THC 119: Troy McLachlan | Secrets Of The Saturn Death Cult & The Monetary Enslavement Conspiracy

00:00 Hey, what up Greg? This is BJ. I actually used to hang out with Freeman and Jamie and it's awesome that you've been chillin' with them Yeah, I would love to talk to you about a recent vision I had on Ayahuasca involving telepathically communicating through hundreds of dragons in outer space that are shape-shifting infinite beings Alright, I'll meet dude take it easy. I'll talk to you later In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed a nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times but we're far from 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration We offer a fresh conversation! I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chats

00:55 How's it going Ironside Chatters? Drinking a little drink, smoking a little smoke and I cannot wait to hear what people think of todays episode. I am Greg Carlwood from sunny San Diego People who have been listening for some time might have noticed but every once in awhile there is certain type of show that i like to do and these are these in depth looks at alternatives how we look at the earth past, the hollow earth theory with Dean Dominic DeLucia as an example of this. The Earth crust displacement theory with Rand Phlemm-Othe was another one and they're not always easy to do because they involve stepping all over conventional ideas of science and geology and everything we've been taught

01:35 But today is one of these types of shows that attempts to take what we've been told from the mythology of cultures all around the world and the acknowledgement that much of the elite symbolism can be traced back to Saturn as we have explored recently. and also many other random loose ends along the way that are left by, the contradictions that have cropped up between the official schools of thought and certain evidence that's been discovered along the way. It is a great show! The guest is Troy McLachlan And we're diving into his Saturn Death Cult material which is the name he gives for The Elite and we sort of gloss over the obvious connections between The Elite and ritual sacrifice child trafficking and all the obvious reasons that a term like

02:18 death cult could apply, and we focus more on trying to make a credible case for a model that allows for what is now Saturn to have once been the Earth's star and not only that but how it changed in the environment which introduced new concepts of seasons and time into humanity's world. became the scapegoat and justification for the early elite priest class to form manipulative allegories around these events, and also make changes to monetary systems that have been used to enslave humanity since the dawning of this proposed era. It is heavy stuff, and man is it interesting to me! Troy is a great guest who I think has a scholarly and open approach to his perspective, and I just love it."

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05:14 With everything you need to know From corruption to UFOs Be sure to grab your Wii Look at some conspiracies On The Higher Side Chats Alright people, we've seen the signs and they've opened up our eyes. But while many researchers are doing great work recognizing the modern incarnations of secret society symbolism and tracing their origins as far back as they can few researchers are making any progress on the big question of why The Elite put so much careful consideration in planning into their hidden-in-plain-sight symbolism And why at its core it seems to have so much to do with Saturn

05:58 A distant planet that one would think should have gone largely unnoticed in the ancient times. Well today's guest Troy McLaughlin puts the big unanswered why front and center in his research, and has identified what he has called The Saturn Death Cult which is also the name of both his book AND website covering this topic I've been diving into it for a few weeks now and am really psyched to have him here! Troy my man how the hell are ya? I'm great, Greg. Pleasure to be with you on the show. Like Mr. Gates and his audio book Jupiter, and even Robert Morningstar mentioned that Saturn used to be more star-like And these threads have danced around the topic but you're going straight for the jugular here man And I think the best way to dive in To examine the reason for this fixation on Saturn among the elites is You gotta walk us through your timeline of how you see The early solar system because we know this symbology has something to do with Hidden knowledge about the ancient past It seems like you might've cracked this case right Troy?

07:04 Well, I hope so. The book that I wrote, Saturn Death Cult is largely inspired by a theory called Saturn Theory. Part of the Electric Universe model when it comes to looking at the cosmology associated with our solar system but basically Saturn Death Cult introduces the radical concept that ancient world mythology is actually the human witnessed record of a massively catastrophic rearrangement of the solar system into its current configuration. A rearrangement which from the perspective those witnessing it on Earth saw the planet Saturn, which at that time was a sub-brown dwarf star dislodged as Earth's original sun and replaced by our current Sun

07:57 Now, this catastrophic episode is often referred to as doomsday and the events of that time are now subsequently indelibly imprinted into the human corporate psyche where the various archetypes at a subconscious level have in turn been exploited by certain belief systems to give credence to various control type belief systems usually those that promote an elitist worldview. And what this relates back to in terms of how it applies today is that mythology tells us Saturn ruled in what is known as the Golden Age and it is the desire on the part of the elites, uh, to return to a form of this golden age. That is at the basis of their thinking

08:48 So what I hope to do with Saturn Death Cult is raise the reader's awareness as to the connection between these Saturnian-based belief systems and the emergence ultimately in our day of a, um...of the current debt based financial system as typified by today's central banking model. Basically, something I argue is the ultimate enslavement system where the productive majority of the US population are subjected to the tyranny of an elite minority. But yeah, there are two things that make it difficult for a lot of people to first grasp these ideas Greg and one of them you know it really is that we're talking about a complete rearrangement of the solar system within relatively recent times within human memory And uh... The other one of course is that in the process of this rearrangement

09:49 the Earth starts out as originally being the satellite of a different star to the Sun, and that the Earth and that particular star were then catastrophically captured by the Sun to begin the process of this rearrangement in the solar system. And that other star you mentioned, that's now the planet Saturn. Yes it is. That's right. Now Saturn is called Saturn after the mythological god and in certain theories argued that they are one in the same. There is a, detractors will say that the planets were named at later date after gods but the connection between the god Saturn and planet Saturn can be established as being completely together in terms of the ancient minds I usually in an interview will read out a quote by probably the elder statesman

10:50 a satin theory guy called that do i do cardona which really should sum up. What we're talking about here for free list of some share i quite now be the evidence of math which points to saturn having once occupied a position above this north polar regions is voluminous There is not a race on Earth that has not preserved at least one account which states as much. According to this evidence, Saturn occupied their central position in the North celestial regions it rotated and rotated widely but other than that it was unmovable." Now this was the original son of ancient mythology and because of the uniformitarian bias in science

11:34 The solar system has basically been as it is for billions of years, a slow changing thing. Scholars have largely recognized the association with the god Saturn with the pole star where it sits in the north today but they've contrived to separate this idea that that the ancients identified the actual planet as having been there. And this was done by a guy called John J O'Neill about 140 years ago, and it just simply is a belief on their part that when they look up into the skies today they can't see what's the mythology is telling them so... They just discarded as being relevant to anything real that the ancients would have seen. Right yeah that's classic

12:26 a classic problem with some of this stuff and whether you're talking about some people who go into ancient alien theory and other ideas that we're finding out that a lot of the things that they They knew about they had real reference even though We don't see it today, and this might have been the fact that we were revolving around Saturn. So I Take us back to that time. How long ago was this? Are we considering there's obviously humans on the planet, but it seems like... Sure. Yeah I mean what was life like then? Okay so what we're basically talking about is life under a sub-brown dwarf star now. I think what we need to do for the benefit of listeners is come to an understanding of what that actually means

13:06 what a sub-brown dwarf star is and how a satellite, particularly one that could support life could exist on something like that. Now there is a physicist who is one of the more preeminent thinkers in the electric universe paradigm who has stated as such that if you were looking for life outside the solar system You would probably be best looking to see if you could find it around a sub-brown dwarf star. Now these sub brown dwarf stars are what you call substellar objects, they sit out there in space they don't glow like a star then according to mainstream theory they're not heavy enough to ignite the supposed nuclear furnace that drives our main sequence star of the sun

14:01 But nonetheless, so they're basically what's called a cold object. And they're very difficult to detect now between us and the nearest next main sequence star we probably have anywhere between 600 to 1,000 of these things between us and them. So therefore, what Sornhill argues is that if we went looking and applied Electric Universe principles to sub-Brown Dwarf stars that are much closer.

