THC 98: Len Kasten | Project Sepro: Secret Journey To An Alien Homeworld

00:04 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed a nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times but we're far from 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration We offer a fresh conversation! These are the Higher Side Chats. Hello, hello higher side chatters! Welcome to The Goddamn Show! Smokin' a little smoke and drinkin' a little drink which is definitely recommended for the weirdness we got today I am Greg Carlwood from sunny San Diego and were gonna examine a specific case of human alien contact known to the deep level black budget groups as Project Serpo

00:52 It's a bit of a funny thing because in vague terms, people will be pretty accepting of the idea that we visited with aliens or that aliens have visited us. But when you get into such detail, people start to get pretty skeptical and I cannot blame anybody for that but there is a lot of talk out there about this type of meeting so... Some story has to be true, and the only information that really seems to suggest that the Project Serpo story isn't legitimate seems to be rooted in a forum board war where one forum tries to discredit the story because it spawned on a competing forum. So there's a motivation to destroy the story to show your board is the real conspiracy board

01:35 But there's also an incentive to make up the story, to quote-unquote blow the whistle and have it done on your forum so that you get the extra hits. So that YOU get the prestige! But its important to note this information came out on a private network of people sharing this type of information first I don't know its not quite clear but once it went public It caused a whole host of controversy in the conspiracy forum world. And also you have to take what we know about disinformation into account, you know? Could this have been a paid shill trying to throw everyone off the track? Could it be half-truths? You know these are questions that you have to ask yourself but never the fucking less it is interesting

02:18 So who knows people, but Lensbook Project Serpo is very well reviewed and maintains a 4.5 on Amazon. 135 people can't be wrong can they? But anyway I always try to ask questions that a skeptic might ask regardless of what i think because I love to take someone from a no way is that possible to a well shit maybe it is And I tried to help Len make that case. You'll have to decide how we did." Apparently the original messages from the anonymous source where all this comes from, have enough technical information in them to make people much smarter than me find a reason to dig deeper and find them to be credible

02:58 As you'll hear, the story of The Yellow Book is probably the hardest pill to swallow. In fact it's so wild that if this was a fake story... ...the trickster probably wouldn't even include such a fantastical chunk of information if they wanted their story to be believable! Either way, I suggest you get your head right. Strap yourself in and enjoy this ride! I'm going to remind the world about the money bomb again Almost a thousand bucks handed out to date We're preparing for the big 100th episode. I hope we can blow it out We are close to 350 in donations right now So be giving away at least 125 which is solid It's a solid base That said here are the details and I'll be on the other side with the wild tail that is Project Serpo

05:07 Well folks, we've heard a lot of stories about human and alien integration before with stories of secret underground bases abductions hybridization testing in classified space programs. And today were going to take a hard look at one those stories in detail A story that involves decades of ET contact and even a program to take human astronauts to the alien home world, a program called Project Serpo. Today's guest Len Kasten has written an extensive book called Appropriately Secret Journey to Planet Serpo A True Story of Interplanetary Travel and has been researching the secret ET involvement in human storyline for quite some time much of which is documented in his previous book The Secret History of Extraterrestrials. Len welcome to the show. Yeah nice to be with you Greg

05:51 Yeah, man. I'm psyched about this story although there is a lot of controversy over its validity and you're going to get that with any story that involves aliens it's undeniable that you'll have that but i hope we can make a case for Project Serpo that the people find within the realm of possibility so To start us off let's talk about the source of the information how did this story come about? It started with a series of emails sent into an insider network, UFO network of about 150 people. Most of whom were ex-military and ex intelligence people so this was high level UFO network they called it the UFO Threadlist And this series of emails was sent in from one of the members of the list reporting on a program that took place in 1960

06:45 four and five, wherein we sent twelve Americans to a distant star system as part of an exchange program. He was in a position to know because he was involved with the program many years ago. This series of emails took place in 2005 which was 40 year after the actual event And apparently he was an older man by then, but when he was involved in the program obviously much younger. So that's how it all began. Right so... He sends these anonymous emails How many pages of information would you say he put out there? Well, you know the email became The website was created to house the emails eventually and that email became fleshed out with a lot of other information

07:41 from other people involved in the program who also chose to remain anonymous but who were intimately involved with it. So at this point, it has something... It's still out there by the way and still has about 13000 words of information so it is overwhelming actually. Yeah so have there been any other outside of Anonymous and a few other anonymous sources? Have there been any credible whistleblowers that we know of that have been able to confirm this information Well, all of whom have written into the website and remained anonymous. But what's remarkable about it is that nobody of any note has come forward to discredit or debunk it after 9 years. This came in 2005, that was nine years ago

