THC 68: Jay Weidner | Stanley Kubrick & The Archon Conspiracy

00:04 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed a nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times but we're far from 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration We offer a fresh conversation! How's it going Ironside Chatters? Drinking a little drink, smoking a little smoke. From San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood and today we're gonna go deeper than deep with Jay Widener scholar of Gnostic texts and alchemical traditions maker of films such as Kubrick's Odyssey in Timewave 2013 and exposor of the ugly truth about the Crypto-Terrestrials aka the Archons aka The Global Elite in their final form

00:59 But also back in the saddle today is my occasional co-pilot Adam Goritely hot on the heels of a psychedelic symphony of high weirdness at the first annual ParanoiaCon and our first real world meet and greet. Always a pleasure to have him along for the ride, Adam man how you holding up? Good dude, man. You got a lot of energy this morning. I'm just having my second cup of coffee here Yeah, man it's it's tough but you know that's It helps the show go along. I mean yeah, it was great to see you in San Diego Man um a lot of other bonafide pimps were there Did you have pretty good time? Yeah, it was a blast enjoyed it there at

01:36 What was that place, Cafe Soboka or Bakka? I always say that little Russian restaurant. Really liked the scene there it was fun kind of a small intimate venue, but yeah got to interact with some of the other conspiracy type researchers and people there at the event so it was fun. Yeah man your set was pretty great it was nice to have a rockadelic interlude to a series of two hour talks I mean as fascinating as they were you know it was good to jazz it up a little bit? Good yeah that helps break it up a bit and yeah I had fun time playing the set with my buddy Joe so uh, he was cool. He was a cool guy too! While we're hitting on Thane's Paranoia you have a pretty awesome article in the new issue of Paranoia Magazine covers two of my favorite subjects conspiracy and comedians and its titled appropriately The Dead Comedian Conspiracy It's something rarely talked about but

02:39 That's how I got into conspiracy topics from the work of Bill Hicks and George Carlin. And it's funny because you hear about government agencies keeping a close eye on various musicians and musical acts in the 60s and 70s, but never comedians who are just as capable of rattling cages and being just as influential which is a real problem for the establishment, ya know? Yeah! The deeper i looked into it, ya know...the more it seemed curious all the deaths of these different uh comedians who were in a sense, you know, comedians or philosophers or social activists. They're the fly in the ointment and starting with Lenny Bruce he his death was curious and he was definitely a target of the government and the fuzz back in the day And then you look at other people like Freddie Prince He was into a lot of political stuff on and on

03:33 You know, they all fit the profile. You mentioned Bill Hicks and the list goes on there's many more that seem to die at curiously...at curious times in their careers right as they were getting ready to be catapulted to greater stardom and have a wider audience Yeah, another interesting part of that article I thought was that this guy the certain coroner he had been the man to perform a bunch of suspicious and high-profile autopsies back in the day. I think Marilyn Monroe Robert Kennedy and where it comes into your article is John Belushi whose death I always thought was a pretty cut-and-dried drug overdose but it originally was reported as natural causes which is pretty highly suspicious right?

04:22 Yeah, this is Thomas Noguchi you're talking about who was the coroner in LA for holy smokes something like 30 years. He handled all those high profile autopsies that you mentioned there All of them that seemed, or people suggest have conspiracies swirling around them. Noguchi was modeled after the character in the television show with... Oh God it escapes me now. Oh crap! With Jack Clugman as The Coroner? What the hell is that called? That was way before your time. Yeah man I'm lost. Yeah I had a little brain fart there but people know who i am talking about

05:09 who go back to those days. But yeah, the Belushi one was real curious I first heard about from Another comedian, social activist Dick Gregory who's been knee-deep into all this conspiracy stuff for years and years. He claimed that Belushi around the time of his death was looking at into some other mysterious Hollywood deaths in particular Natalie Wood and William Holden. And Gregory suggests that Belushi had information that William Holden

05:46 was friends with uh... ronald reagan in fact he was uh... the best man at reagan's wedding this week during the reagan administration holding had uh... information about the reagan white house that uh... is shared with uh... natalie would robert regner wagner and that bunch of what robert wagner wasn't a show called heart to heart with stephanie powers and stephanie powers was uh... William Holden's main squeeze all these people were connecting of course Natalie would died of a pretty suspicious death which It's been revived in the news recently as well. I guess yeah Gregory claimed that Yeah, got a cat here. I got to kick out of the room it starts doing that dude. I got the same thing hang on just a sec Damn they're worse than kids but

06:41 And so yeah, Gregory... Dick Gregory contended that Belushi's supposed accidental overdose was much more than that. Yeah! He was- wasn't he supposed to meet just the night before he died? Yeah, that's uh... Dick Gregory said that he... Belushi had planned a meeting with Gregory's buddy Mark Lane. Mark Lane was the First guy to write a book critical of the Warren Report back in, ah it was the mid-60s. One of the first books and he's been very active JFK assassination researcher or conspiracy researcher. And Belushi apparently had some information on the JFK assassination or the RFK I forget which one and he was supposed to meet with Mark Lane the next day

07:39 And then once again, he had that apparent overdose at the Chateau Marmont in LA which effectively perhaps silenced him. Yeah, man. It's wild I mean things things I always thought were cut and dry are pretty crazy yeah And it was Bill Hicks who really did get me into conspiracy? I was a huge huge fan of his and also into psychedelics You know because he started talking about His use in psychedelic is kind of what brought him to these notions, and I was like yeah, I'm down Let's go down that rabbit hole but have you ever seen this uh? Conspiracy that bill hicks is actually Alex Jones

08:19 Yeah, it's a bunch of nonsense. I know it really is but the thing that offends me a little bit but he sounds a bit like Bill in intonations and what not but he certainly doesn't have the punch or sense of humor Bill Hicks had so, you know, Bill Hicks is near and dear to my heart because he had that psychedelic experience on shrooms with his buddy Kevin Booth and some others where they made contact with something or other. I have a similar thing when i was growing up that made me

