Alex Tsakiris | Scientism, Spirituality, & Why Evil Matters

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01:31 All right, Hiresite Chatters. How's it going out there riding the waves of the vast and choppy conspiracy? From sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood And long time listeners know we have spent a lot of time talking about health consciousness magic manifestation multi-dimensional entities mind control black budgets cultural manipulation geopolitics spirituality power corruption and many other things that make up the construct of our carefully managed human terrarium but we don't focus too often on evil by name. It's certainly in the mix of our conversations, but some might find it curious how rarely society tackles the notion of evil head-on which didn't always seem to be true

02:13 Maybe it's social engineering, widespread neglect or straight up denial but it seems like slowly over time the foresight to keep a spotlight shined on evil has slowly faded away to the point that people have forgotten how to even identify it. Or if its really even there It is this ambiguity and even widespread apathy that seems out of place in human experience But it not arbitrary because as we know The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the world he didn't exist Well, here to reintroduce us is my friend and yours the great Alex Sikeris as he's written a new book entitled Why Evil Matters How Science and Religion Fumbled The Big One. Many of you know Alex from the Skeptico podcast where he focuses on the exploration of consciousness and regularly points out that if a scientific discipline and its gaggle of academics refuse to fold in the existence of consciousness into their model how valuable is their work?

03:08 Some would say it's half-baked at least, and now the same can be said about the ignorance of evil in a lot of these same areas. I don't think this is going to be one for the faint of heart but let's do the damn thing! One of my favorite confrontational podcasters, The SoCal King Of Consciousness Convos, The Man Himself, bend the knee people Alex MyMan great to have you back! Oh Greg show me states favorite conspiratorial son i like it so great to be back in your company man and those introductions on like. Hell yes he's right he's trying is like you this was trying to say that you said it better than i did

03:46 Too kind but it is a real pleasure man you've been a great friend and colleague and we got a lot to catch up on i'm excited to see where this goes but let's kick off with the obvious first question as to what this new book is about why this topic what's the elevator pitch for why evil matters. I mean it's in surly when i say i really couldn't have done better than you did because you captured the subtlety of that i gotta say eighty percent people miss rate at the beginning to come right out of the gate is this what about this and your not cut, this isn't a book about what is evil or what you know with this more evil than something else is it more evil too drone strike.

04:32 a wedding party in Yemen versus the evil pandemic, it's a question of why looking through that lens might be unnecessary first step. And just as you perfectly said, why aren't we doing that? Because as you alluded to, we used to be kind of more tuned into asking the initial question of should we be investigating evil yeah it is an absolutely great topic to tackle and i agree just seems like especially in the last year,

05:12 the conversations i've been trying to have with people are look i'm convinced the guest is usually convinced the audience's convinced but we need to increase our numbers in terms of people who think there might be something fishy going on here and when you reverse engineer that all the way down. To the beginning it's like the issue, is that many of our friends and family don't think that people in positions of power could have anything but good intentions And so they aren't even putting evil or nefariousness on the radar. And if you can't do that, you'll never wake up to what's really going on out there. That is perfectly put and I don't think I realized that when I started this project down the evil path but it really did become clear in the last year with the pandemic because its very very subtle what your saying and its this divide between science

06:08 who we just kind of go along with the idea that they don't have any steak in the evil game to begin with because they don't believe it could possibly exist so will just let them march long on their own now if you will does exists. If evil is a part of this overall fabric, especially in this extended fabric of consciousness that we know exists out there. Then why would we give them a pass? Why would be just a priori assume that science doesn't have any stake in that it doesn't... We shouldn't even hold them accountable for analyzing or evaluating whether any of that as at play let alone as you're going next level and saying

06:55 Could their motives possibly be something that we would characterize as nefarious evil not so good. Yeah it's a question at least worth asking, a lot of the gas i've interviewed they been talking about dumbing us down for years and part of that is making us ignorant of all sorts of things and having this big blind spot for evil, and whether you go to the rockefeller's the rothschild bill gates these people put a lot of money into managing their PR in there reputation.

07:31 and i don't know that truly all touristic people need to even do that so it's just another red flag but is a great book that weaves through your own thoughts as well as the insights of many of your guests It's something that I've been trying to work on myself, actually. So to read it, it's great to see something in that kind of format and it really explores some interesting ideas but when it comes to the guests that made into the book what do you think surprised you most about their reactions or responses when you'd bring up the notion of evil in these conversations?

08:09 Well, you know it kind of came about almost the other way Greg where I kept bumping into it and then I kind of caught on what was going on. You know I start out in the book with an interview that I actually did a couple years ago and it isn't exactly where I was going but was with an FBI guy, a guy who is undercover FBI agent for like 20 years And he was telling me his story about Nambla. Remember, Nambla from South Park? You know? Right. Because he was on the Nambla case and the first thing you said is, you know, you think undercover is what everybody in the FBI does. He goes actually it's not like that because only a small group of people can really do the whole thing of totally getting in character and totally winning the confidence of these people. So when somebody came in and said

09:04 Hey, we have a new case and it's really weird. There are only a few people to choose from and I was one of the people who got chosen." So this is a guy who has done drug smuggling, gangs all sorts of crazy things in his career and next up for him is he meeting with these group of really creepy mostly middle-aged men who were interested in having sex with little boys, little girls sometimes but a lot of little boys. And the story he tells is going to one of their field trips to Times Square New York City back when Times Square was really Times Square before everything happened but they used have big Toys R Us there

09:50 There was a big carousel wheel inside the store was like twenty feet thirty feet high and he was standing there. Rolling around with all these men is named guys, Enable for people who don't know we just made that passing reference to south park is the north american man boy love association. So they can create this political front for pedophiles to make it sound like over trying to advance this politically, And he says, you know that at no time were these people interested in any political agenda. They just wanted to get together and rape and not only rape but they wanted to hurt these little kids. Back to Times Square, he said he was standing there in the store and these men are looking over the rail

10:45 And they're looking at the parents, but they're looking at these kids. They are talking about what they want to do with these kids and it's not just about sex it is about violence and how they want hurt him. He says Alex if I wasn't undercover I would have thrown those guys out of tossed them over that twenty foot rail and enjoyed watching their head smash on the ground So two things, one I think a lot of us can relate to that feeling that we get when we feel like that's going to be inflicted on somebody especially somebody as helpless or has a six-or seven year old child. But what it also brought into focus for me and this is what i asked them about, I ask them about the evil question because it almost like snaps us out of

