THC 71: Neil Kramer | Rejecting the Empire & Seeking Truth

00:04 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed a nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times but we're far from 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration We offer a fresh conversation! are the Higher Side Chats. Welcome to another hazy episode of the Higher Side Chats, drinking a little drink smoking a little smoke I'm your good time guy Greg Carlwood and we have the treat of all treats for you today and that sweet sweet goodness is The Great Philosopher and Teacher Neil Kramer And i can't wait to get him in the conversation but with me here to grease the wheels and fire this bitch up as my good friend and occasional co-host Kyle Prundiville. Kyle my man everything crescent fresh with you lately?

00:58 It's been pretty good. I mean, I can't complain about the way things are going Nice! That's an improvement from I think the last time I talked to you Well, I have this thing about honesty where it's a real tough road because if i'm always bitching and moaning and complaining is that honesty or is that playing the victim? And uh...it's a difficult balance. I don't know But it-It is because You're supposed to have a positive outlook. You know, you're supposed to manifest positive thoughts and not get mired in negativity but if you're honest about your situation and your situation isn't good where do you draw the line?

01:41 Well, like sometimes I feel like i'm doing justice to truth by just you know verbalizing how much pain I may be in a particular time but then if that becomes the entirety of my Twitter feed then I'm focusing too much on pain. I believe so You gotta switch it up you gotta keep it light you gotta give the people some humor something sentimental cheer them up Pictures of your pets or something like that. Yeah, I do plenty of that But you know i'm also on the cusp of taking the plunge into manifesting the life I want to live trusting That a path will unfold as I stumble into the dark abyss and it is both scary and exciting

02:28 But, I mean every month man honestly we crush the numbers from the month before on THC and it's not really doing anything for me from a financial perspective but talking to Jay Widener and thinking about the power of manifesting positive thoughts and really just going for the reality that i want to go for. I think that its important to put this into practice you know maybe ill be my own guinea pig and document through this show but It's about to happen and it's scary. But fear and anticipation and excitement are all kind of blended together at that point, but you're like about to step out into the unknown I mean it's the wheels are in motion like there's no way to stop it now! To me imagine the world if everybody was doing what they wanted to do and contributing what they felt like they could and wanted to contribute

03:27 and your contribution is THC, and damn it. We love it! And its gotta keep going. And if more people could somehow in some way make a choice or make leap of faith that separated them from the dull clock driven passing the time idly by kind of job just sullen and worthless existence with no challenges or triumphs I would much prefer to boldly go and do an endeavor of what you actually wanted to do, your own artistic expression. I think that's much more fulfilling And you're going to be more productive doing that! That's why i start thinking about these creative ways to maybe give back more... ...and I thought about the donations idea on some social media sites

04:20 But if I were to get donations, and of course i don't get very many right now but by doing this I think it would prompt more. If I gave away half my donations to a random listener every month that would be pretty damn awesome! Like you know...if 1000 people donated $1 and then I gave half of that away like somebody on that list would just get 500 bucks? You know like that's pretty badass. I would like to be able to do that kind stop that targeted goodwill. I really like the idea, i think it's a fantastic concept but you say something like that on twitter and the immediate response from everybody is why we cannot do this? Why the administration and its laws and what's legal and what isn't and oh this under so-and-so ordinance in whatever state... Everybody's mind is just obsessed with these goddamn arbitrary rules

05:18 Creative ideas like this, hey I'm gonna give a little kickback to my fans who are already kicking back to me. It's sweet that's a natural cycle it makes plenty of sense but you get all these goddamn laws in the way and now nothing can be done." It is fucking silly and ridiculous that i'm not sure what I can do with what's essentially my own money if its donated to me it's just mine And at that point I should be able to do whatever i want and it's fucked up that I'm not sure if I can in this convoluted system that we have. But, I think...and I do have to talk to some more people in the fucking gaming commission! I've been through three or four different agencies and We're still trying to figure it out but it seems like it resembles too close to a lottery

06:06 You know, I don't know if i want to mess with it but It would be fucking awesome to do and then I could Do like a 10 minute little interview with whoever it is that. I give money to you like hey man what's your situation? You know oh dude I didn't know how I was gonna Fucking pay for my fucking dog's vet bill because he's really sick or whatever the fuck it Is it'd be cool to hear A story of how the audience just had direct influence on helping someone get through this shitty structure. To me it resembles less a lottery and more like religion, and religions aren't taxed you know nobody's coming after their money they're-their money is safe and they don't even kick back anything whatever you give each mass... You're not getting a kickback there's no percentage of a chance to be kicked back

06:56 Maybe I need to get the higher side chats Classified as a religion. Yeah, or here's another idea is what if instead of giving them a portion of the proceeds? Which apparently giving your own money is illegal If you can't give money to people what if you gave him his shirt well yeah But that's that's not gonna help anybody pay the bills. Ha ha I would love I'll give it sure for Christ sake but um It would be much better and cooler to donate a lot of money because I have this vision of it, the amount of money just getting really fucking high. And it's to the point where...I'm gifting people like- Because if we were getting 10 thousand a month in donations, I would not keep half that. No way! I would just keep enough to get me by but you know whatever that is.. I could be giving away 6, 7 or 8 grand a month