09:02 Question consensus reality is psychedelic. You know Visitation with a friend of mine with some with the other whatever that was who knows yeah He's a sacred cow in my mind it would kill me I know that's a big part of the thing as they may look somewhat similar But he wouldn't become a shill like that or what? I would say Alex Jones, I mean I'm not a huge Alex Jones fan. I think he's just a fear monger and he keeps people waiting He's like a fear porn guy, you know And he's well, he comes from family money and he's making bank off his empire Right seems a bit hypocritical if you pull up I don't know if you can find him anymore on the web but he owns this huge mansion out in Texas somewhere

09:55 I mean a huge mansion that's like Citizen Kane, Citizen Hurst type of mansion. Really? Yeah! Damn...I'm gonna have to look into that. He definitely doesn't seem like his heart is in the right place there. Hey, I got on the web here this television program after Noguchi was Quincy Quincy yeah, Jack Klugman was in that I don't know before your time. I guess right on Yeah, I mean I watched a lot of shows from that era that were on Nick at night because I watched A lot of that growing up but Quincy was didn't make it on there. Yeah Like a lot of those shows it was kind of lame but based after the corner Robert Noguchi or excuse me Thomas Noguchi

10:46 Right on well before we bring Jay and I did want to ask you on the air how your book projects were coming along Oh, they're coming along nothing to speak of yet. You know I hate getting into them too deep until they actually get published the one that will see First out of these ones i'm working on is The History Of Discordianism And it's being laid out right now and working with a publisher It's pretty complex project, because there's a lot of materials letters and illustrations and different things these guys wrote who were involved in that scene back in the day. So it's getting things all put together and captions so its moving along hopefully we'll see it published later this year

11:40 Also working on a website for all these different related projects which will be Historiadiscordia.com but it's not really active yet, that's being put together and I think if you go there now you'll just bring up the page that says Finlord but things are coming Good stuff man. I'm glad you're able to stay motivated, i'm trying to get a book done but i like weed and Gordon Ramsay shows too much... It's sort of ironic mentally it's motivating but in three-dimensional reality i'm just sitting there for hours on the couch not doing shit yeah it's a strange form of self-torment

14:02 Alright, we are back people and we know there are many layers to the conspiracy onion. Many branches on the conspiracy tree And I like to dive as deep into these weird waters as a guest will allow and today is gonna be a real treat cuz Jay Widener is not afraid To throw off the floaties and take us at the bottom of the conspiratorial sea He's a real authority on hermetic and alchemical traditions hidden symbolism in both the ancient world and their more modern uses and he's a true scholar of the Gnostic texts He's written for years on these topics and produced numerous films, the one that put him on my radar being Kubrick's Odyssey, Secrets Hidden in the Films of Stanley Kubrick. Which details Jay's position that the elite commissioned Kubrick to fake the moon landing footage and it makes a pretty compelling case I must say! He is a conspiratorial jack-of-all trades and master of enlightening media...Jay thanks for being on the show

14:52 Hey, no problem. Glad to be here! paradigm changing information that you're privy to, and the things that you share about the true nature of elites, their core goal which is not only their thinly veiled matrix of global enslavement but also suppression of human potential as well as some really interesting exposure on certain secrets within our solar system.

15:28 I hope we can cover a good amount of it in just a short hour, man. Which is challenging in itself but since we're new to Jay Widener here on THC and I have a good idea what's coming down the pike myself...I'm curious as to how you came to uncover some the hidden knowledge that you have so I gotta ask ya how did you get clued-in on what's really going out there? Well that's a good question It actually started a long time ago in 1986 when I had profound shamanic experience, in which all of my personal paradigms were blasted away and shattered in an overnight experience. That made me realize that

16:12 I was pretty much wrong about everything that I had held true to that point in my life. had been taught. Then I discovered a book in the book sale called Mysteries of the Cathedrals by a man named Fulcanelli, and I took the book home and tried to read it. It was about architecture at the Gothic cathedrals that is. I realized that actually the book was about arcane subject called alchemy and me being a practical scientific kind of guy knew that there could never be anything real like alchemy so i set out to debunk this very very clever intellectually driven book and the book debunked me

17:01 Pretty soon I began realizing that science was pretty much wrong, history was a lie and everywhere as I investigated this book to refute it, instead found out that that the book by Fulcanelli was right and almost everything I had been taught in school and college, everything I read was wrong. Wrong not just wrong but devised wrong. In other words it was done on purpose. It was wrong but it was wrong on purpose. That one took me about 20 years to really get my head around why anyone would write down false stories or false histories

17:46 Of course, that led me down into the rabbit hole of a million other things. I made an agreement with myself in 1990 that if in twenty years I I could look back and say, ìNo. Iím probably not right about those conspiracies that I was looking at all those times agoî then I would just drop it and go live a normal life but if in 20 years I looked back and said no, itís even worse than what I thought then I will go full bore into it and devote my life to it

18:27 In 2006, on the 20th anniversary of my awakening I had a long talk with myself and said, ìOkay. Do I believe it more or do I believe it less?î The answer was resounding that not only did he believe it more but he knew itís true! So then since 2006, for the last seven years, pretty much everything has been true to me I'm confident that I know what I'm saying is right and going forth. I knew that Kubrick had done the moon landings way before 2006, but in 2001 he'd done it. But I didn't have the confidence until after my 20-year review for me to go forward and say that he had done it and then prove it."

19:15 So, a lot of things solidified and I'm kind of actually happy to say that The world seems to be slowly coming towards my point of view or our point of view, the awakened point of view. I actually sort of almost smell victory in the air so I don't know what to say besides that. far more intricate and far more conspiratorial than anyone can possibly imagine.

