THC 24: Joshua Shapiro | Crystal Skulls & The Paranormal

00:04 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed a nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times but we're far from 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration We offer a fresh conversation! Well pack your bowls and smoke your coals people because today we're going to talk to a man that I would consider a supreme authority on a type of object. I occasionally hear referenced in 2012 prophecies as well as stories about Atlantis, i've seen him in Stargate SG-1 Indiana Jones movies and Dan Aykroyd's Liquor Cabinet if you're still guessing or you didn't think to read the title of the show i'm talking about

00:56 crystal skulls people, and Joshua Shapiro. He's been on The Case for over 25 years. Josh thanks for being on the show how you doing? I'm doing great Greg how about yourself today? Never better! You know lately I've been kind of drifting away from your typical Alex Jones Illuminati type stuff and getting into the more metaphysical cosmic hidden knowledge side of things and you don't get too far without hearing about energy and crystals And the real papa bear here is the crystal skulls. Tell me what we're talking about when we say crystal skulls and how they become such a big part of your life? Okay, well as the term implies, we're speaking about this skull close to human bone skull that's made out of quartz crystal was originally

01:44 Crystal skulls were defined as now crystal skulls are any type of skull that's kind of done in a similar fashion made from different types of gemstones. But I need to share with your listeners, although there are people who have great affinity for all the different types of crystal skulls that are carved now, for myself I feel the strongest affinity for quartz crystals So that's kind of what I specialize in. Now, I specialize in that probably because as you were talking about related to the concept of energy You know? I believe each person is a unique note and God's infinite symphony Is a unique vibration

02:33 And so each one of us is going to have our own set of unique things that we feel a vibrational affinity for. So this is the only way that I can try to explain for myself why quartz crystals and the quartz skulls, now I also think it has to do with if you go into the paranormal, the idea of reincarnation that there have been other lifetimes that I've had where I have worked directly with the crystal skulls. So it's kind of like a continuation of where I left off, wherever that was you know could have been in Atlantis or Egypt or the Mayans There are a lot of different cultures that talk about these crystal skulls so as far as where i've been with it

03:27 When I first got involved in the spiritual metaphysical, it wasn't my intention that i was going to be working with crystal skulls. Right? I kind of came upon it when I met one back in 1983 an amethyst crystal skull which today people call Ami and that comes from a name given to this particular crystal skull from one of its former guardians he was the only one that really understood it and saw it as a special artifact that was here to assist humanity, and to assist people that the skull is meeting for healing. That's kind of like when I had contact with this skull first. I was just looking at a picture of it, and I had like an inner earthquake going on inside my body

04:20 And then when I finally met the skull, I felt an energetic connection to it. And that energetic connection has been with me since that time." So, sometimes what happens is you're going to have an experience with something that you have no intention of. You don't plan it but it comes up and then it's kind of like you have to make a decision. Am I going to do something with this? Am I gonna pursue it? Is it crazy and I should forget about it? Well obviously when I met this particular skull it struck a note inside me and I felt there was something important about it

04:59 and I had no clue where it would take me or what i would be doing all these years but, I just had this sensing inside and that's never died. That the crystal skull are one of the ancient tools let say from prior civilizations that are returning now to help humanity create a planet of peace and harmony. That has been my feeling since 1983 when I was looking at picture up this crystal skull called Ami Now, does that have anything to do with… I've heard of vaguely the legend of the 13 crystal skulls. Are you familiar with that legend and why 13? And where did that start? Yes, I am familiar with the legend but first what we should talk about is number 13 or one surrounded by 12. There are many people who believe

05:56 that our solar system actually has 12 planets that go around the sun. Now I think the scientists are pretty clear based upon the orbit of Pluto, they can sense and predict if there's another mass that is having an effect on a planet. They can kind of see it. I think there are quite a few scientists now who are pretty sure that there might be another planet beyond Pluto. It might be a very small one. Some people have called it Vulcan so that would give us ten

