Tom Montalk | Demiurgic Technology, The Matrix Control Grid, & The Rosicrucian Endgame

00:17 The planet's puppet masters almost surely have a plan There clearly may be something there beyond the realm of man And until we thoroughly tested every last mischested view I find, think we know the less we really do Where would we be without THC? Lying to us just don't know the green Without T H, hire Sajat Shogre Kha It's the end of the world as we know it, but I feel fine. From The Sunshine State, I'm Greg Carlwood and as weird as the world can be, We'd be naive to automatically dismiss what is being said out on the fringes of counterculture And that includes everything from Earth being an energetic loose farm for arconic entities feeding on ignorant humanity To the vast controller class motivated by a known cosmic cycle of destruction maybe on infinite loop in whatever this reality really is

01:24 Because deception runs deep through nearly every orifice of the body politic and trust in authority or any established entity has eroded so much so that many have taken to obscure places in their own hunt for what's real and true. Rumour has it we're more powerful than we know with the ability to shape our own stories through manifestation, explore reality's vastness through the ethereal self Make complex packs with unseen entities, heal ourselves make miracles for others and explore exotic fields of information few even know are there. And when you reverse engineer how one might make their way towards a situation in which everyone lives in ignorance or downright denial of these things...

02:04 It ends up looking a lot like the world we have today. Well, if you don't know the work of today's guest Tom Montauk You are missing out as he covers nearly everything at the crossroads of consciousness conspiracy and the occult After studying physics and electrical engineering for four years He left college to pursue more independent research As you do much of that research can be found on his website of almost limitless information montauk net and is three books fringe knowledge for beginners, discerning alien disinformation and gnosis alchemy grail arc and the demiurge. He knows a lot about a lot and I'm psyched to get into all of it so let's do it! The deep knowledge seeker non-human entities teacher and king of hyperdimensional counterintelligence Tom Montauk welcome to THC

02:51 Hey, thanks so much for having me. Yeah man this is long overdue I've read and heard so much from you over the years You've been recommended on our guest request forum plenty of times and i'm glad you're willing to take the time What really seems to set you apart is that you're not just a great researcher in the conventional sense, but you also seem to have a lot of personal experiences that factor into this work. Dozens of entity encounters and abductions from your childhood in Germany being antagonized outside of your home indications that you are monitored and maybe even that people are injected into your life to deceive

03:28 These are the pieces of the puzzle a lot of us don't have. Talk to us about how you fold in all those personal experiences back into your worldview and demiurgic matrix control grid model of reality? Wow, yeah thanks for that great introduction by the way and yeah you set up an excellent question because You know, a lot of people they become researchers but they do it from more third-party distant perspective where they read a lot of books and they summarize it and talk to people. And you need those kinds of researchers out there to collate a lot of information but it really helps to have some personal experience too so that you have kind of base of knowns that you can extrapolate from

04:08 So for example, if I had gone into the UFO field and researched all those topics and abduction reports strictly as an academic like John Mack or David Jacobs, those kinds of people. Well you have to be extremely open-minded in order to even believe enough of it to have the motivation to put the books out However, if you have some abduction experiences yourself well now you have the context. You're already going into it as a believer and now you're just trying to put the puzzle pieces together trying to figure out what exactly is going on and um... A lot of people who are skeptics they might spend decade or more just trying to convince themselves

04:45 that the phenomenon is real. And that's a lot of lost time, so if you start out already believing then you can get right down to the business of who they are why are they here? You know what does it all mean and so that's why when I was 13 years old that's when i got a library card and I started reading all the UFO books that I could metaphysics books physics you know new age psychology whatever just trying to figure out what was going on with my childhood abduction experiences and my demon and ghost encounters. My mom, she had her share of experiences too so I grew up in a household that was very creepy at night especially i mean i slept with my back against the wall with one eye open with the cassette recorder going playing story time tapes just trying to make it through the night you know? It was like that movie Evil Dead or something where you're just trying to make it through till next morning and then went on for many years

05:36 So that was my introduction to the world and at the time I took it for granted that's just how things were. But of course, as you get older and start talking to other people and other kids, you realize well that's not how things normally are for most people but that's okay! You know? I think my experiences were allowed a higher level so that i could start investigating in field and try to figure out solutions to lot of these mysteries so that I can share with other people and hopefully save them lots of same time and trouble that I had to go through too...to kind of put pieces together Heck yeah, that is a great point about the wasted time spent wrestling with the possibility that something could be real whereas right out of the gate you knew it was. And you seem very data-driven I really like the Twitter threads you make and You have a diagram called the Hyperdimensional Nonhuman Intelligent Beings Map

06:28 And I think we'll be able to pull it up so everyone can take a look at it. But talk to us about how you've ranked and categorized everything from helpful thought forms, to archons and archangels? Yeah, so we're confronted with the problem when he starts studying the paranormal which is that we have all different kinds of beings that could be out there We have everything from aliens... To ghosts... To thought forms... Demons... Archons... Angels alien hybrids, guardian spirits, crypto terrestrials. Right? It's a huge spectrum and it's very tempting to try to say oh it's all demons or it's all angels or it's all just some nebulous uh ultra-terrestrial that trickster that's just disguising itself in different forms and while that may exist if there's one thing I've learned from all my research is don't ever put all your eggs in one basket you know you have to diversify and usually the truth tends to be

07:24 all of the above as opposed to just one single thing, right? So when it comes to these kinds of entities I really thought about okay well how do you start classifying the different types and i realized that there are basically three axes that you can arrange them on. Okay so one axis or one axis is physical versus non-physical because I mean we're physical but things like ghosts they're not physical so there's that spectrum um so there's that they're simple to advanced and there is negative to positive intentions, you know with neutral being in the middle. So you can imagine they're being three different axes there and so if you look at my diagram... well those of you who are listening I guess you can go to my Twitter feed and try to find it there but in my diagram I have two different planes okay? One plane is a physical plane, the other plane is a non-physical plane

