Aaron Murakami | Aether Physics 101, Open Systems, & Free Energy Devices

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01:51 Alright, Hiresight Shatters. We have been dazzled by the stories and mystique of Tesla technology, free energy devices, electro-gravitic flying saucers and the mysterious ether for plenty of past episodes We've heard of several exotic technologies based on these themes and their forward-thinking radical inventors, people like T Townsend Browne, Victor Schauberger and Wilhelm Reich all long past dead. And their explosive genius largely reduced to a whisperer. And one has to wonder if their technologies worked where are they now? If the ether is a real usable medium why isn't it being used all these years later how can it still remain such a secret

02:35 Well, people it is out there. You just need to know where to look Of course the scientific and technological gatekeepers have been doing their damnedest to corral the bright minds of the scientifically inclined into the limiting pen of conventional physics But you might not know that in modern times brighter minds have resisted those Scientific Shepherds and have been studying and teaching the forbidden knowledge of ether physics amongst themselves And those who would listen all along And one of the most knowledgeable people immersed in the secret science scene is today's guest, Aaron Murakami. Aaron has authored and produced several books, presentations and films like The Quantum Key – The Ultimate Guide to Taboo Physics, Free Energy & Debunking Mainstream Pseudoscience

03:16 as well as Hacking the Ether, A Course in Mind Power, Water Fuel Secrets and several others. In 2008 he also co-founded ANP Electronic Media which has helped to spread the word with over 40 ebooks and lectures and is largely considered the best source of information in the free energy sciences But his most interesting credit in the eyes of your humble host is that Aaron is the main man behind the Energy Science and Technology Conference. These annual conferences, several years running are held in northern Idaho close to Spokane Washington and have been attended by people from all over the world To date there have been about nine machines demonstrated at this conference that were over unity more than all other conferences combined So this really is where the rubber meets the road And I can't wait to get down to it

04:02 A free energy advocate, bucker of bizarro world science and teacher of the ether. Aaron my man welcome to THC. Hey thank you for having me on the show Greg much appreciated You got it this is a real treat i have been looking into the secret science conferences because, i'm sort of sick of the vague mystical conversations around these topics and I wanted to just sort of dive in see what's actually out there and when you look into the free energy conference scene it does not long before your run into aron murakami let me tell ya. And im glad we can get to some practical technologies and machines but first

04:40 let's break down the conventional paradigm. You've called conventional physics bizarro world and mainstream science pseudoscience, and I like that boldness but how do you start this conversation with people who don't realize anything is wrong? How do we make the case that mainstream science is so backwards and inaccurate?" Well back in two thousand six this is when my primary work was i don't know how food store and at that time i had already known john bernie and peter lindemann and some of the other big names in the so called free energy world. And what i put together the book quantum key to me one of most important chapters it was the chapter on open vs closed systems because its really,

05:22 What concept that's so simple better child can understand it and what's the average person can understand that is possible to have a system produce more on the output than what you put in. It's not more going out than going in it's more going up and what we put in so common sense would say that implies that there is extra input from somewhere else. And when the average person can relate that concept of things that are all around them and their everyday life, did it becomes a possibility and then we can kind of build from there Right i really do like that open systems vs close systems thing because that has been really a big component of guys like victor shopper he talked about that a lot that nature is a big open system and things influence each other, add me in the human body everything it's kind of an open system because you can think of the human body as like one contained then meet suit but then no if your breathing air that outside stimuli if u.

06:20 put yourself in a cold environment your inner heart rate is going to raise so really everything is kinda connected and that's kind of the point behind this open systems point right. Yeah absolutely and when really looking at it for what it is, one can only come to conclusion that there are only open systems and not the full concept of closed systems that shut off to you know everything else around it just really doesn't exist Fair enough and so the ether itself i mean this is a provocative term that gets people thinking all kinds of crazy stuff and it does seem to be one of the main missing puzzle pieces that snaps the whole thing into view how do you define it and describe it for people.

07:03 Well, the ether is the fundamental stuff which pretty much everything is made of. Not only tangible items but space in and of itself is the ether it's not... Space is filled with ether but wherever that ether is that is what space is and you know if you look at this field long enough for pretty much any branch of physics that goes down into fundamentals The ether is denied wholeheartedly by all the so-called experts And one thing that, you know everybody who thinks they're an expert in physics is going to point out that oh well Nicholson Morley their experiment back in late 1800s with their interferometer experiment which is bouncing different light beams around and seeing whether they get to a destination at the same time or if there's little time delay. What they were doing was trying to see if the idea of an ether wind existed or not and their experiment

08:00 failed to show that. Well, they weren't really setting out to debunk the ether because if you listen a lot of the so-called experts today they're gonna say oh well Nicholson Morley debunked the ether. They found that there was no ether and that's absolutely not even close to being true. They only failed to find evidence in favor of the Ether Wind model but what usually left out of the conversation is one of the biggest players in history in that science who was somebody named Dayton Miller And Dayton Miller is somebody who Einstein was in correspondence with and Dayton Miller was personally working with Nicholson himself, and it was very well known during that time. It was Dayton Miller who actually did find a positive result

08:39 His experiments basically pointed out that there is in fact an ether, but that's pretty much been scrubbed out of the textbooks. I have different friends who have multiple degrees quite a few of them have degrees in physics and not one single one ever heard the name Dayton Miller in all their years at universities. Isn't that curious? They teach Einstein but not Dayton Miller. And Michelson-Morley is an interesting thing for people who aren't super familiar They took to light beams and bounce them into all four directions thinking that once they hit the end point they would be off because one of them what have been within the current of the ether like this are you say either when do i thought it was a current that load in one direction

09:24 And that seems to be inaccurate, but you are right. That not detecting something is absolutely not the same as debunking it fully they just failed to detect it because they expected it to be measurable in a way that it's actually not measurable. Is that basically the summary? It is, yeah and that's absolutely correct that just because you can't find evidence for something does not mean that your automatically debunking it. But when you look at this entire so-called free energy field and you look a lot of these people who are passing themselves off as being skeptics and who are only there quote so called to help and I've seen plenty those people over the years at both my forums mostly energetic forum dot com where people come in there like well we

10:08 We just want to help you understand what you're looking at. But when you look at their attitude and their mindset and mentality, what they take is if there's not evidence of something then it must be false and it can't exist. And that's just completely unscientific but they are the ones who are portraying themselves as being the most scientific so its completely hypocritical So looking at what Nicholson Morley did Just as you described bouncing these light beams around in this ether wind What they were looking for was whether or not there was a static type of ether that just kind of sat there statically as the earth is spinning in it. And if the ether is still, but the Earth is spinning then you create an apparent ether wind relative to the Earth moving through it just like if a child is trying to fly a kite out into field and if there's no wind well he can create his own wind by running so thats creating an apparent wind relative to the movement of the kite

11:04 And that's what Nicholson Morley failed to find evidence of. But that is not the only ether model, there are more dynamic type of ether where the ether is actually in movement itself even though the earth is spinning through it and its not a static ether and these are kind of going into some other concepts that have been validated by many experiments over the last century but they don't get any recognition Right and now is gonna be my next question for you as basically if their experiment was an incorrect way to detect the ether what is the right way we can actually detected or the right way to think about it versus the weight they had in there model. Will they want to deny the ether but when looking at it basically ties everything together