11:39 I don't know just kinda lol that you're talking about at the beginning of the show we go no that's freaking evil. That is freaking evil there don't tell me about, you know sexual preference or and that is evil what they wanted to do with evil and then as soon as you grab hold yourself you go okay if i know in my gut but thats evil What is that mean what does that mean that means evil isn't just this evil is a social construct evil is whatever anyone says it's like no man, no there something else to it and that story to me kinda helps. Can you jump into that in a way can shake me out of the fog what do you think you know what i mean

12:27 Yeah absolutely i think that we are at a point and this comes up in the book as well that were trying to justify everything with science like you say about sexual preference or it's a mental condition inside well sometimes it is just evil and this is kind of how the devil slips and you know just so to speak Because if you're in denial, you don't really recognize what's going on and it's this justification which is always it is through science. Which is kind of the weird thing about it like we're looking for a scientific explanation because we have removed spirituality from the world at large so its gotta have some explanation and we just can't fathom it instead of just pinning evil for evil we try to

13:15 do all these mental gymnastics to find a scientific explanation that then i don't know what they wanna do with that point just accept it like foster at, it just seems strange but we used to have our guard up a lot more against evil and we use the more vigilant and i think its probably time to return to that. Will you said a couple of things there that i think are really interesting that i want to return to is The last thing you said about having our guard up, I hadn't really thought of that but that definitely has to be in play here right? Because when i was flip-flopping back and forth between why is science so whack about this. Why can't they figure out at least the most obvious of it and maybe we'll talk about that in a minute with

14:02 Guy from ohio state university wasn't sure about whether the evil he's encountered is really evil but you know back to kind of flipping back and forth about that you go what could be the agenda. And i think one of the agenda items exactly as you just put it in the it kind of lets your guard down because if evil is merely a social construct, nearly something that well we all agree on and the drone strikes in Yemen, hey you know it's kind of great because maybe those Yemenese guys were really terrorists and maybe they were going to kill thousands so yeah I guess everything is kind of great. And it really takes like what we're just talking about you have to kind of then realize the implications that scientifically which is a connection you made which I think is so great and what I'm all about

14:58 What are the philosophical and scientific implications of saying that evil is merely a social construct? What it gets back to is saying, well really nothing in your life really has any meaning. There really is no good or bad on any kind of scale and you know what like Greg You've been down this path so long I've heard you so many times on the show, you know your way past the materialistic science. But i would throw that out as hey that is a legitimate question right?

15:35 But the problem is, the question has been answered and it's not true. You know scientific materialism fails. Consciousness is real extended consciousness Israel so we have to bring back on the table this whole thing of Is there a moral imperative? Could there be a right and wrong could they're really be in evil And that's really Without going too far just to get to that point would be a huge step forward because we're not there Yes, I agree it does heavily relate to the question of is there meaning in the universe and i know that you've had your frustrations with grant cameron's perspective as well as i have which is that what's all consciousness man. It's just all happening in this spectrum it's like okay maybe at a higher level ultimately that's true but its really not helpful

16:33 navigating reality it's not helpful for understanding the motives of these interactions with non human intelligences, it just doesn't really tell us anything so is just a frustration with some people just in ufology as an example that. We're trying to get a handle on should we be interacting with some of the stuff for interacting with and they just keep bringing it back to its all consciousness and if you can recognize evil you realize well you can't. Ration within your not gonna reason whether it's just just you should ostracize that from yourself in the people you care about and there should be more vigilance about protection but,

17:12 I didn't wanna switch gears on you too much, but this is also interesting because you're always having this question about consciousness with the scientific community. It's in the book and in the show that you still have to have this consciousness conversation and there In some cases in denial or maybe even outward rebellion against the idea of consciousness being real and it does make you wonder about the value of their academic work when they won't fold in consciousness at all well, let's apply that to what's going on in the last year and a half because. The way you approach this stuff has been really helpful for me because I apply that same sort of thinking to medical science and that most of these virologists or CDC medical experts, I think they're largely in the materialist paradigm too. And so I ask well if you still don't understand or acknowledge consciousness if you're not factoring that into what it is to be human even if you have good intentions how can I really trust your vaccine? You don't even understand

18:16 ecosystem really well that's a big big big point it's great and you've kind of brought the whole world into one little focal point which i think is awesome in that is yeah I would almost return back to the question of evil cuz that's where I thought you were going but I think we can get to the same place because What i've developed over the course of doing this and i certainly didn't see this at the beginning but can you really do. The whole evil thing now is almost like a litmus test. Like you were talking about Grant Cameron, who I have a lot of respect for but in general people in the UFO community when they can't wrap their heads around the possibility that these interactions with ET with non-human intelligence might be associated with something that we would identify as evil

19:16 If you can't wrap your head around that, if you can be willing to throw that on the table and say wow there's kind of a reasonable read someone who has been raped publicly by some entity and has the physical evidence to prove it. Yeah i guess I do have to consider that there might be in evil there So, in the same way that that becomes a litmus test and a similar litmus test for the academic who says well of course you know I've been around the block. I've seen a lot of things. I don't characterize anything as quote unquote evil because I've just seen so many different things again alarm bell goes off in my head but to return it to the pandemic thing

20:02 One thousand percent agree with you that what we saw in the last year to me is the I don't want to say the endgame because we have no idea where the end game is going but it is definitely a consequence of the one dumbing down and also, the manipulation of science and the total manipulation of science that does Relate back to exactly what you said if you are going to pedal the biological robot meaningless universe mean and if your allowed to get away with that.

20:41 then it makes it easier to get away with almost anything and to then do all sorts of scientific mandates. And then when people complain, they say quit your damn clamoring about scientific studies and analysis! I have a quote where the guy actually says that. It was about mask science because we did a show How science has repeatedly when you do the careful randomized controlled clinical trials all this nonsense about masks

21:16 falls away. There's no significant difference in clinical trials, of course in the laboratory you can show that a mask stops stuff from coming out of your face we knew that when we were right when you went to kindergarten your mom said Greg cover your face when you come up we knew that but But what they do is then they try and turn that into science when the real science says, and I'm getting a little bit off target but it comes back here. The real science as much as they've tested it over and over again and they don't know exactly why masks don't work in terms of Reducing the spread of disease in the population whatever disease that is you know cuz most of that science was done not just in the last year it was on five ten years ago make up getting the same result she doesn't lead to a reduction in spreading but my real point and all that was if u go look at the shows that i did research it's like here's a guy here's an official marketing saying those exact words

22:16 Stop clamoring about studies. He's telling us, the public stop worrying about the science will tell you when to wear a mask and damn it will tell you when you can stop wearing your freaking mask that is the end game that I think you're pointing too If i can fool you about consciousness if i can fool you about meaninglessness if i can convince you that the love u feel for your partner for your parents for your kids, does it really exist but its just a trick of the mind will then im well on my way to convincing you convincing any kind of bullshit scientific study i put in front.