08:16 and on each plane the left side is negative beings, the right side positive beings. And one plane as I mentioned is physical and the other one's not physical and then as you go up the plane it goes up in terms of sophistications or evolution so we as humans in our physical form because we have limited intelligence and we're physical and we die at age 70 80 or whatever there's not really a lot of time in our lives to develop the kind of wisdom and knowledge and skill set that other higher beings might have who live for centuries or who are immortals. So naturally they would be higher up in the scale, so this chart that I have starts at the bottom with everyday truth seekers like us And above us you might have people like benevolent leaders, the ones who are almost like saints The ones who are movers and shakers of history that do really good things

09:07 And then above them you might have positive secret societies, the ones who actually train and employ and select and carefully nudge and guide those benevolent leaders. You can go up the scale to let's say if there are positive aliens they'd be above them and above them would be what we would call angels or archangels or divine light beings. And you can all the way up to the top to the infinite creator so that creates a scale on the positive side now if you shift over to the negative side of the physical plane well you start with the everyday um the everyday sociopaths or psychopaths and i'm sure a lot of you might have someone at work or someone in your family or someone you've known who's just a real um uh a-hole okay and above them, you would have the professional sociopaths. And they're the ones who become the leaders in terms of let's say politics or military or criminal organizations or corporations who really have it out for

10:02 the everyday good people, right? You know they're the ones who set up the conditions of suffering and totalitarian oppression on a local micro scale within the family or let's say at school or within work or within governments or nations. Right it scales up because it's all fractal and above them you would have negative secret societies Above them you would have, let's say negative alien groups that are influencing those negative secret societies and so on. And that goes up the physical scale now if you shift to the other plane... To the non-physical scale well at the very bottom positive you might have what I call helper thought forms which are just um the emissions that we generate through our positive thinking or positive feeling that kind of feed back and generate even more positive experiences through this mind reality feedback loop okay? That's like a lower thing and above them you could have let's say

10:50 friends or family members or partners who have departed and now they're on the other side of the veil, you know. Now they're deceased but they're still watching you, they're still helping you and guiding you And if we do a lot of research into reincarnation studies or afterlife studies If you look at certain highly skilled mediums like Matt Fraser for example You can see how we have people on the other side of the veil that are still there. They're still conscious, they just don't have physical bodies but they're watching us and they're guiding us through life and above them you might have what are called tutelary spirits. They're not necessarily human or they could've been but um... They stay on the other side permanently and their job is to kind of watch and guide us in a more spiritually

11:35 remedial or curriculum-oriented way, and above them you have positive angels and so on. So what I'm saying is this dissonant class of beings you can divide it into positive versus negative more sophisticated versus less sophisticated and physical versus nonphysical now the important thing the reason why i created this particular graph is because i wanted to show how the physical plane and the not physical plane as you go up in terms of evolution They merge at the top. Yes, yeah. That's something I was going to ask you if that was just a function of the design or intentional because they do kind of come together Yeah and the reason why i mention that is uh... If you take for example um The topic of demons

12:19 If you encounter a very low demon, it's not even a demon. It's more like a negative thought form. It's like basically an astral ankle biter that's all it is okay? So I got some annoying little thought form but to create still nightmares that makes me stressed out at night and ruins your day that sort of thing But it doesn't have a human level of sentience so a human serial killer can be more intelligent and more malevolent than this little tiny demonic minion However as you go up the scale of demonic sophistication the demons become increasingly intelligent, psychic, telekinetic and they gain increasing level of power over the physical plane. So at the very top you can have these beings that could manifest very strong physical effects like telekinesis throwing you around breaking your bones seeing like you see in Hollywood horror movies that sort of thing

13:09 While at the same time, if you go up the scale of ET evolution, the higher up you go, the less physical these ETs become because they overcome the limits of space and time. And so they gain mastery over their physical bodies Okay, and so it's possible for them to shift into an etheric state that's not even physical although they can shift back very easily. But they mostly remain in this non-physical etheric state So the very top of the ET hierarchy is very similar and very close to the demonic hierarchies demons because they can become more physical or telekinetic and aliens because they could become less physical and more etheric. So it's very, very possible that the top of the negative alien hierarchy and the top of the demonic hierarchy are one in the same, and that is what the Gnostics called the Archons. The Archons were sort of the lead

13:56 spiritual totalitarians, I guess of our reality system. Yes that is a great breakdown and very interesting take because yes so many people are trying to figure out are they aliens or demons and you make a good point that as you scale up in the abilities of a certain being you are kind of splitting hairs And I want to jump over to your book Gnosis, Alchemy, Grail, Ark and Demiurge because you write about the tall white Nordic aliens that we do hear stories about but you frame them in a unique way as keepers of the grail. To quote the book The human lineage they selected were superhumans tasked with guarding the grail stone, carrying out the dictates of Christ. We know them by various names followers of Horus, Grail Knights, Rosicrucian, Secret Christian Church etc They are very likely human-alien hybrids seeded into the population and then recruited into these spiritually elite organizations to fulfill a greater purpose

14:56 They walk among us, pretending to be human. Some are integrated into society and hold strategic positions whether to influence or simply observe they are genetically compatible with us and some of their females have engaged human males for sexual encounters and even long-term relationships Throughout history, they have selected certain humans or perhaps their own offspring slash hybrids raised in human society for privileged education training and guidance so that these human proxies can function as vectors for their agenda be it benevolent or hostile to mankind at large.