08:34 The information's been out there on the website for nine years and the important people have actually confirmed it. People like Rick Doty, who was in the Air Force Office Special Investigation had a lot of reasons to know what was going on. Whitley Streber and many people that ilk have more or less confirmed it but not rejected it. Let's get into the actual story here I mean It's pretty fascinating stuff. This thing starts with Roswell, if I'm not mistaken correct? Yes, Roswell. Start us off there... What is the storyline? Well in the Roswell crash five aliens died Five bodies were found near the craft but one survived and that survived alien made all difference in the world and that what began the whole Project Serpo saga

09:35 because he was taken to Los Alamos and questioned there. We found a way to communicate with him, one person said they actually operated on his larynx to make him able to talk but I don't think that's really what happened because it wasn't really necessary He was able to more or less pick up some English But he did speak in those high, in those tonal variations very much like what was shown in Close Encounters of the Third Kind. Yeah that's very strange I've heard about there is a connection to Close Encounters There is a lot of speculation that it possibly is inspired by the first visitation with the aliens that apparently came back after they had made contact with this one that had survived the crash at Roswell

10:30 Well, the alien that survived the crash allowed us to get in communication with his planet. What happened was there was a communications device in the craft which the scientists at Los Alamos had retrieved but they couldn't get it to work and he couldn't get it to work until finally five years later after trying many things one of the American scientists came up with the bright idea simply bringing the device back to the crashed craft which they had and hooking it up to the power source there in the craft, and lo and behold it worked. What's interesting about that is that wasn't the alien who conceived the idea was one of the Americans In any case communications began in 1952 with his home planet He sent six messages in quick succession to that planet

11:30 One of which suggested an exchange program. At whose authority that was made, I'm not sure. So he sent six messages home were any of them messages to come and get him? One of the messages was it was requesting a rescue operation yes but apparently that was impossible at that time however that's begins another story because You know, it was clear to some of the scientists at Los Alamos that tiny little craft probably didn't travel through interstellar space. It was just too small and too unequipped and they assumed there must be a mothership somewhere in the vicinity still. And that turned out to be the case. That turned out to be the case. Really? Yes, it turned out to be the case.

12:33 Because in early, mid 1953 another craft didn't crash in Kingman Arizona it landed. And apparently that was part of the arrangement that they would send another craft down not to rescue the alien that had survived but to give us as a gift a anti-gravity craft circular disk to use to reverse engineer and make our own And so in 1953, that craft was retrieved and brought to Nevada test site. There were four live aliens on the craft they were also brought to Los Alamos but eventually they were brought back to the Nevada test sites so they could work with scientists there and that's all detailed in my chapter on Kingman

13:28 Interesting. So this, I guess would mark the first major encounter with an ET species for the American government but there's also speculation that the Nazis had similar type craft and similar type beings helping them was this the same type of entity? Was it a different entity or was it just the same group of aliens? Different they were different. Different group yeah these aliens were from Zeta Reticuli my belief is the belief of Anonymous that the so-called greys are from Alpha Centauri. And they're totally different species, I say totally because there's some similarities in terms of their physiology but basically they're different... The aliens from Serpo are more human looking and look like small people actually They have a brown complexion, they have five fingers and toes

14:25 Their eyes are a little larger, but not spectacularly large like the Greys. And they're much easier to interact with. Interesting! They're also very caring people we discovered and they've never ever abducted any of our citizens So that's interesting. Yeah, this being he lived in some military base for five years and then it was not until 10 years later that the first meeting was arranged between the US government and this alien race? That's the case um in

15:10 In this discussing this why he would have made that suggestion for a exchange program ten years out the americans were baffled but before they could get it clarified died, died in nineteen fifty two summer fifty two so they never understood why he had suggested. Ten years down the road with the nineteen sixty to add is interesting maybe you thought We had a lot more work to do before we were worthy of that type of meeting. But did we know why he died? Was it just a natural kind of thing?"

