Alex Trismegistus | Stolen History, The World’s Fairs, & The Last Reset

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01:37 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. From 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration we offer a- I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chats All right here we go Ironside Chatters doing the thing from sunny San Diego. I'm Greg Carlwood and we've all heard phrases like history is a lie agreed upon and history is written by the victors, but how often do we dig deeper to discover just what these lies are? And who's telling them? We see huge megalithic structures and ruins that would be hard to build today constructed with a precision that seems lost to time

02:28 We know of many out-of-place artifacts that suggest complex technology and eras we're told it couldn't exist in. And it's just a little suspicious just how much the official record is written by a handful approved primary sources, Vatican chroniclers and graduates the Royal Society Just considering the degree we've seen narratives shaped and events manipulated in our lifetimes can we really trust anything coming from the top down? In any era Add in cataclysms, calendar manipulations, lost empires, suppressed technologies, extinguished indigenous cultures book burnings, lost libraries the Inquisition and the big colonial steamroll. And who really knows how far off this tangled web of lies is from the actual truth?

03:09 Well, today's guest Alex also known as Trismegistus might have some idea as he is a key moderator contributor and researcher with StolenHistory.net one of the best websites I've found for exploring alternative history and trying to piece back more honest assessment where we've been The team at StolenHistory.net is also responsible for an amazing three-part stolen history documentary series you can find on their YouTube channel and I'm really looking forward to getting into this one! The timeline, truth seeker official narrative naysayer and serious sleuth of stolen history Alex Maman welcome to the higher side. I just have to take a moment of silence to let that all set in after

03:51 being on this show and hearing an intro to myself since I've been listening to you in 2015. So thank you for having me very grateful to be here, of course man too kind. And this is really going to be awesome. I loved the documentary and the random things I have found searching through the site amazing stuff for people who aren't as familiar give us a little overview of what the site is about what the team is seeking to accomplish and how you got involved all that good stuff Yes. So, this all started for me back in about 2017 I came across

04:29 It was a Reddit post, I think. And somebody posted a link to one of the original World's Fair threads on the original Stolen History. So there's actually a little bit of stolen history about Stolen History that I can get into it to begin with because it's kind of an interesting story Matter of fact, we've spoken before a year or two ago. I think I showed up on one of the Zoom chats and we talked about trying to get Corbin Dallas from the original website so there's an interesting story behind that too. Synchronicity! Yes, so the StolenHistory.org was actually the original iteration of this sort of alternative history forum

05:22 and it was started by a mysterious administrator, sole moderator named Corbin Dallas. And Corbin Dallas was also an extremely prolific poster of research and had tons and tons of this content interesting content related to alternative history synthesizing a lot of previous research along with their own research. I was fascinated by it, and wanted to dig into it a lot more so you know I lurked around and read about Tartaria and I read about mud floods and the world's fairs... It was certainly interesting and provocative and virtually unheard of at that point

06:10 you know, compared to now especially. So I dug into that for quite some time that site lasted until about 2020. I think matter of fact it was August of 2020 because it was a little while into the whole lockdown and COVID and one day out of the blue the site got taken down or with the site was taken down willingly It wasn't like shut down. The administrator, this Corbin Dallas took the site down himself redirected it to an archive page sites done just not accessible anymore so a few of us through back channels you know people that had been contributing to the site and had kind of gotten to know each other we had I think a discord server at the time

07:00 we scrambled and got this fire team together of people who could crawl through archives, see what we had, reach out to people who had their own backups of the site. And within a few weeks, we had uploaded not complete but partial website of all this information because you've gotta think... This is hundreds and hundreds of hours of research, replies and threads, photos videos. All this stuff that was just gone. A lot us were very attached to it. It formed a community around all this research and conversation so we took it upon ourselves to create StolenHistory.net

07:50 which has no association with the original Corbin Dallas and a staff member, there's one and only staff member of that website. A few months after we opened the website up that account reached out to us and offered to let us access the full archive so we were actually able to almost fully restore all the archived threads and replies and all those things and then of course branch off from that and create our own So, StolenHistory.net is kind of a weird stolen history version of another history forum that we've managed to preserve mostly and farther than that... We don't know who this Corbin Dallas is nobody that was on the website ever met the person in real life they publicly claimed that they were police officer in Seattle we don't know that for sure

08:44 But the point is that they produced a lot of this. He produced a lot of this original research that kind of got everything set off and that's how I originally became attracted to it was through these World's Fair threads, trying to discover exactly what was going on and still to this day you know? The more i look into it the more questions I have and the whole meta conversation around a lot of these topics has also gotten away from us there's a lot of misleading content and content without very much research to it that has kind of become popular. And it is unfortunate whether you believe the Earth is flat or round, we definitely won't get into that conversation here but I think we can all admit that regardless of how you believe that they are shaped

09:39 There are people out there that are trying to distort and make these arguments seem as ridiculous as possible in order to discredit actual research that's going on. And that is certainly an issue we face now with this type of research, which we didn't have back in 2017-2018 when all this stuff was new and still kind of getting, you know hashed out. It's interesting because a lot of these conversations have already been had years ago about what is real about the world's fairs? What can we verify were these all previously constructed structures or is there a mix so I find it part of my responsibility to not only do further research and try to push the ball forward but also to remind people that

10:31 This all has to be taken with a healthy dose of skepticism and personal verification and research. Yes, and a lot of what we find is anecdotal talking to people speaking the stuff that we're talking about in the stuff that were researching is not that far removed you may have a relative who knew someone who was around when these things were happening. I had a great, great aunt who apparently attended one of these World's Fairs and we have a photo of her in the city around that time frame you know? I can personally verify some of these things and a lot of what we're dealing with is stories like that if i have a uncle who works in construction and this is what they experienced and it's really