15:32 Well, tell us what brings you to that conclusion about them and let's back it up and talk about the grail itself too because obviously there are a lot of different takes on what the grail is. I like yours! Sure, so well the first thing I should clarify is that typically when we think about alien-human hybrids we only think about it from the perspective of the modern abduction phenomenon where you have gray aliens their genetics being hybridized with our genetics who supposedly create a race of hybrids that have the best of both but that's total BS. It's actually the worst of both um these those types of hybrids they're more servile than we are they're less capable of independent thinking they're more psychic they might be more intelligent but they lack that spark of independence

16:14 that we have, okay? That realness. So that's not the kind of hybrid I'm talking about here... What's probably an offshoot race of our species that probably diverged from us, you know possibly 80 thousand 200 thousand years ago and who knows if they went into another dimension and became interdimensional or if they went to other worlds And gained interdimensional powers there with it. It's hard to tell exactly what the case may be However one thing we do know for sure is that they look human They are genetically compatible with us They are amongst us and they can interbreed with us so It's almost like we have these superhuman relatives looking at us through the veil. Not the veil that our departed loved ones are behind, but I'm talking about more like a physical etheric dimensional veil and it's almost like a sideband reality. That's where they are okay? It's like this sideband reality

17:08 Because they're so close to us both vibrationally, I guess you could say and also genetically. They have a very invested interest in how our planet develops through time Okay So that's why they would be involved in steering history as much as they can You know interbreeding with certain bloodlines Seating some of their own hybrids here amongst us and I don't know if it's even appropriate to call them hybrids, you know? I mean if you if you Married someone who's of a different race for example when he had a kid we don't call it a hybrid We just call it just your child. So I guess maybe they're not really hybrids, but we would consider off-world genetics just because it's not the typical gene pool that we draw from when you go on a dating app or something right? Okay so that having been said let's go back then to the Holy Grail and other ancient technologies like The Ark of The Covenant now why are these important well they're important because...I mean they literally shaped history okay

18:03 If you go back to the Ark of the Covenant, if you read The Old Testament Exodus Leviticus those books and all it I mean those all get into The Ark of the Covenant but there are other traditions too that also talk about that kind of technology. For example in Persian mythology the cup of Jamshid is a similar thing as the Ark of the Covenant and then they can generate food out of thin air, food or drink out of thin air like the Ark of the Covenant generating manna which fell from the skies which the Israelites would then collect up and make food out of okay? That's what they would eat Anyway, so this technology the way to understand it is you have to go all the way back to alchemy and that's where I start in my Gnosis book. I start with a topic of alchemy and the question is okay well what is the philosopher stone? And how has it been made? The basic principle behind it is that you start with a mineral ore

18:54 that is something that can break down under moisture over a long period of time. So if you keep repeatedly exposing it to moisture, it starts breaking down into other chemical components. However, if the moisture that you use is actually a moisture drawn from the skies that is laden with cosmic etheric energies then as this moisture interacts with the ore and breaks it down, that etheric energy gets stored in the chemical product of this breakdown process So then over time, this breakdown product is a substance that is increasingly saturated with etheric energy the more and more you do it. Until eventually the etheric energy becomes so strong that the very laws of chemistry begin breaking down and you wind up with a substance that under normal chemical laws isn't possible like it shouldn't be doing that but it IS doing it okay? And so once you have this salt, this magical salt laden with etheric energy

19:50 you take it through further processes, the same way you fan a fire to make it hotter and hotter and hotter. And you wind up with an eventual product which is the philosopher's stone which is so imbued with etheric energies that it's not even... You can't even consider just a mineral anymore! It's almost like a living stone. That's literally what they call it. They call it a vegetable stone because just like a plant has very strong etheric energy field that makes it almost living Now if you were to take the stone and you were to grind it up and take a little grain, put it in water wine and drink it. The etheric energy is almost like holding a lighter to a dry tree. The tree bursts into flames well if you take it within yourself You are the tree And the phosphorous stone is that fire It's this etheric fire So it ignites you etherically and you become clairvoyant, you gain life extension

20:40 And some people claim that it can also move you beyond space and time itself. Kind of like in Star Wars when Obi-Wan Kenobi, you know died but not really he kind of transcended, he kinda descended. It's kinda like that yeah just and there are stories of Fulcinelli who is one the most famous modern alchemists how he faked his own death and uh he was seen a few decades later decades younger than when living in this commune, like this isolated little community, this enclave that itself seemed to be outside of time. It's almost like he wasn't fully within reality okay? So that's that and other alchemists likewise they live you know 500-1000 years so it makes you wonder if alchemy like this had been discovered let's say 40 000 years ago well

21:33 Those ancient people, if they would have lived let's say a thousand years or even more how much knowledge could they accumulate in that time? If they had psychic abilities right how powerful would they become well they would automatically become the secret societies of that time. They would become the ones who would learn mathematics and geometry and astronomy so well that they would probably encode these in the megaliths that we have distributed all around the world, the pyramids. So you know, the knowledge that went into the pyramids and megaliths, that sort of technology I mean, you can't really develop that within a single lifetime of 70 years. You have to be super genius to some extent. You have to either an alien or a secret society member that is gifted with some degree of immortality through the Philosopher's Stone...something like that okay? Now, the reason why i mention this because if you take this Philosopher's Stone idea

22:23 and you advance it by a couple more orders of magnitude of sophistication and complexity, you might end up with let's say a crystalline sphere or some sort of emerald looking tablet. that is like the philosopher's stone imbued with a very strong etheric energy field, but it's so strong that it also has its own intelligence. Because the thing is anytime you take etheric energy and you kind of make a construct out of it if you make it sophisticated enough You can give an internal feedback loops That turns them into what would be called a tulpoid I mean a Tulpa or thought form or an Egregor Okay, that's what those things are. They're just etheric non-physical constructs that are programmed to act in an intelligent way so they're like etheric AI essentially okay? So you can imagine how this technology if you go beyond the phosphorous stone and create a device or a crystalline object

