Alan Green | The Shakespeare Mystery, Manifesting, & The John Dee Cipher

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01:52 Here we go, Hireside Chatters. I hope your seat backs and tray tables are in the upright lock position and you're properly strapped in because today we're taking one hell of a ride through a legendary mystery and an occulted code that will lead us through a trail of famous documents landmarks sacred geometry And just the sort of legendary characters that one would expect these sorts of codes to come from And like many threads of this nature, it speaks of advanced knowledge and deeply profound spiritual truths considered heresy to the ironclad control of religious authorities in the old-time gatekeepers of truth

02:29 It is a fascinating real-life Da Vinci Code journey, and the cornerstone of this mystery revolves around the works of Shakespeare whose true identity is itself a highly debated mystery which just adds that much more icing to an already overcrowded cake to be cut and served by today's guest Alan Green. Not only has that sweet synchronicity guided Alan down the path of discovering this intricate mystery, but he's also a classically trained pianist, composer, author, educator and Shakespeare authorship scholar. He was also the musical director for Davy Jones of The Monkees for several years and co-authored with Jones two best selling award winning books, They Made a Monkey Outta Me and Mutant Monkeys. His first academic book Decoding Shakespeare was released in September 2016 and it documents the role of Dr John Dee alchemist astrologer and leading cryptographer of the renaissance in

03:23 greatest literary cover-up of all time. Since then, he's been working on many forms of media in which to reveal that which has been concealed from just up the five highway and the city of angels, The Bard Code Breaker, The Shakespeare Mystery Shaker Alan Green welcome to the higher side. Thank you Greg pleasure to be here Yes man thanks for doing this you really are ground zero for a very unique and fascinating discovery and it is a real pleasure to have you here. This is exactly the kind of thing we love and this interview has been in the works for a long time, its almost been a full year since we first tried to schedule it

04:00 but those nasty California wildfires got in the way. And you know, the universe tends to know when the time is right and in the last year some new layers have been added as well as new media projects related to this material and so here we are! Here we are looking forward to it Yes, and to kick this off let me just ask you to grease the wheels a bit by just reminding people why Shakespeare's writing is so unique and legendary and why his identity is such a mystery You know, I didn't know a thing about Shakespeare when i was introduced to this almost 15 years ago and I consider that a blessing because it meant I wasn't hobbled by any of the typical academic story that we are fed in school as to the history of Shakespeare who he was etc.

04:59 So I got introduced to it by a friend of mine who just invited me to see a one man show he was producing in Los Angeles about the Shakespearean mystery, but i knew nothing about it and infact the least bit interested i actually had a version to my whole life. Which is interesting in itself because it's so good game you clean slate come on board without any preconceived notions but my friend introduced me to it so he show what he essentially brought out, add that show lord may and now they can be sick of the sun up in just a few sentences there is

05:45 essentially no paper trail. for Shakespeare concerning at least poetry and playwriting. There are no manuscripts, there are no plays, no poems, no letters not a page, not a line written in his own hand that in itself is extraordinary because there's plenty of information for all the other playwrights and poets of the time since he was the star of that time it just makes you think what would that be greatest writer ever wrote a letter to anybody no one ever delivered want to hear.

06:30 one apparently was found that was never opened and that's absolutely it when somebody wrote something to him and it never was open so this is been a huge manhunt anyway since he is, why did you consider the greatest western writer of all time weather not you understand him or even like him. Is beside the point i think we all intuitively understand that we should, you know. You're invited to a Shakespeare play and you think maybe I won't get it but end up going and being surprised like oh I laughed myself silly or cried or hit me on so many levels I didn't understand 90% of it but... So there's something about the works that is eternal and makes it just as important and

07:20 recognizable today as it was 400 years ago. And so anyway, I just got bitten by the bug of why would there be no paper trail? There are very very few facts about the man from Stratford who we are told was Shakespeare and those facts have nothing whatsoever to do with playwriting or poetry Mark Twain wrote a book called Is Shakespeare Dead? in which he decided he would basically curate together all the information that we had, provable facts that we had about him and they amount to about 72 facts

07:59 five pages maybe, double spaced and that's it. And they're all about real estate and the various things that he was known to have been involved in. They couldn't find him for tax evasion. He was convicted of hoarding grain or rather accused of hoarding grain during a famine trying to gouge his neighbors for the price of corn And yet, then apparently going back to London and saying the quality of mercy is not strained from us as the gentle rain from heaven. A lot of stuff that just doesn't make sense and many great minds for the past couple hundred years have

08:38 just not been able to make that connection. Well, from Waldo Emerson, Walt Whitman many all the biggest names in philosophy and literature at the time have all said can't be this guy who never traveled anywhere and yet knows Italy like the back of his hand so that was a background for me was wow there's a mystery I think i'll write about this and I started writing about it the very next day after I was introduced to it. My natural bent was to write a musical, because that's what I do but soon after starting the musical and getting into research I realized this story went very very deep And I started to realize the more I looked into it that it was going to be a long long project if I would be able to write about it intelligently

09:29 So that's how it started and I'm sure for most people we don't know that, i didn't know that. I didn't know there was no paper trailing yet what are all these books about? There are maybe a hundred thousand books about Shakespeare he probably did this and he must have done that, no doubt we assume he went here and assumed...we assume he did this. I mean it's all conjecture because there is no history you could just literally state the history academically in five minutes then get on with the plays so people say well it doesn't really matter we have to play and they have their poems and thats what matters so really doesn't matter who wrote it but ummm

10:11 There's a lot of hints in the plays and the poems that say, no no there is something else going on here. And so I got bitten by that bug and i haven't had a day off since. That is a great introduction, and you were right it is very strange that there are no original manuscripts no handwritten things by Shakespeare only these typed plays and we have six original signatures but they're all different relate to his will and land purchases, legal documents. And so it is a mystery even that those six signatures are so weird and don't match up at all. Anyone who has tried to digest the material itself it is legendarily dense and difficult. Like you said you might not understand all of it but you still get a sense that there

11:02 Deep wisdom contained within and even just the structure of his work is interesting i mean im not a literary expert so I don't know the technical terms but I think it's fascinating that he has this five syllable pattern. For a lot of stuff but then there's also separate rhyme scheme of a pattern of four syllables for beans who are magical or our fairies and then of course the full and his tales usually says the deepest truth has the most wisdom so this is all kind of in that soup of what. Secret societies and sacred knowledge and all that kinda stuff this is kinda it involves the same wrapping innocence,

11:43 Yeah, you've done your homework right? I try. I got one job right is to do that homework. Those six signatures are a key also because they are all spelled differently and really hardly even legible so that's a very strange thing for him to have left not even handwriting experts can agree they were all written by the same person and as you said three are on the will his last will and testament probably were written by clerks who were putting his will together. So we really don't know, it's just...it just doesn't make sense that there would be this enormous vacuum no one spoke contemporaneously about having seen him down the pub you know oh I met Will last night after we saw King Lear and he was having a beer and talking about his next production and there is none of that

12:41 we start seeing writings about him afterwards, years and years and years afterward. But actual people who identified that they saw the actual writer... there's a couple of references to... oh well Shakespeare at the time but only in reference to that the printing of the name on some of the plays and it's quite possible that was a pen name because it was in some hyphenated, about half of them hyphenated. Hyphenations were common way

13:20 suggesting a pen name, but you know all together none of that is conclusive or provable and so it's very difficult when you get into stating certain ideas about why there is a mystery because the onus is on Well, let's split it into certain categories so that people understand. The man we're taught about is from Stratford-upon-Avon and so the people who believe he was Shakespeare are called Stratfordians There are other categories of people who believe... No! It couldn't have been this illiterate

13:59 he said you came from a little family derrick jackie says wonderful thing about the family since you know you got it through the generations of illiterate literate great writer ever, i mean his daughters didn't learn who read and write that's how things are happy head around the guy would come home say Wow, I had a hard day at the office writing Hamlet today. Listen dears... Oh! Forgot you can't leave. Yeah okay. It just doesn't make much sense and he never travelled anywhere and he's got this massive knowledge there is no evidence of education even yet he knows seemingly everything about everything that is encompassed in the plays from

14:51 mathematics to astronomy to botany, to all seafaring and navigation and mathematics and the law. I mean how does he know all this stuff? He had to have had access to an enormous library so anyway it's very hard any way to state categorically, oh I believe it's not that person it is this person. Now many people have as a say for about 200 years There were people who believed it was Francis Bacon, there were people who believe it's Christopher Marlowe. People who believe its Queen Elizabeth, there are people who believe that Edward De Vere is the 17th Earl of Oxford and all these beliefs are bolstered by their own individual research and it's wrong to either say yep they're right or no this is rubbish because there isn't enough concrete evidence so what I went looking for was actual

15:50 concrete physical evidence and I found that was present in codes that i had discovered, and many people also had been on the search for codes for many years as well. but I just happened to stumble upon what i believe was the right way to decode it and once having done that, uh was on a journey to actually prove that scientifically which we'll get into later. I'm sure. Yes! It is quite amazing and Wikipedia lists 87 different candidates and there is just a mountain of work that has

16:28 That has been done that leads to many different possibilities it is like a jfk assassination rabbit hole or something yeah. And now let's back up a little bit and talk about your personal story because the longer I live, the more I find life playing out more like a well-written plot than just a bunch of random occurrences as they'd have us believe. Several threads in your life are full of the kind of synchronicity that defies logic. Talk to us about your path through say the music industry a bit, your realizations about the power of manifestation and how it ties into this big story? Yeah!

