Whitney Webb | The CTI League, The Maxwell Sisters, & Israeli Intelligence

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01:27 These are the Hireside Chats. Happy days are here again, Hireside Chatters from sunny San Diego! I'm Greg Carlwood and despite the draconian dystopia nightmare of a year 2020 has turned out to be...I would urge you to enjoy yourself while you still can because mandatory masks are pretty tame compared to mandatory vaccines, the digital data collection surveillance and social media power flexes we've seen so far are nothing compared to the 5G-fueled contact tracing internet of everything takeover. And Ghislaine Maxwell is not half the threat that her sisters seem to be

02:03 Yes, it's like all the concerning threads we've been following lead to a full-on level change of intensity and trouble before they'll ever come close to fizzling out. And an already complex world is becoming all the more confusing by unleashed AI, a full court press in biotech control, and a vast digital overlay that true power has yet to be seen So like I said, we should have some fun while we still can. And that's exactly why i brought back the ever knowledgeable powerhouse guest Whitney Webb to talk about all these things and more! You probably know Whitney from her deep and thorough coverage of the Epstein saga and her expose on the conspiratorial connections in CD networks she was a part of She is currently a staff writer for The Last American Vagabond who previously wrote for Mint Press News and Ben Swan's Truth & Media

02:54 Whitney is also the very deserving 2019 winner of the Serena Shim award for uncompromised integrity and journalism, and has launched a great new website recently at unlimitedhangout.com So let's do the damn thing! The great web detangler network exposer and thorn in the side of the big machine Whitney welcome back to THC Hey it's great to be back Yes, it is a real pleasure. Thanks for doing it I definitely enjoyed talking to you last time about the Epstein Network and the work you've added to that stack on Ghislaine and her siblings gets even more concerning But we wanted to start with your latest article meet the IDF linked cybersecurity group quote-unquote protecting US hospitals pro bono

03:40 And I think people know that nobody at this level really does anything for free. And to quote that article, you write anonymous volunteers from an opaque group founded by a former commander of Israelis unit 8200 have been granted access to some of the most critical private and public networks in the US's healthcare and pharmaceutical sectors with the help of a US federal agency now run by a former Microsoft executive. And what a way to start, we're already getting a few big hits on the conspiratorial bingo cards out there but tell us about this COVID-19 Cyber Threat Intelligence League? What should people know?

04:20 Right, so the CTI league was allegedly anyway set up by these four self-described cybersecurity professionals earlier this year as the coronavirus pandemic started to really explode in terms of governments reacting to it around March or so. And they claim to be doing this because of the uptick in cyber attacks that have been observed on hospitals and healthcare system infrastructure as the pandemic has unfolded Even when these events are reported on, a big part of that is also the fact that there have been a lot of budget cuts to hospitals both before and during the current coronavirus crisis. That have led a lot of IT staffers

05:05 to been laid off. The other side of that, of course being that HHS the Department of Health and Human Services has really used the pandemic to consolidate control over how patient data is handled in US hospitals clinics and healthcare facilities basically consolidating control over patient data by HHS itself or a series of contractors. The main one which is very secretive and has only really existed since the September 11th era, since 2001. And has been contracting with HHS ever since basically these cyber security professionals were claiming to fulfill this void left by the lack of you know IT staffers protecting them they offer their services for free and they are now directly partnered with the US government as well as us law enforcement agencies

05:57 their main partner in the US government is relatively new agency overseen by dhs called csa, which is currently headed by a guy named chris crabs used to be microsoft vice president for cyber security before he. What's chosen to fill that role and it's very interesting that half of the four founding members of the league are also microsoft cybersecurity researchers and workers that run its security research center Yeah this is so interesting because I think people have heard whispers of cyber attacks this year with so much going on it's hard to even get down that level but i don't think people have heard the extent, what's going on you right over the past several months eighty percent of health care institutions in the US have reported being targeted by some sort of cyber attack ranging from minor to severe.

06:50 with an uptick in phishing attempts and spam specifically. Most of these attempts have been aimed at illegally acquiring troves of patient data, ding-ding-ding. Including the recent hacks of hospitals in Chicago and Utah about 20% of the hacks and cyber attacks reported by hospitals and medical facilities since March directly affected the facilities capacity to function optimally with a much smaller percentage of those including ransomware attacks i mean this sounds like a big problem but there are reasons to believe that these are sort of false flag attacks being blamed on foreign nations right.

07:30 Yeah, well I certainly think that's possible. One reason why it didn't really mention in the article is the fact that all this focus on patient data not just by the federal government like I mentioned but HHS has also been a huge focus of Silicon Valley which is currently in this huge, I guess you could call cold war of sorts over artificial intelligence trying to get as much data as possible and beat chinese a i companies microsoft is at the center of that of course you are. Basically offering their quote unquote services for free to all these health care institutions while the same time you have The federal agency in charge of protecting critical electronic infrastructure in the united states including the health care system and voting system all being run by a former microsoft executive on the other side of this we also have another. Figure who is basically the original founder of the cti league and it's most public face spokesperson as well like i name had zadenberg,

