Saturday, 3 February 2024

Tom Kenyon | Song Of The New Earth, Hathor Sound Codes, & Psychoacoustic Portal Tech

A world-renowned sound healer bridges the gap between neuropsychology and interdimensional channeling to reveal how vocal frequencies can reprogram the human nervous system.

Hathor sound codesAcoustic Brain ResearchPsychoacousticsInterdimensional contactTheta wavesEgo dissolutionInternal ecology
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About this episode

Tom Kenyon reveals the mechanics of interdimensional communication and sound healing through his decades-long contact with the Hathors, a group of fifth-through-thirteenth-dimensional beings. Transitioning from a career as a psychotherapist and brain researcher at Acoustic Brain Research, Kenyon now utilizes a four-octave vocal range to channel psychoacoustic sound codes designed to alter human consciousness. These vocal transmissions, including the Song of the New Earth, are presented as technological tools for bypassing the analytical mind to trigger specific neurological shifts in alpha and theta wave activity.

The discussion details the scientific mapping of mystical states, where EEG tests conducted by neurology professors confirmed that Kenyon’s sound patterns significantly increase theta activity in the brain’s crown. Beyond the laboratory, Kenyon recounts a profound encounter at Madrona Point with an aborigine shaman and the Earth Dreamer, an event that catalyzed his global mission to perform sound work at sacred sites. The narrative addresses the dangers of ungrounded spiritual practice, citing a case of Madonna Psychosis where a practitioner suffered a total ego collapse, while also exploring the existence of non-physical feeders that consume negative human emotion generated by corporate media and societal stress.

Kenyon introduces the imaginal box as a cognitive tool for processing high-strangeness information without immediate rejection or blind acceptance. He shares a personal account of receiving medical warnings about hypoglycemia directly from the personified intelligence of his own kidneys during a waking dream. This episode marks one of Kenyon’s first public appearances following a three-year sabbatical initiated in 2019 to integrate a massive informational download regarding the current global timeline.


CHAPTER 01 / 20 Discussion

Tom Kenyon Channeled Sound Demonstration and Introduction

A live recording of Tom Kenyon channeling sounds is presented to provide context for his unique vocal abilities. The introduction highlights Kenyon's background in studying consciousness and non-human intelligence, specifically mentioning a potent visual experience during a "Cave of Altruin" Hathorian sound meditation. The sounds are described as unfiltered streams of consciousness produced in a single take using a near four-octave vocal range.

tom kenyon· channeling· hathors· sound meditation· cave of altruin· consciousness

00:00 How we doing guys? Alright, I don't usually hit you with something before the interview but today is special. Tom Kenyon's story is so out there at times that it think its important you hear his channeled sounds BEFORE we get into an interview rather than after because for me, I dont usually react positively to channeled material or the personalities involved in this space and im sure Im not alone so I wanna set you up right cuz when i saw video of tom doing his thing live, I thought man there's a there there and the fact that he spent a lot of his life studying consciousness and these exotic experiences and connections to non-human intelligence in practical ways is icing on the cake now when Tom is producing music and sound meditations in a not live environment

00:51 My understanding is that it's a combination of channeling and layering in of sounds and music he is a musician. And the half hours sometimes tell him when its satisfactory to release could be wrong on that but i think it's right, the point is though he's done a lot of live events where he channels on stage into a single microphone And that is where my mind was most blown. So I asked him for a clip from an unadulterated, unfiltered stream of consciousness live channeling that I could play for you guys to help get you to see what I see in Tom's abilities

01:30 And the only other thing I want to say before we dive in is, I asked Tom a few nights before recording if he had a suggestion from his website of a meditation guided by his channeled sounds that would be most likely to give me some sort of potent experience. He suggested an 11-minute meditation called The Cave Of Altruin that is described as a Hathorian sound meditation used as a means to explore healing and restorative states of consciousness through the use of unique acoustic sound matrix and creative imagery. Well, after honestly saying so many things don't work for me this did! I had a much more potent visual experience than pretty much any other meditation i've ever done

02:17 So I'm a Tom Kenyon believer and i think he checks the boxes of so many other involuntary mystics or people who didn't set out to be like this but had an unexpected and random breakthrough experience that has kept them tethered to something in the field whatever that is. So here comes the clip Tom sent me. It does contain some drumming and chimes which are not uncommon to see him with when he does a live event, but besides that these are sounds coming through one man's voice in a single take and I think that is wild!

02:53 And if a person was channeling higher dimensional beings or if said beings had frequency based or vibratory technology to share with us, I could see Tom being a mechanism for transferring that. To the people of Earth because that's what supposedly going on here oddly enough so the clips about two minutes If you want to skip ahead past any of it Or if you've heard enough That's what you're looking at and here we go Puppet masters almost surely have clearly made me something new until you've thoroughly tested every last close adjusted

CHAPTER 02 / 20 Discussion

Modern Compliance Culture and Ancient Spiritual Traditions

The discussion contrasts the rigid structure of modern Western life, which emphasizes financial compliance and shallow digital entertainment, with ancient global traditions of spiritual exploration. Methods such as rhythmic ritual, entheogenic ceremonies, and sacred temple construction are cited as historical tools for tapping into astral intelligences. The narrative suggests that corporate media acts as a "pacifier" that buries natural human abilities to explore other worlds.

compliance· corporate entertainment· meditation· astral intelligence· grimoires· consciousness

05:36 That's true, Dr. Sayers. Brace yourselves higher side chatters from the Sunshine State I'm Greg Carlwood and all of our modern Western lives we've been trained to focus on little else but the number in our bank account and whatever work we signed up to do that hopefully keeps it in the positive

06:16 Our educational system drills in compliance, hierarchy and that your boss will pile on more work than you can do in a day. And this rigid structure oftentimes can dominate a person's life until it's just about over with the only escape being Hollywood's commercialized worlds and stories created to capture just enough of your attention to sell the ad space rinse and repeat But what if you didn't need the TV or the Xbox to explore other worlds? What if, in fact, the constant flow of corporate entertainment actually buries our natural abilities in an avalanche of shallow digital imaginal junk food and like babies, The Big Machine just gives our consciousness a pacifier to suck on so it stays quiet.

06:56 Look almost anywhere outside of the main vein of our culture and you see rich traditions of meditation, rhythmic ritual drum circles group chanting, entheogenic ceremonies breath workers astral travel lucid dreaming sacred temples built for contact occult traditions and plenty of those spirit being phone books we call grimoires. All of these methods and more have helped humans tap into astral intelligences, hidden worlds and unseen dimensions for as long as history has records. And those who cultivate these abilities will often say they're a lot more rewarding than another season of Yellowstone!

CHAPTER 03 / 20 Discussion

Tom Kenyon Professional Background and Hathor Contact

Tom Kenyon details his transition from a psychotherapist and brain researcher to a sound healer and channeler for the Hathors. After decades of private practice and scientific documentation of sound on consciousness through Acoustic Brain Research, Kenyon was contacted by interdimensional beings known as the Hathors in the late 1980s. These entities reportedly instructed him in using sacred geometry and vibratory sound to activate psycho-spiritual experiences.

tom kenyon· acoustic brain research· hathors· psychotherapy· ericksonian hypnosis· brain science

07:32 And today's guest, Tom Kenyon is exactly one of these people. When Tom was 18 he had what he learned to call a spontaneous Sumati experience on his uncle's farm in North Carolina that sent him on a path of curiosity as to what the heck that was He went down the scientific path in education, studying brain science and ending up with a BA in communication. A master's degree in psychological counseling and postgraduate training in Ericksonian medical hypnosis and a certification in whole brain learning at the Whole Brain Learning Institute He had over two decades of private practice as a psychotherapist and counselor before he formed Acoustic Brain Research in 1983 to scientifically document the effects of sound and music on consciousness. But, he also saved room for these spiritual paths studying and becoming a teacher of five major systems of transformation—Tibetan Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism, Egyptian High Alchemy, and Esoteric Christianity

08:31 Along the way, sometime in the late 80s after 13 years of brain research the Hathors showed up. The Hathor say that they are a group of interdimensional intergalactic beings who were connected to ancient Egypt through the temple of the goddess Hathor as well as several other prehistory cultures He was contacted by them during meditation and they began to instruct him in the vibratory nature of the cosmos, the use of sacred geometry as a means to stimulate brain performance and in the use of sound to activate psycho-spiritual experiences. He is now one of the most well respected sound healers & meditation guides in the world today channeling Hathor sounds that you can barely believe come from one person with a near 4 octave vocal range!