11:30 part of the fascination of having the forum and having it be open to everyone, to make an account. It's totally free to make an account on StolenHersey.net. We're value for value. Right? We don't charge anyone anything. You can make an account that costs nothing, and you have access to everything. You have access to our threads. You can comment. You can create your own threads You can upload resources to our library. We have a completely open and accessible library, and we're in the slow process of trying to figure out what a wiki would look like for a lot of this information so...we want to make all this available as open as possible because this research is relatively new and it requires a lot

12:18 boots on the ground. And a lot of people contributing to this because the story isn't over. No, it is not! And these conclusions haven't been reached yet. That's the crazy thing is this kind of research almost didn't exist until about 2016-2017 at least here in the Western world Right and that's a pretty good summary. Let's get into some of that actual research so people have little more context about what we're talking about because the website is great it is a forum with so many posts and layers, about things in the history that people seem to know about they just don't add up with what we're told as the official narrative

13:00 So obviously this is all ongoing research and it might be hard to do this but can we give people a broad sense of the timeline that's being suggested here because in the intro to the first part of the series, the question is asked What if we had a technologically advanced unified civilization less than 500 years ago? And that can sound pretty shocking compared to this conventional timeline of Stone Age, Bronze Age Egyptians Greeks Romans. What would you say are the broad strokes of what might be more accurate history because what you guys suggest is quite different I think you have to start with the physical evidence which is

13:44 aspect of it I find the most compelling because history can be written, books can be created but the structures that are left is the truest evidence we're going to find what we're looking at here. And it is quite difficult to do sometimes without actually having photographs to show the audience. But of course, you can Google any one of these cities that I'm referring to and you'll see what I'm talking about. The style that we're discussing by the mainstream is typically called Greco-Roman revival, Baroque Renaissance whatever you however you want to call large cathedrals

14:27 large structures built in the time frame they say is call it the 1500s, but more realistically from the mid 19th century all the way up until maybe 1910 1920. This quote unquote revival of architecture these stone and marble structures with this architectural style that is global. Now, this isn't something where it's exclusively a Western concept. This is something that you see all over the world. You see in Japan, you see South America, you see Australia and New Zealand many Asian countries China, Japan Russia...You'd be hard-pressed to find the style and engineering quality

15:22 It isn't out there. I mean, maybe Antarctica but there's a lot of ice between there and the bottom of land there so we'll see. But you take a look at this architecture these massive domes, these ornate structures and you wonder about who built them in. Of course, these structures are designed so beautifully in a way that you could spend your entire life dissecting the sacred geometry going on in a lot of these structures and not just churches homes, businesses, industrial structures, plants, factories. It didn't end all these structures were like this and then you have to think about logistics because you read the Wikipedia articles about them and they typically go like this well the original structure was built in 1845

16:20 They grew too large so they tore the whole thing down in 1875 then they built a new version of it that was much bigger and it burned down. In 1896 they rebuilt it in 1897, and stayed until about 1920 and then they tore it down and rebuilt again And now we have this structure We haven't you go through these Wikipedia articles on all these structures and you can do it in your own hometown I know hometown is too small. I see structures like this in towns of less than 10,000 people quite frequently so your own hometown probably is involved in that too so do some digging find out what the story is and how it matches up to mine because I've done this enough times to know this is the story that they give us then you go and you try to say all right sure they had all these different versions of construction well surely you can go through the photographic history and find

17:15 you know, the evidence of these being constructed. Certainly if it was built in the 1880s 1890's early 1900s we'd have construction photos of it so you go online and try to look around try to find some maybe a few construction photos with some scaffolding here and there and its 90% done except for the dome and you see this over and over again until you wonder where are the rest of the construction photos? And you keep digging and you keep digging, you try to find records of these structures when they were actually built. Evidence that these buildings were truly built in the time that they say they were not just in the decade but also in the amount of time that they took for example The city of Seattle after their fire in 1889 You can go look this up on Wikipedia

18:09 In a 18 month period in 1889, Seattle built 5,625 buildings. Seems like a lot! And they're not just like wooden shacks, log cabins you know? A couple of shanty towns We're talking massive hotels, we're talking five-six story buildings. We're talking stone and granite marble foundations everything beautiful windows imported pillars from Italy they are crazy and at the rate that they were building them you then have to wonder well okay how many people are living in this town? You go and look at populations of these cities and it doesn't really seem to support

18:57 these structures having been built in say a year, two years or even in the case of some cathedrals 75 years. And you keep expanding out because there's a lot of research that can be done on these structures. You can find out where were the local quarries that they were pulling stones from? Well, you find that there was one quarry in this town and then you look at all of the buildings that were said to have been built in this particular period of time using these particular quarries. And what you find is that unless there were tens of thousands of people working 24-7 in these quarries, there's absolutely no way that the resources of these areas—that are in a lot of cases take America for example, you know, the American West if they're lucky they're waiting days or weeks for trains to show up with supplies and the rate that these structures were going up—the logistics don't really match it

19:59 Right, it's starting to sound like people kind of just walked into a city that was already there but not populated. That seems to be the case in many circumstances I believe and I think what we're looking at nowadays is a lot of the sort of more ornate work—the exteriors of structures that still stand today if they said they were built before the 20th century—were remodels Many of them already stood, their foundations already stood. And you find this occasionally in small towns where they haven't really popularized their history. You'll find it on their buildings or they'll say we don't know how old this structure is but some Freemasons 150 years ago showed up and put some fun little turrets on it and some gargoyles and a new coat of paint

