THC 114: Robert Morningstar | Secrets of the Solar System, Mythology, & Extraterrestrials

00:04 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed a nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times but we're far from 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration We offer a fresh conversation! I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chats How the hell are we doing, Ironside Chatters? It's a beautiful day to drink a little drink. A perfect time to smoke a little smoke! I'm your humble host Greg Carlwood from the mean streets of sunny San Diego and today were wading through a raging river of lies perpetrated by NASA, The Global Elite, religious institutions and God knows who else about the moon Saturn Spaceships Jesus and the goddamn chupacabra But before we dive in i want to tell you people about the new conspiracy HQ that is launching July 1st

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02:31 Okay people, we know by now that the world is far stranger than the Shadow Wheel elite like to make it seem and when you start looking at stories of ET contact, alien races, abductions UFO crashes and the reverse engineering of these crafts The strange anomalous structures in satellite imagery on both the moon AND Mars And the tens of thousands of anecdotal stories It's easy to start feeling like you're the odd man out at a boring 9-5 reality when a world that sounds like something out of Star Trek exists just beyond your reach. Believe me folks, I've known the feeling! And with the Secret Space Program and Breakaway Civilization conference just around the bend on June 28th and 29th in San Mateo California what better way to explore the hidden reality than by talking it out with Robert Morningstar who is a legend in the field and a guy who I would consider one of the most compelling speakers on already packed panel powerhouses

03:20 Robert has studied the paranormal and UFOs for over 40 years, and has published many research articles online exposing government cover-ups and deception in the JFK assassination. He's also written extensively to expose NASA's use of disinformation technology in suppressing evidence of extraterrestrial life and exposing the real nature and threat of the UFO phenomenon And he is also the associate editor of The Famed UFO Digest You know him! You love him! Robert Morningstar welcome to THC Thank you very much. It's a pleasure to be here Yeah, man thanks for doing this on such short notice so close to the big conference I mean i've been listening to You talk about these subjects for years man and i'm always intrigued And i'm really looking forward to seeing your presentation if i can get away from my booth For a little while and i don't want to step all over your presentation material But can you give us an idea of what you'll be focusing on this time? I think the moon is a big part of it right

04:12 The moon is a big part of it. I'm going to take the audience on a journey to Mars and then back to the moon, and then when we come back to Earth, I expect that everyone's going to have a totally new consciousness. That's my goal. My goal... When I was invited and I heard the name of the event, the idea of the breakaway civilization My instant reaction my first phrase to myself was you have a breakaway civilization you have to have a break away consciousness and i propose that to your own. Run stratton and henrik palm green who are the organizers,

04:58 and they like the idea. And this is the thing that we need to expand our consciousness in order to comprehend, the magnitude of what awaits us both on Mars and on the other side of the moon. What awaits us is a presence that has been there I believe since time immemorial An intelligence that has been interacting with mankind or intelligences there several and summer pro human in summer anti human and thats thats my concern. That there is not a clear distinction in as to who the players are on this very high level of contention for the resources and uh,

05:47 Resources and lives on planet earth so that'll be a big trip to mars we're gonna explore the dingo gap martian junkyard and i expect to show some remarkable work from some of my teammates. Teammates are people who have been in contact with me for a while or long while or short while but who see eye to eye with me and who see with the same kind of vision which is I like to say that God gifted me with two great things, 20-20 vision and a 20-20 tongue. Which means I see what I see and I say what I see and if I'm wrong, I welcome corrections, course corrections are very important. To be wrong on a couple of things is not a failure

06:40 To be wrong, to show you're wrong and stay wrong. That's a failure. And sometimes I like people think that if you get one thing wrong your totally discredited. I'd like to remind people about school. You know when you test If you got it from 100 to 90, you still had an A even though you got nine questions wrong. Then you worked your way down and it's not a total loss to be wrong about some elements but to be self-deluded, to accept falsehood as truth. our fellow citizens have for 50 years, since the time of the assassination of President Kennedy who was and remains very dear to me. My mentor you might say my spiritual guide so I want to break that mind control apparatus by showing people what has been hidden from us for fifty years in the JFK assassination for 42 years with regard to the Apollo photographs

