Tracy Twyman | Communing With The Demon Masters Of The Elite & The Portal To Hell

00:00 Hey, what's up Greg? It's Kevin Magens all the way from Holland. Just wanted to let you know I just subscribed to THC Plus like literally five minutes ago The reason being is love what your doing and I love THC Thanks! In the 1930's President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed a nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire. For a new era of worldly frustration, we offer a fresh conversation! I'm Greg Carlwood These are the Higher Side Shads

00:47 Holy hell, Hiresight Shedders! It is a beautiful day in the neighborhood. Just drinking little drinks and smoking a little smoke here in sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood And...I love this episode Because as a guy who's been digging around the depths of the conspiracy and paranormal world for awhile now Sometimes things that used to be sensational can start to get a bit mundane But there are still a few waves left on the conspiracy ocean that rock my boat and one of them is the idea that at the top of these fraternal orders in secret societies, they're worshipping or communing or taking orders from some type of non-human intelligence. Call them entities or aliens or demons

01:27 I'm not sure what it is, and really not that comfortable with a lot of the religious context. But i still think if you set that aside you will see something very dark and otherworldly going on look at the rituals of Moloch at Bohemian Grove or the stories of child sacrifice The altars in the basement of record studios that Professor Griff confirmed for us a few months back Something's going on there And because I don't personally understand it, I've dismissed a lot of those rituals and hooded meetings as something the elite do out of tradition or superstition. But would they really keep it up if they weren't getting some results?

02:04 Maybe they're making the proverbial deal with the devil. Maybe the reason that capstone with the all-seeing eye is lifted off of the pyramid is because the top layer isn't in this realm. Maybe the elite are so focused on life extension and transhumanism, that they can advance away from draining the blood children to prolong their life and just straight up transfer their minds into the machine So they never have to pay the piper or for Christian folks They never have to face God's judgment Or for new agers They won't have to endure their karma However you want to say it, I guess that means there's a lot of cultures that talk about these types of things and maybe that is for a reason. Because maybe there are powerful manipulative entities just beyond the veil of reality and maybe there is some great cosmic power struggle going on where our shadowy puppet masters are really just puppets themselves to bloodthirsty demons in the underworld realm aching for release

02:55 coaxing presidents and kings and pharaohs and Templars and masons and Satanists to open up the gates of hell or say beetlejuice, beetlejuice, beetlejuice. I don't claim to know, and it's seeming pretty ignorant to dismiss anything in this weird world anymore. But today's guest was curious to get some of these answers herself so she decided to get it straight from the horse's mouth or should I say goat because she spent 13 years trying to contact these cosmic string pullers of the elite particularly the infamous Baphomet himself! And the results were really interesting... But I think this is going to be a love it, hate it or be deathly afraid of it type episode. And let's just get down to it! This isn't the show that I had really prepared for but once we went down this path I thought screw it and lets go down as far as we can So here we go people pack your glass and park your ass and lets see where this goes with the great author and researcher Tracy Twyman on The Other Side No pun intended

03:51 When I find myself in times of trouble, Mr. Carwood comes to me speaking words of wisdom THC! THC! THC! THC! THC! Speaking words of wisdom THC Folks, we know we've been sold a boring rigid worker bee life where magic and other worldly entities are best left to Hollywood. But yet we see many events symbols and cryptic quotes over the years that lead one to believe that the global elite operate in a reality far weirder than the one they've pre-packaged for us A reality that considers magic and ritual powerful tools a reality that values sigil making astrology and powerful entities beyond this plane And today's guest has been tracking these occult moments in history

04:45 carried out an esoteric journey of her own for many years. Her name is Tracy Twyman, author of several books that deal with magic and the occult and approach history from the esoteric perspective. Tracy's also pioneered what she calls Alkanomics, the study of the relationship between alchemy economics and the evolution of money which can be read about in her older book Money Grows on the Tree of Knowledge as well as some previous writings too but her newest book Clock Shavings describes her 13 years of personal communication with several entities from the great beyond and the insights they've given into the plans for The Elite, the state-of-art reality and hidden history that got us here. It's a wild ride I can't wait to take!

05:29 Wow, that makes me sound so exciting. We know how it is with these attention spans you got to grab them quick but you are worthy of it thanks for being here this is a real treat I am a big fan of your work into alchemy and money and I'm sure we can eventually get into that but the start us off this new book Clock Shavings is very interesting because I've heard your interviews over the years and it's clear that you have a deep understanding of magic, certain entities and invocation rituals but you seem to deflect a lot of the questions that are asked about your own personal experiences. Didn't really want to talk about that journey a whole lot but now you have laid it all out there And man does it include some far-out stuff I've read several excerpts from it It is very interesting But to start us out I guess I would ask

06:17 What was it that got you to start taking this spirit entity communication stuff more seriously in a culture that, at least on the surface really writes it off as largely silliness? Well actually it would just be the fact that it worked for the first time. The first time it worked intrigued me and it was pretty much impossible to leave the subject alone from that point. So yeah, it's just personal experience I guess. I hadn't really spent too much time thinking about it before we did it you know which is basically... It started with my husband well he wasn't my husband at the time my husband-to-be We were roommates at the time and we were running the magazine Dagobert's Revenge together and we were doing some research into holy grail related studies priory of Zion things like that

07:05 And at the time, you know we were one of not too many people really pursuing that subject and we were I would say among the experts on the topic. At the time we were emerging into that field me and some of the other writers for the magazine so we really just wanted to know more about this subject I'm sure you've looked into that subject yourself and many of the listeners have probably. It's a very intriguing but confusing subject, you know? You can just spend years following trails of clues and kind of get dizzy after awhile it all seems so interesting and meaningful but you never really know

07:48 where what it's all leading to. And so it's definitely something that can be kind of exasperating and at the time we just thought well wouldn't it be great if you could actually talk to one of the guys that was supposedly involved with The Priory of Zion who is the artist Jean Cocteau, we were looking into a lot of his stuff at the time We were trying to decode some of his paintings and films and writings pertained in any way to the Priory of Zion, or the Mystery of Renlichiteaux, the story of the Merovingian bloodline, the Grail and other occult subjects. And we were just trying to find greater insight into that so we decided to talk to the guy on the Ouija board and you know... We did get a response right away and we talked to him several times