11:50 Einstein's original model was like an elastic etheric type model and little by little you can see through his correspondence over the years. He didn't really deny the ether very much, a lot of people portray Einstein as being the big debunker because of his theories of relativity that is not true what he was really saying is that the ether wasn't necessary for his theory of relativity to hold up which is a big difference from saying that there is no ether. He's just saying it wasn't necessary for the ether to be there, to have the effects of relativity but when looking at it for what it is and when we start looking into gravity and potential in the nature energy in and of itself We can see that the whole foundation of physics is completely false And I know thats a bold claim

12:41 But when looking at a couple simple examples, we can see that there has to be an ether or something because the entire concept of storing potential or conservation momentum, conservation energy and these types of ideas just don't hold up. My favorite example is just looking at gravitational potential Everybody knows that if you lift an object, that takes real work to lift an object. You know if you lift one kilogram object to 1 meter That's maybe one joule of energy that's dissipated It's not just potential it's actually energy that's burned If a bulldozer is lifting up a bunch of dirt into the air obviously it takes work to do that Well what the common idea is

13:26 As you're lifting that object, you're storing potential in the gravitational field. Well just looking at it from a more mechanical point of view or a mechanically inclined point of view well how can you store something that you just used up? You know when a bulldozer is using gasoline to lift a bunch of dirt up into the air, you're not storing gasoline potential in the gravitational field, you just used it up because you have less gasoline than you started with And people are gonna say, well when that dirt is dropped down onto the ground or you lift an object up into the air and you drop it. You're getting out what you put into it but those concepts are completely false I mean if you look at It takes energy to lift an object That means what you got out of it Is a lift in and of itself If you expended X amount of joules To lift an object Up Into The Air What you got out Of it was the Lift of that Object Now When you Drop That Object and its released

14:23 What's interesting is that the common mindset is, well you get the same amount of work out of it on impact when that object hits the ground. You're releasing what you put into it and so if people are brainwashed into thinking that your storing potential in the object up into that gravitational field and thats what your getting out of it then there no need for the ether because they're making intrinsic to the object itself as the storage for that potential, but you can't store potential that you just used up. So if you used one joule to lift an object into the air, that one joule is completely dissipated there's nothing else left But when you drop that object yes there is an equivalent of 1 Joule of work thats going to be done in heat deformation on impact and so forth Heat is created so that real work That equal to the work it took to lifted

15:16 Well, where did that come from? And it shows that there is a gravitational potential which has to be coming external from the object because if you just look at the math well force times distance is the Newtonian equation of how much work it took to lift an object and MGH is mass times gravity times height says well that object at that certain height has exact same potential as work used to lift it. It took work to lift it and there's work coming out of it which means one plus one equals two, one plus one does not equal one. And that is what they want you to believe people don't see it that way but thats in effect what the basic third grade mathematics and seventh grade equations are going to show Is that if you took 1 jewel to lift the object when it drops and hits the ground get a jewel out of it which means

16:06 A total of two jewels a work were demonstrated but you only put in one. Well if you put in one and you have a calculable amount the work that was done thats double that, that means extra had to come from somewhere which is from gravitational field which means it's coming from the ether or whatever external medium you want to call it so in the Einsteinian world all All of that is stored in the gravitational field whereas when you look at it for what it is, it has to be coming from external from ourself which means there isn't medium that is contributing to pushing on object and natural real source of potential is is the ether and not this idea that your story potential in the

16:46 Gravitational field i mean you know if you drive a car up the hill and have one gallon of gas in driving driving driving to make it to the top of pikes peak. In colorado or whatever other high mountain that your climbing up to when you get to the top of the mountain there's no more gasoline in the car, right used up the gas unit stored gasoline potential anywhere and so you have a real measurable amount of work that took to get up the hill and when he turned around and you let off emergency break me close to neutral all the way back down Well you're obviously not rolling that car down the hill from gasoline potential that you stored because you already use it up so where is it coming from its obviously not stored somewhere because he just used it out. Which means you are getting extra potential from somewhere else thats able to do real work and this is what has been in front of everybody's face for hundreds of years, and you know it's not that these newtonian equations are incorrect they're incorrectly being applied

17:40 right you know force times distance and mass time's gravity times height to determine what the gravitational potential is those equations are accurately giving what the numbers are but the perspective has changed in so if u see that you are indeed getting an equal amount can you add those together, the total amount of work is obviously common sense shows you and any child can see it, that more work is being done than what you put in. And it's coming from external So there isn't ether and when looking at it from that perspective the entire Einsteinian model falls apart as does the bare foundation of fundamental physics where they're inaccurately claiming that you can actually store potential when nothing could be further from the truth

18:21 Right so in other words just to make sure i got this instead of examples you're giving instead of thinking of these things is like an action and reaction part of one process two separate processes one that disrupts the equilibrium kinda moving something off the ground and then a second process that brings it back too, the equilibrium before u put in the work. Yeah absolutely, they're sequential. So the first step is you lift an object Real work is being done. Heat is being created and that's a definable, calculatable amount of work and then if and when the object is allowed to be released then gravity comes in pushes on the object which has external potential from yourself because you're not contributing anything anymore so obviously it's coming from the environment And that second step is that fresh gravitational potential comes in and extra work is being done and you can add them together and its more than what you put into

19:22 And so it's not more out than going in is more out and what we put in so they are sequential absolutely that's a very important point to understand the distinction. Right on right on and so some of this stuff is a little bit hard to grasp without visual aid but the most helpful for me when trying to understand either was, the way gravity affects a planet I've heard people tell me that gravity is a push not a pull but how does that work using a planet as an example tell us about this displacement situation. Yes so the push theory and i'm not the first one to come up with the push theory of gravity i thought it was when i came out with it because i never heard of it,

20:03 Everybody is very with concept of a gravitational pull but reality there is no gravitational pull it is a gravitational push and objects to push down to the ground. And so we look at just get the idea what displacement is this is volumetric displacement was a bowling ball, can you put that bowl in water or water is gonna rise by the volume of the ball and that's very well known, and that's volumetric displacement. Whatever the volume is that ball is occupying it's going to displace and push the water apart, and that water's gonna rise by the same volume as what that ball displaced in. Now there's something called mass displacement which isn't limited just to surface of a ball I mean there's you know couple holes on bowling balls for your fingers but I mean its not like a sponge, it solid and water is limited too

20:53 pushing back down on the ball just on a surface. Well if you have like planet earth for example, the earth has quite a bit of mass I mean it's relatively small planet to a lot of different planets out there but compared us it's fairly large mass and large enough to have gravitational effects well as the Earth is sitting in space its going to displace the ether just like a bowling ball was displacing water in a tub as the earth is displacing the ether outwards. The ether is trying to push back down on the earth just like water is trying to push back down on a bowling ball, the difference is on the bowling ball the water is pushing back down on the ball but it stopped at the surface of the ball because you can't go any further where's the earth

21:38 You know the so-called atomic matrix of what makes up all matter has a lot of empty space compared to you know, so called physical spaces more empty than it is solid. And what happens is as the earth is pushing the ether out and displacing it, the ether is pushing back down on the surface at a planet but that ether is able to move through all the space of all the matter moving back down towards where it was displaced from, which means the ether is coming from the outside and is moving down towards the surface pushing on every object as it makes its way back down towards the center of the earth. It does not reach an equilibrium