17:05 Well, yeah let's go back then right to the beginning. I don't mean to dwell on it overly but it is pertinent and will come full circle so I don't like to sound as though I'm reeling off a list of accomplishments because that's not the purpose in fact what i'm gonna tell you is more or less to point out the following of you can take a look at my you have to say, how are you when i had it all together i did this and that so as i say these things don't don't take them in vain because we're going to come to a point where

17:45 I have a comeuppance, and I reckon that I'd better sort myself out because all this sort of manifesting is very interesting. As a kid, I just always had the feeling that I could manifest anything. And I think perhaps fairly common experience for children until we get out into the world and get beaten up a bit by it you know i think we all feel pretty invincible maybe I don't know that there's been a true amount of research done on that but I know many people who felt that when they were kids, ahh! I can do anything. I certainly felt it. Oh yeah? Because I dunno your fresh from the astral your fresh from

18:32 wherever we were before and where will go after it. And even if you don't believe that, that's okay too but nevertheless there is something about consciousness in us that says I am special after all i'm the center of my universe right? I am the only person who can say I, I! No one else has that experience apparently and yet yeah we all do. I remember asking my dad A very, very deep question. When I was...I don't know, I seem to remember maybe about 8 or 9 and asked him this deep Zen question and said Dad why am i me an not somebody else? And I remember exactly word for word what he said He said Don't be silly Doris you are somebody else

19:29 Doris! I don't know where he got that from, he used to call me all kinds of names. Don't be silly Doris you are somebody else which if...you know that's a sort of Zen master answer like hit you over the head. You are somebody else because of course to him i was somebody else Oh, that's interesting. This sense of I-ness is universal and yet every single one of us thinks we are the I and nobody else is. It's very bizarre when you try to wrap your head around it. Anyway, we'll get into that later because that's one of the key things Shakespeare says, I am what I am! That's the name of God in the Bible, Exodus

20:16 chapter 3 verse 14 and wrap your head around that because it's three point one four, that's pi. In chapter three verses fourteen Moses is on Mount Sinai and he asks God who shall I say sent me? You know they're gonna think i'm nuts coming down the hill with these ten commandments you know tell me your name! And god says Hebrew for I am that I am tells him the name of God. I am that I am well It turns out that Shakespeare uses that very very very phrase in sonnet 121 I am that I am Anyway, we'll get to that so I'm a kid. I'm coming home from school in my early teens and there's a new TV show on and it's called The Monkeys

21:06 My dad is watching it, he kind of likes it. I didn't like because I was into the Beatles and I thought this was comparatively... It just didn't resonate for me but there was more going on than that because I actually had a visceral reaction to seeing this little bastard Davy Jones who's from around the corner from where I live. He's from Manchester I'm living in manchester and i think why is he got this job. He's the next beatles right next week it was intended to be the next people it was a you know they called the beetles the fat for michael the monkeys the pre fab four, add it was very strange to me that i have this absolute gut reaction actually hated him

21:55 In my got my stomach was churning where does that come from no reason no rational reason i didn't know him never done anything to me actually hated. I wouldn't watch the show i didn't like it years and years and years later, comes back to be very meaningful because i need to end up working with this is good yes so Anyway, that sort of background. That happened! What was that about? We'll leave that for a moment... I go out into the world as a musician thinking well i want to be that successful and do stuff like he's doing And all I knew was that I had read maybe one book and I can't remember what it would have been Maybe Out To Win Friends & Influence People by Dale Carney but I got this sense from somewhere

22:52 to manifest your goals, you must believe they already exist and you must picture them and imagine it. Not just thinking I want this to come into being but actually believe it already is And so I set off to do that and the first time i actually did it, I had done a bit of traveling. I'd gone to Africa with a jazz band. I come back and think oh this is cool! I really like the traveling thing maybe I would like to work on a cruise ship? I don't know where that idea came from but I bought a picture of a cruise ship slapped it up on my wall i sat in front of it every night imagining that i was there to see myself on the cruise ship picture palm trees and blue ocean me singing at the grand piano on a cruise ship seeing all these wonderful places in the bahamas but i never been to you know and i actually just got into

23:48 Oh, it's real. It's real and thinking that I am there and within about three months... ...I got a call out of the blue from someone did not know this person He said I got your number from so-and-so. I hear you're pretty good pianist Would you be interested in joining my band on a cruise ship? And i said ahhhh That's how it happens So I'll go on a cruise ship gradually i just did more and more of this is interesting i want to record deal. I was sitting at home after i get my cruise ships done i'm picturing myself signing a record deal in london that's gonna happen i can feel it not gonna happen its happened,

24:34 And lo and behold, through Contacts. I mean of course if i had to do the pushing and shoving and writing songs etc but nevertheless that's what i wanted and that was manifesting got a record deal But it was very small label and wasn't the sort of thing that i envisioned as i want be signed by ooh by Davis Arrested and my first record deal fell apart for various reasons I then, I went oh okay let's do that and i pictured where Clive Davis' office was in New York and I'm sitting in my apartment now in London and facing New York. I can picture his office

25:18 I just pictured myself signing a record deal with clive davidson and honestly within a few months the person who's taking care of my business then my manager, makes me quite surprised that this invites him to come see my show when i was going to see my showing london signs me on the spot. So i'm thinking wow this is amazing this is how you do it if u can believe it is So that was what started and so to get me through to the connection to Davey, I'm just going to rush through a bunch of things. That deal fell through because I was a pain in the ass to work with and I literally wouldn't let anybody do that job and Prime Davis said to me since I've signed you but uh but you haven't written any hits yet um because...and i got sort of upset over that well what do you mean I haven't written hits? You haven't put anything out obviously it's not a hit yet!

26:18 But he's saying, he's doing his deal. He's doing his Clive Davis thing you know I know a hit when i hear it and that third year demos and you don't have me...I went home wrote three songs in a huff you know I'll show you about a hit and I wrote three songs of one of them was a joke! An absolute joke song and it was called 15 and it was intended for a teeny-bot band. And it was very catchy, and obviously a hit! I mean to me it was a hit. And it went... Ba ba ba baby You'll soon be fifteen And you know what I mean When I say I love you

26:58 Alright, that sounds like a hit and I play it for Clive and Clive says yep that's a hit you're gonna record it. And I said no no no I can't record it I'm 25 years old don't you get it? It's a joke 15 is not legal! I can't be singing to teenagers And he absolutely insisted, said now you've got to record it. I said oh come on give it to the Bay City Rollers or some...you know what I mean? I just did that to prove to you that I can write a hit! No, we're going to record it. I recorded under duress really really upset over the fact and thinking well I'm gonna record a ton of other stuff and he's gonna hear all this stuff and release that and won't ever release this one because its just a joke

27:39 No, the end of it is a fabulous recording you're gonna release. Can be your hit record what i do that i'm going to end up being a teeny box and rest my life and actually very uncomfortable because i was already twenty five wasn't it so it just didn't work and i said no not going to find. Goodbye got dropped from that label So I've now been on two labels, but i don't care because i know i can manifest a label right? I can just manifest the next one and i come to America and i start trying to manifest. It's not working and by this point

28:20 I've been to see about 20 labels in LA and they're all very excited. I'd given my Arista album that was never released saying, here look listen to these tapes aren't they great? Oh yeah we love them but then nobody followed through so i got very very desperate at this time because it suddenly seemed to be not working the point I'm getting to is and I want to just stress this for listeners I just wanted you to understand where I am coming from on this The idea of manifesting is certainly, it's got to be real. I had proven it to myself that by focusing one's belief one can apparently affect

29:01 what is coming to watch and i could feel it very viscerally at the same time though i was not in a good space as far as being okay be somebody who isn't. Yeah i'm not proud of the way i was behaving at the time and i can see that that was working well because i dropped back to make. So anyway, now I'm desperate because at its end i've borrowed a lot of money to come to America and it's seemingly not working anymore. And I am in the middle of driving back towards LA after taking a brief hiatus and saying oh god what am I going to do? I'm in desperate trouble here

29:47 And to cut a long story short, I'm not going to go deeply into the details but honestly i had what i know was a spiritual experience of talking with whatever you want to call it and whatever one is comfortable with. God, the divine energy or whatever but i could feel that it was life changing experience imagination, it was absolutely the most real thing I had ever felt or experienced in my life and it went roughly like this. When I say I hear a voice its not that you hear a voice its just an intuitive insight...I have this sense of yes! I am being communicated with and the voice for want of better term was saying

30:35 Alan, when you're in a room playing your new songs for a group of people and there's even one person not paying attention. You get really upset don't you? Well I nailed that was me yeah! Nailed me i wanted everybody to be paying attention to me wow if nine people out of ten were rapt attention saying oh this is fabulous alan and one person is not paying attention, I'm focusing on that one person. And this...I'm getting this realization yeah yeah yeah. And in an instant this to me i just say divine said well I'm doing all of this constantly and it was as though a hand was swept across the entire horizon as I am driving