08:29 You currently works for the cyber security firm based in israel called clear sky but he is a former commander and you need to hundred you started off in that unit as an analyst of. Persian cyber activity meaning iran right and then later became a commander in that unit, overseeing, I think you know almost a hundred soldiers all focused on Iran specifically. He claims to still focus on Iran as a strategic intelligence target and has actually been at the center in often the sole source of accusations that have linked Iran's government to cyber attacks in the past most recently the hack of Gilead Pharmaceuticals and its antiviral drug Remdesivir which has been

09:17 Recommended and used against coronavirus since this really started back in March. It's also worth pointing out too that Gilead has a lot of ties to the US establishment, specifically the Pentagon it used to be headed by Donald Rumsfeld What's interesting is at the timing of this hack which was discovered by Zadenberg and allegedly thwarted by him Is that Gilead is part of this consortium Of several pharmaceutical companies of which Gilead is one That has also partnered with CTI lead Wow and yeah you get the such detail about. The companies that zadenberg is work for i guess they always change their name as it's always a confusing this kind of stuff but this long history of fraud and espionage targeting us federal government and, it just very concerning history and when u fold in that history it's like what are they doing now probably not up to any good

10:13 Right i definitely think that's a fair conclusion to draw from what we're looking at it's very rare that cyber security professionals major high paying companies that make like six figures a year when just suddenly be like yeah we're gonna. do this stuff for free especially in x unit eighty two hundred member the salaries offered to them for their private startups and things like that i mean who's reported on israeli media all the time but they are offered you know astronomical figures per hour of your time and so it just kind of odd that they would offer all the stuff for free and of course there also advertising the fact that they're focusing on health care institutions more recently have been seeking to help protect

10:55 other critical infrastructure in the United States like dams. Iran and Clear Sky, Ohad Zadenberg's company have also accused Iran of hacking a dam in New York not that long ago it is worth pointing that out they're also looking to quote-unquote protect nuclear reactors and a bunch of other aspects of US infrastructure which was you know just kind of odd but this is all being sort Approved of essentially by the US government being done in partnership with them but you know what's weird is that i've been talking about these four founding members right but no one knows who the other members are. CTI leak has a thousand four hundred members right now estimated according to their own figures,

11:42 Coming from a bunch of different countries around the world and basically all you have to do to get in is to sign up in your entrance into the group approved by one of the four founding members who are no microsoft. Or no accident eight two hundred still currently working with a company with links israel's government right so any of those guys can just say yeah come on and give them insurance to operations at this league which as i said earlier you know, partnered with a lot of key parts of critical health infrastructure in the US and is seeking to expand that now. They're also involved in helping the government fight against disinformation related to COVID-19 which includes things like people organizing because they oppose quarantine measures or mask measures things like that which of course could very well be

12:31 Organic and not just info campaigns tied to a state actor given all of the stuff that's been going on over the past several months in relation to information about mandates. About you know our lockdowns really worth it among other things basically suggesting that that's all made up from their perspective wow and, On the microsoft side of the cti league you do mention in that article nate warfield and chris mills who both work for the microsoft security response center, can you say that it is worth noting that the microsoft security response center is also directly affiliated with microsoft election guard a voting machine software program that was developed by companies.

13:16 closely tied to the Pentagon's infamous research brand DARPA and Israeli military intelligence unit 8200, and creates several risks to voting security despite claiming it makes it safer. i try to talk to people about when they really are in the conspiracy it's like look at bill gates and all the things that he is put his money into one of them being. We working software based education and surprise surprise where is one of the big battlegrounds right now its like the classroom and write a year ago there was no justification for this software base learning and all the sudden there is and he's all over the health side of it too bright out we're talking about,

13:59 election machines. And that's just another scary pie for his fingers to be in, right? Well also Election Guard is already partnered with several voting machine manufacturers throughout the United States and what's also concerning is that as I mentioned earlier this Chris Krabs guy who's in charge of this DHS overseeing agency on critical infrastructure right is one of the key people in government currently lobbying for Election Guard to be adopted in the United States Of course we can pretty much see it now right that the twenty twenty election is going to be a total chaotic clusterfuck and free for all, write so i think it will eventually end up being a proposed quote unquote solution by government and people like crabs in microsoft whatever. The use of election guard because of you know the mail-in voting

14:53 Not working or accusations of fraud and things like that, that we already know are going to happen in this year's election because they've essentially told us. So the more chaotic it is this election right? The more solutions they have to propose for subsequent elections if there are subsequent elections so it seems like Election Guard as well poised to benefit from that Yes good point and to go back a little bit to zedenberg and clear sky you mentioned that there was an fbi security alert earlier this year that cited only clear skies adenburg for these claims of linking iran's government to all the cyber attacks were having and, to quote that you say,

15:50 alleging US involvement in a similar attack that had targeted Iran just months prior. More recently, a series of several mysterious fires and other acts of industrial sabotage across Iran over the past few months have been linked to Israeli intelligence operations. In some cases Israeli officials have acknowledged the Zionist state's role in these events." It's like, man blame and blame the person that is actually a victim of the things that you're doing on both sides. And we've talked to guests before who tried to draw attention to this concern of Israel exporting their software to many other countries and basically taking control over their critical infrastructure as you mentioned. This seems to be evidence of at least its capabilities being tested in Iran.