22:18 And the reason is because i think tesla might have been the first one to point this out and it's kind of difficult find this reference online but he said something to the effect of electrons are also created in center of the earth and a rise to the surface like artesian water. What happens with the ether is as its rebounding back towards the center of the earth, There's different types of interactions where they create different particles such as electrons, so to speak which flow to the surface of the earth. So it's in constant movement as it is creating these electrons and so as the ether is moving in a downward direction

22:55 Let's just take an example of like a block of wood and a block of lead well what is not very dance compared to the black of red even if they're both one cubic foot. One cubit would basically be the volume of space that you're taking up but it way very different because The letters under a lot more effective gravity than the wood is because you can obviously lift up one. You put block of wood fairly easily but when you try to live the block of lead it's same size but united hardly be able to budget and what happens is inside the atomic matrix of each of those,

23:31 there's a lot more empty space in the wood compared to the lead. So as the ether is moving from above down through both objects, there's a lot more matter there in the lead to push on... There are more nucleus of atoms in that lead for the ether to push on compared to the wood. Let's take an analogy of a river flowing to make it little bit more simple if you have a river flowing and you have a one inch mesh net that you try to drag through the water, that's like the wood. It is more open and more spacious and the water can move through that one-inch mesh really easy with not much resistance That is why you can drag the net through the water pretty easy That is like lifting the object up against gravity with not much effect And now let us take a net of 1mm mesh

24:22 that's representing a lot more dense atomic matrix in that lead and if you try to drag that one millimeter mesh net through the river flowing at the exact same rate, there is a lot more of that net to hit on which means your going to experience a lot more resistance. And thats like the ether trying to move through the lead is that it's a lot more dense and a lot more compact therefore its a lot more atoms to push on as it moving through and that why we have a lot more resistance. So looking at these ideas From a fluid type of concept, it's all like these fluid dynamics. However fluids kind of flow this is the way that ether flows and this is kind of a common concept that even Tesla was talking about Is that either kind of moves like a gas or a fluid under pressure?

25:06 That makes sense to me. And I think this is all just a really good way to explain these types of things to people and a net moving through water is a great example if you swing a butterfly net through the air versus swinging a kayak paddle through the air, the resistance on the objects is similar to swinging them through water in terms of the ratio of work required between them So it's really just like as simple as the same principles apply because the ether is like an invisible ocean in open space. It's just less dense, less obvious and as expected objects that are more dense or more solid are going to take more work to push through it. The implication being that they're pushing through something some type of medium

25:52 or why does it have that effect and right there we're saying that's detecting the ether to a degree. And I think it does make sense even though using the right language in terms is a bit slippery for me, but I think we're explaining it well, right? Sounds like I'm kind of getting it okay? Yeah absolutely this is where the source of gravitational potential and all potential comes from so in the examples if you take one joule of work to lift an object of a certain weight to a certain height, you dissipated all that energy at the peak of the lift. And when you let go it's downward flowing ether which is going to push on

26:31 mass that makes up the matter of that object and that's what pushes it back to the ground and that's why objects will fall back To the ground when you let go of it so now you can see where the source of that push is coming from and why gravity is a push and not a pull and That there is an external source of potential That's going to do work because as soon as that gravitational potential which is that downward flowing ether? Pushes on the object. The object hits the ground and then work is done and that's work that was done by potential that comes completely external from ourself. So, that's why you can add up our work to lift it and then there is extra work being done which is compliments of environmental input which is the ether which comes absolutely for free. And so they're going to say well you had to do work to lift it yeah but we got something out of that work when we lifted it It was the lift of the object in itself

27:23 And so looking at this displacement concept, it starts to fit one of the pieces into the puzzle which is necessary to kind of see the overall scheme of things on how the ether is there and how it works. When you see this type of gravitational concept, you can see that these fictitious ideas of mass curves space and that your storing potential into an object are completely ludicrous Right, and so these open systems versus closed system points as well as the work potential and energy points. These are fundamental understandings because we're going to get into the idea of batteries and devices that have more output than they have input or these things that people think are impossible And it's because they're thinking about energy and work and potential and systems incorrectly So these are some fundamental things that we had to get out up front but

28:16 But quick side note, because something you said in your hacking the ether presentation really stuck with me. If we revisit planets we already established that gravity is a push because the ether has been displaced by a big mass and it's trying to reoccupy that space similarly to the way water would but if I understand you correctly in that presentation and you kind of mentioned earlier as well Ethers in the center of the mass and is also pushing out from the middle which sounds like you're saying that there could be a cavity in the middle of your. That's possible for example one idea that are colored subscribes to his almost like a hollow earth type theory,

28:59 He's been able to determine that with his so-called telescope technology which is this tesla alexander style antenna system to look at signals from the earth for his earthquake forecasting technology. I might have a little bit different perspective on it or actually i don't have much of an opinion whether there's a hollow earth or not but this idea that there is solid ball of molten iron core spinning around creating magnetic field is also completely ludicrous idea. I mean the first thing that iron does when you heat up is it loses its ability to retain magnetism

29:35 Yet they have a what liquid molten ball of iron spinning around creating magnetic field. Well, molten iron can't have a magnetic field so you know start looking at these kind of things lot of things just are falling apart if you could clarify little bit which mean by moving from the inside out do you mean when I mentioned electrons rising to the surface of the earth or Maybe maybe it was electrons but you just had a series of arrows showing the ether pushing down on the planet out in space and that this displacement is what causes the ether to push back towards the planet from all sides and that's what people call gravity.

30:14 And that's where I think about that bowling ball in water analogy. But on your diagram, you also have arrows in the center pushing out and I thought that was saying that instead of ether just pushing down from the outside it also sort of comes together in the middle and pushes out from the core as well Maybe it is electrons or electrons AND ether but I just found that to be an interesting detail in the model Yeah i mean there's gonna be centrifugal forces and that kind of thing that can come into play those arrows kinda indicate that there is a constant flow of the ether does not come in equilibrium and the

30:51 idea for example like tesla mentioning that electrons are created in the inner earth and then they rise to the surface of the earth is just showing that there can be this particle creation process of the ether in the inner earth and so if you're rising to the surface, not leaves kind of a void that allows either to constantly moving in that fashion instead of just moving into the middle and stopping right now it's why there's a constant flow and that's really what the arrow moving in and back out his supposed represent. Okay, okay. And so I guess sticking with the bowling ball and water example obviously water can't pass through a bowling ball But these particles can actually pass through to the center of the earth or maybe electrons are created there who am i to argue with Tesla? but if they create a push from the outside that we call gravity They would probably form a similar push from the inside as well it seems Yeah, and that kind of effect is there and we can see that with rotating objects for example

31:49 who's the palm of his educator at my team did a lot of profound work in many fields of energy research and so cold, homopolar generators which are reaction was generator you can draw electricity from it doesn't bog down the motor turning yet and he did a lot of experiments with inertia and rotating objects and looking at how we can get a source of energy from space itself. And one of the experiments he did was, he had two 1-inch pinballs or something, and they're both in cups. One cup is still on the platform and one is I believe it was being rotated by a Dremel some type