06:33 The other two planets could possibly be in front of Mercury, in the corona of the Sun where they would not be visible to the naked eye. Really? Yes and this idea actually comes from an early UFO contactee let's see if I can remember his name This is the thing, I'm getting on 57 going on 58 and I find that I am starting to forget the names of things. Let's see Other Tongues Other Flesh was the name of a book where this was talked about George Hunt Williamson that is the name of the author actually had one letter correspondence with him

07:13 and then I never heard from him again, he kind of disappeared. Anyway George Williamson was the one that I remember reading in this book Other Tongues Other Flesh where he said that sometimes in the sun you can see what looks like flares and he thinks that those flares could be the light coming from these two planets because according to what he said, and according to another gentleman that I met in Portland Oregon even before I met the Crystal Skulls when I was kind of traveling on faith Ed Palmer was his name

07:52 He also was another one of these guys considered to be early UFO contactee. He was talking about not only that he was an exchange baby, meaning that there were his parents and the child they had was given to some extraterrestrials. Apparently this race looked human-like although when he said he was x-rayed there were some things about his physical body which don't totally match the normal the body of a regular human. I've never heard this, who is this? Ed Palmer was his name. He was in the Portland Oregon or Eugene Oregon one of those two. And he's basically claiming alien origins that he was swapped at birth

08:38 Yeah, that his parents were extraterrestrial and exchanged him for the Earth baby. Because when I went into his house on a wall he had another solar system and said this is the one I came from with totally different planets than what we have here. Anyway, he had a book where he wrote about how planets are created. He said they start as a gaseous substance That's in rotation, the heavier particles form the crust of the planet and the lighter particles for a mini sun. That's at the center. So it says that every planet is created this way.

09:19 So, the Earth, the Moon etc. If this is true it would mean the light from the inner sun coming through an opening at the poles of these planets that would be hit by the corona of our Sun which would be seen like a valence or something where there's kind of like a light that comes out of the Sun or something could actually be these two planets that are hit by that light giving us 12. So that's what he speculated on. And so is the skull to represent each planet in our solar system? No, from the theories that were given and this mostly comes through indigenous people

10:01 There was one person, Harley Swift here. Again I don't know if this is true but I just have the sensing that there's something about the number 12 surrounding 1 because it comes up in many of our world religions. Yeah Jesus and the twelve apostles Exactly and in Judaism which I was brought up with its the Levite and the twelve tribes of Israel where the Levites were the priests So, this 12 in 1 has something to do with the evolution of humanity and I guess the reality that we live in. The possibility that there could be 12 crystal skulls surrounded by a 13th one is the theory that comes up from some of these indigenous cultures

10:45 Another gentleman that we interviewed this was for the first book that I was involved in with Crystal Skulls Which was co-authored by FR Nick Nasserino Sandra bone and myself called mystery of the crystal skulls revealed released in 1989 And there was this gentleman that we met in Sacramento, California Who he claims? He was taken on board spacecraft That he went into the inner earth which would support the theory I told you about, this inner sun and then there's people living on the inner surface of the earth and then there are people living on outer surface of the earth. Rick? I've heard a lot about the inner-earth theory it's actually pretty interesting but the thing that gets me about it is I just can't imagine that if there was another race living inside the Earth they wouldn't want to come to the surface, you know? They would be comfortable being inside like that

11:43 Well, there's a book that I just finished reading called Talos. Diane Robinson or something like this was receiving mental telepathic communication from people that lived inside the earth and also people who lived underneath the ground in between the outer an inner surface So there's kind of like cities, like in Mount Shasta. Now I believe in this because the first time I went to Mount Shasta what happened to me is that I just kind of went there on faith and didn't have very much money with me

12:20 And all I did when I first arrived and was let off is kind of walk towards the mountain. And I'm sure it was quite far but then it was like something knocked me out, like I went unconscious but there wasn't intelligence that was behind this unconcious The only sensing that I have is, I had contact with some kind of people that are linked to Mount Shasta. Whether it's a city in another dimension that's above it or a city that's under the ground that might also be in another dimension. Then a voice told me, he said look go to a hotel and get a good night's rest