19:59 I always thought there was something cryptic about the man and his films. Eyes Wide Shut is known to be soaked in symbolism, and is a not-so subtle expose on the pastimes of the elite. And I know Adam's written a bit about him as well but Jay tell us about Kubrick and his symbolism and connections that put him in such position to make a film like Eyes Wide Shut? I first had my revelation about Mr. Kubrick was about three weeks after he died in 1999, I think it was April of 1999 when I started getting my first

20:39 I guess you could say revelatory knowledge about what he was putting into his film. got millions of hits and caused a huge amount of controversy. A lot of people wrote to me in May or June 1999 saying, ìYouíre crazy! Youíre reading too much into 2001, Space Odyssey. You donít know what youíre talking about. Kubrick wasnít into the occult. Kubrick wasnít into the elites. You don't know what you're talking about." I had to admit that my critics were actually right. I really had no evidence in any

21:24 that he was into the occult, outside of The Shining maybe. And then on July 20th or July 16th 1999 just a few months after I wrote my first article Eyes Wide Shut came out and there it was! It was like BAM! Whoa! Not only is he into the occult but he's into revealing what the elites are doing and their occult rituals And then I thought to myself, well why would he do that? And then my answer came back because maybe possibly he attended some of these rituals. And then I thought okay it does seem rather the movie itself is very autobiographical in a wide shot in that he made the set designer design Tom and Nicole Cruz's

22:16 apartment to look just like his apartment in the late 50s, in a village there in New York. So there were all these parallels that I was noticing and so then that caused me to take an even greater look at Stan Lee. In 2001, in celebration of his Great Film 2001, they released the DVD of the movie in 2001. I bought it and took it home and within the first twenty minutes watching a movie, not only did I realize that he had faked the moon landings but how he had done them with front screen projection among other things. Then I sat on it for ten years

23:03 actually until 2009 when I finally went public with my findings. So that's how I got, and what it was is Kubrick was kind of the end of a full cycle a cycle that began with Fulcinelli in 1986 and me having my previous world completely and utterly destroyed, having to find my balance losing my wife, losing my family, losing my friends. Everyone just abandoned because they thought I had lost my mind until finally

23:39 uh... coming to grips with not only the conspiracy but that the conspiracy uses people like stanley kubrick and then how does it use it and again to figure all out and i think that that was a real shot across the bow I believe it was all planned by Kubrick. He put the stuff in his films, and he thought it would take a little bit longer for someone to figure out and find them and bring them out. I think he was really surprised that they had been alive so soon within ten years after his death.

24:17 But it is, and I'm not alone. Like you said Adam Will-Rightley's writing about him and there are about 100 other people that are combing through his films with the fine tooth comb and we're finding out all the secrets he laid buried in there. Secrets that he wanted to be found out. Secrets that he wanted revealed through pop culture so they could never be taken back. It's actually quite brilliant for a man with 200 IQ like Stanley job well done! Hey Jay, do you think that he crossed the line with eyes wide shut and was did away with because of that?

24:54 Well, I can't say because it wasn't there. He was still smoking cigarettes at 70 years old and I know that shooting a movie is serious physical damage. It could really break you down. I'm much younger than he was and it just about tore me into the ground so I don't know. The fact that he died 666 days before January 1st 2001 really brings a lot of red flags and alarm bells in my head. I also talked to, I don't know who this man was but he called me anonymously and told me that Kubrick was in the lobby while the Warner Brothers executives were watching

25:40 the cut of two eyes wide shut and Kubrick was walking back and forth in the lobby muttering to himself, they're going to kill me. They're going to see this film and they are so pissed off that they are going to kill him. I don't know if he meant it figuratively or real but five days later he was dead. exposing, you know the 2001 and the Moon landing using this front screen projection method. And indeed I found that pretty damn compelling! Well, it is and what's amazing about it is that there are all these people who are trying to debunk those findings. What's funny is their debunking is just so pathetic! One guy who is a NASA expert is trying to rip me apart.

26:35 And he says, well you know Widener finds all these geometries up in the sky above the moon. And then what he does is pulls out another photograph of I think it was Apollo 11 launching and says but see I found the same thing here so here we have the sky of Florida as launches going up and there are indeed some strange articulations up in the But dude, I'm talking about on the moon. I'm not talking about a photograph taken from the earth of the Apollo launching. I talk about on the moon and it's not just one photograph It's literally hundreds and hundreds of photographs If you want to tell me that is not proof of front screen projection great What is it?

27:22 then, but nothing. When you argue with imbeciles or when you debate with imbeciles, you've got to be careful and not look like an imbecile yourself because as Mark Twain said, never get in an argument with a fool because anyone watching will have trouble finding out who's who. I don't really go after my debunkers anymore. I use shows like this to debunk them But actually, I hate to say this but I haven't met one who seems to have a high enough IQ even bother with arguing with. Oh snap! To clarify you do think we went to the moon? You just think the footage was faked right?

28:02 I pretty much know that beyond any shadow of a doubt, we've had the secret space program since we brought the Nazis into United States in the 1950s. The Nazis were working on standard rocket technology but they were working on extremely exotic anti-gravitational vehicles We scooped them all up. I don't believe there was ever a Cold War, and I believe that there's a third party on top of both the Soviet Union and the US, and they parcel out their research so that the United States did one part of the research and the Soviet Union did another part

28:43 and then they put them in competition against each other so that there would be faster turnarounds. Almost as if they were in an emergency, and they were working really fast to develop this technology. I believe that the red mercury that the Nazis discovered was perfected by both the Soviet Union and United States and that this is the source of the anti-gravity machines. I'm not saying there's not aliens, or anything like that. I'm just saying we have a lot of equipment they don't want anyone to know about. In fact this is the ultimate conspiracy and they don't want anyone to find out about it

