THC 35: Adam Gorightly | A World of High Weirdness

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01:35 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed a nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. But what if 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire? For a new era of worldly frustration we offer a fresh conversation! People, tonight we find ourselves on the eve of a national election. A mile marker on the highway of absurdity and smoking mere theatrics where Americans enjoy the false sense of empowerment in The Almighty Lever Pull! Well I'm Greg Carlwood and I don't really give a shit about the national election you know? I've got other concerns... Do we really live in a world of random successes and unpredictable tragedies or are there unseen writers and directors of reality plotting out events to such a detailed degree precision that it boggles the fucking mind?!

02:32 Do Hollywood pop stars rise and fall by the quality of their talents or because they did their time in the satanic sex parties in The Illuminati? Do raving lunatics fire on crowds, assassinate inspirational leaders and suicide bomb buildings all seemingly at random...or are they unwilling actors corralled to the scene finger on the trigger waiting for their brain to scream action from the dark recesses of their subconscious. Well, today's guest has spent a large chunk of his life exploring the depths of what he calls this high weirdness for decades. Writing articles in nearly every underground magazine, counterculture publication and conspiracy website imaginable... A self-described crackpot historian and author of several books most notably his work on Charles Manson and the connection to deeper conspiracy He is a gonzo journalist with the conspiracy community And I've become a huge fan as of late Adam go rightly

03:24 Say hello to the people. Hello, people! Thanks for being here yeah you're you have written on a ton of alternative topics UFOs black magic the Montauk project the list goes on and I definitely appreciate your less than serious style writing let's start with one of my favorite articles that you've written which is interpretation of Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut because I always grew up as a Kubrick fan but when that one came out, it didn't get it. But now it makes a little more sense! You basically assess that Eyes Wide Shut is an exposure to the goings-on of the Illuminati and Project Monarch but for those who don't know what is Project Monarch?

04:08 Well, assuming your audience knows what MKUltra is which was that government sponsored program back in the days went on during the Cold War where the CIA was using all kinds of methods to control minds. Using drugs and electro therapy and on and on different things, you know techniques that were imported from the Nazis. You know right project paperclip thing became MKUltra and a spin-off of that allegedly is Monarch mind control programming I first became exposed to a lot of this stuff

04:55 through a book, came out in the late 70s by Walter Bowart entitled Operation Mind Control. Are you familiar with that title? Yeah I've heard the title but never read the book and I've heard it talked about alot. But I guess Monarch is like a sexual twist on MKUltra When he published that book in the late 70s, it came out and kind of caused a stir. He wasn't talking about Monarch at that point but then all of the sudden all the copies vanished! Somebody bought them up, probably a government job didn't want some of this information released.

05:39 then in the late 90s came out with a second edition of this operation mind control. That's where I first read about all of the monarch revelations and one of the, he just used people's initials as his sources, but one of his sources who he called O later turned out to be Kathy O'Brien. If you're familiar with that name she's one of the first people that came out talking about monarchs As far as I could tell there was also somebody named Bryce Taylor That is a pseudonym and so this monarch according to the witnesses, the victims

06:24 was a spin-off of MKUltra and used different types of programming, such as Wizard Of Oz imagery and these types of things to create basically altars in their victims. Different personalities that they could use to be assassins or drug couriers... And different things! I got interested in this, this was the late 90's and it seemed like that's when they first started talking about it. And all of a sudden you heard suddenly people came out and were talking that they'd been Monarch victims and if you look...if you continue to follow the trend its just exponentially grew since that time much like when people started first being regressed for

07:19 UFO abductions? Something similar now is this super soldier stories you're hearing about. I just, a few years ago there was a guy named Aaron McCollum who came out talking about this and all of the sudden you have all kinds of super soldiers popping up so anyway...I delved into all this, lot of this Monarch program and how monarch works they would allegedly

07:58 take children at the time of birth and initiate them into this monarch programs, and the parents were all involved in this. And it...the name that you know the ...it's alleged that the Illuminati are behind all of these, that super secret organization that straighten our face I guess with all the imagery we see nowadays! And so it was this huge intergenerational program that who knows goes how far back and that's kind of the monarch programming they use these different subliminal in images and messages and like movies

08:44 to program this process and they'll use these things in the Monarch programming. And supposedly, from what I've read in these books The Wizard of Oz is used a lot in this programming so with that background in mind when I saw Eyes Wide Shut I started seeing all kinds of imageries and hints and winks to the Wizard of Oz within the film, and I thought is this some type of programming tool? Are they using Eyes Wide Shut was... what's his name Stanley Kubrick using this sort as a revelation of The Method. I'm sure you've heard that term. And so just going

09:40 Through the film, I can take you through a few scenes if you'd like. Yeah let's do it! So we'll point out some of the Wizard of Oz imagery The first thing that you see in the movie there is this lavish party that is hosted by some bigwig named Ziegler and he's actually played by Sidney Pollack in the film who was a director He directed I believe Kramer vs. Kramer different movies and so we see at this party Tom Cruise character there, he's Dr. Bill referred to him as Dr. Bill is that this party and he finds himself seduced by two beautiful models as they call them remind me to talk about models in a minute because the term the term models is kind of a code word and So they're kind of leading him into an apparent menage-a-trois

10:35 And when Dr. Bill asked him where they're taking him, as they lead them away by his arm and arm he said they tell them where the rainbow ends and I thought hmm that's interesting so that appeared to be an illusion of Monarch programming Later on after that scene oh there was also an interesting scene in their word beautiful young lady who's nude in the guy who is hosting the party, Ziegler. In his bathroom she is Odine and so Dr Bill comes and he's able to revive her so just keep in mind that you know drug addiction is another common modus operandi in control of these monarch sex slaves So women at these parties it kind of infers

