THC 31: Jason Miller | Financial Sorcery

01:45 People, you can bitch about the financial elite's elaborate network of manipulation and control and the psychopathic suicide machine we call capitalism just to remain paralyzed and hypnotized by the fear of falling through cracks in a rigged game that you never had conviction to demand be evolved. Or, you can get smart and beat the Wizards of Wall Street and the Demons of Debt-Based Illusion of Scarcity with a little financial magic and sorcery of your own. And today's guest on The Higher Side Chats is the man to help you do just that! A lifelong student in magic and occult, studying the arts in New Orleans, Nepal, and across Europe...the author of Financial Sorcery Magical Strategies To Create Real & Lasting Wealth Jason Miller how are ya? I'm doing alright how are you? Oh I've never been better

02:29 Your book was actually a bit of a wake up call for me because I spend a lot of time stoned, lost on the internet listening to everything from whistleblower accounts of occult rituals among secret societies to occult symbolism in Disney movies and the dollar bill itself. And like a lot of people i'm up on the soapbox saying hey look at them you know looking what your leader doing it's not fair while being railed by the low end of the totem pole You know? It seems like there are a lot powerful people using magic why shouldn't we amirite You're absolutely right. Absolutely right in this world unfortunately, you know we are

03:06 stacked against us as far as attacking the problem from the outside. You know what I mean? So unfortunately, the old saying is a little bit true money talks and bullshit walks and you have to be part of the system to change it nowadays. That is true You know, I don't have much of a spiritual self but uh...I admire your dedication to learning and practicing all the occult arts. What are some examples of how you've used them in your own life? Well, you know I always tell people that. I mean i've done a lot of ritual. I've summoned spirits. I've Done Magical rituals for people for all kinds of conceivable reasons uh I have You know spent time meditating in charnel grounds and and Doing all kinds of strange things but the best thing that I

04:09 practice is just simple meditation. Just spending 20 minutes in the morning and 20 minutes at night sitting down, watching the breath, watching the mind for distractions getting distracted like you know every half second and then bringing myself back to the meditation I tell you, it is the number one way to develop magical skills. It's the number one way to control your mind. It's the number one way to attain freedom and once you have that kind of mind control and the patterns of your own minds start to become apparent as far

04:56 Well, where did these thoughts come from? Your site deals with a lot of things where you're encountering the system that's stacked against you. Not just political things – I mean, if you walk into an Abercrombie & Fitch and you are walking into A place that has been meticulously designed to make you think certain thoughts. 100% agree.

05:32 tell the mind to walk further in and then they change as you get deeper in. There are, you know, the men's section there is like exposed piping and things like that it's there purely to make me feel more manly and more likely to spend money. There's the music at a certain volume drive out mom and dad but keep you know, the juniors in with the credit cards. I mean it is a masterpiece of psychological manipulation so with meditation these kinds of things become apparent because you get to know your own mind. You get to know what thoughts are yours what thoughts are simply mechanistic reactions and what are you reacting too

06:19 Right. It seems like such an important first step, but so few people actually put the time in to benefit from meditation. I mean myself...I know you say you can't be bad at meditation but I just get distracted and have a hard time dedicating my time to it. Turning the TV off? Who wants to do that?! You'll thank yourself if you spend a week just doing it for 20 minutes a day, you'll want to go back. It's getting over that first few days. It's kind of like going to the gym. You know? You go once or twice... Another thing I don't do! Right well and I never did it and you know you go once or twice and your kinda like oh well you fall off the wagon but once you go for like a week or two

07:06 You start to feel just a little bit of what it gives you then all of a sudden. It's not a problem Wanting to go the problem is wanting to do it more and I had that problem And you know, you're not alone. I teach a lot of Magicians witches and occultist magic. I have my strategic sorcery course And the number one thing that people report back is, you know I don't want to meditate and I get it. You know what? A lot of people meditation is like an Eastern thing they want to be standing up they want to do rituals they wanna be singing

07:47 saying things, they want spirits to appear. Whereas in meditation I'm saying sit down don't get up and do ritual. If a goddess appears in front of you while you're meditating tell her politely that your meditating and go back to the meditation So these are, you know... There's a lot of resistance to meditation. But it is like working out! You feel better and you feel the effects afterwards. Well I am a big fan of the stories surrounding the abilities of Buddhist monks in the Himalayas because

08:25 It's sort of mysterious and there are a lot of unverifiable and outrageous stories. But you've lived in Nepal, and I know that you have an interest in those particular monks. Can you tell us any first-hand accounts or what is really going on up there? Oh... There, there! First of all even some of the guys who live in cities or just in monasteries who have very strong spiritual practice amazing powers. I remember going to see Lama Dala Chodak and I've seen lots of card readers and things like this, but I've never had someone pull a name out of the air. And this is a guy in Nepal literally on the other side of the world there's no one that knew this person's name was with me there in no conceivable way