21:00 Wikipedia says that they're the ones who designed the structure, and that's all there is to it. And that's the end of the story." And I say, That's not the end of the story. The mainstream explanations as to how these huge cities got here if you look at the technology that they had. In many cases, you'd be surprised to find that a lot of the technology in the relatively recent past was quite good and more impressive than you'd imagine especially for the early 1800s but again, the question remains where did all this stuff come from? Why did we have this massive explosion of industry, technology

21:51 Resources to be able to create the bones of the structures we stand in today. I just don't think it adds up right? I'm with you and it seems like the main thing people on this site focus on or agree on is that there seems to have been some kind of cataclysm or series of cataclysms where it's suggested that in the chaos a power vacuum was created and a parasitic elite seized the opportunity and colonization, the Inquisition, and imperialism all spawned out of this cabal methodically sectioning out the world and sending people to different parts and steamrolling everything.

22:35 We know that a lot of the European royal families were connected as one big family. That's even just conventional history, World War I is often referred to as essentially a family squabble. We know the King of Great Britain and the Russian czar were cousins at a time it wouldn't be that hard to believe that there was some sort of coordination for this extended family to seize leadership roles from across most of Europe and Russia, where you would expect native families of a local race or heritage to be in charge. To be the king and queen have a certain area. So it's odd because where did this one network of people emerge from? To get control of all these different places

23:18 I guess, what more can be said about this cataclysm that's suggested and the cabal that sprung out of it? The thing I go back to is take a look at the amount of wars we've had in history and why the wars are so heavily focused on. When you're in history class ... Most people look back on their history lessons in school it's pretty much going from war to war. And what you're learning is names of generals, names of battles, how many people died? What kind of treaties were passed and you don't really focus on much else. I think that's a really clever way of getting people to completely miss the point of history which is how these conflicts got started and why these conflicts got started

24:18 I personally consider, and we're going with American history just for the sake of it. That's what I've spent the most time looking into if you look into American history you have a period of time pretty much consistently between the early 1800s call it 1811 through 1945 where you have this extraordinary mass culling of people between the War of 1812, the Civil War leading up into World War I and II. This is a massive die-off of able bodied men that were thrown into what are effectively meat grinders and we don't really know a whole lot about what was taken in the fog of that war and who would want to see this put through so imagine you had

25:25 a native population of Americans that were sufficiently advanced in many ways, at least up till those types of standards. Not spaceships or anything like that but reasonable quality of life they had machines and way to power themselves and some other technology that I think we don't quite understand anymore but misinterpret as architectural flourish on structures. And we can certainly get into that, but you have these cities with these structures and you have the unfortunate task of having to explain why many of these structures have buried first floors not all of them but enough of them to where you may have to in the future address those issues

26:24 And it may not be so easy to do the more people are around to talk about it. So if you were a member of one of these cabals, whether it's the oil oligarchs or the Vatican with their manufactured history in order to justify their reign I think the most important thing for them to do is to control history and try to make sure there are as few people left to talk about the conflicts that they made them go into, if possible. And if they manage to survive, they're so screwed up by what they saw, they'll never talk to anyone about it." Wow man! I love this and on the subject of mass culling events

27:14 Another thread I found really interesting was about insane asylums. The narrator of the documentary asks, why were these mental hospitals established in the early 1900s where the mentally ill and political dissidents ding-ding-ding were imprisoned? And why do these asylums have the same architecture as the old world and that was a mind blower for me firstly. Why would these buildings be designed kind of like palaces you think they look more like a hospital or prison and We also know they definitely exiled people in these places, maybe people who knew too much or wouldn't go along. And conveniently most of these buildings have been demolished today so dicey-dicey! Yeah I actually have a personal connection to that. I have two great uncles

28:11 who spent three decades of their lives in one of those facilities when they were kids. Damn! And again, we're talking about family anecdotes here there was apparently a man in that town who was molesting children...a wealthy man and my great uncle apparently didn't keep his mouth shut and ended up in one of those and spent 30 years there was never the same person. I mean, I met him...I did actually meet him in real life he was alive when i was a kid and they both needed care their entire lives

28:57 Hmm so sad man and oddly I also had an uncle one who died before I was born but he was in the Navy And then somehow got entrapped by a police officer on a fishing trip or something and outed his gay. And I guess in certain places In the early 80's that was enough to send you to one of these facilities, and he got electroshock therapy And I'm sure a ton of drugs and apparently was never the same either and ended up committing suicide once He did get out When you just do a little digging and ask the people in your family, a generation or two older these stories do come out. The evil empire has done a lot of damage and to suggest the reset might have only been like 500 years ago well we probably do have some echoes and whispers of information that could be very useful for this overall study obviously it wouldn't be in the official history but some of these stories do survive through family tales

29:51 Yes, I think they definitely do and i think the asylums were a way of keeping their. They had that year in these communities and they were hearing what these people are discussing and you know potentially pulling them out of society if they were catching on to things a little too quick cuz this was again keep in mind this period of time would have been when they were setting up shop you know that manifest destiny american history the expansion west, all of the construction that was happening in the 1920s. These people were potentially around to see some of this stuff if you happen to know that the local Freemason in town was constructing a remodel of 400 year old building or whoever they may not have cared any mind as how old these structures were originally when they started building over them

30:52 you know, were you at risk? Would you end up in asylum?" I mean, you go through and look at some of these reasons that people were committing to asylums. And it was masturbating too much or being a distempered woman. It's just like any old thing—you could basically make the justification that these people needed to go in and have the leftovers after these wars who are still maybe going around that remember these things and could potentially challenge them in the future.