16:40 Well, I mean so Iran has been a known and admitted target. Unit 8200 also the NSA, the NSA and unit 8200 for example worked together to produce Stuxnet probably the best well-known cyber attack of you know the past 20 years that targeted facilities in Iran nuclear facilities right? And totally disrupted their function And you know what we've been seeing going on now these acts of industrial sabotage i guess you could say fires not just that nuclear power facilities but also like a grain storage sites.

17:19 you know, food stores essentially also being targeted. And you're also having people like Yossi Cohen who's the current head of Mossad essentially leaking to Israeli media that yes it's Israeli intelligence that is doing these things to Iran and its kind of disconcerting if you look at the US side though a country that isn't ostensibly considered to be a target Israel's aggressive electronic espionage tactics, you look at the New York power grid for example. The key dams in New York's power infrastructure are now powered by a company called Impress which is wholly owned subsidiary of a state-owned Israeli weapons company that produced Iron Dome so I mean that doesn't seem to be...I mean that's a foreign military company right?

18:11 It's basically like a foreign, you know I don't know any other country outside the US being like yeah we're gonna have our dams guarded by Lockheed Martin and Raytheon. I mean it just doesn't seem like something you would do for national security purposes but instead in New York you know we're seeing things like that You know expand to a considerable degree largely through you know edicts I guess you could say from New York's governor Cuomo who also has put people like Bill Gates and Google's Eric Schmidt in charge of reimagining life in the state there. Yes, yeah I was gonna definitely ask you about that too but there have been so many explosions this year random explosions even here in San Diego a Navy ship caught fire and burned for like four days. I could smell it miles away and it's like how many of these are related to some kind of digital attack some kinda software based attack and how many are just organic accidents? And it makes you wonder because

19:13 You can look at these photos where people have compiled all the weird explosions and it's a lot. It's a lot for only being halfway through this year, so this is where we get to an interesting punchline to this detailed setup but we have this COVID-19 cyber threat intelligence league in a wave of cyber attacks being blamed on Iran and then to quote you again, a lot of quotes, coincidentally FOSFAR as Microsoft calls them, is also the group at the center of the Iranian hacker allegations promoted by Clear Sky and Zadenberg which refers to this same group by the name Charming Kitten. The overlap is not very surprising given Microsoft's long-standing ties to Israelis unit

19:58 8200, as well as the fact that Microsoft as a company and its two co-founders Paul Allen and Bill Gates personally ensured the success of an Israeli intelligence linked tech company then led by Isabel Maxwell, Ghislaine Maxwell's sister who boasts close ties to Israel's national security state. it's like wow i mean how are the races looping and the maxwell family but we talked about her dad in the past and promise software scandal right and of course the second generation is also involved in this very same stuff and here's microsoft founders. Being the ones who are kind of championing this uh... this company and rising them to the top what is going on here

20:48 Right well the involvement of bill gates and also paul allen in preventing the collapse essentially a company is really company led by maxwell that all took place in the late nineties early two thousand, what we do know that bill gates was associated with abc to some extent by as early as nineteen ninety five. And that a two thousand one article from the uk's evening standard reported epstein having made millions of dollars from his business link with bill gates this has been completely ignored. Why mainstream media and also most independent media oddly enough,

21:27 So what were those business ties we don't exactly know though in nineteen ninety five around this period of time delaying maxwell's two sisters who are twins. Are christine and isabel they had a company along with their two ex husbands, call the mckinley group which has this search engine sometimes referred to as the first search engine called magellan actually ended up having several deals very lucrative deals with microsoft ninety five, what hasn't been reported about that company is that delay maxwell was a major had a major stake in that company and late nineties frequently referred herself as a quote internet operator when asked by the press about her job this is of course before any activities with epstein

22:12 related to sexual blackmail or human trafficking had gotten any sort of attention at all and these were press people asking her about her activities in relation to you know like UK tabloids that would occasionally write articles about the Maxwell family, in relation to the notoriety I guess you could say of their father Robert Maxwell right. So at some point the person responsible for hammering out that deal between the mckinley group and microsoft that would have been isabel maxwell who was the vice president of the company and. Engage in those types of deals with different partners, company partners during that time right so i had some point she becomes the head of this president of this company called com touch which is really created by former idf guys are largely funded by the first

22:59 Venture capital fund set up as part of israeli government program that was about investing more, can i take and creating a high tech ecosystem that would eventually be spread out to other countries basically the policy. That is you know the consequence of which are things like cti league in cyber reason and so all these things right so At some point in the late nineteen nineties rate she's in charge of contact contact is going to go public at some point but there was a lot of controversy about it and the way its ipo is rescued is from this massive. Announcement very conveniently time announcement of a large investment in the company by paul allen, run two different sources of his one being bulkin ventures i think is the name which is bc firm and another company of his

23:50 So what's interesting there is that paul allen a few years later it was revealed that he was part of this very secretive social network with apstein and naiomi campbell on the lot of these other people that have been seen from photographs provided by virginia roberts for example you know. Naomi campbell going maxwell app scene all partying together and things like that so that social network apparently paul allen, who is part of that group but you also have bill gates making a considerable personal investment Apparently through the gates foundation to this company are purchasing a steak in their stock rather than microsoft going through with the purchase of. I forget exactly how many thousands of shares in this company but enough to really put it on the map and actually is about next will said that it was microsoft interest, income touch that ended up putting them on the map and contact us basically running in the background of