09:21 That that he could have done it and he does this all the time And then you know, then there are the guys that are up in the caves that are Living in retreats. And these are the people where the really amazing things happen. That's what I'm hearing You know There are some things that I don't even like to talk about because they just sound hokey when they're coming secondhand But That's the real stuff of wizards up there. They're putting the time in and they're getting the result in accordance with that time, and

10:00 You know, I remember living in Parping which is outside of Nepal near Dakshin Kali which is a big Kali temple. But all of the sudden one morning we were about to start this Vajrakalaya ritual which was going to last for three days and all these nakpas these Tibetan sorcerers showed up and were all doing this together and then at the end of three days they're gone just like well Well, where do these guys live? Oh they're going back into retreat. They're up in caves you know. They're not like guys that hang around for you to chat with

10:40 So yeah, the real deal is still happening. And you know some of this stuff is verifiable I think it's Cambridge University that was doing studies on Tummo which is the inner heat yogas and You know they have monks on record getting parts of their body up to 117 degrees using nothing but their breath meditation What do you think the point of that is? Well, you know it's interesting because a lot of people Have a mistaken idea that the point of tummo is to generate heat and it would make sense In the context of Tibet because of course Tibet's very cold So you have this famous repa tradition where you know people vowed to wear nothing but cotton like mille-repa But

11:36 really to mode developed in india and uh... it developing quite warm climate so having done a little bit of tumult myself i can tell you that the point of tomorrow is not really could generate physical heat it's part of similar to kundalini your raising energy up the spine vital energy turns the volume upon everything And then this rises through the body and then you experience this ascending power which melts, it's said to melt the wisdom drop and cause a descending bliss.

12:13 And then it's in this state of bliss and emptiness that you enter into other yogas like the sex yogas and things like that. Right on! Yeah, exactly! Now on the subject of your book financial sorcery you talk about the spirit of energy or the spirit and energy Of money well like instead of avoiding it or fighting with it Like I'm sure most people do how should we change our relationship with it so that it works with us instead of against us? What is the spirit of money like?

12:49 Well, I give several qualities of the spirit of money. The spirit of money is related to time and money doesn't like to be wasted and so on and so forth – things like this. needs to move to accumulate a lot of people think in terms of Accumulated just you know Scrooge McDuck Grat gathering more and more millions to sit in his bank or really money needs to move to To generate even more money. So there are things like that, but our relationship with money is

13:29 We have to have a positive relationship with money, and it can be hard because we look around and we see people with money behaving reprehensibly. And it's hard to look at that and not see, oh you know that something I want no part of. It's just evil. And here is the thing – that take, that spiritual take, that anti-materialistic Renunciation take is a good spiritual take if you're really going to do it. So in other words, if you're saying I don't want to be apart of the system chasing after money and dealing with money and so on and so forth that's great become a monk become a nun

14:27 We've got Buddhists or Catholics. Or if you don't want to go that route, then come down here to New Jersey to Tom Brown's survival school and he'll teach you how to live just on your own with a knife in the woods. Right, ready for the collapse? Right exactly and just walk off into the woods and live like a wandering yogi or homeless mystic or something like that these are all I think these are all really good ways to go spiritually speaking Now are you gonna, are you going to do that? Right. Yeah so they're not that practical No but I mean But that's just it They're very practical All you have to do is show up and do it Fair Which has sort of cut off from 95% of humanity You will be And that's the point Is that

15:23 You can't have what I call barista spirituality, and this is what I had in the 1990s when 20-something generation X people were all quote unquote slackers in the 90's. And you know, we'd just work our little jobs that we didn't care about and say it's just I'm doing whatever. It's just to support my occultism or my music or poetry or whatever it is people were into at the time. But ultimately you're still working 40 hours a week.

16:02 And you still need money for this, that and the other thing. What happens is as you get not even much older – just a little bit older – the sort of bohemian trip starts to get old and you start to maybe think about if it's old now what is going to be like when I'm 70? I know, that's the real killer. Right and then jeez people are living into their hundreds so when i'm 70 you know and ostensibly retired I still might have another 30 years And then it's like holy crap. What am I you know, what am I going to do with myself? So what I'm saying is if you're gonna renounce money If you're gonna renounce finances then really renounced it don't like, you know Starbucks and be like unknown materialistic Otherwise your only other option is you have to master it because money is too powerful