12:58 Then the rest of your trip here will go fine, which basically it did because then I felt well. I got to go see this woman who was kind of a channel for ascended masters and then another young man came in and she connected me with him And they had like a boss They were in the area and I stayed with them and then when it was time for me to leave I found a couple that Needed to leave and you know we hitchhiked all together and I went back to San Francisco where I was staying before that so But the reason I bring this up is because from that first trip, whether they took me out of my body or something � I don't know. But I know that I had a contact with some intelligent beings linked to that mountain and then in this book Telos where this lady's getting direct communication, they explain exactly why they're not making contact with us

13:55 And basically what they're saying is that the people who choose to be on the surface of the earth in third dimensional reality They are choosing to be in this reality for the specific lessons that we learn. We have good and evil here, we have our emotions – sometimes we're joyful and happy other times we're unhappy or depressed or angry but this is part of this classroom in God's infinite universe According to the people in Talos, the city under Manchester they used to live on the surface. They said that when they lived during the time of Lemurian things were a lot different than what we have now on the surface. There's been a lot of contact with some extraterrestrials who are not here for our highest good and have tried to take advantage of us and all kinds of scenarios that have gone

14:59 And so what happens is this Earth, the way that it is on the surface provides for all of us specific lessons that if an advanced race such as themselves with great technology came in they could solve every problem that exists. Right but we gotta have a choice Right, we have to have the choice. That's a very common theme with UFO abductees and contactees. It is almost always the same and it is the same with 2012 prophecy where they talk about how they had a chance to make a switch to elevated consciousness things like that I mean a lot of those stories are coming up from different areas and all seem to have the same message

15:47 Right. But I believe that starting now in 2012, because again, I don't know how to prove this but it's a feeling that there has been some type of shift on the vibrational level probably where the planet at least on the surface, the reality we know is getting faster and faster vibration How this affects people is, let's say they have challenges in their life whether it's anger or confusion or situations that are bothering them.

16:28 Right. Well, that's what's happening is the vibrational frequency is getting higher and higher whether you want to or not It's going to come up I definitely see that on the internet there's a changing of philosophies like the philosophy of Sharing as kind of overtaking the old capitalistic model. The Occupy movement was a big part of going after the richest of the rich and having more for everybody, and that is kind of in line with the ideas of the New Age movement. And it's very funny that we kinda seem to be living in that storyline although we are halfway through 2012 and things better get serious because

17:03 we don't have a lot of time left and if this election is just left up to obama and romney i mean that just seems like the same old thing. I'm going to be pretty disappointed because 2012 was supposed to be a spectacle Well, I'm not sure. Maybe we'll see a 9-11 that's a positive 9-11. Whoa! Oh, oh... Okay and now give you couple of possibilities of what this could be One of the things that were looking at is we're interviewing with mediums because i would like to have conversation with some beings in other dimensions

17:39 Now I think from all of the UFO activity that we've had, it's pretty difficult to try to totally disprove that every single case that has ever happened. That every single person who has ever had an experience is all fantasy There's obviously a contact that is going on, but I think the extraterrestrials – the more positive ones – have the same challenge like in Star Trek. We just talked about if we have these advanced beings that are living underground in these cities or in the hollow Earth why don't they make contact? They have to be really careful because there is a destiny

18:20 that humanity has. It's like if the extraterrestrials go too far, or the inner earth goes too far then it impacts our individual and collective spiritual evolution that we're going through. Now coming back to the mediums – with the mediums what the transmedium have helped us is these are special individuals who who have a spiritual gift that they act as a communication portal. I mean it would be the same thing for example you know you're listening to the radio right? Well, you cannot hear with your human ears those radio waves unless you have a radio device that can link into it and then play it for you so the medium is the same most of us

19:08 cannot clearly hear spirit, although there is one thing that's quite interesting. I met with a woman who is a guardian of the crystal skull and her father was very high up in the early days when television came out and radio. She told me point blank she said there are certain channels, certain frequencies that they will never ever allow a radio signal or television signal to be on because spirits are talking on those channels. Now one of the things that has happened around mediums