15:48 Apparently, yeah. I think probably more remarkable than anything that he survived for five years in such a different possibly hostile environment as far as he was concerned Yeah, and that's what I was thinking you go halfway around the world And if you don't get a bunch of shots You could be hit with some nasty disease I can only imagine being from another galaxy you'd think they'd have those same kind of concerns like you can't eat an apple because it might kill ya Breathe the air you can't be around a dog. Maybe who knows I mean it seems like it'd be such a dangerous environment Exactly they had him in a pretty in a pretty contained environment and lost Alma I think he took as many steps as they could to keep them healthy and keep them alive But uh, I think he just expired and rather strange because on their planet They lived too much longer much older age than we do so

16:39 But on Earth he wasn't able to live that long. I'm not sure how he died, maybe contracted something a disease it couldn't be fixed? I don't know, I'm not sure. Yeah so do we know obviously they have some type of wormhole technology or some type of travel technology that we don't have or that we didn't have then who knows what we have now in the black projects but How long does it take? Do we have any idea the travel distance between them and us, how long they can travel that many light years. When when we went to Serpo on their spacecraft the trip took about 10 months. Talking about 240 trillion miles or 40 light-years 39 point 8 light years

17:34 So that means that they traveled at 40 times the speed of light. Right, interesting. Evidently what we learned was that they traveled through wormholes and travel through a wormhole is instantaneous it doesn't take time at all because its going to the time domain apparently so but 10 month period evidently was taken up with of navigating with stellar navigation, which they were experts at that point. They had been developing this technology for 50 thousand years of our years so they knew how to navigate to and from and in out the wormholes once in the wormhole it's like folding space their planet then essentially became much closer to ours like space was folded over to the point where

18:35 star systems were virtually side by side. That's how it worked and so it took 10 months, you know when you add in the acceleration the deceleration navigation apparently that's all taken up with the ten months I'm not sure and also they use a form of anti-matter propulsion as well our people were able to travel to walk around the ship they were allowed to go into the engine room They answered all the questions we had. So evidently, we picked up a lot of information about that technology and about that propulsion. Interesting! So they brought us a craft to reverse engineer... Tell me more about that first meeting? The beam dies and then 10 years later I guess during those ten years there was ongoing communication back-and-forth maintained

19:30 Evidently, yeah. The fact that they had given us a craft to reverse engineer was kept very secret. Very high level but way above top secret because we were back engineering that craft at the Nevada test site and that's all in one of the appendices in my book because the man who was involved gave a personal testimony about what went on there and how he was able He was in charge of building a simulator for our pilots. They built the simulator that essentially simulated travel or flight in the anti-gravity craft and that was his job, and that's in the book. Right also in the book I was really surprised to see apparently John F Kennedy had knowledge of this Serpo project in this ongoing communication correct?

20:28 Yeah, by the time they were ready Kennedy was president and he was briefed on the exchange program. And he had the option of saying yes or no and he said yes! He was absolutely committed to any triumphs that could be made in space. Going to the moon whatever... That's what he called the new frontier. And he worked with Von Braun on this whole thing But he had absolutely no knowledge from what I could determine in my research, he had absolutely no knowledge of what went on after Kingman and in the reverse engineering of the craft. He did not know about that. So as far as he was concerned they had proposed an exchange program, he agreed to the exchange program and uh... he said go forward with it That's how- that triggered the entire operation

21:29 Now he was assassinated before the visitation, right? It was like five months before. Right? That's right yeah Oh man such a bummer The whole world could have been way different Exactly because probably knowing his dedication to transparency He probably was going to have it videoed... videod... have it televised And that would be my guess anyway. I don't have any knowledge or information about that, but knowing Kennedy as we do the way he detested secrecy government secrecy That would have been a logical thing for him to do Yeah It's it's crazy to think about how different things could have been now Let's go to that first meeting you know Kennedy is assassinated five months later this first meeting happens with the even they're called the Evan right and

22:23 Well, one of the scientists at Los Alamos came up with that because it's a short form of extraterrestrial biological entity. So that became EVEN and they became labeled with the word, with term EVEN. That was our term for them. They became the EVENS. Okay so that first meeting what was that like? That first meeting, meaning the first landing? Yeah. The first landing they came in and got their bodies I understand and there were a few other interesting details to that first meeting We had the 12 Americans ready to board the craft in April of 1964 They were sitting on a bus outside of Holloman Air Force Base That's where the first landing took place was at Holloman in New Mexico

23:14 But when they arrived, they decided that they did not want to take our people with them at that particular time. And they said they would come back in a year, July of 65 for the exchange program. So in that first meeting it was more or less of a ceremonial meeting. They gave us an incredible gift called The Yellow Book. Right! Tell us about The Yellow Book? Well, the Yellow Book was really like a block ... more like a plastic block or something. It wasn't really a book but it was about the size of a book and when it was opened scenes appeared from distant past all way up to present going back to the way our planet evolved and the way our species evolved they had all that information in pictorial form

