paradigm directly Or trying to convince people that The Predator class would intentionally put something harmful in a globally rolled out and in some cases soon-to-be required vaccine Despite the sketchy history there that people won't look at I think those things are important, but maybe not the best plan of attack. Maybe three weeks ago i thought it was because that's what i had in my arsenal however everyone thinks wall street is greedy and heartless and we have the template of 2008 to weigh this against And with that people might start to see it

1:23:34 The globalization overlap with the rise of the prison industrial complex is also a great parallel that might help nudge more people towards that moment we've been so anxiously waiting for. When i have asked a lot of our guests this year how to get through two people we love, a lot of them have come back with well not everyone is going to see it you can't make them and now everyone is gonna make it through this well I'm not quite ready to give up and just watch the people i'm closest to get walked off a ledge into the ocean. I know it's tough when data collection and herd management is widely seen as philanthropy, when what people see as altruistic world leaders of global health are actually billionaires using the husk of global health to exert control over each individual

1:24:23 What people consider the economy is a manufactured rig game of hamster wheels and rat races distracting humanity from deeper spiritual calling. And people rarely ask why things are the way they are they just don't reverse engineer the whole thing back to who benefits and why it was implemented, It's like Allison had said, she thought she was fighting school closures in Philadelphia but has come to realize she is fighting a militaristic technocracy takeover of all aspects of life and society. You gotta know the game you're playing to play it right. It's no small thing but when it comes to our own personal outreach...

1:25:03 we will not get a lot of chances to make our case. So when you do, make sure you know your stuff and you approach things strategically." A spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down or something like that but either way make sure you're following Allison because she's on it they have created the conditions of poverty and lockdown derived income devastation and limited choice that will allow them to quote unquote fix it and also profit greatly off of it But I don't know what else to say. I hope it was as good for you as it was for me. Wrenchinthegears.com for more, I'm trying to give you the best tools I can and really drive home that the conspiratorial counterculture is the better culture despite what they say about us but I'll see you next time! I've done my part Your move education co-opters digital dystopia directors and builders of the technocratic global prison your fuckin'

1:26:05 Sometimes when I get down, I eat a bunch of corporate junk Stuff that makes you fat Yeah it's homemaking industry Discipline is my knife No mixing, I only have to face it Wrong Got an addiction to the digital technology Now and then I try to quit And leave it be But its too hard See discipline Is no my knife I'm not disciplined It only has

1:28:12 I'm not the big conspiracy and every one of them is to me but i'm that