14:38 what we would find is an object that has what's called a plasma sheath wrapped around it. Now, I have to just give a little bit of the lesson in electric universe here. Basically, electric universe works on the basis that there are electric fields and space. And when objects of different charge move through a much more positively charged electric space they develop what's called a Langmuir sheath or plasma sheath around it. This is something that can be demonstrated in labs and is known to all electrical engineers, and effectively in our own solar system that electric field is what we call the heliosphere

15:24 It encompasses all the planets, all the way out. I think the Viking probes have only just crossed the boundary now into the interstellar medium and that is the Sun's electric field and when an object enters into this electric field that is negatively charged in relation to the Sun there will be a reaction, it will be basically a discharge event and an equalizing of that object into the sun's more dominant electric field. Now all stellar objects in the Electric Universe model are effectively what you would call discharge phenomenon

16:08 And a sub-brown dwarf star is a much lower discharge phenomenon compared to a main sequence star like the sun. So, the Electric Universe argues that the sun is driven from without by the galactic electric current as defined by Hannes Alfven, the Nobel Peace Prize winning physicist during the 1930's And that energy drives the sun and basically we see this discharge phenomenon like a giant light bulb stuck in the sky. A sub-brown dwarf star, much smaller object doesn't glow at that level at all however it does produce its own heliosphere. This plasma sphere is what I'm referring to

16:59 And if that sub-brown dwarf star has rocky satellites, those satellites can exist inside that plasma sphere. Now that plasma sphere like the Sun's heliosphere acts like a cocoon And what i can do is it can create an environment within the sub round all stars plasma sphere that's very conducive to life simply because there isn't enough for me. Add yours not free energy and um, And basically the light is uniform on the rocky surface. It's a dull world compared to the one that we live in, in terms of our daylight thing but effectively you don't get the fluctuations of day and night on satellite that exist there what you have is you have a condition which is kind like an eternal twilight now this

17:54 This is how a sub round the wall star in the electric model universe model. Is perceived to behave and when we look at mythology we find that prior to the best thing for life what's a lot of us are you know from it in the so-called christian west as we have a b the main mythology courses the account in genesis the biblical account And of course we know that moment where it says, let there be light. It's the beginning of so-called creation. Now this event, this flaring up of light prior to that there is a period unspecified time period

18:39 of twilight darkness, a kind of primordial glow that exists. And this is mirrored in virtually every other culture this time before the sudden bursting forth of light in mythology. It was mirrored in other mythologies with the same conditions of eternal twilight that seems to stretch back into an unknowable past Now what Saturn theory argues is that when a sub-brown dwarf star comes into contact with the Sun's heliosphere, i.e., the two plasma spheres actually touch, the sub-brown dwarf star will discharge because it's basically a negatively charged object and this will cause it to flare

19:26 It is this event that we trace in Saturn theory to the let there be light moment, where suddenly this sub round the world star flares and the inhabitants of one of its satellites are bathed in a radiant light blinding light that they've never ever experienced before. This is what mythology tells us. This is what the Electric Universe model can demonstrate to be possible when a sub-brown dwarf star comes into the sun's influence. Interesting, so in your research on the website, is this the time, this twilight time? The period you call the purple dawn?

20:11 That's correct, yeah. It's a generic term the purple dawn but you know it is basically if you have T-class sub round dwarf star they don't give off the ultraviolet and green light that the sun we see gives off and what you get is you get light more in the blue and red spectrum As a result of that, you get a world which is predominantly would be bathed in the purple hue. Sort of reddish blue hues throughout so that sort has a dull glow effectively to get a sense of the light I always tell people the best place to get a sense of this would be to dive down to about 15 meters

20:58 Under the ocean open your eyes in a clear piece of ocean and just get a sense of how murky and dim. It would be that's the kind of light that we're talking about. That basically would be put out by a sub round or star and what I think to let people get an idea of what we're talking about here, okay? A sub-round or star is an object that is not much bigger than the planet Jupiter, okay? Now Jupiter itself has four terrestrial satellites, rocky satellites going around it. It has its own what mainstream science calls its radiation field that is Jupiter's plasma sphere in the Electric Universe paradigm

21:46 And these four satellites, these four rocky satellites one of which is almost the size of Mars all exist within that radiation sphere that Jupiter emits today. So if Jupiter were at the sub-brown dwarf level and there's every reason to believe it once was a sub-brown dwarf of some type then its radiation sphere is its plasma sphere and it's got four rocky planets orbiting within that cocoon. So to help people picture that, just think of Jupiter in that sense we're arguing that Saturn was a free-floating example of exactly this, the sub round the world star

22:34 We argue that before contact with the sun's plasma sphere, its own plasma sphere was opaque and didn't allow light to get in from the outside. So whatever rocky bodies were on the inside had no perception of anything that was outside their own experience under Saturn. Now this correlates perfectly even with the biblical model where I think it is the third day, correct me if i'm wrong maybe the third or fourth day when the Sun and the stars are actually seen according to that now

23:14 If you're talking about a sub round the wall star undergoing a discharge event going over like on contact with a higher electric field that plasma sphere would equalize and will become transparent. So you would get a flaring effect that would bathe the terrestrial body inside in brilliant light. When that light settles down as the sub-round dwarf star equalizes, the opaque plasmasphere has been made transparent and suddenly the whole of the cosmos is now able to be seen

23:53 And again, this correlates very nicely with the mythological record where in many of the cultures and I'm talking about all around the world not just the Western traditions and so on. The sun is a non-existent sun then it is a distant Sun before finally comes into its place of prominence In the meantime Saturn has flared and then over a period of time it loses its position as the dominant object in the Earth's sky. Wow, see this is really interesting but how long do these changes take to occur because we are so used to this paradigm that it takes millions and billions of years for change to occur? And that you know life can't exist if the temperature were raised 10 degrees or lower ten degrees apparently worth made to think

24:44 that we're in this very slim sliver of possibility where life could exist and to hear that celestial bodies are bouncing around all over the place, it seems so foreign from the traditional concept. Sure, the uniformitarian prejudice that there is in science. You know the idea that things only change over gradual extended periods of times it's the dominant train of thought and this mitigates strenuously against it. A lot... Saturn theory is largely born out of comparative mythology

25:22 It is the electric universe model that has developed after comparative mythologist started looking and saying, hey the ancient saw a different sky but it must have been less impossible. They couldn't add All right. So what was it about the ancient sky that they saw? It must have been that they, you know usually is discarded as overactive imaginations ritualistic concerns and things like that but the electric universe paradigm gives a model whereby suddenly you are no longer hemmed in or held to the ground, so to speak by a gravity only driven universe. Suddenly there's this other force out there that is transmitted by plasma which is the most ubiquitous substance in the universe

26:16 And these electrical and electromagnetic forces override gravity in the process, and provide a model for sudden changes. Now the father of this kind of thought is a guy called Immanuel Belikovsky, and he pioneered this sort of work in a book called Worlds In Collision back in 1950's And he was absolutely eviscerated by the mainstream scientific community. It didn't matter that a lot of his predictions, which were poo-pooed at the time had subsequently been exonerated by them coming true I think

26:59 probably the most famous one was his prediction that Jupiter would emit radio waves. This is because Velikovsky sensed that for things to happen according to mythology, there had to be an electrical component to the forces that govern the solar system and so in his day, the solar system was this inert system held entirely by gravity, you couldn't get electrical potentials in space. And this has turned out to not be true. Of course, it's never acknowledged that he was the one who came up with that. He made a lot of mistakes but being a pioneer that is exactly what happens. But the mainstream approach to him is no different than as if we completely rejected Galileo because he made the mistake of identifying Saturn's rings as two moons you know?