08:38 but I would say we got a very weak response in comparison to what came next. He basically told us that if we really wanted to get the answers to our questions, we had to talk to Cain. Wow! So, Cain from the Bible. Yeah, Cain of Cain and Abel right? That's a pretty powerful entity there. You know... Well, I knew that from some of the research I had been doing and writing I'd been doing, that Cain seems at least according to some other historians basically they think that maybe Cain was based on a real historical figure that can be found certainly in the history of Mesopotamia, but also there seem to be recollections of this figure in history from other cultures as well. That you know this is really one of the first kings and king of an empire really And it may have been basically the same Empire that's remembered in the story of Atlantis

09:36 that he may have been the king of a very large kingdom and very influential in history. And then the story in the Bible is really just a thumbnail and metaphor for what happened with Cain. So anyway, I knew a little bit about that stuff but obviously I learned a lot more once I started actually talking to Cain. But I would say things really got rolling a few months into the conversations with Cocteau when we called up Kane instead and started really getting very interesting responses. Whoa, this is wild stuff! And it's so awesome that you got that personal validation at an early stage because it's so key for people to not just write it off because when it comes to people's thoughts on communicating with entities like this I think the mainstream if you divided them up the majority would probably give no credibility to it think it's just silliness

10:28 And then the second largest group I'd say are folks who probably believe it has power but are very fearful or superstitious about it. And to me that's the biggest clue that its something to pay attention too, because it seems like classic propaganda. You know first deny all existence of it and aggressively claim that bunch of nonsense, but when that doesn't work you say oh well yes it does have power but stay away from it because it's all dangerous and evil. And right there you probably got 90% of the population to avoid it for one reason or another doesn't really matter why... But do you think that's kind of what happened over time? Well basically if you can talk to spirits from beyond your getting one type of glimpse

11:12 what's going on beyond our visible reality here. I'm saying that like we live very much cut off from the bigger picture of what's going on, and it's clear to me that were in some kind of prison basically and you know we're being deliberately blinded from everything else that's really going on yeah and i've only gotten just a tiny taste of you know what the truth might be And so basically I'm saying, yeah of course it's taboo. Yeah of course they try to keep you away from it and who are they? I mean the governments throughout history, the religions that they foster and propagate always trying to keep this keys to the kingdoms of heaven and hell basically out of the hands of the general population. You could say that's a

12:08 you know, that they're trying to control everybody which is true and also in a way what they say is right too. In that it is dangerous because you don't know what your... I don't know what I'm getting involved in no one else does either! How could you possibly know? You're just like grasping... you're reaching through the veil or you're grasping around and you don't know what's on the other side or what it's going to do to your hand after reaching through so um it is dangerous Scary. Oh, I can see why people see it that way you know? Yeah yeah and it is funny because I can get most people to acknowledge that most of history has been dominated by powerful secret societies and clubs And I could also usually get them to acknowledge that these groups put a lot of energy into symbolism and occult rituals and practices of these magical arts or secret scientists

12:54 But people tend to not make the connection that maybe the magic or this communication with entities is a major reason why these groups have kept the power for so long, you know? Well This is what has really been So revealing to me I mean the experience of talking To them myself and also seeing the things that they tried to get me to do The unit because they did try to persuade me to do certain things Wow And uh, they you know They have a different, I would say heretical perspective or a different version of almost every story from scripture. And it's always portraying a different character usually the bad guy as the good guy. Yeah, I would think so. It's an agenda is what i'm saying yeah there's definitely an agenda and um...it's really given me a glimpse into-I think they deal with other people this way

13:52 The people in the secret society is your describing this way especially the leadership and i realize basically what a lot of these secret societies are based on which is yes this communication. The packs that people make with these entities the basically the whole structure of an organization like, say the masons is probably based on something like this where they're probably dealing with the same entity because after I was talking to Kane. For a long time we eventually got referred to Baphomet and that's where you know, really got I would say even more insightful information about

14:29 All sorts of things about history magic and that is a really powerful name, but I'm Kind of curious you said that this communication kind of intensified with each You know new being youth that you interact with how how did it kind of evolve and intensify? Was it changing of methods or was it just way more obvious that that a being was interacting with you. Um Well, no. It was obvious the whole time that we were interacting with something but like Cocteau for instance had a very hard time communicating I would say most of what he would say is kind of nonsense numbers and letters then there was speaking in French and um...I didn't even follow a lot of it because i didn't speak french very well at the time uh..and

15:14 also just weakness. It didn't seem weak in the beginning because it was my first experience, but after communicating with Cain for instance I immediately noticed a difference of yeah intensity and because you can feel the presence of the spirit as it's talking as its moving the planchette around on the Ouija board You know with a weak spirit that's having a hard time communicating and a hard time I guess garnishing the energy needed to communicate It will for one thing have a hard time spelling out words correctly, a hard time saying the right thing. They'll forget how to say things and then for another thing is the planchette just doesn't move as quickly or as powerfully and when it really gets going when it's very powerful it sometimes moves you know scoots out from under your fingers even move so quickly that

16:06 You can't follow what it's saying you have to have someone else writing down the words the letters as they're being spelled and ideally this is what we ended up doing a video taping so just so that we could go back and get accurate transcript wow, and no so you be. Getting these messages in there's no way that you are any of the other people could be projecting in it it's not coming from your subconscious or anything because Don't have any of that information. I mean there was some really complicated stuff that I couldn't have possibly known no one else there knew I don't have the imagination to come up with that I'm not that poetic as some of the things they said and furthermore, it's just moving so fast That your mind can't spell out words that quickly and a lot of times They'll misspell things And then they'll go back and correct themselves too so interesting let's