29:30 technology is so astonishing because it's all derived from Tesla and the German scientists that literally we would never have an energy shortage, we would never have a Fukushima. It's a crime! It is criminal what these guys are doing with this technology And we've got to find a way to get it released Well said man, and that IS quite the challenge But I want to talk about they who they are The sinister ominous They That we hear about And this might be where the archons come in, because a lot of people take this train up into the point where we're talking about Bilderberg's Vatican and the world banking elite even a secret space program. But this is where they get off when we talk about a non-human entity at the top of the pyramid but I think this situation is more than a few rich white guys who got lucky printing money there something strange going on

30:25 and it seems to be the area you talk about with the archons so what is going on here man what's the deal well i mean we got without really sure you know what the market said in a lot of money about the archons that they were uh... off-planet spiritual parasite that would intrigue get into human beings and change the way that the acted in and and and the way that reacted after this invasion was and non-human way so what is a non human way well they described it as you know i'm empathic empathic so they can't feel people's feelings uh... inability to walk in another guy's shoes the inability to think about anybody other than yourself and um... and the greek uh... translation of the word are kind just merely means rulers

31:23 So, what I think now is that the earth may or may not have been invaded by off-planet spiritual parasites. We know that there is a mental disorder called psychopathic behavior and it mimics exactly what the Gnostics used to describe the archives, lack of empathy and inability to see into somebody else's way or somebody else's things. Manipulative cunning are all things that they use exactly what we today use as terms to describe people with psychopathic behavior so I merely say okay if you don't want to make that leap

32:10 into the off-planet spiritual parasite to totally understand it because it is a rather wacky concept. But you cannot deny that there's 1% to 4% of the human population that are completely psychopathically driven and these psychopaths are in positions of power, i.e., rulers They are presidents, they are the heads of the military. They run corporations. They're the head of all the Marxist states-Stalin, Mao, Obama, George W., these are all psychopaths and they're never going to ever do what we want because they can't

32:51 do what we want. They can only do what they want or what they're being told and so my conclusion is that the people who run this world, in my view they are archons but if that offends you then we'll just agree that their psychopaths If we're all cool on that, then we now know that we are dealing with a bunch of people who are psychopaths at the very least and off-planet spiritual parasites at the very most. We can identify them and once ID'd, we can begin getting rid of them. I don't mean killing them but getting them out of society so they no longer have their input or fingers in everything like they do now."

33:34 Right. Hey, I mean it is off-putting for a lot of people but i'm with you! I think there's something very strange going on at the top that is more than just greedy people concentrating their power and wealth Well, it is. I agree and here's why because I know a lot of wealthy people and wealthy people destroy their families. The wealth destroys their families but it may not be that first generation gets destroyed by the second generation after the wealth. The families are drug addicts, sex addicts, alcoholics, divorce, all sorts of perversions and everything. That is how it goes when you have a lot of money

34:17 What's interesting about the reliefs that we're talking about is it's transgenerational. It does not fall apart, it doesn't degenerate. The plan stays the plan. Everything stays on cue no matter if it was 100 years ago when they did the Federal Reserve or its today and they are doing their false flags. We continuously see the same plan being executed supposedly by generations of people. To me, that is absolutely impossible. Human beings are just too much of a screw-up to ever be able to carry out hundreds of years long plans and execute it perfectly without anybody getting their ego involved yet

35:03 It is being done. And so I have chosen that this 2,000 year old writings of the Nagamati about the archons are the closest to what I perceive as being the truth of anything else that I've seen." Yeah, the Nag Hammadi. That is the document that I had heard so much about it was can you tell us about how that was found? It was found in clay jars or something like that? Yeah in Egypt in 1945 right when the Illuminati had won essentially the illuminati had won their war they had one everything they were setting up their national security state we're setting up to cia there are setting up united nations they're setting everything up exactly at that time a little boy followed his ghost into a cave on hillside in egypt and discovered these clay jars

35:59 Now what's interesting about these clay jars is they have writings in them, scrolls in them. And then the scrolls were writing and the writing had never been censored by popes or kings or politicians and so we could actually get a sense of what people two thousand years ago thought of the world without anybody in between times interfering like Constantine or the Pope. And so we finally got a translation of what people in the old days really thought and it completely had variance to all the other writings Now here's the thing, Widener's first law says that those ideas which are most suppressed are most likely

36:47 to the truth. So as soon as I found out about the Nag Hammadi 15 or 20 years ago and started reading him assiduously, I began wondering who were these people that wrote all this stuff? Who were these Gnostics? And I had taken religious courses in college, comparative religion courses and things, but I didn't know what a Gnostic was! That pissed me off a little bit because I thought that I was an intelligent guy who had never heard of these people. So then, I began looking and low and behold, I discovered that not only were they huge religions 2000 years ago but they had been systematically wiped off the face of the earth! Not just the people have been wiped off their faces, everything they wrote has been burned. And that is why they burned the library in Alexandria

37:38 Because it was a Gnostic residue of all that they thought about the world. And the Christians burned down the library, raped Hypatia in the middle of the streets of Alexandria and we went into the Dark Ages. They want us in the Dark Ages! They want us stupid! They don't want us figuring out anything! man it is so refreshing to hear you say this because even in high school i can remember hearing about the european expansion and the destruction of any culture they came across and I always thought that was so suspicious like your first law says. You know, I think its a clue to the truth uh...to put so much energy into this slash-and-burn campaign

38:28 destroying all knowledge like you know they go went everywhere on the planet to destroy any hint of old knowledge and then covered it up so this Nag Hammadi text I mean finding these things is pretty incredible and is this where they talk about the Argonne's? Is this what do they say what's the storyline that they give out Well, they say that their creation story is a very interesting creation story. They say that there are these beings called Aeons who reside near the center of the galaxy and one of these Aeons whose name was Sophia decided she was going to imbue matter in third dimension with spirit

39:13 with a higher dimensional source to see if she could do it. And the other Aeons were kind of transfixed by this whole idea and they watched as Sophia went out to the edge of the galaxy, to a little rocky world and made life. But when she made the life, when she created the Earth, She created this place that was just so chaotic, and nature was so entangled. It was beyond any hope for consciousness because there was so much entangled confusion within nature itself. But when she created the life on Earth,