17:05 to not either renounce it or master it. If you don't fully renounce, it will master you. I think if we look around at the world, you see a lot of problems caused by people mastered by their love of money and Completely agree. I mean it's no wonder people get so stressed about it on a daily basis You know you come home from a job you hate, but can't quite figure out a way around it? You know I come home and start suckling at the pity titty and numbing myself with a new season of The Office while I point my hatred at the 1% But your book brings up a great psychological barrier that people have that causes them to hold themselves back And that is having a misaligned setpoint Can you explain this setpoint

17:52 Absolutely. The set point is the idea that we have a place where we're comfortable and it's not necessarily the place that we want to be, it's the place where we think we should be and its deeper than the conscious mind. We can say all we want you know well I would what I really wanted to make $1 million dollars kind of vacation home in the Maldives and so on and so forth. But if we were raised with parents that were sort of, you know middle-middle class lower middle class

18:33 we tend to have a set point that's comfortable around 40,000-50,000 dollars a year. I think that's so true! Right and then people that are raised in poverty you know of course you want out... You say you want more but you're comfortable with so much less and then people will actually get defensive when people move out. This is why, you know, people that go to school in extremely poor areas often report getting bullied when they try to do their homework. They get bullied on a trajectory to go to college. You know it could be a racial thing, it could just be a class thing but this happens all over

19:27 Right. It's the insecurity that if, you know, Joey over there in the front row is doing well then that means I'm doing bad by comparison so let me fuck with him so we're all doing bad and I don't seem worse off Exactly! And it's amazing, you can sit there and if you're kind of used to poverty then having a job that gives you $25000 dollars a year might be right within your set point. Like I'm doing okay, I want more and you're gonna have money problems living in this country at that pay rate but you're used to those money problems so you don't work like crazy

20:11 But if you lose some of that, all of a sudden all stops are off. Every minute of every day is spent getting yourself back to that level." It's the same thing with middle-middle class. You're looking at making $50,000 a year or something like that and if you're making that and you're like yeah we really should make more, we would be able to save more for retirement, put more away, start a second business, do an income stream – we could be doing so much more with our lives than

20:47 And it's all like this idea of what I want and maybe I'm going after it a little bit, but all of the sudden if you have the rug pulled out from under you... If your job cuts your hours in half or something like that, or you lose your job and all of a sudden have to live on an unemployment check. Then all the sudden it's a mad dash, oh my god! The boat is sinking we have to fix this get ourselves back up to comfortable place. I mean people tend to look at ideas like magic and manifesting your own desires with the right intention or willing things, they look at that as new age bullshit but it is a matter of the set point because you probably worked real hard and dressed all sharp and pimped the interviews and made sure you passed that ridiculous drug test. You got the job and then you stopped

21:45 I mean, I say it all the time. I've watched five seasons of Always Sunny in Philadelphia and I wonder why my dreams are dying? You know you manifested your desire then you got lazy and bitter but how can we get out at that set point and manifest something a little more fulfilling Well, in the book I talk about how to move the set point in stages. The first step is to release yourself from that set point and I give all these sort of a ritual example on how you know, free yourself from that old thinking. And then the next is to prepare to have that set point moved so you start talking with people at the – that already have their set point where you want to have yours

22:37 You start associating with those people. Literally, you start mimicking some things – dressing like they dress, doing what they do and talking like they talk. I mean it sounds like your… Some people would say well you're not being true to yourself but all of these things are external. Like if you think that because you were raised to talk a certain way and you're changing that now that you're losing an essential part of yourself That's a pretty crappy sense of self. You know, so you transform yourself into what you want to become and then you ritually seal that and then you have to seal it again by actually achieving something at that level. So my example, my saint for this is

23:29 is Archibald Leach. Do you know who Archibald Leach is? No, but I like the name. Wow! Archibald Leach was born in 1904 and he kind of spoke with a stutter and a cockney accent not poverty but not well-to-do either did some vaudeville acts and things like that when it came to the states He looked around and he saw movie stars, so he decided that he wanted to be a movie star.

24:05 And so he worked on changing in his accent. He worked on changing his appearance, he worked on basically inventing a new self and you know taking on the initials CG because he liked Gary Cooper and who was the other one that had... Clark Gable? Yes, yes. You know he decided to reinvent himself as Cary Grant So Archibald Leach transforms himself into Cary Grant. Some people think of him as jokes, but people that are really hip to what he was doing can see that he was sort of enforcing it through a magical act in his movies – for instance in Our Girl Friday