24:11 So it was like reliving it when you opened the book. And there were words accompanying the pictures, and the words were in a language that you, the reader spoke. So apparently it had the ability to pick up from your thoughts or from your aura or whatever, your language and then it would speak to you in that language See now the yellow book is fascinating to me. What kind of details did Anonymous give on the content of this yellow book? Because obviously our history is very skewed, it's been manipulated there are a lot of unanswered questions Did you...did he elaborate on humanity's history and some of those areas of the unknown

25:05 Yeah, of course and that's all in what is called the debriefing book. When the seven Americans returned in 1978 only seven came back by the way they were debriefed for a solid year by the DIA and by the Air Force Office Special Investigation And they were kept isolated for that period of time. That resulted in a 3,000 page book so all the information you're asking and all the questions you are asking are answered in that book and Anonymous had access to that book. Wow! So we don't have all the details naturally but it's 3000 pages but we have enough

25:56 to produce those emails that he sent into the website. Yeah, I mean can you share anything about the contents of that history? Did anybody go back and look at who built the pyramids or check the validity of Atlantis or watch the dinosaurs get wiped out by an asteroid...anything like that? According to Anonymous, way you read the book was once you started reading it you could not put it down and pick up where you left off. You have to start all over again, that's the way it worked." Really? That sounds odd! Yeah exactly He said he spent 22 hours reading it and didn't get very far So beyond that I don't have any more information except...he said that aliens did speak about Jesus whether or not they were taking credit for Jesus

26:59 I don't know. He intimated that there was that element where they claimed to have been involved in that If that's the case, it could have been disinformation? I don't know Right! I saw an insinuation that Jesus was possibly one of them and a teacher Of his time And also there is like you made, it could've been manipulation To try to Maybe get in our get something out of us at the time. So we were manipulated with this false story I mean our leaders do it to us. I could see them doing it to us as well Yeah, and if you go to the Billy Meyer story where? The book so-called Talmud of Emmanuel was unearthed that claims that book supposedly came from the Pleiadians and they say that

27:59 Jesus was an extraterrestrial but not from that particular planet. Interesting Yeah, he's from a different star system So have any other whistleblowers from any other areas of ufology or black ops ever mentioned the yellow book before this story? Not to my knowledge. I've never heard it discussed before, but Rick Doty didn't deny it and Willie Streber seemed to think that was all very likely or possible in his interview with George Noory. Streber, Bill Ryan who is the moderator of the website www.cerpo.org and Rick Doty were all on together

28:49 in December 2005. Remember, the information was revealed in November so this was a month after the revelation and none of the three really debunked it or denied it In fact, the fact that Doty did not deny had the opportunity I think is most significant of all And Streber had an interesting encounter with some people at one of the UFO congresses that he believed tied it to the Serpo story. Wow, were they just... They just had knowledge of it as well? Well they just related that particular incident and took a position that It could have easily have happened That was very likely story I think the attitude he took So we have this first meeting The aliens give us the yellow book

29:51 we are ready to send these astronauts with them, they say no. We're not going to do that right now then what happens? Yeah at that particular meeting they just took...they had the bodies of 10 dead aliens and they took them back several of them had been autopsied which probably did not surprise them all and uh... That's what happened at that particular meeting was a ceremonial encounter. We have 16 people there waiting for them when they landed, and it's my belief that President Johnson was not among them. However some high-ranking intelligence operatives and military people probably were. So that is what happened in April of 1964 at Holloman Air Force Base

30:45 By the way, the very first contact when they got into our atmosphere was that they had misplaced the landing zone by about 100 miles or so. And interestingly there was a sighting of that craft that looked like the one apparently that they sent by Lani Zamora near Socorro at exactly that time Now that's good, that's good to hear. That's quite interesting and the Zamora case I think confirms that meaning so it is something your listeners can look into Yeah because this is such a far out wild ride but I want it to be real you know? I wanna believe! So I'd love to hear those cooperating little pieces of evidence that kind of tie this all together

31:43 So they make a second trip out and this time they do take astronauts with them, correct? Yeah. They said they would be back in 1965 in July and to pick up our people and so this caused tremendous inconvenience logistical nightmare actually had 90 thousand pounds of equipment waiting to load onto the alien craft and The 12 Americans were sitting on a bus Waiting to get on so all that had to be postponed the I don't want to call them astronauts because they really were not astronauts These were not NASA type people. They was simply military people that it has special training. They were sent back to Leavenworth prison

32:29 Kansas because they did not want them associating with anybody for that whole year until the next pickup until the pickup So they were kept as literal literally as virtual prisoners at Leavenworth Leavenworth for that whole that whole year so now 12 people Went with them to Serpo. That's right Okay, so Do we know what happened to those other people? The ones that didn't come back. I know one died in transit on the way there That's right What about the rest of them Two died on Serpo in about the third year They were originally scheduled to be there for ten years Around the third year two more people died And then when the time came to return only seven wanted to return, two wanted to remain there