40:07 She also created our It was an accident. And the archons came to earth and they thought of themselves as kind of like a correction, so they decided that they were going to correct Sophia's confused entangled natural world and bring in some order i.e., rulers into this process and they began kind of coming into us and forcing us into agriculture off of a sort of meat-vegetable diet, into a grain diet which weakened us. They created the religions especially the three western religions that were all designed to enslave

41:07 It's actually an anti-Earth movement, an anti-nature movement the Archons are. They don't like nature and they do not like human beings too much. They don't like the fact that we can love each other unconditionally or the fact that we have souls but they do not. They want to control us. They want to prove to themselves that they are better than us and that we're a bunch of fools, and if they just deny us knowledge and kill the people who are smart so they can't pass knowledge on then they will control the human race and harvest their souls.

42:00 They can take our essence from us and maybe they can. I don't know, since I'm not an archivist. So they create wars and all these things that are extremely anti-natural so everything that they do is unnatural. They make straight lines instead of curved lines. they created l a for instance nofax always great place but the l.a.'s is became uh... prompt of our comic the way that the archived would build a city they would be loves sprawl we love horror movies and violence and on perversions right now there are full-scale effort to

42:42 apparently pervert all of humanity so that we fall further and further away from our true source which is the immortal and all-knowing impossible uh... you know psychic abilities and things into basically animals. And thats their goal Hey, Jay I got a pretty simplistic question but i'll throw it at you. So what's the first step in overthrowing the Archons? For us non-Archons First up is to first identify them. We have to start identifying the archons via the Internet. My friend Thomas Sheridan, who's a writer on Psycho-Pass says that we should create like a Lord of The Rings map showing you where Mordor is and stay away from Mordor right? And then we have to realize that they culture that they have created if you want to call it a culture

43:41 It's a nightmare and it's not a culture at all. It's just a rigged economic system, and we need to create a parallel economy away from the archontic culture and economy. and not really go head to head with them because archons, when you go head-to-head with them they drop nukes on you and stuff. They have no empathy so they'll kill everybody around you too if it gets to you. So it's foolish to go up against them head-to-head. We need to identify them with the idea that he is an archon! We better stay away from him completely because we cannot convert an archon or save a psychopath

44:30 They're beyond saving. Don't even bother with saving or trying to convert one as soon as you realize that you're dealing with a psychopath, you need to get away fast and that is what we have to do with them We need to get away from the culture they've created we need to create small enclaves of like-minded people who are growing their own food and living their own culture and Create something that is so attractive that the archaic culture will just dissipate on its own. Right now we're losing the battle because the archaics are feeding us pharmaceuticals and they're feeding us sex daily on TV at night, violence and the full

45:16 or assault on humanity house started we are now in the spiritual war it used to be that it was coming but it's here now and the reason it's here now is because were identifying them and naming them at that is not what they expected really happy to say even david ike is now coming on board identifying the arkans so we get a voice like david ike to get in there and help That could really throw it over for us. I think the archons are actually beginning to get cornered, and if you've ever had an angry dog cornered, you know how vicious that experience can be.

45:58 it's a dangerous time but the same time uh... archons don't know how to deal with courage and so when people stand up to him you get that you get fallacious arguments they won't debate you guarantee it he will not be in our country today who they will avoid debate at all costs because they can't debate they cannot exchange intellectual ideas because purchase shelves of of being there are no real I wish i was pulled over by more arcon police officers because they seem to be very willing to debate me unfortunately Well, there are so many students of their philosophy whether you know whether we're talking about literal archons or not. There's they've definitely Created a system where? We are students of their philosophy to a tee Their values if you know if you want to call them values of any kind or our put in the forefront I mean that's that's definite but you were talking you mentioned all right You mentioned David like is he drawing a distinction between

46:57 Reptilians and archons or is he changing his view? Or are these different? I'm not going to speak for David because I can't tell you that but i will say this according to nagamati the archons can create almost fiction in all directions So, you don't know what you're looking at so They could be reptilian. They are described as a reptilian and then agama t so uh... but once you understand that the archives create things out of there then you have to start yet because step way back and go away in a everything i'm looking at is false

47:38 Then, from that premise you can go forth and then figure out reality. Once you say to yourself that I'm touching this but is it real? And then finding a way to understand what is really real and what is just an arconic influence is really the trick and I think thatís the goal for all of us over the next five or ten years as this drama ensues, I think we're going to start identifying them on the internet. We're going to start identifying everything about them and for the next few years we are going to learn more and more and they even now know that they are being identified. They are putting out movies like Seven Psychopaths

48:26 to show that they're actually cute and cuddly and funny, and they're doing this all over the place. There's even a book out now about how being a psychopath can help you in your business world. They are really coming out of their closet right now, and we can't let them get away with it! the real reality. I mean, if we're covered in all their failed realities these false paradigms these uh false values what do you think are some of the biggest secrets that have been lost today that they've covered up?