25:00 There's a point where he is arguing with the mayor, and he says you can't tell me to do that. The only man who told me I couldn't do that was Al Travald Leach and I slit his throat ear-to-ear! So he talks about killing his own old persona in Absinthe and Old Leaf. You see where my head's at? Arsenic and Old Leaf, he is walking through a graveyard talking with his girlfriend and one of the gravestones that he walks on is Archibald Leech So, you know he keeps reinforcing this idea and of course you know Terry Grant also famously experimented heavily with LSD and so on. Some of the most fascinating people have experimented with LSD I can't say that i have but I definitely look up to a lot of people who blow my mind regularly who have

25:54 Well, you know It's it. It's the thing that people have done People do it works for some and it wreaks havoc for others Live on my block They don't have an address, but they live on my block. But for someone who's... you know we talked a little bit about practical things but for someone who is new to magic and kind of wants to test the waters and see what it brings into their life What would you recommend as an easy spell or practice that is most likely to yield some type of personal validation to the power of sorcery?

26:34 You know, a good one to just start off with that's really easy that doesn't get you involved in any kind of real funky spiritual powers would be a lodestone spell. So you can go to your local botanica and get a lodestone. You can order one online, just Google lodestone and get one from any number of different retailers. And it should be a fairly large lodestone not tremendous but you need large lodestone and then you need lodestone food. Lodestone food is just iron shavings

27:18 So what you then want to do is you want to fill out a petition. And this is simply a paper and you can make this out, if your religious person you can make it out to God, you could make it out the goddess, you could make it out whatever powers that you feel are there. If not, you can make it out to the universe or the power of earth Whatever your bag is, if you're an atheist you can just make it out and say I'm writing this letter to the universe because there's plenty of atheist magic too. So you write this letter and it basically just details what you want to draw to you

28:12 This should be something that is within the realm of possibility, but it's not easy necessarily. When we're setting our magical goals we want to look for things that we can work towards and we want to look for things that are not so improbable that it may as well be impossible. Unfortunately winning mega millions really does fall into this category. So, you know think of things like getting a promotion or finding that job if you don't have a job or find better jobs and take it out of the realm finances to find lover so on and forth.

28:59 Whatever it is, you want to just write this out. It's my desire to have possessed blah blah blah or to attain blah blah blah for my side business making t-shirts and double my sales in the next quarter. You write this petition out and you fold it up, fold it towards you because you're drawing something towards you. And then just place on a plate and then place the lodestone on top of that. Then every day sprinkle little bit of the iron filings on it. This is the lodestone full.

29:38 And you just say, as I feed you, you feed me. Or, you know, if I make this offering to you please offer the fulfillment of my request and you'll see things start to fall into place for the things on that petition to happen and really to fall into place absolutely now what's the mechanism there? Why iron? Well, you know iron a lodestone is a magnetic stone so Lodestone is a natural stone that at some point. It's been hit with iron lightning and it's been magnetized and So the iron will actually stick to the lodestone And it'll actually look like little hairs by the time you're done with it So you'll have this sort of metallic Chia pet looking thing after a few weeks That's interesting I mean in its tough to know

30:36 Because so few people even pay attention to their desires and goals once they reach that comfortable set point right there in the lower middle. So it's hard to know if just paying attention in general is helping you manifest it or if its the ritual, I mean in the end it really doesn't matter If your getting what you desire but maybe the ritual helps you pay attention on a daily basis and kind of puts it infront of you in a physical form But that's an interesting thing to try out. I'm probably going to try it. And remember, this is not just about the lower middle. There are – you know, I have clients for instance – I mean I have a lot of clients that contacted me for help finding a job or help getting out of debt but also I have clients who are already wealthy and they're contacting

31:28 They want magic to protect assets that they have set up. They've decided to put a certain amount of their assets into pure gold that they're going to store in a storehouse in Chile, and they want some kind of spell to make sure that gold doesn't disappear on them or you have people whose set point is already at lawyer, doctor banker level because that's how they grew up. That's where they grew up but maybe they feel an artistic pull so they want to have a set point

32:13 that's more bohemian because they're not really fulfilled doing what they're doing and they want to start making a living as an artist, but maybe they aren't going to be able to live the same way they've been brought up. Well that's also a challenge at this point so it can move up or down most of time we are trying to move it up Well, I mean i'll be honest with you the only way that I've ever tried to test the power of magic or a talisman Or you know my focused intentions The only time I've ever tested it is at the blackjack table and I've had no conclusive results But tell me why that's a bad test

32:57 Well, you know the blackjack table and any casino table first of all some gambling magic does work And if you're going to do it the blackjack table is probably one of the better spots to try it out. All right however the You know The place is stacked for the house to win of course And ultimately, it's a matter of affecting probability. Magic does two things – practical magic does two things pretty well. This is apart from the illuminative magic of spiritual growth and so on but practical magic does two things pretty well. It alters probability

33:44 And that's in direct relation to the power of what you're doing, the gift of the person doing it and so on. It can affect the minds of other people But you have to know which tactic you're taking. So in the case of blackjack, it's a matter of what are my chances to win and how much can I improve them? Now take me for instance. I have a natural aversion to gambling and my wife does not So we went down to New Orleans and a friend of ours made us a gambling gris-gris bag, which is a type of mojo bag they make in New Orleans. Gris-gris is grey grey meaning you know little bit black magic little bit white magic.