09:16 He's also the author of several books of channeled material as well as Brain States and a novel called Mind Thieves. He has done a lot on this island Earth, and it is going to be fun getting into it! The Hathor communicator, master meditator, and sound healer extraordinaire Tom, welcome to the Higher Side. Thank you Greg that was great intro I love your approach that we do live in a dystopian society people are so disconnected from reality of their lives caught up with digital madness So I'm right on the same page. Yes, and we can get into if that's a happy accident or by design. But it is true that a lot of people who might roll their eyes at something like channeling you dig into how much exploration of consciousness they've done and its very little so a lot of times the skepticism really comes from a place of ignorance because A lot of people don't have any context for what consciousness might be able to do

10:15 or how it might be able to facilitate travel, what we might be able to do with say spiritual technologies that might be kind of in your wheelhouse. But the sounds you make really are incredible I know you've had to have heard this 1000 times but they sound like my entheogenic experiences have felt they sound like an Alex Gray painting looks and I just love that this random Sumati experience triggered this crazy world for you, sent you down this path of blending science and spirit. I watched the documentary about you Song Of The New Earth which covers some of the other breakthrough experiences that have come over the years but what i tried to do in that intro is make the point that what has happened to you is really not that strange in other times and in other cultures and that's probably fair to say would you agree? I would agree yeah so

CHAPTER 04 / 20 Discussion

Scientific Mapping of Mystical Brain States

The relationship between mystical experiences and measurable brain activity is explored through the lens of neuropsychology. Kenyon explains that states traditionally described as mystical are actually specific brain states characterized by increased alpha and theta wave activity. By using the language of science, these expanded states of consciousness become more accessible to those who require empirical data to validate subjective spiritual experiences.

brain waves· alpha activity· theta activity· neuropsychology· mystical states· consciousness mapping

11:12 I'm really interested in how a person in your position maps out consciousness and reality. This is jumping right into the deep end of the pool, but if anyone goes back and sees your previous interviews, the hours and hours of content that you've produced and the conference presentations you've given... Let's just assume you are connected to interdimensional beings and have channeled many even different types of beings What kind of insight does that give you into consciousness? How do you map these things out so that what you experience is possible. Well, in my early 20s I was really exploring different mystical traditions because i had had an experience at 18 on my uncle's farm and I was trying to figure out what the heck was this because I've had no context as a white boy from North Carolina

12:01 I went into these traditions, all the traditions i work with very deeply and they were mental mind experiments to see what would happen to my consciousness as I use a technique say from Tibetan Buddhism or esoteric Christianity or shamanism whatever it is. They all have these methods so I went into those methods explored them and I had a broader and broader experience but the paradox was that what really brought it together was science because I was looking at brain science at the same time and I saw some very interesting parallels. And if you look at the descriptions of researchers in neuropsychology and physics, many of them are talking about using language that's mystical as they've described the outer reaches of human consciousness so what clicked everything for me was the science for instance when a person goes into a mystical state

12:53 we know that the brain alters itself, the brain waves change. And so when you go into increased alpha activity get relaxed and start to drift when you go into theta You have these visions that are very profound they can seem vividly real So that the internal experience is as real as the outer experience It's a brain state. These mystical states are brain states and so that's how I look at it. I am interpreting something that cannot be captured in words but trying to describe it so that it is a stepping stone to something expanded for people because it has certainly been expansive for me. Yeah, to say the least and the science is important. It's a mechanism for a lot of people to be able to hear someone tell a story about channeling and look at the paper and see the numbers and see the graphs and the lines go up and oh there it is proof that something happened

CHAPTER 05 / 20 Discussion

Quantum Mechanics and the Observer Effect in Consciousness

The limitations of current scientific methodology are discussed in relation to the paradoxes of quantum mechanics and the observer effect. Kenyon posits that a researcher's mind affects the outcome of an experiment, much like how an individual's vibrational energy determines which part of "The Great Mystery" or "The Blob" they experience. This framework suggests that emotional coherence is a prerequisite for accessing resourceful aspects of the non-physical field.

quantum mechanics· observer effect· particle wave duality· the great mystery· vibrational energy

13:51 But I do think a lot of the science is kind of lacking. I don't even know if the scientific tools we have are even up to the real challenge presented here by this sort of thing, and when you talk to people who are more of the mystic mind They sometimes describe the spirit world and the dream world and the imaginal as all one big field of conscious energy that we can explore through our astral body, intense meditation. And then you start thinking about beings in that field and it starts to seem like a big consciousness blob like some kind of big consciousness soup because

14:34 It's hard for me to understand how separate beings can live in something like that. It's like beings made of water living in the ocean, in my mental picture. So is that how you see it? I mean sometimes you do see these things physically... Yes and it's called psychic vision. It's not a physical hallucination. I don't see them with my physical eyes but I have the mental impression that I'm seeing them But I wonder, something you said earlier. I absolutely agree with you. I think the methodology we currently use in the sciences is very limited and part of this goes back to these methods were developed over the last several centuries but when you look at quantum mechanics it creates a huge paradox for researchers because when you are at the quantum level as i know you know there's no such thing as certainty there's only probability and that movement into the quantum realm

15:28 One of the most obvious things to talk about is the phenomenon of light. So if researchers, when they started looking at light it was a particle or wave But what they discovered was, as they were looking at this more intently... How could energy be a particle and a wave? What happened was the observer looking at it caused one of those probabilities to collapse. So it presented itself as a wave or as a particle. The researcher's mind affected the outcome of their research and so we have not I don't think in the sciences reached a point where we can use that approach

16:05 fully, because we're just at the beginning stages of it. But anyway I agree with you that science is limited as the demigod of our culture so i speak about these states through the language and metaphor of science but really what i'm looking at is opening a foyer, the door into expanded states and when you get into those super expanded states which you call the blob and it does have a blob characteristic to it. There's so much going on at the same time, and I think for me my experience is... It's my vibrational energy that determines what part of the blob I experience. So if in a coherent emotional state I will experience better we might say happier quote-unquote resourceful aspects of the blob. I call it The Great Mystery

CHAPTER 06 / 20 Discussion

Imaginal Box Technique for Processing Channeled Information

The "imaginal box" is introduced as a mental tool for processing information that may seem illogical or violating to one's current value system. This technique allows individuals to hold complex or strange channeled material without immediately accepting or rejecting it, facilitating a more open exploration of non-physical dimensions. The discussion emphasizes using personal logic and integrity when navigating messages from the Hathors or other spiritual sources.

imaginal box· discernment· belief systems· non-physical dimensions· sound codes

16:52 But if I'm agitated, angry hostile when it connects to the blob. I want to get that reflected back to me so it really one of the critical points and anybody exploring this territory in my mind at least is the quality of their own consciousness as they enter into the great blob. I call it big head in the sky. Fair, The Great Mystery is a lot more eloquent but... The Blob Is My Simple Stoner College Dropout Language So you would say that the spirit world and the dream world and the imaginal are just descriptors for one thing or are they separate non-physical dimensions to you? No! I don't experience it as separate. I experienced it as very similar

17:34 I think what determines whether i have an experience in the imaginal realm or experience and the astral or etheric realm, for other areas of consciousness has to do with what's going on inside my brain. And my belief system about what i'm doing. Fair you know? I really hope people do go and listen to at least some of the sound codes is usually the term that come through you because it's like wow that's one person's voice Sometimes channelers just kind of alter their voice or, you know, their voice changes. I shouldn't say they alter it but their voice might change a little bit and sound a little strange and you're like man is that being faked? A four octave vocal range where it sounds like a choir of people singing together seems harder to fake. I'm not an opera expert but it sounds a little bit like opera. It also sounds a little bit like that kind of chanting you would hear