23:16 is programmed in a more sophisticated way but still has the powers of the Phosphor Stone, well now it's no longer something you imbibe and gives you longer life. Now it is something that irradiates you with its field and you automatically can turn thoughts into physical things. It will give you longer life... And those are all the properties that you find in the story of The Holy Grail. The Holy Grail was cared for by chaste virgins who were pure very spiritual and they would carry it, and they would put it before the grail knights. And the grail knights will hold out their plate and whatever food they would think of who materialize on the plate. And this kind of goes back to the Ark of the Covenant because likewise the Ark of the Covenant well

23:58 Interestingly, every single day of the week the Ark of the Covenant would manifest as manna out of the sky except for the day before the Sabbath because on the Sabbath everyone's supposed to like not work. Okay and that's when no manna would fall from the sky so it's almost as if someone was working the Ark of the Covenant to generate this manna to precipitate it out of the ethers okay and on the Sabbath Day they're not supposed to be working so they don't work so therefore there's still mana that falls from the sky so therefore twice the amount would fall a day before and that's what they would you know that's what would tie them over through the Sabbath day. But it's the same principle, someone was using probably their thought energy power to manifest this food from the sky and you know same as a Holy Grail manifesting food on the plates of the Knights and likewise The Ark Of The Covenant also required a kind of priesthood, the Levite priests to take care of it because they wouldn't allow itself to be touched by anyone else And if he did try to touch it, you weren't pure enough or didn't have the right genetics and it would fry you or give you some sort radiation sickness and you would die

24:56 So, there's this ancient technology that is related to alchemy but has a higher extrapolation of it that is capable of using its very strong etheric energy field to bend space and time, materialize thoughts, heal people, give them life extension, supernatural paranormal powers. And so once again the question is well then who created it? How did these technologies even come about? And the only thing that I can say is that it would require someone who was superhuman and who has superhuman levels of technology to be able to create something like this. So whether it was the ancient Atlanteans or aliens, or this breakaway superhuman bloodline that diverged from us probably like I said 70 thousand 80 thousand years ago

25:39 It has to be one of those, okay? And that is what brings it forward to what we were talking about now with this Nordic type alien bloodline. Because if you go back in tradition, okay... If you trace back where does the Holy Grail tradition come from It's very interesting. If you ask an ordinary person, like where does the Holy Grail story come from? And they look it up on Wikipedia it'll say oh it comes from um the 1100s where uh Chrétien de Troyes and Wolfram von Eschenbach a couple decades later they wrote these really long epic poems about the Arthurian knights in Percival and the Holy Grail and the grail knights and the grail quest They wrote those poems back then and that was what sort of kicked off the story of the holy grail however

26:26 they were merely drawing on information that had already been circulating orally, through oral transmission for several centuries. So the original Grail stories didn't happen in the 1100s it happened many centuries earlier and it was only passed down orally you know through sacred societies until eventually was put into a more poetic epic form which could be told okay? So if you, one of the sources that I found very useful in this regard is a book called The Ninth Century and the Holy Grail by Walter Johannes Stein. Now he was an anthroposophist, meaning he was of the school of Rudolf Steiner and his beliefs. But he was tasked with... So it's a real Steiner. He is an interesting guy because he was very knowledgeable and he was clairvoyant. He knew things both research but also through a psychic vision. And so he told Walter Johannes Stein, he said if you want to know the history of the Holy Grail go look in the ninth century and see what you can find. And that's all he said

27:27 So, Johannes Stein he said okay fine I'll do that and he researched it and sure enough Steiner was bang on. He's totally right! And what he found is that the earliest possible introduction of the Grail myths into European history was right around 750 AD. That's when their very beginning was. The story is that a priest who was visited by supernatural being who handed him visions and handed him a book that had the story of the Grail written in it the idea, the concept of the grail. It's very similar to Mormonism with the Moroni, that being called Moroni coming down to Joseph Smith and giving him the golden tablets and so on it's a similar spiel you know that's what these higher beings tend to use That's how they start new religions or new cultural impulses They just visit someone they give them a bunch of stuff And then the person comes out and becomes like a zealot for their cause That's sort of how it works Well interestingly enough 750 AD What other interesting things happened around that time?

28:27 There's this famous Rosicrucian book. It's famous within amongst the Rosicrucians, oh and the Rosicrucians by the way they are... The real Rosicrucians they are a network of highly psychic Christians, Christian mystics that's pretty much what they are that's all they are really um and nowadays if you were to join AMORC which is uh the American Order of the Rosicrucians stuff well that particular society that's just like a modern interpretation of it I mean they're not the real Rosicrucians I don't want to use the term wannabes, that's too pejorative. But it's people who emulate it they did their best to put a little spiel together you know that summarizes Rosicrucian beliefs as best that they can do as they can determine it and then they call themselves Rosicrucians but they're more like derivatives okay

29:09 The original Rosicrucians, they were Christian mystics who were extremely psychic. And because they were psychic they're able to converse with and interact with higher angelic beings who fill them in on the bigger picture and what's really going on and what their divine task is within the history of humanity. So that's why they are a positive secret society because they ultimately serve the divine will but they do it through a higher understanding than just your regular Christian who only reads the Bible in a more literal kind of way okay? So anyway, so within their tradition there is this interesting book called the Comte de Gabales. Okay so the Comte de Gabales that's name of the book and it's a book from 1670 put out by a guy named Abbie De Villers now interestingly enough this guy wrote this book in order to expose the influence of non-human intelligences on human history

30:01 So he gets all into the class of beings called elementals, which are sylphs, nymphs, gnomes and salamanders. By the way these four beings they're all humanoid so even though we think about salamanders nowadays as little lizards that you know run around no back then it was a code word for essentially reptilian-looking humanoids that were associated with fire. Whoa! And the gnomes were humanoids that were kind of short and associated with Earth, right? And then nymphs... nymphs were basically for the most part beautiful superhuman looking women associated with water and sylphs were superhuman men and women associated with air