07:44 Oh yeah, I think it's gonna be great man. You're right it's super tough to be 100% accurate when you're dealing with this level of deception. It's a process and hazy but I think you do a great job man. No problem in terms of the moon so interesting because I hear these stories about what might be on the far side of the moon and where the moon might have come from. And you have all these airbrush NASA photos, right? Some researchers go so far as to say that it's a hollow artificial space station and that seems really far out but I wish i could just get up there and see for myself cause he can't trust anything anymore. I agree! You know I unwittingly went along believing everything that NASA puts up on its pages

08:29 And in recent months I've had a lot of contention. You know, I have a troll and I have a couple of these trolls and gremlins that follow me around on my internet site on Facebook and they try to sabotage my work And throw monkey wrenches into it but i'm willing to unwittingly and trying to prove me wrong. The same people have sent me links to the cc you're on your own haha and open up the link and guess what, the links they sent me led me to the discoveries that i'm going to be the exposing or showing

09:07 You know what, debate is important. Harassment is not fun but when somebody starts to harass you And bully you cuz that's what it is its internet harassment and bullying and isn't when people get out get together in groups is a crime and it's called predatory gang stalking. I'm very up on this cause it happened for so many years people didn't have the word to wrap their heads around or label what was being done to them but the term is pretty sorry gang stalking and it's become a modus operandi standard operating procedure,

09:45 in government, in bureaucracies and corporations and just in general society. Flash mobbing is a form of predatory gang stalking where group of people will say hey we're gonna hit that store everybody show up or you know we're going to ransack this well like they do it to marts Target all those places anyway that is a sample of it and it happens to all of us So be aware folks, and you do have recourse You can go to the FBI and tell them listen somebody's really harassing me And messing with my email, and I've done that actually. I have had good contacts with the FBI everybody thinks they're boogeymen But they really are good upright outstanding men and the ones that were involved in the Kennedy assassination were under great duress

10:35 And I say to the FBI, thank you very much for all the work that you do and all the work that you've done to save my life a couple of times. We can get into that. The FBI helped me when I had a very serious problem flying in single engine aircraft over Kennedy Airport where all of my electrical systems went out. Wow! landing gear, fortunately the airplanes are set up to keep running even when the electricity because they have magnetos so they keep running but everything else was shot and I made it back to the airport thinking that i was going to have to make a landing on the grass because the retractable landing gear was up.

11:22 And when I pushed the switch to get it down, it wasn't locking in. You're supposed to get three green lights when your nose gear and your wing gear is locked in place and they were just swinging. And I said oh my God you know this went on the grass so I don't destroy the airplane but fortunately I found out that the FBI had followed my plane All the way to the airport and had warned the airport that I was in trouble So when I got close to the airport, I heard a voice to say Piper or Piper arrow so-and-so

11:59 If you're the airplane with trouble, click your mic twice. You're cleared to land on runway 22." It was the nicest thing I've ever heard and I was able to make it back so I found out that it was the FBI on my tail that helped me get back. Fortunately just before I landed, the landing gear locked into place because in slowing down the plane from 140 knots to the landing speed which is 76. The wind abated somehow and we got a little tap on the grounding wire, which was the problem and I was able get the gear down. Wow man! You lead an interesting life, an interesting wildlife. Man you got lucky there but so i wanted to ask you a little bit about

12:45 kind of the hidden history of the solar system. Cause I hear this talked about more and more, and it's fascinating stuff. A lot of researchers you know, you talked about maybe different ET groups that have been here for a long time. And there are researchers that kinda speculate that humanity may have come from somewhere else like even Mars. Yes! I agree completely yes i do Do you think some races are indigenous to mars or earth? Yes, I do believe that. I believe that there was a parallel evolution not only on Mars and Earth but on the Moon and some of the moons of Saturn You asked me earlier...I think it was you who talked mentioned about the Sun? That Saturn was once a sun? Yes! There is one of the world's foremost experts in gravitational physics

13:42 is Dr. Ed Belbruno of Princeton University, and he wrote a book called Fly Me to the Moon and when he released it I went to hear him speak in there were copies of his book around and I did a review of it but when I opened up his book the first page that I opened to stated that in the early history of the solar system Saturn was a sun Saturn was a Sun and we were a binary star system, and that it died down. It didn't really...it started up but it didn't jumpstart to the full fusion stage and it died down