31:28 I'm felt bliss in everything and i have that experience people talk about being one with everything, i'm doing this i'm seeing stars in daylight you know when i see the sap of trees and i don't know it's impossible to describe but a supernatural experience energy everywhere. flowing, beautiful deep and I was in bliss. I was in a kind of peace that I had never ever known suddenly BANG! I'm doing this all the time and hardly anybody's paying attention but I don't get upset Wow! I don't get upset because I have infinite patience. I was really hit between the eyes with you know hey

32:17 And essentially it was a conversation that went on for a little while of, you know, you're giving no attention to where this comes from. You think I manifest this? You're doing it! You made the cruise ship. You made Clive Davis sign it No, maybe but maybe it's a group effort. Maybe there is team effort and I've got something to do with it the divine is saying. You should credit me. I'd like some credit if wasn't being said that way but that was referencing back to my own need for personal attention you know? What about me? I'm doing all this. I am in a freaking universe man! I'm not just a song Wow

32:58 And because I had hit rock bottom and i had no more avenues to go to, I was ripe. You know it was just yeah...I can't manifest anymore and all these labels that I thought I could just turn on nobody's interested in me saying a word So at that moment because I'm full of utter something I have never experienced It is not just happiness or even joy its bliss there is a word for it and it's the most astounding feeling that I had ever had at that time, and a sureness that i am loved completely and I am a part of it all. In fact really saying it without that connotation of ego...I AM IT ALL! You know the I Am! Wow so at that moment I accepted that was the reality

33:51 and I knew very well in that moment, I was being told now what do you want? What do you need? And i'm saying to whatever this is You know what I want, yeah. I need a record deal and massively in debt. I owe my friends money and I've maxed out my American Express credit card. I have no cash in my pocket. I'm going home in a rental car but it's gonna be taken off me. And think I'm going to dentist prison? I don't know. We don't have dentists prisons in America but I thought for my English upbringing that was where I was going. I need the deal! I need a record deal!" Of course you do.

34:31 are you telling me that the creator of all this and i'm feeling it not seeing it. Creator of all this can't get your record ask me, ask me don't just say you can do it wow i know that moment i knew in turn only that i could actually asked the truth It's in the Bible, it is in all great scriptures about if you can believe. And its possible but you must believe. But believe! Believe! Total belief

35:11 without any doubt, without any flaws and in my experience of manifesting it had always been I have to churn the ether with my thoughts, my positive thoughts. To say i am being signed by Clive Davis! I am, I get it, I feel it and when you come out of that meditation there's always those little voices in your head saying yeah but maybe not who do you think you are? We all have negative voices we have this idea that were gonna power through with positive voices And it's obvious, it was obvious to me that one had to outweigh the other. You had to be really manifesting up in the idea of I'm 90% positive and only 10% negative throughout the rest of the day and I can squash those thoughts as well with more definite positive thoughts so you've got to do that! Be positive all the time to attract what you want that is positive. That's what I have been doing but I found it easy to do

36:03 well now i didn't have a couldn't even find it was so ludicrous to me what if this doesn't happen because this divine being was saying you have a record deal now can you believe that i mean why not. Of course, of course. How can it be possible that the creator of these galaxies that I'm seeing in my head cannot get me a record deal? So i just said okay yeah wow WOW! And I knew at that moment I had a record deal and I knew also could ask for whatever I wanted but the definite thought came well gee I could ask for a million dollars its only zeros

36:44 But do I need a million dollars? And actually, I understood that i didn't need a million dollars. What I needed was sixty thousand dollars because I was about twenty five thousand in debt this is 40 years ago we're talking about so there's a lot more money than it sounds right now 60 000 would take care of me That's what I needed that's what I asked for. I said well I need to record you Yeah, done. Check! How much do you need? $60 000 to pay off my debt and give me enough money to write about this experience Right okay done next I'm driving back and this blissful state did not leave, and i got back to Los Angeles to the couch of a friend that i was sleeping in his apartment on. And the next day phone rings and it's Richard Perry from Planet Records who produced Harry Nilsson

37:34 Oh god strichen point is that you know many many many names he says you gave me a tape couple months ago i never listened to recess but yesterday and listen to it and its best thing ever heard in long time come to my home i want to give your record. Well it didn't work out that it ended up being richard perry but i got turned on to another label and blah blah blah but the point is i signed a record deal, i had a record deal and it was at that moment of experience happening he listened to that tape. And of course I ended signing a record deal with ABC and they gave me an advance can you guess how much that advance was? It can only be 60k! That's exactly what it was

38:19 And so at that moment I was honestly in a heightened state. So, that bliss lasted for about three months and then it faded. After three months it started to fade away and then I knew okay that's real, I can experience that but now I probably didn't deserve that, that was grace. I've got to go find it myself." Right? I just knew all of that intuitively and I went looking for my own spiritual path and I found it but I'm not going to name it because you know...I'm not going to be

38:59 at all saying, oh one should do this. I mean i just say you know what go looking if you're looking for something for yourself go looking for what resonates it will speak to you and i found what it was and i found a certain meditation technique and through that technique i was able to then regain that blissful experience that i thought had gone and from there i got Actually a sequence of other records you let another letter and i need my fifth record deal hi get the hit record that i wanted to surrender it's called ice around there is about experience so now we get basically i would say oh god gave me the record deal i want.

39:44 I knew that, i mean that's what i wanted when i was a kid. I want to hit record like that bloody bastard david jones who I don't like. And so, I finally had my hit and it was a small hit. It was number one in a couple of areas up in Seattle and Atlanta but overall in the States it was number 27. That was it! It was a small tiny little bit got that little bit of satisfaction and then BAM! It was It was taken from the record deal and didn't know it's thrown out no it was for a purpose because i would have i will probably not be alive today if i had fame and fortune. No it wouldn't been good for me but i did get what little bit i wanted and then i get a call,

40:34 How to the blue i'm not manifesting anything anymore by the way you know i'm not saying i want this is just content i know i can get what i need when it when i don't need to do this massive manifest in spring is gonna come because i looked after and cared for i am loved by something I believe it's the divine but you know whatever, it's for all those listening. There is a love there something that is consciousness that tells you are important You're so important! You are the I this I am that knows itself and so that's the state i was in. So it didn't need to be manifesting and yet things started manifesting on their own or through divine intervention, like a phone call got a gig for you can't tell you what it is kind of hush-hush gotta go to this theater and rehearse a band they can't read their charts they're not very good at reading music they needed to be whipped into shape and just one day thing just teach them the charts and we'll pay you blah blah blah

41:36 Okay, and I show up. And I'm there and running the band through their charts... One number two number three number four is a monkey's tune! And then five six seven aren't and then the eighth number is a monkey's tune! And I'm going what is this? Nobody will tell me! And they can play well but just can't read the charts so I've sort of taken them through it. Then out you know I'm on the proscenium arch with stage with the band Down, I don't know 200 yards away a door opens at the back behind all these red plush velvet seats and in walks who? Gotta be David Jones! David Jones. And my stomach immediately churned. This is that bastard I don't like. Now where's that come from? Never met him, I didn't know... All of a sudden this is 20 years after about 20 after the time

42:33 No, it's not quite twenty. Fifteen years later after the time that I had hated him as a school kid for no reason you know irrational hatred stomach journey and he walks in and I'm like oh shit! Oh no this guy And he walks up to me and goes, Hello cowboy! I hear you're from Manchester. Oh great we are going to have a fabulous time. Do you know that pub down the road on Wicker Street? And do you remember the Ina Sharples story? He starts in with the Manchester humour and all my resistance went because he's funny

43:15 and he's really engaging, and he is just saying... Oh man! And we started with the Manchester Humour now that the band are all American they're standing on stage thinking what's going on here? We don't understand what they're talking about because it was very local humour. And which is killing each other. I'm making him laugh and he's making me laugh within 10 minutes I realized I don't hate this guy, I love him It was instant. Oh man, I love this guy Where did that all come from? Well, to me now I know it's all karma. It was something in the past between us lifetimes ago who knows but it was definitely there that was just... I don't want to see this guy again! And there he was He was the funniest person I have ever known and he could make you hurt from laughing. He could make you roll on the ground

44:10 saying please stop stop stop watching my stomach going no no he could play laughter like cold rain played. Sax or beaters and piano orchestra is a master of making you laugh and he wants to go laughing, never stop until you are begging begging for mercy stock, because this is hurting too much. Stop it! Stop it! And I'm rolling on the floor laughing but I could make him laugh too and he liked that and we're just knocking each other out within 10 minutes and he says so you coming on road with us aren't ya? It'd be great. He says I can't stand these yanks. I don't understand them. You and me together on the road with Manchester boys. It'll be fabulous come on and I just found myself saying yeah okay

45:01 And two days later, I'm on the road with him as his musical director. And i was with him for 12 years. How about that? Yes it's quite funny how it all comes around! The karma you know... we had to work out some stuff from the past now-I won't go into the stuff because some of that is pretty ugly and we weren't always the best friends but at the same time I love him dearly and still do. He's passed now, and he is in a fine place. It is all good. We just have stuff to work out."