33:24 So two remained, three died seven came back. Nice so and the second half of your book is filled with excerpts from the journal of one of the military people who was sent to Serpo and it is so interesting to read through. Let's go through a little bit of that, like what can we tell the people about planet Serpo from those 13 years they were there? What do we know about the ecology of the planet anything about the planet geography environment? The planet had two suns Zeta Reticuli star system is a binary star system

34:03 Supposedly, our astronomers tell us that the two suns are very far apart and probably would not appear in the sky at the same time. However they reported that they were in the sky at the same time and therefore it never really got dark on Serpo. It would get down to like a twilight point but never dark because one of the suns would always be in the sky. Apparently what we found out was Serpo was the fourth planet in from one of those suns, which was very similar in size to our Sun. And it revolved around that Sun. It did not do a serpentine revolution about both suns. So the Sun did not revolve around...it's always in the sky but they rotated and revolved around that very much like we revolve around our Sun

35:04 Interesting. So it was constant daylight there And in terms of the actual planet, was it very Earth-like? Yeah It's about the same size as Earth but the same virtual weight or in terms of kilograms they estimated It had a lot of similarities The atmosphere was very breathable But it was very hot When they landed there it was 107 degrees But they gave them place to stay underground so that it was cooler down there and That helped a lot apparently the evens thrive in a much hotter environment than we do but their skin and they're they're Their whole biochemistry is different than ours, and they like they like to be in a hot place now did anonymous say anything to the effect of I

36:07 Who exactly we were dealing with because obviously the people from Serpo are dealing with just the United States or one country they're not doing with the planet Earth as a whole. Were we dealing with a unified planet? Or just certain geographical area of that planet No, we were dealing with entire planet They operate as single species They've reached that level That's right Yeah, they're very organized that way. They were very well controlled and we found out that it was more or less a police state Right, right. We're very regimented I saw that in the book and thought that was pretty interesting Are we talking about a police state the way we see it like you know? Very authoritative was there any sign of The people wanting to rebel against that police state or any kind of oppression Or was it uh a fairer society type situation

37:04 Well, if you want to call lack of freedom oppression then yes it would have to be. Because they were closely monitored what they did everything they did wherever they went They had a device on their belt so that they were known very similar to what we're doing now actually with the smart phones and they were required to do certain jobs at certain times in the day And this was all determined by what they call a mirror tower, that as the planet revolved around the Sun the projections of mirrored tower onto the ground would trigger a whole new type of activity. They would shift into different activities based on movements of that tower, that mirrored tower

37:59 And also, I guess the commands whatever commands may have come through that device that they all wore on their belts. And we were given those devices to wear on our belts too so we had to wear them too. Fascinating! That way they always knew where we were Right. Yeah, that sounds like a police state to me so How about animals on this planet? Of course we're dealing with an intelligent species But do we see any anything else from their environment and he by all biological creatures other than them You know there were some different kinds of animals would that they were described by the commander in his diary something something it looked like a very large snake

38:45 but it had almost like human eyes. There were several different creatures, yes. There was one that sort of looked like a lion but it had a lot of fur around its face. That's all in the book, but you know he discusses that in his diary. But he didn't spend a lot of time on that The major thing in the diary was, was the confrontation that took place over the body of 308. They were all given three digit numbers they were no longer referred to by names by the way 12 people. Yeah you have a chapter on that confrontation tell us about that what's the story there? Well 308 uh...was one of the pilots in group of twelve and he died on the way to Serpo

39:39 And the commander wanted to know what happened to his body and they said that his body no longer was there. He said, why not? The body belongs to us! They said well it's not available anymore. Well he pursued that and turned out that they had taken parts of the body and used it to clone and create other creatures. The fact that they would not release the body caused the commander to confront the doctor and ask him why he can't, they couldn't get the remains of 308. Finally they relented and let us see their biological or biotechnology laboratory in which they used parts of creatures from many other planets that they had visited to create hybrid creatures and some of them were monsters

40:42 The commander said that he used the word hideous. Damn, yeah I definitely read through that part That was pretty crazy He said one of them looked like a porcupine one of them looked like some crazy beast Yeah exactly and it disgusted him revolted him His final statement was I have seen the dark side of this civilization But you know what? He is calling the dark side when he's calling evil It's just a lack of understanding of the science that they were involved in. To them, I think it was all just experimentation with biotechnology. But you know it is true that probably a lot of these creatures were being treated with cruelty so... In a way he's right

41:31 Now, did he say anything about their planet in terms of having overpopulation or a lot of pollution? Like have they overrun their environment or do they have a lot of uninhabited space. Yeah, a lot of uninhabited space there were only 650 thousand humans most of them lived around central portion like the equator where it was hot and What happened was they found out that in their history, they had been involved in a 100-year war with another civilization. And evidently there'd been a lot of fatalities and that may have been the reason why their population was so small. Ultimately, they prevailed using particle beam weapons. So then there may have been a much larger population that just got wiped out in that war. Yeah...