31:36 If this sounds far-fetched, give me an example of someone who was treated or cured and came out better because I've never heard of that in my life. There are more brain scrambling facilities when it comes to the pharmaceuticals that are shoved down your throat, the electroshock therapy, the horrible conditions. I never heard anybody come out of there and be like well thank God for that asylum because they had the best medicine and they really fixed me. That's not the story we're told or ever hear No, I would compare them more to almost like internment camps and re-education centers. And expanding out into the World's Fairs which were also happening around this time that's part of the same program. It's kind of like the good cop bad cop of the re-education and reset of this civilization is if you don't follow the program you may end up in one these asylums but if you are with a program you get to go enjoy these

32:37 absolutely stunning events and see this beautiful technology and go an experience all the new things these people have to offer you. Yes, I'm so glad you... All funded by the oil oligarchs! Indeed indeed And i'm so glad you let us there because i'm looking at the clock and i know that The World's Fair is a huge part of this-I mean world fairs but part three Is my favorite part of the documentary series a two hour exploration of the world's fairs that we've all heard of and I want to make sure we got this in the first hour.

33:13 I like that you have this personal connection to the 1904 Buffalo Expedition because several of the other ones covered are areas that i'm very familiar with. San Diego, St Louis and Chicago but talk to us about the series of world fairs from 1850-ish to the early 1900's and what their suggested purpose in all this was in the alternative paradigm compared to just this big celebration of culture and technology? The World's Fair idea started in London, in 1850. That is if you've ever seen the Crystal Palace in London that is what that structure was built for a lot of the infrastructure Is gone now Of course as it is in most cities that have hosted world's fairs

34:07 But they were essentially like the 19th century equivalent of six flags mixed with a tech expo, but it was all built to be temporary and was torn down. Every single one of these were temporary structures and temporary events And you go and you look at photos of these ones, and we can use the Buffalo one as an example just because it is one of the most impressive. And the one I'm the most attached to from a personal level, you go and see that it took 18 months for them to construct the fairgrounds for the 1904 Buffalo Expo. But you look at these massive buildings again in the same style of architecture this grand

35:04 sweeping, technically advanced statues everywhere. They built canals and all kinds of infrastructure and you look at it and see they built in 18 months with steel girders and some plaster made from horse hair because it's a little stronger and a lot of wood. A lot of wood! An ungodly amount of wood. So much wood that Most forests in the United States are no more than about 150 to 200 years old. And when you look at the expos and how much they would have required in order to build those, never mind all of the other permanent structures

35:51 you start to get an idea of this logistics problem that I'm talking about. And then when you cut down all these trees, what happens? Oh the soil may cause flooding which may cause a lot of issues with the structures anyway. The World's Fairs were the most attended events on the planet for considerable period of time population counts up into the millions and millions of visits So it took 18 months to build these massive fairgrounds. They were open from about eight months, eight nine months and they tore it all down again what are the logistics of building and tearing down six flags in every city a major city in the country? It would be an extraordinary undertaking from a monetary engineering standpoint and that's not even getting into the good stuff

36:50 which is alongside all of those temporary structures, there's a curious amount of permanent structures they built right alongside it. So in the case of Buffalo you can still go visit one of those buildings nowadays I think it's the Natural History Museum? I took a field trip there when I was young and grew up in that area So, you know I took a field trip there as a kid. It's a nice building, nice big marble pillars and all that fun stuff but it is it's marble and stone, and they apparently built that structure along with all the other temporary structures in that same 18 month window

37:30 St. Louis is the same thing, I believe there's still a gate or something? I think there's a park in St. Louis that still has a lot of the... A few things left. I don't know if you're familiar with it or not. Yeah! I am actually and same in San Diego so in St. Louis its Forest Park It's the biggest Area of nature within the city of saint louis and in san diego it's bell boa park which is again a giant park both of these parks are on the edge of the city zoo. And it's just strange cuz if anyone were to google, San Diego Balboa Park, you will see these structures that are insanely detailed and I guess i had always heard or thought that these were buildings that the Spaniards built when they took over the area because there's so many mission buildings around but I never knew they were apparently built for The World's Fair and meant to be temporary because they're certainly not temporary. And the documentary talks about

38:31 A lot of public outcry in san diego specifically that was like no this stuff is too nice you're not tearing it down and they're like well it's supposed to be temporary we don't care you're not tearing it down and surprise surprise it still stands today so. It is like the good cop bad cop analogy that you mentioned because you can use wars and fires to take out a lot of these structures, just destroy a city or you can pretend to have a giant event and then deconstruct the city without the war part. And the documentary talks about the financing of these world fairs, as you mentioned always robber baron funded and they always came at a massive loss millions of dollars even in those days hundreds of millions in some cases the deconstruction

39:22 in being the most costly part. And when the thing was built, they didn't want to tear it down but they were contractually obligated and the whole thing doesn't even make economic sense." So for these cutthroat robber barons who are titans of industry and masters of profiting off things There seem to be a different agenda here because they were totally cool with it all being taken down and it's just the weirdest thing usually when people talk about the world's fairs they talk about ether based technologies like. these images of people fighting, dueling with like light swords. And we hear about Tesla which of course was the Buffalo one and all these images of buildings that are lighting up and so it seems like they serve multiple purposes maybe they were showing people things they were about to put back in the box also sorry going on a bit of a rant here but