32:26 high-speed drill, maybe about 20,000 rpm. Well according to relativity both these objects if they're launched into the air one is stationary and one is spinning they should go up at the same rate and they should come down at the same rate well in reality what happens when that experiment is conducted is that the One that is spinning actually accelerates to a higher height faster And then as it's falling, it starts to fall faster than the stationary one which is falling. So goes up faster hits a higher peak and then comes down and hits the ground before the stationery one one. And that completely defeats, you know the whole concept of relativity and a lot of things fall apart just from that experiment. That's an experiment every junior high should be doing because it is so simple its very easy to experiment but in my model what happening as the spinning one is actually deflecting and moving the ether that its encountering as its moving upwards

33:22 Out to its outer edge which means it's reducing the amount of ether that's moving through the spinning ball and so not as much either is able to hit on all the mass which means you just reduced inertia. That's why i can accelerate higher even though you put the same amount work into launching both objects into air how can one go higher than the other and the one that's spinning is deflecting the ether that would normally be pushing down on it out around to its peripheral. to its circumference and that's why it is able to go up higher and faster because the stuff which causes inertia is going to be moving through the object but if the ball is spinning, deflecting ether around it not as much can push through so there is a reduced inertia effect. And same thing happening when falling, it won't fall at 9.81 meters per second

34:18 It's deflecting the ether away from it as its moving towards the ground like a diver jumps off of diving board and as the diver hits water they can kind of park the water so they can go in with less resistance, add what spinning ball is doing is it's deflected either which is flowing at nine point eight one meters per second for second. Away from out towards the side like a diver splitting the water That's what the falling spinning ball is doing Is this deflecting the ether out away from it so it can actually fall faster than the normal gravitational fall Right, and this is another one of those things that when you see the visual it's quite clear. It's a simple example where you say you could just take two rubber balls and throw them in the air at the same trajectory but if you could get one spinning you would obviously see that has a huge effect on

35:09 The ark of the throw and the way it lands kinda like the way i'm trying to think this for people without a visual aid is at the quantum level if you think of matter as more mesh like, add you think about net in water just run a net through water. You know you're gonna get one trajectory but if that network spinning well then it's gonna be harder for the water to make its way through. That mesh like material because it's gonna be moving in all different directions rather than just flowing straight through it, I mean that is kind of a weird example but it shows that there is a material medium in the open air that has been having an effect i guess my question would be. Is there a difference between either inside and outside of our atmosphere,

35:57 I don't believe so it's gonna be the same type of either but the example you point out with a net. Just moving to the water or if you rotate that move it your gonna get more resistance is like if you look at say like a regular household fan, if you look at the blades and the fan is off you have all this open space you know where the blades are not. If you took like little sticker something you could launch it like a little arrow through that space with the fan blade just sitting there still, but if you turn that fan on high for example as it's spinning that blade is occupying more space per unit of time.

36:34 It's going to be a lot more difficult to take that same exact arrow and launch it through that empty space. That is similar to the analogy you made of a net still in a net rotating, or if you take a little rubber ball and throw it through the space between blades of a fan that is rotating very slow or not at all then turn on the fan and it will be very difficult to throw that ball through it. That is a good analogy for what you are explaining Yes your fan analogy is really great cuz it's easy to visualize for sure and so i guess let me ask you this if im part of a cabal at the top of the pyramid that runs the world hypothetically why do i want to keep either physics as secret what do i wanna keep that out of the schools and out of these scientific community.

37:26 What does it shows the possibility that there's an infinite source of potential that can be tapped anywhere anytime and if people are brainwashed into not believing that there is any other, and that if you lift an object in your story potential energy in the object itself. That means there's no free environmental source of input anywhere you have to constantly be relying on a need energy source or consumer energy sources, what is gasoline or whatever else happens to me those are all gonna be necessary as long as older is his.

38:04 Source potential that you're putting into the system yourself and if nothing can come from the environment then you're always going to have a fixed amount that's just going to do until down until it's gone they have turn around repurchase it but people can open up their minds to actually see the possibility of that extra input can come from the environment. In whole or in part then thats when everything kind of falls apart were no longer dependent on somebody who supply it to us These kind of concepts of these open systems is really a simple concept people have these types of systems all around them because in fact that's the only system that there are if theres a child flying a kite for example and they're out in the field. There's no wind blowing child can get the kite to the air tied up on a bench walk away and continue to fly as long as windows blowing well if we look at simple concepts like this obviously

38:55 That is able to fly and it's not even coming from any energy that the kid put in it obviously the kid had a good put some energy to get it to get into the air. What is together the concept of open systems and how these type of machines different technologies can produce more than what we put into it very simple if a child puts in one part work to get the kite into the air. And that kind of flying for certain period time and during that period time free wind from environment comes in and flies that kite that's ten parts input when from the child nine from wind thats ten parts work

39:34 of input well if it's a bad kite design and there is whatever losses are associated with this kite flying experience for a certain period of time, let just say half of all that input is completely wasted in you know friction heat resistance bad kite design and so forth. That means ten parts went in one from the child nine wind ten parts went in five entire parts Input is completely wasted and losses which means only five parts in actual kite flying was actually done so ten when in five parts of intended flying work were done that's only fifty percent efficiency. Fifty percent is horrible deficiency even though you know most cars on the road to be between twenty and thirty percent solar panels are about twenty percent and so

40:23 You know fifty percent is bad it still not too two and a half times better than most automobiles or solar systems so ten parts when in five parts work was done fifty percent efficient but what gets interesting is when we look at the perspective How much work was done compared to what the child put in well obviously five parts were done and flying work but the child only had put in one. Five divided by one is five hundred percent which means the child put in one part work but five times amount of work was actually done which mean she just got a five hundred percent return on his investment

40:59 And that's five times over unity, so to speak. Or he got five times more work than what he had put in. See? So it's not more going out than going in. It's more going out than what HE put in because that kid leveraged free environmental source potential and all he had to do was put in one part work Nine parts of free wind contributed to the system that he really did not have to pay for it came free from the environment and the total amount of work done after all the losses is five hundred percent more than what you put in. If anybody listening to this has a refrigerator in their kitchen they have energy device,

41:38 that refrigerator is actually producing about two times more work than what you're paying for at the wall. It's a completely legitimate open free energy system that's operating over unity, it's a heat pump so what happens is if somebody for example is spending 100 watt hours in electricity from the wall to turn the compressor while the compressor is circulating this refrigerant fluid and these different compression and expansion stages in that heat pump refrigerator and what happens is that in a refrigerator you're not putting cold into the refrigerator, you're removing heat. You know there's a big difference well if you take X amount of heat and move that

42:17 That's real work to move heat around. But if you calculate how much heat in total is moved compared to the electrical equivalent, what your drawing from the wall? You find that you have about twice as much work being done. Your paying for 100 watts for simple numbers and electricity from a wall but your getting about 200 watts worth of heat movement over that same period time which means your getting 200% more work accomplished than what you put in So it's not more going out than going in is more work being done and we contribute we can tribute one hundred. But what happens is heat in the environment moves absolutely free to a lower potential or two cold source, and we don't really have to pay for that he movement just happens automatically and so that's a simple example of machine that everybody has that's free energy machine she like in a kite flying analogy its fifty percent efficient