23:01 Yes man that is so well said and that is why it's so important ignoring evil in a gnarling consciousness or extracting them from the you know the public mindset they both have similar effects and, yeah it's like science wants to tell you that love you feel is just chemicals just chemicals doesn't mean anything and they say the same about psychedelics you know it's just, chemicals in your brain it's your poison yourself and so you have these artifacts it's like no experience it. And what really is a peek behind the veil yes and you can say the same about love to love is something that shows you there's meaning in the universe

23:43 Science is this huge feel that's ripped both of those things away from the public consciousness but it also operates on this the ends justify the means kind of thing i mean think about all the even just animal torture, that goes on in the name of science that we turned a complete blind eye to because well ultimately its for the greater good. Well they've also tested a lot of stuff on mental patients people and prison Kids in orphanages kids in the third world me fizer just lost a giant lawsuit for damaging african boys with a vaccine.

24:25 they got meningitis and they lost this lawsuit. And my mind goes to, wow! They must have really screwed up the case must have been pretty clear because little boys in a village in Africa don't really have a lot of legal resources and Pfizer does so for Pfizer to still not be able to win that fight? I mean, that's interesting. And should they be injecting people with something now? Like, I think the whole history of science and medical science in particular it's full of evil but we don't call it that because well they're trying to improve the world and it's like well show me the fruits of that! Show me that! Because if you're gonna say this campaign is trying to make the world better...I just don't see it

25:09 Yeah, two things. Let me jump in there with two things one is on the meaning thing and it took me a long time to even be able to voice this because they are so effective with their messaging that for all of us even people like you and I who feel like we're kind of pushing against it and were weary and were on guard We still let our guard down when they say then The Universe Is Meaningless or that like we're saying love is really just the chemical whatever It is not just wrong, it is completely the opposite. Like when you go spiritual, when you go to the great mystics and the great thinkers what they say is the opposite right? They say everything is meaningful

25:52 The plant that you're looking at outside your window is conscious it's meaningful the sun is meaningful there's meaning everywhere in the universe everything has meaning right so its funny how they completely switched it so usually when we have that dialogue were like well i think there might be a little bit of mean and meet I don't know if, you know aren't dolphins smart? Of course this animal isn't smart. Of course the ant that's crawling on your desk isn't conscious. How do you know that?" given everything we know why would we assume the opposite and then everything is conscious everything in some way that we don't understand. Everything is conscious isn't that what the physics would suggest when they do the double slit experiment in me,

26:44 pop that little photon beam and the photon beam either comes through as a slit or away it seems that was the conclusion of the world's greatest thinkers and scientists in even Einstein had to kneel down and say yeah looks like neils bohr is right consciousness is everywhere was the conclusion will win that switch the paradigm where we would then start with the basis everything is meaningful than trying prove it the other way And, you know as far as the other point that you were making about evil and I think this is like again. I don't think I understood this at the beginning when we talk about evil what really talking about is asking the question Is there this extended consciousness realm?

27:34 where there's kinda some shady bad things going on. And we all understand that like you and I love San Diego, i love san diego You left Missouri, I left Illinois...you leave those kind of places, you come to san diego, you got the beach, you got the mountains this is an awesome place! Amen But you go the wrong turn on your way out of your house and you can find some stuff thats very very shady and its horrible What humanity does to each other what people do themselves you know abuse and addiction all those things can you get in that involve been there most of us. You get that crime sense you get that since something,

28:19 Wrong here there's something out of kilter and we even have the sense a lot of times that it's not exactly on this physical plane. Yes and that's the question but i think we have to be open to Is the Pfizer attorney who prosecuted that case, defended that case whatever you push that case in Africa when he actually went through those documents and saw what they did to those innocent kids unsuspecting no money. And he said well hell you know what I know this ain't right but i gotta make that mortgage payment and you know Susie wants a new

28:59 Corvette not well tell just go for it was that just. Somebody making a decision what you could be or is there something you keep alluding to is there something on another dimensional level that's right in their saying hey this is my chance now this is my time to shine Yes yes and it's not gonna label itself as evil either but i do think there are forces and they exist in the non physical and day, impart themselves on the physical by acting through some sort of vessel. That vessel is obviously a person usually, and I think oftentimes people of power. I've interviewed people who look at the world of magic and spirits, and some of them conclude that it seems like spirits are really attracted to power, and they're intelligent. They can tell where power is and where it isn't, and they kind of congregate around it because what they really want to do is exact influence. So they're going to people who can do that.

30:01 I just saw before we started a little video of you know elon musk's neural link and it's implanted in the brain of a monkey in this monkeys playing pong on the screen with justice mind, add a lot of people love elon musk he is a cool guy and they get into the whole razzle dazzle and allure of billionaire scientist who smokes weed on the joe rogan podcast and not a scientist but you know i'm billionaire philanthropists i guess if you even wanna call him that, what it's kinda messed up because if u didn't have all that razzle dazzle of elon musk if someone like say.

30:40 Sid from toy story head marched out a monkey and said hey i drilled into its brain and now im you know putting this computer in it we would look at like oh my god that is evil but if you just tell did a little bit like if u change the perception, doesn't seem that way another example is not trying to cut all these animal peter brand examples but i have a couple friends are lab techs in scientific laboratories n. There's been a couple of times where we've talked about the mice and i have killed my in the thousands like maybe tens of thousands, and i'm just like well i guess they're just nice but at the same time what is that doing your psyche it's kinda fucked up to say you just ended.

31:26 Tens of thousands of lives i mean it just seems like science has baked into this. This cost that like frost up figure out you gonna have to break a few eggs to make the omelette as they say no, you know that's such an excellent point and what can especially relate to identify with what you're saying is the questioning part of it because that's really where i'm at i don't know no i can look at both ways. We often talk about this empire as if its something that is not within us or we are within it you know we are co creators not only have our reality but of this machine that we've created

32:17 Has all these advancements and sometimes you know what the whole thing was laid out to you might say. Okay i guess go ahead and kill those mice i guess that is for the greater good in then i think there's other times it really is a great area there's other times where you say, you know i really think that lipstick can be tested just as effectively on window or something so What the question is saying you know if we're able to now at least start sending out some parameters that there is really this round perhaps, and this realm doesn't always have the best intentions for us humanity where are soul if we're able to restart that dialogue.