19:47 There are two different types of mediums now. There are mediums that use what's called ectoplasm, which is a white milky substance that comes out of their orifices. It�s some liquid type substance that comes from the energy of the physical body and the spirits can work with the medium to have it come out and then they could physically manifest in So there have been cases where this has happened. We have a friend here in the Seattle area, he uses ectoplasm and I'll get this through him two crystal skulls have apported and manifested are you talking about just like wow from through his let's see the one we have was this did this get recorded

20:38 Well, the AdPorts of the Skulls was not recorded but he has been recorded where other objects are coming out. Really? Does he have a YouTube channel or anything? Yeah! There was one time when he imported 1500 objects most were small gemstones but they were recording it and part of it is on YouTube. Are you kidding me?! What would someone search to find that? To find it, you would have to look under the name of the medium. His name is Michael Shane. That's M-Y-C-H-A-E-L and Shane is S-H-A-N-E. I gotta look that up. Look under Michael Shane. Anyway we were there at a seance so he was in

21:23 I wasn't planning to go but then he got a message, he said from the Council of Crystal Skulls we had to be there. So then you know i was just kind of minding my own business and I saw vision in my mind that saw little skull coming out his mouth That's where a lot of the objects come. They come from his mouth, there is an energy vortex behind his tongue that forms and these objects come out." I thought, you know, wishful thinking! Then I was there and watched him. One of the first objects was a crystal skull. What it made out? Let me look at this skull here. Opalite. This isn't quartz

22:05 It's a blue color. Now he was channeling Krishna, so it is kind of interesting this girl took on this greenish light blue color which is supposedly what Krishnaís skin looked like and then Opalite has this red color inside of that shines and it's there but this skull looks a little bit like a monkey skull, but its really tiny one. I'd say maybe half a pound. This is so crazy! And we knew who it was for and then one time he was in his bedroom a couple of months later a vortex opened above him and a clear-quart skull, looking more like the skulls that we see came through. That one I think was about seven or eight pounds so that was pretty big skull he called it Ashtar but he claims it came from the planet Clarion that it was in the water and teleported itself to come here

23:04 Wow, Josh. This is crazy! You're very calm about this stuff. Well because I saw the skull. Yeah but if I saw something come out of somebody's mouth… But let me ask you this, because I've heard you say that you're an Aries before and I'm also an Aries. And I mean, I'm not a very spiritual person. I try to be open to things like meditation and energy healing and channeling telepathy and all that but I've been told that I haven't been able to measure any effects of that because I am an Aries. So let me ask you how would you recommend someone like me? Because I would love more than anything to have a contactee experience, but you seem to have tons of experiences. How would someone go about having a spiritual experience if they're not very sensitive or skeptical in any way? Let's focus on my Aries brother first because he'll relate exactly what I'm going

24:03 The problem or challenge, let's say of being in Aries is we do everything fast. Therefore my challenge is that I'm going to be involved in many different things at the same time however my gift from another time I think is that whatever I am working on I'm completely focused on it and oblivious to everything else But the key is you have to just be focused on one thing at a time. The next thing as Aries is that you're going to be thinking about things a lot and you're going to want to understand everything, okay?

24:40 You're going to challenge people. That's another thing we do if we don't buy something, you know We don't even think about that what we're gonna say is gonna bother somebody We're just gonna speak it and say hey I don't agree with you or I want to challenge you because it's that fire That's what Aries is about It's where fires are okay? So this is the major challenge that you have You have to find a way to either just focus on only one thing and not, and only be thinking about that. And not let your mind skip around to 10 or 20 or 30 different things in the manner of this. Oh it's very tough! Very tough So if you cannot do that then you cannot meditate

25:23 That's true, I can't do it. Because your logical mind is going to say look I don't want you to be able to meditate because I don't want you to have these gifts. I want you to just the way that you are. That's your conscious mind or ego thinking but your spiritual part, which I believe we all have is thinking I gotta find a way to come out so i can help him. So the key is you have to only focus on one thing when you do that and you'll be able to meditate. And then comes everything else? And then will come everything else now forgot to tell another story about eportation. Let's hear it! Okay so were working with Michael Shane