42:33 Now this particular planet that they called Serpo was not their native planet. They had come from a different planet about 5000 years previously, which had been destroyed by volcanic eruptions. So they were all refugees essentially from their original home One thing I also saw in the book that i thought was interesting about their society is that they didn't use any money. That's right no money, they had huge warehouses and anytime anybody wanted anything they just went and got it

43:18 I don't know if you're familiar with the idea of Jacque Fresco's Venus Project, but this sounds almost like the same society that he is proposing that we take up here. A resource-based economy where basically all objects and material goods are in a library system and you can check them out whenever you need just like a warehouse like you're talking about no money autonomous control sounds very similar it's odd Who said that again? Jacques Fresco. I'll send you a link when we're done Yeah, please do and did he write a book as well He actually did he wrote a book called the best that money can't buy and it's a book about how Most of our problems are caused by monetary system And if we're ever going to work together Not be in conflict with other islands on the same round planet then We're gonna need to get over the monetary system so make sense it makes absolute sense I mean the evens haven't worked out

44:15 They don't even, they're not even concerned about material goods. When they need anything or when they need food it's all there Right so in those terms It doesn't seem so much like a police state Or at least not in the terms that we would think about it Um...it seems like more of just a cohesive unit working with obviously some type of hierarchy But it doesn't seem to be necessarily super abusive To the people. It seems to be somewhat beneficial for them They're all taken care of, let's put it that way. You get into the philosophical questions of what is freedom worth? Right... there's a fine line Exactly and if freedom degenerates into cannibalistic capitalism to the point where people are just ravenously taking what they want from others because you know people who get too very rich are taking away from somebody whose poor

45:12 Freedom is the key we have supposedly have perfect freedom, but then that's questionable too Do we really if we're manipulated by lack of material? Possessions or food or whatever are we really free you get to those I you get into those kinds of discussions You know yeah 99 problems my man. I hear ya so These astronauts, or these military people, these military scientists, these adventurers that went to Serpo. They were there for 13 years! Now the journals that were delivered from Anonymous they're just the journals of one of these people correct? Yeah, the team commander

45:55 Do we know anything about any of the other ones? I mean, of course it seems like time-wise they'd probably all be dead by this time correct. Yeah, the last one died in 2002 in Florida Interesting so we don't have any No records of anything left by any of the other people have been disclosed through anonymous That's right just what's on the website www.serpo.org Now how about photographs They took thousands of photographs and videos, all of which are stored at the Bowling Air Force Base in Washington. At the DIA headquarters so there are 3,000 photographs there There are soil samples, cassette recordings because they were able to use cassettes in the 60's They had that technology So it is all there It is a question of getting a Freedom Of Information Act you try and pry it out of there

46:58 Yeah, that would be great to do. I would love to see that happen but apparently a lot of people on this planet ended up knowing about these meetings and we shared this information with Russia and China the Vatican even Carl Sagan seemed to have gotten filled in on the situation Exactly He was recruited to do these scientific analysis astronomy and he was ultimately wrote supposedly wrote I think it was a 60-page opinion on the fact that their rotational computations did not seem to work out to be in accord with the Kepler formulas. That gravitation is different in that particular solar system, which he admitted to reluctantly finally at the end but he did sign his name into the report

47:53 And so, that also is in the balls at Bowling Air Force Base. His connection with it. But he did later write the book Contact. He was not willing to come out and admit that he'd been involved in that operation because it would have endangered his position at Cornell and the Cornell astronomy labs there. He was a director. NASA might have stopped giving him money. We had to walk a fine line And he did it, I think through fiction by writing the book Contact which was made into a movie as you know with Jodie Foster and Matthew McConaughey. So outside of the confrontation over one of the human bodies...I mean 13 years is a long time what did they spend their time doing? Did they just integrate into society? Did they just study with these ebon scientists