11:32 that they're these type of programmed sex slaves. And so, you know with this whole monarch programming it's interesting that just going back, you know it allegedly deals with programming boys and girls in their roles. And by using sexual molestation and other trauma such as satanic ritual abuse as part of the programming. So often times the family members are used in this process so moving on

12:12 We see the next allusion to The Wizard of Oz when Dr. Bill is going to some party so he goes around a cloak and mask from a place, costume store called Rainbow Costumes which happens to be located above another shop called Under the Rainbow not sure what to make about this but it seems that keeps popping up Now, at this costume shop he's dealing with an owner there and the owner catches his underage daughter half nude with two apparent drag queens and becomes visibly upset. Then in a later scene the shop owner does about face and ends up pimping out his daughter to these same drag queens and tries to interest Tom Cruise character Dr Bill in her

13:03 as well so there's this transformation we see there and a lot of times monarch programmers or people in programs talk about transformation as being in a trance that was the name of Cathy O'Brien book Transformation America. So, in the film there is this transformation father to pimp and daughter to prostitute And this is part of that monarch symbolism, which is one of transformation. Of the caterpillar into butterfly and it's kind of a mocking irony because a butterfly is seen as this creature of transformational beauty So to me that appears to be part of the deception of this programming to dilute its victims into believing they've been transformed into something magical and full of wonder

13:58 Follow the yellow brick road, which you know this twilight language that a lot of researchers who've looked into this Talk about like Michael Anthony Hoffman and James Shelby down or this Twilight Language embedded as a form of mocking wordplay. You know used in a symbolic and subliminal fashion At first now going back to the model, you know they call these women's models in this movie Going back to Walter Boehrt and his book Operation Mind Control, he referred to another book which is very rare and it still might be difficult to find called The Control of Candy Jones by a guy named Donald Bain. Are you familiar with that book at all? That I'm not familiar with no.

14:52 Supposedly, the first quote-unquote presidential model as they called them part of the MK Ultra program. Candy Jones was married to a guy named Long John Neville and For those of you who are into this type of podcasting and radio going back way before Art Bell, before Billy Goodman. Going way back there was a guy in the 50s 60's named Long John Neville he had an all night show in New York

15:32 over a big radio station, I think it was WNBC and it broadcasted across the country. He was into interviewing UFO saucer people and just interesting guests Long John Neville you can if you do some searching find some of his old broadcasts here and there. I got a collection of them, but Anyway he married a lady named Candy Jones who had been a model and a dancer And this and that and she helped him with his radio program and she also had split personalities She seemed to go into You know much like Sybil from the movie so

16:15 Ongjong Nebel didn't know quite what was going on with her, so he took her to a psychotherapist or hypnotist and they put her under regression. And under that it was revealed that she was the victim of an MKUltra program and she was one of the first presidential models who were used as drug Mule not a drug mule. That's some of the other monarch people but as a courier message courier for intelligence agencies and also as a sex toy of the rich and famous Politicians and whatnot, that's what they have they say how it with how the Monarch slaves were used nowadays in the books

17:03 what's-her-name, Kathy O'Brien and the others that such people as Ronald Reagan and Bob Hope and even the Clintons on and on are all using these monarch controlled sex slaves. So that's where the term presidential model comes in they say uh... some suggest that merlin the room is one of those presidential models yet but that's actually another really weird angle to the mind-controlled sex slave is it they sometimes are turned into hollywood stars and music stars and that seems like didn't seem a little risky isn't unnecessary risk when you can just you know kill on men go get another kid for group argued yeah with uh...

17:51 Seems so but who knows I don't know what to make of a lot of this stuff really some like I was a Correspondent and friends with Jim Keith who wrote a lot of great conspiratorial books and died under mysterious circumstances A decade ago or so, but he brought up in this pretty evident to a lot of people that Yes, indeed there has been MKUltra and these shenanigans that have gone on are still probably going on but to cover the tracks of the perpetrators you always have these red herrings this stuff thrown into them mixed to just confuse the matter all the more and To murky the water so everybody will think that it's all a bunch of nonsense to begin with

18:43 And so there's all this misinformation out there, you know? Or seeming disinformation. Yeah I mean that seems to be the biggest challenge is you've got first you got the disinformation then you've got people who just want attention it really makes it tough to cut through and find something legitimate yeah and even in my own life I think I'm bit...I'd been messed with and tampered with and hey I don't wanna sound I can't film anything without Ernie. But you've written about that a little bit, let's talk about that! You've written a lot of pieces and a lot of subjects been involved in the conspiracy community for awhile and it's always odd to me that some people seem to die under mysterious circumstances while some people are allowed just go on for years and years but what have you experienced in that kind realm being messed with?