07:52 To just a person, you know? That kind of money doesn't come around. It would be fucking awesome! I hope that you can work it out with the gaming commission Yeah, who knows. Oh another thing I was gonna say is that I just realized my Skype has a voicemail and i was thinking that I'd love it if anyone who wants to call in and leave me a message could and then I can play them during transitions And people could call about anything really! I know we were going to talk about this video we watched with crisis actors from Syria but We pretty much gotta get Neil on the line But we got listeners in 97 different countries and that's fucking amazing. And there is so much propaganda out there, it would be awesome for people who live in other countries to call in leave me a voicemail and say what the real situation is because I can't pay attention to international politics at all. I have no fucking idea what's going on because I won't get through conventional media and its just...I feel like I'm stuck in the American bubble

08:53 And if I feel like the information is tainted, why take it in at all? But if you can and you want to my Skype is Hireside Chats. You can also email me an MP3 if you just wanna record a little something and attach it to an email that would be cool but I'd like to get some listener voices on the air so If your interested ill keep my skype up more often That's an idea. It's an idea to get the community more involved Alright, well it looks like its time to get Kramer in here so let's take a quick second to top off our glasses and sell a couple t-shirts hopefully we'll get right back to packing bowls and making goals with Neil Kramer

11:11 And so I got Neil Kramer to come on the show today and help us plumb the depths of our own psyche, an inner peace in a world of extreme chaos. And if you don't already know Neil, he's a brilliant British philosopher and teacher specializing in the fields of consciousness metaphysics and mysticism. He is the author of The Enfoldment The Organic Path to Clarity Power & Transformation It is a god damn pleasure having him here! Neil how are ya? I am very well thank you very much it's uh...an honor to be with you guys Oh man! I'm thrilled to have you here thanks for spending some time with us Uh..the main reason that brought you here because alot of times People start to realize the levels of deep organized corruption among the global elite It's popular to use the term waking up But that only seems to be about half the puzzle and a real awakening really seems to have more to do with self-discovery And or remembering I've lost Natural knowledge than anything external and that's really the area. I want to try to explore today because to me it's a bit abstract, and I'm hoping you can make me feel a little less stupid

12:11 Sure, well that sounds like a good idea. Well let's dive in with this as I've learned about real history there seems to have been a lot of energy put into destroying an old Gnostic way of life like natural understanding the universe and today the masses seem to find themselves frantic and confused We as a race seem to be a bit unhinged and this is something you talk about a bit in your guerrilla psychonautics presentation But how would you articulate that lost knowledge? What what is it that we're missing I think he can sum it up by saying that mainstream culture is not a representation of human culture

12:53 So the culture that we've known essentially for the last 2000 years, let's say from the days of Greece and Rome and all that caper right up to today in New York and Madison Avenue and Tokyo and London and Paris and Hamburg or wherever. The culture emanates out of the West is not a reflection of human beings it is a reflection of the empire Okay, so my proposition right from the start is that as Philip K Dick the author discovered towards the end of his life there is really one empire and it just changes its robes. As it were, its garments throughout history and that single Empire stretches back

13:45 what we think as Americans and Britons quite a long way to Egypt but it stretches back before then as well. And the path of the truth seeker or the mystic, or the inquiring individual however philosophical and articulate you want to be with language somebody who's just looking around truthfully in the world one of the first things you realize is that the empire sets itself against the individual. And so, the only way to fit in is to stop being an individual So that's what the empire... That's what human culture from the mainstream is trying to propose to us all of time Don't be an individual Be a member of a collective and just fit in

14:41 So, one of the earliest things that happens is and you know in our lifetimes we can trace this back to our parents probably in their 50s and 60s. Is that from time to time there's a resurgence where individuals say hang on a second no! No! We're going to be individuals and we're gonna represent that through essentially our arts, human art not mainstream nonsense culture. Not Justin Bieber and Kylie Minogue but real music real painting real literature Real Arts you know dangerous perilous destructive hazardous beautiful romantic arts real art from real people and that burst through

15:28 in the last sort of 50-60 years again. And it's now come to a peak where it is quite hard to put a lid on it and so, its quite unique time now In that most people have cottoned onto the idea that mainstream culture is a load of nonsense and they've started to generate their own subcultures and one of those subcultures is what we call the alternative community, alternative thinking whatever spirituality you know people say new age esoteric occult mystical whatever but an alternative way of thinking about the world

16:10 and lots of subcultures know in their hearts whatever your thing is, whether it's music or art or this or that we feel that there is something important going on which is being kept from us. And as I say my proposition to you and your audience is that its been that way for many thousands of years and this the first time They're really struggling to put a lid on it. So that's the so-called waking up, but it just starts off as a feeling I think amongst people Well that's interesting about the the waking up aspect or keeping a lid on an aspect because a lot of people talk about from an astrological perspective Or a positioning in the universe perspective or energy fields or whatever you know whatever you want to use to describe it and

17:02 It's part of a natural process, like the changing of the seasons where human consciousness raises to a level of awareness on a bigger scale. Do you think that has anything to do with this? Yeah I do! I think that our sort-of spiritual ancestors who have taken the time to think about this only in the same manner that we're doing now. But people who did this 500, 5000 years ago or whatever they said yeah there do indeed appear to be cycles and you know our Indian chums call them yuga cycles some of our mystical friends call them galactic cycles which is kind of like the chosen preferred terminology at the moment these huge galactic cycles where

17:52 were exposed to different parts of the galaxy, different stars, different radiation and that has a physical molecular emotional psychological effect on everything all life in those systems. And you could say that maybe it's just a piece of natural science where as the spiral arms kind of rotate and pivot through space that has an effect on the life and sometimes it's sleeping, and sometimes it is very vibrant and very awake. And very vivid in its color and expression. You could say we would tend to associate darkness and control with periods of sleeping, periods of numbness. We would associate awakening and freedom