26:06 We just received this beautiful crystal skull from a master carver in China. It looks almost exactly like the human bone skull, and what the idea was is for him to hold the skull... Now this is the next part which you may have a little bit of problem with me on this. Is we believe that there's a living consciousness that works through the skulls that communicate telepathically So this is what was happening to him. We already have had communication with this particular skull, we call it Rosalita This is the name that came up three times even before we received this skull Made out of rose quartz, Rosalita is roses in Spanish

26:49 I mean, I'm open to the idea of all that. There's so many stories about paranormal and psychic and crazy stuff like that there has got to be something to it but you know, I just want us have a personal experience now if i could see a guy manifest a skull out his mouth during meditation or through some type of ectoplasm goo, that to me would be pretty damn validating. It wouldn't matter if I could meditate or not! Well you just need a trans-physical medium who is as close as possible to you and has objects that support it. Now each medium has different

27:27 things that happened. It could come from the air, as that happened with the skull experiment. Objects were apporting from the air and falling on their table and with Michael it was coming through his mouth. Anyway getting back to this story. Rosalita is there, there are people watching I remember my partner Katrina has put Rosalita right in front of Michael nobody's come up And then as Michael is giving these messages to Rosalita for the people, and he says Joshua I need for you to kneel in front of Rosalita. She has a gift for you And I go, what is he talking about? A gift. Some energy you know what could it be and then i happen to notice that in her left eye is an object and im thinking well logically probably somebody took a gemstone and put it into her eye but there was no one who approached the skull after Katrina put it down and there was nothing in that eye prior to that so I went to pick up this object and it was a 17 faceted quartz gem

28:25 that had appeared in her eye. Now I didn't know at the time what the material was, but I found it very interesting because my number that follows me everywhere is 17 and it has 17 facetids like I'm born on April 17th Okay, so everything always comes up. So I went to the store and said what is this material? Not explaining of course to them where I got it from because they wouldn't believe me anyway and they looked at the density of the stone they went into a book based on the weight and size which is the density said this falls in the range of quarts we believe this is quartz

29:02 So, this is another object that apported around linked to the crystal skulls and working with the medium. Now the thing about it is like you said for yourself I didn't expect that everyone was going to listen to all of things I'm talking about they're going to agree The way that I look at what I do is, Iím just a share of information but Iím trying to share the information that I intuitively feel is as close to the truth as possible or help people think about things and expand their horizons. That may be like in your case where this sounds interesting then it's going to cause you have your own experience because when you have your own experience this is not something anyone can take from

29:51 Like, you know when somebody sees a UFO other people could say no I don't believe you or whatever but for that person they saw it. That was their experience. I've heard of story where you took a crystal skull to some crop circles correct? Yes. Did something happen there that was different that you didn't expect to happen? Yeah we were trying to measure the change in energies caused by the skulls being present. Okay, so there was one we went to it had a yin-yang pattern to it So I went back another time now the crystal skull I brought with me was called Portal de Luz portal of light which is a 10 pound smoky quartz skull made by Brazilian carver in 1998 I think or 1999 so

30:41 I went there and was exposing the crystal skull to the energy but i didn't really try to do anything. But, the crystal skull again...I told you that the skulls have some living consciousness he called me dad and said Dad next time we go to crop circle I want you to meditate with my favorite music which is Pasha Bell's Canon in D. So that's the music he liked. I had a portable CD player and headphones, so that was no problem to do that. Then we met a crop circle researcher and he brought with him a device that was sensitive to electromagnetic frequency

31:24 What he did is, he started measuring the energy in the crop circle. Wherever there was part of the pattern of the crop circle then the electromagnetic meter would go above zero and where there was nothing, no pattern made it's just regular crops, you get zero. So we decided to do a test at the center of the crop circle. So first, we went there and measured the energy and it was zero. I took the crystal skull and placed them in the center to see if the crystal skull could change that reading from zero. The first thing that happens is myself, two other people, this crop circle researcher and another friend, we watch inside of the crystal skull looks like a spiraling energy spiraling up and out and then spiraling back almost instantaneously.