30:39 So it's kind of interesting that nowadays within the abduction field you always hear about greys, which are like short. You hear about reptilian humanoids and you hear about these Nordic type beings I find the correspondence between those two curious whatever that means Whatever that means Right? so-so That's pretty interesting And reason why mention this text is because Of all the different historical episodes at sites About elementals, you know, interbreeding with humans or creating these half human half self Superhumans that became like I mean, I like Hercules or Alexander the Great supposedly were half-half human half divine his demigods Well one of the events that it relates happens right around 750 AD the same time that you Walter Johannes Stein figured out. The grail story was introduced into Europe and

31:29 So what happened around 750 AD? Well, that was during the reign of Pepin I also known as Pepin the Short. He was a father of King Charles also known as Charlemagne or Charles The Great so Charlemagne of France, king of France his father was Pepin I and he ruled right around 750 to like 70 80 something like that could have been...I mean i'm being approximate there well according to this book Right around that time period, there was a Jewish magician who was in contact with these elementals, these sylphs. And he convinced them to show themselves to the world, to introduce themselves to the world and supposedly that's what they did so all over France well actually moreso like the northwestern parts They showed themselves wearing uniforms in the skies, in ships and flying squadrons okay it's almost like a mass disclosure event at the time

32:23 And they showed themselves to the people in order to introduce themselves and say like, hey we're here. We don't mean any harm or just letting you know that we coexist with you. Well people were so panicked that they thought it was some sort of satanic sorcery that a lot of pandemonium broke out. So as the story goes, as a sign of goodwill these sylphs thought okay you know what we'll do? We will abduct Ram random people from the population. We'll take them back to our realm, our world and we will show them our beautiful republic, show them that everything's great and then we'll put him back and they can tell their locals that hey you know we've personally witnessed that they mean us no harm and everything is good so that was the theory but guess what happened? These people were abducted as they were brought back and seen being lowered from the skies

33:10 all the locals thought that they had been taken by Satan or something and were sorcerers, that they had been consorting with the devil. So a lot of them were killed by drowning or being burned at the stake unfortunately and so yeah things didn't get better. This went on for a while until Charlemagne during his reign he had to institute laws outlawing the contact of elementals with the human population at large. Interesting! Yeah, yeah so that I mean this is all in the Comte de Gabala's book okay? So the interesting thing about that is even though Charlemagne banned them from having mass contact evidence seems to point to the idea that he still allowed private contact with members of his own court or of his own bloodline

33:57 So what evidence I assume just other things that you've picked up from the writings. Yeah, yeah exactly Yeah so for example It was during the reign of Charlemagne That the original grail Knights said we read about in the story You know from like they did the real King Arthur at the time and the real parts of all I mean They didn't have those names but they had their other other names like oh What was it? Had a written down except for I keep forgetting what the name is Well, anyway one was Knight Hugo another one was like Walter Rauchenau something like that. Anyway yeah there we go Waldo of Reichenau that was his name so they're people in this court who became the proto the historical proto figures of the later Grail Knights that were in the stories of the 1100's

34:41 And during Charlemagne's reign, not only is that when the original grail knights were formed. That is also when chivalry became codified or actually that's what it originated so the code of chivalry which isn't you know It's not just about like buying flowers for women or holding doors open for women No, it was like an actual code of conduct for Knights in service to their King now There was a lot of spiritual It's kind of like in Japan with the feudal knights, they had this code of honor. It's the same sort of template but it was transposed into Europe and it was highly associated with all the ethos, all the principles, all the ethics that as best I can tell these superhuman selves imparted upon

35:27 the civilization of the time, the culture of the time. They were the ones who seeded this code of chivalry, this idea of higher honor self-sacrifice courtly love you know denying your base or impulses in order to bring it to a higher spiritual level because that sort of concept did not exist in Europe prior to that point and all of a sudden during the reign of Charlemagne remember he was the son of Pepin I which is when the Silph first introduced themselves It was during that time period that this almost Gnostic pagan pagan spiritual impulse was seeded all of a sudden into Europe at the same time that these sylphs showed up, same time that they're making contact with people and probably also interbreeding with some of the royal nobility there in order to gain a foothold within European political culture at the time. So that's why I'm saying that they probably had a role in that because there is no other good explanation about where this higher spiritual impulse came from

36:19 during that time and it aligns with Walter Johannes Stein's research saying 750 AD, it aligns with the origins of chivalry and it aligns with Charlemagne in his reign. And just how great and mighty a king he was with all the innovations and everything surrounding that so yeah So does seem to me that was more sort of limited disclosure event at the time And because Charlemagne outlawed it on a mass level, it wasn't public disclosure anymore but it was still like private contact between the elites of the time and those things. And you know what? Nowadays, it's very similar situation where probably due to some national security laws and treaties that our government might've made with non-human beings they're not allowed to just mass contact us. They can do in unlimited ways

37:06 towards some sort of eventual disclosure event. However, behind the scenes in secret these beings are still contacting different contactees probably still dealing with a secret military personnel you know still doing some sort of interaction with them and so on So yeah the situation between nowadays and 700s and 800s AD is really not all that different Right, man. That's a great breakdown and yes just to go through some of my notes on the grail stone and take it back to the philosophers' stone like you said that's kind of another example of what you call demiurgic technology say that's kinda low demiurgic technology because it only affects things on a chemical level And then the Grail Stone might have been an example of higher

37:54 Demiurgic technology because it affects things on the ethereal. And what I thought was really interesting about your breakdown here is you talk about these stones kind of coming from space, or as they say falling from heaven and this is a motif I hear in other contexts there's the stone cradle that seems to be a healing stone that came on a meteor with a beam of light that this secret society in Girona Spain calls Lucifer And it's hard to say sometimes if Lucifer is a being's name or title of a light bringing being, which is a being that just brings the technology. Which oftentimes is some kind of stone or rock or meteor or something like that but like you said there are parallels too today where The Invisible College talks about