34:33 So I actually think the term comes from somewhere else, but that's the that's the legend they tell in New Orleans behind the turn but You know we took it and we went to Harrah's and I was holding the Grigri bag And you know I just We do have different gifts, and gambling magic is definitely not one of my gifts. So even with this Grigri bag in my pocket I still was just not pulling in any money off these slot machines. And finally I was like, well you know, I'm done because I'm not even having a good time anyway. And I handed my wife the Grigri bag and as soon as I handed it to her boom comes $160 bucks. Boom comes another windfall shortly after that. Did we walk away with millions or even tens of thousands of dollars? No but we walked away with a good bundle

35:34 All right, so that's what I know there are a lot of factors Now with the in the case of like the real long shot thing from lottery That's something that A Lot a lot of people put put a lot of time and effort into magically right just a waste of time Because me the odds are astronomical That you would win. You make a great point about the lottery in the book which is like you know Again people's criticism. I did the same I had an interview with a psychic last week And it's the same kind of criticism is that you know this kind of stuff either has to be 100% true or 100% bullshit and if it's if It's true Why can't you win the lottery? And you make the great point that there are millions of people putting their intention and putting their focus and energy into being the winner so

36:26 It's not like everybody is dormant and you're there trying to manifest your winnings of the lottery. You're competing against all other millions of types of energy, and I think that's a reasonable answer for why you can't win it. Exactly! I mean apart from that just one in something like 180 million as the odds is not not great to begin with. I think when I was researching the book, one of the researchers that I quoted from had said you're four times more likely to die in a car accident on your way to buy a ticket as you are winning this thing

37:08 So yeah, you know if you can reduce your chances by 99% That's still a terrible odds. You know so well tell me about the idea of There's a good chunk of the books about offerings How do you build a relationship with the universe and how do you like? How do you give offerings I? Well, you know there are a lot of traditions where offerings of light, incense and food and so on are given. And if your from those traditions then obviously you already know how to make offerings or extend them out into other areas beyond that but for the normal person in sort of Protestant America that's not really used

38:03 offerings and things like that. I tell people to start with either incense or light, or even just rubbing the hands together and offering the warmth holding them out on a as if you're offering a plate and then let the warmth sort of drain from your palms But you know the idea behind it is is fairly simple, you know if you think of Just people and your interactions with people You know you and I have never met before tonight So right if after the you know The phone call was over. You were like hey dude can you loan me a hundred bucks? I'd probably say no Because we've never met you know

38:53 Nothing other than this interview and some common interests between. If you asked a co-worker, Maybe they'd say yes, maybe they'd say no because you have some history there. You have a shared history. Maybe you've bought her lunch at times in the past and she's reciprocated or you know, you brought in donuts and so on and so forth but this exchange of goods and services doesn't have to be things it could just be favors. It builds relationships

39:32 And then if you ask your best friend, like dude can I borrow 100 bucks? If your best friend is my best friend he would just whip out a hundred bucks and say yeah here man. Is everything alright do you need more money is this gonna cover ya? So that's because you have years of experience of that kind of history, of time spent and buying him a soda, paying him – buying you movie tickets. Things like that. These kinds of things build relationships which is why when people go out to dinner rather than divide up the check every time it's nice for somebody say well we got it this time

40:21 somebody else. It all equals out in the end, unless you know somebody's uber wealthy and then... So you gotta just not ask for things from the universe? You got to build a relationship make some offerings and maybe good things will happen! Exactly. If you go out in the morning and you, you know, offer... if you don't want to do incense, pour yourself a cup of coffee and pour a cup of coffee for the spirits of the ground so then you go outside and you offer it to universe I like to offer liquid in the morning like that to the ground then offer incense smoke to air

41:04 And, you know, you have sort of all your elements covered. You have the material in the liquid and then the liquid itself covers earth and water. Then the fire that lights the incense and then clouds of incense itself cover your fire and air. So this is a good way to make offerings. And you address the beings of your locale, you address the beings of Jupiter universe if you want to get involved in the sort of planetary magic that I adhere to in the book

41:44 But yeah, that's how offerings work essentially. And then of course they can get more particular based on what you're doing and whom you're doing it to. Right! One thing you mentioned that was pretty curious to me that I thought was a little weird is that sex can be used as an offering? How does that look as opposed to just regular sex? Well, you know this wouldn't be something you would do to like local beings that live in the backyard or something like that. But this would be an offering to the divine energy from your sex act and offer it up