18:30 from indigenous tribes or the Icaros of the Amazonian shaman. It sounds a lot like that and if you ask them, a lot of times they are trying to get in that headspace for contact as well. Yeah, so it's really not that foreign. But I guess when it comes to the messages that the Hathors tend to have, that's where I see a lot of boxes checked with other channeled material. We need to take better care of the earth! We are these beings of higher vibration we're here to help you but you kind of have to help yourself It makes me wonder what these beings are doing with their lives when they're not just sitting there waiting for a connection to someone like you to give humanity a message. You know what I'm saying? It's just too human-centric, like don't they have their own things going on up there? Oh God yes! They definitely have their own things going on in the case of the Hathors and it gets to be very outside the box

19:31 And so if we're going to enter that, I think we should talk about what i call the imaginary box which is a device and mental device that if something doesn't make sense to you throw it in the box. Don't take on any belief system as real no matter who they are what authority they may be use your own value system your own sense of logic and life to see if it fits and if it doesn't fit if it's too violating then throw it in the box and forget about it In the process, you may find something of value. So take a look at that and work with it so as we explore what seems to be we're moving into something deeper I think it's good for our listeners to put that by their side

20:08 Yes, and I love that you say that because so often with any kind of material that seems to come from this spirit world sometimes people have an entheogenic experience or we might just probably call a download experience. And some of the information makes sense some of it doesn't some of it is scientific and you have to wrestle with it for a long time before you even present it because it's like hard for your intellect to manage. And then sometimes, it's rather silly and so the imaginal box is a great technique to be like look I'm just going to tell you guys what the Hathors tell me and I'm not gonna edit and if it doesn't make sense you edit! You put in the imaginal box but this is what they say. I agree with that

CHAPTER 07 / 20 Discussion

Song of the New Earth and Madrona Point Experience

Kenyon recounts a profound subjective experience at Madrona Point, a sacred site for the Lumi Indians, where he felt himself fall into the center of the Earth. During this vision, he encountered an aborigine shaman and a being called the Earth Dreamer, who asked him to sing the "Song of the New Earth." This event eventually led to Kenyon and his wife traveling the world four times to perform sound work at various globally recognized sacred locations.

madrona point· lumi indians· earth dreamer· aborigine shaman· subjective experience· sacred sites

20:56 Fair. So I guess just before we get into the long relationship with the Hathors, In that film Song of the New Earth, you do talk about several experiences besides just that Sumati experience on the uncle's farm when you're 18. You had a Kundalini experience in college that had you laid out for three days. Some of these things are experiences that are similar to what we've heard before but one that is very different where the documentary gets its title is this strange experience that is the Song of the New Earth story. Can you elaborate on what that experience was like? Yeah, so I started getting these intimations from the Hathors about going around the world and singing at these different locations around the earth my wife and i've been around the world four times teaching and doing the sound work but it was my 35th birthday and the Hathor said we have something very important to transmit to you

21:58 This was the early stage of my work with them and I was very reluctant to accept, even though Omni Preface says they presented something called interdimensional consciousness training to me early on which involves the use of sacred geometry in mental exercises like you spin a certain platonic solid in a certain way and it activates the brain. And although at that time I could not accept who the Hathors said who they were or where they were from, I had to acknowledge that this method was creating powerful changes for me. In the true scientific fashion, I decided to have three beta test sites and did free classes in the state of Washington for people to come in to increase their creativity and people came in and they had these unbelievable experiences. Creativity returning, people coming out of depression, people who had no sensation in the back of their body like their back suddenly could feel things touching them so I had accept that

22:53 Whatever the source of the information is, let's put it over here in my own imaginary box. But let's acknowledge that whatever it is the actual techniques make changes for people." So when I was 35 on my birthday, I was at the height of my resistance to The Hathors because they kept expanding my mind so much It was becoming irritating and if you've had that experience where your mind goes so far No no! Put on the brakes this is too much too fast Not me So I was in that particular point. So the Atharvas said, okay just go sit down and I went to a park. I dropped my son off, my youngest son, to have martial arts practice and went instead on something called Madrona Point where all these madronas are it's a sacred site for the Lumi Indians and i just sat down and as soon as I sat down my subjective experience

23:44 Let me track subjective versus objective. Objective experience is I was sitting on the ground like a normal person, somebody's walked by and somebody's just sitting on the ground. My subjective experience was a giant hole opened up in front of me and i fell into the earth so i'm going down through the earth subjectively physically i'm grabbing the grass like my body goes into this Holy shit, a hole just opened up underneath me and I'm grabbing the grass to keep myself from falling. So my body, my biological information system of my nervous system was trying to track both things simultaneously holding on to the grass because my body was sure we're falling into a hole and the other part of me was exhilarated as they were falling through this space And as i go down I run into several creatures let's call it that one

24:33 an aborigine shaman, he's turning a fire stick and he says we have something to tell you when you come back. I said come back? Where the fuck am i going? Didn't mean to say that. Oh it's safe here! You're in a safe place. Safe word place. So I'm falling through there. Aborigines have done their troll sticks another being came and said we have something very important to tell you when you return again what the fuck and I fall down to the bottom of the hole, and my subjective experience is that i'm in the center of the earth which has molten metals. Lead... And my hands were still holding the grass and my hands are getting tired because I was grasping it so hard but that was coming from my neurological system that tracks survival So my brain said holy shit there's a hole is open we got to grab and keep ourselves from falling through But when I hit the center of the earth there's this white egg-like blob

25:28 And it says, I am the earth dreamer and i'm about to change the dream. Will you sing the song of the new earth? And I said, I'll think about it always when you interact with being from another dimension whether in your own mind or creation of your own mind and brain always get the specifics so I go back up and back in my body my hands can let go of grass and I am like stoned out of my mind because of all the information that was going on. And so, I look up and a couple comes in sits right in front of me like maybe six feet away which is really odd and I realized I'm invisible to them physically invisible this happens a lot in this world it's a vibrational thing So I wasn't different vibration

26:24 my energy body was and they didn't see me for some reason. And they decide to start making love because there's nobody there, right? So he takes off his shirt and they're really going at it He gets ready to unbutton her blouse and I'm nervous because oh i can see they're gonna suddenly wake up and see me and say hello! I'm not a pervert!! I was here first really so... The young woman, they were like in their 20s that looked like said something's wrong we need to leave The guy didn't get it all, the woman got it so they got up and left So the Hethers said, would you sing the Song of the New Earth? And I said well again i'll think about it. Then many years later it just happened very quickly. I got inquiries from Europe and went to Europe with my wife Judy and we went around the world four times singing The Song of the New Earth in sacred places quote-unquote...I hate that word but those places are acknowledged as very special. Yeah! I love that story

CHAPTER 08 / 20 Discussion

Influence Versus Fame in Spiritual Work

The conversation addresses why authentic spiritual messengers are often not household names like mainstream celebrities. Kenyon argues that his "dharma" involves working with a smaller group of committed explorers rather than the masses, who may not be ready for the message. This approach relies on a "butterfly effect" where deep shifts in a few individuals eventually influence the broader network of human consciousness.

mass consciousness· butterfly effect· dharma· mainstream culture· spiritual integrity

27:26 Going down into the earth talking to an aboriginal shaman and then rock people and then. To the earth dreamer and then came back up in there like now that you've been briefed will you sing a song we all want you to sing this song, just are really cool story and the path has taken you as you say around the world several times experiences that a lot of people wouldn't have And this is another thing I've heard you talk about, moving the needle in terms of mass consciousness. Now in the grand scheme of things, you're not Taylor Swift, like you're not a household name! You have a name and a certain subculture, a lot of respect