38:44 the gifting fields out in the Nevada desert and they go out there after they perform some sort of rituals and they look around, they sift around for meta materials that are given to them which it's usually in an ET context but I put it more than spiritual context like something from the higher planes manifests a physical object and gives it to the people who they're in contact with. It's really wild, but I just wanted to read this here where you say the grail stone is an example of what is hereby called demiurgic technology. This technology alters the etheric and astral

39:25 matrix code beneath reality to reshape it. In actuality, the Grail was a magical stone capable of manifesting thoughts into physical reality It possessed an oracle-like intelligence that directed its superhuman guardians into carrying out the divine will It was a stone that fell from heaven Or rather was brought to earth by a troop of angels That remained neutral when Lucifer waged his war against God In other words, it's an alien artifact brought to this planet and entrusted to an elite human lineage. And that might be hybrids, it might be the Rosicrucians but when you say it is a technology that alters the matrix code and reshapes it I'm curious what you mean because you say something similar about The Ark I believe just trying to find it in my notes

40:16 refer to it as basically the lock and key of reality. I have so many notes, it's hard to find that quote but something akin to the lock and key of reality... So we know what an oracle does and we know what manifestation is but you start to use terms like that and its a little unclear what were talking about What does it mean to kind of recode The Matrix? And be the key and locked to our reality Yeah, yeah. So that's sort of the main point of my Gnosis book which is that if you have a device and it's not just devices its a living occult divine organism to some extent If you have something like that can reshape they can turn thoughts into reality Can it turn higher divine thought into reality itself? Can it generate

41:09 a reality. I mean, according to the myths it can generate things within reality but is there an aspect of it that's so powerful that it can generate a reality in itself? And you could think of it like the central server of a massive online multiplayer game. So the central server is what is tying all our individual instances together into a shared experience and we live in that world, it functions real for the most part because you can run into a wall or bush and you might get deflected in the game. However, it is all being simulated or generated ultimately by the central server and the central server needs to run on something, it needs to run on silicon CPU's GPU's network connections

41:53 So what if there is an occult analog to that where you have the semi-metaphysical, semi-physical technology that serves that role to coordinate our own individual realities together into a shared reality? And this kind of gets into simulation theory which I'm sure you've probably talked about on your show before. So with simulation theory usually people talk about it in terms of just pure technology like oh maybe our reality is fake and we're actually running on a computer that's existing a million years from now by some alien civilization And that's possible, however the simulation theory doesn't fully hold up when you take into consideration let's say synchronicities manifesting spiritual lessons and so on because those things have to do with feeling meaning

42:38 purpose, spirituality all the traits of pure consciousness. Not necessarily what you would expect of a digital simulation which would only be responsible for generating the game world in terms of laws of physics and linear time and persistence throughout time history and so on. So... You know being a guy who played video games like you can make a game that is spiritual in tone that contains spiritual elements, it can be programmed in like anything. Like a dragon could be. Yeah you know yeah you could program that in the issue is that for us at least

43:15 the spiritual experiences that we have, they're very customized and very tailored and very responsive to only our consciousness in a way that requires something that can read at the inner depths of our spiritual needs. Right! They're personal yeah good point Yeah they look little more personal so I guess it would be possible however in that case whatever did program the game itself would have had to have spiritual wisdom and knowledge So one way there's a divine spiritual component somewhere in that equation, whether it is within the game or whatever can design the game or something that is strictly belonging to us as the players of the game and not necessarily the programming of the game itself. So, you know it's somewhere in there. Okay so um...so to answer your question then about what do I mean by The Ark or The Grail being this almost like a key system to reality? Well what i mean is that if you have something like that which is so influential on history It essentially generates an entire timeline. Okay for example

44:16 Nowadays we see what's happening in Israel and the Palestinians, and the whole conflict with the Mideast. And how there could be a war being kicked off with Iran at any moment if things really pop off Well that would be very bad for us right? But where does that all originate? Well if you trace it back in time It originates to the ancient Israelites being kicked out of Egypt with the Ark of the Covenant and using the Ark of the Covenant to pillage their way north to their so-called promised land. And it's only because with that technology that they survived that process and were able to establish, uh... ...their civilization back then. Therefore, that is why we have Israel nowadays as a ghostly echo of that ancient glory So, their existence in everything happening nowadays I mean if Iran launches either nuclear or more likely cyber attacks on the US

45:06 Life as we know it goes down the tubes, trace it back in history. You can trace it back to the Ark of the Covenant allowing the Israelites just survive and establish their civilization more than 3000 years ago exactly I mean right around 3500 years ago so this kind of technology if it is alien in origin or if you believe in the time travel theory if it's sent from the future It is something that entered our world and changed it severely, fundamentally and irreversibly. And so therefore it acted as almost like the inception point for history as we know it and that's why I put it at the very pivot point of the timeline you know in one timeline it did not exist So therefore the Israelites did not survive and any other timeline existed and Israel survived and we have history as we know nowadays including World War II which is fought over the Jewish question as well amongst other things

45:58 Yeah, that's a great breakdown. I did find the quote... Altogether, one could say its primary role is to begin and end timelines while its secondary role is to blend the timeline along the way depending on who controls it. So yeah just like what you're saying and I wanted to jump up to the present because you have so many interesting things to say about the present timeline in situation we're in and time was just flying by

46:38 Let's talk about what you call the Rosicrucian endgame. I like that term, how would you describe their agenda and what we should expect and how close it is to fulfillment? So the Rosicrucian agenda... You have to think about them as alchemists, alchemical engineers of civilization so they're practicing planetary alchemy which is to transform human civilization into a higher state, higher spiritual state. So more noble, more refined, more intelligent longer living, more sophisticated kind of human as opposed to the base metal human which you see when you walk out into the streets and look around or look at these… Yeah right? Or like you can go to any public place like Walmart or something and you can see how just ordinary people live their lives