48:52 They had an agenda. The agenda was given to them by our people at Los Alamos, they kept it very military in the early stages they saluted each other as they passed so they stopped doing that after a while After about the sixth year I believe they were finally given a community of their own in the northern quadrant which was much cooler and they didn't have to live in that heat anymore From the way the commander described it, it was similar to the climate of Montana. And had the same kind of foliage, same type of environment. Evergreen trees and stuff like that? Evergreen trees yeah exactly so they must have lived a relatively pleasant seven years after that because they were

49:47 They were ensconced in a much more comfortable environment and nobody really was supervising them. So, you know it sounded to me like an extended vacation really at that point. Right so they weren't really living in secret on Serpo? It wasn't weird to the inhabitants of Serpo just have beings from another planet because obviously they've been... That wasn't even their home planet! I guess they weren't really there just living among them? Exactly and they were free to move around any way they wanted. They had use aircraft that are very much similar to our helicopters, although they didn't have blades. But they were anti-gravity and they could use that and go wherever they wanted explore the planet but they did have their own agenda I'm not sure what it was in terms of bringing back information this was incredible

50:36 insight into the rest of the universe and I'm sure they took advantage of whatever information they could gather. Right, yeah this seems like potentially the smoking gun if we could really get to all that data it's like so frustrating that we can't! I know if we could get that data incredible things would open up, incredible things will open up absolutely So its sitting there Why they are keeping it under wraps at this point, 50 years later? I don't know. So many good things could come out of it. You've combed through all these leaked journals outside of what we've discussed did you read anything in them that really stood out to you? Well... To tell you the truth one would expect to be on another planet and see beautiful cities and all kinds of incredible

51:33 futuristic developments. This was kind of a dull place and it's not the kind of place that I would want to ever even visit, you know? So while the Ibans were nice people and they treated us beautifully they weren't especially interesting. They had strange customs in terms of dancing and so forth... And didn't seem to have any culture the way we have culture. Libraries, museums, all of that seemed to be missing So we were dealing with kind of a I don't know how to describe it really. It goes way beyond 1984 just a cold Scientific community that doesn't really have any art they lived in adobe type very small Huts well, they weren't huts there were there weren't houses and they were allowed to have one child or two

52:28 and no more than one child. They were assigned to certain tasks based on their education, and that became their lifelong job so you know it wasn't to me the kind of place that we would envision a distant star system And one other thing I thought that was pretty interesting, they talked about how often they had visited Earth. They said they've been visiting Earth since before we were civilized this race has correct? Yeah exactly and that's why they spoke of Jesus and they spoke a lot of other developments on our planet but the interesting thing is if there were surveilling what I should say they were looking at are most sensitive military installation

53:19 The crash over Roswell was the crash over the 509th bomb group, which was the atomic bomb group. So the question becomes well now that then we found out that they had won a hundred-year war they had the ability if they wanted to, militarily speaking, take over this planet technology wise and that's why there was such panic at the Pentagon over the Roswell crash That's the reason. And Philip Corso talked about that in his book, The Day After Roswell. Their initial reaction to Roswell was that we were in danger of being invaded! So fortunately they turned out to be nice people, civilized people and we did expose all our information to several other countries including China, Russia, the Vatican many departments of our government

54:23 were present at succeeding meetings. The last meeting took place in 2010, in the mid-Pacific on what's called Johnston Island although it really is not an island so much as it is a natal and so you know lot of governments around the world know all about these events that includes Russia So Putin must know about it certainly Chinese know about it It's no longer a great secret we were not but we apparently have become their representatives here and they deal with us. Yeah it's interesting that all these governments would know about this and still not,

55:08 be motivated to get us to a place where we're operating as a single unit, as a world. As the Earth you know? And they know that they are making contact with another species You think that would be a motivating factor and being like hey We should probably get our shit together so he can like enter the global marketplace or whatever The galactic marketplace It raises all those questions of if we have freely shared this information with other nations and they know all these fantastic things, just as we do. You'd think there would be some sort of a worldwide movement in terms of diplomatic relationship with this planet and all the other planets that they have visited! Don't forget they've been roaming the galaxy

55:58 for 50,000 years. Can you imagine what they know? Yeah! They probably know all kinds of things but that brings up another interesting point as I've been interested in Roswell since i was a kid but I've always wondered how a spaceship could navigate a wormhole and this race could be traveling for tens of thousands of years around the universe and then crash in the Arizona desert It's an amazing story, yeah absolutely. Who knows maybe they crashed on other planets as well? Their technology is not perfect and apparently it was a very powerful radar around Roswell Air Base that caused the crash but some think it was the lightning storm that was taking place at that time In any case two of their craft collided