18:46 and truth with periods of light, and maybe those things are very well known. And it does cycle through this stuff over again but every time a cycle happens the whole system gets slightly upgraded. So it's not just like its light and dark, light and dark and no one ever goes anywhere Every time we go through a cycle there is a little incremental iteration upgrade you know like version 1.1, 1.2, 1.3 And then every now and again you get a big version upgrade right? Version 2! Version 2.0 wow its a big

19:25 new upgrade with a new interface and new stuff and faster, stronger and sexier. And I think that's where we're coming to now because the individual can no longer really if they choose be suppressed whereas only 100 years ago your family in my family were just squashed into the ground and did what they were told That doesn't really happen anymore unless you want it. So unless you consent to your own slavery You don't need to do that anymore if you're lucky if you look and you live in America or Europe or Britain? Or whatever, if you've got a couple of dollars in your pocket And you can drive a car and you've got reasonable interpersonal skills. She can sort of do whatever you want now so the the control

20:13 level has shifted from physical, which it has been for a very long time to psychological. So it now preys on the unthinking man on the lazy man and the weak man and so part of the journey of awakening is coming into your sovereignty into the idea that well you are your own boss we are each our own boss one of the key factors that detaches you from control is to assume that attitude not in, you know being massively too big for your own boots or arrogant or anything. In the same way that if we use a popular culture reference like a Jedi would be master of himself Yeah? And in very humble powerful quiet balanced manner and the Jedi being based on many

21:07 spiritual martial artists of Europe as we would call it now. Real people, real times, real druidic warriors at the time You have to become master yourself you become master everything about you achieve self mastery and everything you have, then nobody can touch you really. And that is the natural path of the human. That's what everybody is in a sense all beings with a human soul are destined for that. So the worst thing really conspiratorial and control elements can do is just delay that process. And they might delay it for a few millennia, you know it can be pretty horrendous but it can never truly be stopped unless we agree to it and now people are withdrawing that agreement withdrawing that consent saying You know what? I think I'm gonna go my own way actually thanks a lot But I'm gonna go my own way Yeah

22:08 It seems to me that as you put it, the new systems upgrade we've gotten with social media and the internet connectivity and quality of access to information that were experiencing with these newest reality patches. That we have been most recently adapted too. It seems like freedom of expression is a lot more pronounced now there's less There's less of a need to pay attention to the authority figure. It seems like people are more content spending time on their own phones than paying attention to what the king or queen or nobles are doing, and so there is a bit of change just in people being more open and enjoying their own voice and entertaining other peoples ideas as well

22:55 Yeah, I think once you get into the kind of vibe of generating your own culture and your own media and your own philosophy. You sort of come very quickly as a young man or woman to the conclusion that you think...you know, I can do this! My arts, my philosophy, my perspective is just as good as anybody else's And i don't have to be an academic or government sponsored, or university professor to do this and in fact perhaps it's an impediment and a handicap to have those things. Perhaps it is better to develop my own learning and my own discernment and my own scholarly attitude and my own study you know? And I think its little bit like when I was kid when mums and dads had children

23:51 you send them to school. You don't even think twice about it, you send them to school that's what you do nowadays that's different particularly in the states and across the states east coast and west coast We have homeschooling, which is very good. But we have something even more interesting to me which is unschooling where the kid is not given any syllabus at all and they're completely self-directed and sometimes there's a pattern with that which for the first year they just mess around all year and they just play on their Xbox like solidly for 12 months

24:28 and drink Coca-Cola, eat Doritos and just do whatever the hell they want. And then after a year they think that's not actually that interesting I'm kind of bored maybe there are interesting things in the world and then suddenly out their own volition they get into like chemistry and botany exploration survivalism natural history and all these fantastic, wonderful amazing things about the planet. And then they study to a degree and with a passion that is never ever seen in school ever because it's completely driven by the appetite of the individual so why bother? You know there's no need if you don't want to do some... If your gonna do it make sure its something you actually care about

25:20 And then you can go into it, as I say to such a depth that you become very quickly expert in your field. are to uneducate the young people, which is what high schools and colleges and universities are explicitly for. That's what they're for! They prepare people for the workplace by de-educating them that's what they do so choose to educate ourselves freely with the information at our fingertips now is a massively radical thing to do very exciting

26:01 Yeah, it really is and that's well said. But I think this is kind of the area that myself and a lot of the audience has kinda stuck in because we've been plugged into this shitty system and its tricked us for awhile but now were open minded, were clued-in but within our daily lives we're still victims of the consumer construct, victims of economic slavery Are you? Are you? Are you victims? Am I projecting? Maybe I'm projecting Well if you're a victim, then you're a victim. If you're not a victim then you're not a victim it's largely an attitude like many men who have been locked up and incarcerated for years with no hope of parole or release whether its through their own

26:48 badness or through some, you know aberration of law. If you're locked up in a little room for 25 years very quickly you learn that the first freedom is mental freedom is your attitude and that is number one That is the very very very first thing that you learn and so that ties back into this point I made earlier of sovereignty which is that our families, our parents and their parents and grandparents and great-grandparents are so ingrained with the idea of class economic class blood class you know subservience dominance power wealth aristocracy that is so ingrained into the blood of our families That we...you might say at a very first generation