47:29 And it seems okay, you know. It's okay, it's fine but there is actually nothing really compared to the level that they want to take things so they would they want to take us too...it's almost like earlier what I described about when someone takes a philosopher stone and they get transformed etherically psychically you know almost like transcending space-time They wanna do that planet wide to our entire civilization and essentially bringing us up to speed or up to the level of these higher beings that already exist right now. I'm talking about these superhuman non-human intelligences or maybe they are human but they're like a different kind of humans that are more advanced, that have already done this previously. They've already gone there. So just to step in here we hear a lot about the planet needs to raise its consciousness We might be in a cycle of catastrophe and we keep going through this loop where were trying to raise our consciousness to a certain level...we maybe don't get there

48:23 and the cosmic cataclysm knocks us back down or something. So, the Rosicrucian endgame would be... Sounds like a positive thing if they're trying to shepherd this evolution in because it seems like the major forces are trying to keep that evolution from happening and I consider the modern Rosicrucians to be kind of the invisible college, the people who are behind ufology and that sort around. Because they talk about venerating and having a lot of respect for Rosicrucianism and Jacques Vallée says he is a Rosicrucian so he's in that milieu

49:00 Is that who we're talking about in your eyes? Are we talking about the Invisible College shepherding those things along and basically it sounds like you're saying that they do want humanity to advance rather than keep us dormant. Yeah, its kind of tricky because earlier when I mentioned AMORC which is a modern derivative imitation of the real Rosicrucians well now the issue was because Rosicrucian are secret society or secret network became public enough to be known that they exist, well that left everyone else guessing about who they really are what they really believe and so on. And so a lot of derivative lore sprang up around that was secondary that wasn't actually the original Rosicrucians it's more like other esoteric beliefs and people kind of glommed that onto that idea

49:46 And so when you have someone like Jacques Vallée nowadays who calls himself a Rosicrucian, well which Rosicrucianism is he talking about? Is he talking about the original real thing or is he talking about some sort of derivative and I don't know. That's just a theoretical question that might want to ponder And so the invisible college, it's possible that they might not have any real ties to the real Rosicrucians but they take inspiration from them and they might even model themselves after it. To some degree, they might have a lot of respect for all of the information that surrounds the Rosicrucian field and why is that? Well, it's because Rosicrucians are sort of earlier within that diagram I mentioned how there's everyday positive humans above them there's benevolent leaders and above them there's positive secret societies

50:27 above positive secret societies, you have the alien level. So the Rosicrucians are somewhere in that realm somewhere within that level right there and so anyone who is interested in ufology and higher alien type beings would probably be interested in Rosicrucianism because they're on the way there. You know, they're like halfway to that level and I think that's probably why Jacques Vallée and others of his network would be interested in that is because it gives a pathway of starting to approach that level but yeah so getting back to the Rosicrucian endgame You have to remember that the real Rosicrucians, they're not acting independently. They're acting on behalf of inspirations or even commands that issue above them and what is above them? Well you got the higher angelic hierarchy which is the non-physical side of it and you have what I guess we could call positive aliens whatever they actually truly are whether their time travelers or cryptoterrestrials or interdimensional's or whatever okay but but they look human enough, they look humanoid enough, they have physical bodies so

51:29 we might as well call them aliens. And so that's where they take the order from, so the Rosicrucian Endgame is really essentially the Nordic Alien end game. That's really what it's about. So oh and I should remind people that when i say nordic aliens don't put all humanoid looking aliens into the same bucket because as best as I can from all the abduction research I've done, all the contactees that I've talked to There are different factions among them. Some of them are more arrogant and aloof, and probably see us as a resource to exploit. And then the other ones there's a spectrum of more neutral to the more positive ones so this ties back to what you quoted from my book about the war in heaven and the neutral angels bringing the grail down to earth for safekeeping

52:18 So that story comes from Wolfram von Eschenbach's book, Parts of All. And it is one of the original grail stories that was put out there in Europe right around 1200 AD okay? By that point chivalry which had the elemental self pagan Gnostic beginnings had become Christianized by that point So all the lore that went into Wolfram von Eschenbach's book was framed within the gloss of Christianity and the mythos of Christianity. And so, that is why it gets into oh! The war in heaven between God and Lucifer and angels bringing this thing down. It was all wrapped up in Christian symbology however if you strip away the Christian gloss of it what you are left with essentially is a war probably between different factions of Nordic aliens who knows how many tens or thousands years ago or time travelers I suppose could be from future

53:09 here, but it happened at some point within reality. And they had a kind of technology that the neutral ones amongst them brought to Earth for safekeeping and it's been here ever since playing a role in history by bringing to life certain civilizations or certain dynasties or kingdoms like Charlemagne s kingdom in France during the 700s and 800s. So that time period was heavily influenced by this kind of technology and the influences from the other realm, and that was all setting up the pieces for the world we have nowadays leading into the future which is going probably to be playing out different types of alien endgames and the competitions between them.

53:54 Man, it's just so epic. It seems like we're just talking about a lot of things that are hard to even know but I still find it all interesting and the Ark and the Grail are clearly very ancient objects has been a long time since high demiurgic technology was injected into this system or other more modern examples that you would fold into that? Well, if you were to look at modern things you might have to look at let's say because the Nazis under Hitler and under Annenerbe they did a lot of scouring of the world. Of Tibet, various jungles around the world trying to look for hidden technologies and they probably did find some. They probably found Vimana crafts from the old ancient epic Indian Vedic times. They probably found that, they found some other technologies who knows right? And then they probably reverse engineered it

54:47 And, um the thing is we wouldn't know about it. It was too recent in history to become a big part of our mythology and our culture like the Grail or the Ark was so because that stuff happened almost 1000 years ago with the Grail and 3500 years ago with the Ark well that added plenty of time to become known by pretty much everyone like even kids know about King Arthur and The Grail and so on right? Right now it's just a little bit too recent But one thing I will say is that it is pretty likely that the Holy Grail was probably a piece of the, you know they call them the stone tablets but they're really like some other thing that was put into the Ark of the Covenant. Because one of the things that the Old Testament says is that Moses threw down and they're broken