32:21 So the skull was trying to explain why the energy there is zero. It's because the energy is spiraling up and back very quickly, so it negates itself at zero. Then we put this skull in there for a period of time, took it out and didn't make any difference. Then I said well, Portale de Lucette – I've got to meditate with his favorite music first before we do this test! So I put my headphones on, everybody left me alone. I'm near the center of the circle and you know I have a picture from this time and meditating And the first thing that happens to me is I start to feel myself surrounded by a cone of energy

32:59 Then my eyelids start fluttering very fast and I cannot stop them. This is how I'm responding to the energy that's around me. Wow! And then, I tried to sing with Pascho Bell's Canon and I thought for sure I was singing in perfect key and nobody knew what song I was singing I'm a musician, so I should be able to carry a tune. Especially a song that I know quite well. You were in like a trance or something? Yeah, I don't know what was going on. Anyway there was all energy around me and everything and then we put the skull into the center after doing that and took it out and it was off the scale.

33:42 It could be that maybe nothing happened with the skull because a human being working with the crystal skull will bring it to life. Now, the crystal skull may not always be active This is a question people ask, they say wow you got all these skulls in your house. Usually we have like 30 or 40 because we have 16 that are, we call them our crystal kids that have adopted us and then we usually have other ones that we get from Brazilian or Chinese covers that are available for people if they're interested to get their own and I never say about selling, they're looking for their homes, that's the way I describe it. How easy is it for you to communicate with these skulls?

34:26 Well, everybody has their own way. For example with Katrina she actually hears a distinct voice speaking to her. Katrina is your partner in crime right? Yes exactly and for me when the skulls are talking it's in my thinking voice When I read, I can't just look at the words. I have to hear in my head the words. This is just the way it works for me." So I think that the intelligence in the skulls recognize that this is how they receive communication – an intuition and inner voice but also a thinking voice so they use that and that's how they talk to me

35:11 So, that's how I heard Portale de Luz is in my head. It's something I'm hearing in my thinking voice but not thinking depth if you understand what I am saying. Yeah! Does this happen all the time or at random intervals? Well, if your actually going to meditate with the crystal skull then there's a likelihood and it depends because some of our skulls are more talkative than others There are some I meditate with where I don't hear anything, but I feel the energy. With Portal Deleuze sometimes he will talk with me or what he's told me – that's what he is saying now – is that sometimes the voice I hear isn't his. He's stepping aside because he's kind of like a dimensional door and he's allowing if there are some other spirits or something they want to speak to us.

36:00 communicate with the skull or is it something that takes some time and preparation? Well, if you wanted me to work with one of our skulls here I could sit with it and see if it has a message for your listeners. See if it does! I'm curious... Okay so I gotta see which one wants to talk with me. See if one is drawn. Yeah there is okay so first I'll have to introduce this skull Of course The skull that Originally, I thought of Portal de Luz because he's usually like the movie TV media skull. He always likes that but sometimes some of the other girls say well Portal has had his chance all the time dad and I want to try now so this skull that I selected is called Heavenly Mother or

36:50 or Pachamama, which is from Peru. They call the Mother Earth Pachamama. Heavenly Mother or Pachamama are the two names this skull has. It's a little tiny rose quartz skull. The carver I know, his name is Leandro da Silva and he's Brazilian so it means that the quartz was mined in Brazil probably in the state of Minas Gerais where where they have a lot of crystal and there's very powerful energy because I went to meet Leandro da Silva in his shop. And as soon as I entered that state, I was overwhelmed by a very strong energy so this skull in general gives the message... Oh yeah! I already hear what she wants to say

37:36 It's a message about peace and harmony. So first thing she said is, Dad you forgot to mention about the World Peace Meditation that's going to be held and is held on the 13th of each month at the thirteenth hour so that's either one o'clock for people in the United States or 1300 there are some people who work with 24-hour clock like in Europe or South America So Friday the 13th, it just works out that way. At 1 o'clock local time we're going to be doing a meditation with people all over the world so this was the first message she wanted. What I suggest for people listening to the show is try and contact us to get the link

38:19 to this webpage for the meditation. It is listed on our webpage, there's a link to it, crystalskullexplorers.com. That's our main website, crystalskullexplorers.com they can find it or crystalskullexplorers at gmail dot com as our email either way they can write to us So, this was the first message she reminded. Because the key to the meditation that we do is about sending out a very peaceful harmonious and loving energy to our entire planet. There's kind of like a visualization that we do working with the skulls. The skulls amplify that energy. Let's see what other messages Heavenly Mother might have.