27:58 Right and you know we say right cable we will be i have nothing more to do with his ideas this electric universe model is super interesting because this kind of touches on people who know the tesla story it seems like what he was touching on cuz he would say that electricity is everywhere that's in the air there universes made up of it and as opposed to the other side where Edison wanted to charge money for it and considered it not so prevalent of a resource that had to travel through these wires that he could meter and charge for. But is this related to what Tesla was trying to talk about at all? Undoubtedly, probably the more poignant scientist to be talking about in relation today is a guy called Christian Birkeland

28:42 He was a Norwegian scientist who made some experiments with iron balls in the laboratory where he ran high voltage through them. And lo and behold, he was able to create the aurora effects that we see around the polar regions of the Earth now The reason he was rejected, and this is over a hundred years ago that he was doing these experiments. He was rejected because science just could not conceive where the electrical current came from and you know it's one of those things Gregg where in terms of basic science we have what's called a dynamo model for the earth where it's believed that somehow a molten iron core is spinning enough to create the electrical current that drives our magnetic field

29:29 Now, everybody who's done a bit of science knows that magnetism is the result of electrical current. It's not a natural occurring thing unless there is an electrical current so if you have a magnetic field there either isn't existing electrical current or there was once upon a time in electrical currents and that's produced the magnetic fields because, you know that's how we create a magnet out of the nail. We wrap it around in wire run electrical current through it and suddenly becomes magnetic same thing with the earth now what's Birkeland and Tesla largely discovered independent on each other without really knowing the full effect is that the sun puts out this

30:16 Electrical field and that currents go from the sun southern pole to the earth's southern pole through the earth and then arcs back again. Three years north pole to the sun is a North Pole and cycle you know complete it's basically a circuit and this The circuit is what we call the current and is now starting to be recognized people are saying don't stand exist a they know it exists between jupiter in one of its moons. I'm definitely aware of that, how's being there but it would take few years before hannah sell beef. I'll see you noble peace prize winner that i mentioned before

31:03 would develop his model called the Electric Galactical Circuit, in which the whole galaxy is really a giant unipolar electric motor. And basically where we are in one of the spirals of their arm is within that whole massively huge electrical flow, that is generated by the galaxy. Man! This is like New Science 101 It's totally different don't take this to your mainstream guys they... So then there's a black hole at the center of the galaxy for Electric Universe people it's a unipolar motor

31:40 Man, so in terms of the elite secrets because that's pretty much what we're talking about here is we're talking about they have some hidden knowledge Of the ancient past which in this case very well could be The Saturn theory which hinges on the Electric Universe. So obviously we have to lay that base it is a really dense and far-reaching topic that you know A lot of layers to it have to be revealed Um, but let's talk about I want. I kind of want to know what life was like when it was still with under Saturn? Like what was it like environmentally on the earth? Okay. That, I mean this is actually my favorite topic in terms of the research and so on. Okay. Because you're talking about life under a sub brown dwarf star. So that's for argument sake say we've accepted that earth began um, under a sub brown dwarf star before its capture

32:34 by the sun. What kind of environment? First of all, we have to get the configuration right. One of the things within Saturn theory there are competing ideas for how satellites under a sub-brown dwarf would behave. Mythology tells us that Saturn resided north that basically where we see the pulsar today was always the position where Saturn was, this dull glow, this orb that existed up there. Would you say it was about the size of the moon or larger or smaller? What, Saturn at that time? Yeah Oh much larger Much larger Yeah but if you were outside of the plasmasphere and you were looking at this object in infrared

33:23 It would be hard to actually see inside the plasma sphere in the same way it's hard to see from the inside out. And so the object would look a lot, lot bigger than its actual core is. But the core of Saturn at that time would be probably about 1 3rd larger than it is today. So a bit bigger than Jupiter is today that we see it and if you're going to have an object that size residing as a dull glowing disc up at celestial north All right, this is not magnetic north. It's not geometric north or anything it's actually celestial north as I say where today we see the pole star roughly If you're going to have that there are only two configurations you can have one is called phase lock and that's like the moon The same The moon's relationship to the earth that we have the same face of the moon always faces the earth

34:26 Alright so that the moon revolves in relation to the sun but it doesn't revolve in relation to us we see the same side. The whole time this is called phase lock as opposed to like the earth which spins on its axis while it's rotating around the sun, But the moon is an example of phase lock and for many people in Saturn theory, this is their solution for why the Earth saw Saturn in the North Celestial regions when it was a satellite of Saturn. I favor another one which is championed by Duardo Cardona which is what's called the polar alignment or the polar configuration

35:09 And what that is, is the idea that Saturn is rotating on its axis. The Earth is rotating on its axis and there is an axial alignment. Imagine like the axle of two wheels linking the two planets, so effectively Earth is dangling underneath Saturn where both are spinning on their axis but they're kept in that kind of stasis with each other and subsequently anybody on Earth would see Saturn always at a celestial north. If you were from Saturn's perspective, you would see Earth always in Saturn's celestial south. Huh... Would that make the poles warm? Yes it certainly would! Because there is ancient stories of the poles having like greenery and all that kind of stuff up there That might be an explanation Well

36:07 Not only is the celestial north identified as a vote of gods but the. the navel of the earth, the contact with the abode of gods is always placed in the north whatever culture you're involved in. This is a very common thing particularly obviously Nordic cultures have it big time but in Greek culture it's the Mount Olympus, the Chinese have it with their god whose name escapes me Dong, The Yellow Emperor as he's known there's always this association with the far north And the far north is often associated with kind of the original paradise if you know what i mean. So yes, if you have a configuration and of course for many people the idea of polar configured celestial bodies is an absolute aberration in terms of newtonian mechanics

37:01 But in a recent book, along with the co-author we've put out a paper that shows that actually in the universe as it is what we can see. We see polar aligned bodies all over the place just knowing what to look for and we're talking about herbic herb objects which people can look up and go and see what they are about but The point is that yes, there is a physics for polar alignment even if we haven't seen two actual planetary bodies engaged in that. But there are examples which you can get into later if we want to cover that but let's say for argument sake that we're in this polar environment – yes

37:42 If Saturn is a sub-brown dwarf, the majority of its radiation would fall on the polar north of the Earth at that particular time. The rest of the Earth would still receive uniform radiation in terms of the radiation and light reflected back off the plasma sphere which is as we discussed before, this giant cocoon that encompasses both bodies but yeah The place to be in that environment is of course the north if you really want the real resort area at that time. It's also the most dangerous place to be if a sub-brown dwarf goes unstable, and that's the problem with sub brown dwarfs they're not stable they're not like our main sequence star, the sun. Sub brown dwarfs are an unstable type of star and their prone to flare