28:08 And I know you've said to these entities before, like why am i doing this? It doesn't seem like a move in the needle. They say well it might 1-5% and you're like I don't even know if one to 5 percent is enough given the state of people out in the world today as we started with the intro like people are programmed to be in one state of consciousness People are so far behind they can hear a message like this and you had those thoughts like Is it worth that? I guess i have the same thoughts too. I think we expect a person with a legitimate, authentic connection to some spiritual entities to be

28:47 amplified on the physical plane to be a household name. There really isn't anyone like that, but all you can do is deliver the message and see if people are ready to receive it. But what are your thoughts on that? On your level of popularity or fame given that I would think there'd be like a little extra oomph because you got spirits involved that should be able to kind of increase the potency of the message once its delivered. Well thats an interesting question I think fame is overrated. I think that the pursuit of fame, for me would be off the track of what i'm about. I think that some people their dharma, their track if you will in this life is to become very well known to present this information to a wide range of people. I don't think that's my track in this lifetime so i'm more under the radar So i am interested in connecting with people who are explorers and committed

29:48 the highest level of integrity that they can foster in themselves, and we go exploring together. I'm not interested in interacting with the masses, the mainstream because they don't get it and there's just so much time. So I'm working with people that are some of them are People are going to go out and be well-known. I work with doctors, lawyers and highly amazing people in all gamuts and some of them will take their realizations to the larger sphere but that's not my job if that makes sense. It does it does! And we can say there is a little bit of butterfly effect here you know your part of the network who knows how far message goes once its delivered by any old person maybe fame is not the right term

30:36 I guess influence because if the goal here from the Hathor's perspective, it seems like the reason why they're connecting to you and delivering these sound code gifts and these messages is to get the word out. Clearly anyone who has a message wants it to be heard by a large number of people. And if the goal is to raise the vibration of all people to get through this chaotic point in the timeline then a lot of people kind of have to hear the message. Well, I agree with you on one level absolutely there needs to be more awareness in our culture that there's another way to approach life than consumerism mindless stupidity but the way this works dear readers please take out your imaginary boxes and put it by your side okay

CHAPTER 09 / 20 Discussion

Interconnectedness and the Mycelium Metaphor of Consciousness

Humanity is described as part of a vast, interconnected ecology of consciousness that includes all sentient beings, from bacteria to mammals. Using a mushroom mycelium metaphor, Kenyon explains how a shift in one person's consciousness can energetically affect their entire relational network. This interconnectedness is further illustrated by the biological link between the gut biome and brain function, highlighting that humans are an ecology rather than isolated containers.

sentient beings· interconnectedness· gut biome· mycelium· collective consciousness

31:28 The way I view this, which comes from the influence of all the spiritual traditions that I've worked with for the last 40 years and the Hathors. All those influences have shaped my perception but my perception and understanding is that because at a deepest level of consciousness you and I all the readers listeners in this program are sentient beings butterflies frogs alligator crocodiles fish every creature on earth we are all connected We are connected at a deep level in consciousness that's far beyond what our culture deems possible. So, in that deep interconnectedness it's like we're in the garden and there are different blossoms, different flowers and they blossom at different times... And we are in a garden of what is it eight billion people on the planet right now? Something like that!

32:22 Way more sentient beings than that if you count of all the insects and everything. So, all these consciousnesses because even bacteria has consciousness viruses have consciousness we all have consciousness and if you're alive you have some form of consciousness human consciousness is just one but at that deepest level of interconnectedness when one person makes a shift it has an effect on all their relations And so it works from the bottom up It's like Mushrooms. A little mushroom pops up, but the organism is actually vast! It's underground and its root systems are everywhere it can be like a square mile or more so when somebody is in the deep place and they make a shift things change in relationship And the smallest thing can make a huge difference When I was in San Francisco for awhile I played in bars and lounges that's how I got myself through college So I was playing at bars and lounges and I had written a song about jumping off of Golden Gate Bridge

33:21 and how Bundy came to his senses and decided not to. So I just sang this song in a bar, as I'm getting ready to leave some guy comes up to me and says, ''I want to thank you for that song,'' ''I was going to go out and kill myself by jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge tonight.'' There's so many stories like it tell but just one more to make the point there was a woman in the workshop when we were working on resolving family issues and she came in and she had tears in her eyes when she came back from a break And she said she got a call from her sister and she had been estranged from her sister for decades. Decades! They hated each other, and her sister said I just called to tell you i'm sorry and let's try to have a relationship Those things are the phenomena of consciousness in action So when somebody is very deep in themselves they're connected to something that is vast but unseen But all their relationships everyone they're connected to will somehow shift

34:18 maybe not perceptibly, but they're going to shift somehow energetically. So as this expands I think the network is growing but it's growing from the ground up not from above down into the ground if that makes sense in that metaphor? Yeah it does and I'm really interested in those examples of bleed over we could say or acknowledgement of the connection a lot of us feel separate that separateness seems to be an illusion we also sometimes feel like we are our bodies in a container of sorts, our consciousness is. But I guess people still struggle with understanding how much of that consciousness is really them because we think about awareness and our personality and the out-of-body experiences I've had my inner dialogue was intact. I was experiencing something strange and simultaneously feeling like hey this is really strange but also familiar? I think that's common

CHAPTER 10 / 20 Discussion

Risks of Ego Dissolution and the Madonna Psychosis Case

A cautionary case study involves a woman who experienced a psychotic break after failing to integrate intense brain stimulation and mystical archetypes. The woman initially identified as a healing Mother Mary figure but shifted into a delusion of being the pop star Madonna, eventually attempting to smash an airplane window to fight "demons." The story illustrates the necessity of a strong ego structure and "grounding on Earth" before attempting to access "heavenly" or numinous states.

psychosis· ego structure· archetypes· mother mary· mental health· integration

35:16 but we struggle with how much of our awareness is us. What would you say about that if you have any insight given that you tend to lend yourself to a lot of different awarenesses? Well, there is an interface that's important that you described and it has to do with when a person enters the numinous or what means simply light-filled when they go into outer body experience or deep meditative experience or they time travel I mean all types of things can happen The question becomes where am I, where do i begin and where do i end? And it has to do with the level of the nervous system that's operating from that level. And then the other level is what's going on in the numinous realm so if we can track these two i think they're important because one's like a particle and one's like a wave. We're back to the quantum mechanics paradigm So as you expand those experiences you've had and other people have as they go into expansive states of consciousness

36:22 into a vibratory field that feels so familiar and comforting, but is so bizarre because there's no context for it in the rest of the person's life. So the quality of the consciousness of the person having experience determines what the experience is going to be. And as a person goes into these states... Well let me give you an example, let's bring it down to street talk as we say I got a call from an associate many years ago One woman had taken one of his intensive brain courses and had a psychotic experience. And he said, she's going to sue me could you see her because I was in North Carolina at the time and he was in California so it says sure sender on up. So she came up with her husband and she talked about how she had these mystical experiences at this Institute and she experienced herself as Mother Mary

37:21 Mother Mary, the mother of Jesus. She became that archetype or archetype I like archetype but i think it's pronounced archetype and she became numinous and people were having healing experiences with her this is a housewife from Georgia walking around and people are having these experiences with her as Virgin Mary the mother of Jesus People driving at her feet and sobbing and people were having healings That was a profound thing that happened however the shadow side of this was She was still in an altered state, she had done too much brain stimulation without any integration. She was at the airport and she was in this altered state and she looked at Rolling Stone magazine and there on the front page it was The Madonna but this was not Madonna of The Mother Of Jesus, this one's Madonna The Rockstar! So because consciousness is so fluid in these altered states

38:15 Her ego couldn't hold it and she shifted to Madonna, the rock star. So she suddenly became in her mind as we call a delusion... She was absolutely the living embodiment of Madonna! She gets on the plane and she starts to have psychotic experiences And she sees demons on the plane trying to crash the plane. She's taking her high heels and smashing the glass at the window to get out on the wing to grab the demons by the neck and save the plane. Well of course she's constrained and admitted to a hospital, and there we are! So she came to the office with her husband... And the pivotal point here is the fluidity of consciousness if you don't have enough egoic structure to know who you are