16:56 Let's talk about the Ouija board a bit because I think for some people this is a red flag. Even people who believe in occult communication, I mean I hear a lot of people say that they doubt the Ouija board in particular and...I think part of the reason for that is because it's made by giant toy making corporation today even though they didn't come up with it They only bought the patent from a guy who had it once You know, once he died the family sold it to them. But really I mean these powerful corporations they know plenty about the esoteric arts and anyone who examines their logos will see that but in terms of the Ouija board what might you say to someone who doubts the usefulness of it or the accuracy of it? Well...I don't know what you mean by accuracy but as far as when you're trying to define any message from beyond

17:46 I would say it's the most accurate in that it'll give you a message spelled out in words that you can interpret, you can have a whole conversation. Whereas what else can you do like that except channeling directly which is even more dangerous because then your actually kind of letting something more into you than Then i think you are when your plane with the board but not only that it's the accuracy of channeling is just. Harder i think to gauge because coming through your own mind you're really kind of put i think u run a risk of really putting things in your own words or interpreting editing while you're channeling so i think when you're doing the board with another person get really kind of

18:31 objectifies the whole thing, pulls you out of yourself a little bit and you just basically become. A tool uh you and your partner whereby they're able to write out messages that can be very clearly read now if you're trying to interpret coffee grounds or pig in trails or something if you're trying to read tarot cards it's much more open to interpretation And also just vague. I mean, you can't get very specific answers to specific questions so i just think if you want to actually talk to them and talk to something from beyond that might have the perspective of a being from the other side this is going to be the most useful tool and as far as the William Fold Parker Brothers Ouija board...I mean thats what we started off with with Cocteau but

19:28 very quickly discovered that they had their own ideas in mind. Baphomet actually dictated a design, a new Ouija board design which we produced it's a lot more interesting and you can see that there is little picture of it in the book and we're going to put out a larger version of it that people can use if they want too I find it easier to use because you have a little bit more space to move around in. It's easier to set the letters apart, the interesting thing about the design that was given to us by Baphomet...I didn't understand the meaning of it for months or maybe even a year until after it was given because for a long time Kane and Baphomet both kept emphasizing the alphabet itself they kept going through

20:17 from A to Z and then B to Y, all the way like that from the beginning to end and inverting it basically. And I was wondering what is the meaning of that? We kept asking them what does it mean we got different answers Finally, I just was doing some reading one day and realized oh! That's the Atbash cipher interpreted as being connected to Baphomet's name. The fact is you can put the name Baphomet, I think it's if you convert it to Aramaic and put it through the Aramaic version of at bash then the result that comes out is Baphomet. Wow! Oh no, it's Sophia and Baphomet that's right how...the interpretation is that Baphomet basically is a code word for holy wisdom divine wisdom

21:10 And that maybe even the Templars were using this, this cipher basically. So it's a cipher that for one reason or another is associated with Baphomet. It has been printed in books... They even referenced this in The Da Vinci Code I seem to remember that. The character Sophia you know they at one point mentioned that her name was convertible into the name Baphomet via this cipher. But I had totally forgotten, I didn't realize what the AtRefCypher was. I remember reading about it but I didn't know that what you do to make that cypher is you invert the alphabet so that's what they wanted us to do on the board and um... So its been that way ever since we've been using it and uh its interesting because it makes different patterns actually The way they zip around on the board

22:00 It just makes interesting patterns because the way the alphabet is. arranged sometimes. That's cool! So, I mean...I thought your conversations with Baphomet were pretty intense and pretty interesting Most people will know this entity as the goat-headed hermaphrodite largely associated with the pentagram and evil things like Satanism But how would you describe Baphomet? Do you think some of those ideas are misconceptions obviously You know you're saying that The good guys become the bad guys And there's a lot of manipulation involved Is Baphomet a victim of some of that Well, I'd say that Baphomet is the devil in a way. Wow! But it's a particular expression of the devil so it's the alchemist basically and he's kind of...I say he just

22:53 I don't know because that seems easier to me but the truth is that every time Cain or Baphomet would refer to Baphomet they would use, refer to Baphomet in feminine. So as you mentioned it's a hermaphroditic entity um i think maybe the most important facts to understand What Baphomet is as an expression of the devil is? to go back to that You may have seen this sigil of Baphomet. I believe it goes back to this magician named Stanislaus de Guita, I hope I'm pronouncing that correct something like that At any rate he had in one of his books

23:37 these sigils that were expressions of Baphomet and on one of them, basically the front side of it had the goat-headed Baphomet inside a pentagram. The inverted pentagram and it said Leviathan around it Oh! And then also has the names Lilith and Samael which are two demons that I'll describe in a moment. Then on the other side you have Adam and Eve They are it's just like the upward pointing. And it has a picture of a man and then it says adamant you.

24:12 Now the reference to Lilith and Samael is important because the way the Kabbalists describe Lilith and Samael, these demons. They're like THE primordial demons they say basically these guys are the serpent in The Garden of Eden And it's a hermaphroditic serpent that has both male and female aspects The male is Samael the female of Lilith, and that basically these two guys were split purposely by God. And it resulted in Samael basically being castrated and separated eternally from Lilith so that they can't mate anymore...they can't have sex because somehow if they do it will result in the destruction of the universe. So you have these formerly united serpents now separated and in pain of separation from each other

25:04 and sexual frustration. And what it appears happened, according to if you piece together all the different rabbinical kabbalistic stories about the Garden of Eden and the things that went on there, and then also afterwards after the fall, the things that happened to Cain and Abel... You start looking through all these things basically seems to tell a story that Samael impregnated Eve and was probably the father of Cain And also reflexively Lilith also seduced Adam and was his wife. They have lots of demon children together that are out there in the ether somewhere, and they're menacing mankind. They're always trying to cause trouble for humans. One of the things they were always trying to do... The Lilum as their called, the daughters of Lilith

25:53 incarnate into human bloodlines. They seduce men, their children are born and actually grow up in royal families... she's basically infiltrating royal and holy families to try to get her children in line for those thrones. And you see this going on in the Bible and I think it's probably going on today Wow. Yeah, that's intense! I mean obviously bloodlines for the elite have been super important throughout history and to think that maybe they're communicating with some otherworldly entities and they're being influenced or seduced and that they are being infiltrated...I mean that's pretty intense but it fits the story because when you look at the deeper levels of the elite they seem to be in communication with something for some reason