19:38 Well, first of all in my own mind to make myself feel better about doing this and not go paranoid. There were times when I started going down that path. I try to keep a perspective and sense of humor even delude myself into thinking that those out there who are doing bad deeds or monitoring us they find my work amusing so let me carry on! When I was really got into heavily researching all the mind control stuff when i was writing the Manson, book on Manson, The Shadow Over Santa Susanna Black Magic Mind Control and the Manson Family Mythos. And I started that project originally as this looking there is all these rumors of mind control

20:28 around the Manson family. So that's kind of how I started that project and evolved into the book, but during that period there were some odd things happening. One this happened like on at least four occasions twice when i was at home and twice in a Mexican restaurant When I was at home, I was sitting in the same spot and at the Mexican restaurant. I was Interestingly sitting at the same table And I felt my body temperature go up and my head felt like it's about ready to explode I was just my body temperature went up who knows My wife is looking at me looked all

21:14 where, wow he turned red what the hell is going on? I don't know you know. He start kind of freaking out then after a couple minutes it would subside and go away and that happened on a few occasions and I do now in my paranoid conspiratorial part of my mind thinking somebody beaming some microwave weapon on me of course that's how lot Mind control, you know people say they're being mind controlled now. They're using this type of electronic harassment So that was kind of a weird thing I could evade something maybe that caused that or but i've never had that happen before since it was interesting I was sitting

21:56 the same place on these different occasions, like somebody could have beamed something through a window. You hear this stuff? Who knows! I don't know. It's totally possible. When researchers come down with cancer it could be years of manipulation from behind the scenes Yeah and so that happened probably in the late 90s when we talk about people mysteriously dying I wrote a book about Kerry Thornley and I was in contact with the guy named Ron Bonds who ran Illuminate Press. Are you familiar with him from back in the day? Illuminate Press, no I'm not! That was the conspiracy publisher that was a good guy out of Atlanta Georgia published all of Jim Keith's books

22:46 And Jim Keith was good friends with Ron Bonds. In fact, at the time of his death he and Ron Bonds were working real closely and they were going to publish Kerry Thornley's JFK assassination book they had published I don't know how familiar you are with Kerry Thornley They had published Kerry Thornely's other books as well The Idol Warriors and Xenarchy So those are all, we've got the key three players with Illuminate Press and they all died within about a year of each other in the late 90s under odd circumstances. Kerry died of a rare disease, Jim Keith was at Burning Man

23:32 festival out there in the desert jumped off a stage and broke his leg or injured his knee and went in for surgery, died under surgery when a blood clot went to his brain. And Ron Bonds, the publisher of Illuminate Press died of food poisoning during this same period. Some people subscribe that conspiracy it's interesting those three guys all die at same time. That is suspicious! Yeah, and I'm doing more...I'd encourage folks if this area of inquiry interests you to check out my book The Prankster and the Conspiracy it's a story of Carrie Thornley and that's a whole other ball of wax there to get into but

24:26 As far as this thing of being monitored and harassed, I'm thinking of a few other things. One incident interesting when I was...I knew Robert Anton Wilson and I interviewed him for my book on Cary Thornley because they were friends at one time and they were players back in the day in the Discordian Society movement kind of a spoof religion Kerry Thornley claimed that he was subject to just this type of harassment MKUltra, mind control and I interviewed Robert Anton Wilson about on this all around sometime in 2000 a friend came with me there Greg Bishop recorded the interview for me then he took it home. He's going

25:24 edit it, put it on cassette tape for me. So a period of time passed probably a month or two and I said hey Greg when are you going to get me that Wilson tape? He said okay I'm working on here I'll get it to you shortly just hang on So, okay I'll give him some time. He's a busy man and waiting next time to talk to Greg for couple of months or whatever. When are you gonna get that Wilson tape to me? I gotta get going on the book here." And he goes,"Well, I sent it out a couple weeks ago. I think you would have had it by now". Oh shit! And then I went, oh...okay. So didn't show up pretty much wrote off

26:10 You know, okay. I had in my head a lot of the conversations and whatnot so... Right. Thought hey! It wasn't meant to be that's how you got it keep the perspective sometimes six months later might even been longer than that might have been a year it was quite awhile the tape finally showed up we packaged in it was then had obviously been opened So somebody intercepted listen to finally reroute it to me. They probably tried to listen and the quality was real bad, I had struggled too. I forget what kind of recorder Greg was using but that was one instance but it was interesting...I talked to Wilson a few times on the phone and it was always obvious that his line was tapped he was being monitored, he knew this

27:07 Damn. I've heard it thrown around before Well, it was a government agency that was started post 9-11 by DARPA. They got going on this and it was headed up by John Poindexter who is involved in I forget what all Bush and Reagan administration he's right heavy intelligence guy It was basically if you look at the symbol for the Office of Information Awareness The initials of that are

27:48 IAO, which is like a part of the Krolian ritual chant. A lot of people point to that but if you look at the symbol, the logo they came up with it's the eye of the pyramid with a kind of laser beam shooting out of it. It looks just like the cover of Robert Anton Wilson and Bob Shays Illuminatus trilogy, so this agency was put together for monitoring doing domestic surveillance another agency there was such an outcry with the public that this agency like disappeared or reconstituted as something else. During this period where they had launched the Office of Information Awareness, John Poindexter was the head Robert Anton Wilson used to

28:41 CC all his email messages to John Poindexter And I got these and I talked to him on the phone. I said Bob What are you doing with that? He said, I figure they're monitoring all my messages anyway We might as well just yeah Just make it easy for them and maybe this will eliminate a job and you know cut down on taxpayers at paying for next very position within this agency so He was another fellow and there's a few of the folks, these are all 60s kind of free thinkers, libertarian radicals involved in the anti-war movements. The Robert Anton Wilsons and few other people like Luis Lacey I interviewed and other associates

29:29 Curie Thornton a lot of times talking to the miniature the telltale click I can you know, I know that sound when a Phone is bug. And so these are instances of I felt like I was being monitored and a lot of this took back in the late 90s early 2000s when I was more heavily Maybe I deeper in there did something that alerted the attention of Whoever is watching us. It seems almost like a movie in itself, but I mean the thing is the further down the rabbit hole I go the weirder and more confusing this situation becomes like it's it almost seems like all the dots connect but you hear about these satanic rituals and