45:45 So there we are, that takes us through all that and now we can get on to Shakespeare. Yes so life is definitely weird sometimes and that is quite a full circle loop but yes to bring it back to the full story here you learn about this Shakespeare authorship rabbit hole you go down in a little bit and then how do we connect these two parts working with Davy Jones of The Monkees and being fascinated by this Shakespeare authorship mystery? Well, one of the connections is that what I had to learn was to get rid of my horrible attitude about working with people and my own need for attention. Whereas i got to experience...I got to experience the kind of fame and fortune that I thought I always wanted through David vicariously And I got to see how awful it was up close

46:41 living with him for twelve years and knowing that he knew he didn't know you could trust anybody as his real friend, you like me because i was always truthful with the new say. You liked us, right? You liked the monkeys when you were a kid. I mean, you saw me, right? You know how brilliant that was, right?" And i would say... um... yeah... well... I liked Mickey occasionally! No, he don't mean that! Oh wasn't the music great? Well, I dunno it wasn't The Beatles, was it?!

47:18 I mean i would just wind up you know and i did grow to like that music later i was blocked from liking it because i didn't like him for unknown reasons but in other words, what would be good for me to have that thing he had it in spades obviously is the news. pop superstar of the era in sixty six monkeys sold more records than the Beatles and Elvis combined so we go on this wild ride playing with him all over the world and seeing how it is how does fame is just stuck to you like louis can't go anywhere without being. You know that the center of attention and then some way some respects great another work in other words its not so great and hard

48:06 And i got to experience it vicariously and realized well, I don't know wouldn't like that so i got to experience through that without having to go through myself and have the discomfort of no privacy ever. one of the things now in what I'm doing now, in promoting the wonderful person who is Shakespeare whether it's the man from Stratford or somebody else whatever. I have discovered things about Shakespeare that I want to tell the world about and I am promoting

48:43 I'm promoting that person not me, i am not promoting myself anymore and then that was what was always uncomfortable for me the idea of push push push push self promote self promote. That's always got me into trouble it made me not a nice person and once i go through that found out i could have this bliss i could have peace i can have love whenever i wanted to do i felt unloved just going meditate and do this technique that i know and find again And so you don't need to be constantly self-promoting. And this thing came into my life where, wow it seems like your job is to promote Shakespeare who this person really is and how fascinating this person is because he's way more fascinating than we think

49:31 he is. And so promoting that is easy for me because I'm saying, not saying look at me but looking this and looking this and I am a good promoter you know I have learnt how to manifest and promote promote promote but it's much more comfortable now for me to be promoting someone else no my own stuff you know? So thats one benefit from those two worlds connecting You just told me about, before we started about some connection that I didn't know about. About somebody quoting Shakespeare on the first Monkeys show. What was that? Uh you know it is a weird tangent but

50:10 We follow the work of a guy named Chris Knowles pretty closely and he follows a series of synchronicities that revolve around the singer Elizabeth Frazier from The Cocktoo Twins. And this song that was originally sang by Tim Buckley called Song Of The Siren, this song was first performed by Tim Buckley on the very first episode of The Monkees TV show, but also Liz Frazier got her start in a group called This Mortal Coil which is strangely enough taken from Shakespeare's Hamlet. And you just happen to be at the center of this I mean you worked with Davy Jones and The Monkeys and your very much involved in this big Shakespeare mystery and I just think that it was crazy loop of coincidences that I know this audience would enjoy and probably likes hearing about

50:56 It's just a wild ride, man. I mean that's how life unfolds sometimes but... I didn't know that Greg and thank you for telling me about it! And i will look into Liz Frazier. I don't know..I just never somehow escaped me and there is another new little synchronicity go ahh another one great cool indeed And then, you know having Davy Jones in your back pocket or having this resource in your back pocket. That is just I think really fascinating because when you came to a roadblock which we should get up too it actually came in quite handy the roadblock of Which one are you referring to now? Well, I'm referring to the church I'm referring to getting in good with the people of the church but we haven't even gotten there yet

51:42 So to take it back to the Shakespeare mystery and bring it up to this roadblock at the church that I'm referring to, talk to us about this breadcrumb trail of codes you found within things that are related to Shakespeare. Alright most of his work is very easy to understand when you see it visually because it's a very visual thing to look at texts, codes and see how they interrelate. So it's a little hard to describe i can do it for you but just would people if they want to know further go to youtube channel and see a couple of videos that got bunch videos up. YouTube channel will press play precisely later on but in other words, you can see you can't see it in graphic representation which is always easier to comprehend than just hearing the description but in a nutshell

52:46 I began to find in my research that there was something curious about the gravestone of Shakespeare, the monument of Shakespeare in what's known as Shakespeare's church in Stratford-upon-Avon where the man from Stratford is buried. The first thing that's curious is that the gravestone that is purported to be his gravestone doesn't have his name on it and it has a very curious... well, you described earlier as four. It's called iambic tetrameter and the one that everybody knows is iambic pentameter, the five but the gravestone is written in tetrameter 4

53:36 And it says, good friend for Jesus' sake forebear to dig the dust and close it here lest be the man that spares these stones and cursed be he that moves my bones. It's a pretty bad poem and certainly doesn't have Shakespeare name on it but you know they come into the church and get pointed there and pay two pounds to come into the chancel and see The Grave of Shakespeare There are some anomalies to that, that didn't quite make sense to me. I had been researching how codes were made during the Renaissance and they were very very popular because it was a very repressive regime at the time, the Elizabethan and the Jacobian regimes

54:28 even prior to that, it was all very repressive. And so people did communicate through codes and anagrams were all very popular pastime as a way of getting certain truths that were perhaps considered heretical by the church at the time So his monument as well, above that gravestone also reads similarly very strange. Absolutely just weird syntax and then there's something in the sonnet's dedication that has been thought to be code for a couple of hundred years people have written loads and loads of books about it And it too doesn't seem to make sense and it has dots between every word in the sonnet's dedication so

55:18 All of these things I started to twig were perhaps part of a code. Now, to just speed it along and get past the difficulty of being easier to see i will just say that the one person in that time period who would be capable of creating a really extensive, deep and beautiful elegant code if such were the case. That's springing from my suspicion of why is there no paper trail? Why is there absolutely no evidence? Why has everything disappeared if not to hide some story and if you're hiding the story but you want that story come out then I'll probably

56:08 codes. There's probably something telling you what really happened, but you have to figure it out because it's a puzzle The one person capable of doing that at the time would be John Deeb He was the Queen's personal astrologer he was the most accomplished mathematician and he was the most accomplished cryptographer and he was also her spy in Europe and he looked like Dumbledore or Merlin, he was known as a magician. He's got fabulous wonderful character Dr John Dee and his code number is 007. Right right. And essentially that's where the whole James Bond story came from

57:01 And, oh so yeah he is the Queen. He is on Her Majesty's Secret Service. He is a spy. His code number is 007. He's in Europe working for her but he's the guy! If there was anybody that could have done this it would be him possibly Francis Bacon as well because Francis Bacon was very clever at coding as most people know, there's a suspicion that Francis Bacon might be. Shakespeare, the writings of Shakespeare and the writings of Bacon are so dissimilar that never quite made sense to me. I don't discount it entirely but he's part of it. He certainly is a major part of it but I think he's a major part of the encryption not at the writing. But John Dee was absolutely head and shoulders the guy to do encryption side. I had researched him and found out that what he does is uses dots

58:00 as his way of shuffling letters around in a text so that the letters can be moved to a place where they are correct in their position, so that say for instance you take that gravestone inscription and instead of reading it horizontally You put it into what's called a grid, so 17 letters and then you wrap it around and you put another line under itself. And another line under itself...and another line under itself! So, just wrap the text around. And lo-and behold, a vertical message will show up This is called a Cardano grill It was very common way of doing encodings in those days I had started to look at this Oh, I found the Cardano Grill here

58:47 I was also basing my work on two other people who did massive work in this area, one named John Rollett and one named Art Neuendorfer. So again, I wasn't totally in the dark just trying this out myself. I had seen some other work that seemed to be promising by these two people and then I continued it on and took it way further as we all do. We build on the shoulders of others and I literally started looking for these Cardano grills in, oh in the monument. Let's find one in the monument so if you find the right grid length

59:23 the right number of letters to sort of wrap around and around and round, then you start seeing the vertical message showing up. So I found it in the monument, i found it in the silence dedication, and i found it in the gravestone so when you find three places you think well that's pretty good yeah like that i'm onto something here this is real this is not imagination because the same messages are showing up in all three The stunning thing was that adding together all the text of the gravestone and the monument under Saint-Exupéry's dedication, including all those dots between the words that I mentioned and all the punctuation it added up to 624 characters. And there was a special document that John Dee was renowned for having received now here we get into again the spiritual aspect of it received

1:00:14 Received from who? From angels. If you look into John Dee, John Dee is channeling angels for eight years in Europe keeping it secret writing it in his diaries because he could be burned at the stake for such a thing right In fact we tried to keep it hidden but once he had died and sixty years later or so We find these writings and realize wow this was what he was doing and he's actually got a bum rap because people then even finding it later try to completely do a character assassination on him by writing what a crazy nutcase he was, he was talking to angels and there's a lot of work you can find on John Dee that doesn't paint a very flattering picture because it is written by people who wanted to discredit him. But anyway the point is these angels if indeed that's who we were talking with in seances these angels channeled to him

1:01:17 something called the Enochian Tables and it was channeled to him on 624 in 1584, June 24th. It actually went from June 24th through the 5th to the 26th. It was a very, very long session where the angels are telling him how to construct a grid of a certain length and a certain size and a certain shape... ...and his séance psychic we would call today but then they were called a scryer he had somebody that was receiving the messages because he was clairvoyant from the angels They're delivering these messages to him letters one by one