38:39 So yes, you want to be there when the sub round or star is quiet. But you wouldn't want to be there if it was affected in any way of something you know, triggered it to flare in any way. But yes it does seem that the megafauna of the Earth and much of the growth... See one of the anomalies is that we know that the ice ages, vast swathes of Russia, Alaska were never under glacial influence at that time The artichoke itself is paradoxically it is the most organically filled ocean on the planet this whole stuff in the action. That has rotted away and created a suit that is up there because we have this anomaly of why have we got mammoth

39:36 That need to eat you know literally hundreds of pounds food temperate tropical food and they have this temperature tropical foods in their stomachs the ones that have been preserved and found what are they doing up in a place that in today's world. is a completely desolate, icy waste. How does a mammoth survive given the current aura that you've got up there? I mean, crikey they come up with... Oh they dug it out with their tusks and all that kind of stuff. Right right You know this is nonsense as far as anybody who knows how an elephant or what an elephant needs to do but they all seem to have gravitated towards those northern climes and so on Trouble is

40:21 When the flare comes, you're at ground zero for a major atmospheric discharge event. Yeah, that's quite a gamble for that type of environment to live up there. But so let me ask you because we're referencing mythology and that that's where we're figuring out where this stuff comes from and it's in cultures all over the world but how long ago is this? Is this 10,000 years ago? Is this longer or shorter Well, it's always... I'm a bit dubious when people start dating stuff down to even with the millennium. These things but i am quite happy to go on the record that 10 000 years ago is what I place as the doomsday event all right? That doomsday event is when Saturn has finally... When the coupling, the axial alignment between Saturn and Earth was severed

41:19 all right, and the Earth found itself on its own now revolving around the main sequence star we call the Sun. All right? And Saturn is lost as banished to the outer realms. Now I put that event at around about 10 thousand years ago. The beginning of what we call the Golden Age—in other words their event marks the end of the Golden Age so the Golden Age And probably I believe is a period anywhere between 1000 and 5000 years long. All right, now that age represents the period of capture when the sub round dwarf star called that is to become Saturn has been captured by the sun still maintains its relationship with the Earth

42:05 and is sort of discharging, flaring and creating this glow on the earth that coupled with the sun introduces this brand new era. This entirely new environment for humans to experience. That golden age exists about give or take a thousand to six thousand years it's unclear as to how long that lasted Prior to that, so getting on let's say 16000 years ago. All right prior to that is what we call the purple dawn era this year that we referred to as when when the earth was entirely alone in its relationship to Saturn there was no sun

42:55 Now, this coincides with the extinction events with the megafauna as they're called. The giant mammals that we see and this brings up another aspect Greg in terms of life on an Earth-sized body under a subbrown dwarf star. In the Electric Universe gravity is an electrostatic phenomenon it's not just simply mass and weight This is complete heresy in mainstream science, so don't take it to your university professors or anything like that. But nonetheless that's what the Electric Universe model stipulates as it is. As a result of that, it can be said that Earth under Saturn would have had a completely different gravity and much less gravity

43:40 And it is this less gravity that allowed for mega-sized creatures, mega-sized flora to start existing. Dinosaurs and stuff too I'm sure right? Well yes because what you get remember i told you a sub round dwarf star has a very variable tendency to flare and so on all right if you go back through time into this purple dawn time without almost, without exception you find that all these creatures have a tendency towards nocturnal living. All right? There's it's one of those things that doesn't make much sense on the earth when you look at the way they're constructed and what their eyesight and smell is like. A lot of these creatures including dinosaurs are best suited

44:30 to a nocturnal environment. Now, if this sub-brown dwarf star is having periodic flare ups in other words while it's drifting out there alone in space its meeting other objects electrically speaking and has flare ups then you are going to get changes in gravity And it seems that as the gravity changes and gets heavier, you get extinction events. And if there's one thing that you can actually correlate down through line is sort of like bigger becomes smaller over time each extinction event sees the bigger creatures go

45:12 followed by another extinction level event where the next lot of big creatures, but slightly smaller they go right down to our mammoths. Right down to all those mammalian megafauna that we've seen that we date at roughly between 10,000 and 20,000 years ago in terms of their extinction events. Wow! So we're arguing for the idea there's been an attenuation gravity in terms of Earth's relationship to Saturn, and now that we've entered into the relationship with the Sun, the gravity where at this moment. And that's why dinosaurs and huge creatures like that just simply wouldn't survive in the world that we have today they're too heavy to support themselves

46:02 Yeah, there's also a lot of researchers that are finding skeletons of human-like giants. That also could play into that because that's an unexplained thing too. A lot of people give it credit to the Nephilim or some type of alien race but it could have just been humans from this time where we were in the purple dawnish area Yes, the human species was definitely much more robust in earlier times. Even going back to what used to be called Cro-Magnon man and such they were a much more robust species and so on but it comes back down to that whole sort of debate why

46:42 When size is such a winning ticket, when to be big, to be the biggest was evolutionary speaking. The big thing why are we not seeing that happen today? Why are we not seeing growth towards size particularly in land-based creatures It's a disturbing problem for many of the people who, you know they're discovering even bigger dinosaurs almost every year. There is a new one that is even bigger than the last one and it was sort of like about three or four decades ago we reached the point where scientists understood that particularly the dinosaur types that fly

47:31 That this in the current environment we have now if that's what they lived and when they were alive. They just couldn't do what they seem to be designed to do. I made literally would've collapsed under the pressure of their own weight yeah that's interesting man so, I want to, you mentioned this golden age. Is this in mythology a time where they're talking about the Garden of Eden? Like where life is flourishing because it seems to be like that's a big part that people talk about and all their ideas of this pastime there seems to be something there Yeah well you see Saturn is the word we use

48:11 to, you know it's a generic term. It's actually the Romans' term for the Greeks called their god Kronos is where we get time from, chronology and such like that. You know I've got a list somewhere around here of all the different cultures names for their version of Saturn alright? So what do you have is you have all these cultures that had a version of Saturn and their version of Saturn always presides over a life giving epoch this time of lack of want. So Saturn is associated with bringing forth light, bringing forth creation creating the world that was an earthly paradise

49:00 for people to exist. He also becomes the Merchant of Doom, the Slayer, the Great Reaper, the Grim Reaper. Saturn is associated with a scythe which is where we get our Grim Reaper archetype from in terms of modern mythology and that's because what he created he also took away when he died when he was ousted from his throne alright? And That period when satin rules depending whatever culture you go to is recognized as that was the time you want to live in that was the time he wanted to exist and subsequent to that i'm with the doomsday event most cultures have developed

49:49 you know, a variant. A benevolent and malevolent variant of the idea what can we do to bring back? To recapture that time of lack-of-want that earthly paradise And for what I would call the benevolent types particularly in what i referred to in Saturn Death Cult as The Silver Age where priesthoods first started to codify laws and so on The idea was to create a society that observed certain laws and to the benefit of all.