49:05 Oh, that we are... not only covered it up. They forced us into disusing our psychic abilities The Catholic Church went through Europe and killed everybody who had psychic abilities Everybody that they found If you were even whispered That you had some kind of unusual power You were taken in front of the Inquisition and killed Therefore, a whole swath of people with certain talents were removed and their progeny were removed. So that's one of the things. The other thing is that they made us aware of our racial differences so that we now judge each other on our skin color whereas before the archons we didn't even care and you can go look at

49:59 go to the Metropolitan Museum in New York or London, and look at paintings from ancient Egypt from 2000 BC. You'll see that all the races are being pictured in the cities and the streets and stuff, there was no racism. This is foisted on us like a hatred of each other because of religions is all an archon trick believing there's Messiah that's going to come save you or it's aliens or Obama or Jesus another trick. That's one of their biggest ones! The Archons are always beating you up

50:38 a nasty beating you up, kicking your guts and stomping on your face. When they get done doing it and you look at them and say why did you do that? They look at you and say I did it because I love you! That's the Archons. That is their idea of what love is to knock the living snot out of you constantly by telling you that they are doing it because itís good for you. and that's an Archon trick. And this thing is like endemic, it can be caught and spread so a child is abused by his dad then he becomes abuser of his children who then begins abusing his children and so the Archon interface is generational and continuous and contagious

51:30 Yeah man, that savior motif. That's a bad one I mean...I know you've worked with David Wilcock He has made me hopeful in the past with ideas of covert wars playing out where we have some good Illuminati that are on the cusp of real overthrow and were all gonna get 10 million dollars and everything will be revealed And as much as i love those ideas I just think im too cynical to believe thats going to happen I've been having a lot of talks with David lately and even he's starting to realize that there is a rogue group that is fighting against the Illuminati, our insiders.

52:11 you know i think they're fighting for themselves so you know do or do i want them to fight each other and oh yeah by each other's death kill each other guys still don't don't no collateral damage just kill each other i'd before that like no tomorrow but unfortunately this thing is more complicated we could ever dream and where the endgame right now really kind of a basic watch Well, another area that is super fascinating to me is... and I know you've worked with Richard Hoagland on this stuff but he's got some really interesting research on space in our solar system. And I've yet to have him come on the show but what is your take on the solar system? Because it seems to be that there are a lot of big lies that the Archons have told us revolve around the solar system, the moon, Mars even Saturn

53:03 Oh yeah, and the sun. A week ago a third of the sun went missing I don't know if you know that? I did see that the other day! That's recent right? Yeah, yeah... The Sun is not what we think it is. The Sun is not a big huge ball of nuclear fission. The Sun is actually hollow and has an outer edge which is plasma which is what we're seeing And every time there's a sunspot, you're looking into the hollow Sun. It's really the electric Earth and the Electric Universe. These ideas will come forth as years come out too because the last thing that the Archons want to figure out is that you are actually electricity more than anything else—that the world, the Earth and solar system

53:47 The galaxy is run by electricity, not by proteins or all these other things. When we figure that out then you realize that actually your health is governed by this too and there's a doctor Robert O. Young who is writing books about how to electrify yourself. This guy has proof positive that he's on the right thing because years old, looks like he's about 40 or maybe 35. And his wife is 61 and she looks like she's about 30! Again these are all discoveries that are coming out right now. The revolution that's occurring on the internet is a revolution against the Archons we just don't know it yet

54:33 But we will, as time goes on. We'll realize that we don't need their medical system. We don't need their legal system. We don't need their economy. We don't need their crappy food and certainly don't need their wars or lies." So it's going to start out with just a few people realizing this creating parallel cultures probably via the internet and then we're going to end up being healthy and alive, and the people that don't believe in any of this stuff are going to be fat and unhealthy. And they're gonna die! That's like unless the Archons just start killing everybody ad hoc that's where this is gonna end there's gonna be you know 15 or 20 years before this happens but the entire human race is wising up

55:21 all at the same time. It has never happened before in human history, and all of the smartest people on earth are reaching the same conclusions about reality right now! The leading-edge ones are looking at the archons or those that aren't as leading edge, but they're looking at just the Illuminati or corruption, that kind of thing. But eventually every inquiring mind is going to ask themselves questions like How the hell are the elite so smart that they can pull this off? And when you start going down that road, that's where you get into dangerous areas of archons and psychopaths and off-planet intelligences. Even demonic things!

56:09 I believe he approached the Archon question in three different films. The first one was 2001, in which he posited that they were off-planet intelligences. The second movie where he talks about the Archons is in The Shining when he says there are demonic influences that can get inside your head and turn you into someone who wants to kill your family The third movie talking about the Archons is Eyes Wide Shut, in which he's now positing that the ruling elite are these archons. And I say it's all three. I say it's off-planet intelligences who also appear to look like demonic influences who are also our ruling elites. So it's all three.

56:56 it on the deeper levels of diet and vaccines and chemtrails, harp and fluoride an all that stuff that affects our biology it seems like the simple explanation is well if they're all sick and tired all the time it makes it hard for them to rebel and we'll remain weak and docile which is true but on a deeper level it seems like the archons or the truelies are hitting us with all these chemicals as if they're beating back powerful force deep within the individual I mean does that make...is that kind where you come from?

57:42 Yes, that's it. We are already fully realized. We just don't know it. We're fully realized we are already extremely powerful beings I don't know if you've ever studied Taoism but there is a a little bit actually watchin there's uh... there was no movie on you too who is taking these two brothers went to indonesia in the i think it looks seventies with their sixteen-millimeter camera had to show you know what people were like of the spirit psychics and spiritual people and they've got a dallas master who literally put his hand over piece of paper like that on fire really three from three feet away yeah on film

58:24 So we have these abilities. It's just that these archons know that if they let those abilities atrophy, they're safe but if we don't let those abilities atrophy and find ways to bring our powerful beings to their full fruition, the archons are finished and they know it. They're so frightened of that! They're so frightened of a great awakening, spiritual liberation and we have to all of us, everybody listening has to be like this. We're all front-line soldiers in this rebellion and we have to have courage. We have to stand up

59:07 and we have to realize that we are so much more powerful than what we've been led to believe. Take the iconic invention of evolution, what is evolution saying? Evolution is saying � I'm not going to argue about science evolve, magically evolve into something better. Well that's exactly the opposite of the truth! The truth is that we are already there and they have made us asleep and we need to wake up. Once you wake up, you realize how really powerful you are and that is one thing they cannot ever let happen.

59:59 Hey Jay, you mentioned a shamanic experience. Could you talk about that and the importance of shamanic experiences? And how these can help us break free from the Archons or the Matrix? You can have a shamanic experience, you know. You go to the jungle and take ayahuasca or drum. There are many ways of having a shamanic experience but what is the point? The point is to shatter your paradigm.