26:46 Well, both Cain and Baphomet had a lot of interest in their human descendants on Earth. And in fact that was their only interest they wanted to basically kill everyone else except their own descendants and that doesn't mean their descendants are safe but uh... When I say there's some evil coming from these spirits the ones that I talk to anyway I would say what really made me believe that, you know was that they basically just displayed a very hateful anti-human attitude and it had everything to do. They said with God's preference for us Basically the serpent was offended that he was asked because he used to be an angel He was asked by God to bow down to his new creation Adam

27:43 And he didn't like that. This is a story that's in the Quran, you can also find it in a book called The Books of Adam and Eve which is older than the Quran. And then this is a story that was told to us again by Baphomet and then kind of referenced several times later like this is the real reason why I hate you! So it's nothing personal even really It's just the preferred younger brother basically or Adam was were the children of Adam and that's uh the source of the frustration also, of course they were cast into hell. And it seems that happened after the fallen angels, the demons actually tried to

28:26 mate with humans or did successfully mate with humans and apparently this was a problem for God. And so he cast them into some sort of prison that's under our, underneath somehow the world that we live in now maybe in some other realm or something obviously in some other realm and so they're very mad about that and they really want out and I think that they're trying to manipulate people that they have under their control here to get them out. And you know they basically, right now they're working with secret societies and utilizing all of the mechanisms they have available including the media economics...you know all sorts of aspects of civilization that they now control. The demons are using people

29:17 try to construct a situation that will somehow allow them to have one big jailbreak and all get out. But it's But in the meantime, they're still always trying to get out or to get one little foothold in this world. And what it took me a while to realize but after analyzing the transcripts repeatedly over the years and looking at other clues as well and history and mythology is that they basically are not alive right? They're in some sort of nether realm their existence is kind of negative At what point can't even said this you know i am not alive don't talk to me as though im alive I cant relate to what your saying because im not alive. Because they're not alive, they need somehow

30:04 or they desire to feed off of the life that we have here. And when they can get a little bit of that, they hungrily feast on it and also they just desperately want to get a foothold in this world where...and one of the ways that they do that is through people that they are able to possess so yeah sometimes literally their motivation is just to be able to breathe air and eat food and smoke cigarettes experience life for a little while Yeah, man this is where it gets really interesting to me because I've had several guests who talk about the constant references to The Abyss or The Great Beast and there's tons of 666 symbolism out there. It's the logo for Monster Energy Drink, it's the logo for the Chrome browser and the CERN Center

30:50 And I think it was also at the Emmys, the stage was formed by three sixes on top of each other. It's weird! I don't necessarily get it and I'm also skeptical of anything that comes kind of from the Christian perspective because I grew up that way and felt like there was a lot of manipulation but it does seem like there is something deeper there that its built upon Do you think thats accurate? Yeah, I mean sure. You know i'm not here to promote any religious point of view. I'm just kind of saying what they said and how it does seem to match up with what a lot of orthodox religions will tell you about the how the world works with being... What's the universe? What's going on? And most of the religions will tell you there's a realm below and a realm above and there's good guys and bad guys and here's what the bad guys are trying to do.

31:43 so much of that was confirmed by these beings. And it wasn't something that came out in the first conversation, you know? But because we had a lot to talk about... I knew-I had a lot of knowledge already about occultism secret societies and things like that So there was quite a lot of basis for us to build a rapport with each other I was able to kind of milk the stuff out of them, and also they lose their ability to lie after a while. Things just slip out or they get comfortable talking you and they just tell you oh by the way we hate humans were trying to kill you off. Wow! Whereas after months of talking about scriptures

32:38 esoteric analysis of things, this kind of stuff will just slip out every now and then. That's so interesting! Do you think some of these 666 references that we see in the mainstream culture are part of this foothold that they're trying to get? Yeah... I don't want to be too alarmist because of course it's ever since Jesus basically people have been saying that the second coming is happening and the end times are coming. So you know, I guess it could very well be they're always coming. You know? This is an aspect of life that...I think there's some truth to that. That the end is always near but um but it does seem like in popular culture people are so comfortable with it now and if you really want to be paranoid sometimes just watch

33:30 fiction, television shows and movies. Sometimes even don't watch but like look to the side and just listen to the dialogue you'll pick up on things that mean so much more outside of the context of this film itself. You know that you can think sometimes I think these films story itself is like the just the first layer you know that's for the public to consume And then if you look deeper there's An entirely different not just plot but message and so what I find is say for instance He-Man, okay? Right on. My son is only a year and a half but he really loves watching He-Man

34:10 We've been watching the whole thing. I've seen these episodes over and over again, every single He-Man is about the same thing it's about the fall of Eden and it's about the apocalypse which are connected events and possibly the same thing in a way that at the end is connected to the beginning just there's you know there's Beastman There's a Skeletor there that there's an other the beast island i believe at one point and so what you see over and over again is the story of. There's the demons or the bad guys that are somehow in imprisoned on an island in a castle in the dungeons they're forced to work in the mines, and then either you know they always plotting to get out and then what if what do they want to do they wanna sack eternity eternity is even

34:58 And this is what, um, the story that Cain kept telling us and which a lot large portion of clock shavings is really devoted to an analyzing. The story, um, is about the fall of Eden. He said the game of chess is actually based on this. That was an interesting aspect to it. Yeah. The uh, the different colored tiles are actually like, uh, you know, the merging of the two realms or something like that? I think Yeah, I think so. Well it's kind of complicated still we're still figuring out some of the meaning of what was told to us but the story that first came out the way Cain described it he said that The Fall of Eden and The Fall of Atlantis were the same thing and That it was really a war and that war resulted in this submerging of this kingdom where