50:25 And primary to that of course is the idea that weights and measures are all equal. That you don't apply different weights and measures to different people, everybody gets to operate off the same weights and measures. The malevolent variation on there says hey no I want their lifestyle in the golden age and the best way together is to get everybody else do work Alright how am i gonna get all these people to do this because you know if i try the tough guy get a bunch of bugs. Eventually they overthrow you may rise up because you need a majority to support minority wants to live in a year and so golden age type lifestyle,

51:11 So they've had to come up with various other ways to enslave people, you know, to basically provide this lifestyle. They have it at the top and of course the way to do that is to subvert the weights and measures by which people trade, by which people create their laws and operate with each other. And to subvert in such a way That's the majority people become indebted to those who would like to live this golden age lifestyle and of course this is why i said death cult leads. Into the idea that be interest based financial debt system a system which if you look at the major religions in the world was always condemned as an abomination

52:01 It's this very system that is probably the most efficient means for ensuring that people will willingly work in such a way that they provide all the productive benefit for an elite, which just sits there and rakes in the benefits. Absolutely I'm in total agreement with you there that that is one of the root problems we have And it's interesting to think that this spawned out a desire for the people in charge to get back to a time where everyone had abundance because of the

52:37 environment on the planet it's a fascinating idea and that's what I kind of wondered because if Saturn was or this sub-brown dwarf star was responsible for this abundance you would think that it would be a Saturn life cult not necessarily a Saturn death cult, you'd think they would want good for everybody but yeah when you break it down into those two different types It's really interesting because there also seems to be a link between the three various religions of the world and different monetary systems. I guess, can you break that down for us? Yeah it's you know the elite you know whatever it is when it comes to saturn even if they themselves knew this theory that I'm espousing and such which I doubt many of them do all they knows that in the time of Saturn was wonderful and they're gonna get a piece of that for themselves at the expense of all of us.

53:31 But this is where it's so important to understand that when Saturn, you know it's not like they're going to drag a sub round the wolf and place up at the north again. We get gonna go back to that right there just after a lifestyle. Yes alright okay so the resource rather than a sub round of what providing for us other satin their resource becomes arrest of us Now the reason i can get away from this and this is what i hope people take out of a second difficult. The reason that they can answer for the reason why call it saturday called the reason i can get away with us is because when you have the catastrophic event doomsday the moment the time when saturn was dislodged from position

54:15 It was immensely catastrophic. It's what set the heart of the Atlantis legends, it's that time in the Bible when Adam and Eve are cast out from the garden of Eden and so on right? And when you get this event it leaves an indelible print in people subconscious. How can I call it? It creates archetypes. And what happens is that afterwards you get priests, or you get people who try to codify laws out of that time and the authority that they claim is represented by their knowledge of the symbols they have come down to us from this event alright so You know The way that Saturn is represented

55:10 Having knowledge of their representation gives you a certain amount of authority because people think to themselves she would be good to get back to time everybody wants to get back to that time. Most understand you gonna have the fair and equitable system for all of us to get back some kind of golden age but it's these symbols that come out of that time, these archetypes. The father god, the heroic Mars and Doomsday itself, the ultimate archetype but most importantly the all-seeing eye

55:47 when it was up above, you know. Something we missed talking about was that configuration would look like a giant eyeball up in the sky but that all-seeing eye is no longer there if you're wearing that kind of insignia You know, people assume it triggers subconscious reactions. Yeah like a genetic memory almost? Yeah and this is cross-cultural I don't care what race or ethnic group or religion you belong to it triggers these reactions in all of us and these guys know this they might not know the actual cosmology behind it

56:25 All right but they know what it does and it only takes somebody to go aha. I've got a shortcut here if i'm willing to exploit other people, right? And they use these symbols in these archetypes and particularly in the modern age they saturate our lives with these symbols and uh... The result is basically a subliminal control mechanism And obviously the control mechanism is the monetary structures. Yes, well that's the mechanism. Oh no I was just going to say...I've heard you talk about the Jubilee concept and the introduction of usury does this come out of these elite? It's kind of related to this correct?

57:11 Yeah. Well, you see if we take the what's called the Judeo-Christian thing and I think most people listening here – anybody from the English speaking world sort of can grasp concepts from that tradition better than if I started talking about, let's say Maori culture in New Zealand or Mesoamerican cultures in South America. But if we take that Judeo-Christian concept what we see is two competing systems one a system that is considered to be of God and espoused by his prophets, his priests and so on down the line. And then another system which is sort of this economic system espoused by man and is represented by the city of Babylon or you know down through ancient time and so on Now if we just forget about all the biblical details as what we've been told here

58:08 So there is a battle between a benevolent priesthood approach to understanding what it was that the Golden Age represented All right and what we can do to get back to a golden age and then you have a subversive malevolent system which says basically that you can use the very same symbols and archetypes but you can use them in such away as to control people inside now in the benevolence system. When it comes to the use of money and debt, they operate what's called a Jubilee system which is that all debts are cancelled every 49 years. It varies depending on what Middle Eastern tradition you have but nonetheless they have this idea. The malevolent system says no you are in debt and if you can't pay I take it all and I will take from your children and your children will have to pay and your childrens' children and so on

59:11 All right now if you're the type of person who sees that as the road to ensuring you get, you know that's a viable fight or flight mentality i'm gonna accumulate myself in my own. I'm that malevolent system is the one you gonna choose and someone you going to practice in trying bring on society overtime. And it's this battle down through the ages between these two types of thoughts that we see culminating into days in my opinion today so financial crisis where

59:50 We are at a level now which is probably only being reached on two occasions in history to the level that we're on the precipice of now. One, in the 1340s when Europe was decimated by The Black Death as a result of shenanigans going with the banks and the banks collapsing producing famine, the famine producing weakness that made people susceptible to disease turning up Stories from that time you really would have thought it was the apocalypse and you have cities of seven hundred thousand in the space three months being reduced to seven people you know it's absolutely diabolical. The other one of course comes down to us from history which is the fall of the tower of babel

1:00:39 Add that is the other event and we seem to go through this process as a species we let these creatures who would accumulate themselves. We give them the power to do so by giving them the power issue get base money and builds up in the bills up and here we are where i am on the precipice Right. Yeah, that's super interesting because the benevolent system The Jubilee System obviously has gone by the wayside in modern times it seems but is this where we get Because I remember and going to private school the idea of forgiving 70 times 7 all that stuff Is that related to their system of money? Totally

1:01:26 Yeah, that's the benevolent system. Okay? The idea is seven times seven, 49 every 49th year all debts are cancelled everything no butts. Wow! Everything starts again alright. The Persians practice a bit different whenever a new king came to the throne a jubilee happened so if the King ruled 30 years you had to wait 30 years if he rules five years you waited five years In the biblical system as practiced by the ancient Israelites, and not very well it would seem. But nonetheless the system that they looked at doing every seventh year was a rest year all right? And every 49th here was a total cancellation year of all debts and this is interesting because there are people

1:02:12 who are not religious, they're not associated with big time Christian agendas or Muslim agendas or Jewish agendas and so on. They're hardcore economists and they've reached the point where they talk about a Jubilee system solution often referred to as a reset And you know this does seem to be gaining popularity and in my opinion, I was reading the other day a guy doing a blog and i think he hit on the head when he said that one day we will look back at central banking and its debt based financial system. And we will regard it the same way we regards the institutional slavery, you know? We will look back on that and just wonder what the hell were those people doing allowing these guys to run a system

1:03:10 that indebted the world to the detriment of the vast majority. It's quite incredible. And the debt-based system is bad enough considering, you know, all the money is being made in the hands of a few but then you introduce interest or usury and people are supposed to pay back more than they received well they can't print their own money so where does that money come from? You know it's a system where you can never fully escape the debt That's right yeah i mean it is the interest of this the user elements that makes a database and you know i often said to people who may have heard me so they're going on about this.