14:26 Another theory is that Jupiter, I've heard that we were once a triple Sun system in the very early you know the hot really hot period of the evolution of the solar system. That Saturn, Jupiter and our sun Sol where we comprise a three-sun system if that is true then you can see that Jupiter and Saturn would have been mini solar systems, you know? They would have been minor stars to our major star the Sun. And as I say God only knows what he could cook up in that primordial soup with 12 moons on Jupiter and 11 moons on Saturn. One interesting thing about Saturn that I will share with you now

15:17 In 1949, Project Sign which became Project Grudge which became Project Blue Book was concerned with the UFO problem and the problem of these giant motherships that had been observed taking positions in equatorial orbits around the Earth. And from these motherships, the scout ships were descending. Scout ships being the smaller crafts like the ones that crashed at Roswell. The ones plural there were two UFO's that crashed at Roswell and one landed in the Foster Ranch and the other one landed in the plains of St Augustine

16:04 A great book has been written by Arthur Campbell regarding the recovery of artifacts from the plains of St. Augustine and I recommend that to everyone, it's the most profound and thoroughly scientific book that I believe I've ever read or seen on the Roswell crash. And they found pieces of high-density polyethylene which along with certain metal fragments which seem to have components of otherworldly molecules. So I recommend the UFO crash on the plains of St Augustine by Arthur H Campbell,

16:50 So, this project sign memo that I read is part of those Majestic 12 documents that you can find in Dr. Robert Wood's website, Majestic12, I believe is the website, majestic.com or either way the statement was this that the United States government, the United States Air Force Department of Defense had enlisted the top astronomers and the straw-top astronomy observatories astronomical observatories to try to track the UFO's. To see where these fleets of UFOs were coming from and they did so! And they reported back to the United States Department of Defense

17:40 that they had tracked these fleets, the motherships through their powerful telescopes and that they found that they were originating coming to...coming from and going back to the moon Titan. Wow! Saturn's moon Titan Yeah there is a lot of speculation about Titan having vast oceans That's pretty interesting Vast oceans of methane Hmm, yeah thing even weirder weirder Titan looks more like planet Earth topographically speaking than any other of the moons or planets that we've explored and has terrain and mountain ranges in continents but the oceans are made of liquid methane which I believe is something like a hundred and sixty seven degrees below zero

18:30 And of course, we believe that no life can exist in such climes. But about three years ago a few NASA scientists came out and said that they had found special form of life in Mono Lake California which was based on arsenic it was a cell or culture that Reproduce itself and metabolism in its life cycle was based not on carbon but an arsenic of all things i do remember seeing that yeah very well this and the premise of this revelation.

19:11 Was her name was dr. Wolf and she had hyphenated names, but I don't remember dr Wolfe or Wilson But she said a very interesting thing She said the important thing about their finding was that The search for life as we have conducted it for the last 40 years Life on Mars life on the moon life anywhere has been Conducted through too narrow a window We've been looking only for carbon based life in And this showed that there is another form of life, that was based on arsenic. And then she made the most amazing statement she said now this lifeform cannot thrive on earth because the temperature is too hot

19:53 It needs all of its energy just to maintain its steady state, so it cannot expand propagate reproduce. It just has this keep accumulating the arsenic to maintain a steady-state existence. However on another planet where the temperature was much colder than Earth And she then said, perhaps on some place like Saturn's moon Titan where the temperature is 167 below zero. It might be possible for such an organism to thrive and propagate. That was earth shattering statement! And really the important thing was pointing out that they perhaps the paradigm is wrong that our assumption that all life any life

20:45 Must be based on the carbon is is a is a fallacy. It's an erroneous assumption So they called for reviewing all the previous work that we've done and to start expanding opening the window a little wider In order to see whether or not we missed something with regard to this I'd like to say that There's a Dr. Levin who was in charge of the Mars Viking Life Research Project and they claim to have found life back in 1976 when Viking landed, they did an experiment and the experiment was to scoop up some dirt and drop in some nutrients that had a little bit radioactivity in it

21:35 And the premise was that if there were any microbial activity in the soil, then it would eat the nutrient and exude gases that could be picked up because they were radioactive. Indeed they did. And an announcement was made that there was life on Mars, then NASA quashed that finding and said that the experiment was wrong and that they did another experiment that proved it was wrong Well, the experiment that they did was a different experiment and it was intentionally conducted to kill any life that was in soil