30:19 You think that they're just there to satisfy, at least I did, to satisfy some ridiculous ego and power issues. But the symbolism comes back in movies even in Disney movies and music Do you think it is just to satisfy their ego or are they conjuring up some kind of dark energy? Do you believe in that all like the Aleister Crawley type stuff I don't know if i believe in anything. Not trying to cod up, but a belief. My mind's open and I look into these things. One of the things that is going on, like I told you before we got into this...I'm not really up on a lot of the imagery and things. I know Lady Gaga does stuff and there have been rappers singing about the Illuminati and some might just

31:16 They know about the legends and they're kind of inserting that stuff in there just to blow people's mind. I think there is some pranksterism going on there. You got to consider that! Yeah, um...I really don't know it seems its more in your face as time progresses. Definitely Maybe thats part of the whole revelation of The Method and a couple other books to recommend or Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare by Michael Anthony Hoffman. He gets into a lot of this stuff, in the works of James Shelby Downard who I've written about...written book about Downard, this revelation of method with all the subliminal imagery that there's processing that's going on over time that basically

32:08 leading this up to a point where we'll be totally controlled and as time progresses it becomes more in your face and more obvious. Maybe that's what's happening, maybe that's why its becoming more obvious that were getting close to whatever this End time weirdness 2012 is I don't know right we're getting very close to that. We're talking about belief I'd I don't know you can like You're saying when you start if you start connecting things you jump down a rabbit hole, I mean with my Manson book It's just crazy all the connections and stuff I found in that in any subject If you look hard enough

32:53 you're gonna start connecting things just so you know like in the Eyes Wide Shut I started seeing all of these this imagery and things that suggest, it was connected to Monarch and this Wizard Of Oz Imagery. It's much like the 23 number thing that Robert Anton Wilson and the Discordians got into they kind of Put it out there is a meme in popular culture that there was something magical to the number 23 and people started seeing it everywhere but I found when you start looking for things, you start seeing them. It's like this 1111 thing going on. I had some friends who are into that as well

33:42 This is another deal, but now I seem to...I'm noticing it all the time and it's something that was probably always seen. But now I kind of key into it a little bit at o'clock. It's 1111 or whatever. That's part of what makes it so weird because You've got skeptics who will say, well this is just part of you know This is a normal phenomenon for the human mind where you start connecting things and they're not necessarily related But then if you go into like even all the different subcategories of conspiracy like weather manipulation Then it becomes every single tsunami or hurricane is weather manipulation. Then you look at the whole angle of

34:23 the Project Monarch sex slaves becoming celebrities and then it becomes, oh well it was Madonna. It was Marilyn Monroe and its like...it almost seems like no one can get popular unless they were part of these satanic orgies. Its just a weird..oh also assassinations you get into the Batman killing that was mind control school shootings those are mind control and almost starts to seem Every event that is odd on the radar is connected to the same thing. You know, I almost find myself being like Is this just a normal weird thing? A weird phenomenon or is there something there because I'm still going to my nine-to-five job and it feels like none of this is really out there

35:08 And it could be something that's in the collective, you know, unconscious of the human race. These different memes and things get planted there and grow but you look... I remember we talked about some of the stars and you mentioned Britney Spears and Anna Nicole Smith. You know, the meltdowns they had, I remember Couple years ago with Britney Spears she'd whatever broken up and shaved her head, and they had to haul her away to the Hospital at one time and it looked like I looked like you know she had shifted Personalities. I remember the film of her She was screaming talking like kind of whining like a little girl, and she shaved her hand was like oh

35:59 Wow, that seems like a total... Right. If they're not in their right mind how can they reach that level of celebrity? It's just it seems like you have to be a pretty savvy business person, pretty motivated unless of course all of Hollywood is owned by the Illuminati or controlled by the Illuminati and they only let forth certain people now would also explain why everybody well lot of people i know seem too Not be entertained by the most popular of culture or the most popular music. Yeah It almost seems like it's just presented to us is like this is what you get, you know You like it or don't like it? It's gonna make millions. There you go kind of likely to Gaga though Yeah and all the weather stuff going on I mean

36:49 I don't know what the hell to think. I'm not, uh...I don't poo-poo it but when you totally subscribe to this stuff once again that could go too far and see something in everything but you know i've noticed Chemtrails, contrails whatever the heck they are become more prevalent over the years and it seems like you see these checkerboards in the skies these X's I don't know then yeah everything that is going on the east coast now with Hurricane Sandy. You know we've had

37:27 Nature is like that and weather patterns, you know every hundred years or whatever so I don't get too excited about it all but on the other hand people talk about preparing for worst case scenario. And folks should do that too. I think that's not paranoid So let's talk a little bit about your opinions on like the MK ultra mind-control assassins because I guess it seems like every high profile Killing as a suspect of mind control victim. Are there any that stand out to you is more obvious? Sir, Han sir han was a good case mm-hmm that he basically

38:15 written this diary where it looked like he went into a trance state and they used the diary during the trial. Basically his defense presented that he had gone into some sort of trance state, and Sirhan had no recollection of shooting himself All he remembered was going into the Ambassador ballroom where RFK spoke before he was shot. Went and got some coffee in the girl in the polka dotted dress Gave him some coffee, and he couldn't remember anything like that like he was given perhaps there was a drug with the coffee or there's some code word you know like the Manchurian cabinet You know I was encouraged to play a game of solitaire And how they wasn't Queen of Hearts or the queen of hearts