27:45 certainly mine is, who come along and say well yeah whatever I don't really classify myself based on my genetic heritage nor do i evaluate myself based on my economic situation therefore that immediately releases me from lots of systems and if you then take that to the next level and understand that you're not a subject of any monarch. That's a fiction And if you're in a republic, a constitutional republic say like this. You are also not a citizen nobody here is a citizen If you're free human sovereign being you are not a citizen that's a fiction So if you don't think about these things and you fall into the idea that I am working class American citizen then you are a victim because your place yourself in victimhood

28:43 to see the truth of it, to investigate what does it mean to be a citizen and not to be a citizen? What is a society? What does that actually legally constitute in our culture. And when you examine that and begin to deconstruct it the very notion of victimhood begins to evaporate but most people don't want to do that they would rather do as they're told. Most people enjoy doing as they're told by somebody else, they would rather have Rand Paul who seems like a reasonably nice human being to me run everything for them and tell him what to do so they looking for the best master

29:26 to give that power to. I mean, I know what you're saying and I do agree with you that a lot of people are like that but myself? I'm torn up about it! Teachers like yourself say this 3D construct of consensus reality isn't real but when I consider telling my boss to fuck off and rinse-do in three days it feels really fucking real to me! How can prove to myself that it isn't?! You know, well you'll never hear me say that it isn't real. This is real right? That's the victimization I'm talking about! I don't like it but I'm stuck Well are you stuck? I'd ask that question again...you feel stuck right? That's a big massive difference How can I convince myself that I'm not how can I prove it to myself Don't try and prove anything and don't try and convince yourself just Try to understand the truth of it And the truth of it

30:18 that there are many realities that overlap each other and this third density one which is about very physical hard moral ethical lessons is a Training ground an assault course That you are in the middle of and you are not meant to escape from it right now You are meant to master it in yourself for your own purposes For your own purposes. So let us say before you went through the magical Tunnel into your mother's womb and into this universe. You said right? I want to go somewhere where I'll get my Spiritual vessel so tight and so strong, I'll be like Bruce Lee right? I'll be so awesome I'll just be this powerhouse of cleanliness and truth a natural human being right

31:13 and somebody taps you on the shoulder and says, well you know what there's this crazy planet called Earth right? And right now it's in the throes of darkness but it's just cracking open. The polarity on that planet of righteousness and wrong, of empowerment and of subservience is at a all-time peak You know, there are some phenomenally excellent things going on. And also some excruciating sorrow is also going on at the same time and so this is The Spiritual Assault Course that is a piece of theater right? and if you are enmeshed only in the theater it feels like you're trapped! So The Path Of The Mystic... This is a sacred and wonderful thing

32:08 is to see that, that is not true. That you are not trapped in the theatre only your mind... ...is trapped here because of its coarseness and so there's a refinement that can be brought to mind rather like refining an ore to provide a precious metal where once you've understood that process and once you begin that unfoldment it attaches you to your TRUE position of consciousness, which is not here. You are projected here in the same way that you're projected into World of Warcraft or Oblivion, a computer game where you just like a little avatar This is your avatar this is trapped here because you've chosen to be here but you were not here and so part of the discovery of The Mystic is to locate your true seat which is

33:07 different dimensional space that is no more or less natural than this. It's just a different order of nature, different kingdom within this kingdom and to get there you need to purify your mind which is the whole endeavor of The Mystic is to do that one thing, to purify the mind to an extent where it locates the higher self and begins to withdraw its consent to its own bondage Man, those are powerful and inspirational ideas. But I still have such a hard time with the concept that our minds are truly the creators of reality. You hear that so much like... Well, I don't think that! You don't think that? No, I do not think that no. So what happens when we step outside of the construct because is it not a product of our own mental prison? No, I think the construct is an idea

34:07 and it's a very powerful idea. And if you don't have your own ideas, which as you know walk down the street your regular sports fan or whatever not characterizing him too well there but you know what I mean? The average guy beer and baseball he doesn't even know what a construct is so he's gonna take mainstream culture as the way it is right that isn't agreement So its more instructive if I may say to consider Not that the mind generates reality, but the mind interfaces with the reality as an agreement. It's like a contract Like you show up and I say sign here And you just don't even think about it You just sign it, you know like people do and what I'm saying is well hang on a minute read The small print because there are alternatives and if you withdraw from that agreement you can start to generate your own

35:03 version of reality and start to perceive it as it is because when we look out here, we're seeing not reality but a construct someone else's idea of reality. And to reconfigure that takes time and takes effort and takes this path of discipline and discernment. There are all kinds of things you can do physically mentally emotionally to correct that perception. So it's not that this isn't real and this is being made in error, its that this has been upheld because we don't realize there are alternatives.

35:43 Well, you know getting closer to that idea of getting closer to the seat of our consciousness. The multi-dimensional space where our true being really is and the closest I feel like I've ever had to that realization was on Salvia which I talk about my experience with Salvia on the show when it's relevant, and it's really refreshing to have heard someone like yourself give a bit of credit to that plan because... Yeah. ...it's responsible for my most intense experiences and I don't hear a lot of people giving it credit, and I think it's a misconception that maybe stems from its legal status in a lot of places but you know that's overlapping realities and communication with beings and feeling like I was not a human being was definitely something that drove me to feel

36:31 Yeah, it's quite difficult to argue against the idea that these plants... these psychotropic plants can greatly assist us in reconfiguring our perceptions. They do! That's what in my view they're for. They just say right if you need a little assistance If you need some real pure juju because you so you know, lost in the matrix. No problem! That happens a lot on Earth don't worry about it but go into this natural space consume this vine or this cactus or this mushroom or this sage plant and when it's put together in a certain way and when its imbibed in a certain way It will show you what IT sees It will say look...this is how I see it very different