39:08 Yeah, well Heavenly Mother said that I should share what I'm reading from the Telos book about how humanity will be in the future. How we will treat each other? How we will live together because that's all based on the vibration of love Is this a 2012 kind of thing like a December-ish thing or is there a timeline for this I cannot give you a timeline. The only thing that I know for a fact is that by December 21st, 2012 our planet's still here and it's not going to be destroyed. We're not going to see what we saw in the movie 2012 like then. However there is a clue perhaps what may happen that again comes through this other medium we work with here, Teresa. One of her ET guides said

40:01 That by 2015 so that means will be going past 2012 there's going to be two earths one earth is gonna be in the fifth dimension. The earth in the fifth dimension is going to have total peace and harmony. There's not going to be any wars, any hunger there won't be any money people will literally be living very harmonious lives with freedom and treating each other with mutual respect working together for the benefit of all but there still will exist a third dimensional earth

40:38 And the type of scenarios that we have going on now, the people that will still be there will have to go through them. So that's basically what she said but that is not the message of Heavenly Mother. Heavenly Mother says the following... She says if we stop trying to force another person to agree with the way they should think and live then there would be peace. In other words... Agreeing! In other words, if we stop saying look I'm Jewish and you should be Jewish or I am Christian and you should be Christian. Or I am Wicca and you should be Wicca. No! You have the free will to decide whatever it is that works for you

41:23 As long as you're not intentionally trying to harm someone else, there's no problem with it. Go out and live your life! Explore because there are amazing things on the earth that we have here to explore She's kind of reminding me about this, that if we would stop trying to force our will on each other then there would be total peace. Another concept that she is reminding me of – a lot people right now are struggling financially although thank God the gas started coming down which I have no idea why they did that. There must be some reason why they decided to do it but anyway, we won't argue with our blessing. They don�t want to totally choke us out

42:06 Some of us were thinking it would go to $5 in the US. If we don't get to work, then they don't have their worker bees and thus the system collapses so they gotta give us something! Right but anyway here's the concept if instead of each person saying well I have to have my car, I have to have my cell phone I have to have my computer, this big house that we live in. If we were to share the resources that we have collectively no one would be without them." That's the prosperity that exists in our world today. The concept is how do we do that?

42:48 The best way to start doing it is with friends and family, is to say look let's just start sharing what we have collectively. And become a visible example of that and then you know its kind like the Wall Street movement this came out of nowhere I'm surprised how many In 2012, it's very coincidental. It came out of nowhere and how many people all over the world decided to do that? So all it takes is someone to say look we're going to start instead of a Wall Street, this movement for sharing

43:26 what we have with each other, helping each other. You know if you go to Peru where the people are very poor do you know how they survive? They do exactly what I just said. They help each other and share and they're happy! And it is so funny that the people who have the most covet it and hold on to it and the people who have the least usually see them sharing. It's weird how that works out Right, so this is the message that I'm inspired to share from this girl Heavenly Mother who is really when people work with her they feel a really loving you know healing energy but more from emotion. Yeah, I'm feeling good yeah now is there Josh let me ask you if I can Pachamama understand me or not? Does she will she hear me if I say something to her

44:16 Yeah, she hears through me. I would just like to ask Pachamama that if she can send some type of spiritual entity to validate things for me or make me have a weird experience, i would just love it. I would love to see UFOs and be a contactee. I'd love to have some type of experience that is out of this world and if pachamama could Nudge that along I would be so appreciative. Okay, here's her answer Everything that you need to have that experience you have it right now That's a very Zen thing for her to say yeah Now I'm gonna expand on there because that will leave you hanging There is a spirit that is around you who's talking with me right now? It's a masculine spirit well and