33:03 Maybe we could know a little bit closer to having more reasonable answers to those questions that we could at least feel good about and say i don't know if you made the best decision but i feel like we at least factored in more of the variables. Yes yes i agree and the theme of social engineering comes up a little bit in the book it weaves throughout and a lot of different ways the question how have we been conditioned, this might be aware when to bring out but i find that when i try to have these types of conversations with those same industry friends that are convinced there's no evil and medical science.

33:41 i bring up eugenics and how it pretty much always advance through something under the umbrella of science may say well you jenna is gone right out with the nazis right obviously they don't know a lot about project paperclip but the evidence they have cited to me for their confidence that you genesis gone, is things like well the ceo of pfizer as a black woman now. Or the head of the CDC is an Indian man. I don't really know who's who, but i was just surprised to see it reduced to that kind of thinking that the emphasis liberals have been conditioned to put on identity politics and race lately comes full circle into well these people can all be trusted now because they're people of color

34:23 Don't need stuff but it is just strange logic that this is a type of thinking was clearly engineered in liberal politics and evil creeps in from something in the extended consciousness round like you were saying who's the ceo of madonna is at a given time probably matters even less. But its not always gonna be obvious to the bad guys are they don't wear a badge they don't even think their bad usually it's complex and even though, To some of us it's hidden in plain sight, to a lot of other people the majority is still just very much hidden. Well you know I'd almost jump that two steps forward because i think the social engineering part of it is really difficult like he said at the beginning its really hard for a lot of people to wrap their head around that

35:09 Because it is paradigm shifting in a fundamental way when someone confronts you with the fact that, you've already lived through social engineering and then points out examples like i been driving the glorious example to death and people get tired of hearing it but you know go youtube listen to glorious diner in our own words say yeah was working for the c.i.a And then go just one step further and find out that no man she wasn't recruited by the cia when she was in the women's movement. She was in the frickin cia make a room assignment to go co-op the woman's movement,

35:49 And they say, okay well, geez you know and then you wrap your head around that and go okay but isn't it good that we had changes in there's more freedom for women? Wasn't it really screwed up. Shit! You think back women didn't have the vote until 1920 like how crazy is that?! But then you get your wits about you and you go but wait a minute Why is the CIA even interested in that? You know, take away the fact that they did it. Why are they interested in it? Well maybe its because this social engineering thing is always in play They see that as their job and when I say they im not talking about the CIA only Im talking about there is we all feel it you and I talk about it

36:37 Just ordinary stuff although ninety percent of the other people don't and that's it there is a day that thinks they are. Responsible for controlling everything in the do stuff like this on a regular basis because man they just think its their job but if i could i want to connect with evil thing, anyway that is really just come into focus for me recently and thats this idea that We all live rich spiritual lives. We do work in this larger consciousness that we're talking about and some of it isn't so great like we're talking about but some of it seems to be pretty amazing. It seems to give us you know love and compassion humility when we tune into it and were always in that soup choosing, letting someone in and letting someone out and roll doing it and that woman who got

37:37 You know, the fake promotion and all the free stock at Moderna that those criminals gave her. You know what? However good or however bad she is, she still wakes up at two o'clock in the morning with the same kind of spiritual questions that we all have you know? What is my soul? What will happen when I die? How can I be a better parent daughter whatever? And we're all in that. And I think that when we talk about anyone as if they're not part of that spiritual soup, of good and evil in this broader way that we're talking about it? I think we risk becoming just as bad as they are, you know what I mean? Yes! Well said well said

38:24 And to get back your book little bit i like the excerpts from your interview with redsberg and name i was not familiar with but you talk to my lot about a subject that you know well as you were studying before you got out of college i believe it at a phd level, add obviously a lot of things have changed since then in the realm of a i but talk to us about how. these themes of AI and evil actually relate to each other. Well I think Riz Virk is really an amazing guy, and i really enjoy talking to him there's been a couple other guys where I've kind of gone geeky a little bit because yeah was in the PhD program at the University Arizona

39:09 Wanting to do this thing and then i left in a start of the little company back when expert systems were kind of the rage you know an expert systems was this idea like one my clients is dupont you wanna go total dark. In dupont they had hundreds and hundreds of these, can you use chemical engineers some of the best in the world and they were sitting around going wow what if that guy leaves, what is that guy gets hit by a bus tomorrow don't we want to have some way of codifying. The genius that he's amassed and they thought that expert systems would be away to do it

39:53 An expert systems would be a way that you could kind of ask a series of questions and come up with the answer so if your trying to do some kind of complicated process to get plastic to do some weird things this guy might go through and asked this question after that question answered it this way they need to ask this question. So, that was the idea i didn't really work quite as well as they hoped But it was the idea and it was awesome for me. I was excited about it, and I got to do it for a number of years And that was the thing so when I talked to Riz Virk who is like oh but ten levels way Moonshot past Alex, and you know what what? I knew this guy is Super genius he talked him MIT game lab founder

40:47 Then an entrepreneur who did some amazing games made a ton of money came back and ran the game lab at MIT which is like they have a lab there to me in my tea is mt. So this guy i love that he has a foot in both worlds definitely as a foot in the tech world but it definitely also has a foot in the entrepreneurial real world make kinda stuff happen But he'll tell you straight up, and I think this is lost on a lot of people that AI is totally real. Anyone who thinks that isn't... It's not like going to happen it's like hello! It is happening! If you'd like to trade stock or even buy stock, you are competing with an AI robot all the time

41:39 And we all get it from Google search right i mean they couldn't possibly do all the manipulation they do that we see with google search. I mean that is being controlled by an AI intelligence so the real question mark you haven't listened to some amazing interviews where your kind of taking it to that next level of okay what happens So we gotta go to ways you can go kind of the little way in your kinda say well i don't believe a is happening now they told me we have flying cars by now and i dont see any cars flying around do you. Set you can kinda go that route,

42:23 Or you can kind of go the other extremist route and say, I bow down to you. Overlord! You will control everything. And i don't think either one of those are very productive what i think we need to do is again kind of apply the same kind of thinking we've been talking about in terms of the reality of consciousness, the reality of the extended realm The attempt that we've seen to have to want to engineer that cuz that seems to be a play and when i talk about some of the dark stuff in maybell talk but mk ultra, maybe talk about satanic ritual abuse because when you do your gonna find what they were trying to do was weaponize extended consciousness in very kind of way that

43:15 A computer programmer would be comfortable with in a way so is there that engineering part of this extended realm and. That's the kind of conversation i think we need to move into if you're really gonna get serious about understanding what this ai, Might mean but i'm super interested and i couldn't be in this more sincerely what your opinion is on that because i've listened to some of the interviews you've done and I think you're very much on the cutting edge of stitching some of those pieces together. So where are you currently on that? Well, you know I try to stay pretty neutral and just ask the questions but

43:59 i have a lot of concerns about and the reason i asked you that question was really just to lead into this more extreme aspect of it, Add in your book you do include some talk about aliens and spirits to end that is one of the exciting ideas that's been coming up around here is what if, what were being told is a is actually a channeled being living in the electromagnetic spectrum if a piece of cardboard from parker brothers can be used as a mode of contact with the spirit Maybe some of these computer systems are more like digital Ouija boards for beings outside a physical reality.