37:23 And when you see it from my perspective, you will also gain a different perspective. Not only on the world at large but also yourself You won't just feel like well I'm a homosapien monkey man That's me that's what i'm doing and i'm trapped in this nightmare world No! That is total fiction It's a mental construct that you are agreeing to and maintaining with ignorance So the plant in its wisdom...and its wisdom is based on age No more, it's based on age that its resonance as an entity here is very old. So they're like these little wizard plants sat there just laughing at us really thinking Jesus you know wake up will ya? What's wrong with these guys because our consciousness is very fragmented few of us get the chance to carry over from one incarnation to the next so The wisest people on earth are walking around with just a hundred years of knowledge at best which is puny

38:21 Whereas the plants don't do that because they don't require an individual soul. They share their knowledge as an unbroken chain, and unbroken chronology of awareness on enlightenment and wisdom and awakening a natural truth about what's going on so they say just you jack into this line plug into what this is it's just a chemical it's all it is completely natural look at it and I'll show you something... And now when you've seen it, you won't be able to forget that and it will have a subtle but potent effect on how you see things. And you'll realize that this solid massive machine this clockwork that you call reality is not very solid at all not very solid at all and in fact the only thing that holds it together

39:12 is people's conscious agreement. And if we want to change this, all we have to do is stop agreeing to it. Now that doesn't mean you tell your boss go to hell and you stop paying your rent and get into debt and start shooting people on the streets... We're not talking about that because there's a purpose for animal nature which is what we are enmeshed in at the moment One of the purposes of it is to learn high conduct to learn that morality and ethics and principles and discipline is the bedrock, the foundation of spiritual growth. So the point isn't to get out and escape it's to use this place as the very instrument itself for transformation To say you are in the shit hottest university in the whole galaxy This is it! Don't waste your time here by saying oh this sucks I want to go home

40:10 this is rubbish, it's so dark and horrible. Well it is because that's the part of it that you've chosen to come into because its zenith, its apex of strangeness which for the vulnerable and sensitive mind which all clever people have in them can be very wearisome and very agonizing at times but if you begin to shift your attitude and develop this independent spirit, this warrior spirit. As I say like the martial artist Ueshiba you know the little wise old man a little tiny guy with a white wispy beard throwing these huge six foot guys around

40:53 It's his attitude and his understanding of truth that gives him that power. Not his muscles, not some magical force but is attitude to existence To knowing the existence is basically cycles moving around one another and that it is in itself entirely neutral And most of the bad things that happen in this earth realm at the moment and its temporary will soon change But right now they are a result of our disownment of our own being to say well I don't care, i'll just come to earth make apple pie watch television go to the office and just sort of do the best account and then die. Well that's how everybody starts off but if you continue to do that and seven billion of us continue to do that we end up with

41:46 Barack Obama and George Bush and David Cameron and Angela Merkel and chemtrails and harp. And you know all this stupidity, that's what you end up with when you don't grasp your own determined life Well you talk about, I found really fascinating the idea that planets contain a certain point of view or perspective that we don't normally consult with and then when you do imbibe with them and commune with them You become blended with their consciousness Yes And this is so adverse to

42:26 our whole system of human knowledge and what we've built up as expertise in truth and physics, and the ideas that we hold about the world being material even. We have very concrete ideas. We really believe what we believe is true... That's the constructs science and physics and chemistry As we understand it in college and university that's the construct It's not fake but its only one angle on the subject, like we're stood on a wheel and one degree number 27 let's say that they say that's the whole world the twenty-seventh degree looking at it from here. That's it there are no others and I walk around in circles saying well listen I believe that there are 379... 359 others There are many degrees many ways of looking at this thing many perspectives and many angles

43:24 But it's so precarious science that I think people are starting to cotton on to that and starting not take it quite so seriously. Unfortunately, in every field of human knowledge you always get mavericks and bastards happily who just never listen to anybody and do their own thing and forge ahead go crazy and say, you know what? Everything that we knew for the last 200 years. The whole Newtonian-Cartesian idea whilst it's given us a tremendous foundational understanding is actually incorrect doesn't actually work like that

44:05 It's something else. And even Einstein admitted towards the end of his life that he said, I've got a funny feeling that a lot of this stuff is nonsense but it's the best we know at the moment and you know damnit its well articulated its well illustrated You do better and nobody could so thats the best we have we're starting to understand that consciousness isn't this epiphenomenal little puke that comes with your brain. It's actually something that is flowing all the time throughout the system and all we do is open up a little porthole in our head and let it flow through, in one ear and out the other. And depending on the quality of that vessel determines your experience of consciousness so if your vessel is completely passive

44:53 all you will do is share in the dream of other people. Whereas when you start to engage and make that active, and think hang on a second maybe I am okay to create some things. And to think differently, and so ask questions that upset people. An even make myself feel uncomfortable when you do that the consciousness comes in one ear You change it! Then it goes out of the other ear differently for you and everybody else So the more engaged you are the more that happens. But one of the fail-safes is if you're sloppy and ill disciplined and unethical, and immoral... You won't make any differences because those things don't work without those foundational materials So one way of assuring that the individual's muscles if you like intellectual and psychological muscles are of a certain aptitude Is to put them on earth because you can't do earth