22:17 I was watching Dr. Levin on a show on the Science Channel, and it was called NASA Secret UFO Files. And he said that what they had done is they had taken soil and cooked it and then tested that soil for life. He said how can you find any life in soil Heated in such a way that it would kill any microbial life. Yeah, he's taking fresh soil poured the nutrient in and up came like the gases Because you know a lot of people don't know the bacteria poop

22:59 Mm-hmm. Yeah, so there's this term that the scientists cooked up for a ALH 84001 you know they the meteorite down in Antarctica which also showed life like forms and microbes in it and They said it had been alive because they found paws PAHS poly aromatic hydrocarbons is so You know what I mean? It's a fart. A bacteria fart! So anyway, the polyaromatic hydrocarbons were found in the specimen that came from Antarctica and I think it was Dr McKay who announced this was sign of life on Mars and even President Clinton came out and said we have great news they found signs of life on Mars

23:52 But each time that these findings have been brought forth, they have been backtracked and quashed by NASA. And this decision was made a year before we took off for the moon in 1967. A decision was made officially at the highest levels of NASA and the highest levels of government that if we should ever find any evidence of life previous life present life, previous civilizations higher intelligence civilization that the world should not be told because it would just be too disruptive to the social economic and political fabric of the planet. It's so weird and I think that such a fallacy i don't think thats necessarily true but um

24:37 I wanted to get back to or just touch on the Saturn and Jupiter Sun thing again because it's this opens up a huge window for me because i have a few shows coming up where guests are going to be talking about the elite, or the Illuminati whichever name you want to put on it. And their worship of Saturn and Jupiter they have these cults that worship Saturn in Jupiter And that adds a really interesting layer. To hear that the UFOs might have been coming from one of Saturn's moons, I mean maybe this is the big secret these elite are alluding to in all their symbolism and worship?

25:14 We're talking about a solar system war. I won't call it galactic because they're not from other stars, you see? I believe this story about them being interstellar travelers... Yeah there might be that but it's really not necessary. I've always said I believe the greys are local yokels in parallel evolution maybe some kind of silicon based life that evolved on Titan or some other planet but what I was going to say The legends tell us what happened. Mythology is not something that's not true, mythology is something that contains an essential truth

25:53 to be transferred in the simplest form possible so that the truth is maintained or the fact is maintained. And what we're talking about, is the war between the Olympians and the Titans. The Olympian's being the people from Jupiter and the Titan's being the ones from Saturn. Wow! That's what I believe we're dealing with. A war that occurred, perhaps also involving Mars...I know that Mars was destroyed by a cataclysm of such incredible proportions that when I saw the after effects, I felt fear and dread in the pit of my stomach It's interesting that your logo here, The Higher Side Chat

26:41 has the microphone with an eye looking over it. Well, the Eye of Mars is a phenomenon that's been seen for over 100 years. Percival Lowell wrote about it And nobody could explain what it was. But in 2003, I got to see Mars at its closest approach to planet Earth in 60 thousand years through a very high level telescope 128x superplosive lens which made Mars look 128 times closer than it was at its closest point in sixty thousand years. Make a long story short let me just describe this way What I saw through the telescope would be like you going out

27:23 that any night there's a full moon, looking at the full moon which is 250 000 miles away. Okay so 38 000 miles divided by 128 comes to about 271 000 miles. Mars is twice as big as the Moon! So I saw through the telescope something that you might imagine if you went out and looked at the full Moon one night That's 250,000 miles away. Imagine another object in the sky that was only 20,000 miles farther away but twice as big as the moon." Wow! Yeah. So that's how big I saw Mars and when I saw it, I saw in one eyeball full

28:09 of light and darkness that Mars was destroyed overnight. Its ecosystem was utterly devastated by asteroid impacts, and the asteroid impact that I'm talking about cracked the planet created the Valles Marineris, that trench-like Grand Canyon from San Diego to New York four times deeper 18 miles wide as well as creating an uprise of mountains or highlands called the Tarsus Bulge. So when I saw this, I realized oh my God! In one night. Like the story of Atlantis you know? Mars may be a primordial recollection of Atlantis or it's a cycle that civilizations rise and fall both on continents and planets and they are destroyed by natural events. Be that as it may whichever it is