1:03:51 in other interviews or something along those lines. But if somebody came to you and said, look I've got these 10 things, I'm gonna lend them to you there's only ten of them in the world but at the end of the year you're gonna have to give them back but I want 11 of them and if you don't give me 11 I'm gonna take your house, I'm going to take everything all right? You would say Yeah, thanks but no thanks. Well in very simplistic terms that's the con that we're under with central banking. That's what they did at the Jekyll Island when they instituted the Federal Reserve in America it's how the Bank of England was set up wherever you see this model that's what it is in a simplistic form It's not run that way because they financed the ability to pay back the debt with more debt

1:04:43 And so the national debt increases. That's why we have these ridiculously astronomical national debts plaguing us at this time, it's just purely because they keep financing the debt to get us more and more in debt as we go along and you know that that's where we're at things today. It's interesting to think that this monetary system spawned out of a change in the environment because Whether we were in the cocoon of this sub brown dwarf star or Revolving around our current Sun couldn't you implement the same type of control? regardless no, you couldn't because okay see this is what's important to understand all right when when you're in a The purple dawn era okay um

1:05:35 What happens is you have no reference to celestial objects. So there's no concept of time in such an environment, okay? Nothing revolves around anything. You can't create and understand time. You can maybe do so at a very limited basis on the local level but you can't sort of say to somebody look I'll see you in five days' time. There aren't any days', time or anything like that okay? You don't have that capacity Now, that's how the Purple Dawn thing happens. But the thing is that you still have an environment and this is getting back to our earth at that time. You have an environment that is basically a one season environment so you have perpetual harvest going on okay? And nobody can institute a system

1:06:23 Of insolvent on people when they can just simply move away and get food yeah i don't have to worry about shelter because it's a very benign environment is very little wind. I am so on that but you know the council of us say that when you get to the golden age, Where the second place up and makes it appear in some stuff starts to encroach on second territory knocks about during that time you still have messages of this one season world but also with the sun's warming rays coming in. You still have this situation where food is abundant

1:07:05 You're not going to be able to blackmail people on the basis that there is a scarcity of food. And so what happens though, is that because the cosmos has now been revealed at large they can see the sun, they can see the stars, they have the full zodiac points of the constellations and so on like that all the stuff allows people to create the concept of time and with the concept of time, with measure. And that's why the Greeks call... That's why Saturn in Greek, in most cultures is called The Father Of Time, The God Of Time. Time as a measure and once you start being able to measure things, you have the ability to create civilization. You move from just existing day-to-day feeding yourself on what's available

1:07:58 to this existence where you can measure, you can explore, you can map. You can survey your land but you still lack for what? You've got food wherever you need it there's no shortage however when Saturn leaves the scene And is replaced by the sun. We enter into a seasonal world and I think the bible best sums it up when it talks about, you know by the sweat of your brow will make the earth yield its fruits alright? So suddenly you've got to actually make an effort To get the fruits out of land because for six months in a year nothing's growing

1:08:49 All right, and with the introduction of that you get the introduction scarcity and where you've got scarcity You've got the potential for exploitation. Wow wow that is a great explanation it's so Weird to think about because I think about all the frustrating things of our modern society And they think it would be rooted in that environmental change is just pretty new to me It's pretty mind-blowing man Well again it comes back to the whole thing you know when you've been told a uh you know solar system has basically had the same we've had the same sky for billions of years even before humans existed this is how the sky would have looked

1:09:28 The idea that you have a catastrophic rearrangement of the planets in general, and the idea that not only is there a rearrangement but Saturn and Earth are actually interlopers. They're aliens coming in and being introduced into the system. When you have all that as part of the process to explain why mythology tells us this change happened It's all a bit, it almost sounds preposterous to most people. And I think that's where the problem exists now in writing Saturn Death Cult, I was aware that the same resources are available to me as there are to this culture I call the Saturn Death Cult, this culture that allows people to exploit others

1:10:26 i utilizing archetypes and symbols right hands is one of those things that i found a while so highly niche topic by introducing. These ideas are you also have those archetypes and symbols at my disposal and it's funny because you are, you're presenting the same symbols but with different explanation And it's my opinion that the result is that this tends to, I hear terms like hey resonates with me and all of that. To me is just purely and simply that the archetypes are being triggered in your subconscious but you're being presented with a way of thinking about them that has a natural explanation

1:11:17 rather than the way that some of the more nefarious examples, the more degenerative examples or ones that go down a ritualistic route present these very same symbols. And I think that appeals to people who are at least people who aren't psychopaths Yeah, man. I wanted to ask you a little bit more about these two financial systems because of course today we're dominated by the one, the fractional reserve banking system is there any more details you have about the competition between these two systems? When did the benevolent system kind of disappear? Well, the benevolence system disappears, I believe around about 600 BC

1:12:07 whereby you really have to dig deep into whichever text or whichever culture you're into. In the Judeo-Christian world, of course we've got our biblical references and the Muslim world also takes most of its It's mostly informed from those very same references. Buddhism, Hinduism, Confucianism in China and so on also makes references to these kinds of systems where an interest-bearing system money system is decried and it's there in the texts but what happens is that you get a

1:12:48 As soon as i was just developed between people who want to exploit the system by subverting. The measure that is money because this will be less than seven monies a major it measures the work done we know if we say something isn't it cost of dollar with saying it's a dollars worth of work has been put into that service all day good and that's the measure of it, okay? So if you subvert the measure you basically control how the measure pays out. You get to control a dividend and because the temples of the ancient priesthoods were the source where these weights or measures

1:13:37 We're allocated and how they would define we have to remember that Moses, you know the lawgiver in the Bible was highly highly focused on weights measures In terms of how he envisaged the Israelite ancient Israelite society to work And the same through many of the traditions in the other cultures You get this idea now if you subvert the temple where the priests who are responsible for that If you go in and start submitting the temple in terms of subversing these weights images then you can hide behind their credibility this is this creditability between legitimacy that comes from them being associated with these archetypes. They're drawn from the golden age,

1:14:20 And for anybody who wants to see how this mechanism works and i have to recommend joseph p ferrell's book babel on spanksters here he outlines the way through society this is an ongoing thing there is. thing where the temples are subverted, the temples issue money. Gold comes in against the money to back the money. The receipts against the gold are forged then the gold becomes the means of exchange and then the gold itself is then replaced by fiat you know, down through later on which is then entirely controlled by these people operating behind the temple. There's a reason the central banks all exist in buildings that look like temples it's part of their heritage you know this is where it all stems from

1:15:12 Well, I don't want to get too racy but you know you hear in the conspiracy world the Jewish banking conspiracy is a big one and there are stereotypes that apply to that faith or those people that are usually involving money and being miserly. And that kind of thing does this... Is this rooted in the introduction of usury and interest in ancient times? No, it's actually more a modern thing and it is very unfortunate result. I mean, I'm Scottish heritage and we have our miserly stereotype and all that sort of thing but what has been placed on the Jewish idea? And just as comment on that you know, I've looked into the idea there is dominated