42:27 You dedicate it, you know in the way that a book a book dedication is an offering to someone Offerings aren't always material. You know and acts can be material Or acts can can be offerings So in this case your offering up, you know this act the merit accumulated by this Act me The energy accumulated by this act you're offering enough to gods, goddesses and the powers that be. That's one of them I think I said use this mindfully and skillfully

43:09 That's some advanced level offerings. Yeah, that is one of the more advanced ones. Well you know I really believe that the reality is that most big companies look at customers employees and people all the same which is constantly shower them with empty kindness and shallow praise while trying to give them the shittiest deal possible so to me entrepreneurial ship is really the only way to go but it is scary what magic would be helpful for somebody like me Well, there are a number of things. In the book you had mentioned Jupiter and in the book I give the glyphs of Jupiter, the set of 16 sigils that's specific to

43:54 It's typically channeled to help in financial magic. So there is a money-drawing glyph that you might use to attract capital now, and you might not be going to bank for loan but you might decide to do something on Kickstarter or something like that to get a project going and accumulate money that way. or to do it even more grassroots and just pass it around up on your website. I remember when Randy Mulholland, the illustrator and author of the Something Positive web cartoon

44:33 People were complaining, oh this is supposed to be every day. It's not every day and he said well guys pony up or shut up I currently make $35,000 a year and if you guys donate $35,000 I will quit my job and do this cartoon for the next year And that's exactly what happened As far as I can tell it just kept going on from there He was able to set up advertising So you could use your money drawing sigil for that. Then you can use your entrepreneurial sigil or glyph to

45:10 Help you navigate You know some of the tricky waters for instance if you have a day job Then how do you make the time to work on this? Entry entrepreneurial venture as secondary income stream and then when it gets big How do you make the jump this is a you know, a huge problem for people Right, you know things are set up to just like do it with their own sweat equity And then if he gets if he gets hop and then all of a sudden they have no time and they still can't keep up with orders Because they also have their day job But maybe things are not quite good enough for you. Just say hey I'm bailing on this day job entirely You know the owner of FUBU. I can't remember his name now Shark Tank Damon Johnson or Damon John

46:03 That's right. He worked as a waiter at Red Lobster, and he would tell stories that he was regularly having customers coming in wearing his clothes. Because his company was that successful, but he was still like am I really going to quit this job? And of course everyone from the outside at this point was like yeah dude quit that fucking job. I'm sorry didn't mean to use that language but you can think about it I'm sure

46:39 But, yeah man quit that job and of course finally he did. Most of our ventures are not going to take off as big as FUBU did So then it becomes an issue of how do I make that. You might run into issues with taxes or operating under the table for time, so there's the protection from law. This is nothing shameful this has a long American history. Sears and Roebuck was started off by the founder Sears

47:19 pedaling watches while he was working at the train station. So when people would come in and he would do his job on the platform, he would all of a sudden whip out a tray of watches that fell off of a truck and then pocket the money and it was all done under the table. Van Heusen Clothing Company, fairly pricey shirts that you You see all over outlet malls and things like that. Yeah, they started in a completely under the table business with a street cart in Philadelphia so you might have that to help you with those issues. So the glyphs I would turn to the glyphs to make your entrepreneurial visions happen

48:07 Gotcha, and see that's the point that I'm at kind of is that transition period from day job to you know getting my life back. And it is a tough spot but for someone who may be a little bit earlier on the path You say That you know you mentioned finding your business by performing an invocation To draw an idea to you But how does someone do that and interpret it correctly? Well, you know an invocation to draw your idea for you. We've been talking a little bit about Jupiter but Mercury is the planet of intelligence and ideas and so on and you know invocations can essentially be like prayers So you get... You can go online in Google Orphic hymn to Mercury

48:57 And on a Wednesday, which is the day of Mercury and at sunrise which is the hour of Mercury On Wednesdays it is anyway you get up and and you say this orphic hymn and Or just you know I Generalize him to the powers of mercury and intelligence You ask for an idea. Please send them to me, inspiration for my new business and not just Mercury but you can do it on Sunday with the powers of the sun also covers inspiration

49:35 You know, keep doing that kind of thing. And what you then want to do is pay attention to the world around you. You want to pay attention to what people say to you. You want to leave a little time every day not just spending meditation but just to spend sort of in silent mindless occupation, so like mowing the lawn driving things like that. You ever notice how ideas come to you when you're mowing the lawn or while you're driving and then you're like oh man I gotta write that down and then later when you actually have the ability to write it down its gone? Right well thats because while your mind is just sort of occupied with a mindless task