29:10 I saw these things, I saw the Hellas Basin still steaming it seemed to me. That one really frightened me! I saw that one the night before I saw the eye of Mars and that is steaming...I saw vapors rising out of the Hellas basin which is about 600...it's an elliptical impact crater asteroid impact crater that's six hundred miles on the long axis of the oval and it looked like it was full of vapor, and it was fuming and smoking. And it looked to me like it had just hit another frightening thing! I could see rainbows glimmering over the surface of this fluid or these vapors. I could see the edges rising and falling like water does at the side of the ocean when waves are coming where the tide is going incoming...and I could see the striations

30:03 of the well, the basin itself. And it looked like what we see in the Grand Canyon. I think that people who gravitate to the southwest, the Grand Canyon and Arizona or Utah may have a lot of Martian genes in them and they like to be close to places that look like home. Wow! Yeah. That's my intuition about why people settle where they do So, this destruction of Mars by this cataclysm was just self-evident. And then a couple years later Mission to Mars came with Gary Sinise and Tom Robbins and those... it's a really fine film but everything I've told you is depicted at the end of that movie which was made with NASA's cooperation. And when you see the end of the movie when they walk into the face on Mars and walk into the room that has the hologram of the solar system

30:58 Everything I've just told you will be depicted as a matter of fact the are the asteroid impact that i've described that created the eye of mars in in the region called solus lockets. That has to go right under gary sinise armpit, no it is blown up and on the rendering is fantastic type of disclosure happens in hollywood films Well, it's not weird. It's planned that they have to prepare us and let me tell you in 1965 I was watching a program here in New York called the Alan Burke show This was a very intellectual fellow who used to sit for an hour with amazing guests each Saturday night And one night he had Frank Edwards on discussing flying saucer serious business That's the name of his title of his book but the title of the book is

31:50 He did not make up the title comes from a statement made by Admiral Roscoe H. Hill and Cotter, the first director of the Central Intelligence Agency who in February of 1960 made a public announcement that the Air Force was hiding the reality of UFOs and flying saucers. And he said that the Air Force was secretly harassing airmen, and Air Force personnel to keep their mouths shut forbidding them to talk threatening them with legal action and punishment if they should divulge that UFOs are real. The phrase that Admiral Hillenkater used was

32:31 In the United States Air Force, flying saucers are serious business. So Frank Edwards dropped the R and he just called it flying saucers serious business but on this program He had He spoke at length about The need to prepare the public for contact And he said that the CIA was well aware of the extraterrestrial presence and flying saucers But they felt that Revealing it to the public in 1960 or yeah, about 1960-65 which was just 20-25 years after the War of Worlds panic that occurred when Orson Welles did his show. That the government was very concerned that it might create a social upheaval loss of faith collapse of religions economic hardships

33:23 and that it would depress the scientists, the engineers and the doctors so badly that they might not even get up to go work next morning. I'll talk about that paper a bit later but the point was more important point with this Frank Edwards said that the CIA had a plan of seven cycles of seven years 7 times 7 49 years Within the seven cycles of seven years, the public would be slowly acclimated to accept the extraterrestrial presence as real. and persuaded that it is not hostile, and that they were not really the evil monsters from outer space. They were the typical depiction of aliens in the 1950s It was The Thing, it came from outer space, The Crawling Eye I married a monster from outer space Everything was really hostile and lethal and evil He said that slowly especially during the next... during 70's

34:29 A new kind of extraterrestrial would be presented to us that would be less frightening and slowly the public, he said also this. He said you are going to see films like you have never seen before. You're going to see films with technology and special effects that you can't even imagine now. And then when Star Wars and Close Encounters of the Third Kind came out in 1977 which was 12 years after this conversation I This is what Frank Edwards was talking about. The Starfleet, you know Darth Vader... Why do you think they have a Wookiee in Star Wars? Bigfoot hangs around with flying saucers and there are lot of UFO events that are contemporaneous with bigfoot sightings around the world. Yeah! So it is a serious issue