43:10 Well, efficiency is one measurement that people are familiar with. Well if you take the total work five times flying work divided by the one that the kid put in it It's five hundred percent more well five divided by one is five point zero what that five point zero is that called a co efficient of performance, call me fishing or performance or c.o.p for short is the ratio of the total work compared to what we put in and we don't include the free environmental input Well, in conventional engineering and science and physics it's completely acceptable for a heat pump to have a COP or coefficient of performance over 1.0. Your refrigerator might be 2.0. There are heat pump hot water heaters

43:56 So instead of a hot water heating element in your boiler room or whatever you have to heat your water, if that electrical water heater is operating at a COP about 1.0 it's about 100% efficient because 100%, conceptually of that electric current moving through that heating element is being turned into heat. Typically heat would be considered waste but since we want the heat that's the work that we want so an electric hot water heater is 100% efficient at converting that electricity to heat Really isn't but that's what's commonly believed it's close but if we look at the heat pump there is one called a stable l tron i think best of us were on the market in german one. And it only takes maybe about maybe six hundred watts of electricity to produce maybe twenty five hundred watts of heat hot water,

44:44 I know it, depending on the ambient temperature. It has a COP of 2.4 which means if you have one of these heat pump hot water heaters You can produce two point two hundred and forty percent more hot water than electricity your drawing from the wall So its acceptable to have a heat pump that can be over 1.0 COP because its understood heat moves for free Towards a lower potential but as soon as you start talking about over one point of your devices and machines that are not heat pumps. That's when do you know what hits the fan and you know they cry fell oh you can't have that is totally impossible perpetual motion in all this stuff so then what you see is this

45:27 degenerate mentality breaking down claiming that oh well, that type of process can only happen selectively in these systems but they can't happen in other systems which is completely ridiculous. And so there are only selectively allowing over 1.0 COP to apply the heat pumps but they don't want you to understand that you can have over one point on COP and mechanical systems. Electromagnetic or electrical types systems or other systems. But it's really common sense that those type of systems do indeed exist and they're all over the place if you look at every solar system, you put in zero and 100% of the input is coming from the sun while the COP is conceptually considered to be an infinite COP because anything that its producing is infinitely greater than nothing we have to put

46:16 If you look at a wind power generator on the wind farm, every wind power generator is operating at a coefficient of performance of infinity. It's an infinite COP because any electricity that that wind generators producing is infinitely greater than zero input from an operator because we don't have to put anything into it and we don't have to put anything into our solar system so obviously there isn't over 1.0 coefficient performance on solar panels and heat systems Or solar panels and wind generators and so it doesn't only apply to heat systems and in fact there are mechanical systems and theirs electrical or electromagnetic systems that are over one point oh c.o.p

47:01 i mean this is all really interesting so obviously you're saying that we have real world examples that we take for granted they just compartmentalize them and made us think that the same principles couldn't apply to other systems in that's just wrong, add it really is kind of flipping the model and its why open systems philosophy is so important to get out there because your kind of Breaking down where work comes from and if the work didn't come from you and it was input from environmental sources then, That's gonna contribute to a net gain in the end but because we think of things as these close systems i guess we're not pulling and those other energy sources are factoring them into the equation, add that's kinda problem cuz we have this either everywhere and it is part of our environment and it is tapable. And without acknowledging that its very hard to explain people why you can get more out of something then you put in is that just

48:01 Yeah, and people actually take part in open systems and they don't even know it. I mean anybody who's a farmer or gardener if you plant the seed in the ground you put a little bit of work into it but if you come back however long later let's say its fruit tree or something and then you plant that cherry pit and then couple years later you come back here is this tree with thousands cherries on it well all that free input is sunshine, rain, nutrients from soil, air Not paying for any of that it took just a infinitesimally small amount of work put that pit in there But you walked away and then nature took over and all these environmental inputs. So, you know heat light

48:42 water nutrients air and all this contributed to growing that cherry tree well as roots are growing their expanding in the pushing against oil creating heat resistance moving up against gravity you got millions and millions of times more work were accomplished during that tree compared to the small, almost insignificant amount of work that it took to plant that seed. And so everywhere you look when people start opening their eyes to looking at it for what it is there's nothing magical growing a cherry tree is not perpetual motion, is the completely legitimate over one point of c.o.p free energy system you put in a little bit

49:19 environmental input comes in so the total amount of work done can be more than what we put in and again the distinction is not more than going in it's more going out then what we put in because obviously there's extra input from somewhere else. So that the last really is that we should harness our environment at all cases and work with it rather then against any brute force Explosions combustion type of ways that we do now because we could go with the flow and use a lot less energy expel all this energy so. We got into that ether science 101 stuff we got that out of the way so people can start thinking in the proper context but i wanna ask you about the free energy conference scene where these principles are put into action, we hear these conspiratorial stories from over the years. Are people showing off devices only to end up dead a few years later or the device is stolen or some type of drama unfold some kind of wrenches thrown in works

50:18 how often does this happen could you give us a brief history perhaps of the alternative science conference scene how long has it been going on well, this past july every fourth of july weekend is when i organize a conference near spokane washington here in hidden idaho. This is where john bedini lived and worked Is involvement conference goes back to the eighties for example and you know with suppression in different things there was one conference i might have been the nineteen eighty four colorado springs conference which is kind of a famous one. Where are you know everybody who's everybody was there and it was like different things demonstrated john demonstrated one technology, what should we put a battery charging technology where the batteries basically kept themselves charged up while it was powering some lights and there were so many their name

51:10 i think it's a jim watson and this jim watson made a replica of john bernie so called nineteen eighty four free energy machine john had written this little book that described this motor generator concept, that could produce work while it kept itself charged up. well what john did was he always kept the things kinda small scale and what happened was this watson you made a large scale one work it on the back of truck in this thing is really really big. And it was powering loads while we kept all those batteries charged up well watch them disappeared from the scene and the story is that he's given an offer he couldn't refuse and at some point john bernie

51:49 You had some visitors show up in some suits put him against the wall and pull out a gun on them and they told me that he's gonna be sticking to gasoline for the rest of his life. And once that happened, John was very cautious about how he approached this whole subject. Where he kept everything small scale and little proof of concept models because if he was going to build anything too big then it looks like well he's gonna put it into practical use and he is gonna be competing with whatever else is out there in the so called powers that be do not want that I mean it's not a conspiracy theory its business for them they don't want to have anything jeopardize their you know pretty much guaranteed and secured renewable income we go to gas pump every month when we fill up in, i dont want anything that's gonna change that.