40:20 Another aspect I thought was interesting is they're showing these new technologies with the inventors, with the new patent system. So if there was an old connected world of sharing ideas and maximizing abundance this was the new world showing you no this was invented by this guy he owns it you can buy it from him But all these things are based on limited resources now, and this is how we're doing things from here on out. Is that kind of the gist? Yeah you nailed it! The introduction of the patent system, the documentation of all these technologies and then the weird alchemical inverted trick of utilizing the old world technology to

41:13 build and power the fares while also simultaneously introducing the fossil fuel, consumption and limited resource technology at the same time. I think that's really what bothers me most about all of it is you look for example most people don't know because it's very difficult to find photos of it. But the Eiffel Tower originally had a massive spotlight on top of it, this big old thing almost like an eye of Sauron on top of it and you can find some photos because the Eiffel Tower was built for a World's Fair by the way. And that's not the only tower that's an Eiffel Tower type structure

42:03 in Europe, there's actually at least dozens more. Not quite as large as the Eiffel Tower but certainly as impressive and strange from an artistic standpoint and gets more into a potential remnant of or homage to earlier ethereal technology So you have mercury, arc lamps and neon gas xenon gas that they were putting in these light bulbs to power a lot of the technology that was at the fair. And sure Tesla was there and sure Tesla had his inventions and his technology but we all know what happened to Tesla We don't necessarily need to rehash what happened to him right? And how they were able to control

42:58 Ideas about technology so you have these tricks being played on these people at the same time you're introducing them to all of the new things that your gonna love about this society. I want my favorite ones is there's one in Seattle believe it was early 1909 maybe and they have a baby incubator exhibit like a little house that was set up and all these weird, little premature babies in these incubators showing them how to how these incubators are going to save these babies lives. It's just it's very weird scene and not really something that

43:43 this idea, anyone's idea of a fun time I guess? I don't know. If I'm a family in the 1900s and I'm trying to have fun with my kids and go around and see all the fun stuff you know I don't know about seeing babies at incubators." And then of course the question is raised was there a repopulation involving children repopulating many of these restructured cities in order to control the narratives these people how history really is. Yeah, that kind of touches on the orphan trains thing which has an official story but it's come up in the context of alternative history a lot. Why would European families put thousands? I don't even know tens of thousands hundreds of thousands of kids on trains and send them out or send them over to the new world alone like what was going on that was so bad that you'd want to get rid of your kid

44:42 It just doesn't add up in a lot of different ways. But yeah, you're right. Repopulating it seems like... Yeah I think the official or Wikipedia number you'll get on that is between 1850 and 1930 was like a quarter million children which is even more so than that. Again, I might have a connection to something like this. I have a great-grandfather who All we knew about him was he was raised on a reservation. He wasn't Native American, but he was raised on a reservation and I challenge people to go through their family history as much as you can and ask yourself this question

45:26 If you had 250,000 children over the course of this period of time getting put on trains and shipped off to the Midwest where they would get off the train. You know let's say it is a 6-8 10 year old kid. You get off this train and there is a farmer waiting at that other end of that train station and takes you along and you get this job in this farm or your working in factory in St Louis or whatever And you get adopted by these families, potentially. Or you find someone and they adopt you... How much of your bloodline is actually your bloodline? How much can you actually verify that the people that were in your family tree at that time wasn't somebody who was coming from one of these orphaned children and were they only ever coming from England? Where else were they getting these children

46:21 were they native children? Were they people that they pushed out, were they the families of people that had cleared these cities out and needed them to go work somewhere else. I mean it's overwhelming when you try to actually hold any kind of rational logic to the mainstream stories that were presented about this, you know very not that far long ago period of time and not even that long of a period of time. It's like less than 100 years you have all these things happening and it's so hard to make sense of it because it's... The information that is given on a piece of paper or written in a book is so tenuous that all you really have left is the stories of people

47:14 that you've met or spoken to and the places that you've been, and the things that you've seen because I don't see history actually getting sorted out any other way. I don't think we're going to find a magic bullet book that's going to scroll or papyrus or whatever that's just gonna solve it. But i think that's nonsense that these museum directors invent in order to justify tourism. Egypt is sad but great example of that. In fact, recently Turkey just announced that they found an underground city that could hold like it was they estimate 60 to 70 thousand people lived in this quote-unquote underground city in Turkey and they say it was for Christians to escape religious persecution and of course coming from a museum director and then what you find out is all these different historical

48:16 fields were all invented in this period of time. Isn't it weird that Egyptology almost does not exist at all until Napoleon shows up in Egypt? Yes, man! Lots of questions and we could just do this all day on the various threads that you guys have covered I wanted to look a bit deeper at Chicago because it's mentioned that Chicago was called Chalaga on several older maps and that fits with this idea that there was some old world region with structures remaining that was well known and then we have this crazy Chicago fire of 1871 that destroyed thousands of buildings they say. That alone is kind of suspicious, but then the official story for the Chicago fire is that a cow knocked over a lantern sounds a lot like a guy ate a bat at a wet market Yep And then you bring in a World's Fair in 1893 say you built their last remaining structures and take them down when it's done

49:18 It's wild, man. Yeah and I think Reynold Carlson has talked about it but have you ever heard of the Peshtigo fire that happened the same day as the Chicago fire? I don't think so So the same day of the Chicago Fire in 1971 Peshtigo Wisconsin is not that far away from Chicago either i think its on the other side of the lake I believe I could be wrong Not that far away though Same Day maybe an hour or two away car ride, and you have this account from I think it was a preacher reverend or somebody from the town. We have this journal allegedly describing his experience of this event, and he's not just talking about a fire. He is mentioning things like noxious fumes. He's mentioning giant black balloon hovering above the city. It reads like War Of The Worlds