45:22 I don't know why, so I just go with it. It's a spirit who had an Earth lifetime during the period of time when we had the American Revolution but he may not have been in the United States you know? I just see those clothes on him okay? This is your Spirit Guide So what your Spirit Guide is saying is...I already gave you part before about meditation about focusing on one thing He's going to be there because that is his job. His job is to help you, I mean believe me he said they know how much you want this experience but there are something that has to change inside of you that blocking them it like there was a war that's going on some more between logical part and intuitive parts

46:12 The logical part is saying, no way am I going to allow this person to have this experience. Now the way you get beyond it is that you've got to go with that meditation I told you about even if its five minutes. This is the way it works. I remember when I first started meditation and went to some eastern center in Chicago – I don't even remember the name of the mass – you're supposed look at his picture and meditate. And I did it for a little while but what happened was is after I started to do it then, I guess from past life the ability just came and then i could do without any problem.

46:49 So it's like riding a bicycle, the first time you get on you fall off. The second time to get on maybe you ride it for five seconds and you fall of You have to use your fire as an Aries and you gotta say the following I am gonna learn how to meditate and nothing is going to stop me And I'm gonna keep doing exercise until I can do it and once you can do it then your guide will be able to help you If he was to bring you these experiences that you're asking for right now, it would be interfering in your spiritual evolution. You are trying to push it as an area... I want it now! I want it fast but you're not willing to pay for it What do you have to pay for? Is you gotta meditate and only focus on one thing That is such a simple thing and a simple concept maybe not easy to do right away

47:39 It's very tough. It may not be easy to do, but it's simple if you do it in the morning and you do it in the night and you do it for one month and you don't give up, you will see a difference That's what your guide is saying. You've got to do it for 30 days! I know, give it a shot. So this awesome because no one...I've never heard about any spirit guides you know from me personally are you getting a name for the spirit guide? I don't get names so just get a I see and I feel. This is a person who lived during that period of time where they had the three corner heads

48:16 So, it could be any time from the early part of the 1700s to the later part of the 1700's or 1800. But there is something about the timeframe of American Revolution that seems to be what its connected too. Very crazy and maybe this a secular thing and this is the new American Revolution? Well, there definitely is a revolution that's going on. Hopefully it'll be a little bit bigger – global revolution but a revolution nonetheless! But we've been going for awhile and it's about time to bring this baby home but I gotta ask you do you have any outside of this meditation? Do you have other upcoming events? Yes, on July 22nd and again they will contact us to find those. CrystalSkullExplorers.com

49:06 Yeah, but I think this particular one is on crystalskullexplorers.com backslash resources dot htm Howard Thomas Mary It's on that page where we have our radio shows that we've done We have a radio show we do ourselves called Unfolding of the Crystal Skulls and other mysteries. And then the other thing that we're hoping to do at the end of the year, because we have access to the online class is to do a crystal skull conference online where you don't have to leave your house and you can just see the people see their skulls listen to them talk. That would be cool! And then the other thing that were doing this year is working on some books

49:53 So, but e-books right now. The next one will be called Journeys of the Crystal Skull Explorers Travelogue Number 2 Search for the Blue Skull in Peru But I don't know when it's going to be ready because I have some other projects that are taking all my time right now and until we get some doors open there I can't really go back to the book but by the end of August that other one should be ready. So, that's what we've got coming up. And you got the Facebook and Twitter links as well? Yeah! We're on Facebook or on Twitter so people pretty much can contact us any way they want. Look them up get yourself a crystal skull find one that is drawn to you that you are drawn too You know... You can help people with that too Any last words Josh

50:40 I would just say 2012, we haven't seen anything yet. There's going to be more stuff coming but the key is to be yourself and working with other people and that's how the world will come into a better light – cooperation, co-creation and listening to your intuition and go with what you're inspired to do because those are the keys Well, it's been a wild time. I loved every minute of it! Thanks again my man and here is to a positive shift in 2012! I'll see you in the next life!