52:36 And you know, these type of technologies certainly can change that. That was one of the examples that happened to John and it wasn't until about 20... Let's see my first conference was in 2012 I think in maybe 2010-2011 or so there were two conferences that Peter Lindenman and I helped promote somebody who is putting these conferences on downtown Coeur d'Alene Idaho. Coeur d'Alene is a city about 45 minutes from Spokane Washington where I'm from And at this resort there was two conferences back to back you know when your right after another and. This person who is kinda doing some shady business behind the scenes and so john but any cut him off booted out because it was stealing and mother stuff,

53:17 What is that conference john bernie showed several devices and he built a large so-called energizer which i need to the first will because it look like a mini ferris wheel is maybe out of no. Ten feet in diameter had three large coils at the bottom of it as running on thirty six battery bank charging thirty six battery bank while it was producing lot of mechanical work to turn this wheel, And i can't remember how many foot pounds of torque this thing would put out but it was quite a bit break your arm if you try to stop it. And what happened was this thing pretty much ran all weekend or two three days and the input battery thirty six battery bank, never dropped it stayed charged up in the batteries on the output kept getting overcharged

54:03 and you had to periodically stop this thing to keep it from overcharging those batteries. And so that machine, I think it was calculated have a COP of about 3.0 which means its able to put about three times as much charge into the battery in addition to mechanical work compared to what's leaving the input even though the input battery stay charged up you can still measure that there is voltage there in a certain current which is flowing the electron current so you can measure that there's something leaving the battery. Even though the battery is getting a kickback so it gets itself to be charged up well these two conferences was the first time john bernie came out and do the public like this. The first time since i think early eighties shows about thirty years or something like that, answer after he did this one shady character out of his life not just company everything who still out there bootlegging but john stuff i approach john and wanted to start doing these conferences

55:03 And i talk to him and the first conference i think was in twenty twelve we did this at a little eagles lodge in the middle of nowhere and heidi ho. We had a bear is because john's company isn't having to live in haiti and he was one of the trustees at the eagles lodge. Which kind of nonprofit did you want to travel working community and that kinda thing, add the perfect setup to be able have conference and so we get it and it was success that i think wasn't twenty twelve and this past july that was the seventh conference that i helped organize The first couple it was originally called the beginning of a man science and technology conference and then after few years we wanted to make it more generic so that we call the energy science and technology conference. And through those seven conferences there's been about nine different machines that were demonstrated, everybody which had over one point oh c o p

56:00 Which if you look at nine different machines producing so called over unity more work is being done what the operator puts in. That's more than all other conferences and this category combined that i know of, Well that's quite impressive man i mean nine machines and understand that you can make something that isn't necessarily ready for a mass production or commercial rollout but with nine you gotta think maybe a couple would be ready what is the hold up when these things been made since the eighties I mean obviously they're going up against the powers that be and all that, but why can't with a Kickstarter or something why can we get this stuff out to people so they can see it works despite their conventional knowledge? Well lot of it on upscaling some these things are not gonna be very practical. For example you know the Benigni SG it works

56:55 Sg stand for school girl motor which little ten year old girl at a science fair back around nineteen ninety nine. Build a little bit energizer and kept itself charged up throughout the science fair and she won the grand prize, add people that the school girls are to poke fun at people you know season engineers who can even get it work answer that's where the name comes from Scaling it up they can be over unity when you include the mechanical work of the wheel turning if you put a load on it and calculate what winds up in the output batteries its over hundred percent. The thing is if u really want to scale it up power your whole house for example on a large battery bank have two battery banks where one is powering the sg and some other stuff all the second battery bank gets charged up and when one goes down and the other is charge you swap banks

57:44 Well if you look at the time and money and effort that it takes to buy all those battery banks, wind all those coils an do all that. It makes more financial sense just go with solar for example. That doesn't mean its a bad idea but there's other so called free energy technologies that are more practical i believe For example what was profound technologies i've ever seen with the highest c.o.p. was one developed by jim murray jim murray has been into these type of technologies for many, many years. He's one of the most gifted brilliant genius engineers ever in this field is one of the most important engineers alive today and he has developed multiple mechanical and electrical systems that produce more work than what you have to put into it at one of the conferences he did a co-presentation with Paul Babcock

58:40 What my good friends here in spokane washington and jim and paul met i think of the twenty twelve conference or first conference and they been friends ever since and one of their. Each one of them had a technology that was virtually identical to each other every single way, when they found out it blew your mind because they've been on this parallel path for so many years but he met at the conference find out there working on the same thing What one of jim's technologies is called serbs srps switched energy resonance power supply. And they had one model at the conference that you brought where the net loss on the input was about 1 watt something and it was lighting 50 watts of bulbs that's better five thousand percent increase or gain it's a cp of almost fifty

59:31 fifty times more work being produced and the net loss from the input now. Distinction is always important because it really defines what's really going on in a snot morgan going out then going in, it's more work being done than what they have to provide but another distinction is that does not mean one watt is lighting fifty watts of bulbs because that just not gonna happen What it means is 50 watts is leaving the power supply lighting 50 watts of incandescent light bulbs. But, the way this system works is that its able to return that 50 watts and with a little bit loss at maybe 49 watts is coming back in the opposite direction to light the bulbs at 49 watts

1:00:17 for example, and that's returned to the source. So the net loss is going to be one watt so it's not one watt lighting 50 watts It's 50 watts lighting 50 watts of bulbs and it's lighting the bulbs at maybe 49 watts on the return so the net losses 1 and What that means? Is that it only cost you one watt to light 50 watts of bulbs Now that was a solid state unit, you do plug it into the wall so it's hard for people to believe. Okay well how do I know what is really going on with the circuitry? How do I know its really doing that and not just a trick Well you can obviously measure what's leaving the wall with like a kilowatt meter or anything like that and to see that, you know there is about one watt being used while 50 watts of bulbs are lit up. Well a non-solid state version of that technology was done on a gas generator set and this is one of most exciting technologies I've ever seen because not only it practical but something has very high coefficient performance

1:01:17 On a gas generator set, let's say you're using gasoline to power motor and this motor is turning in generator. Well if you put a load on that generator light bulbs whatever happens to be the light bulbs are going to light up The generator is producing electricity but it's also going to bog the engine down and its gonna force it to burn more gas to keep up with that load And so thats a reaction generator which means it's gonna bog down the prime mover Well a typical gas generator set i don't know they're operating at maybe about sixty percent efficient so about sixty percent of the gasoline you're burning is actually going to producing the work. What's interesting is that the way that this system works as the generator has this alternating current output

1:02:06 It's got voltage going up, then it is going down to zero and then it is going negative. And then its coming back up to zero and then it is going positive and so forth. This what a typical alternating current AC sine wave looks like. Well as the output Ramps up to positive the electricity is going to light the bulbs and what happens is There's capacitors capturing most of what's moving through this system on the backside but as the voltage starts to drop that capacitor, the capacitors are discharged backwards through light bulbs and It's done in a novel way where that voltage has stepped up

1:02:49 and is at a higher voltage than what left the generator, and when that higher voltage is put back to the generator as the voltage is following it actually turns that generator into a motor for just that one quarter cycle of that AC wave. And what that means is if you're able to turn a generator into a motor for just that moment, you just negated the network that generators loaded up by because that means half the time it's a generator and half the time its a motor. What does is fifty percent of the time the generator generating and fifty percent of the time the generator is actually turning into a motor. The moment that turns into the motor unloads the motor turning

1:03:33 Which means that motor is going to see almost no network being done because of the generators a motor. At that moment the motor turning it doesn't have to do any work to turn that generator and so what does is it causes a net effect that there's really no load on that generator so the motor is just sitting there trying to generate or and its idling What are the tests that paul did it shop with that system was on an old gas generator set you can't use these crappy new generators these days you can buy at harbor freight or wherever. Yeah please like when is all in generators or something thats putting out a good clean sign wave if people knew what kind of AC was coming out of these moderators,