24:45 numerous private multinational corporations as part of their infrastructure email right so basically gave it was used for that. And based on her father's history with the promise software and all of that i mean you can speculate is much great, no one essential backdoor into the emails of anyone that would use it which also included some government partners and also ended up partnering with what microsoft early hotmail Clients and things like that right so you know definitely a lot of espionage value there it's worth pointing out that isabel maxwell also said. The weirdest quote about bill gates she's a british accent sort of a british accident right when she normally talks but you assigned this guardian reporter about her relationship with bill gates and the guy describes her as hurrying. And using a fake southern bell accent when talking about bill gates and how she personally convinced him to give her his money basically it's, real trip to read that for anyone that interested in my

25:50 My last article on Isabel Maxwell, it's definitely worth reading it for yourself. But definitely very bizarre especially when you consider that Isabel Maxwell for example her son ended up being made the chief of staff of the Middle East desk at Hillary Clinton State Department during the Obama administration which is pretty weird considering the Clintons relationships to all of these well you know to Ghislaine Maxwell specifically in the Epstein scandal that she would appoint this guy the son of isabel maxwell who was twenty five at the time right to this position right when arab spring is going on,

26:27 This is especially significant when we consider the fact that Isabel Maxwell, much more than Glaine even right? Is quoted in numerous articles as talking about her great interest in the state of Israel and political Zionism. Her close friendships with her quote-unquote father's circle in Israel including former Israeli Prime Minister Shimon Peres who she personally toured around Silicon Valley, Ehud Barak who was also close to Epstein, numerous other heads of state. She also at one point had a relatively close relationship to the son of Yitzhak Shamir who was also an Israeli prime minister that was previously employed by Robert Maxwell right so definitely a tangled web and she's very open about her

27:12 you know, affiliations. And she in a separate article talks about how her son Alex that was put in this key role at the State Department was also very interested in pro-Israel policies so it's interesting he'd be placed in the State Department at that critical juncture of the Arab Spring and whatnot in which the State Department, the CIA and Google among others were intimately involved right? It's definitely a very interesting rabbit hole to go down the maxwell sisters of course the other one on the other side christine actually got involved in creating a company called that was essentially just like promise. Essentially successor to promise but she co founded with active officer,

27:53 I'm not gonna go too much into that today because i'm gonna be doing a big report on it so i don't wanna get too much away before i get out of paper right but essentially this company is the link between promise and what is basically promised today palantir peter fields company, There was a time right after two thousand one right after the september eleventh attacks where there was a call to redo big data in the national security state of the FBI and intelligence community and what not it was clearly add this christine maxwell created company that filled that void. For a period of several years its not around anymore and of course palantir during this period of time were killing at was created by christina maxwell cia officer named alan wayne,

28:39 You know how much is incubated by the cia with you tell money and it's not only client is the cia until two thousand eight ten then now is one of the largest government contractors in united states, do all seventeen intelligence agencies and most of the other federal agencies to be honest so. definitely really crazy that they haven't gotten more attention especially considering you know like christine maxwell for example also very involved in the lanes rather i'd quote unquote philanthropic activities like the terror mar project christina maxwell intimately involved and before the term our project which of course involves oceanic philanthropy they say right.

29:18 Isabel maxwell and her last husband al sekel. I have attempted to create something called the blue world alliance which is essentially terror mar years before terror happened in apparently that it was partnered with the world economic forum and then eventually, you know i guess became a terrible project that was run by christine and gillian maxwell. Wow wow it's impressive you keep all this straight and when you consider the timeline with bill gates and galane and abstein. Do you think that the abstain galene honeypot blackmail operation was responsible for securing this alliance like the game works where galane compromises people like bill gates and then black mails them into making deals with her sisters companies and getting,

30:10 this software into critical infrastructure in the united states mean this. Seems like a one two punch of the maxwell family it's like before we didn't really have a strong catalyst or motivation for bill gates being involved with abstain but this seems like it, Yeah well at least in the earlier years right because you know the official narrative the mainstream area bright is that bill gates and after meeting like twenty eleven even though i just said earlier there's mainstream media articles from two thousand one talking about abc and bill gates being business pals throughout the nineteen nineties great so. Obviously we don't have all the information,

30:50 About those ties available there have been considerable efforts to really scrub those. From existence but i think what you laid out is essentially something that very easily could happen though i'm i think to an extent right you have a look at who the targets of the apps in sexual blackmail network really work, I think the most obviously focused on one component of those people that were targeted were US politicians, specifically Bill Clinton while he was sitting president and also after. But also senators like Bill Richardson and George Mitchell who were notably involved in sensitive Middle East negotiations of interest to Israel right?