35:55 At that kingdom there was this thing called the Ark. Now in the story of Noah's ark, the ark is a boat and then of course in the story of The Ark of the Covenant, the ark is something that contains the essence of God The way Cain and also some of the other beings describe it, because they all talked about the Ark. And what they all said is that basically the Ark was this... What they called one box of things It is THE treasure box! It has ALL the power in it All the things you would want! The Pandora's Box Exactly, the Holy Grail. And really all these symbols...the grail that you've heard of can be a stone or the grail can be a cup well it's because it's all part of the same contraption It's a box that somehow contains something that can give you anything you want Something that is ultimate power like godlike power and once I started looking into the Eden story a little bit more

36:53 not only in the Bible, but then also some of the way some of the secret societies portray it in their rituals. I got a bigger idea of what he was talking about and the idea is that yes this there was at one point... The beginning is thought of as Eden There was this treasure box there that contains like I'm saying this holy grail sort of object and really the value it had was that it could give eternal life That was really what Cain cared about And he said that he was trying to... He wanted youth for himself. He wanted eternal youth and he was trying to save Eve, his mother. He didn't want to watch her die so that you know His lust to contain and control this box which then makes you sort of the controller of everything if you have the box it gives it makes You in charge of everything somehow That's easy kept describing it also as the throne of Adam

37:49 So he said that there was this war in Eden over the throne of Adam, which was and it was also the Ark. And the war was between him and children of his actually descendants of his that had grown up and had their own kingdoms. You know so then he said I asked what kind of wars is this? What kind of weapons are you using? He said swords and axes. Then i'm thinking like Lord Of The Rings about all these guys like in some sort of fantasy realm having an old-fashioned war with hand to hand combat. But then somehow that results in

38:27 this whole kingdom going underwater, Eden. Years later I looked into this whole story a lot more like i said and piecing it together also with the Mesopotamian stories of the flood and all those stories link up to this object, The Plant Of Immortality supposedly that was there in the realm of the gods what it seems like is that almost all of Eden got submerged but then there's one part what the Rosicrucians refer to as the supernal Eden that was preserved. In the Bible it says God put the flaming sword around the tree of life, to keep it from Adam and Eve after they ate from the tree of knowledge all of a sudden God became concerned that they would eat from the tree of life and become immortal then nothing would be impossible for them he said like they have the knowledge of god now and now if they can just live forever they'll be able to do whatever they want

39:23 So I'm not going to let them do that, you know? Right. Off whole realm where the tree of life is whatever that is. It gets really tough because it's all seeped in a symbolism and you know, it's probably not a literal tree but it's something...it gets kind of hairy Well, it's probably not a literal tree but I'm getting glimpses the more I look into it of what is it and how does it provide immortality And it's strangely has something to do with the consumption of blood and the consumption of vital energy. Wow, now this is something that we hear about all the time in a conspiracy world that the elite are doing I've heard really creepy stories about them doing full blood transfusion rituals with children so the idea this vampiric idea of consuming blood is not that... It's not really that far removed from modern times

40:18 No, no. I mean...I think every day if I went looking for it I could probably find some news story that connects to this, whether it's like a story of someone that attacked another person to drink their blood or just a science story that comes out and oh by the way you know there is this great anti-aging technique that comes from drinking the blood young people. I mean there was a story about that just few months ago and similar things all time so yeah i mean its true in almost obvious if you think about but it's something that has been known about forever. This is one of the ways of preserving yourself, to consume the essence of things that are already young." In a weird way if you think about the efficiency of the universe... I have a lot of guests who talk about the universe being a perfect system and all this. It's kind of morbid but its almost like checks and balances for the population because if you want to keep older people around longer then your going to have to kill younger people

41:20 it's like almost like a weird balancing act to make sure that too many people aren't around because you can have one without the other. You're going to have young people growing up or you're gonna have old people sacrificing young people to stay around? Well, I mean what's the... It's hard to justify the value of keeping a population of elderly and not allowing young people to live. Agreed agreed. And of course it's That's why I objected to what you were saying about keeping some kind of balance. How is it any kind of balance? Of course, old people that are participating in a system like that are basically just refusing

42:00 to die or two age and they're always going to just request because there any old person any person who's an adult is stronger than a child and is able to overcome them so if they choose you know it just blatantly take something away from that child including their life the child has no defense so. There's no way that in system like that your ever going it's not it's not balancing out really. It's just the old people are going to feed off of the young until there aren't any left, right? Right. That's what I think is the inevitable result of that. Yeah. I mean, I definitely don't endorse that or anything, but it's kind of like a weird cause and effect. You know, it's not something where like the elite gaining mortality by eating a lot of pears, you know, it's like the cause of their sticking around would also affect the upcoming population of the planet. It's just a strange cause and effect

42:54 But I also did want to ask you about one real world example of this agenda of the elite and or maybe they're being controlled by the beings that they're communicating with, but you wrote about Obama's recent trip to Stonehenge saying that it was a further effort from the elite to open up a portal between this world and and the next. And I've had other guests who talk about this kind of thing and that being one of the major agendas of the elite Can you expand on that trip at all? Do you have any insights as to how it was more than just a a trip to an interesting monument but more it was like an actual attempt to further this agenda? Well, I'm just sort of reading into things that appear in the news and in pop culture these days. Like I said you see what can be interpreted as references to both these events in Eden that I am describing and also a future apocalyptic event And just like you said it's one of the... What the event really is this opening up

43:59 opening probably of hell, but also it's more like the collapsing of a pillar. There is this idea that there is a pillar between heaven and hell and earth connecting all these three realms and that if its disturbed in any way then it will collapse and they will all sort of join together And some people think that this is what's certain it's going to do in fact turn on the people around her basically saying well we don't know if i have. So and then you see the steven hawking the other day saying all that that is what's going to happen but,

44:35 As far as the Stonehenge thing, yeah. I mean it's weird you know these guys never just do anything off-the-cuff of course there was a meaning to it A reason why... You know I'm subscribed to the White House YouTube channel and I always get pissed off every day like this Why'd you make a video about that but don't make a video about this? And its always some kind of self congratulatory advertisement for how great Obama is It's so disgusting. So anyway, this is just one of those supposed to make him look cool and ooh, look at me I'm at Stonehenge but um you know yeah they choose which ones they're gonna do every day and the way they presented this one it definitely looked like he walks in and he's like getting the information from the curator of the place about where's the exact center of the monument? Where was...where's the sun on the solstice? It's over there oh okay! And as though he's like this master mason