39:03 and you go into one of these hyperfluid states, you might attach to another reality other than the reference reality of your life as a human being. And that can create a lot of problems! What's critical in this? So we have two things... The oscillation between what we call the numinous archetype of the Mother of Jesus—the healing energy—then Madonna, the rock star and then we have a psychotic split. She is hospitalized she is given medication she comes back to normal quote-unquote normal They come up to see me, we talk about all this and then out of the blue she says well I have something to say. She said the family owned a furniture business big furniture business and she hated working there it's unbelievable one night she snuck in and set the place on fire her solution to not wanting to work there anymore was not to say to her husband and her family i don't want to work here anymore she took the cowardly way out by burning it down to the ground

40:06 And that split in her psychology is what created that shift from mother of Jesus healing energy to a psychotic woman on the plane trying to smash the window. So, that's really an important point that doesn't get discussed in what I would call the human growth era or the new age whatever you want to call it. It's like everything...I think you have to be interested these things with the type of level of sobriety and awareness so One of my first teachers was a Taoist master and he said, before you step into heaven Tom step onto earth first. Earth first then heaven don't just jump into heaven! You've got to ground yourself because you can be blown away by these experiences

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Acoustic Brain Research and Crown Chakra Theta Activity

Kenyon shares a scientific anecdote where a neurology professor's EEG tests confirmed that specific sound codes could significantly increase theta activity in the brain's crown. This research suggests that sound patterns can act as messengers from "light realms," as the Hathors view vibration as a continuum where higher frequencies manifest as light and lower frequencies as sound. These findings bridge the gap between ancient chakra concepts and modern neurological monitoring.

eeg· theta activity· crown chakra· acoustic brain research· vibration· light spectrum

40:50 even if they're powerful and beautiful. Right, that's very true even in psychonaut psychedelic culture it's always about set and setting and know what you're doing and make sure you are of strong mind because blast-off experiences can be disorienting to say the least so let me ask you about the sound codes because for people who aren't familiar with you this is the crux Really what you do, the Hathors. You channel messages that are in text as one thing like you can get the books and see the messages on the website but they're often accompanied with what we might call a spiritual technology, a sound vibration frequency based technology that can actually be transmitted from their realm through you to ours how do you describe these sound codes and

41:42 what they are capable of doing as a technology or tool? Well, I would preface my comment about the Hathor is to go reference my work in acoustic brain research which i was involved in for over 10 years. And I was working with the group researchers who did the actual EEG work and just came up with sound codes and so I would create sound code and then they would do their studies and one pivotal points when I was I guess three years into that work and i got an email from a professor of neurology at a university in the midwest, and he said i'm including a copy... actually it was a mail. It was just a letter, not an email. He sent me a photocopy of the readout of an EEG. Now get this! He was given a lecture in his class and he said it is not possible to increase theta activity in the brain through music

42:38 And somebody in the room, a student had his hand up and said sir I disagree. I actually have in my backpack something that will do that it's called acoustic brain research he said we'll bring it up here let's see so you hooked it up got a person from class to do the EEG readings and it blew his mind because the theta increased all the machinery said theta increase and the most powerful theta increase was here at the crown, the top of the head because it's one of the EEG locations. That was why it was measured otherwise wouldn't have been but this professor had been studying yoga recently and discovered that it was a crown chakra and it blew his mind! Why would the concentration of theta activity be in the crown and not spread through the rest of the neocortex? So that's what is question and he also said something wrong with equipment this is not right

43:31 He recalibrated the equipment, ran the test again. Same result! Being a good impeccable scientist he said there's something wrong with the equipment and so he had the company come and they looked inside everything is fine So he wrote me back and said would you help me increase our understanding of music on the brain? That's an example of sound that was not generated from the Hathors this was before the Hathors these are intuitive sounds in patterns I was working with When we got to the Hathors, it took another dimension. Like everything takes a larger dimension when I interact with them. So here's something for your big imaginary box according to the Hathors vibration is non-ending continuum throughout the entire cosmos you have the higher frequencies become light and lower frequencies become sound

44:21 In fact, if you had a cosmic piano you would have the piano that has the keys that you normally have 88 keys but there would be keys further up and further down. And if you go further up you don't hear it anymore but you'd see it because it becomes color vibration so in the Hathor's way of viewing this these sound codes are messengers from the light realms So they actually originate in the realms of light and are dropped down into audible range through in my case my voice But anybody can do this Now that's really fascinating because people do see orbs of light and beings of light often in high strangeness experience. It is something glowing

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Sound Codes as Facilitators for Physical Healing

The application of sound technology for physical ailments is discussed through the story of a woman who reportedly stopped a gallbladder attack using Kenyon's psychoimmunology recordings. Kenyon clarifies that the music itself does not heal, but rather facilitates a state shift in the nervous system that reduces stress and allows the body to engage its natural self-healing mechanisms. The power of belief and the placebo effect are acknowledged as significant factors in this process.

psychoimmunology· gallbladder· placebo effect· stress reduction· self-healing

45:02 One recent example, someone told a story about an electric raccoon before they had a crazy experience and a download and a bunch of missing time. But again, electric raccoon... I like that out of Guardians Of The Galaxy Exactly it suggests that its lit up you know so to say that I feel like it jives with the lot of experiences people talk about that higher vibration entity or higher frequency becomes light and thats maybe why people see Orbs and beings flex into our reality, right? Seems like you think that you would agree with that. Yes. Huh? That's interesting. So what do these things do like I'm not a strong meditator and I asked you just for fun, which one would you suggest to have a powerful experience And I sat and listened to that one and did the box breathing and really tried to get into a meditative state.

46:00 I had profound visualizations and some of them are related to my work. And in the description of that particular spiritual technology, it does say that it would correspond somewhat to that so I checked that box and thought it was profound. And I'm sure with more practice and more engagement it would only get better. Absolutely! Want to make a point here because you hit one important thing. The brain expands its dimensionality by repetition. So whatever it is, if you're learning how to play basketball and you practice, you get better. Same with meditation or psychonaut experiences as you gain experience your brain will expand its neurological connections and make the next experience you have perhaps more powerful or integrated. Makes sense! And so the benefits of raising one's vibration or engaging with these things from the Hathor's perspective

46:59 What do they say it does? Because even just raising the vibration, these are these terms. These new agey terms that a regular person hears raise my vibration I don't even know what that means or how to do it It's so kind of vague its hard to pin down the details of what that means but one of the Hathors says this things do when people listen to them Or have you heard from people in the audiences Well, one example I got an email years ago from a woman who was in Mexico on vacation and she had a gallbladder attack. And she was in agony. She was in a part of Mexico where there are no hospitals around. She wasn't like in the jungle. And she had a copy of psychoimmunology with her which is the CDI created to help the immune system. So as you said, she has nothing else so she listened to it and stopped the gallbladder attack

47:49 Her experience was that the sound codes intervene and stopped what was going on. My understanding of this is that the sound patterns, when a person can relax not go to sleep but just relax cool out their nervous system operates better than if they're in a super hyper drive situation like I'm frightened because i've got a problem in my body All I think happened was the sounds produced a brain state that allowed her to relax a little bit and that decreased the internal stress, and the pain decreased. And the other thing was she believed it would help so there's this placebo effect really what the person believes. So she really believed in the quote-unquote technology used it and she didn't have any problems with their gallbladder

48:37 Hmm, yeah you could say that it just de-stresses you and allows your body to go into a state of self healing rather than saying the music healed. It's like the music facilitates a state shift and then the body does what it can do and has done for a long time but people especially in our culture don't really think that healing works that way. You gotta take some kind of pill and then you get the placebo effect and that's the power belief again that sometimes it works that way if you're conditioned in the medical system. So I just think this is obviously very fascinating

CHAPTER 13 / 20 Discussion

Internal Ecology and Kidney Intelligence Dream

Kenyon describes a "waking dream" where he received health advice from personified intelligences within his own kidneys regarding his sugar intake. This internal communication preceded a formal medical diagnosis of hypoglycemia, suggesting that organs possess their own fields of intelligence. The segment emphasizes that the body-mind-spirit complex is an ecology where internal "treasures" of information can be accessed through deep relaxation and awareness.

hypoglycemia· internal organs· waking dream· kidney health· gut-brain axis

49:15 I watched a demonstration you did in Paris and you encouraged people to meditate and visualize rooms with each chakra inside them. And you'd go one by one, and say if you go inside the chakra room there are treasures new ways of seeing things in new ways of using intelligence that you can bring into your outer life. Can you elaborate on what you mean there by treasures or in other contexts where there seems to be things that are a little harder to pin down than a healing experience of our physical body? That's pretty black and white, but there's things that are a little more vague but still powerful that you might consider in this category of treasures.