31:27 So I think that's one side of it and that's been what most of the focus has been on. But if you look at the links between the Maxwells and also Epstein to technology companies throughout the same period of time, its definitely significant. And you consider the fact as well after Epstein left prison for the first time in 2012 he began to rebranded a tech investor become very involved with Silicon Valley and later go on record saying about how he is all this blackmail and Silicon Valley's biggest names. While 2012 is also the year where this is openly admitted now in Israeli media by Israeli government officials and intelligence officials, 2012 was the year were units in Israeli military intelligence like Unit 8200 and also Mossad as a separate intelligence agency began

32:16 outsourcing operations that they described as previously being done in house into essentially front companies offshoots, privatized offshoots right that way to then start performing those Operations previously done by my son or previous number you need to hundred what have you we know for a fact that one of those companies is black cube rate which was tied. Two months i've been as a private company used to be headed by meredith in the former head of masada before his death third chair with the chairman of their board right, But a lot of these other companies are cyber security companies because if you look at what happens to these unit 8200 alumni after they leave this military intelligence unit, almost all of them become cybersecurity professionals and their companies get acquired by these much larger companies. Microsoft in particular has been gobbling up these companies for years. Microsoft was the first of the Silicon Valley,

33:19 the key match to establish an r&d and center israel they did so i think nineteen eighty nine. But definitely by the early nineties they were very involved there and today you have unit eighty two hundred alumni in charge of very sensitive important operations at microsoft for example the head of their entire cloud is a former unit eighty-two hundred guy name asap rapport, and there's just numerous program leads and executives are all from this particular unit needs really military Wow it's just so much but it starts to paint a pretty clear picture when you go through all these great articles that you've written and we know that as you said christine isabel both held senior positions at the israeli front company that facilitated the promise software sale, do us national laboratories add the heart of the country's nuclear program like that what the promise software was involved with but.

34:18 I'm not sure about any kind of fall out was there ever a fallout or consequence to that scandal it's not like we had a new go off for something but did they just collect a bunch of data what is it, discovered before it was too late like what kinda fall out happened there so that weekend kinda maybe drop parallel to the kind of. Fall out that could happen now given software being integrated into our system So I've spoken to a couple different sources about promise software over the past year or so and. I definitely learned about some of the systems that were compromised but i'm not 100% sure, that information is publicly okay to release but definitely there were military

35:00 elements of the us military as particularly as it relates to nuclear weapons that were compromised by the backdoor version a promise that was sold to los alamos laboratory by robert maxwell. During the late nineteen eighties or i think with the mid nineteen eighty actually which is definitely you know this also the same period of time where the polar bear the jonathan pollard affair was going on and both those have the same i guess head guy back in israel you can say rapier was overseeing both of those operations you know robert maxwell or the promise software. And robert maxwell selling that software around the world that was over seen by a ten so what and his handler he was also the handler jonathan pollard who was taking secrets about us nuclear weapons and all of that from the navy at least specifically he's like a naval intelligence officer if i remember correctly, show

35:55 What's crazy is that a lot of the things that were compromised are known but remain classified and have not been made public so we don't actually know the full extent, we just know some of the systems that were compromised. Gotcha From the investigations of Inslaw Inc which originally created the promise software that was later stolen by Department Of Justice and Rappi 810 and others Who were involved in the litigation attempting to have some sort of accountability for this staff and the resulting scandal come about later. Of course, this was all essentially covered up by bill bar when he was attorney general the first time and now he's attorney general now so

36:32 You know some nice continuity there there was also a report called the blue or reporting after that i believe it's senator without last name that had written that which is essentially. Debunking claim to debunk the case that illegal activity taking place in relation to the promise software of course the response is lengthy responses and well sourced Responses to those claims by insulin can other people of course were essentially ignored and bill barred just put the lid on that. And the clinton administration when they came in like ninety three they also made no effort to investigate despite the efforts of insulin can others rate so,

37:18 Definitely something that was memory hold and covered up but it's worth pointing out that as i was starting to come out in the late eighties early nineties had transpired with that you have a nineteen ninety one, is series of death tied to the promise software scandal you have robert maxwell's dad you have the senator john towers. Are john tower sorry who is the guy that got maxwell into los alamos to make that sale and facilitate a lot of the. Shady nest of the promise offering introduction insistence of us systems he died in a rather suspicious plane crash,

37:55 I think not long after robert maxwell died you also of course have the death of danny cassolero that year who was set to publish his book on the so-called octopus which included a lengthy section from what i understand on the promise software scandal and we also have the death one of his main sources alan stand or if it was found beaten to death in a field during nineteen ninety one as well so definitely seem like there wasn't effort to tie up loose ends to some extent. Man is just like this whole maxwell operation is just steamrolling. All of our politicians all the big movers and shakers could you bring them out to the island compromise on and then yes get whatever you want just barge away right into the big party it's really insane and,

38:44 You also say in one of those articles that robert maxwell had seven children and five of them took on different aspects of their fathers vast profile yes we talked about christine isabel anything to say about the other kids that might be into shady stuff. What are the other kids that are in the shady stuff for kevin and maxwell. Kevin was essentially the sun that was most intimately involved with the financial crimes of robert maxwell so you have basically his three daughters there's two children not really affiliate what the family that had issues with the father or something else that split this plan,

39:21 What are the three daughters that stayed as a part of the clan i guess you could say right all sort of took on these either promise software elements of that which they were involved in christine was anyway and isabel where. Why robert maxwell still alive the front company he used to sell promise to los alamos for example, christine was put in charge about company right after that first sale was made to los alamos subsequent sales remain other us Company is in agencies and all of that right then you also have isabel maxwell joining her at some point. At the company before the nineties began,