45:56 very well unless you start to develop your own code of conduct. Do you know what I mean? You soon realize that it's not the Bible, it's not the law books It's not the Tao Te Ching, it's not this, it's not that, it's not Neil Cramer and its what YOU do yourself! And you start to formulate your own code Your own code of conduct as a man A man of honor and power on the planet And that built into that is humility and intellect, creativity peace destruction creation everything. And that starts to have an effect on how you change the world around you So as you do that when you want to change your circumstances change your girlfriend, change your bank balance Change your clothes and music where you live what food you eat who you spend time with

46:50 that starts to fall into place with your own growth. And as I've said many times, when the universe, the ecology of life around us sees that you are taking yourself seriously, bettering yourself becoming a truer being it helps you and it starts to throw your synchronistic breaks and it starts to give you gifts and it starts to just give you a bit of helping hand really say hey you're not alone on this Because the universe is doing the same thing we are it's trying to refine. It's a work in progress, it's not finished thing It's continually refining and with part of that refinement And when you get that suddenly life starts to be less You know this clunky cause-and-effect thing and be something much more coherent and synchronistic and magical

47:42 I mean it sounds great. I love listening to you talk about it, this kind of gets into the idea of the life path Do you think what your describing is generally everybody's life path or do we have one that individualized and how do we realize it? How do get on track if were completely out of the ballpark Well, you could say that if you don't do anything... ...you will assume the default pattern which is you'll do what your family did. Right! You'll do it differently, wear different clothes listen to different music but by and large you will just repeat what your family did for generations so that the default pattern is repeats So until you stop and think hang on a second wait a minute reality is choice how you do this as a choice until you do that

48:34 you will just repeat the old pattern. And when you do that, you then move into a very sacred stage like... I don't want to use too flowery language but it's kind of like a pilgrimage where instead of moving in the world of commerce, you're not! You're moving in a world of knowledge and then instead of behaving for your advantage, you don't do that anymore you behave in a way that is conducive to your own clarity. So it's a massive shift there, to say I don't want to be a human being who is just a commercial unit engaged in mercantile behavior of buying and selling products and services That isn't a natural planet! That's the planet that has gone wrong And that's where we are at the moment which is kind of funny and bizarre so to come in at this point

49:30 like I say, at the peak of bizarreness provides what i would consider as quite an unprecedented opportunity for growth to accelerate growth so quickly that you won't know what day it is. Something else you talked about in the guerrilla psychonautics presentation was you talked about the brain as filtering system and you go through a couple levels of various limitations. Control system containment, which is what

50:07 shining a light on the conspiracy space helps us overcome, or sensory containment which is where psychedelics help us have experiences beyond our senses. But that last level is dimensional containment which seems to be just beyond my realm of understanding can you help me break down that last level? Well yeah I mean there's a reason it's the last level because its one of the sort of big attainments so as she say if you go through The first one is social deconditioning, which is to remove yourself from the culture. You can go back in it if you want to but remove yourself from the cultural frequency and then mainstream education then control system conditioning like... It's your duty to vote! You are a citizen! You live in the best country in the world! Vote democrat or republican that nonsense obviously has to go. Sensorial containment ie the ancient

51:05 idea that the five sense world is a fiction, which it is. There's no such thing as a tree there's no such thing as a glass of water there's no such thing as red or orange or blue those are human constructs those are ideas right? That the brain puts together and that's a classical Maya study of wisdom to say this illusory layer which has a reality but isn't IT It's a representation something And then when you get to that point and you're starting to interface at that level, and it requires discipline. We can't just keep popping our DMT capsules or whatever because if... You become overly reliant on it like if you were taking 10 Advil every day, you're gonna weaken a part of your body so you have to understand that its medicinal as I often say not dietary no! But when you start to get the trick of it to see yeah this sensory stuff is

52:01 Just one way of doing it. It's not the way of doing it and it's no, it's certainly not the thing in itself So representation of it you think well what is the thing in itself then when we see a tree? What are we seeing when we say well that's red that red T-shirt or that red sofa? What what is it? What is read then say right Well those emanations are the result of something else That isn't here They are the result of an energetic emanation from a different dimensional space, a different density. So what happens in the 3D world is the result of what's being generated in another place altogether and that is the journey of The Mystic to say I think I'd like to go and have a look at that place

52:51 English and German and French mystical literature is replete with people who go on journeys to that place, to that shore. To those far shores And we would call it the fifth dimension or the fourth dimension Or you know The Astral Realm or Galactic Core or this or that whatever but there is Certainly a lot of juice and a lot of data if you look with the highest discernment hand on heart pause all your belief systems and just feel it that everything that occurs here is The result of something else. So these are the ripples on the pond from a stone That was thrown far far far away

53:39 And so we're looking at very, very distant echoes and interference patterns and reflections here which have reality. They have a purpose they're not meaningless they're not without value they are very valuable or we wouldn't have them nature doesn't waste time and effort and energy ever So they have a value but as you come to that...as you say that dimensional containment you realize that it's only your mind that contains you here. You cannot be contained here because you're not here! You are not here and that discovery is a singular point on the path where once you've had it, it changes your life

54:21 So, a lot of groundwork needs to be put in place until that moment arrives. Powerful! Well Neil I think we've touched the bottom of the rabbit hole man my brain has been turned to mush and my mind thoroughly blown any final tips for bettering our attitude or hiring our consciousness? Yeah balance is very important if you're going to destroy your concept make sure you create And if you're going to upset the apple cart by really changing the way you used to think about something, make sure that is balanced with understanding the beauty of another system. So if you're gonna understand that government isn't your friend find out who are your friends? If you're gonna find out that Facebook and Twitter don't make us any better off find out what technology does make us better off