49:58 Well, I think that our body-mind spirit complex... in science we usually say body mind but i add spirit body mind spirit complex because there's an interconnection between our physical brains our minds and this world the great mystery or the big blob as you call it. So there are treasures in these different dimensions of ourselves And by treasures I mean like when you go into a relaxed brain state, which is an increase of alpha activity or theta. You enter place where you go deep enough it's almost like a dream we call it a waking dream because if you had somebody hooked up to an EEG during the waking dream they would have activities very similar to when they were sleeping and when that occurs you experience things inside your body differently

50:46 We normally think of our bodies as flesh and blood. Whatever we weigh, we're in the gravity well there's nothing that we can do. We're just like plodding along or maybe you have a lot of energy and you can dance along but orientation is to our physical body but when you go into these fluid states it changes and the body becomes much more fluid and has energetic patterns that are information for you. Let me give you an example when I was in my 20s I had severe hypoglycemia and I didn't know anything what was going on, why that was happening. And I had a dream and in the dream i went down into my kidneys

51:26 And each of the organs has its own field of intelligence, again for the big imaginary box. We're not just a body we're actually an ecology and each organ in system has a contribution to our experience or whatever life is at the moment. Interestingly enough recent research shows that one of the most powerful elements that affects our brain function our perception is what goes on in our gut biome because the neurotransmitters and the immunosubstances are produced primarily in the gut. It's weird, it is true! So we are this ecology and each organ has a field I called it a room in that particular experience you were talking about where I took people into the chakra room

52:12 when they go into those spaces with awareness and relaxation. That's the critical part, relaxation and awareness. When they do that they can get impulses from that area of the body and all of a sudden they will see something that's of value so back to my story I had a dream i went into my kidneys very clearly and then i was flying a jet and i took a bite of a candy bar in the dream and the jet started to lose altitude and then I crashed. And then, in the dream—I was still in a dream but I woke up in the dream—but I was still asleep and then I heard two Italians talking in an accent and they said Tom you must stop eating so much sugar we can't get all this sugar out of your body that was the message from them whatever these intelligences were in my kidneys I went to the doctor

53:11 Two weeks later, had no medical contact before then. What does the doctor say to me? Stop eating so much sugar." So the numinous that weirdness of the internal information of the body was presented to me before I got the medical diagnosis. I thought that was interesting. Very much so and you mentioned that we are an ecology and i started this asking you about mapping out the unseen unphysical non-physical world And that's kind of a curiosity of mine, the spiritual ecology or is there a spiritual hierarchy? Some of these beings talk about being fourth dimensional or fifth dimensional beings. It's hard to really know what that means but do you see there being some kind of spiritual hierarchy? I guess absolutely yes okay i've heard you talk about the feeders which are kind of low vibrational beans that seem to feed off of stress and

CHAPTER 14 / 20 Discussion

Spiritual Hierarchies and the Influence of Feeders

The discussion explores the existence of a spiritual hierarchy, including "feeders" that consume negative emotional energy generated by human stress and media-driven fear. Kenyon distinguishes between benevolent, life-affirming entities and those with a destructive nature, noting that a being's lack of a physical body does not equate to enlightenment. He suggests that some societal "string pullers" may consciously or subconsciously interact with these negative forces to influence the population.

feeders· spiritual hierarchy· benevolent beings· media brainwashing· negative energy

54:07 negative emotional states from people on the earth. So obviously that suggests there is a hierarchy Yes, and the vehicle they're using now is the media television news brainwashing that's going on through the media as an example of the feeders Interesting! That was gonna be one of my questions was Do the people who kind of make the rules in our society, the elite is obviously the common term. Do you think that the shapers, the string pullers of our society know these sorts of things? Do they know how energy works and vibration work so that they can use these things weaponize these mechanisms against the population? I think some do but not all

54:53 Yeah, that's a question that comes up a lot with various guests is if the elite are in conscious communication with negative forces or if it's a subconscious almost like possession. Like spirits can look down at our physical plane and see where the power is and kind of ride those people an influence those people without them being really aware of it definitely sounds like you're saying it's both end Yes, and also I would say that the hierarchy that i'm speaking of and thinking of has to do with the quality of the consciousness of the being. We're talking about spirit beings just because a being doesn't have a body doesn't mean they're enlightened it just means they don't have a body right now so it has to do with the quality of the consciousness The hierarchy that I pay attention to is the hierarchy of the benevolent ones for a broad term includes all spiritual traditions but excludes certain aspects

55:53 What I mean by that, it's the beings who are life-affirming, life enhancing. Those beings who have love as their nature instead of those beings who have hatred is their nature these are very two different things so we have to hierarchies in The Big Blob And the one I'm interested in is the beings that are benevolent and have compassion and love, and are working towards the elevation of life. That's the hierarchy i'm interested...I am aware of the other hierarchy! I'm not interested it's just a choice but whatever a person chooses there's no right choice actually it's just experiences

56:33 But as a person goes into the negative hierarchy too much, it can really poison their life and relationships and make things very difficult. So I think that's interesting you said just because of being is a spirit or doesn't have a body doesn't mean they're enlightened there are intelligent ones less intelligent ones altruistic ones devilish ones Well, what about that interplay between having a body and not or where these energies emerge from? I'm used to thinking in archetypes and that there's just almost like a chord. If we're going to stick with musical analogies there's various chords that would correspond to what we might interpret as personality types if we were to tap into spirits but

57:26 Where does a being, a feeder or anyone on this hierarchy actually emerge from? Do they rotate in and out of bodies like those sorts of things. Like how are they born what is the life like for non-bodied being? It depends it depends a lot on the vibratory field they're remaining How high up are they in their own ascent and consciousness Or how low are they And that's what determines where they're coming from. So I can't believe the time went by, I have seven pages of notes here! I barely even looked at them...I just kind of shot from the hip because it was just so fun. Good that's the best thing, that's the best. I hope so but it really

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Suicide Prevention Resources and Hathorian Philosophy

In response to a global mental health crisis, Kenyon highlights free suicide prevention resources available on his website, including Ericksonian hypnotic sessions designed to reduce self-sabotage. This initiative aligns with the Hathorian philosophy of creating "goodness in the field" through positive intentions and service. The segment concludes with a summary of the extensive free content, sound meditations, and books available at tomkenyon.com.

suicide prevention· ericksonian stories· mental health crisis· tomkenyon.com· free resources

58:18 It is crazy that time has flown by so fast. It's been really fascinating, I really urge people to listen to some of your singing because it does seem really hard to fake or achieve without being a conduit for something. I think the best thing they could do is watch the Paris presentation that I watched because it is a live stage performance as opposed to MP3 on your site but if you were talking to the skeptical knowing all the things you have done What do you think is the best thing they could watch or see to get the best, most convincing material that you have out there? Is there some go-to you usually suggest to skeptics? Perhaps go to the acoustic brain research tab on our website and they can look at the scientific research behind what I do. Fair enough yeah that is definitely interesting stuff too awesome well