50:25 It opens itself up. You're not experiencing the discipline of meditation, but you're also not experiencing the occupation of everyday life either. Yeah, you kind of do have a quiet mind during those activities. Yeah! So you come up with these great ideas and have a phone with Evernote loaded on so you can just whip it out and record your idea. And then there are other things that you can do, sit down, write a list of everything that you like to do

51:02 of everything that maybe you can do but you don't necessarily like to do. And then, you write a skill list for each of those headings. In other words I like to practice mixed martial arts well what are the skills involved in mixed martial arts? Okay so you know on I do some training and I do this and that you know i study a little bit anatomy global whatever it is and you take a look at those things and start smacking them together You know, so for instance I know somebody that is really into astrology and they came to me and said you know. I keep trying to get my astrology business off the ground but it's really hard there are so many astrologers out there and I don't know how to really make myself do this. So I talked to her and what else she loves? And she listed a couple of things. She says she loves horticulture

52:01 So I said, well there you go. There's lots and lots of astrological lore surrounding plants why don't you do all kinds of astrology but specialize in horticulture? And take out an ad in a horticulture magazine rather than an astrology magazine because you'll be one of 150 names in the astrology magazine but you'll be the only astrologer in the horticulture magazine Touche. So and as soon as that happened, then things started rolling and then people that were into horticulture also tend to be the type of people who might frequent astrologers as well so they would come to her not only for horticulture questions but for general horoscopes and things like that as well

52:52 Right on. You gotta find your angle, right? Well what would you say...you kind of touched on this but what would you say to people because I think there's probably some of them out there who see this manipulative structure and their time and happiness that they're losing from their job they decide to quit participating just try to be happy with a hippie lifestyle without money it does offer a lot of challenges but i know some people trying to do that what advice would you have for them Think it through all the way. Right, it's tough to get back on the wagon Well yeah, it can be tough to get back on the wagon but think it through all the way and that's you know That I think what people didn't do

53:40 that came up in the 60s and 70s, and so on. And of course the occult and magical witchcraft community has an overabundance of these sort of anti-materialist types whereas occultism used to be the provenance of trust fund babies and well to do it flipped in the 50's became this very bohemian thing to do. So it's tied in with this sort of hippie anti-materialist philosophy that it doesn't necessarily need to be, but think about you know I would just say well okay how are you really being outside the system?

54:29 Are you just saying that? Right. Are you, you know are you not participating by like sleeping on people's couches and because that is going to get old? Think in terms of your life overall. You know if you are spending your 20s sort doing the hippie trip, which is a great time to do the hippie trip. Well then you might just realize that you might find yourself wanting more later on and it might be a little late to take on certain tasks or more difficult to take on certain tasks as you get older

55:22 Or you know, you might find yourself the 40 year old guy working at the mall. You know? That's a sad reality for some I mean you said it best in that money is too powerful to just ignore. Your gonna have to deal with it so why don't you practice mastery of it rather than just being subservient to it or trying to live without when you really can't Right! One of the best ways for people that don't want to be trapped in the system, they don't want to be trapped in the rat race. That kind of thing? Public service! It's a crazy thought because you're working for the government I mean that is THE system by definition except where else are you going get that job security

56:18 Yeah, keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Right there is no real rat race in public service It's not so much of a meritocracy it's more about how long you've been there You are You know you have to really really really screw up to get fired you Are probably going to get more time off than at almost any private company that you work for. So, you'll be starting off with many more weeks of vacation, many more sick days... Yeah, use the inefficiency of government to your advantage. Yeah you know I mean if you have to have a job and and you want to be able to go to festivals all summer and things like that um... You know the state job is going to offer you a lot more freedom than the barista job Right Even though it's ostensibly for the man Another thing is that it seems like magic and spirituality

57:24 They have a prominent place in almost every society but ours. You know, occult symbolism is in the shadows of our most successful corporations and institutions it's right in the logos of a lot of them But do you think it's been weeded out of mainstream culture for a reason? Well, first of all there's always There's always occult side of things that's hidden in whatever culture you're in. So, you know, you can go to India and there still... if you really talk about Tantra and you talk about hardcore tantrikas like the sadhus that's not exactly mainstream culture over there

58:13 And we certainly have plenty of religion and spirituality here. It might not be good spirituality, I'm thinking of like Republican prayer breakfasts and things like that but it's there so you know it's there overtly and then there is the covert kind of stuff that is done under the table by some and not by others. Anytime that you say, faith is not enough I want experience

58:51 You fall afoul of both secular materialism, which says there's nothing to experience so what are you looking for you weirdo? And you fall afoul of mainstream religion which says no. Your supposed to have faith in what I'm telling you So this is where the faith versus, or pistis versus gnosis versus agnosis comes in to put it into Greek terms. Pistis would be faith, gnosis would be knowledge and agnosis technically would be ignorance but it would be you know the acceptance of not being able to know

59:35 So we could look at mainstream religion as being a representative of piestas. We could look at secular materialists as being representative of agnosis, and then we would look at mystics as being representative of the viewpoint of gnosis. There seems to be finally some global outrage over the unfairness of the monetary system in general and a desire for change but also an ignorance about what to fight for. And there's a bit of media blackout over what happened in Iceland, but I've heard you talk about it before can you clarify?