45:28 you know, who has this deep understanding of sacred geometry. And he's like it's so wonderful being here I can feel the power and then he got winks at the camera too as he's doing this he's like spreading his arms out pointing towards where the sun would be during the solstice and he winks at the camera and it's just kind of...I don't know maybe it was meant to make him look like some sort of deity, yes. I get that! For someone who's looking into this type of thing you gotta raise your eyebrow to something like that with all the things going on in the world we're supposed to be so afraid of ISIS were supposed to be so afraid of Russia You're going to Stonehenge? The leader of our country is hanging out at Stonehenge it does make make you seem a little skeptical if your clued into this occult stuff yeah and so yeah I do see a lot references really that could be interpreted as

46:20 ushering in a new age that's literally collapsing these pillars and merging the worlds like I'm talking about, and opening up the gates of hell. Which is another thing that has emerged in the news lately you know Joseph Biden said it oh we're gonna open... We're going to follow Isis to the gates of hell! And he repeats it like two or three times to the very gates of hell! Hell is where they'll reside! Yeah I saw that too. I mean you know uh could be nothing but I just have my eyes open, like i said. And as far as is this something they're trying to do? Well just from my own experience...I told you that they persuaded me to do certain things and it wasn't just laid out in the beginning It was like I followed a path. I was pulled along like a fish on a hook. Do this and you'll get this!

47:13 write a book about this, write an article about this and present it in this way or present this information. And then they wanted... I had to you know all the spirit communications was sort of under the auspices of what my friends and i were calling the Ordo Lapsid Exilis. This was our little secret society group And eventually the spirits persuaded us to open it up to the public, take members from the public get blood oaths from them sent to us through the mail. Yikes! Then they wanted me to write a book for the second degree members of The Order so I basically went into a trance one day and wrote this thing in one day

47:56 I didn't quite finish it, because i got scared at the end actually. It was a really freaky thing! The document really scares me even to this day and but I put excerpts from that large excerpts most of most of the document really ended up in clock shavings and the thing was called The Strange Service Manual And uh...in there is a manual for what the quartermasters of the order who are also eligible to be priests if they wanted too We had we're trying to form an organizing priesthood as we called it and then writing magic rituals for how to contact bafflement. And then form a contract with him for your local lodge, and you in your local lodge could do all these rituals and you know he would have various results so the book at all these rituals in it and also the

48:53 which is the description of what the order's purpose was and what it was trying to do, what the purpose of the relationship with Baphomet was. And so what it ended up being like one of the last chapters in the book was all about um... What was called The Divine Right? Mm-hmm I'm channeling all this you know This is the only thing that I've ever written where I would say It was as close to automatic writing as I've ever gotten Wow Anyway, so what it was is the divine right is this thing that we would do once a year around December 23rd where we would Do a ritual pretending to be crowning the grail king and That every year as we would do. Oh the ritual goes like this that You crown him and then you sacrifice him And then he is possessed with the spirit of Baphomet Wow from it through him and but he becomes this transcendent transcended being

49:54 and becomes then the lord of the earth somehow, and is able to rule the earth. Wow! Well you know crowning him and sacrificing him where have we seen that before? You know that's Jesus right there Yeah yeah well... um... yeah it's at any rate so The idea was that if we do this every year And at the time we were also Ordo Lapsed Exilis actually became connected To this other thing called the Dragon Court That I was involved in at the time and guy running it at the time was Nicholas De Vere. He called himself Prince Nicholas de Vere von Drachenberg, and he said that there he was the king of this kingdom called Drachenberg and that it was like this right... Well first of all he said that he was a dragon. Dragons are like basically descendants of these fallen angels that I'm talking about, and he believed that they people of this bloodline had

50:51 extra special magical powers and that they were the rightful heirs to certain thrones. But he called the kingdom that they, that he ruled supposedly Dracenberg and he said that... He actually went around saying like the government of England and other people in governments throughout the world would recognize his kingdom And once it was created they would give it official recognition So we were connected with these people at the time and so when we're talking about creating the Grail Kingdom,

51:29 this in mind literally that this guy was going to be the Grail King and be put on the throne and then basically, you know play out what seemed to be the role of the Antichrist once you think about it. And The reason why we took his claim seriously at all It was simply because that's what Baphomet told us yeah at the time I I was friends with this guy, I was trying to help him publish a book or I told him that I would help him publish the book but I really wasn't trying very hard. I was busy with other things and at one point Baphomet had cursed us because we hadn't fulfilled our requirements to Nicholas De Vere to help him publish the book

52:12 And we said, you know why do you care about Nicholas DeVere? We're told because she is related. Baphomet is related to Nick so the spirits basically told us at that time they were corroborating in large part what Nicholas was saying about himself And if you think about it, Drackenberg is probably hell. That's actually the conclusion that I came to as I was writing this book and what gave me enough chills to put down my pen and say okay i have to think about what I'm doing here because I'm basically describing a ritual that would open up the gates of hell let this being Baphomet come through and possess this person. Man yeah Obama doesn't need to go to Stonehenge! You're gonna do the work for him

52:57 Yeah, well fortunately or maybe fortunately I guess Nick didn't seem to have become the Antichrist at all. He's dead now so someone else will have to play that role. Well, I wanted to double back a little bit to the pillars collapsing symbolism because of course we're recording this on September 10th it's gonna go up in a couple of days you know i'm kind of sick of the 9-11 thing over so many years and I don't want to do a 9-11 show every year on this date, but it's interesting. Do you think there is any type of occult connection or symbolism between the Twin Towers collapsing and the elite trying to usher in this type of portal opening? Probably! If that event was planned... And even if it wasn't a conspiracy

53:45 the government's it was probably somehow see so many things are being coordinated by demons I realize now you know. I mean, I don't mean...I know it sounds crackpot-ish to just declare that but I mean honestly this is just what I think is going on and there are these weird coincidences that happen and you think how could the conspiracy be that vast? But it isn't they're just working through people's minds mm-hmm in very subtle ways you know, anything really could be interpreted as somehow being an omen of what might be coming down the pike here. And it's frightening to think about because I enjoy living and I don't want time to stop or anything but that is what they keep talking about is not just