1:01:55 in the Enochian language, it's a massive story and you have to really get into it but bottom line is they deliver to him a grid called the Enochian tables and its 624 characters. And delivers on June 24th six two four. Now I found that in the gravestone of the monument and dedication to the sonnet 624 characters. Oh well Maybe. This is just pure, regular cryptography. And also just a side note but June 24th was the summer solstice then which is this other weird detail that seems to tie into maybe the connection between us and the spirit world? Maybe that's why messages can come through clear at that time I don't know but the summer solstice in these certain points of the calendar they come up a lot in these types of stories

1:02:52 You got it, absolutely. No it's not...it is absolutely the whole crux of the thing is in those days it was celebrated on 6-4 today the solstices are celebrated as June 21 or 22 but remember the calendar was all out of whack during that time where it was between the Julian calendar and Gregorian calendar that time it was celebrated on June 24th and still is today in certain Scandinavian countries. So there was a significance to this, not only that it goes deeper because June 24th is the feast day of John the Baptist who is the patron saint of who? I don't know Freemasons oh there we go

1:03:39 I was going to say the Knights Templar, but it's all wrapped up in kind of stuff. It's the Egyptian mystery schools and through the Knights Templar then through the Rosicrucians which was the secret society at the time as Shakespeare and John Dee. John Dee was it? In fact most notably there is no proof because this a secret society but lots and lots and lots of evidence points that he was the head of the Rosicrucians along with Francis Bacon and then the Rosicrucian morphed into the Freemasons And so, a particular branch of Freemasons. Royal Arch Freemasonry which has as its symbol the Royal Arch The Royal Arch is about what? It's about the suns movement through the equinox and that point at which the sun is at it highest point Which is what you just said, summer solstice So the entire thing is based around this 624

1:04:30 And then when you realize that, oh but the man that we're told is Shakespeare who spelled his name various ways but was always with a hard A sound. Shaksper so it's shaksper or shagsper or its spelt various ways in these only remaining six signatures But nevertheless its never shake, it's always shak. Shaksper was baptized on 426. April 26th, now in my first book on all of this which took six years to produce I actually prove that's part of the codes and i don't use the word proof lightly it's slam dunk you can see very very clear but the actual baptism

1:05:19 registry in Stratford is not the original. The original has disappeared and the one that is there, that states 426 for Shakspear's baptism There are 50 years of records all written in the same hand, going back way before Shakspear to way past Shakspear. In other words this was very conveniently written to implant that 426 date as the date for which we would associate with shakespeare ultimately another bread crumb that's another break from the four to six is sixty-four reverse and all of the codes all of the codes that shakespeare leaving for us have to work both ways so what i found was in a forwards and backwards there are kinds of clues like this in the first folio big book has all thirty six of shakespeare plays in it most expensive book on the planet most expensive print book in the world

1:06:21 The last one that went on auction was bought by the man who died yesterday, Paul Allen of Microsoft. Paul Allen bid for it at Sotheby's in 2006 and he paid six and a half million dollars for one book First Folio. And when you have a copy or facsimile of it, you see its full of wrong page numbers all the wrong page numbers are part of a code but for instance very very last page in the book should be three nine nine but it's nine nine three backwards and so you end up with this is interesting fascinating thing wow that all about mirror image six two four and four to six,

1:07:07 399 and 993. Everything has to work both ways because it's a part of the principle of Rosicrucianism, there is perfect balance, alchemy, the balancing of opposites light and dark male and female It's all part of the encoding and that is what makes it very elegant and beautiful Anyway this encoding in the Enochian tables with 624 characters Basically I figured out, oh so the grave and the monument and the sonnet's dedication are 624. They must be what is called ciphertexts. Ciphertext points across to another thing which is called plain text. And if you know the key in a ciphertext

1:07:53 which I knew from having done now 14 years research on it, but at the time i got this idea 6 years into it. You know the key he tells you very clearly in the plays and in sonnets and we'll go into that see it online when you know the key oh the keys certain letters that point across so there's letter pointing across from ciphertext to plain text and it tells you a message. But, it's not the complete message It is just part of where you then have to turn it around and make it work in the opposite direction because everything is mirror imagery Bottom line on all this as you do that then gives you a message that tells you to look inside the altar of Holy Trinity Church Stratford Where Shakespeare has left something for us physically Wow! He has left something physical evidence

1:08:44 Now Shakespeare's left nothing. The entire academic story, the official orthodox story is that Shakespeare left nothing! Nothing! There's no paper trail and yet here he is saying I've left something for you and it's in a certain place and you can go look at it, get it It's right there...I'm telling where it is. It's in the altar stone which is about 12 feet from Shakspeare's grave Wow Right and for people who haven't seen the photo of what the altar area looks like in this church. It's very strange because Shakespeare's tomb is almost up on the stage with the altar it's like right next to the altar, it's a very weird place. It's not like it's out in a cemetery outside the church. It's like right up in there and

1:09:27 And there's that off the left and then you have of course the altar and as i've heard you say alter stones contain a pocket that's maybe the size of a deck of cards or something and they're supposed to be. Some kind of relics that relate to this saint that the altar is consecrated too but in this case as u are gonna tell us in the story of the stratford heist, this is quite different yeah yeah So what Greg is saying there is that there's something called a saint's cavity that has to be in a consecrated Catholic altar stone. Now this consecrated Catholic altar stone was first put into the church and it was consecrated in 1208, so 810 years ago. So it's been there a long time and what happens when they consecrate an altar stone

1:10:22 and it has to be the high, the holy of holies. It's called the Holy of Holies Altar Stone, a high altar where mass is celebrated in the mystery of mass and what they do is they cut a hole in the bottom of that stone and that stone is about three tons of solid marble. It's nine foot long three foot wide and a couple of feet deep right so it's big big big block of stone and what they do is they cut out a little portion of it underneath originally back in 1208, and the Catholic Church says that this has to be the holding place for what's called a reliquary.

1:11:04 They put in a little gold or silver or lead box, very interestingly. Gold and silver and lead boxes strike a chord for you there. Yes! Something to do with... Alchemy! And which play? That I don't know. Okay well it's something to do with Merchant of Venice. There is the choice if you must choose the gold or the silver or the lead box in Merchant of Venice in the hand of the fair lady. Anyhow, so the thing is it's got a little gold or silver or lead box inside called a reliquary that is placed inside this hole they cut in the altar called a sepulchrum and Inside that box Rome sends over relics of a saint. Relics would be few slices of bone

1:12:00 some of the saint's writings or a piece of cloth, of the saints clothing. Something but it is all small about the size of a small bigger than a pack playing cards but maybe the size of a small child shoe box and it's placed inside, and then the block of stone is cut a little bit and placed back in and cemented back in underneath. You can't see any of this as this is underneath the altarstone you see the visible top but the underneath part is surrounded by the altar itself And that is then considered holy because its got what the Catholic Church says are parts of the body of a saint

1:12:40 And then they incised five crosses on the surface of that stone which represent the five stigmata wounds of Christ. The two nails in hands, the two nails in feet and a sphere inside And then, when all of that is done then that stone is considered consecrated and a fit vehicle for the mystery of mass. So then you can pray and have Mass and what happens in Mass? The Eucharist which represents the body of Christ, and wine that represents the blood of Christ. And this is the communion, Holy Communion where the recipient is supposed to feel that connection with their particular saviour Jesus Christ Okay so that's Mass and that altar stone is called The Holy Of Holies and it has a name

1:13:37 It derives from the original name of the original Holy of Holies altar stone in Solomon's Temple. Very important to the Freemasons, right? And to the Rosicrucians and to Egypt... well not to Egyptians but to the whole Knights Templar it is all part of Egyptian mystery school mythology that comes down to us about what is sacred and that altar stone is called... in Solomon's temple it would be held inside the place that's called, well it has a Hebrew name that I will get to. Does anybody know? Do you remember what is supposed to be inside that area? It's the Ark of the Covenant. The Ark of the Covenant holds the broken pieces of the Ten Commandments

1:14:31 Okay, now we're back to that story of God saying here's the Ten Commandments. I am that I am Well all of that is in Solomon's Temple it's the most holy worshipped place In the whole mythology of all this and its right It's now where the temple mount is in Jerusalem and the source of the whole Middle East unrest because where the original First Solomon's Temple was and then was destroyed. The interesting thing is, the name of that place, that holy of holies where the Ten Commandments are held were is called in Hebrew the Dvir, the Dvir And one of the candidates for being Shakespeare is Edward Dvir, the 17th Earl of Oxford

1:15:28 And so the people that believe De'vir is Shakespeare had a big surprise when I first revealed this because I revealed it at a Shakespearean conference and said, you know what the Holy of Holies is actually called? It's called the de'vir. And it comes from... The root word in Hebrew is devarim which means word It comes from word and therefore being the holy of holies, it's the sacred word which if you go back to the very very beginnings in the beginning was the Word. The Word was with God and the Word was God. It's the Aum vibration in Eastern religions is this sound that's the word its vibrate vibratory force where there is vibration

1:16:14 and the word for it is De Vir, and vir itself means truth or truly or true in Latin from veritas. And de Vir's name is De Vir his very name is all about this so whether you believe he is the Shakespeare or not I personally have a strong feeling that this is all part of that story very very much so because I see his name over and over and over and over Anyway, bottom line you've got wow! It's point... the codes are saying the truth of my identity is in the Holy of Holies. In the De'Vere. Wow! So I was told that I see that in the codes but I know very well that the codes themselves

1:17:04 Well first of all you have to know that there's a tremendous resistance within the Stratfordian community, the official orthodox story about Shakespeare to any insinuation that he might not be the real writer. Of course and thats understandable because their whole existence for 400 years has been based around this is the guy Right strapped itself is it is a town that lives off shakespeare every hotel cafe and small business has some name associated with people there in the millions, buy the trinkets and the mugs and t-shirts and visit the church all respect i'm not making fun of that at all i mean i understand but i knew that.