55:16 So that balance point is very essential, because if we always seek the balance from an external source or a book or an individual or a religion will always be wrong-footed. So we have to be very careful, like the martial artists. Like the dancer. Like the trapeze artist or whatever. The tightrope walker. To say right once I've got balance I can walk across the Grand Canyon on Niagara Falls no problem once I've got that point of balance and that again is having faith in your own judgment Very simple but very powerful Yeah

55:55 Hey, amen man. I really appreciate the time we've spent it's been excellent you're a great guest I love your willingness to explore the strange universe We were in do you want to tell people where they can keep up with you and maybe where they can get ahold of your book? Yeah sure thank you neilkramer.com is my website and you can kind of see everything there. There's interviews, essays, downloads, audiobooks... You can buy my book The Unfoldment if you enjoy what I've had to say. You can get it at Amazon and Barnes & Noble and loads of regular bookstores and online bookstore so please take a look at that! I think you'll enjoy it It's very much written from the heart, it's very uplifting

56:40 It's very supportive of human growth. It is not despondent, it is not fantasy. It is very real and very true. So yeah neilkramer.com Excellent man! Well keep doing what you do and hopefully we can talk again thanks Neil Yeah I appreciate it thanks a lot Alright man enjoy your day Yeah you too bye bye Wow those deep Esoteric concepts always start to make sense in a conversation like that and then I snap back to 9-5 reality and get caught up in what I have to do, when I have to be at work. And then it's all just concepts and ideas you know? I don't feel like its helping anything Well I feel like it is all about your outlook. That's very important point that Neil was making You've noted on other episodes how you had negative outlook, you gotta work on your outlook

57:34 But what can you do? Yeah, I mean i'm trying to be honest about it but I sound like I have the development of a fucking five-year old. Well, Ram Dass I was just reading something he wrote or something he was actually talking about in a lecture which has to do with acceptance. And this is what a lot of people have a very difficult time with you know we're so used to polarity and were still used to defining what sucks in our life and what we enjoy and oh I'm doing this thing that I hate doing in order to enjoy in the future We play these time games with ourselves where it's a hide and seek, oh now I'm in a terrible circumstance. Oh now I am in a great circumstance but I have to go back to work tomorrow

58:19 Ram Dass is saying essentially with acceptance you have to begin to see all things that happen to you in your life as opportunities for you to make free choices. So, you see all of your obstacles as grace whether they're good or bad. You begin to accept them that this is what's happening regardless, it's beyond your control you're not the victim of it but you are participating with it and you were still able to make choices even in the most difficult circumstance. And that's kind of the best we can hope for as there's never going to be a perfect utopian state In my opinion always difficult choices amidst incomplete information

59:06 Yeah, and I know you and I talk about the savior construct a lot when we read various deep-level conspiracy material. And sometimes I think this quote-unquote time of awakening is a thread in that same idea, that same construct. Like oh well don't worry because this is the time of awakening you're waking up man we're all waking up and I love the idea of it but I wonder if it's not just again waiting for something that will never come or maybe this age of awakening is a 5,000 year process and i'm going to be alive for the first 0.001 percent of it you know which means nothing to me

59:54 A lot of people divide it up, it's either a utopia that we actually have to fight for in a political sense or truth sense or just honestly state what we want the world to be for it change and direction. We have to define what is wrong and then thus define what we want instead and thats kind of this utopian idea how can change things there's other idea which is called a millenarian And you just think that at a certain galactic point in time, the trigger clicks and as you put it in the interview now its a new season. It's beyond anybody's control. It just shifts over and now we're in a new upgrade

1:00:33 Well, that is the ultimate panacea. That's the ultimate thing to make the opiate of the masses in order to make them not politically active is to say that oh yeah don't worry we're all waking up whether we are on the streets screaming at the banks or not That's a nice little diversion to just, and I know plenty of goddamn new age people that I meet. They all say the same kind of things and are love and light and everything is great and don't ever focus on the negative. Don't focus on the negative in your life. And some people will say well you know the negatives right here? But they'll say but i'm looking over here! You may be looking over here but the negative is still right here with us

1:01:18 So I don't know this whole thing about whether you should focus on it or ignore it, or whether you should wait for change to happen. Or whether you should be an active agent of your own change? Right! I think that you have to be an active agent because what's the difference between passively accepting the negative with a veil of positive attitude and someone who is dense as fuck and hasn't woken up at all to anything?! What's the difference? It's letting yourself be victimized versus being ignorant to the victimization. But to the elites or anyone who is a head of a corporation, they could give a fuck if you're going to play ball! Just play ball—I don't give a fuck what you think!"