1:04:17 It's gonna be no surprise why it's going to burn out refrigerators and computers all this kind of stuff if they use those kinda generators for a very long. But on one of these older generator sets that has a clean sine wave output, they have the circuit running on there and they had graduated little tube so they could measure exactly how much gasoline is going into that generator well on the first test they just measured how long would X amount of gasoline idle that engine with no load And so they took the measurement of how long it would run that generator at idle on that amount of gas. Then what they did was they hooked up Jim's SERPs circuit to it, and with the exact same amount of gas, they turned on the generator and lit 1500 watts worth of incandescent light bulbs

1:05:02 as it let those fifteen hundred watts of incandescent light bulbs you can hear the generator fidgeting a little bit and smooth out. And fifteen hundred watts of light bulbs are being lit and the generator goes back to idle, its idling and it doesn't even know that your loading it. That was one of most profound technologies that I've ever seen or heard of and is for real and at my conferences Jim did Get introduced to somebody who was kind enough to help financially support the project jim has since been funded and is currently working on that right now. And so, to me thats the number one top contender for practical so called free energy system that can actually do practical work at a large scale i mean fifteen hundred watts of bulbs in the generators idling is profound beyond belief

1:05:57 One thing about it is it works on resistive loads like heating element. Producing heat or lighting incandescent light bulb you know incandescent light bulb about ninety percent is turning into heat while maybe ten percent is white, what the point is that it works on the resistor loads i don't know if he has figured out how to power inducted loads which means like a compressor and refrigerator Which has a little motor in it anything with electromagnetic coil that you're powering is called an inductive load While like a heating element is resistive load. So it does work on resistive loads I don't know that it can work on inductive loads, but any case lighting 1500 watts of bulbs running at idle Is I mean that's game-changing beyond belief and its for real And that's one of about eight different technologies that have been demonstrated at this conference the energy science and technology conference

1:06:50 Right on what's a really great detailed description and of course there are parts that are little over my head i am a simple stoner host of a podcast but, i know it is that time that i always get as a little bittersweet when something really lights up fire under me right at the time that we are supposed to close out but thats the way it goes maybe do this again sometime. That's awesome to hear and so one thing we did wanna touch on before we ended this thing is for people who remember my interview with eric dollar that was really you helped coordinate, that interview with him and that episode stands out as one of my favorite shows i've been able to do or this type of thing i know eric has had a.

1:07:35 sort of rocky life and you're pretty close with them. How is he doing? Is his work coming along, is there some update you could give the people who've probably wondered what's the deal with Eric? Yeah, he's doing better I don't know if you know a couple years ago he did come down with non-Hodgkin lymphoma so that straightened out. He has taken some supplements keeping his platelet counts up and that kind of thing so health wise she's doing pretty good had some dietary changes in stuff as far as to work with nonprofit One good thing is the balance to pay off the building which i helped raise some funds over last several years. Pay off this building where does a lot of work at balances like eleven hundred bucks or something like that so expect, about one month for that to be paid off which is huge step for EPD laboratories inc you know what is five one c three non profit. Turn organization further the electrical sciences and of course erica's demand that

1:08:32 So buildings but get paid off he's been doing a lot of writing. We're gonna be publishing more this not only is ebooks but also an amazon as paperbacks and as far as the seismic project itself there is a shack up on top of the hill at the end of all these long distance lines for earthquake forecasting equipment that's been put together and i recently met somebody who is interested in getting all the quotes to make this little building on the outside of his mind there's a mine, what are the best property that we have the right away too. That actually synchronistically just happen to have three seismographs on x y z axis

1:09:11 And had no idea that was even there when eric pick this location because of these lines are on their to pick up the signals just happens be a mine with seismographs that, a certain university rid off is being obsolete and the whole thing got passed over to you labs minutes. Crazy synchronicity who would have thought that could ever happen in it just happened to be exact place that they need to be in proximity to the lines and so he's doing a lot of writing right now We're in the process of getting somebody who can get the quotes for the lines and this building that will encase a front of the line with seismographs because all that data has to come into, for lack of better term I guess you could say kind of like a switchboard kind of thing which will route all these signals. To the shop and the goal is actually put that online somehow so people can in lifetime watch this earth signal data over like a smartphone app or something like that but thats kinda what the goal is

1:10:08 He just gave a presentation at the recent conference, which anybody interested in that they can go to energy science conference dot com and hopefully here in a couple months we'll start to post the details on next year's conference. But he gave a conference on history theory and practice of the electrical utility system but the big thing that you might be interested in interviewing him on is that it was about kind of leads up to showing how the grid Has apparently been intentionally generated because one time the grid was empty proof as it was built according to like bell labs type standards and this kind of stuff. Will it's actually been degenerated in a way where it's actually,

1:10:50 Turned into a huge antenna that will cause any damage by an EMP to be amplified exponentially, to deliver it right into everybody's homes. And this is something that's of serious concern he lays the whole thing out and more people need to know about that now sweat his most recent presentation was about which is about a five hour presentation by the way I'd be happy to send you links so you can look at if you like absolutely but thats been his most recent focus Wow and man so right on what before we really call it in here also please inform the good people about your website again and how to better educate themselves after this kind of cliff notes crash course that we came today. Sure so the publishing website as you mentioned beginning of the call forty books and videos i think there's actually maybe about sixty or seventy

1:11:42 ebooks and downloadable videos most of our presentations from the conference that website is e-media press.com if anybody is interested in the energy conference, Energy Science and Technology Conference it's energyscienceconference.com and on emediapress.com there are links to all the rest of it you know there's a manufacturing pretty much one of the only real life machines that was about by john beginning and the other things i just like to all that synchronicity report is on media press dot com, can you go through the blog that's where you can see what are the different releases from a conference in a bunch of other pretty interesting stuff.

1:12:25 And so it's been an honor and a privilege to be able to work with people like roger estes john beginning of peter lindemann dollar call babcock jim murray. You know who i consider many people consider the pioneers of the modern day so called free energy in tesla science movement, And the proven winners over many many years and that's why i'd like to have a very close relationship with these people because they're working for profound, what do everything i can support it appreciate you having me on your show further the awareness of the work much appreciated. Yeah man you are definitely an interesting cat and so the next conference is not until next summer and its in idaho as well

1:13:06 Yeah here in a couple weeks i have the exact date most likely it will be and when we can send july of next year it will be at the hayden eagles lodge in hayden idaho. Which is about maybe fifty five minute drive from spokane international airport, And this year different from other years were other years it was a friday saturday and sunday which mostly focused on the energy technologies in science. This year i added to thursday so its thursday through sunday, thursday all focus on mind body science and friday saturday and sunday was typical energy conference and next year i'm looking at maybe having a five day conference where thursday will be mine body friday saturday and sunday will be the main energy conference and then monday it will be optional anybody who wants to stick around. Which would you focus on business because what people who have inventions in stuff do not really have the were with all to know how to raise funds how to get manufacturing and your prototypes and outsource that stuff and no really

1:14:05 Bring their own projects to fruition and i know a lot of people in the right places you can help with that element of this which is missing in this field because most people have an invention they have no idea what to do. And so we like to change that some people can be more self sufficient actually get your stuff out on the people's hands, which is one of the big movements that i've been going towards in the last year Is that i'm with eric dollar and a couple of the partners were going to be manufacturing, what's your multi wave oscillator which there is a link on that one media press dot com for anybody who's interested. But my goal by the next six months is that all have another maybe four five devices into production because i want people actually get into their hands lot of things we've been talking about many years and so thats where a lot of my focus shifting his internet manufacturing and actually getting these things out there