1:17:52 I had to get to the church, to tell them that I had found this information that said there's something perhaps very very important in your church. Right it just kind of adds to the difficulty because there is so much money being made off a tourism even the church itself people go there and they pay to get up there and get close to the grave of Shakespeare Exactly We have this big story you know we told us about your personal history there's resistance to. upsetting the apple cart with this mystery but you know it's pointing to the altar stone and you wanna get in there and that's the roadblock that i was referring to earlier because gonna upset the apple car they're not gonna really be very open to just yeah sure let's just crack this thing open and let's lose all our tourism money are there not opened to the risk of their hands parts of your personal story helps too somewhat overcome at risk talk to us about.

1:18:52 Yeah, so the codes are saying it's in the altar. That altar stone is A. Holy relic B. One of the most visited tourist churches and attractions in all of England second behind Tower of London It is protected by 24-hour CCTV cameras Busloads of tourists are arriving continuously all the time every time I've been there busload after busload after busload coming in and flocking to stand there at the grave for a couple of minutes, and then take snap if you fix it come out. It's protected by a forensic system that sprays you with a chemical if you get too near to the altar when your not supposed to be there

1:19:43 or even to the grave, the grave itself is fenced off with a brass rail and you can't just go in and look at it. You can look at it from just the other side of that brass rail but nevertheless suffice to say its all highly protected I'm not going to walk in there and be able to... okay I know what's on the altar, something on the altar Shakespeare left something on the altar think it through if I was to say now Behind this wall here, somewhere in Italy there's another da Vinci. Perhaps a new Mona Lisa? You know should we go and have a look? Nah let's not bother! I mean yeah of course we'd go and have a look if we went and found some basement where you know what under this basement is Beethoven's 10th. We didn't know he wrote his tenth symphony. So shall we have a look

1:20:41 Obviously the world should beat a path to the door of the church and say, my God if there's something in there that... I mean Shakespeare left nothing! There is this big mystery. It could be all the missing manuscripts, right? It could be... it could be the missing manuscripts of Hamlet and Romeo and Juliet and King Lear and Midsomer Night's Dream and Twelfth Night or it could be something new that we've never heard. I mean, it could be anything! Could be a laundry list whatever it is if its a laundry list in his own hand they can slap it up on a wall at a museum and charge whatever they wanted for people to see it for the rest of eternity because it would be the one thing we have of Shakespeare

1:21:19 we have nothing and yet here's news saying he's left something for us and it's right there in a very obvious place the truth is inside the most sacred holy altar stone called the devir, called the truth. Wow so it's there! And I know it's there but I'm going to be strongly resistant and so I had to go and try to many levels this is awkward because i am going to try to find if i can convince them, let me have a close look or you know first of all have a close look but i do know absolutely it's gonna be what you said is a multi billion dollar tourism industry. Can we resisted by the tourism aspect is gonna be resisted on the academic aspect because for

1:22:10 200 years, let's say. Academia has been teaching this story of the man from Stratford who is Shakespeare but there's no life so don't pay any attention don't worry about that we know nothing about him We suppose a lot, we think he must have done this and did that because that's why there are 100 000 books on him But you know... Don't pay any attention to that! We have the works That would be a bit of black eye if it turns out that all been a myth I'm not saying it is, i am just saying that i understand the resistance yes? So you got resistance on all kinds of levels they are not as you said they're just not going to welcome me with open arms and say oh Alan you found something yeah cool well let's open it. It's not gonna happen and i can understand why by the same token i feel an obligation that boy i know this is real

1:23:05 because i've worked on this at that time, I had worked on it for six years. Six going on seven years now and then after fourteen years the whole picture changes yet again but let's get to the point of the altar. At that point I knew he is telling us and if he is telling us and he has gone through all this trouble doing...to make this code to say please look inside the altar left something will answer a lot of questions for you Well, if we really love the man's work don't you think we should do what he is asking us to do? We should. Yeah, and yet it is going to be resisted because of the various vested interests So I go over there now and meet with the vicar And then I meet with various people The head of the Shakespeare Birthplace Trust

1:23:58 On and on I'm meeting resistance, but i am breaking through in some way. I do know that there's obviously... you know they're not corrupt people! They're not the Illuminati! And then they're twisting their curved mustaches saying ah let's keep this truth from the world. They don't know! They don't know! But nevertheless there is that uncomfortable hmmm but what if? We'd rather not know So these two dynamics are at play. I did a lot of things to get into their good graces, I created the

1:24:37 I designed a calendar for them to sell in their gift shops that would help them raise money for the church celestiary windows and we talked about doing, yes as you said, a Davy Jones concert to raise money for them. And all of this was received very nicely and of course like i was genuinely trying to help them because I could see that ideally now you've got to be friends with people you can't be combative I couldn't go there saying, you're a liar. This is not the truth because they're not lying. They just don't know." Right well it's just interesting that they happen to be such fans of Davy and you happened to have an in there so you could kind of like massage your way in that way? Again yeah the divine story that is being written is not

1:25:26 Apparently random so connected on various levels and use what you got to be missed just like i told my friend couple david jones books show is of course i give them sign copies talk about we didn't do the davey jones concert because they passed unfortunately before that can be accomplished but point was, hey will get me in no mean and we liked each other. I knew though that in asking personally the vicar and the other people involved if i could actually do what would be necessary which would radar scan the altar you know just just radar scanning no need to harm it, just pass a ground penetrating radar over it to look and see if there's anything that looks suspicious. You know is there anything in there?

1:26:22 there was a desire at first to say, yeah we really should. I feel uncomfortable not giving mass at that altar stone because the bottom line is if there's something in there that shouldn't be in there it is by definition then desecrated meaning it should only have the saints relics in there, but the codes are telling me Shakespeare and John Dee, the real Shakespeare whoever that was and John Dee must have put something in there because they say so. They've put something in here to tell you about the story of why there's a mystery

1:27:02 Now that mystery might be just that the man from Stratford was a recusing Catholic and couldn't reveal his true Catholicism because we were now in Elizabeth's reign, and Protestantism was in. And you know those were very troubled times so it might be that...it might just be that but he had to hide his identity because of that So it needn't hurt the church But nevertheless, there's also the possibility that it is someone else and they don't want that possibility. And so I was in a very difficult position myself of...I didn't want to deceive these people and in fact I told a couple of people that it was definitely my intention to get in there, to scan it when I asked permission from the vicar and he said he couldn't give me permission but that I should go ask the bishop of the dioceses

1:27:52 So I did, i had to make an executive decision knowing full well that if i went and asked the bishop of the diocese thats the next possibility. If that bishop said Nah, can't do it. Not interested." I'd be done! I would never gain access again because they'd be suspicious of me if i kept on coming to the church and being close...I had already filmed a couple times there and taken photographs up close every square inch of the altar you know? They know then that Alan wants to get in there we better watch him carefully. I knew I would never have an opportunity to actually find the truth And it might just be cut off

1:28:31 from me as a possibility and therefore cut off from the world in other words i really have this obligation to say if i'm gonna do this on the only person who suspects it's there knows that codes and i got a scan so i did go and scanning. Without permission because i knew i had two then i went to the bishop later and ask for mission and was essentially denied which i knew what happened but at least i had the insurance of having already scanned it and if he had then said yes you can just give me a scan i went over in order to say alright well actually saved in trouble so you probably want to know how i did it right.