56:50 And one ended up near Roswell and one ended further west in the plains of St. Augustine, and we eventually recovered the remains of that craft as well. According to a briefing given to President Reagan both ships were the same design and the aliens were exactly the same so what happened was two aircraft collided And that can happen. That can happen. It can? Yeah! So we got a couple minutes left, I really want to know more about this anonymous guy because he is the crutch that this all leans on There isn't an interesting anecdote He told us that he was the editor of something called The Red Book Can you tell us about that and how he was involved with it

57:34 He claimed that the Red Book is a complete compendium of all our contacts with different ET races. And in his release to the website, he said that we had contact with 9 races altogether including the Evens and some of the life forms that we have dealt with were actually not completely biological they were part automaton but they are able to make decisions So, he talks about that. That's all in my book and it was his job as the editor of the Red Book to brief sitting presidents on updating them on a contact with ETs both ours and around the world. And that became...that is known as The Red Book. As the editor of The Red Book

58:29 And as the man who briefs sitting presidents, you've got to believe that he's way up there in the intelligence hierarchy. My own guess is that he was probably on MJ-12. See he must have been up there it seems like he's disclosed a lot of information about himself that would make it easy for high-ranking people to figure out who we was because there can't be that many people who edited the red book and brief presidents. Exactly and I think Rick Doty knows who he is, Rick Doty has made some statements that make me think that he does know what he was or as a very good guess but yeah actually still alive the last

59:10 Is last entry into the website was in two thousand twelve so he still he's still around what did you say his last century was it still just more journals. No it was some very interesting information about remember where is your take a look at can recall something we wanted to communicate, Sure. Yeah, I can't remember. There's a lot of information on the website and your listeners are encouraged to go out there and take a look at it www.cerpo.org still out there Of course so when you first heard about this story were you skeptical of it? I assume you'd have to be

59:53 I was sitting in a shuttle bus from Laughlin, Nevada to the Nevada airport to Las Vegas airport with Bill Ryan who was the moderator of the website and created the website. So i had two hours exposure to the whole story and Donald Ware was in that particular shuttle too he contributed some information you know i think you know who donald ware is right? He's well known and he is high up there in the intelligence apparatus. So when Ware seemed to go along with it, and Ryan gave so much information I began to understand that this was a true story and look for...I wanted to look further into it

1:00:38 Yeah, it's definitely fascinating. Are there any other points you would make to skeptics who might be out there shaking their head right now thinking that there is no way this could be true? Are there any other points that would make this story seem more credible? How can we reach those skeptical people? Well, President Kennedy was dedicated to government transparency so it was his It was the fact that he gave this whole operation to the DIA and not the CIA, that made this revelation possible. We never would have learned about it if it had probably stayed in the hands of the CIA. So here is 50 years later after the fact they're sitting on top of incredible technology there The only point I would like to make is that...I think its time that planet was able to start making use of this technology

1:01:37 curing illnesses, curing diseases that they had probably already worked on and using free energy. All these things that are being kept under wraps I think the time has come you know? You know we have to move into a whole other level. Absolutely! That's my only point. That's the point i'd like to make at this point Yeah man they say it is the age of awakening Alright Anlan, it has been a great time to play NetSerpo and back again. A wild far out ride! I appreciate you laying all this out for the people in your book and coming on the Hireside Chats to talk about it. Do you want to tell the people about your website or next big project before we let you go?

1:02:19 I don't have an ex big project, but my website is www.secret-et-secrethistory.com and i keep it updated with a lot of interesting information And they can also order both of my books through the website Awesome well thanks again Len It's been a real trip take care of yourself Thanks Greg! I think you've done a very good job in terms of getting to the major points here I appreciate it Thanks Wow people there it is Project Serpo I just don't know I don't even know what to think. I definitely have questions, why so many years in between the certain steps of the process? Why did the alien race let their fallen comrade spend 5 years and then die on an alien world when apparently they could've brought him home so easily

1:03:08 Yeah, I don't know. It is far out but i can't say anything really. I mean 13000 pages that's a lot of pages guys A lot of documents But either way I hope we got your blood moving guys And I hope you found it to be an interesting conversation. So please share the show if you can, support me in any way. Conspiratees! If you're into conspiracy themed t-shirts, I've got some over at conspiratees dot net Of course The Money Bomb is kind of my focus now And actually I should mention that my birthday is coming up on the 25th. I'm trying to coordinate that with our 100th episode and some people have asked me if there's a way to donate or help me out without contributing into the money bomb, and I've said no! There really isn't because i just don't separate donations that way

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