35:23 And then, as I said in 1967 NASA commissioned the Brookings Institution a think tank like the Rand Corporation to come up with a plan for the peaceful uses of outer space. That's what this chapter is called on the peaceful uses about our space and in it they deal with the subject of whether or not to reveal to the public if we were defined life on the moon or signs of life, previous life or advanced civilizations that died away whether or not we should tell the public. And the Brookings Institution said no you shouldn't tell the public as I said because it would be too disruptive and they emphasized religion

36:10 Above all other things that religions would become destabilized belief systems would be compromised and i don't know why they did this i think it's one of their control mechanism so the other control mechanisms goes away there gonna be upset so they wanna prove preserve that but i don't think they generally care about, the fragile minds of the religious people i think they just want to keep their control institution intact. Right, well I say this that religion regardless of what you believe in it is a glue that holds societies together. It's also the cause for a lot of war though Exactly sure but you know what i was going to say? I don't know why they picked on the Buddhists They said that the Buddhist religion would be upset and

36:56 destabilized by the revelation of aliens, alien civilizations or extraterrestrial life. And I said that's a lot of malarkey because the Buddhists have so many gods, so many demons, devils, angels all Asuras, all kinds of creatures in their hierarchy you know from from the microbe and the bug to the godhead...I don't think the Buddhists would have any trouble dealing with extraterrestrials. As a matter of fact, I believe that Buddhism and Islam and Christianity were all... Judaism were all started by extraterrestrial influences Yeah they're in there in the early days And yeah, I think burning Bush was a landed UFO That could make sense! That's interesting A lot of people also think it is a psychedelic trip

37:50 But it's definitely layered in symbolism and who knows what the real core story really was. It's interesting you should say that because if you study the religious texts, very often the visionaries who see God or the angel Gabriel or the Lord they see the Lord in the Old Testament they see Christ in the New Testament there is always an eating of something For example, Daniel is told to take up this scroll and eat it. And then in the book of The Revelations Saint John is told to take the book and eat it that'll be bitter in his mouth and sweeten his stomach or vice versa but there's always ingestion. There's a remarkable book written on this subject called

38:45 Sacred Mushroom and the Cross by John Allegro. Yes, John Allegro is one of the foremost scholars on the Dead Sea Scrolls And he translated The Copper Scroll and I believe The War Scroll but way back in the 70's He wrote a book positing that Christ Jesus Christ initiated his disciples with the sacred mushroom many of the titles that Jesus assumes and that are traditional in the Bible like Son of Man, Son of God are really allusions to the name of the sacred mushroom in the Middle East which is called The Flesh Of God. I recommend that book too everyone. I think it's a book that has really got great insight and since I've mentioned John Allegro and The Dead Sea Scrolls I'd like to point out that in the scroll called The Chariots Of Glory

39:43 It explicitly states that the angels of the Lord were coming and going to the encampment at Qumran riding on chariots of glory. If furthermore states, that in the center of the Qumran encampment there was a tabernacle which was a tent in which the angels would have intercourse with the women And they're very very strict Hygienic rules and protocols one of which was dealing with the purification ritual should any of the women. Receive angel seed on their arms or their legs that had to be cleaned completely and purified so,

40:37 Apparently there was a lot of sexual intercourse going on between these angels and Qumran women. Yeah, there was! Which leads us to the conception of Jesus... You know? Now I'd like to make... Right well listen you know we know A lot of people confuse two concepts in Christianity Immaculate Conception and Virgin Birth And they confused it too. I would like to clarify something Theologically speaking according to Christian Dogma Immaculate conception does not refer to Jesus' conception without sexual intercourse. Immaculate conception refers to the conception of Mary's soul as the purest vessel held since the beginning of time by Godhead in secret, in a perfect and sacred place where her soul could not be contaminated because she would be the repository or one who would bring Messiah to earth

41:38 virgin birth, this is what we today would call artificial insemination. So the inference is that Mary was preserved from the beginning of time to be the purest vessel to conceive the Christ but the Christ himself was conceived without sexual intercourse and so you would call it artificial insemination an interesting symbol is to be found in the Quran. The Quran tells the story of Jesus' conception and the coming of the angel Gabriel, and parallels the Christian except it makes one statement that the Christian Bible does not. It says that Mary conceived because the angel Gabriel blew the word of God with a trumpet into her ear. Strange!