1:29:18 All right, so after basically six visits to Stratford and working with them for about four years I was in their good graces. And they liked me and they knew that I'd written a musical about Shakespeare So I asked permission to actually produce a show at Shakespeare's grave Right there in the chancel on Shakespeare's birthday The official birthday April 23rd when there'd be a congregation and the whole town would be celebrating, and I would play and perform excerpts from my musical. Now actually did two trips in order to accomplish this in the first trip was basically a dummy run dress rehearsal of it in which there wasn't audience still and we put up I put up a banner in front of the altar advertising music

1:30:16 So it was a big band about 12 foot by 9 feet in front, hiding the album. saying Bard, the musical by Alan William Green. And then there's a piano in front of it and we were filming and all this whole thing going on until the last number during this show I said let's... Now bear in mind what about the forensic system that sprays you? Well I'm doing a show there so they had to turn that off! So that's turned off. We've succeeded not having THAT But of course the 24-hour CCTV cameras are still happening and I had to disable them. So in a spy movie, well I would have gone up on a step ladder and sprayed black paint over the CCTV cameras wouldn't i? If this was Ocean's 14 15 16 or whatever... but this wasn't a spy movie! This was happening in real life and I couldn't just spray over the cameras

1:31:15 So I figured out a way, we planned it and rehearsed it. We got this whole thing and then said alright for the last number I want candles all around the piano. I'm going to be singing this song to the Shakespeare monument singing sonnet 18 The famous sonnet shall I compare thee to a summer's day Let's turn all the church lights off And do this by candlelight so its utter darkness Just the flicker of candle light So we defeated the CCTV cameras behind the scenes behind the banner while i'm singing i had a team somebody scanning with radar and somebody else filming it in night vision so that we would have proof that we've done. Did you need anything we put a coating of paper coating over the also lines on it to help

1:32:09 the guy in this minimal minimal tiny flickering light of that candles to just show through where you can see the line so he knew we would scan straight. Scan it i'm singing for three minutes all done finish they disappear close up close thank you goodnight and that was it and we have a scam and i took that scan too two of the leading radar labs in America independently so that they both did the checking of it, the analysis of it. independent of each other and all i told them was that this is a scam of a piece of rock, what we believe might have a hole in it but somebody might put something in the middle where it wasn't because they didn't need to know that i just you know obviously just said. Will you check it analysis came back two weeks later

1:33:04 Both of the labs called me a separate time saying, Mr. Green you said you're looking for small hole that should show up as little blue area where the saint's cavity is right? Where this little reliquary is They said we don't understand though it seems to be blue all over The stone seems to be basically hollow and of course I went Yes! Yeah, it's a much bigger cavity than is supposed to be there. Much bigger 250 times the size it's supposed to be and not only that and they both came out with the same result And in that result you can see these little bit of this online I haven't posted them all but You can see That they're different gradations of density In the scan that show you that there's something in there

1:34:00 we can't see what we want but it's full of stuff so yeah i was like and the scan is right and the codes are right when it's all there. So then once I had that, I went back to church and went to the bishop And told him the whole story but not the scanning and I said you know, i believe these codes say that it's there. Will you give me permission to scan or? Or even...I'll pay for it! You know and its yours whatever is theirs is yours if there was something there as a safe put in a museum and put on a world tour King Tut's tomb tour you know what would be the biggest story in literature ever right make a fortune

1:34:46 but i could see in his you know his eyes the glint of yeah and I might also find out that it's not our guy. And so he said to me, the bishop said, I'll have to take it to a higher authority and I knew that was The Kiss Of Death! That's why I had already scanned it I didn't want to do it. I didn't want to have to do this deceitful thing, but i had to and... It was a very awkward situation because honestly we would never know otherwise. It would never come to light because I would never have been allowed to do it that I asked. Right the story is too important and what it reveals is too important so you really just kind of had to force your way in a little bit but I guess

1:35:34 I'm the bad guy if you want to blame me. The point is, I did it because for the world... For Shakespeare he wanted us to know and as far as the world's concerned there are hundreds of millions of Shakespeare fans who will say course i want to know what Shakespeare left for us so on the website there's a voting mechanism where you go and just say vote do you want it? Yes! I wanna know what Shakespeare left for us or no, I'm not interested. Let's leave it another 400 years." Bit of a tongue-in-cheek question and we haven't really promoted it very much so far but so far about 12000 votes saying yes and maybe 200 saying no because that is about typical you get those few people saying no don't want to know

1:36:19 There's a couple of tricksters out there always but that is really full circle the big overarching story and now it is just about trying to break through that resistance generate interest and open at altar stone hopefully in a public fashion, but that's basically where we are. That's what we are and we have a plan and I can't go into great detail yet but i can tell you that if you stay tuned please go to the website and vote, www.tobeornottobe.org and just click the button that says Vote but look at the other videos that are there because you will see this story goes even deeper I think we've got about 15 minutes left so maybe i can tell you how much deeper it goes but essentially thats the first goal is if we can open that altar stone

1:37:13 well we've got to convince the church of the necessity to open that altar stone and there are various reasons why in fact once this story gets known it will be inevitable they have to open it because, well on one level there is a spiritual obligation too. Because if there is something in there and I've now proven it with the scan That means that by definition this consecrated altar stone, where they say mass is actually in a state of desecration. If there's something else in it the church says Catholic Church says if there's something else in there It must be reconsecrated! It must be opened The offending materials must be removed and it must be reconsecrated otherwise

1:38:01 I mean you've got people praying at an altar that is desecrated and that opens up an interesting spiritual conundrum. Are my prayers answered? What about my Aunt Agnes, who I have been praying for...is she still in purgatory? I mean, seriously. I'm not a Catholic but i'm not making fun of that! I'm just saying that's their belief and wow... In fact the vicar said to me he felt some discomfort about the idea of continuing to give mass at at that altar if there were something there. He didn't know that I'd scanned it and he didn't see it, but the point is still he had that understanding that well in fact this situation...I better be um... I better be aware that this makes me uncomfortable so they have a spiritual obligation to do it secondly you know what Catholic Church This is not technically a Catholic church anymore It's what they call Catholic Light

1:39:02 because it's Church of England. But that doesn't mean the Catholic church has no vested interest in the outcome of this, because that is actually a Catholic altarstone consecrated originally in 1208 without going too much into details I think the Catholic church could use a good story right now Yeah they've got some bad ones out there that they could definitely balance out to say the least So as we're starting to close this thing out, is there anything people can do besides just vote? Because I worry that a million people could vote and i don't know that they would care about some anonymous email addresses and a big list that was formed online. I just feel like they could dismiss that but I don't know it...I just feel people are probably pretty charged up about this Is there any further help or energy we can put into it to try to push this thing through

1:39:55 Thank you, I very much appreciate that and all i would say for right now is just do that first step. Before that first step reaches much further I will have an announcement coming in the new year as to a very very exciting development in this. I can't say it right now because it involves strategy and it involves Going to see the church first to discuss it with them But I will tell you it will we are that we are going to find a way to open that altar It is going to happen and I will be able to reveal that And I'm not being coy. Honestly, it's just that it has to happen in a certain order but things have been happening for me very very very thick and fast recently over the past couple of months

1:40:39 where I have helpers coming to the fore at last. It's a great joy, it was a privilege to be doing it. It is joyful thing and I laugh at myself silly almost every time I find something. You go my god this guy was so clever! Oh my goodness beautiful elegant wonderful way till the world finds out about us but nevertheless yes its lovely. Okay, so this is a perfect way to end it. Going back to that whole full circle to manifest and you know once I had that experience in the desert driving back and then I was given that grace of recognizing that its okay just ask me ill give you a record deal ill give you whatever you asked for

1:41:31 don't have to ask for a million because you just asked for what you need, because then when I need the next i can just ask that next one and it's always been fulfilled from me ever since then. Seriously honestly! I can only say driving back from that experience as pulling us coming into Los Angeles area and looking at things that are in such change consciousness i honestly didn't understand i looked bank I don't know which one, Wells Fargo or Chase or whatever. So a bank...I didn't understand what it meant. I thought, what? Bank?! What is a bank? Why would you even need a bank! I've got this bank in my heart. If i can just ask for what I need and then its there

1:42:16 That's the state that I was given, which as they say faded. But it was just like why would you? There is another level of consciousness that we all are so loved that we don't even know the first step of how deeply that, what that means. That we are the I am that I am and then the whole game is to uncover it and so when i see this whole wow you know this common thought is that there's the writer

1:43:03 is hidden inside and there's a mask covering him, this Shakespeare mask. But there's somebody that's the real writer somewhere inside hidden, that he's used this mask. That's the common thought when you look at the Marlow story and the De Beers story and the Bacon story. Everybody assumes that this man from Stratford is just a cover and that he was somehow devious, that he stole the identity of the real Shakespeare. And I just believe it's not that at all. Whoever it was, he came to actually give us a metaphor

1:43:41 and that metaphor is the real truth, the vir, the devir of the word of the holy of holies altar stone. That's what's inside all of it but at the same time we are undoubtedly wandering around like idiots right? We're all bottom in Midsummer Night's Dream wearing an ass's head aren't we? When we're in a state of delusion we don't know who we are right? And that's what Midsummer Night's Dream is about the donkey head, right? We're all asses. But he's telling us no I didn't get this... my identity was not stolen by this country bumpkin character, this bottom, this person who has no education and never traveled anywhere we're the same being it's all one that truth with the veer is inside and you are it

1:44:41 You are the whole thing. We are that deluded character in Mid-Seminite's dream wandering around, but we all also the real divine writer inside He hid his identity behind a mask in order to tell us a spiritual truth That is the human condition. We all are that Right And that what so comforting to me Wow, this is a great being. A great soul who comes to earth to actually live out play out enact something that will tell us the truth and he actually hides his own identity as part of that in order to convey it once we find him. We go oh my goodness so there is Nick yeah! That makes sense to me the spiritual story of well you know just Christ say no ye not that ye are gods

1:45:38 and these things that I do, ye shall do greater things we're all God you are a it's inside of you but you have forgotten because your part in the play and the whole journey the puzzle is to re-find it. And thats what he has done with these codes and the hiding of the identity its just the same thing as creation when you realize it goes back otherwise how else can make sense of things like What? There are beings who made these symbols for Saturn and Jupiter that knew the volumes of those planets or that the original name for the Holy of Holies is the D'Vir. That's 2,000-3,000 years old! Why does someone incarnate now with the name D'vir and hide the vir – the truth inside the altar which is the D'vir