1:00:36 to make you realize that all the things that you thought aren't really true. That means that you've got to go back to school and start doing your homework, okay? I have minor shamanic experiences all of the time. For instance, I will go to a library or bookstore and buy a book on a subject which is exactly opposite from what I believe in. I will make sure that I buy a book and read the book. That's exactly the opposite of my belief system." Why do I do that? It is to shatter my belief system! If I start reading books on fundamentalist Christianity, and I start finding myself agreeing with 40 or 50 percent of what I'm reading, then I am totally horrified that I'm agreeing with it. What is that doing into my head?"

1:01:23 I'm presenting new ideas into my head that I never considered before, and that's causing me to rethink my previous positions. That's what shamanism does. It causes you to rethink the positions that you held previously." So I was a journalist. I believed in science. I had a shamanic experience which literally shattered me into a million pieces. It took me years to regroup, and when I regrouped, I was a completely different person. I didn't believe any of the things that I believed before and now, of course, I realize it was just archon influences from my colleges, teachers, churches, and all the other things that were part of my life.

1:02:15 That's why it is really important for everyone to have a shamanic experience. My old friend Terrence McKinney used to say that not having a shamanic experience is like going through your entire life without having sex! what it's like to anybody if they haven't had a completely impossible describe sex to you nick uh... so we know i'd encourage everyone to find their own path and to uh... as daniel pinch picks us you'll break open the head nope smash your head literally smasher psychic of billion pieces and regrouping notes appear in the aspect some bomb you'll be better off for it and then let me ask you one more thing about the white body because is is it

1:03:00 I'm really into the control mechanisms and all these things, and then it always goes into a sort of new agey territory with the light body and meditation and true reality. And this is where i'm having a disconnect at least in my personal life because I've gone to a Reiki master with no real effect and I worry that this is another version of the savior motif that's all internal Explain to me why it isn't, and what can someone do to really try to find some validation of this in their own life? Well that's a great question. So there is a way you can do this and validate it for yourself

1:03:42 I'll do it like this. Forget all the light body and meditation stuff, you can go to that later. Let's try it this way. We are in a dream and we're dreaming and we're not in control of our dreams. The difference between dreaming and lucid dreaming is that in a lucid dream you're in control of your dreams. We are none of us, well maybe some of us but most of us are just dreaming our dream and not lucidly dreaming our dream. So let's just say that this is true. Let's say that this is a dream. Now I'm telling you that you can wake up in your dream. You can begin controlling your dream, lucidly controlling it

1:04:33 So, I had a very advanced person tell me this 20 years ago and I said that's all great and everything. You're successful in all of that but how do you prove it? He says just pick one thing! Just pick one thing. Make sure it isn't greedy, don�t wish for money because that's a sure way to have this not succeed. Just do something like you want your little brother to be more successful or make sure he You are in control of your dream. That's not going to happen right away It'll take a few months maybe even a year for the for you to gain control of your dream But it is entirely and absolutely possible And I am living proof of it, and I'm not the only one I've sent past this information on too many other people who began lucidly living their life

1:05:40 When they did, they became in control of their life and by gaining control of their life they lost their uncertainty. They gained confidence and this led them into larger amounts of control over their lives until they become spiritually aware. the meditation, the light body and all the rest of it begins to finally make sense. Because what are you doing when you're meditating? You're pulling yourself out of the life stream and you're going inwards. You are beginning to get the discipline necessary to begin controlling your life through living a lucid life

1:06:25 In the end, we finally get to the point where it's possible for the human mind even make the human body immortal. I know this sounds all really wild and crazy but it is all true and based in fact that you can do yourself. Everyone start living the life that you want to live not the life they want you to live And then you'll find as you live the life that you want to live, that everything you want comes to fruition. I mean that sounds great! I know there are a lot of people out there who are shackled to work working jobs they don't care about. They listen to shows like this often during their job and... Quit your job if you aren't doing what you like. That's so funny

1:07:11 I actually, one of my...I do a conspiracy t-shirt brand as well and one of the shirts is a homeless guy holding up his sign and his sign says quit your job. And i love the symbolism of that instead of asking for something you say no you are the one who needs help Exactly! You're not going to die, there's nothing to kill you There's nothing to be afraid of That's the thing The archives have built us into a prison of fear so we don't want to go live our own life And there is something to say, a lot of Zen philosophers talk about living in the present moment and anytime you get really fearful or any time you get really stressed out it's because your concentrating on a perceived future that you can't really control. But I can't quit today because rents due in 30 days well maybe something going happen in that thirty days but it is quite scary It will happen if you embrace with all the courage you can muster your rent will get paid

1:08:07 That's the leap. I'm right at the edge there and i want to make that leap, and i want to believe that to be true but... It is funny because a little anecdote about this, is the other day I was in a really negative headspace and my girlfriend's a little more on the side of this kind of stuff. And I said you know the last piece of the puzzle is me getting a ticket and on my way home from work I actually made eye contact with a cop! I made eye contact with him and in that moment I said he's getting me. I know he's fucking getting me. He got his car pulled me over and made me get out of the car and sit on my hands if that's not symbolic enough

1:08:44 And she's like, you manifested that. I was like well why can't i just fucking manifest some good things? You know it's always the negative thoughts that seem to come to fruition. Yeah! You answered yourself. You answered it yourself. I need more positive thoughts. I guess that's what we're getting at. It's really courage. When I get pulled over by a cop, this could be the most awesome ticket that I've ever gotten! Then I talk to the cop like he is a real human being and all of sudden sometimes they don't even give me a ticket because I dress them as people and they are so appreciative of that because usually everybody is afraid