39:58 So, they were already involved in that. And then you have Kevin and Ian being involved in the financial shadiness including the pension theft scheme of the Daily Mirror Pension Fund and all these things. They were heavily investigated after Robert Maxwell's death. Kevin and Ian were for their role on those particular financial scandals. They were eventually cleared of wrongdoing but the report is super shady. The stuff that those two were involved in And because their public reputations were so i guess you could say sully by the associate with her father and that huge investigation all of that stuff they kind of laid low, promote the nineteen ninety's but at any given point you know like as i mentioned earlier there are these articles that would sort of follow the family around the maxwell family and see what children were up to every so often after robert maxwell's initial death they would say things like kevin in each of the director of thirty companies

40:57 it would say like i am twelve of kevin's are you know facing financial insolvency or something like that so like to me it looks like there were a bunch of these companies sort of they would like create a company and then move money around the man oh it would go bankrupt in there be a bunch of new companies open up and this is something that robert maxwell was apparently very good at doing what he was alive creating lots of trust and foundations and shell companies with every acquisition of a different company he would like spin off the bunch of smaller companies and move money around all the stuff apparently that was one of his. How much i guess you could say and that's something that can be in appear to be involved with significantly what interesting is that when com touch was going on right as well maxwell, was doing this contact stop that was being backed by microsoft you have kevin maxwell buying this company called telemarketing very involved then us

41:52 Telecommunications infrastructure and that's interesting because of the same period of time is when you have am docs right being also very involved in telecommunications infrastructure in the us which is another israeli intelligence link company that was spying on us federal agencies. In the late nineties and up into and through nine eleven she is Man what a wild family to have been born into it's really tough to clear that karma you're pretty much baked right into it but this is something you also mentioned earlier which is smart cities and.

42:29 we have been concerned about smart cities for a lot of reasons but the work you've done here just adds a whole nother layer to why we should be concern you wrote this piece entitled media ignores israel connection to eric schmidt's push for new york smart cities and it feels like this is part of the same agenda of israeli software companies gaining control of critical infrastructure Here's a quote I liked where you say, with New York Governor Andrew Cuomo recently announcing that former head of Google Eric Schmidt would lead an effort to reimagine post-pandemic life in the state. Media reports have failed to note that the groundwork for that reimagining was laid last year and intimately involves the State of Israel." So when people say plandemic not only were they running simulations more than just Event 201

43:21 But there also laying the groundwork for this stuff and this is really scary to me i mean it already was a smart city stuff but this is just another layer. Right so disagreement that was hammered out last year, The US side of the negotiation was actually a guy that's a key member of a massive pro israel lobby organization new york right so that's kind of a conflict of interest. But anyway basically what it does it claims to be this collaboration between the us and israel to build smart cities but only build smart cities in new york state not in israel, which is kinda weird if you're gonna call it collaborative rate

44:01 What basically what it does is that starting next year new york city is going to begin the implementation of five smart cities, the locations for those five smart cities are set to be decided in the latter half of this year i think they'll be announced. in december i remember correctly but the decisions are gonna start being made sometime between september. Next month right and several so that definitely is an agenda that we will see rolling out, any new york and with a large boost i guess you could say from these israeli companies that have

44:39 Even before this deal with new york were lobbying very heavily to be a key part of us smart city infrastructure one of these companies of course is car by nine one which wants to be the nine one call system of smart cities in the future, it is a unit eighty two hundred company that was funded by a rock and jeffrey epstein and peter feel. And is definitely a very suspect company i would argue because it has a pre crime functionality where essentially you call nine one What's your smartphone and it essentially pulls all this data off your smartphone get access to your camera, your microphone in all of the stuff in use is all the data it takes me a phone to analyze your behavior and determine if you will be near to the victim or the perpetrator of a crime at some point in the future.

45:26 their ambitions for smart cities is to have smart devices call nine one one four years so that people don't have the car nine one anymore, the device is themselves will know when to alert authorities. God, and we're already seeing so much ratting on each other this year. Just normal citizens- Yeah that's depressing. Tattletailing on people over masks and gatherings it is really sad turning off power to houses that do have parties I mean scale that up it's not gonna be just a house getting their power shut off It could be a whole city under these conditions! It's like really scary to give this much power to just the hands of a few

46:08 And this quote was also interesting where you say, Cuomo at the time also said that New York's incubator programs for startups and initiative with funds exceeding 5 million would quote implement a new focus on Israeli companies as opposed to local companies. Like what the hell? It sounds like they got Cuomo by the balls too! I mean what's going on right now in New York City is New York State, but New York City particularly is very instructive I think to people who like to argue that a lot of these Unit 8200 companies have no ulterior motives. They are companies tied in Unit 8200 and also venture capital funds that are linked the Israeli government are thanks to Michael Bloomberg now set to run these cyber security centers for New York City

47:01 That will be used to benefit the state i guess and they were supposed to be us in israeli companies of course it's always really good charge of choosing what company get funded, or are integrated into the cyber security centers. And it tends to favor one over the other dramatically right. Then you have coming out and saying that we're gonna favorite these companies are us company is i mean really destroys the man they try and use this program collaboration, add a partnership there's going to be a fifty fifty split in the spoils rate that what you would assume from a lot of the PR handout but unfortunately

47:40 When we look at what's going on in practice it's not exactly what happening is that. No no and as i was reading your articles i went and i looked up us aid to israel over the years and obviously that's gonna play a role but yeah, it's apparently crazier than i thought me when you're bad but The us sends them about three billion a year going back decades right we give aid to dozens of countries with an average of five hundred million but israel is far away number one on the planet and israel's only a country of nine million people so it really starts to feel weird and its like.