44:42 The fact that a lot of these people deny there is an extended consciousness means like don't never start asking that question but i think a lot of the guests i've interviewed myself and not the audience in your open to the idea that their are intelligences without bodies out there maybe they can attach to computer system and emulate type of intelligence just being themselves but The programmer thinks they created it but what they might have created is a vessel that something entered into. I think these are interesting questions, you were in the PhD program of AI do you think it's possible? Well you know I'd almost bring back to what I was alluding too before because I think we can again kind of stitch those two things together and maybe together we can see where we're at so I talked not too long ago to Whitley Streber who was very famous

45:38 Contactee I mean like contacte number one communion. I mean everyone an important important person in history part of his history that a lot of people don't know about and he hasn't talked to a lot about until lately is as a MK ultra victim, as a very young kid yeah the school and what i thought was interesting about that and that's what i was alluding to some just gonna make it a little bit more explicit so people know what they were doing is they're taking these kids eight or nine years old and they were locking them in fair day cages which prevents electromagnetic signals from coming in or out of the box so they doing science kind of control stuff. And then what you were doing is really evil satanic crap now killing little animals right in front of the kids terrorizing the kids

46:33 I don't know about sexual abuse because we can't report it in this case, but in other similar cases. It seems to be a play drugs can't reported in this case, but another case is that seems to be a play you know Whitley reports that the only way he believes he even survived that experience Is that he got very very sick and they had to go to hospital And was at the hospital for seven days and his mom came and visited him and they kind of put an end to this whole thing But he has connected with other kids from San Antonio of that time. That were in there and he said some of them never made it out or made it out as shells who they formerly were you know stayed in their house until they're fifty years old and then died a lonely death that was the kid right across the street from me but to finish this story what they were doing

47:29 Was they were trying to create disassociative identity disorder. And you've run into this again and again, I've heard you report it on THC so here is a technology if you will of saying if I can create this altered personality in if I can routinely do it Then maybe i can figure out a way to jump me into that extended realm so i connect that with what you're saying about the parker brothers we board which i think is awesome but now i think we're talking about exactly the same thing and you can imagine some.

48:12 Evil genius sydney gottlieb type of our version of joseph mingul a sitting there going let's see how this works and is this more effective at why wouldn't we attach, The latest and greatest technology the latest and greatest computer the latest and greatest whatever of course if you will go that far. If your lock eight year old kids in fair day cages and traumatize them in order to create a dissociative identity within them what wouldn't you do right right

48:52 Obviously there's some kind of relationship between trauma being terrorized extreme emotional states and. The dark forces on the other side weather you're opening up to them or whatever obviously this is the basis for stranger things the whole beginning part of it is her being traumatize in a lab so that she can be the one to make contact with this demonic entity on the other side That's a great point and the technology folds right into that seamlessly of course it would. And that's why i think we gotta come, stake our claim out there you and i do a little bit because I think we're kind of beating around the bush

49:36 What it seems like is emerging is a scenario where all these things are in some way different. But our linked together, you know wait that we don't fully understand but are kind of capitalizing on each other so no i don't think the whole thing reduces down to an AI silicone computer program that isn't my read of the data my read of the data is that Folds naturally into this if you are so inclined to have that kind of luciferian kind of know everything big brain i create better than the creator gods is that your energy

50:21 technology is going to fold seamlessly in, but so will a lot of other things. So will Golden Dawn and OTO and Chaos. A lot of things will fold into that same energy. And that doesn't mean we can paint it all with the brush and say that its all evil! It's all an energy out there that has Potentiality it just seems like that potentiality is pretty highly charged on the negative side Yes, I agree. It's like we're talking about a mindset that Extends beyond just MK ultra and satanic ritual abuse it's a similar mindset but it seems to be applied in Silicon Valley in certain ways these days hold but

51:10 if that is the plan if they're still trying to weaponize extended consciousness i think it's just a little harder, visualize or contextualized what that looks like in the air computer space other than some kind of digital board how else do you think it applies. I'm not so sure that's the right question Because the next level question that I'm getting at is and these are questions the keyword here cuz we don't know yeah, we should be lining up the PhD students in rather than sending them off doing nonsense counterproductive bullshit he should be trying to grapple with these fundamental questions but i tie it back to two things one

51:56 brawl eating rich spiritual life so don't point at elon musk and don't hate on elon musk even though neural link is luciferian black magic you know he's still trying to figure it all out as we all are but if that is true if we are leading rich spiritual lives then my read of the data. Is the light love is an infinite order of magnitude bigger, greater larger than this lower level stuff. And I know that's hard to kind of it sounds a little bit too good-to-be true and a little bit too Pollyanna but I feel like that's my read of the data that the best date i get for that is near death experience because there was a case where

52:48 you know, scientifically if you will medically we can say with confidence that the brain is now out of the equation. So why does the data look so different when we go down that path? That's a question that I ask. My conclusion is maybe what we see in this realm of what's being manifested as evil but isn't even fully evil like we said. You know the Luciferian vibe all evil, it's just a force. It's a force that can be applied in different ways but anyways I'm kind of rambling here are you picking up the thread i'm saying? Maybe the light is really what its all about and I don't mean that in just like what we want to hear things maybe it really is more about the light than it is about the dark

53:39 Right and it gets back to those people who say well, it's all just experience on some level. Yes I understand that this life this soul school the simulation if you want to say It would get boring really quick If we were all just eating grapes in a hammock being fanned by topless models We got to save some time for that but obviously in the grand scheme of it they would get pretty boring if there wasn't some villain in the game but when we die, and the game ends for us it's always love and light it seems to be it seems to be those are the reports from. The near death experiences that i've heard and a far out way anything negative other do seem to be a couple of negative ones but

54:24 i guess maybe that experience didn't fully play itself out and maybe they would have gotten to the light at the end of the tunnel with grandma saying it's all gonna be ok but yeah the data does seem to be that no matter what goes on in the end you're gonna be fine, and universe is a warm hug waiting for you to come into it with open arms i guess in the end. And if that doesn't sound like enough of a solve for the evil problem i think we're selling that short little bit. Because i think our experience everyone's experience is that bad evil, is much closer to us than that kind of abstract you know grandma's hug kinda thing

55:12 We all get the sense that we are in the middle of the soup all the time you know and whether it's the Racing thoughts in our head or whether it's the screaming at our loved one or weather it's a lot worse which all of us are probably engaged and things that are like that so i don't wanna give up quick shuffle out the door for evil because i think most of this. It's very very real in us and its very real in the people around us psychopathic

55:49 Situation that we've created cuz i was gonna say culture is going to say all those things can't fail me the fact that psychopaths run the world. Is inescapable you know so you gotta deal with that grandma's hug is nice but right now we have to do what that first part it's true but then, it just kinda comes back to if it is all experience and once we die we get the warm glowing love of the universe then doesn't have a role it has to play a role in the experience and maybe not maybe not in the way that.