42:37 Somewhat unless you understand symbolism if you took two years and put them together let's just say you know to several years can you put them your load that your load what would you get. I guess it would look like a vagina and then you got to trumpet. Exactly so, exactly so! And now it says that the angel Gabriel used the trumpet to blow the word of God into Mary's ear So I think there is pretty explicit description of an artificial insemination procedure Yeah, I can see that. I definitely could That's... It's an interesting take on that stuff Well let me see here We have to study lot of different things You know Absolutely To get the

43:21 The holographic image, you know if you read only one religious text and accept it as the be all and end all. It's kind of like seeing one flat side like a photograph but you read many or scores or hundreds and you start to see from all these different angles, then you get what I would call a hologram. You can walk around the subject look under and above it and see with depth into it so I think all of us are part of this mystery and all of us contain that same seed

43:58 People are really in shock these days and science doesn't know what to do, really with this very very delicate subject of the newest findings in DNA research and the discovery that Neanderthal man was not human. Okay, yeah if you look at the tree. You know the Darwinian tree of evolution it started with you know the proto hominid and then Homo erectus and then the human and they believe that the human came down and branched off into You know Cro-Magnon And in Neanderthal and that they lived to cohabitate and then Cro-Magnon wiped out neanderthal well the most recent

44:47 DNA studies show that Neanderthal was not human, it came down along a different evolutionary pathway and then Neanderthal crossed with the proto-hominid as it existed in North Africa and in Siberia. And that crossing is what created the Caucasian race. And so Africans do not have this Neanderthal gene And all Caucasians do. These different species that you say some might have even originated off the planet Earth. And we got about 10 minutes left, I kind of did want to get to some of those alien races if we could. Okay Well because you mentioned the Olympians versus the Titans and that's fascinating to me Do you think those are the Greys and Nordics? Uh...I would think so!

45:54 We can't even imagine, you know what it really was. This is talking about spiritual warfare yet it demonstrates and describes tremendous technological power as a matter of fact before Homer the Theogony was written by Hesiod. Hesiod's Theogony is the origins of the gods and you will never ever read more explicit description of an atomic bomb than the point at which Hesiod describes Zeus destroying the Titans with his thunderbolt, his lightning bolt. You will read that passage and you are reading a description of Hiroshima

46:46 Right. Which brings me to another subject, since we do have such a short time left I want to bring it back to the Moon project that i'm going to present at San Mateo at the Space... Secret Space Program Breakaway Civilization Conference. I am going be showing photographs taken by the Apollo astronauts in 72 from 68-72 showing what is really on the moon that there are towers as word has been described in rumor and story since the nineteen seventies when i first heard about it, i released a photo to you of a tower that i've named big ben yeah crazy like its out of this world literally and then.

47:29 There is a constellation of space stations that has been orbiting and parked on the far side of the Moon since at least in 1960s. And I will be presenting photographs of this constellation, of space stations which were seen and photographed by the astronauts. I sent you another photograph that I dubbed The Moon Racer, I showed you...I sent you two frames This is one of the most amazing pieces of film that I have ever seen and i recently discovered it. And what was, you know the astronauts were all really high-tech military men and fighter pilots guys with fast eyes so one of the astronauts on Apollo 16 saw this thing coming and he jumped to the window with his camera ready and he tracked this thing across the moon

48:27 And the way I saw it, could not believe it. It looked to me like Wonder Woman's airplane. Remember Wonder Woman had this invisible airplane like glass and a glass airplane? Maybe you're too young for that. But she had a sort of transparent or translucent airplane that would be camouflaged by its see-through appearance. Well I see this thing racing across the moon and this astronaut, my god what an eye! And what coordination because he got this thing perfectly centered in the camera swooping over the surface of the moon and then rising up past the horizon of the Moon into outer space and for three frames

49:13 They allowed us to see it who now who is there a good nasa guy who was told listen cut this thing out of the film you know we can't let the public see this so what he did, is he left the parts in which it is most difficult to discern the spacecraft that i call them racer. But he did leave two and a half, I said three frames? Two and a half frames intact where we could see the craft crossing the horizon. And then fully out of the horizon in outer space and third frame shows a cut in his literally psychic razor. Cut through the film where it's joined this film was not supposed to have any kind of cuts because it supposed to be intact on board camera