48:19 this kind of blackmail operation and absent operation leading back to israeli intelligence, this is gonna keep that money flow coming forever you think bill clinton's gonna stand up and say somebody donald trump's gonna stand up and say something about it everyone other politicians that's been captured just rolls over exposes the soft underbelly of this country. And is just taking our tax dollars which are already way too high or paying way too much and just shipping it overseas because they got caught with a kid. It is crazy! Yeah, that's essentially what it is yeah now its up to 3.8 billion dollars a year and its set to expand that was supposed to be the absolute maximum when Obama negotiated this memorandum of understanding with Israel that okay we'll give you more than three billion but thats as high as we go

49:11 well israel is now lobbying for that to be the new minimum and that all future years should be three point eight billion or more per year, which is of course a very staggering high amount of money i mean it's honestly mind boggling. I mean, you have something like Epstein right where it was known that he was compromising politicians on behalf of an intelligence agency. Right? And that particular intelligence agency happens to be Israel's military intelligence agency and of course a lot of that money is for military aid which of course goes to Israeli Military Intelligence It just seems rather convenient for it to remain unacknowledged for this long by even mainstream media but...you know

49:57 There's a lot of things they should acknowledge, but they don't. So you know it's kind of a rhetorical question at this point. Too true! Yes so you know aid to Israel is something that is bipartisan right? Which essentially means that you know it's something that the entire swamp agrees about for a particular reason but I definitely think that blackmail is one of the ways that Israel was able to see the amount of aid it receives from United States balloon considerably over the past few decades. Right right and not only are they extracting billions of dollars a year but there also doing these little false flag kind of things in saying hey look at what i racked it look at what iran is doing, write and have the big behemoth of the us military on some kinda leash to just take out whoever israel considers to be their biggest threats again we pay for it and money and blood so the aid money quote unquote isn't even enough they still have this whole other aspect of the program running.

50:59 And if there's any truth to them being behind nine eleven added the pile along with the chaotic expensive shit storm that was caused by us being in the middle east for more than a decade after that and this whole thing starts to just sound so staggering. Well, remember it was Netanyahu who was one of the people that went in front of Congress and said if you invade Iraq positive reverberations for the whole region. And now, of course, people still listen to him when he says things like bombing Iran will have positive reverberations for the entire region. Of course it's been no secret that a lot of top Israeli national security officials want US to strike Iran

51:42 basically have the battle be fought by the US and Iran with Israel coming in to help later, but they want the U.S. make the first move right? This is pretty much it's pretty much an admitted policy I mean you have Mayor Dagan who like i said former head of Maasai going on 60 minutes saying that us needs to bomb Iran first pretty much in your face admission of that part of the plan there is to provoke iran into doing something that can then be justified by people like Mike Pompeo or Mike Pence and all these intense Iran hawks in the White House to justify US military action against Iran. That would presumably result in some sort of war, of course Israel views Iran as its greatest rival in the region it wants hegemony for its alliance you know the U.S.-Israel now Saudi-Emirati you know Alliance in the Middle East that wants hegemony

52:40 For that, of course Iran and Syria which was targeted by the US and also Israel from 2011 on was also one of the targets of that. Lebanon specifically Hezbollah aligned with Lebanon has also been a target in there in facets of Iraq right so you know we're just in that sort of late stage i guess you could say of what's really been a decades long policy playing out 9 11. Is it turning point there with the subsequent invasion of iraq and afghanistan, no countries at both border iran and of course you know the admission from people like wesley clark but they were plans to go after what like seven countries in ten years or

53:21 something like that, with Iran being the crown jewel I guess you could say of that list. The one they're going to target at the end after targeting all the other ones most of which have been targeted by intervention of subtypes since then largely for the benefit of Israel over the United States in the case of Syria for example i mean you have leaked State Department emails where Hillary Clinton says the best thing we can do for Israel is help overthrow Assad essentially so I mean In your face right and as i mentioned earlier during that period of time where clinton wrote emails like that the guy that was the chief of staff. I have a middle east desk is the son of isabel maxwell totally insane it is it is just so lucky to have you on this case and,

54:09 Whitney this is just been amazing a lot of the stuff just blows me away i am so lucky to know you are one of my favorite journalists working today. Thanks for taking the time i know your high demand before i cut loose tell people where they can read these articles your social media stuff and any upcoming projects you think they should know about, alright so far social media i'm only currently on twitter you can follow me at underscore whitney webb I'm currently writing for my own site which is Unlimited Hangout. I also contribute to The Last American Vagabond where you can find some of my most recent article on emergent bio solutions, for example. Let's see a couple other projects...I have some more investigative works on the Maxwell sisters some of which i went over today but of course more detail. I'll be putting some articles out on that in the future and I have my book on the Epstein series coming down the pike at some point hopefully by the end this year