56:26 you're talking about right there because my read of that data is that the most important part of the near-death experience and I really got this from a guy named Dr. Jeff Long, and i'm so excited because he's coming back on Skeptico in a couple weeks and there are so many next level things when I want to talk with this guy about but he is radiation oncologist which puts him in the death game all the time He's dealing with people who are dying of cancer And he's a full-time, highly regarded radiation oncologist. But he has written these bestselling books on near death experience and he has collected the largest database of near death experiences. A searchable database so you can go online and see... You can read and compare all these things we're saying kind of alluding to about grandma's hug and stuff like that? The biggest thing that comes out of that is no, you will be judged! Grandma's hug

57:26 Isn't what it's really about what is really about his judgment but you're the one doing judging so. When this really hit me i mean it took me a long time for me to process this but the way i related to his. What should i know that all along when i was little kid seven years old running down to do cheese, grocery store down on the corner back when they had those old-fashioned candy stores. And I was like, man, I don't have a nickel! I don't have a dime! I don't have a quarter! I'm gonna steal this candy and put it in my pocket so no one will notice!" I didn't feel like Jesus was judging me right then. I just felt internally in my gut...and sometimes I took the candy but sometimes I just felt like ma'am that wasn't the right thing to do

58:18 And that's what they're saying. And they're not saying it to like manipulate you, but that's what the near-death experiences are saying. So when you get to the other side, you just have compassion but at the same time you have this sense of judgment of this is what's weighing on your soul everything you've done is now weighing on your soul and that's not good or bad It's just the frickin way that it is! You know? Buck up deal with it Yes and To me That puts a different spin on everything that puts a different spin on the lab tech who killed ten thousand mice, a difference been on the attorney who said what the hell is my boss buys or pays my bills i don't care if it's right or wrong.

59:06 Imagine now you're in a realm where that becomes. Reeler than real your feeling that fully and it's not someone looking over your shoulder saying you bastard son of bitch now you will pay none of that is the ultimate compassion love but saying wow, greg you could have done better if you are better than that yeah i know its totally true it goes with science Leading us down this path of well, there is no God. There is no spirit There is no consciousness it also means there is no weighing of the heart ceremony No life review nothing you do matters There is no judgment and It was because of your interview or maybe interviews with dr Raymond Moody that I had him on recently and I definitely wanted to focus on that

59:59 life review aspect that so many people seem to report i felt the pain and i caused every single person from their perspective. Like that's interesting and that is what the data kinda says when it comes to what is life i really do conclude with that, that soul school hypothesis like if this is something in reincarnation is real well it seems to be a soul school and if that's true where are the tests will that's what evils role is is. The temptation

1:00:35 Like can you pass that test we finish your life it's past fail and you either go on to something else that we probably never will understand until we get there personally or, we fail me come back in repeat the process without evil being here without some temptation there is no test and its kinda like jordan peterson would say. you can't really be a good person until you know your capacity for evil we all know ignorant people we all no really simple minded nice guys that have never heard of flyer anything. It's like well have they really wrestled with the damage they could do is it a choice for that person,

1:01:16 because it seems like that person is just so simple minded there doing what they're told and following the teachers good lessons in leaving them an apple on the desk every friday, it's like. They're just a good little pet but no other people they deal with their shadow and they recognize oh my god i can really crush lives like i can do some real damage here and now i'm gonna choose to not do that in fact i'm gonna keep my shadow and check I'm going to integrate it into myself or something, but I'm going to overcome that. And if the universe is a soul school and I think that's the best hypothesis we got there have to be tests and maybe that's evils position in the game." And I know we're a little past time here. I hope that's okay. But as we're starting to wrap this up you know your show has been really on the money these days and your finger is on the pulse of what's happening in cutting edge science

1:02:10 i'm curious if there any new books in the scientific exploration of weird stuff areas that you think are must read the virus is taking up so much energy i haven't even really, go very deep into what else is happening out there but other people that are you think maybe good interviews for THC have a more science flavor that i should look into. Greg i wish you wouldn't ask that i'm in a total different thing then my headspace has been in the romans, i am deep deep deep into the romans into christianity into the early social engineering and i'm just fascinated with it joe atwell stuff well. Joe atwell is awesome but he kind of

1:02:57 He's kind of missed the first conspiracy, which now I've bounced it off of enough religious scholars and gotten that blank stare or that outright hostility that I feel very confident that the evidence is overwhelming. And it's true in the bad thing about skepticos sometimes—and I think it does frustrate people—is People have to endure a lot of interviews about evil, and it's like there is nothing else going on in the world right now because I'm interested in evil. Well they're kind of now having to endure a bunch of interviews about first century Roman history and Vespasian and Josephus but... It is a story that we all know part of the story but I think its a fundamental rewrite of how the game has always been played and maybe not always too far

1:03:48 Frickin guys were kind of playing this thing playing the social engineering game from the beginning and what are the implications for where we're at so i'm chewing through that. And then once I get that maybe I can return to science but right now, I haven't really. What will fair enough been just leave people with maybe a little bit of cliff notes to that what do you find so interesting about going back to the romans and the initial social engineering cuz I agree that it's there. We think of the Romans as a very bloodthirsty empire that definitely had an ironclad grip on their people, but what is mind-blowing about this? The Christian angle is still mind blowing. The fact that people are so mind controlled by Christianity when Christianity can be shown clearly to be a game you know and invention

1:04:52 This is not to say Christ consciousness, you know that gets into a whole different realm of what we're talking about. Consciousness and extended consciousness in historical Jesus who knows? But in terms of co-opting someone's spiritual beliefs jumping in there to be that intermediary to say oh no I can tell you how to experience your greater self. I think that's exactly what's in play and I think until we unravel It's kind of the mirror image of the science game right cuz in the science game it's hey you're meaningless. So just let me control stuff socialism communism you know it like the other thing that is been kinda for a lot of people have kinda woken up, is this idea that like hey I got a great idea here tell you what want to give me all your shit