39:13 diamonds was basically that trigger. But if you look into the Sirhan, Sirhan case there's a lot of meat there I'm just touching on it a couple of things but you know some of the other ones one of the things I first tripped over or talked about in my research and wrote about...I think i was one of the first persons maybe the first I don't I'm not positive but Was the book The Catcher in the Rye and how the who was it John Hinckley? Who shot Reagan and Mark David Chapman also after he blew away John Lennon both both had a copy of The Catcher in the Rye in their possession, and there was like they were sitting there. I know Chapman was sitting there reading it very calmly

40:12 That's what they, you know... like he had just gone into his trance assassin mode and once that was done he had switched over into something else. So I conjectured back in the day and this is nearly 90s I wrote about it for Paranoia magazine that it was used as a mechanism of control. And I started looking into this and there was like okay I want to find out more about JD Salinger And I learned that he was mixed up with the OSS back in the day, who later became the CIA and that he was part of a group that basically

40:56 interviewed and brought a lot of these German people, the Nazis denazified them as they called it back in the day but really if you read into it were part of the project paperclip program so was pretty interesting that Salinger was involved in that. I found it funny...I think First person maybe connected those dots. I'll tell say I am I can't why not prove wrong later in the movie Conspiracy Theory with Mel Gibson they brought out that angle and chokingly, I was interviewed by this I think there's still around newsflash They were like a put out stories that would go go viral This is about a decade ago and radio stations would pick them up and they

41:56 And so they did that angle, some guy interviewed me and they did a couple things on me over the years. So they just take out sound bites and the interviewer said, you know I told him yeah Mel Gibson had ripped me off he'd heard this somewhere and said are you gonna Sue Mel Gibson I go and They're not do that, but I've taken out a court settlement or something So that's the new so got a little news play for awhile. And they got interviewed by some radio stations But anyway, we were talking cool. We were talking about it assassins

42:35 Oh boy, if you looked into... well I just wanted to say have you looked into a lot of the work? I've seen from years a little bit older or the interviews. I listened to her a little bit older But have you really looked into the Batman killing the most recent massacre a little bits Not much it was funny. I was in Colorado Where was I was in Boulder but I was also around the Denver Aurora area During that same period and I yeah, I think I was in Boulder that day. I was out doing some work and woke up and fired up the Laptop see what emails or whatnot? And I see this shooting This Colorado shooting a holy crap what's going on here? You know thought it's odd. I'm in Colorado not far from when this went on Boy certainly had all the earmarks of

43:32 You know another lone nut, you know there's a lot of people were alleging There was witnesses that there was a second person involved. I don't know A lot of people in the theater said that and uh well another weird thing about it Was that? Apparently there was an old comic book called the dark knight that Was you know is in the big line of Batman comics? but in that particular issue a man goes into a theater and he kind of goes crazy, and he shoots people and The man who goes into the theater has orange hair And if you look at the killer He dyed his hair orange and everyone's like oh. He was trying to be the Joker well The Joker doesn't have orange hair so the only

44:18 I mean, it seems like it might have came from that. In the same way you talk about the catcher in the rye... this particular comic being used as a trigger and you know they program him into thinking he's almost in that comic book or playing out that character. And another strange thing about it, and its much creepier if you see the picture rather than hear the explanation but during the London Olympics they did some really weird opening and closing ceremonies and in the closing ceremony some guys doing like a cheerleaders pyramid and they were wearing suits and they had the exact same hair. They had, you know orange hair that was all messed up and it looked just like him and it seemed really odd that they would... It's almost like they were parading their covert activities at the London Olympics

45:11 Crazy, yeah. I'd heard about the comic book... There's another thing you can point to other assassins when they did the court hearing for this guy and he looked all out of it like he had been drugged up Apparently, and I forget... it was like a woman in a red dress pink dress something stood up Not..I haven't seen the actual footage but said something about some program that the truth needs to come out about whatever. That's the last you heard of it about that was like oh what's The hell is that about? You know once again maybe was at some type

45:56 Trigger to put him in an amnesia state or was she really trying to reveal some truth about what was going on about all of this? Who knows. Yeah, I mean another suspicious Fact is that his father was involved in he was about to go public and exposing some evidence in the live or scandal Which was a big banking scandal we heard about for like half a day Yeah, multi-billion dollar banking scandal that you know not a big deal happens all the time. Don't worry about this Let's talk about uh You know the football game right? Yeah it seems like That kind of thing happens when someone tries to go public

46:36 Someone out someone in their family goes crazy or ends up dead. Mm-hmm Yeah, one of the I'm sorry I was just gonna say another like to get on to something that you have written about a little more is The JFK killings. I mean that's probably one of the highest profile suspects of a ritual killing. I know you wrote a book about the work James Shelby Downard and the whole idea, the concept of mystical type nominee? What is that? Oh yeah! Mystical toponymy Yeah that's a weird thing but there seems to be a lot evidence like again it's the dot connecting thing you know right

47:19 James Shelby Goundard was the great dot connector. Kind of a gonzo conspiracy researcher and I've written the book, James Shelby Goundards Mystical War. I first became familiar with his writings through what he's most famously known for is King Kill 33, which was co-authored by Michael Anthony Hoffman. And it was basically Downard's theories presented in this manuscript and Hoffman helped him write it as I looked into my research of Downard looked at some of the original source material he wasn't that