50:15 He was making observations like people were dead on the ground and they weren't burnt, but their pocket watches were melted. And things that may suggest evidence of some sort of electromagnetic event versus some kind of actual just straight up fire. So this happens the same day not that far away from the city of Chicago and there's a fire. You look at photos of the Chicago Fire and it doesn't look like a fire. As matter of fact, Chicago after that fire looks more like the World Trade Centers after 9-11. They're not destroyed by fire they're shaken apart they've been disintegrated damn it looks like complete and utter chaos now yes a lot of these structures have wooden roofs and wooden roofs do burn quite well but

51:21 consider the stuff that did survive these fires and consider the stuff that didn't, and you won't find much rhyme or reason to it. They say that it's mostly wooden structures that burned in these fires but again if you look at photos of Chicago before the fire... It doesn't look like they're wooden structures! That's just something people say because they have to because they can't explain it any other way there is no way to look at those and furthermore Chicago isn't the only one If you just look up great fires, you'll probably find that almost every major city and minor city. You've been in has had a giant fire in this period of time between the late 1800s and early 1900s so like you said there's a lot of ways you can go about resetting the historical timeline, you can do it the nice way

52:17 trick the people left into a completely new paradigm and make it seem like The next great thing which you know to be fair A lot of them were rewarded quite nicely after World War two for sticking around. A lot of people didn't have a whole lot of incentive after World War two, to say and remember these things but the other way is You can subjugate people, you can put them in asylums. You can create wars for them to go die in and all we have left in a lot of these cases are photos and what do the photos say? Photos don't say that this was a fire the photos of Baltimore, photos of Seattle, photos of San Francisco after these fires and earthquakes are not indicative of natural cataclysm there's something else going on here

53:17 And whether it was a relatively recent cataclysm or some sort of attack, it's hard to say. And whether it was world-consuming and happened all at once or happened in multiple instances in certain situations over long period time, that's hard to say but we're not being told the whole story We need to get out into our own backyards and we need to do the research for ourselves. I live in a town where i have a lot of access to historical information, whether it's true or not is not important. But the important thing is that you're doing the work for yourself to try to see how much of history you can verify for yourself go find a building that they say was built in the 1870s and go try to find out who the architect is and go see if there's

54:14 Maps from that period of time that match up to the photos where they say it was and what it actually looked like And then go try to you know, try to verify as much of this as you can and I promise you you're going to hit the same roadblocks as me But that's not the point. The point is is that this is on us to figure out nobody is gonna write The next great book on the real history of the world I certainly don't want to do that. And anyone who's telling you that they want to, you should probably stay away from because this is just messy." Yes and it is crazy just how many fires there have been! I've seen lists that you guys have talked about on the website way more than I would have thought or realized and then things like The Vatican Library moving three times of course we know The Library of Alexandria was destroyed but

55:11 But fires, I mean they just seem to constantly happen. And before we run out of time, I just wanted to ask you because I know you've seen a ton of stuff as a moderator and contributor to the StolenHistory.net forum. Are there any recent topics or side threads that have piqued your interest that are not covered in the films? That we could throw in here is just a nice little bit of dessert Yeah, I call this my anecdotal evidence of a reset or not anecdotal but a supplemental piece of evidence to some sort of large scale recent cataclysm in the United States in particular. I like it! And that's the passenger pigeon. It was gonna sound weird but go with me here. Okay So until 1900, the passenger pigeon

56:13 was the most populous bird in North America. And that doesn't seem like that interesting of a fact until I tell you that one of these flocks of passenger pigeons could be in the estimated range of 3 billion to 5 billion at a time. Huh, what the hell? Apparently before 1900 One out of every four birds in North America was a passenger pigeon. And they've been described by Autobahn, and you can go and find information about this passenger pigeon and how insane these flocks of birds were. Autobahn was saying that he was trying to measure a flock one time, and he roughly measured it at a column of one mile in breadth

57:14 passing over him uninterrupted for three hours, leading him to conclude that it was about 180 square miles of pigeon which is approximately 1 billion in a flock. And these things would completely dominate the sky but by 1900 they weren't just depopulated there were museums that were paying hundreds of dollars in the early 1900s just to get a dead passenger pigeon. By 1900, every single passenger pigeon on the planet was eliminated extinct species completely in less than 50 years because Audubon was talking about them at the 1850's or 1830's like these flocks are being described in books in mid-late 1800s

58:16 So, where do they go. What happened to them apparently according to the New York Times or whatever the mainstream we ate them all. We ate every single pigeon. Apparently we would stay out in the backyard with these giant elephant guns and it was like a family ordeal, everyone would grab like maybe a little Billy would grab a rock sling and you know Paul will get the elephant gun and they just go out on their patio and they just fire into these flocks of birds and they would grab 30 or 40 of them make a pigeon pie Doesn't add up to me. You, the American consumption of chickens in the modern day doesn't even compare to the amount of consumption of passenger pigeons that have been required to completely eliminate them and furthermore wouldn't we find like tens of canned pigeon everywhere? Wouldn't every recipe book before 1900 have

59:15 500 different ways of preparing pigeon. I mean, these aren't huge birds right probably need 30 of them to make a pie So where did this go and same thing with the buffalo? Did we really just point rifles out the side of trains and managed to almost completely eliminate The Buffalo population Where's the evidence yeah Wow. So in my opinion, I think we have evidence like this or if you just read between the lines on some of this stuff there's so much that just makes absolutely no sense and is it related to the concept of a reset? The argument certainly could be made is it at the very least almost like a Mandela effect thing in history yeah I think so because it doesn't add up