1:05:46 all your material wealth and all your rights and privileges, and then I'll dole those back out to you in a way that I want. Right? So that's what they're saying with the plandemic right there saying yeah we'll just decide what you can do when you fly which is it. And people are like whoa why would i do that! Why would I give you everything so you can decide well that is essentially what communism is right and I'm not like The oligarchy and capitalism it's a disaster i get all that but. That just add a surface level is kind of insane what was equally insane, is religion is the idea that hey i had a genuine spiritual experience i died i felt would you call the weighing of my soul went through that data unchanged and then i come up with somebody cuz okay now

1:06:41 Here's how we're going to do this going forward. You're gonna come to church, you're gonna look through this book and I am gonna start convincing you that your genuine spiritual experience can only be interpreted in this way." And the fact that is the dominant paradigm throughout the world? Man! That's just...I still can't wrap my head around how that game has been fully played so that's what brings me back to the original rigging of that. And the original quote from Josephus, who was supposed to be the super Jew and then says hey all you Jewish people! You know what? We had it wrong really! Vespasian he's the Messiah forget it switch your religion and it doesn't work they don't totally switch over but the fact that they were playing at that level is just the beginning of unraveling how

1:07:39 we've all been played, you know. And whether you are Christian and I'm not Christian but you're brought up in a Christian church or if you're brought up in a Christian culture it weighs on you and I just think that's something that needs to be unraveled Well i agree with you it's a great case study and influence and propaganda and this idea that just because its popular doesn't mean its true these are religious gatekeepers that work for the empire to. Hand people spiritual cul-de-sac and i totally agree with you empires don't work so hard to spread ideas that,

1:08:18 Are gonna help them in the end so the fact that they went around and killed anyone who wouldn't comply with this model it's very telling because it did get us to where we are today where we don't think there is a god and we don't think there's a spirit world first you demonize it you know when you kill off anyone who has those ideas and then just ignore it and now people are not for having those kind of ideas in i think that's where we are now and work kinda coming out the other side of that, and i think the medical lens silver lining is gonna be very helpful to bring spirituality back into the culture thats my hope.

1:08:57 Yes you could probably do it in one or two shows. I don't think it would take me 20 or 30. Oh man, your just too complimentary! I am just a humble stoner college dropout but its always fun to talk to ya man. Yeah yeah yeah Your book is a lot of fun. I hope people do read it Skeptico is as entertaining as ever and I really look forward to following along As you parse through all this religion stuff, but remind people where they can get plugged into the stuff You're doing skeptic Oh just like you said so I think it's pretty easy to find It's got two K's in it and you know what? I'm gonna talk to you afterwards. I'd like to do

1:09:36 a book giveaway for THC. I want people to read the book, that's the main thing... No! That's not the main thing listen to Skeptico but if you're interested in the book i want to make the book available to you to read so let's see if we can make that happen cool i'm sure we can awesome well until next time man take care out there thanks so much Greg well this was a fun one and how could i not feel that way when Alex is so complimentary he makes it easy But this topic of why evil matters was a lot more interesting than I first thought it would be, and if it wasn't Alex, I might not have made time to read the book. Maybe because at first it seemed a bit obvious but when I heard him talk about this project on Rune Soup many moons ago when it wasn't 100% fleshed out yet

1:10:29 The wheels started turning, and the more I thought about it and worked through the book the more profound it seemed to be. As he said, It's subtle but still profound. I might have taken it for granted or overlooked some of the implications until I read through the book myself And really its a book about MKUltra and aliens and remote viewing in extended consciousness So its right up our alley regardless But this evil angle does highlight some nuances that often go unnoticed And wouldn't you know it, people? You don't even have to take my word for it because Alex has a special offer for THC listeners. If you made it all the way to the end here he's gonna make the e-book version free this Friday April 30th for the entire day and you guys are the only ones who know about that Sure some people might get lucky and happen to check out the book that day but this announcement is really just for you

1:11:26 So why not hop over to Amazon, download it and check it out for yourself. No coupon code needed or anything! Maybe you could give them a good review or shoot them a message that you appreciated and thought was a good show today but no strings attached just free Man it must be nice to sell off your tech company at the height of the boom right guys? I'm just kidding, but he put a lot of work into this project and writing the book is not easy. So to put it out for free for you guys makes it pretty clear that he cares a lot more about the subject matter than he does about the money and that's a beautiful thing. This Friday April 30th don't sleep on it! And as for evil itself what can I add? That hasn't been said today He spent extra 20 minutes with us which I thank him for making a dent in the short show last week already

1:12:18 But maybe it is all a spectrum on a higher level. Maybe we can act all enlightened and say, it's all experience man! And on your 10 millionth life maybe you do want to see what its like being born into poverty in a third world country or a psychopath with really deep pockets but we aren't on a higher level We're on this one and I think the reason there is evil in this world The reason we have villains is not just to acquiesce and say, well yeah the Catholic Church rapes kids what are you gonna do? Or corporations have always been evil can't change it. Sure child labor and dangerous mining operations in factories with suicide nets on the windows are part of the process that gets me my cell phone but how am I going get around town without Google Maps or know where the best burger is without Yelp

1:13:11 Yeah, government is a corrupt revolving door of bullshit. Might as well throw up our hands and learn to live with it I don't think those are the right attitudes If this is a learning or growth process of some kind if there is a purpose to life besides getting high and getting laid Well, I think it's to push back against these forces And I'm not saying storm the Capitol we don't fight violence with violence I think that's another lesson in this reality As Gordon has said sometimes you don't get to fight Soran and all that But you can push back living by higher principles, having some self-discipline. And of course things like making art and spreading love all the cheesy hippie stuff I think actually has merit

1:13:55 I understand the notion that events on this earthly plane might just be some kind of cosmic theater, i'm down with that. But when that perspective is generally promoted there's a subtext that I feel like pick up on sometimes then insinuates that since it's all theater just keep letting the kids in Africa starve don't worry so much about the abused or fixing a problem like human trafficking Because it's all part of the show, the range of experience. It's all just energy! It's all neutral on a higher level and let what happens happen Well I don't see it that way if this is all theater and we're just playing parts then you got to play the part of a person who pushes back Maybe its not just theater but it's a soul school one that doesn't want you to be apathetic towards evil

1:14:44 Spotting evil is supposed to be a call, to rise to the occasion. Not just shrug your shoulders and say see you on the astral plane where we'll all laugh and hug it out! It seems to me that the most legendarily bold and admirable people had this enlightened sense that the physical world is not the main game in town And that fearlessness allowed them to be proud of the way they stood up to evil or fought back against it I do my part, but how many of our careers and personal lives are aligned with the greater good? Even if it's just passive. Really, I'm just tubing down the lazy river of resistance and finding what I think is a perfect balance for myself between success and service. It works for me, and my guess is that there's a way for a lot of people to make some sort of pivot towards that. And if you're brave enough to try, well cheers to you! It's scary sometimes... That illusion is persistent isn't

1:15:41 The lesson is not to just realize it's all a game. The lesson is actually to step up to the plate and play your part in the game! Put that on a t-shirt, kids! But I think that's one of the main important layers to Alex's inquiry into evil This acceptance we see from a spiritual perspective with the Enlightened It's All Consciousness folks, the acceptance of it from the scientific perspective where it's just a chemical imbalance or sexual preference... ...or something that is just part of our animal instincts. Those socially engineered mindsets really do get us to accept a lot don't they?