1:15:59 by Jews and yes you see Jewish people at the top but when I looked closely into it there are just as many white Anglo-Saxon Protestants, WASPs involved in this game as anybody else. In other words it seems to me that whatever your ethnic background everybody's susceptible to the love of money and they go with it The problem for the Jewish situation is that in the Bible under Moses when it comes to lending money There's basically a law that says you shall not lend an interest, but you can lend the interest to the foreigner. Okay? All right so if a foreigner comes in and wants to borrow money from you, you can lend it interest to them now. The problem with this is that is a misunderstanding of what the law is trying to actually say what its saying as this is that these are lights are supposed to have a non-interest money based system

1:16:58 But if somebody from outside of that system comes in and borrows money, they can borrow money at no interest take their money into their system lend an interest make a massive profit and pay back it. No interest is called carry trade okay alright ok so the idea is that israel being an example to all other peoples, it wouldn't want to give somebody a foreigner the advantage over their own people by giving them a free source of interest-free loans. Okay? All right so if the foreigner comes in and he won't subject himself to Israel's laws and he wants to borrow money to take back his own country

1:17:43 The interest law is there to ensure he doesn't benefit from a carry trade at the expense of his own people. The problem is down through the middle ages, those in the Jewish community who got into that just simply saw it as a way of exploiting what they call the goyim, you know, the gentiles and This is unfortunate because at that time, the Christian West in particular actually had a prohibition on usury through the Catholic Church. Nobody could lend at usury so there was no need on the part of the Jewish people to do this and research into it shows that many Jews have actually down through the ages I'm talking about in the Middle Ages decried this practice

1:18:30 On that basis, but it got the better of certain Jews and they just couldn't resist the temptation to lend their interest. And so on and you know, and so subsequently the reputation in times of dire need particularly the 1340s and so on introduces a stereotype where people go hey it's the Jews fault But if you go and look back at the 1340s, it weren't Jewish banks that created the situation in their collapse. These were Christian banking organizations but unfortunately it has stuck with that particular ethnic group now

1:19:09 Now, the name Rothschild is always thrown up and in Satin Death Cult anybody who reads Satin Death Cult can see where I'm alluding to the Rothschild influence. And so on down through things but Rothschilds happen to be Jewish they're not banking store walls because they're Jewish They happened to be Jewish right? Because The Rockefellers are not Jewish and there another lot that dragged in on you know the whole sort of conspiracy side things Yes, the conspiracy in my opinion exists. It exists in a very nasty way but it's a red herring to go entirely down the Jewish line because there are just as many Goyim out there who are quite happy to get in on the act

1:19:52 And that's a fair point. I mean, of course no entire group of people is responsible for the acts of one member of their particular group or a small number of members but it is weird that the themes of money and religion are so more connected than we give them credit for in modern times and why shouldn't they be? Because they're probably the two most useful tools to control So why wouldn't groups of people use both tools to reap the biggest rewards Well you see, when you write a book called Satan Death Cult something that sounds incredibly lurid okay. You know people obviously are expecting I get a lot of people who say where are the stories about satanic ritual sacrifice? All this sort of stuff and where's the air reference to the devil or this kind of thing and i should say to anybody who is out there in doubt I personally at a personal level class myself as Christian

1:20:44 But my understanding is it is not the devil that is the root of all evil, It's the love for money that is designated as a root of all evil. when it comes to biblical stuff. Whatever anybody's concept of a devil, of anybody's concept of Satan is or whatever... It's actually he will exploit money more than whatever power you're supposed to have if you know what I mean? In other words what i'm saying is that the love of money is actually identified as the root cause for all the problems that we have and

1:21:20 In that term, the love of money means the love of accumulating by debt. If you love money, you're never going to release it or you're never going to get forgiveness in a Christian sense and this is what I think... It's a wonderful solution for me because it crosses all religious boundaries. It crosses all cultural boundaries. It crosses all racial boundaries. It's a logic anybody can see Yeah, I'm with you there. I think that's a good approach and a good philosophy So knowing what you know about the elite and this hidden history of the solar system in finance and Saturn Can you extrapolate any information on what the elite are planning for the future or how exactly they're trying to shape? The next few years any ideas yeah sure well quite obviously This was the adoption of the evolutionary idea You know in the modern age

1:22:18 It basically means that the elite are planning the next evolutionary step and instead of it coming through a messiah or a god or anything like that, some people will throw up luciferianism or luminism as a credo behind all this. But effectively what we're talking about is an evolutionary step facilitated by our own technological know-how and our own technical abilities. Some of this technology is rooted in ritual, particularly number based ritual and so on but the elite are looking to that next step where we inherit a golden age through our own means and come hooker by crook they are going to facilitate that

1:23:10 But to facilitate that, they need the resources of this world and they need us to work those resources for them. So there is a technologically based transhuman theme to what I see developing in the world, this idea that our next evolutionary step as the filmmaker Kubrick explored with 2001 Space Odyssey that you have to become star children and such. You know this is believed they can sort of develop the technological means and be masters of their own destiny but still comes back to that whole idea that day are.

1:23:54 You know that they're doing on the backs of us. The more nefarious thing that I allude to in Saturn Death Cult is that part of the plan is to cull the Earth, basically to return the Earth, to rewild it. The idea that one of the ways they can ensure long-term rulership over the earth is to limit the amount of us on the earth so that we don't overwhelm them by sheer force of numbers. And this is where you start, and certain people start talking about hey if I could come back as a virus to wipe out humanity I would and we're supposed to think these people are wonderful environmentalists and so on no they're just straightforward psychopathic elitists whose intent is they never talk about wiping themselves out they never take the example and apply it to themselves

1:24:44 Right but you know the use of malthusian economics and so on to justify their cause this game on green on certain environmental topics all those things designed to. Make us believe yeah it was inevitable that you know. We're gonna have to reduce ourselves from nine billion in the future down to five hundred million and so other people to go in one fell swoop but it, but you know greg it ties back into their whole thing hey there was a doomsday once where catastrophic events Created those kinds of casualties on a percentage basis so why not have another one you know simulated one when i bring in the new golden age with what does it say in congee bed destroyed the old gold image.

1:25:30 And this is really interesting because the concept of wanting to be a god is always considered to be pretty taboo and you know black magic goes into that realm of oh, we want to try to create the universe. This is interesting cause with this depopulation agenda you could see it as less people means less transfer of information and they can usher in their own cataclysm I've heard some researchers on the breakaway civilization thread talk about ushering in a giant collapse and total disaster, and then they might head out to space for a few decades and come back as the new gods. And if that were true, if that was a real possibility depopulation would be key because you'd have to keep the information from being off... You have to keep it off the earth, keep people from transferring that information so you could come back and then tell all these ignorant people the story and recreate this whole cycle that we might've been in for a long long time

1:26:27 Yes i think that's pretty much on the money in terms of a plan how advanced they are how feasible it is on their behalf. I don't know where i differ from hello to break away civilization oriented and you know some of the stories that utilize the breakaway civilization agreement with the idea that there is a breakaway civilization of their i'm absolutely certain but where i mean disagreement. Is it actually do not believe they have any control over the current collapse here people who believe that they are purposely collapsing, the financial system i actually believe that is in this calculation made you know and this whole deal and that is actually getting away from them