59:14 Man, I guess this is an open-ended sense. Any parting words of advice or tips for navigating the chaotic node that we're dealing with? Well we'd just like to mention that on the website there's something called suicide prevention and this was a program i developed years ago back in the late 80s based on the work of Dr. Milton Erickson, and so they're called Ericksonian Stories and it's a hypnotic session and it helps to reduce low self-esteem decrease self sabotage and decrease suicide risk including suicide ideation And it has a long long track record of success because we are in such a mental health crisis on the entire planet Mental health professionals are just sounding the alarm We're in epidemic folks

1:00:03 and this is an epidemic of mental illness, and suicide risk. Suicides are increasing astronomically especially among young people and so we posted this and it's greatly reduced and it's offered free of charge for anyone who doesn't have the finances to pay for it. So I would like our listeners take that in because they may come across somebody who has either tried to commit suicide or thinking about it and they could offer this resource and then can get it for absolutely free. And that's just part this Hathorian perspective, which is that the more goodness we can create in the world the better off the world will be no matter what we do. We make a cupcake and do it with the best job we can with love it will have a good effect Yes That message resonates with a lot of other guests who operate at the level of the field and they say that you need to think about things in that field

1:00:58 Think about your intentions and your positive reverberations in the field. And you could be having effects that you don't even realize just by being positive, not having negative self-talk or negative talk about other people. These are all things that affect the field. You agree? Absolutely nice man. Just so much fun. I feel like I kind of had too much stuff prepared and had too many questions that I kinda like it was overwhelmed myself But before I let you go, make sure you mention to the people the website. The books just the things they can absorb that you have put out there

1:01:37 But if they go to the website www.tomkinion.com, there's a tremendous amount of free content like most of the Hathors... all the sound meditations from the Hathors with exception of few are offered free of charge in the listening section so people can actually experience the sound codes for themselves read the Hathor messages I've written articles and there's other resources and interviews So it's just a lot of free content there and that'd be the best place to go because then they can check in on the Hathor book, Hathor material messages from an ascended civilization. and Arcturian book, and Magdalene books, and other resources. I agree the website is great it's laid out chronologically top to bottom in the different sections from the sidebar sub menu And i think its very easy navigate and nobody can say you're doing this for money because so much of it is just out there in the open and your just so matter-of-fact about these channelings

CHAPTER 16 / 20 Discussion

Guest Request Process and Personal Meditation Experience

The host reflects on the process of discovering Tom Kenyon through listener requests in the forum and emphasizes the importance of providing detailed contact information for potential guests. A personal account is shared regarding the "Cave of Altran" meditation, which resulted in a potent, life-like waking dream. The host notes that while Kenyon's work may seem "out there," it appears effective for individuals who choose to engage with the auditory technology.

guest requests· higher side chats· forum· cave of altran· waking dream

1:02:34 Really incredible but thanks for taking the time. I hope to catch on tour someday if the tours come around again, but until then keep doing what you do and take care thank you. And boom goes the dynamite something different than the THC norm which is already different than real norm but i'm glad i decided a front run this one with one of his channeling's I couldn't shake the thought throughout the interview that i wish anyone who was listening and new to Tom would have that context but he does seem to me like a brain researcher who was tapped to be a mystic. And he's been doing this almost as long as I've been alive, he's been vetted and interviewed 1000 times

1:03:19 I had not actually heard of tom until i was looking at the guest request section of the forum. And seven me to picked up on the fact that peter mark adams mentioned tom kenyon in one of our interviews and then he might make a good guess because it does have that brain research psych education, and so i copied and pasted that onto my very long list of leads and have added there for several years now And I should say one of the main things people who listen tend to want to do when they contact me is suggest a guest and i don't comment much in the forums but i do keep tabs on the guest request thread. But it takes time to dig into a person's work and see what they're about hours really,

1:04:05 And so often a request is just a name and those go to the bottom of the stack. I need a name, a description of their work, a link to their website maybe even a link to a good interview and then i can have a little head start So keep that in mind if you're making recommendations bonus points if you give me their contact information I can't tell you the amount of times i've gotten someone requested to me i have spent hours listening them talk. Going over their website mean like oh yeah this person, this will work for us and then i go to their website they have no contact information they don't respond on social media and there publisher doesn't write me back in it just never happens

1:04:51 So the more you can give me, the better if you really want your guest request to manifest. But as for Tom, the way his downloads usually come is that a new Hathor message will be paired with a sound meditation so you can read their message and in it they usually say something about why this meditation is useful at the time and then Tom gives his thoughts in a section below that And like I said, I had a sort of woe experience doing the Cave of Altran meditation. I'll spare you the details, but once i got into that deeper state the visual aid of The Cave sort of took on a life of its own and became a very potent waking dream-like experience! I don't know if this stuff is going to change the world or anything but it does seem to work for individuals who engage and it's all right there on the website for ya

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Hathor Messages on COVID-19 and Manifestation

The host discusses specific Hathor messages that allegedly predicted themes similar to the COVID-19 pandemic years in advance during discussions on H1N1. The core advice from these entities for the current timeline is to "stay curious and expect miracles," a sentiment that mirrors concepts of manifestation and the reverse placebo effect. The Hathors are described as non-saviors who offer perspective primarily to those who have already undergone a "red pill" awakening process.

h1n1· covid-19· manifestation· miracles· red pill· curiosity

1:05:47 But I do have those questions. If these beings have knowledge and influence in our world, why not tap a person like Taylor Swift or Miley Cyrus to be the vessel? They obviously have more cultural influence or wider reach but maybe there's no point because as soon as they hypothetically shifted to this sort of thing their popularity would just collapse but it feels like the Hathors could be more effective in spreading this message, but maybe that's also just me thinking with 3D human logic. Maybe from their perspective you take the lines of communication that are open and you just hope for the best. Some other things I like about Hathor messages compared to other channeled material is they say hey we're not saviors! We are just offering our perspective Here's a little insight about what we see coming down the pike on your timeline

1:06:47 And here's some auditory technology that we can lend you to help you get through it they also say and at least one message i saw. If your still a mainstream thinker well we really aren't even talking to you and we don't even have time for you were basically just trying to, help out those who are gone through the red pill process there was with the eyes to see in all that Basically everybody's welcome to the table but we know only a few people are gonna sit down and those of the ones that were focused on, they also said some pretty wild and detailed stuff about h1n1 that sounded like you could swap in cove it would be spot onto i talked about that in the plus show. Recent hat or message that came out between recording this interview and releasing at

1:07:38 Got into what they say is their main advice for this time and that is to quote stay curious and expect miracles. When i reflect on that it's pretty perfect as a message, i think about this schedule a day project with gordon and people like len mctaggart and those who operate at the level of the field What even drives the conspiracy red pilling process it skepticism and curiosity, curiosity to understand how things really work under the hood. And that phrase expect miracles is just like man if manifestation as any truth to it if there's something like a reverse placebo effect

1:08:23 You always hear people saying don't focus on the fear and the negative because you do manifest it well expect miracles is basically like stay positive and expect. Good things to happen i would expect beans who had insight into how things work on a field level, just say basically exactly that and on top of it there sound meditation seem effective at least for me On the first try you know i've been doing this show forever and i often say that didn't work but it's interesting so let's present to you guys if u want more. Tom can watch the film about him, i got the vibe a few times that they were kind of coming in with a mocking energy but the film is the film and you can judge for yourself but also recommend his paris presentation that's on youtube

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Second Hour Preview and Tom Kenyon Sabbatical

A preview of the interview's second hour covers topics such as lucid dreaming, secret societies in the imaginal realm, and the Hathors' existence in the 5th through 13th dimensions. Kenyon also discusses a three-year sabbatical he took starting in 2019 to process a major download, marking this interview as one of his first public appearances since that period. Additional topics include the impact of architectural design on human consciousness and the mechanics of magic.

lucid dreaming· secret societies· 5th dimension· sabbatical· architectural design

1:09:20 You have to deal with translation but it's a really killer presentation and you get to hear and see him doing his thing. Probably the best form that i found and i'd say dig into the website in explore some of those meditations when you go into the hat or messages you will need that imaginary box handy i think thats just how these things work, Big thanks to Tom for doing this interview and being bold enough to accept his situation that he's in. I know it hasn't always been easy as for me, I don't think I was my best in this interview. I was really just starting to wrestle with the fact that the night before it did become kind of real to me and sometimes when I passed the ball, he would just give me a one word answer and pass it right back. And then I would fumble around a bit because I'm not really used to that