55:05 And, you know I have a podcast that i'll be relaunching on the Rockfin platform probably another week or so. So look for that for those who are interested and yeah thats about it thank you! Awesome, you got it. And that is a really well designed website unlimitedhangout.com should really be on everyone's daily reads and just thanks so much I hope you keep doing what you do for a long time! I love checking in with you and i'm scared for the future but take care again all right thanks Greg I appreciate it Well, sa-da-tay cool cats and kittens! The triumphant return of the great Whitney Webb. She has such an excellent recall for the work that she does but it's so detailed and layered that you really are doing yourself a disservice if you're not reading her work on the regular. She is very consistent with putting stuff out but this was a real treat to get to share this work with you

56:10 It very well could be the biggest story there is when you loop in the other Maxwell sisters and what seems to be a major campaign from Israel, to export their software systems to whoever they can. And become so integrated that cities nations whatever are actually reliant on their management of those resources Because everything has software based infrastructure and logistics management nuclear facilities water treatment plants the electrical grid. Of course smart cities as we talked about and everything is so centralized that if you license out this software in new york or la there's so much more value in that to a foreign nation then almost anything i can think of,

57:07 It's putting a whole city in the palm of your hand and just navigating through that illusion of sovereignty. But as long as we keep those billions in tax dollars flowing into them, I'm sure everything will be fine. Kinda like being held hostage and paying a ransom right? Many of us sorta realized that Epstein was not the most important person in that overall honeypot process... And now it is even more clear! As is what the network is getting out of compromising these American politicians and the tech elite like Bill Gates. And it's pretty scary, I don't want to say scary but its very concerning how vulnerable we might be In the words of Joe Biden this a big fucking deal! in fact there was an episode on THC from last year with Jeremy Roth Kushel

58:08 It's titled, The Zionist Network, the Talpiot Program and Kill Switch Diplomacy. And he talked about this very thing. Kill switch diplomacy is a great term for it. He spoke so fast and looped in so much that I'm not sure if any Maxwells were mentioned or not but it pairs quite nicely with today's interview that's for sure But it's one of the major reasons that we don't need 80 year old presidents and 90 year old Supreme Court justices. Just let it go, you animals! We are deep in a digital age where if our leaders are gonna sell out our sovereignty and security illusionary as it might be in the first place I at least want them to understand the severity of what they're doing

59:00 Not that they would make any other choice if there presented with a video of them entertaining the harem of twelve year olds, but Biden and Trump probably can't set up a wifi password yet they're gonna be making the very deals that determine how deep in the pocket we really are when it comes to this stuff. If its not already too late It's nice that there has been at least a little resistance to Chinese technology running the whole 5G grid thing with Huawei. At least it is being brought up that hey maybe we can't outsource everything like this, or give too much power to the hands of few.

59:42 I guess a tale as old as time, but worry less about TikTok and more about who in Silicon Valley has been on that plane to Little St. James. But either way let Whitney know how much you appreciate her she is going deeper down the rabbit hole than most dare and she should be thanked profusely As always if you liked the first hour of the show sign up for plus to hear the second hour as well as hundreds of great shows in The Archive keep any mp3s you download while your member i don't pull them away when your subscription ends like the big boys do and i wouldn't know how to do that anyway but today in the show we talked about another israeli company we should look out for this one involved in directing us lockdown policy and contact tracing protocol

1:00:36 We talked about DARPA's sketchy history of experiments and research into coronaviruses and bioweapons. We talked about DARPA's Insect Allies program, Emergent BioSolutions vaccine manufacturing, and Whitney's interview with Epstein victim Maria Farmer—all very important stuff as well! One tip we talked about is that if you're trying to have the covid vaccine conversation with people that you care about. Just cite the scandals and history of some of these leading companies like emergent bio solutions or johnson & johnson, don't have to debate vaccine science specifically i think thats a tip worth reiterating

1:01:22 So the advice still stands that we have to work our way off the teeth of system dependence. We have to have a better lead on quality resources, easier said than done I know but you're only going to be as worried about this stuff as you are reliant on it So think about that Jack, and I'll catch you next time. I've done my part! Your move infrastructure infiltrators billionaire blackmailers and villains of the global vaccination agenda your fucking move I won't take it, no i refuse If its alright ill keep my refuge I've been scheming of bigger things and Have to leave my old life behind Gotta transfer To the inner earth I built a box, build a hole gotta need it up Going under And now you'll find me In the bunker Bunker Take it under Find me in the bunker Bunker Take it under

1:02:39 me in the bunker, bunker. Bunker! Yeah they're laughing, elite classes while they're scheming. Says who do you think this is? A suit and a stick tell you the basics they print your money got the fed in your head currency now there's smiling and your caged meat how this happened how you don't see. Let's kill it you plunder Plunder, it's a plunder

1:03:30 You kill it, you plunder, plunder. Plans are simple The best protection of all is the special shelter built according to specifications of your local civil defense organization The basement of any house or building will become a good improvised shelter if you block the windows with sandbags If you don't have sandbags just what can you do? Bunk up Take it under You'll find me in the bunker, bunker Take it under You'll find me in the bunker, bunker Take it under Find me in the bunker, bunker Plunder is a plunder Pillage and plunder Plunder is a plunder Pillage and plunder