54:32 apocalyptic mass death and things like that, although that's part of the story. That's just part of it. And yeah, like you said pillars collapsing. That's really the end of the story where what it results in finally is basically a separation, an alchemical separation of elements of the good guys and bad guys, the good souls and bad souls. The things that are going to get preserved get put into the Ark one box of things. And this is described in Revelation as the New Jerusalem, it's this cubic city that descends from the sky and all the righteous people go inside and their names are written in The Book Of Life if your name isn't written there, you don't exist! You're stuck outside the gates of the cube and outside is chaos. So uh... This is what I think

55:28 happening and there's a game being played right now where the demons, the ones that are trapped on the lower realm think that they can play this game right in such a way that they will be the ones on the inside piloting the Ark in control of reality at the end. But how to play their cards just right because otherwise everything that the book of Revelation says will happen which is the preservation of these few righteous souls in this cubic city, as it's called. It's not really... I mean it's a city in a very weird sense not in a traditional sense but everything outside is going to be utterly annihilated so... Does not sound good! No, and also too you think well they'll be annihilated so it'll be no big deal

56:21 you know, at the end if you've been annihilated you won't know it because you won't be there right? Yeah that's true. But for some I don't think that's the end of it. It's described as the lake of fire they describe this eternal pain damnation so and I think it's kind of like the realm that they're in now only maybe worse but because the real that they're in now They say that they don't exist or that they're not alive and yet you can communicate with them, and they're doing things. So it means that they are somehow having to endure the pain of death but there's still some consciousness there so I think that somehow that is what happens in the end. And yeah...so I'd rather if happened later. Yeah! Of course

57:07 Man, this is all so fascinating and it's a whole different take on a lot of things that are talked about in the conspiracy world all the time but without this added context. So they seem a little bit off one example I've heard you say in other interviews that you don't think it makes sense for The Elite to just leave us a code. You know, a lot of people talk about oh well all these symbols and stuff they're telling us what they're doing they're leaving us a code to figure out and I'm with you i don't really think that makes much sense at all and you kind of alluded that it's probably the reason we see is probably just for the sake of the magic itself yeah and one more thing about 9-11 that I'm curious about as

57:45 You know, a lot of people talk about these references to it that have existed in movies and television way before the actual event. You know in The Matrix Neo's Passport expires on September 11th 2001. It's The Simpsons had a reference to it. The Rugrats movie had a reference to it and now I'm almost wondering if This is the demonic muse, you know? The influence of the subconscious of humanity trying to push us towards that type of event. Just a weird thought but I think that actually makes more sense than the idea that The Elite have just been laying out the breadcrumbs way before the event. Yeah...I think this is beyond human planning basically so

58:29 Yeah, all these little breadcrumbs as they're thought of. In a way they are bread crumbs because I do think that these things you're meant to meditate on them and kind of be entranced by them and be affected by them but the purpose really is through your mind contemplating it that affects reality see this is the role I think we play why they, the demons resent us and also need to somehow take what we have and control it is because we were put in the position of interpreting reality. And thereby in a way can defining it if not creating it you know God's the creator but somehow we're very instrumental and create in defining it through our perception

59:18 That's one of the things they need us for, and they're trying to utilize us drive us like a vehicle to not only do certain things but believe certain things because when we believe them it makes them true. Yeah right So yeah I think that some of these stories and archetypes that we get exposed to over and over again That's the effect that it has. It has, like you said a magical effect every time we're exposed to it is a ritual and It doesn't necessarily matter whether we're consciously aware of what it means or not Right although more and more people are becoming Consciously aware of it but it's almost too late at this point I mean I'm out of my depth completely when it comes to trying to analyze this stuff I mean for one thing I'm not really as plugged into pop culture as others

1:00:11 So I don't know what's going on in music and, uh...I had to cancel my TV subscription a couple weeks ago. I never even watched it so i don't know what all is going on but every time I look into it you know? I'm just overwhelmed! I could spend the rest of my life analyzing this stuff I would never there would be so much more produced in the time that I spent writing about it Yeah, it is definitely confusing at times But so let's say you got these demons or these fallen angels these entities and they've been persistent for who knows how long? Thousands of years maybe hundreds of thousands of years and now they're getting help from the powerful puppet masters on the planet. I mean it seems like

1:00:53 Things are ramping up and this is a weird time. But I mean, what can we do to? I guess fight back and not just like acknowledge it and sit and wait for it to happen I mean It seems like a pretty devastating time. I mean, is that inevitable? Is there anything we can do To have a more positive outcome here. I think it might be Inevitable yeah ouch if it's gonna happen so I mean, you know little things like trying to well even that i was going to say a few weeks or few years ago. I used to do interviews sometimes about economics and people would say what can we do? And you know I would give advice about maybe somehow trying to have a revolution or create self-sufficiency for yourself but that's just about preserving yourself from financial ruin

1:01:44 And obviously there's no advice if there is a mass death from nuclear war or diseases. These things seem like they're impending and coming, and then the larger thing of course is the collapsing of the pillars I really don't think we can do anything about that it's a much larger plan and has been in the works from the beginning this was all programmed in from the beginning Man, so I guess let me ask you then if can you give us any other examples of events in modern times that to you might Might point two possible attempts to open portals or have some type of relationship To doing the work of these entities. Well, you know everything that I might list was just be sort of a ritual and hypnotic effort

1:02:40 And there's many of those. But as far as actually trying to break open the gates, it's CERN I mean they've said that that's what they're doing and it's all throughout their logos and what they choose to call their projects The interviews that they do is what they say their experiments are They talk about Literally opening portals, but they say oh they're so tiny. I'm not gonna worry about early open a little bit of time just a fraction of a second wait I mean how long does it take for the universe to end? How much of an opening do you have to make I don't think that that can be measured or described right? I don't know what makes there's so confident about it. I mean, I guess maybe they've got big balls because they've done so many things in