1:00:13 You can't do that. It wouldn't be possible, you'd need the military pointing their guns at the sky for hours and hours at a time to eliminate a flock of a billion birds but... A large electromagnetic pulse? That could maybe take out a billion birds. Maybe? Volcanic eruption could maybe take out a billion birds So how recent was this? Wow yes I'm glad i asked! That is a great little thread for people to ponder as we wrap this thing up, but I really love it. The forum is amazing! I could probably mine all sorts of great interviews from people who have written some incredible long detailed posts of things that i've never really even considered It's a shame that you're having to police it as a moderator. I know that can be frustrating but

1:01:05 There are some real gems in there and a higher percentage of gems to noise in terms of other places you could be on the internet. So just, I'm really glad we can highlight this. Yeah. And just to clarify that too, We not only have or I guess what makes us really unique is that we have a lot of people from different parts of the world contributing through things like modern translators, Yandex translator Google translate whatever has become an invaluable resource to the point where people from Russia and Japan. And eastern european countries can come together and actually collaborate on some of this research in you know get to know each other and it's very interesting is certainly a new experience for me as seeing

1:01:56 this kind of evolution of like a global research network and a global historic timeline that's being measured against different cultures information. It's really fascinating time to be alive and to be part of you know trying to rebuild a historical narrative from scratch because that's essentially what has to happen at this point, it has to be done from scratch who else is going to do it? It's not going to be those dudes in the museums No, it won't. And another great point is that it is a worldwide community really and the documentaries I keep referring to they started in German and now there are even other languages and I guess I would ask are there any plans for more films or anything else we should quote-unquote promote so to speak before we call it in? Yeah, so tragically

1:02:49 The video editor of the documentary series passed away a few months ago, which sending good vibes out to Bart and his family. That was really a tough thing to go through for all of us you know we certainly felt it and our hearts go out him in this family but we haven't stopped I guess i would say You know we're always trying to think the next thing to do. And the author of the documentary series certainly has a lot more, again... The resources here are so vast we could be making documentaries for the rest of our lives and never really scratch the surface and it's all been done with volunteers. We're not a shady cabal of people posing as one person unfortunately that seems to me

1:03:41 potentially the case in a lot of situations when it comes to this kind of content. We base a lot of our work from people who are volunteering their time, I volunteer my time on the website you know the people who edited those videos and provided the narration and everyone involved with the site It's all been because we love this stuff and we're all volunteering. So I mean, I'm not trying to say there's an open casting call for another video editor or anything like that but at the same time We will continue to produce content because we know how important the visual medium is especially with this type of research And we know that people don't have the time anymore to sift through

1:04:23 hundreds and hundreds of pages of replies and threads and research is becoming too hard to ignore so the more people that get involved in more people volunteer. More people join up and just kinda hang out you know we're talking about doing a podcast Well, we have done a podcast in the past. We kind of want to reframe it and restructure it more like a higher side chats if you will potentially getting some more people to deep dive into some of the research they've done on the site. So working on stuff like that, we're trying to work on taking some of the best-of posts and creating video content around that as well

1:05:00 So we're working on stuff, you know obviously we have a YouTube channel so anything that we're going to do is not going to be available there or available directly on the website. And yeah, like I said join up! The only thing we do have that's not value for value is one-time donation that gets you access to an archived version of the website because another important thing Not only making sure we're researching stolen history, but making sure our stolen history doesn't become stolen history again. Right? So having redundant copies accessible to people who want to ensure that this stuff is being Saved into the future if something ever happens is super important Especially with the library that were also amassing right now again free books and download lots of great stuff in there so yeah I mean it's

1:05:50 It's a great place to be if you want to learn and you're willing to participate or just lurk. I mean it doesn't really matter to us but the important thing is we're all doing this together and you showing up is enough Hell yeah. Yeah, there's so much great stuff! I didn't even ask you about breeding humans or Antarctica or the giants or the psychological elements of all this and how amnesia is a really great defense mechanism for humanity maybe on a collective scale as well? So much great stuff it's amazing project... And we did get into ancient cloning Unfortunately, that's one of my favorite ones. We're going to have to save ancient cloning or people can just do a search for ancient cloning and go straight to the source but you're running... You know, you're part of an amazing team running an amazing project in a fascinating little corner of the internet man and the quality is high I hope more people find themselves checking it out! And this has been a lot of fun thanks for taking the time and take care thank you

1:06:51 Yes guys, what a great interview. Alex is really well versed in this stolen history material and I just love this stuff more than a lot of subjects we end up covering It's one of the few pieces of the conspiracy pie that i don't think is completely over saturated and I haven't heard this stuff before many places so it feels pretty fresh And how funny that Alex did actually call in back when we did the joint sessions live via zoom. When he mentioned trying to get Corbin Dallas on the show, it did jog my memory and that is something I'd still like to do but it does seem a bit lofty but let's put out there in the universe maybe you will be open to it even more synchronistic is that in the last joint session episode somebody asked about the world's fairs

1:07:45 And I said, yeah i'm interested in that too but the book hasn't really been written. But now I would say that this three-part documentary series is about as good as anyone could ask for on the subject and before we go too far I have to also let you guys know that just in the time since recording this with Alex The three part Stolen History Documentary Series has been removed from YouTube and the channel completely deleted I would hate to put the spotlight on this series and then direct everyone to the wrong place, but they do have it on Odyssey as well. The link is going to be right there in the show notes or you can probably find it via search but you're gonna want to go to Odyssey instead of YouTube