1:09:27 Yeah, and they feed on that just as much. They do! Exactly. That's the key to understanding what the Archons... It's a contagion and so are the cops themselves but they don't really want to be that way Nobody really wants to be an archon but the Archons. Yeah it's crazy man But it's been great talking to you I mean Adam is there anything you wanted to add before? Looks like we're getting into an hour Is there anything you wanted to throw out there? Oh We could keep going and going but yeah, it's been a great hour talking to you Jay Yeah, it's been great Well, do you have anything Jay that you're working on? You want to tell people about your website some of your projects what you got going on. Yeah if you really want to wake up I am now the programming director at an online television streaming network like Netflix only for people like us it's called GiamTV g-a-i-m-t-v dot com and if you wanna help me then hit backslash Widener w-e-i-d-n-e-r

1:10:26 and go there enjoy it for ten days i gave you will cox on their ability to show with richard hoagland george norris on there uh... daniel construction of a show soon uh... we're really trying to bust the paradigm moves as fast as he can so that's about three that you can do it if which is that uh... skeptical family and friends get above subscription to it and you know i found out after all while watching this stuff they began changing Yeah, skip them all and get him a subscription to guy MTV. That's right excellent man well Thanks again You know it has been a fascinating show I hope we can do it again sometime because there's just so much more to talk about yeah And I enjoy the rest of your day you too Wow man far out stuff how'd you uh? How did you feel about that one oh

1:11:18 Oh, that was cool. I enjoyed that quite a bit! I was somewhat familiar with his work but this gave me a broader perspective...I was just familiar with the Kubrick material but yeah he has some interesting ideas The Kubrick branch on the conspiracy tree is one that I definitely love because it's again, the synchronicity thing of developing a true view of the universe. But uh...I loved Kubrick as a kid and i used to want to be a film director so I do think there's a part of me that really likes the Kubrick tie-in with the conspiracy because I'm like oh! It's all synchronistic in my life cause I was interested in Kubrick when I was 11 years old and here we are still talking about him at 27

1:12:01 But, you know, Jay points out a lot of information that's just really solid. Yeah I agree it was fun talking to him. Let me ask how you feel about the Enlightenment? Do you think people are waking up do you see it happening? I don't know! It is tough to say... I was literally thinking about this yesterday, trying to determine where on the scale of awakening we are. There are some positives but there are also huge negatives and now that I'm going into the bank which is probably the worst place for me to be thinking about this stuff... It seems like were more enslaved in a lot ways you know? Agreed! Everything with it well yeah this big matrix, the banking

1:12:49 what social media has evolved into, all the snooping that goes on. Right it's infiltrated just as much What the media is, what's on television I mean whether you believe that the archons are from another planet or whatever there is a negative influence in society which I think we can find different ways to break free of on a lot of levels. Just personal, what you eat each day and what you consume

1:13:28 how you spend your time, you know? Yeah the food thing's really interesting to me because we were talking about talking to that guy Wheat Belly and Jay was talking about wheat being a bad thing. I'm hearing this more and more that wheats bad for you and in fact one interesting thing i heard recently talking about religions being there for control mechanisms is that fatty acids are good for your brain and that is why all religions have days where you don't eat meat, or they have things against eating meat. How funny is that? Yeah there's a lot to that wheat belly thing I got into that and I've changed my diet over the years and look the thing with the wheat it got hybridized back in

1:14:14 80s and it, you know basically what's put forth in the book when you consume the wheat. You know we don't have the original wheat that dates back thousands of years. It's this new hybridized It really happened in the 80s or so, which according to the thesis of the guy who wrote The Wheat Belly Book is responsible for obesity and bad health and all this. If you look at some of the data when you consume wheat your body produces a lot more

1:14:55 sugar than consuming straight sugar. It creates this vicious cycle where you consume more of wheat and these type of things, high fructose in your diet and all these nasty additives. What is put forward in the book is more a paleo-type natural diet eating fruits and vegetables and meat trying to fine meat that doesn't have a lot of stuff pumped into it as well, you know the Yeah, that's a challenge grass-fed. Well, it's not necessarily that Difficult just takes time preparing part of its preparing your own meals each day You know in the world a lot of people are strapped

1:15:44 that Vicious cyclers not a whole lot of good you can find from the fast-food restaurant. Yeah, I think that was what I was saying I figured you're referencing my Facebook from the other day or I said I managed to resist McDonald's during the Monopoly game Which is really tough for me because they're hitting two of my addictions at one time and gambling in bad junk food Mm-hmm But if you can stay away then I mean, I mean that's the real empowerment of the human spirit I guess the true triumph of the will

1:16:26 Yeah. I mean, I would love to believe that we're waking up but some days like it was going...I went into that bank and i go up to the teller and I say you know how are you doing man? He's like oh you know I'm great but I've really had to use the bathroom for the past hour just haven't been able to go. A grown man not being able to take a piss does not sound great to me! And he just stares at me because well what can you do? He is at work but I feel like some people are getting closer to robotic automated beings with a plastered smile on their face and they're empty inside. That offends me, that bothers me. Well it starts with you, personally break free then you can worry about others

1:17:12 That is the challenge, and I think I'm about 60 days away from quitting that corporate job. And that's a scary thing but you gotta go at it with positivity and confidence and tell those archons to fuck off! There ya' go! Alright man well on that note I love having you on thanks for your contributions to THC through your blog Transmissions From A Dying Planet always nice to throw something extra out to people during the week do love that you do that Right on, this was a good one. Yeah this was so keep rocking towards the free world and we'll see you again man We'll talk...we'll do another interview next month Okay sounds good Alright man peace Take care Sweet dreams are made Who am I to disagree? I travel in seas looking for something Someone to be dreams with Who am i agree

1:18:47 and the seven seas. Get your head up, get your head up! Some of them are damn sweet Who am I to look at some who have sweet dreams on this? Who am i to criticize the seven seas? Sweet dreams are to be disavowed. The world and the seven seas looking for something sweet

1:21:10 I travel the world