48:06 Talented of a writer. So, Hoffman his role in that was basically to help pull him together, pull his thoughts together and put it into written format but basically Downard presented the theory that Rfk's not rfk JFK's assassination was basically a ritual sacrifice all part of this revelation of the method that we have been talking about where it was used as a match mass ritual to kind of process humanity and cause a trauma to the psyche and basically

48:49 In so many words, tell the general populace that you're controlled. We took out the president when he crossed the line and you're all expendable." That was kind of this subliminal underlying message. Downer points to a Freemasonic conspiracy behind this JFK's execution in this huge ritual that took part on the 33rd degree latitude. That is what we call about the mystical toponymy, the number thirty-three supposedly it was the highest degree in Freemasonry and throughout JFK assassination number three comes up

49:40 Again and again, he's murdered by the triple underpass. There are three shots allegedly and there were three tramps, three assassins found in Daly Plaza Now this 33 latitude if you trace it across the country which Downer does in King Kill 33 manuscript He traces it to such places as South Carolina where, what's his name? Albert Pike founded Freemasonry and the such sites as Alamogordo New Mexico where they tested the atomic bomb that was later dropped on Japan.

50:25 And also the Roswell crash was on the 33rd degree and even Disneyland is on that 33 degree latitude. Some people suggest that Walt was a... Uncle Walt Disney was a Mason drag and there's even a 33rd or Club 33 there so anyway, it was downer its contention that JFK assassination was a masonic ritual that's kind of the Theme or the idea behind that theory. A lot of people for a long time they still do don't believe that James Shelby Downard even actually existed but

51:10 In my mind, the research I did showed that yeah he was a real living and breathing human being. Kind of larger than life character so that's why a lot of people think he was some type of literary creation constructed by Michael Hoffman and William Grimstead or Adam Parfrey who published some of his works It is a weird thing about the locations on the 33rd degree parallel. I mean they also talk about that if you go into other researchers who look into the ancient pyramids of the world, they're apparently also on some type

51:50 Grid which is weird because it's supposed to be a time where as far as we know there was no cross-continental communication But yet all these new structures are sort of Stonehenge also things like that seem to be on the same planes and it's it's odd because the you know as far as this shadow government or Illuminati or Freemasons their concern is there seems to be some type of knowledge of the universe that we just don't talk about. It's not taught in schools, it is sort of off the table and to me when you get into the satanic rituals and all that stuff like the really dark stuff that apparently is going on top of the pyramid...it seems like there something to this idea energy that we're just clueless about. Yeah these power spots energy nodes

52:42 William Grimstead, he was into this. He was one of Downard's prodigies and The Rebirth of Pan that is a real rare book but he talks about this spirit energy there that the Native Americans knew about. And, there was all these mounds that were all across the country that later got plowed over or torn down but my friend Andy Kaufman talks about some of these energy spots...the you know people who took over the Native Americans and massacred them and whatever ended up oftentimes building

53:25 military installations on these same power spots. So it's like usurping that power, they know there is some type of energies a lot of times... yeah spiritual spots churches whatever these will people when they take over the spot so put in their own power structures nowadays whether it's some military installation or what not Yeah, that's all part of the deal. And another interesting one is Disneyland I brought that up because another friend of mine Walter Bosley wrote a book called, I think he called it Latitude 33 where he had some weird experiences in Disneyland where on a carousel there basically said it was a type of interdimensional time travel

54:25 type of teleportation device. And they've removed that, the carousel I forget what the carousel is it's no longer there but he Walter claims he met some guy from the past or future that helped well he must have been from the past that was one of the architects of Disneyland Originally are involved in that and that they they knew about you know, that's why they built Disneyland Where they did because it was one of those power spots Yeah Disney is a weird a weird thing because everybody loves their movies. It's like every kid grows up on Disney movies and There are a lot of guys

55:09 I was saying, yeah they got all that crazy Illuminati imagery in their movies as well. Right! Now we have the technology to look at stills that you couldn't really look at back then and you can go online and find all these weird single cell shots where they'll say the word Illuminati or have the all-seeing eye There are a lot of researchers out there that are talking about the idea that every Disney movie involves some, you know, some Disney princess and what that is almost teaching kids is to be materialistic and you know...to be shallow. And to an extent I could see that! That's definitely a theme throughout all Disney movies—to have that female role

56:00 And maybe to be the princess in this fantasy world, you have to basically sacrifice something in yourself. It almost seems like the Project Monarch theme! Yeah and so all of these you know women who want to become these fantasies stars or whatever have to become part of that process and eventually it's tragic for them, the Marilyn Monroe whose Whitney Houstons of the world they eventually pay the ultimate price. There is also this isn't something that I saw in the books that you provided for me read but you also hear the idea of

56:56 like A lot of the musicians that are pretty popular have had strange deaths in their family. Kanye West is one, his mom died strangely during plastic surgery. Jay Z was dating Aliyah who died in a plane crash and he's one of the biggest moguls there is in hip hop and those are two examples but there seems to be kind of a lot of them I guess like that theory

57:41 that you don't reach that level of stardom unless you do make some type of sacrifice. Well yeah, you ought to write a book. You start talking about going down the rabbit hole and connecting those dots once you start looking for those things the hits keep coming it's like What's his name? Dave McGowan. Are you familiar with the research on Laurel Canyon and the stuff he has written about that? I've heard about Laurel Canyon, but not...that name doesn't ring a bell. Uh yeah the inside story of Laurel Canyon, Dave McGowan You can find his stuff on the web He hasn't uh..He decided not to