1:08:30 And for people who don't really use the Odyssey video platform, it is spelled a little weird. It's O-D-Y S-E-E So see like seen stuff odyssey dot com You could also follow the Hiresite Chats while you're at it We are on there I've got the whole archive up there but no one really pays much attention to us in that place and thats totally fine but our like 500 followers looks a little pathetic so you know represent. But really unfortunate timing on this removal apparently it's due to copyright strikes all hitting them at the same time and then the whole channel was taken down over just a couple of videos when they really have dozens and dozens up there, and it's so ironic because I just got the THC channel back after two strikes put me in like a 90 day timeout or something like that

1:09:25 but waking up to a wiped channel with no previous strikes is odd, especially about this material. It's not like they're going hard on the Ukraine thing or going hard on COVID I wouldn't immediately think that this is all that hot of a topic but it is what it is Alex also said they planned to recut the documentaries without the audio and visuals that triggered the strikes But that, of course has been made a bit more complicated because as he said in the interview the guy who put them together passed away. So if you like this material and you have some video editing skills and are willing to contribute reach out to Alex and The Stolen History Team and I'm sure they would appreciate your help!

1:10:08 But content wise, super interesting stuff. I even thought the asylum material was pretty unique and not talked about all that often even though we kind of know that it fits into the puzzle And this case being made overall, I know it's a pretty epic claim that essentially all of history is alive back casted beyond the big cataclysm that no one can really pin down. And a parasite class takeover in the wake of it which has basically been in control ever since but the broad picture isn't hard to see and the documentary does make great case and add so many details

1:10:45 And we do have these weird situations where the details of how certain cities and buildings were constructed, mainly the timelines. They can be pretty far-fetched! We talked about a few examples of that today When you wonder who built them and you know it's like we've heard that vikings were in the americas we even heard claims at the romans were here so maybe these weren't native american built cities and maybe that whole history. Needs to be rethought maybe their concept that were trying to shoehorn some of this data into is just not even right but also kind of creates more sinister and calculated motivation behind the inquisition or colonial expansion

1:11:28 What you're already sinister but in this context it's a lot more coordinated and intentional it's not like they were just going out and discovering things they knew what was there and they knew what they were doing and the screw knows that have a narrow window of time, and they were really in this full court press mode. And i know that history is a lot of material or its thought to be a lot of material but a lot of official history is based on A few scholars, a few different pockets of privileged people and when you source it through they end up no longer having the primary documents. And is that just the inconvenient reality of time and decay? Maybe! Unfortunately we only largely have liars to trust. And maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle but even if this is half true that is a dramatic rewrite of the human story that we've had drilled into our heads

1:12:24 And we know who funded Western Education. So I'm into it! Lots of unanswered questions... and where are all the fucking passenger pigeons? I too want to know! And plus people, if you have little stories or family anecdotes that add to the themes we talked about today put them in the comments send me a voicemail for the joint session not every show is so applicable to putting out a call like this but this is a pretty good opportunity And really, I would say Alex crushed it. Especially for not being as seasoned as a lot of people I do interview and the second hour is just as impressive as the first we got into painting a picture of the pre-parasite world who built the star forts and star cities that no one really talks about Egyptology and Napoleon Tesla and Einstein The Dark Ages challenge that Alex put out there

1:13:19 His thoughts on Anatoly Fomenko, Tartaria and Scothia. We hear about Tartaria but we don't hear about Scothia what's the deal? And also the old island of California and Alex's passenger pigeon puzzle is either the last part of The Plus Show or the part where I cut back in for everyone...I can't remember right now! But hey sign up for Plus support the show you love and get twice as much of it Start yourself out with the free seven day trial and see how it goes. The higher side chats dot com and higher side news I just want to plug that event in Austin again come hang out with me and Gordon White drinks and food are available at this venue June 25

1:14:01 I saw the telegram group that we have going for the event and people are coming from all over these here United States. It's wild to see but it's also a pretty rare thing to have Gordon in the United States and for me to really be doing anything in meat space so we want to make it big, fun & special! And of course it is free But it's only open to members of his site or mine, or we would probably get shut down from the fire marshal. We're not trying to overcrowd or as they say now astro world this place you know? Well let's also look at the calendar and higher side meetups dot com and see where people are meeting people all four these are happening this weekend actually May 14th a THC runesuit mashup with brews at Fieldworks in San Mateo California

1:14:52 Also May 14th, Hireside Chat slash No Agenda hybrid meetup at the Grossenbacher House in Mesa Arizona. I believe that is a private residence so that's fun! Do be on your best behavior for the Grossenbachers please May 15th we got 12 Fox Brewery in Dripping Springs, Texas and also May 15th We have a walking tour in New Haven Connecticut Kicking off from the Book Trader Cafe. I like what I'm seeing lots of listener created events joint events with other like-minded podcasts No agenda, of course is appropriate because I shamelessly copied this whole idea from them

1:15:35 But Adam tends to support things that are open source and I try to contribute back in donations to KnowAgenda appropriately. But i like a walking tour as well! I actually had this thought the other day, we used to talk about exploring certain areas or doing follow-ups to some of the things that guests have talked about And my first attempt to try to build an infrastructure where THC listeners could get out into the field was a forum thread called The Explorers Club. We know that the THC forums have never really popped off in full force, they're much better now that it's more coordinated with the membership infrastructure but setting up something like a field investigation is difficult in a forum

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