1:46:33 It's all so interwrapped, it's an enigma within an enigma within an enigma. But it is a puzzle! The same puzzle that we all face in trying to find out who we are past the Shakespeare story and thats why its such a great fun thing privileged to have been, to be involved in it and I honestly think we are going find out more and more. So you asked the ultimate question of trial answers so what can you do? Bring it to other people's attention please whatever way you can just have them do the vote because I promise within two or three months at most

1:47:14 we're going to renounce something public that is going to be very, very big. And it's going to be an alliance where we are going to get the church to open it and they will feel comfortable opening it because they will be treated properly as well It's not...we're not out to get them We're out just bring them truth to the world and it will be a beautiful truth, it's not something where somebody stole some identity. It just is a beautiful metaphor wrapped up in a wonderful story as you would expect from Shakespeare. All the worlds are staged, its just a drama

1:47:52 Well, cheers to all that Alan. Your work is clearly amazing I can't believe you've been able to decode all this stuff and i'm just itching to get that damn altar stone open now! I really appreciate you being here keep it up and we will await the announcement and vote in the meantime Thank you thank you Greg. I appreciate very much for the opportunity to share with your Your listeners and yeah promise you when i will let you know we'll have another show on it where we can review it to everybody. Thank you i look forward to until then take care. You too man sweet red dead redemption week people boom goes the dynamite alan green and shakespeare mystery, a very unique kind of show involving some other shadowy reoccurring characters we seem to run into quite often

1:48:44 And this whole story really does point to a real actionable step towards uncovering the mystery. That's kind of been my theme lately, I'm... A little over these stories that don't lead us anywhere and i want to spend time on stories that might speak to something verifiable whether it scans in Helsinki or scans an altar stone at the church of the holy trinity in Stratford England I think this mystery is fascinating. It really is like a real life National Treasure adventure and I love the boldness of doing that scan under the radar, very cunning

1:49:20 to enact such a magic trick, such a Kansas City shuffle by hosting that live performance that has everyone's attention. Truly a Danny Ocean move! It is very much like something out of a movie and I am just in awe of Alan's ability to pull that off and just the whole decoding in general honestly we would be lucky to uncover something half as compelling in our lifetimes If you watch his videos about the whole saga and the sonnet structure, and just all the decoding. It really is something he should be proud of I've got a lot of respect for the work Also as in episode of THC this show clocks in closer to 2 hours 20 minutes overall And it really didn't fit that well into our traditional framework here

1:50:10 But the beauty of this structure is that it does have a lot of flexibility. And yes, Plus people pay for an extra hour and exclusive hour. As Plus members I do hope most are just happy with getting a good show that's over two hours. I hope that's more important than how much other people didn't get to hear but i couldn't just cut it off at the 60 minute mark this time or people wouldn't have gotten to the heart of this story We would have only been halfway through Alan's musical career and that would be a terrible place to leave free listeners hanging. And I do care about that, I always try to make sure the show is cut in a way that still feels complete on the free side of things because i'm not looking to scam anyone or trick them or overly tease them

1:51:00 I don't want you to end the free show frustrated. I've listened to shows like that, this is just a model that provides consistency and autonomy for me and keeps us away from advertisers. I always want to be fair and i remember the days when i was just lucky to have a couple thousand people's attention! And i still feel that way. I don't want to waste your time and i don't want to disrespect you by giving you half a story so the free show is a little extended for sure And while it isn't the main attraction in this story, I do appreciate some of the insights we got from a walkthrough of Alan's career. It ties into several interesting points and provides a nice template for manifestation and the power of thinking you can how synchronicities work

1:51:49 I just thought we would cover that aspect in about 15 minutes rather than 45 minutes. And you probably heard me try to hurry it along at times, but the reality is if a story is only half told you kind of just need to go with the flow and let it be told. But again how interesting that his producer at one point only wanted to invest in the release of a song about an underage girl? I thought that was worth filing away in the context of some of the other shows we've done about the music industry And he didn't throw this in today but another tellings of the story i've heard alan mentioned that they wanted him to work under the persona mad jack which. Obviously phonetically magic and that's also kinda interesting maybe it's just wordplay you know how marketers can be what are all the words too invoke its that one,

1:52:39 Fun little synchromystic connection with Chris Knowles' work as well. I didn't plan on bringing that up in the interview, but Alan broached it and so i tried to just run through it real quick But it is funny how it hits the Liz Frazier stuff from two sides The Monkees TV show and this mortal coil being a Shakespeare quote. I definitely plan to talk to you about that here in the wrap-up of course I do like allen's life story because it so true that had he not developed himself as a musical artist and, form such a strong and statistically improbable bond with david jones he would not have been able to get that scan of the altar. And thats really the point going into his personal career history

1:53:26 picking up on these things that later become insane synchronicities. And yeah, the pacing might have been a bit off today but as I said we started trying to get this interview done over a year ago and then those wildfires hit California so maybe the details of the THC show structure were not fresh in Alan's mind Why should they be? That's my concern But I think if you're with me at this point and you got to the part where it all comes full circle around this altar stone Then I think you've been introduced to something pretty provocative and i do urge everyone to just go to YouTube and watch the Stratford Heist. It's really great to see the visuals of the scan, how the concert and banner were set up it is 13 minutes long and a great follow-up if you are intrigued by this Shakespearean saga Also vote on the website link will be in show notes

1:54:21 Because it's important to Alan. I'm not as convinced of the value of the voting as Alan is, but it is not my story and this is what he is asking us and I hope we can give him that since he gave us such a compelling story just as a token of respect for his dedication. And I hope it does become an important aspect of getting into this next step I also really look forward to hearing this announcement as well. That's great that we have something to look forward too, but though our free plus split was thus a bit askew... Plus people did get to hear some interesting added elements like how the mathematical code relates to the Great Pyramid and its overall historical importance

1:55:07 We also talked about the alchemical connection, the underlying value of knowing reality's blueprints. Why Alan doesn't see Sir Francis Bacon as the true identity of Shakespeare and also the Saturn-Jupiter connection That is a wild one So there are still a lot of compelling added elements in The Plus Show plenty of reasons to sign up at thehighersidechatsplus.com Don't forget We also knocked out one hell of a THC joint session last week. I got quite tipsy by the end of that, don't know how important or necessary that was but it did happen!

1:55:44 I walked out to have dinner with my wife and she was not expecting what she got. But that's what happens when i'm having a good time shooting the breeze with you guys, and man we really did have some high quality calls! I'm really humbled to just see how knowledgeable some of the listeners are how awesome their life experiences have been it really was a great time I have had some plus people express frustration or confusion over not finding the information about it. I have seen your comments, and that's gotta be my bad! Of course, I mentioned it on every show this month October 25th at 7 p.m., but that doesn't tell you how to find it or how to call in... And I did post the information on Facebook and Twitter hours before

1:56:30 I know, not a platform that i like but this is kind of the only big way to communicate with an audience outside of the actual show. So please you know a few hours before the joint sessions just look at my Facebook or Twitter hold your nose and dive into these social media dystopian platforms just to get that information and I'm sure it will be the top post there you won't have to be there for long I will also post the details on the Plus site like a regular post and then i'll just change that post to the actual joint session when it's ready to go up. All I really do is try to cut down on that downtime at the beginning, you don't need seven minutes of me trying to get the damn thing to go live on YouTube

1:57:14 And the joint sessions as a live, unprepared-for thing are a bit slow and casual. But as an extra, and as a way to spend time with the audience in a productive and positive way I think it is a lot of fun! I've also put a reminder in the monthly Hireside Herald. You can sign up for that at thehiresideschats.com One monthly newsletter should be the first week of the month and that will have joint session info, future guest disclosure probably a critic of the month just for fun and some my ramblings about the months offerings and probably some deals in there too maybe for plus but definitely probably stuff for the merch store

1:57:58 I did get a new shipment of grinders. They were sold out for a few weeks but i have more now who couldn't use the fresh high quality four chamber metal grinder with a keef scoop at the bottom for good measure I don't know anyone. But that is our show, a very unique saga happy to have Alan here to tell it i hope we all had a good time and i will see you tomorrow October 31st with another show so as Scar would say be prepared and i'll see ya then your move Shakespearean secret keepers mainstream story sustainers and religious authorities standing in the way of the big reveal Your fucking movie.

1:59:00 Don't be sheep to your slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed but you're getting warm You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did ya get the memo? Can't you see that we're so screwed? Don't you know where our c- Can't you just admit we're screwed I'm gonna tell you this anyway It's a scary world, I'm scared yet everyday Can't you see that we're so- You sit and wish but we don't have a choice It seems we're stuck here But you can find no sis, drown out the noise Now use that altar End up your magic game And listen to THC

2:00:12 Don't be sheep to your slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed but you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did ya get the memo? Can't you see that we're so screwed? Don't you know we're our Kung Fu'd? Can't you just admit we're screwed I'm gonna tell you this anyway It's a scary world Can't you see that we're so, yeah

2:01:18 Don't be sheep to your slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed but you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did ya get the memo? Can't you see that we're so screwed? Don't you know we're our Kung Fu'd? Can't you just admit we're screwed I'm gonna tell you this anyway It's a scary dark world Something scarier every day Can't you see that we're so screwed?