1:00:15 What's going on over there? Well, you know this is... Iceland was one of the first countries to fall so to speak in 2008. Their economy almost It's not even pretty much. Their economy collapsed and because, as Forbes magazine put it, they were a hedge fund that issued passports. They were so deeply involved with the banking system – the shadow banking system – and

1:00:56 And there were so many derivatives markets that when it crashed, their country is small enough and their economy was so deeply invested in it that it just went belly up overnight. Of course, we started to follow down that road and lots of Europe started to follow down that road a little later. But what Iceland did was rather than protect the people who did it – you know protect the shadow banking system which just sounds like something that should be the antagonist in a James Bond movie. Exactly! Rather than something that actually exists and is supposed to be okay, they started arresting bankers and they started telling

1:01:50 world, you know, the continent would say well you owe our banks blah-blah and they'd say no we don't. They're like no we don't because you essentially fraudulently got us involved in these kinds of things that no one had any way of knowing how mismanaged you were making them and so on. They basically just refused to accept that they owed this money They're a nation, and when you're a nation you can do things that maybe the individual better can't do. And there low and behold their economy is recovering twice as fast as any other European economy

1:02:40 Yeah, that seems to be the fact there's a lot of fear and we're pumped a lot of fear about you know We can't let these banks fail. They're too big You know everything is gonna suck if they fail and we're never gonna get out of this mess But no that's just the people who are scared for themselves Telling us like hey you need us you need us I promise I swear you need us you've always had us you need us now don't get rid of us And here we are we don't But yeah, you know sometimes. I hope now I don't want to say I hope for a collapse But that's really things got to get a lot worse before they're going to get better Sadly I think you're right You asked about a second you know secondary businesses now is a good time to go you know Open up the first bagel shop in Rekovec so amen

1:03:29 Well that about does it Jason. Thanks for getting deep with me about this, you know I really recommend Financial Sorcery for anyone who's interested in putting some of this into practice Where can people keep up with you and what's your next project? What are you working on well? I am working on a book This might just be a chapbook called extreme financial sorcery Everything in the book uses sorcery, so it's not mainstream by definition. But the things that I try to get people to do are more or less normal – get out of debt, find a job, start a business, be successful, save for retirement and so on and so forth – not really earth-shattering things in there.

1:04:18 As far as the steps that you take. So in extreme financial sorcery, I apply sorcery to sort of more extreme ways of dealing with that. If you're in a lot of debt perhaps it's time to just take a year and make it the worst year of your life to couch surf rent-free or live at parent's house again, work two jobs and never go out. Never see anybody just work for a year and then you wind up with $40,000 or $50,000 bulk at the end of the year that you can pay your debts with.

1:05:04 say doing something if you're on the other end of the financial spectrum, things like the five flag theory protecting against economic and other types of catastrophic collapse at home. How to get a second passport? How to establish banking in other countries and so on and so forth stuff like that. There you go The Romney stuff. Yeah, exactly radical So that kind of thing I'm working on I'm also working on my second course Which I'm very very very late with lessons on right now But thankfully I have I start off courses with you know some of my more experienced students that know You know are a little patient so it's the strategic self course and

1:05:58 I have already 400 and some odd people in the strategic sorcery course, and that's always going strong with cycles starting every quarter. So now I have my strategic self-course that I'm working on which is a course that focuses on self transformation. Nice! And what is your website? The website is innomanandum.com, that is I-N-O-M-I-N-A-N D-U-M but you can just google strategic sorcery and you'll find me. I was going to say that's a bit of branding challenge Yeah yeah I'm working on that now

1:06:39 Well there you have it people, the very magical Jason Miller. Stop using your will and intention to maintain the status quo and start thinking about how to make money your bitch instead of whoring your life at some corporate job for a few fleeting glimpses of greenbacks Any last words for the young Padawans, the higher side chefs? No I want to leave them with your words. That was a great way end the interview Don't be a slave to money make it your bitch Boom there it is alright well thanks again Jason really appreciate it

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