1:03:28 working with the models of theoretical physics and they've been right or they feel like they've been right. But I also think that, I've always just thought theoretical physics is just kind of totally crackpot-ish but as you're exploring the quantum realms of atoms, I think they just keep finding what they are looking for Mm-hmm. And maybe that's isn't that part of the description of what quantum reality is that you're projecting so much of it, right? The observer effect well I mean it seems to me You know this is my just amateur observation is that they keep coming up with imaginary Particles and then they find them mm-hmm, and I don't know

1:04:15 what the failure rate is, but it just seems like the more they look the more they find what they think are going to find. Yeah like the more energy or the more detailed the concept you know as the concept or idea of a theory gets more defined then eventually they find it and maybe that speaks to humans ability to co-create the universe? It probably does but yeah I can't, i don't understand what they're doing and i don't think that very many people do. And that's really what scary about it no one knew what the people with the atom bomb were doing really you couldn't... It's very hard to just wrap your mind around it when they're trying to describe what they did to make that bomb well and that was a long time ago but their doing now is way more complicated right? Right! Again i just don't necessarily believe

1:05:10 have a handle on the consequences. Plus, you gotta think what if these guys are just possessed mad scientists? What I experienced with the way that talking to demons changed my perspective and what I thought was reasonable and what I would be willing to do basically just... And I basically thought I was just following the program because hey it's working! You know they're talking to me. I'm learning the secrets of magic I might as well just follow the program because i'm learning so much. Well if they're under a similar spell, whether they realize it or not from demons then their perspective of what they should go ahead and try is warped and they may know that they're opening a portal and think oh it'll be great you know we'll bring the demons in and though it will be a revolution... You've read The Book Of The Law

1:06:07 and the way Aleister Crowley portrays the apocalypse. I mean, obviously he was being told basically he and his friends are gonna be you know...the top cocks in the new world order and it's okay that everyone else is dying because you'll have your own seats of power and you'll be wealthy and be able to do whatever you want well I doubt that. Once the gate is open, basically there's no restraint from these beings

1:06:43 And, uh... I don't- Yeah. They're not going to hold their promises It's kind of like the sequel to Aladdin because we know Jafar turns into a genie an all powerful genie and he's putting the lamp and then he has to coax someone To bring him out and then once he is out He's like I don't give a fuck about you! I'm gonna kill you You know? I'm gonna just own everything your screwed now Oh yeah Well man Yes This has been a real blast. I mean, it's depressing and it's definitely dark but... ...I always am willing to explore what is going on beneath the veil, beneath the surface and if that stuff is dark then so be it! It doesn't mean that should be avoided, it means that should be talked about and understood So I really appreciate the conversation. I had like 8 pages of questions here We got to page 2 and then just went off into crazy land And I loved it, I loved it but I hope someday we can

1:07:36 have another conversation and talk more about the alchemical properties of money and the control system there, because that's a whole can of worms as well. But before I really do let you go, do you want to let people know again about your website where they can pick up some your previous books in your newest book? Yes yes Tracy Twyman dot com is my website It is easy to find too by googling All my books are at this point I'm just forwarding everyone to Amazon for almost all my books except the new one. Uh, I'm still selling autographed pre-selling autograph copies so um in about a week i'll be able to... The books will come from the printer finally and I'll be able to ship off all the pre-orders and so anyone who wants an autograph copy can buy one in the next week or so

1:08:23 And then I'll probably at that point just shut it off and send everyone to Amazon after that. Right on, awesome! Well Tracy thanks again be careful out there don't let yourself become some tool for the maestro of the apocalypse. Well i'l try. Alright well take care Thanks a lot There we have it people. Man I really love that show, communing with the demon masters of the elite Baphomet and Cain A dark new twist on the ancient alien story Child sacrifices for immortality He-Man Obama's trip to Stonehenge Portal opening in CERN Jesus Christ

1:11:17 And this gets into that scary stuff about enlightening yourself, eating the wrong apple and getting that knowledge. And the truth is just when you spend years working on yourself excelling in what you want learning about the world You might be in a position of power somehow I mean you might be stronger more intelligent more knowledgeable person and not alone has its powers But you don't have to use it to manipulate and enslave the people. Let me try to throw something out here, let's imagine there is a secret Masonic society of chefs where they learn how to cook like Masons know how to build. Gordon Ramsay would be the god damn Grand Master he knows he is awesome, he demands excellence for himself, he has achieved a high level of artistry in this life higher than many people ever will but uses it

1:11:59 to do these shows where he shows failing businesses how to have those types of standards for themselves. He's an example and I think, an inspiration for discipline focus drive And what it means For an enlightened person to share that gift To create a win-win for everyone. He is the Jesus of the food world or maybe The Lucifer? I don't know anymore So I guess to get back to it, nothing can go wrong by you expanding your reach knowledge opportunity and excellence. And some people will use convenient excuses like oh that occult stuff is bad or evil to keep us from doing the hard work or operating on a higher level But i say take up the magician's mindset command the universe to your will and live the life You want to live? What are you here for

1:12:42 But it's not easy. You really do have to do hard work, to manifest the things you want. Unfortunately a lot of people who do the work end up using it against the ignorant but we're not going to stop them by being ignorant We have to rise to powerful positions ourselves in one way or another and harness the same tools and education enlighten ourselves And then make better choices less selfish choices bring ourselves up to the table rather than complaining from the floor Like when Joe Rogan says, do you ever notice how the hippie people who just want to share everything never have anything to contribute? That's the stigma I want to change. I hate when I hear thoughts like that. That's the stigma we need to change So let's fight the good fight and make yourself a stronger player for team people We're gonna need it so that's it from me this week your move Baphomet your fucking move Swing dreams onto desert Travel the world

1:13:44 in the seventies everybody's looking for something some of them want to use you some of them wanna kiss bye some of them want to abuse you some of them want to be popular Sweet dreams are these, to deserve Travel the world in a seven seat Everybody's looking for some Some of them want to hurt you Some of them will kiss bye Some of them want to abuse you

1:15:28 Some of them to be I, oh yeah. I wanna use you and abuse you. I wanna know.