1:02:03 Yeah, they will allow us these delusions. Whatever delusions we want to be. And it's not like they're in control you know? I say they will allow us... Let's really examine this statement as Neil said it's a bit of fiction that there are actually authorities there are authorities. There's people who portray authorities, that wear the mask they wear the expertise they have the degrees the things on the wall or the uniform of the badges whatever it takes they are more accredited than you but when it comes down to it is still you chooses what you think and what you believe and are you gonna go around following everybody else in trying to be the best other person

1:02:43 Or are you gonna, like Neil said try to develop your own philosophy of being and maybe it makes you a complete individual and nobody accepts you. And you wander from group-to-group and just feel like I don't really fit in here but that's the path that's the difficult path you have to be a warrior or forget what else he said Druid or Jedi in order to... A mystic That's what you know the Jedi in the original trilogy mystics. They're living off on the edge of society You don't really know what their magic or weaponry is and then in the prequels they're police officers What the fuck happens? That's true yeah, that's a big part of why the prequel suck is there's just too many of them and None of them seem to be enlightened beings I

1:03:35 No, they're just following orders. They go to a council meeting you know the guys behind the scenes decide what the galactic peacekeeping force is gonna Go do next it's a farce Goddamn joke that's not what a Jedi is and now that Disney's in charge of the next three movies I mean I can only imagine that the Subtext the subliminal messaging will be at an all-time high which will be great to dissect but it always is If you like Star Wars, it kind of sucks. Well... Neo is more of a Jedi than the freaking Jedis in the prequels were. Good point!

1:04:18 But Neo, it's also in that fight scene you know the most probably most famous scene of The Original Matrix is this fight scene sequence where Neo first gets like picked up by the crew and he's with Morpheus. And Morpheus saying some of the most iconic quotes such as You think thats air your breathing? Or you think that your body's limitations have anything to do with your strength or speed here That's everything that Neil was talking about in terms of your perspective, your point of view determines you know your course in life much more than this kind of reality that we believe. We tend to believe all were the victims would get kicked around by our circumstance but really that's a mindset as well yeah I mean that's what i meant by manifesting your own reality which he said he doesn't believe

1:05:15 To me that's what you're describing is that. Choosing your path... There is a difference between this kind of crap they peddle and the secret which is you just visualize, use visualization magic and you literally manifest like you really bring into being by some conjuring. You know? You bring matter into being! That's kinda ridiculous but His a little bit different than that just say you can change your you can alter your reality just by Loosening up a little bit like trying to be more lucid like trying to treat it more like a waking dream Trying to make choices that your own conditioning way prevent you from doing in order To just kind of like explore your own self and explore the nature of reality. Yeah, be you know Be active instead of just a passive

1:06:08 object that things happen to instead go out there and make things happen. You got to be an active agent, and I you know I want to apologize to science. I'm going take a brief second to say it always seems like i'm dogging on science. I have friends who whenever I say something about science they get very upset their feathers are flustered by this and its not that there's anything wrong with science? Science is actually I think the great mystical vehicle of you know rigor and ritual and objectivity and noting results. I think that is like the path, I think that is the path towards truth and information it's fucking great! The problem is when religions

1:06:54 or when science becomes of itself its own religion and we become really convinced of these concrete ideas up the past and as we know science is always changing that's the best part of science. Is that it allows for itself to change as it comes in new discoveries but these scientists who become academics, become career academics, become... It's all about expertise and memorization facts well facts are dead pieces of Those are paths that have already been carved, but truth is this uncarved living thing that we're all coming to new truths. All science was discovered by individuals who delved into their own individual new truths and scientists of their day probably thought who's this asshole? You know Carl Jung he thinks he knows what's going on about psychiatry and this guy's a lunatic

1:07:48 But in the future, you know then Carl Jung becomes seen as a visionary so anything that's offensive to science as The structure that's just accumulation of all human knowledge as relics from the past They get offended by new ideas all the time. That kind of science is not his phony science Yeah I like the science that can change is rigorous really tries to face the truth of our being and And I think like Neil uses some language that is as effective as he can use for describing the ridiculous nature of the reality we're in. Nobody really knows the real answers, but we can try to say it as succinctly as we can We can try to express what we've come to understand is our own personal truth Yeah, science should be thought of more a tool for discovery not definition of our reality

1:08:46 I mean that's kind of what the dogmatic scientist would have you believe is that if we don't understand it with science by now then its must be bullshit. It's just people having wishful thoughts Yeah, that's the condescending science that I'm not a big fan of You gotta leave room for the unknowable It's not only that we've accumulated a lot of knowledge about the natural world, we can make very good predictions now much better than in the past. Yes that is true but there are also things we cannot know and never get to it underneath at all. We can't define our own axioms if you remember the Kurt Gödel theorem we talked about many episodes ago? Yeah James Stein I think, the paranormal equation. Boom! That's a memory for ya.

1:09:37 We are never going to be able to know everything and I feel like some scientists, yeah they do this dismissive thing where they think what we know up until this point that is the total accumulation of all knowledge and anything else it's just wishful thinking. Well said man well you know thanks for being here dawg were gonna wrap this thing up. I always enjoy you taking the time your a THC staple and im glad your apart of this crazy stupid show Well, I appreciate the opportunity as always. You put me on with these great guys really blows my mind opens me up makes me want to read more you know i got really depressed recently and I just thought afterwards why didn't somebody just tell me to fucking just read? Just why don't you go read instead of whining about shit Why don't you read something and then you'll have some more interesting ideas and you'll become you know more interested in life rather than just complaining about your circumstance

1:10:33 So good tip. Thank you for having me be on the show it causes me to read more of course man, so there It is people I appreciate you listening Please remember that you can leave me a voicemail on Skype at higher side chats or by mp3 To my email at the hireside chats at gmail.com if I get interesting ones I will edit them into transitions and it'll be more of a community type thing so Anyway, you know about my t-shirts. You know about my desire for donations and to have you share the show and review it where you can so let's manifest that into reality And I'll see you next week your move Bilderbergs I'm a man in the workshop won't stop luxury to the rich in need evening and night

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