1:16:19 I mean, does the whole thing really need to be more complicated than evil is a force in reality and we're supposed to resist that force? Or at least make an equal amount of good. Some people are too dumb to see evil as evil, and they got a lot of lessons to learn. And they'll be doing this soul cycle for a long time But if you see it... ...and you can't fight it with brute force You can counter something like Bayer Monsanto by growing your own food and encouraging your neighbors to do a food swap That's making your whole neighborhood healthier happier AND taking money out of the pockets of those same forces doing so much damage

1:16:58 Be a steward of the people in your small circle. This isn't new stuff, and you know what you need to do and if you're doing enough of it because you can feel it. As Alex said somewhere in there, You will be judged but you're the one doing the judging! This is probably why that life review happens and you experience a range of things from another viewpoint It just needs to be shown to you and the morality of it should be self-evident It feels like the universe saying, you could have done better. Like a loving parent would who might just be a little disappointed I think you know if you passed or failed. This world is so full of hierarchy it's hard to avoid that type of thinking, that some supreme being is going to be the judge jury and executioner but I think Alex is right in that we do the judging and we might be in a situation where we can't lie to ourselves at the end of the game We know how he felt, we know why we did what we didn this life

1:17:58 Can Elon Musk stand up straight at the Life Review and say, well I just wanted to explore the mind and push on the boundaries of reality? I'm not ashamed of that. Sorry about chipping all those pigs and monkeys along the way to digitizing the human brain! I guess only he can answer that... But i thought this was a good show Alex always flatters me a lot it's very kind of him but I do feel so ignorant and uneducated Maybe it's something like the difference between wisdom and knowledge, because you can read all the books and get the degrees go through the system and get a masters. You're gonna know a lot more about say, philology than me but if you don't factor in greed and corruption and corporate malfeasance and basically evil those blind spots almost make your whole body of knowledge moot

1:18:48 It's very much the same as what Alex always says about consciousness I say about conspiracy. Look, you're missing this giant piece that actually affects everything! To pretend it's not there is to miss the boat entirely. Structural engineers can do all the mental gymnastics and physics calculations they need to do to convince themselves that two planes took down the Twin Towers Do they know more about structural engineering and physics than i do? Of course But what's it all worth if they can't wrestle with the concept of a false flag and a coordination between government and media to convince the world otherwise? Maybe engineering knowledge at a PhD level isn't really what is needed to figure this one out.

1:19:33 Anyway, as for the plus show we talked a lot about the various angles and camps and alternative researchers on the circuit talking about COVID. And I got a bit spicy there too because he's not shy about calling out ideas he thinks are stupid or people he thinks are flat-out wrong Alex said several times that he's not afraid to be wrong, and he really isn't. It's something I admire about him He is excited by challenging ideas and having his own ideas challenged And he operates his show from that place. I say he does confrontational interviews But I don't even think that's the right word for it

1:20:12 He's just got his pride so well in check that he is totally okay with being wrong and assumed some of his guests would have their pride in check similarly. And when they don't, that's when we get some fireworks! Think about my only two shows that have had fireworks you know? Ten years and we got one Jan Irving and a Steven Greer notice anything similar about these guys personalities do they have their pride in check I'm not so sure And it got really good towards the end there because when it comes to Alex's background, I appreciate and respect his experiences in the business tech venture capital space. And I know he is open to some pretty radical things but I think you was kind of calling me out for being too trusting or be naive about this perspective that commercial corporate science is not allowing some of these Tesla Tech type people to break through

1:21:05 And I think that he thinks that i might not be giving enough attention to the fact that these guys can be deceptive and dishonest too. He's probably right, I think we all make mistakes but we do what we can right? I'm actually recording an episode with George Wiseman very soon about Browns Gas that I think is a great illustration of the point I was making to him- That some scientific discoveries and technologies are simply off limits in the western capitalist corporate dominated system There are some technological and scientific roads you cannot go down. Venture capital be damned! But I still think it's a lot of fun to talk about, and to put a finer point on the plus portion topics we discussed lessons from being in recovery Dr Tom Zinser and his work with the spiritual entity Jared plus people who heard that little section will probably pretty excited to know that dr tom zinzer is on the books for THC

1:22:07 We also talked Ted Bundy and the state of our counterculture, Alex's thoughts on the range of voices talking about COVID as I said. Dr Mary's monkey and the story of Alton Oshner. And Alex also had some harsh words for Nassim Haramein...and i'll leave it at that! A lot to like. Curious what you guys think of some of the bold things said in the second half actually Sign up for plus if you like what I do, spend your money on things You want to grow and stop spending them on things that are propping up the evil in our system I got a lot of great feedback from my post Andy Wakefield show rant I wasn't even all that comfortable with it But it did actually boost signups quite a bit which is really great to see thank you guys So I'll spare you this speech

1:22:58 But if you can buy plastic shit made by wage slaves in the third world without passing nearly as much judgment on that process as you should, then maybe THC Plus isn't where you should draw the line on who gets your support. Hey! I don't know...I'm just saying think about it! Nothing but love guys Let's be the change and all that. Make sure to pick up Alex's book for free this Friday on Amazon, check out Skeptico he does an awesome job! And I'll see you next time...I've done my part your move evil doers people screwers and agents of the big bad machine your fucking move

1:23:43 Out of some crazy garbage Called the blood Of the exploited working class They've overcome their shining Now we're calling your highness And the world screams Save me THC They destroyed The bonds of friendship and respect Between the only people left Who'd even look them and make a fortune? The same what they tortured And the world gave me THC Look for Jesus Well said Mr. Jesus Can tell me if it's true Our chance to be built, a little

1:25:11 of some crazy garbage called the blood of the exploited working class overcome their shinin' now we're calling your highness and the world screams save me THC, save me THC