1:14:59 Excellent. I think that's exactly the right focus, and that has been my frustration is where is all this stuff? Very exciting! Again thanks for furthering my understanding it has been real enlightening getting into your work and talking to you today there are so much other stuff going on to talk about water time deconstructing three dimensions inertia plasma ignition but we have a full show for next time Thanks again. I wish you continued success and enjoy the day, man! Hey thank you very much thanks for having me on your show and look forward to doing it again sometime For sure all right man take care Take care thank you so much You got it Holy hell and hallelujah people Aaron Murakami remember the name top-notch guest I would say honestly this was exactly the kind of show I was looking for way closer to the source of the information

1:15:54 I think he did a great job breaking down Ether Physics 101. Obviously you have to undo some learning, torch up some sacred cows and reframe and redefine a lot of terms and concepts...I don't really know much about energy or conventional batteries or many other things that we talked about so i almost have an advantage by being such a blank slate at least that's what I tell myself but How perfect was Aaron for this? Because the conference scene is something I really wanted to hear about and... ...I will probably attend this conference next year. Why not?! I've gone to conspiracy cons where speakers just talk about the idea of this stuff existing and being suppressed or they throw it way back in the past Well, let's go to where the engineers are! Where the models are

1:16:48 If I ever have a higher side con this would be upon I would fish in for sure i'll tell you that but it's similar to the lesson. I learned with the forming of a few of the THC communities, you know what sounds fun? But this show is kind of just an experience between you and I and the guest and when we all congregate somewhere that's where Things can get a little messy. That's where we can be targeted, and you know not even for anything dramatic but just marketed to even as a demographic I don't like that But if we're all having this experience in isolation In silent lucidity as that 80s band used to say We're decentralized and that has a lot of advantages

1:17:32 Same with these conferences. It's a bigger risk just to get together and dedicate a weekend to this stuff, getting all the leaders and best thinkers in one room... it's like anything! You don't even have to go full-blown capstone cabal on this one. Do you think GE or any of the big energy companies can't contract out someone to make this problem go away when it starts gaining steam? I've seen walkthrough videos of the dark web where they have assassins for hire for 50k. I'm only saying we've heard the stories and i find this kind of thing to be more dangerous than a lot of topics because it hits them right in the pocketbook yes money is a construct an enchantment on the masses that has no value, its one big reptilian energy suck but on another level

1:18:21 Money matters, and it's not just money. But control matters! And there is an ironclad quarantine around this stuff because they don't want us casting off those yokes Those goddamn energy yokes But have you noticed a theme to the shows this month? Corey Daniel, Jim Chesner, Aaron Murakami. It's all about... Let's pause on the theorizing and the speculating What is out there? What does a local expert have to say about the Arizona desert? What is this stuff on these radar scans in Helsinki? Where are these devices we've heard about how are they possible who's making them I'm trying to go for it You know

1:19:02 Because sometimes I think we get caught up in a, did you know? Educational circle jerk. And we're doing a lot of talking which go figure an interview based podcast is giving you a lot of talk but i'm just saying i'm trying to push up closer to some type of breakthrough To something somewhere i'm just feeling around in the dark it's a lofty goal yeah and We'll probably be back to talking about underground cloning centers and black goo before you know it I tend to change direction a lot. You never know when a 180 is coming, I'm the John Kerry of conspiracy podcasting The cool John Kerry of conspiracy podcast and i like to think that's even possible Look we've been doing this a long time And I know that I say a lot of dumb things but as long as I say fewer dumb things than my competitors then I guess I'm all right But the point is That you got a lot of information today some of it over my head

1:20:00 It's kind of new, you know that's going to happen. I think we can all agree that it is interesting food for thought and we are better for knowing a little bit more about this subject but for some people its gonna be more than that Some people are actually gonna buy Aaron's book and presentation or they're gonna go look up some of these names that we dropped some of these breadcrumbs And somethings gonna light a fire For some people and their gonna push this further And I hope there is one THC that does that for everyone. Nine out of ten shows you might just say, wow! That's really fascinating but i gotta get this TPS report done before I lose my job It's a part of life But I hope that some of these shows will resonate with you so much that it does provide a catalyst for moving the needle forward or putting some yardage on the board Or whatever they do in hockey

1:20:51 Maybe something jumps out at you because it's local and you can actually go take a look and go down a personal rabbit hole. I'm just saying, i've had some whiskeys and im ready to change the world guys who is coming with me? If you only heard the first hour...I don't know what your doing sign up for the higher side chats plus because the full shows are always better nobodys doing what Im doing Instead of a massive bag of fun-sized Snickers, get a month of THC+. It looks much better on your waistline. But in the extra time I had with Aaron we talked about extraluminal travel how this could apply to crafts We talked even about Aaron's UFO sightings that he's actually had! We talked about ether and g forces

1:21:40 You can probably already conceive of what that means because we just talked about similar things like gravity and inertia. Really, we explain those things or redefine those things but another topic we talked about in the plus show was Qigong consciousness and healing And that was a long story But it was quite awesome A whole nother dimension of Aaron's interests and experiences that I really liked hearing about Plus, when exceptional people pass on it's nice to tell their story to so many listeners and through that they can still influence the world. And that's a beautiful thing! Also tomorrow or should I just say October 25th we are doing another joint session with you dear people me and you caught in with your stories your local conspiracies your paranormal experiences your inside scoops and i'm going to be right here ready to hear it all

1:22:41 7pm Pacific, 9pm Central. I'm really gonna try and quote go live on Facebook and YouTube this time because there's thousands of followers there and when someone goes live it's always something they throw to the front of my newsfeed! I think people would get the prompt and probably join in I know the program, I'm using Zoom. I know it's able to do that so my mission for the afternoon is to get liquored up again and give it a go figure that stuff out on being quite goofy but I am really proud of what we've done here today if this resonates with you please continue to explore these things that they just don't want us to know about Give Aaron a shout out let him know you salute his dedication given the digital high five and I'm going to be back very soon

1:23:33 Love you guys lots of people out there are fishing for your outrage. Don't take the bait But anyway, I've done my part. Thanks for listening! Your move secret science suppressors ether quarantiners and keepers of convention your fucking move. I won't take it no i refuse if it's all right i'll keep my refuge i've been scheming a bigger things and have to leave my old life behind gotta transfer to the inner earth i built a box build a hole gotta need Yeah, the laughing elite classes while the scheming masses who do you think they fancy suit and a cigar

1:24:53 Tell you the basics, they print your money Got the Fed in your head, currency Now they're smiling and you're caged meat How this happened? how you don't see? A pillage of plunder Plunder is a plunder A pillage of plunder Plunder! Plans are simple The best protection of all Is the special shelter built according to specifications Of your local civil defense organization

1:25:38 The basement of any house or building will become a good improvised shelter if you block the windows with sandbags. If you don't have sandbags, just what can you do? Bunker! Take it under You'll find me in the bunker, bunker! Bunker! Take it under You'll find me in the bunker Bunker! Take it under Find me in the bunker, bunker! Plunder It's plunder Plunder