1:10:12 How mine looking stupid though just let you know that i know in the second hour of this one we got deeper into the mechanisms of lucid dreaming slowing down time exploring inner worlds and even the idea of secret societies or the ability of groups. Have meeting places in the imaginal and all sorts of fun stuff like that, We talked about beings that feed on negative energy, the Hathors understanding that they are in the 5th through the 13th dimension and that they feed on what we know of as stars. Just so many little insights that make sense of the weird stuff we talk about around here. Hathor's looking up to their own higher dimensional spiritual teachers I like that part

1:10:59 We talked about Tom's intuition or really the message that he got to stop teaching before 2020. This voice kept telling him to stop what he was doing and process the latest download, or it could hurt him and the work." And he said that was in 1999 but I'm pretty sure he meant 2019. He has been quiet for three years trying to wrestle with the latest downloads and THC is only his second interview that he has done since The Sabbatical We talked about his thoughts on magic and why it works, architectural design and the effects on human consciousness. Isn't it curious that we all basically just live in a box? Does that limit our consciousness somehow? Great stuff! Sign up for PLUS if you have the stones. In higher side news... Our latest episode with Analog was clearly a popular one 4.7 on the PLUS member rating scale

CHAPTER 19 / 20 Discussion

Plus Member Ratings and Independent Media Economics

The host analyzes the challenges of running an independent podcast, noting that while thousands of free listeners enjoy the content, only a tiny fraction (approximately 1%) choose to support the show through a Plus membership. Recent statistics show that a free release of a Plus episode resulted in only 24 new sign-ups despite 45,000 "impactful plays." The segment serves as a call for a reciprocal rather than consumer-based relationship with media creators.

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1:11:57 Like I said before, that's about as high as it ever goes. I'm shocked that Seamus maintained a perfect five but 4.7 is great especially with really unique stuff because THC topics are so diverse there's always a few who don't like this or that Really lively comment section too Analog himself graced us with his presence As well as previous guest Alex Trismegistus from the StolenHistory.net forum if you remember that interview And we might even all do a show together if the stars align. But there was still some confusion expressed about the ratings and where to do it, now that I'm talking about it people are curious but plus members have to log into the website and scroll down to the comments section you'll see five golden stars and you just point-and-click Some people have commented that its not working for them and ill have our tech guy investigate

1:12:54 But it's tough sometimes with so many different browsers and devices in the world. If it's not working for you, you have to tell us what you're using because it helps our tech guy and right now he can't find a configuration where it doesn't work. It works on his iPhone. It works on my Android and it works on my Mac with the Brave and Chrome browser. So help us help you if you're unable to get a response from that star rating plugin give us a little more information than it doesn't work. Also, as I mentioned before, I'm going to be ending each month with the free plus show in the free show feed. It might be effective marketing at least for me and it gives new life to older shows that I liked a lot. I used Dr. Stephen Skinner as the first one of pretty timeless conversation about magic and magical history even though it was from 2017

1:13:53 And look, it's just an idea I decided to try out. Just because a free listener listens to it doesn't mean that they owe me or anything but I would hope that the goodwill might motivate some people to sign up The reality is that I could keep giving more and more and more free stuff trying harder and harder to make my case and many people would just take it all and never give anything back I know why, it's a lofty goal to try and reshape the entire mindset of people around podcasts and media in general. And make it reciprocal rather than just consumer based for the sake of putting ads on your head. I think that is bigger cost then $8 but whatever! And ill say this because its a very new thing that I started to do In future Ill let it be what it is

1:14:46 It can be frustrating to see that forty five thousand free listeners listen to that three plus show in the three days it's been up at least seventy five percent of the way through that all my stats will show me they call that an impactful play. But forty-five thousand people saw that pop up in their feed and thought oh yeah check this out, I guess the rest of the subscribers were just like and that's all i don't need it or maybe they just haven't gotten to yet it has only been three days. How many of those forty five thousand people decided to sign up for plus think about it just make a mental gas before i say if this was your business what would you consider success,

1:15:30 And of course you never really know exactly some people might have signed up cuz they just got paid or somebody finally pull the trigger after years and it's not exactly pegs to. The release of a free plus episode but the number of people who signed up after listening that is twenty four twenty four people said okay i'm in And i think if you were doing this work of your in my position you might find that frustrating right. I shouldn't complain i am doing fine but just think about your own work and forty five thousand people enjoying what you put all your energy into, and then twenty four people decide that it's worth eight bucks and the rest to say thanks i enjoyed that but its worth nothing more free stuff please

1:16:22 And again, you know, I should not complain. I love what I do. I'm very fortunate that I'm able to do it and I have more than enough plus members to feel successful. But I think anyone who's been doing this full time for what man 10 years now? I quit my job in 2014 damn What i think anyone would be like man what can i do to move the needle a little bit more it's like a puzzle and i've tried to solve that in every which way, i gave out cash few months ago i spent a lot of money on marketing that went nowhere. Now im doing this thing but the reality is ninety nine percent people just aren't going to do anything but consume what they get for free and move on to the next three things

1:17:08 And i just have to accept and be grateful that basically one percent is enough to make my family happy but if you think about it you'd be a little frustrated by that ratio and understand why people who. Our content creators get better really feel like u don't have value to so many people it's like dance monkey dance the phrase you hear in your head, But enough of the bitch fast that is not the point i'm just saying i'm gonna be given a free plus show out in the free feed at the end of every month this year. And if it helps great if it doesn't i'll just go back to how its been either way i hope people who did listen to it got a little more out of it, dr stephen skinner was really great knowledgeable guest on magic and talking about it and the mechanisms behind it at a high level

CHAPTER 20 / 20 Discussion

Upcoming Meetups and Closing Remarks

The episode concludes with a list of upcoming Higher Side meetups in Los Angeles, Maine, Washington D.C., London, and Nashville to help listeners connect in person. The host encourages the audience to use the Hathor sound codes to maintain sanity during chaotic times. The show ends with a signature sign-off and a musical segment addressing the "chaos creators" and "lower vibrational feeders."

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1:17:58 And it does pair nicely with Tom today too in some ways. With that said, let's look at the calendar for our meetups we have The Flame International Restaurant February 8th in LA February 10th Saco Maine The Golden Rooster February 13th Flaggard in Washington DC Don't Leave Our Man Hanging Nobody came when he made an event last month I hate to see that Now that I'm on the East Coast, I'd drive up there myself if I didn't have these kids weighing me down. February 17th The Monkey Puzzle in London is having a higher side meetup That's a beautiful thing to see and Nashville Tennessee on February 20th Just another resource that i maintain to try to help you guys find each other because it can be isolating to be In this particular counterculture

1:18:52 That said, brace for a wild ride through this chaotic node in the timeline. Engage with some Hathor sound codes to rewire your own consciousness and keep your sanity through it all! Big thanks again to Tom and as they said stay curious and expect miracles. That's it from me I've done my part Your move Chaos Creators Lower Vibrational Feeders & Energetic Information Keepers Your fucking moon. Don't be sheep till you're slaughtered for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed but you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did ya get the memo? Can't you see that we're so screwed? Don't you know where are- Can't you just admit we're screwed anyway It's a skit okay Use it and wish but we don't have a choice

1:20:39 It seems we're stuck here, but you can find no sis drown out the noise now use that alter and up your magic game Listen to THC. You know go with the eddies if you ever see Don't be sheep to your slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed but you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did ya get the memo? Can't you say that we're so screwed? Don't you know where our cum- Can't you just admit we're screwed I'm gonna tell K.A.

1:22:06 Don't be sheep to your slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed but you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did ya get them mem? Can't you see that we're so screwed? Don't you know we are kung fu? Can't you just admit we're screwed I'm gonna tell you anyway It's a school Can't you see that