58:28 He's kind of a wry, humorous writer in his approach. Looking into the Laurel Canyon thing all the rock stars that came out of Laurel Canyon in the late 60s and all the Connections they had in their families to intelligence Organizations or military backgrounds and a lot of the same themes started coming up on again and again, and the mysterious deaths of all these different rock stars plugged into the community. And the history of Laurel Canyon is kind of a spooky area so that's kinda along the same theme as what we're talking about you know that went on in the late 60s You look at different people like Jim Morrison

59:28 His father was an admiral in the Navy, tied into intelligence and what not. He actually took part in the... What they call that fabled... It's basically a false flag operation that launched Got the Vietnam War going and Jim Morrison's father I was involved in that if you look at these different rock stars a lot of them had those Connections in their family once again talking about a bloodline or something. So, you know You ask yourself why were these to get people who are coming? Talking, you know they're involved in the summer of love and the anti-war movement and this psychedelics and you know, I guess

1:00:19 McGowan doesn't come flat out and say it, but that was part of a program that was basically being instigated there as far as this mass control society and part of the 60's counterculture. That's what people get into when they're talking about the Beatles and their connection to Tad The Stock. They were basically programming the 60s generation Yeah, and I liked reading a lot about that stuff in your work because most of my conspiracy knowledge is pretty much post 9-11 really. Because that's kind of what set me off in high school it just seemed so staged It just did not seem like a plane would knock up building down in that fashion

1:01:16 Guess that's just one of those things you either it just looks weird to you or it doesn't You know and the people that it doesn't look weird to them, and I can't really reach him but uh Yeah, you know before we before we wrap up. I wanted to give you a minute to talk about the Manson family because I know you've done so much research into that and You know, I've always only just known the cliff notes to it. You know pretty much what you see on TV but what are some of the misconceptions of The Manson situation and the killings there and kind of the strange connections that you've come across? Oh boy! I Know I know it's a big question

1:01:56 I've been talking about this and writing about it for so long, that I have forgotten half of what I learned about it all. But misconceptions... Well, let's approach it this way. conspiracy researcher by the name of Mae Brussell. You familiar with that name? Mae Brussels, no! Okay so I'm taking you back old school... All right and for let me preface going into Madsen talking about 9-11 my the Kennedy assassination was night my 911 that's what got me going in questioning everything everything that came afterwards

1:02:45 When 9-11, I had been looking at all this stuff for so long when 9-11 happened it was like oh here we go again. It's just review And so i'm kind of stuck into the old school stuff and every time one of these things pops up I go maybe its the same script they're using but So you're one of the new breed looking into this stuff. I'm the old school guy. And i like that, and i like that! Yeah...I should note uh.. I was interviewed not sure if you are familiar with Visigoth in a lot interviews he did Yes actually listen to that one yeah he has a 9-11 page on it if you can find his website where these subliminal images of nine eleven before nine eleven or everywhere

1:03:35 which is kind of weird, but so the Going back to Mae Brussel look look her up She's really one of the people that got me into looking at conspiracy research. She was this tireless Investigator she was like a soccer mom back in the day who came across the Kennedy assassination and Got interested and got all 26 volumes of the The Warren Commission report started going through and she goes, this stinks. So she started connecting the dots and she did a radio program and she did this for years looking...and there's hundreds thousands of hours of tape recordings of her getting into things breaking them down the last thing before she died under mysterious circumstances in late

1:04:31 80s she was looking into this military involved with Satanism and mind control, and that might have done her in. So Mae Brussel got me into conspiracy, and Mae Brussel was talking about the Manson family And she was usually I think sometimes she went off the deep end of the rabbit hole a little bit too deep but she was talking about back in shortly after the Manson family murders in the early seventies that she thought it was a military mind control operation and so that got me looking into a whole bunch of other theories that she normally people don't talk about they're talking about more about the Manson family, the conspiratorial aspects such as maybe Helter Skelter was kind of

1:05:27 The Helter Skelter Theory as presented by Bugliosi was a cover-up of what really went down that maybe there was some mind control aspects going on there, maybe the mafia was involved. There were drug burns going on and maybe the victims weren't as innocent as they were portrayed to be B, because they were involved in the drug scene. Manson had deep connections in the rock music industry and new people and movies so you got all these conspiracies going on that aren't normally talked about. So that's what got me interested in the Manson family story I think it was my long-winded

1:06:16 Answer to how I got involved in it Vincent Bugliosi's interested if you just start looking there. He was the prosecutor The DA for this thing back in the day wrote the book Helter Skelter which presented the theory that Manson was somehow influenced by You heard the music of The Beatles and that was one of the influences that caused them to do the mass murders there When you look at Vincent Bugliosi, though, Mae Brussel would be one of the first to point

1:06:58 Which did she call people like him investigators that get involved but will put out some of the truth, but not all of the truth and if you look later at Vincent Bugliosi he got involved in the RFK assassination and also wrote a book about The JFK assassination. The final word that it you know Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone assassin Yeah, kind of like almost like disinformation or withholding. Mm-hmm yeah a disinformationalist and so You know made Brussels paid Vincent Bogliosi as one of those that helped cover up What was going on behind the scenes with the Manson story? hmm yeah The Manson story is just it's really weird because you know the guy

1:07:52 Never killed anyone apparently no he's in prison for life They do he has some strange interviews on TV And he does he does not seem sane to me and the interviews that I've seen but you know He was deep into the music and subculture, and so You know, he had... something had to have happened somewhere it seems because if he was acting the way he acts now back then I just don't think anyone would hang around. Like, it just seems really weird. He's crazy like a fox! That's kind of the game he plays one time he says uh... he said... he'll say some interesting things in interviews and a lot of its gibberish but he'll throw out some nuggets now and then like