1:27:13 And the reason i believe that is because you know i developed a. I saw an understanding particularly through the writings of joseph p farrell and so on there's a third influence in the world that is what you would call nazi international messages, all their power base that was defeated supposedly second world war but has become a super state Existence in the world they have enormous financial clouds and right now you're seeing the market. They put down at the end of the second world war being called then this is why do you have all these bailouts going on a song the anglo-american banking elita an absolute panic, and basically there is a growing

1:28:01 Influence and you know, I've been on the record as far back as 2011 saying this but coming out of China coming out of Russia. This seems to be a you know, so they How can I a different influence that is at odds with the Anglo-American banking establishment? And I honestly believe that You know what we're seeing in Ukraine. What we're seeing in Syria Is at the very tip of the iceberg of what's actually going on and the struggle where the Anglo American banking elite Are you know, they're basically on their way out and I think it's a great thing

1:28:40 Right. Yeah, like maybe these breakaway civilization ideas are just their contingency plan because they're losing control that makes perfect sense I've also heard people talk about the idea of why in the past few decades we've seen so much anti-muslim ever since 9 11 and that we're going hard at the Middle East a lot of that is these banking Structures trying to expand their markets to keep them afloat just a little while longer kick the can down the road Yeah, well you see it's one. It's one part of what you would call the international finance system That still adheres to an on interest You know ethic and? You know they're there if you know he just take that dictum the root of all evils love money in

1:29:24 You know money is going to be at the core. Of what's going on there. But you know, for me the big issue is watch what the Chinese are doing with gold? Watch what the Russians have been doing with gold and watch their relationship particularly with Germany because I believe that these guys are going to introduce a commodity-backed system that is going to completely destroy the effectiveness of the fiat US dollar reserve currency system You know, the petrodollar system. I don't think that's the end of the equation and I'm not a great fan of commodity-backed money either it has its own problems but i think that's the phase we're in at the moment and I would always advise people to watch very carefully for me it is relationship between Russia and Germany That's the most interesting thing happening as a socio economic geopolitical level

1:30:22 Yeah, and Germany's got a rich history of interesting financial structures. And man we could just talk about this stuff all day It has been super eye-opening and in the beginning I wasn't sure why The elite would want to keep this secret because it's just like oh You know there used to be a different Sun big deal but now you know everything that they've built right hinges on that so to keep the one secret you know it would all unravel you hear people talk about that a mountain of lies no one live he gets the next and your hot on the heels of revealing that truth there's a reason they stick their ridiculous i am not used all the bill yeah amidst say uh... it's day for a reason which is so out of bounds in terms of rational thoughts

1:31:10 And so on, but it actually makes sense when you understand there's a control mechanism in terms of our deep-rooted subconsciousness. Yeah, Troy. This has been an amazing time! I really think it would be awesome if we did a follow-up sometime but we're getting... Anytime. Nice yeah it's just fascinating ideas man and you have to do so much groundwork to replace the basis that so many people have for history of money history of the solar system It's a huge topic You're undoing decades of learning or indoctrination to give people real learning. So I think that's great, but before we go would you like to tell the people about your website? Or anything else you're working on?

1:31:53 Yeah, well the website is satindeathcult.com and there is an e-book version which has a little bit more material than what's on the website that you can buy that gives you a little bit more sort of background to some of the cosmology and some of the science around certain things but yeah this is the website I'm pleased say that over the last year I've also released a second book which is much more inclined towards the cosmology and answers questions of what our solar system as it is now look like before the arrival of Saturn on Earth. I've done that in conjunction with an author called Ted Holden, a book called Cosmos In Collision you'll see it advertised on my website. It acts like a prequel to Saturn Death Cult but it's much more geared towards

1:32:45 cosmology and academic referencing than Saturn Death Cult is. So check that out if the cosmology appeals to you. Awesome! Well Troy, it has been a real pleasure I'm definitely down to do it again sometime there's so much more meat on these bones but until then man take care of yourself alright? Thanks very much, Greg. I really enjoyed myself. Cheers! There it is people another show in the bag which will forever change the way i speculate about the ancient past and i hope you can agree might not be 10 000 years old literally but maybe that's the date hardcore christians use because its birth of modern world but little do they know that

1:33:23 Maybe it explains mammoths in the Arctic region and stories of a global golden age, a paradise... an Eden if you will. Is this what Stanley Kubrick was trying to tell us? Does this explain the giant skeletons that have been found? Lots of things to think about as you tuck your pretty little self into bed tonight, fill out those all-important forms or stock the shelves of perpetual predatory capitalism. And I am happy to distract your mind ever so slightly while you deal with whatever it is The Saturn Death Cult is throwing at ya! Please share the show with your friends sign up for The Plus Show at thehiresideschatsplus.com Or throw five bucks in the money bomb or just keep listening...I love you guys Your move members of the Saturn Death Cult. Your fucking move.

1:34:06 But if I ran off to India, wore sandals and shaved my head And used body shop conditioner, burn incense like crazy. I could call myself a spirit head! I only went to India to look on top, I wore sandals cause' I'd smoked all my money And I shaved off all my hair cause' I had the fleas...I've been sleeping all over And the body shop conditioner was a present from a friend. And the incense used to hide The smell of the drugged end where I lay... So, I ask myself what my motives are For this lying need To look so free? If I tell my sonestly What more can I admit to open up a door He said, I'm gonna find out what I am here for

1:35:09 I always believed that if i never missed a yoga class, read my horoscope in the dailies and recycled bottles so no one read Indian. But I was only doing yoga cause' I fancied the teacher The stars, cause it looked good on paper The church cause my granny gave me money when confession was all I only knew the Indian cause his brother's a dealer Bottles at a price and they're returned So i could go home Oh mama And so I ask my motives off To these flying knees that look so free No ma, honestly

1:36:18 I admit to open up a door He said, I'm gonna find out what i'm here for He said, Find out soon! I got too much Saturn Not enough Yeah yeah yeah yeah So now that you know Don't look Now that you see Why I am so scared Ah

1:37:11 Am I a deep, deep man? Or can I admit to all he said? I'm gonna find out what I'm here for He said I'd find out soon. I got too much Saturn tonight Or he said I'm gonna find out what I'm here for He said I'll find out soon! I got too much Saturn and I ain't no And if we're grateful, and we're thankful. And we're spiritual If we're hiding We're denying the inside So don't let your spirit die Kneel down your arms And walk together into the light

1:38:43 Find the words to be all forgiving It's gonna take some time Old disease it got a hold of apologize And it's a myth to say we block things out When really block them in Oh I'm so sorry baby But I do think I can If we're grateful for each other If we're hiding, we're denying

1:39:28 inside So don't let your spirit die E-dams and we'll walk together into the light I cannot get to sleep cause i feel so angry It's gonna take a while disease put a resentment in me, Tito smile And it's a joke to think im hurting really hard

1:40:13 Been beating myself for so long now I'm so unnatural If we're grateful, hide him We're denying the inside So don't let your spirit die Me down your arms And we'll walk together into the light Love is the only thing that can set us all free Fighting anybody Love is the only thing

1:41:14 I need it, i feel it Now i feel grateful I feel thankful I feel spiritual I'm not hiding or denying

1:42:12 We'll be in a light heart and we're together. In the light, and we will stay together