55:32 So that became recorded as part of the myth and probably has some truth to it in that the original device, which by the way he took out of The Great Pyramid. It wasn't Mount Sinai it was actually The Great Pyramid that he went up into because if you read the account of Mount Sinai and all the rumbling and how we put his soldiers around the base of it well you can do that with a real Mount Sinai but you can do it with A Great Pyramid And if you look at the path that the Israelites took out of Egypt into Canaan well the pathway it makes perfect sense that they would go through Cairo area and the Great Pyramids on the way there. Whereas for them to go down to Mount Sinai means a major deviation, which would be very treacherous and very hard for them to go all the way south into the Sinai Peninsula and then come back up into... I mean just really no reason for them to do that so i think the Bible is either lying or mistaken or something about it being Mount Sinai

56:19 And then that's a whole separate subject about what is true and what is false in the Bible and why. But, um... Right? Yes I do get into it a little bit my book too. Yes It's so difficult everything is so twisted to obscure the truth and also to make it conformed to the framework of like you say Christianity or something Right on. Well, it is about that time I'm so glad we could finally connect like this. I know you have so much material We could never really touch on everything but this was a lot of fun Let people know where to follow up with you or anything else You're gonna be working on next is there another book in the works?

56:58 Mainly right now I'm focusing on content for social media and also making some music again. Music kind of keeps my morale up so, I love making music so probably do that this summer but yeah you guys can find me on Twitter well on xx.com slash Tom Montauk one word. Also on YouTube under that handle and also on Amazon you can find me in Amazon as well. Love it very cool! Well it was an honor and a pleasure hope to do it again sometime but take care out there The power of Christ compels you people. Tom Montauk coming in hot, you know when it comes to people who have not been on THC yet but have a large number of guest requests I think Tom would be on the top 10 list at least if not top five so i hope i did it justice i hope it turned out like a lot of people who made that request hoped it would

57:55 I find his entity hierarchy graphic to be really well designed. There are people who write these alien race encyclopedias and to me those can get a little bit silly but we do seem to be dealing with more than one thing and i just like the 3D design of this on a 2D graphic, it's nice! And then another thing I wanted to just throw up and show as a visual reference was this stone from this ancient temple in Israel. I got this from somewhere coming through his work, but when i went to Armenia this kind of stuff was all over the place little swastikas carved into boulders out in the middle of nowhere next to petroglyphs of livestock and tilling fields

58:41 Clearly these symbols have a completely different original context, probably just stellar patterns and sky plasmas but even if that is how they were derived there's probably other layers to their meaning and value as well. And isn't it just better to get to the source of a thing? Really good interview i would say im on the same page as tom with a lot of this stuff sometimes it's hard to articulate he is good at and then a lot of times people just gravitate to those who have a perspective that resonates and i would put time in that category for myself now for sure. Back in the day it's totally fair to say that i was a little bit bored with the ark of the covenant holy grail dan brown kind of stuff just because i think catholicism took up enough my time at that point in my life. I love the way tom frames it and then the wider context of demi urgic inserted technology and specifically the arc in this idea of plasma being communication devices,

59:43 I'm a big fan of this thought that ya way was just some kind of lower tier spiritual intelligence or an arc on even something at the demi urgic level but. Just not god himself yeah this is something that was so off putting to people it was so astonishing that they exalted this random being to the level of god, You know the cultist would say that haunted or enchanted objects are definitely a thing but the lore is that it's usually possessed by some kind of being that isn't the one true god. That's actually way less likely so i think that context around these possibilities that are in the ancient past and the bible, which is fun?

1:00:30 So one thing that's in my notes here that we didn't get to is from the FAQ page on Tom's website, but I thought this was interesting. The question is how do we contract to become part of the demiurgic control grid? And he says, I think it boils down to the fact that on some level we made a choice that resulted enough being here and this physical universe And when you take on a human body, you choose to accept its limitations. One of these limitations is that by default we only have five senses that funnels our consciousness into a very narrow range into perception of only the part of reality controlled by the demiurge so really choosing to incarnate is choosing to take on a handicap a kind of ignorance or blindness or delusion this kinda reminds me of the Howdy Makowski stuff The Soul Trap Hypothesis

1:03:43 So I would say right now, everything is right in the higher side universe. Let's take a look at the meetup calendar like we tend to do coming up on June 8th we have The Trails Cafe in LA and we have an event in San Antonio Texas And after that is the June 14th Raw Milk Party in Lanesboro Massachusetts and June 28 Orlando Florida Blue Jacket Park Magic, magnetism and fun. How can you go wrong? As always anyone can go to higher side meetups dot com to make an event it's free and easy just pick a low pressure public place in your town or city and invite people and give me a few weeks to announce it and the locals will hear it and probably show up a local business gets supported and new connections are made I think it's a win-win but

1:04:36 All right. That's really all we got big thanks to Tom for crushing it today and for having such well thought out perspectives on complex ideas and subjects montauk.net for more I'm getting out of here your move matrix control grid operatives, demiurgic technology tinkers and rascally Rosicrucians your fucking move some of us saw all this first Now it's everywhere you look Like a frog in boiling water It's all starting to cook You can't bandage this over It's bleeding right through I've been hurting plenty How about you? Before you break down Tune it out While you can turn it around The only way

1:05:40 Fuck the system, feel your own crown as a complainer Wanna work better with I don't wanna say I told you so I just want you to see it my Can't just step off the gas this time Redlined all of the experiment is over now There are no more guinea pigs

1:06:39 If you wanna wave a sign around I'll see you on the other side. I can get the sentiment, but why give them any more time? You break before you break down Tune it out while you can turn it around Only when- When you give up Fuck the system, feel it Won't go down as a complaint Wanna work for a better way

1:07:23 I don't wanna say, I told you so.