1:08:41 After he got locked up, he asked, so I want to know who was peeing on my leash. Which inferred that they had let him loose, let him out to do his thing and then they pulled him back in once he had served his purpose. After the murders there's a guy worked for the Los Angeles Sheriff's Office Preston Guillory, I think now he's a private eye and he was in some of his interviews with May Brussell. He said they knew Manson had this thing going on at Spahn Ranch there had been some rape charges against him but this was somebody who is on probation and they knew he had weapons there but the word Preston Guillory it was hands off

1:09:35 Manson for a period of time and he got frustrated wondering why they did that. He believed that Manson, they were using Manson as an agent provocateur whoever they is you know the alphabet soup agencies during that whole period of Cohen Telpro where they were infiltrating the hippie movement and the Black Panthers. And so ultimately Manson was used as a pawn in a big game here, which May Bressell said was to undermine the whole 60's

1:10:15 Counterculture and that after the Manson family murders it was a long time before you saw anybody with law With long hair looked like a hippie or whatever right portrayed positively in popular media Well that becomes the question is uh you know you look at this situation You're like well Why would this occur and it does seem like? The 60's to me just seemed like such a crazy time, and I I really like what i do hear about it but at the same time, it all comes through a filter. It's never really exactly as it was so... But you ask the why and really the hippie movement was gaining so much steam it seemed and it was all about

1:10:59 Love, love is the term they throw around more than any other. So now if you can find a guy who looks like that and is in that movement and is murdering people or suggesting that people should be murdered... You know you kind of throw a wrench into the whole movement really And I guess that seems to be part of the plan Yeah and I get into it a bit The whole LSD and how that was introduced At one time the CIA was the largest provider of acid on the planet. Exactly, there you go! How did it get out? Well they started first using it through programs in university and that's where Jerry Garcia and Ken Kesey and all those people got a hold of it but they also had safe houses set up in the Haight-Ashbury during the Summer of Love

1:11:59 where they, a notorious figure in MK ultra lore Louis Jolie and West was involved in some of these safe houses where they pick up some guy at a bar and dose them with LSD, take him back with the prostitute. Kind of monitoring... but they're also obviously putting this stuff out into counterculture that's kind of what undermines if you look in the early 60s with the youth movement it was more geared toward the anti-war movement and then in a kind of back to the land type of thing, getting off the grid. Then the drugs came into it and kind of seemed like it undermined first with the acid. And I think in some ways

1:12:50 that generation was some people were able to take the acid out away from the spooks and kind of illuminate their minds and find some truth but you know the heavier drugs came in all this kinda really undermined took the movement a different direction maybe that was the ultimate goal, you know? So I forget where Exactly, I was going with all this but researcher John Judge claimed that the type of acid that the Mancinoids were given was not your typical acid. It was the quote-unquote military acid and he actually had derivative of psilocybin

1:13:40 talked to John Judge and tried to find exactly where he gets some of his information sometimes. I'm not sure, but that was his contention that they were given the military asset and that there was...they had a naval intelligence handler. And actually Paul Krasner used to publish The Realist wrote a whole story about this for Rolling Stone magazine about The Manson family were infiltrated by this naval intelligence guy and they actually named him Nathaniel Dyke. Rolling Stone later got sued and retracted the story, so... I mean the more you look, the deeper you look into all this stuff it's like the less you're really sure about anything

1:14:30 Amen man, and with that said it's probably as good a place as ever to call it a day But I had a great time talking to you. I really like your attitude and the books You sent me were awesome the collection of your articles in The Beast Of Adam Garily And Happy Trails To High Weirdness or Awesome Reads And you're also a musician and this will mark the first time on THC. A guest has played us out of their own interview Is there anything coming up that we should keep an all-seeing eye on or something? You'd like to mention to the people I am working on a JFK assassination book and Nothing more than that is one who plug again to make my

1:15:13 Publisher happy they've done a great job with happy trails to high weirdness the conspiracy theorists tour guide so if you're gonna Look into one of my books. Why don't you buy that one? Yeah, and that is a good one because as I'm getting into this stuff... ...I start to think and with this show I'm like man.. ...I wish I could get more connected to the community or at least go to more conferences like the Conspiracy Con stuff like that And your book is really uh it's a narrative of those kinds of events in conferences and yeah It's really interesting. It's great Well, thank you and thanks for having me on. Yeah of course man and what's your website adamgoritely.com?

1:15:55 Yeah, there's that and I kind of have a goofy blog that doesn't have much to do with conspiracy. But anyway, go rightly at wordpress dot com where i feature a devil girl of the month and crazy bongo broad of the week and put up kooky christian album cover so thats kinda just a fun thing there And those who do Facebook, they can Facebook me. I'll take on any new friends and so yeah that's kind of my presence on the web there. Thanks for playing some of my music! I'm trying to start focusing a bit more too...

1:16:44 Alright, GoRightly. It's been a great chat I hope i can have you on again to talk about some of the other subjects in your repertoire You know what? I wish you well! Stay weird man Okay thanks Greg and keep up the good work Alright man take it easy Okay later People check out Adams book and website he is a cool guy When this airs the election will be over And it won't mean shit Hopefully you feel compelled to vote for Gary Johnson and my previous guest Jim Gray or more importantly, compelled to vote for the Hireside Chats in the Podcast Awards at podcastawards.com I really really want to win

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