50:06 Yeah but look at that photo now it's it's pretty crazy and people will be able to see that if you go to the episode where we're talking, if you go to the actual website where I post it on the page i will also include these these photos but yeah they definitely make you wonder what's out there. It's a beautiful craft i've never seen anything as beautiful, as streamlined, is aerodynamic aero spatially dynamic is that thing. And there is no reactive propulsion this thing is really moving like a magnetic bullet and as I see it, I can see where the how the technology of this craft would involve magnetic fields and you know different polarities on the wings or the nose in the tail so really fantastic craft

50:57 So that's one of them. The third, I want to point out that this film the Lunar Rover went rambling around in the region of the crater Descartes and one other things that really has always bothered me about the Apollo 16 landing and the Apollo 14 landing is that when you see the landing sites from the lunar orbiter photos it is surrounded by high rising craggy mountains peaks partially collapsed domes and you know, all kinds of structures. And yet when you see the photos taken from the surface it looks like flatland, you know? And it turns out that NASA has had a very bad habit of erasing all the background stars they blacken out the sky they put in artificial horizons and

51:51 Fortunately, in the Apollo 1617 photos that I'm analyzing some of the stars were not erased. But in the two photos of the rover, one of them is UFO rising lunar rover and then another one says UFO rover the true horizon or the real horizon, because I conducted an enhancement on this one frame where I found a UFO that looks like a missile being launched. And then when I improved the quality you could see it's really cylindrical and luminous. Then I did one more operation which is called equalization. Equalization, the computer finds areas that are really close to each other in their

52:45 in their color, for example. All the whites of a certain color or all the grays and certainly all the blues with certain hue will be joined so the third photo... The fourth photo there of Apollo 16 shows the real contour of the terrain you can see those craggy mountains that I was talking about appearing in the background and I thought that UFO was passing by the Moon Going on the other side of the horizon and falling past the moon or being shot In space right that photo shows that this thing was rising from the land of the moon The terrain of the moon because you see the mountain range behind it. Uh-huh there's a black Outline looks almost like a dinosaurs back, it's so craggy that

53:40 I'm convinced that there are two UFOs that were coming down in that area, coming down and going up. And I thought they were just going by and passing the moon but it shows that there was land behind, terrain behind there. And so we have even more mysteries but some good NASA guy was told to clip the film and he clipped the film as he was ordered but thank God He left us two frames so that we can really see that clear picture of the moon racer. Yeah, I love that thing! That is really really odd. Well hey man this has been a great talk i really enjoyed you coming on here before we go i wanted to ask you one completely unrelated question because

54:22 Because I've heard you talk about the Chupacabra before and that, because that's near my area. You know? I'm here in San Diego and uh...I've heard you say that it's actually an intelligent race of some kind maybe extraterrestrial superior to humans and intelligent. Yeah! It is intelligent. See i went to Puerto Rico in 1978 and had some very unusual experiences down there And I started to latch on to this chupacabra mystery and over the years, uh...I've had a lot of experience with um...with this phenomenon. And i've come to the conclusion that the chupacabra is actually analogous to the gray extra-terrestrials hunting dog but imagine... Wow! Imagine a hunting dog that is telepathic and more intelligent

55:20 Then a human and telepathic on the psychic level into such a degree that it can read the person's belief system. And then project a thought and convince the person that either they're having a dream or they having hallucination, or they can actually shape shift into something else but the three the three puncture wounds in the side of the animals the method of extracting the tissues that it needs. It convinces me that this creature is very stealthy and it attacks what it needs, and then it takes back what it got to its masters."

56:09 And that's my take on Chupacabra. Wow, that's interesting! I can tell you more privately when we're off the air... Yeah! It is too disturbing to many people to hear what i've got to say. But they are also involved in the abduction of human beings They are short little creatures that are sent in and carry people away. Wow! I'm gonna do a show on that subject, abductions And what the purpose and reason is, and why the government fears it so much. Yes! We could do that another time... We definitely should yeah this has been awesome I look forward to seeing you at the conference man

56:51 Hopefully we can do it again sometime for sure. I know there's a ton of meat left on these bones, you know Yeah once again You know for the people We will both be at the secret space program and breakaway civilization conference in a little over a week from now It's gonna be the next weekend 28th and 29th in San Mateo California I'm gonna be selling conspiracies at my booth Roberts gonna be dropping knowledge on the main stage Is there anything else? You'd like to leave the people with before we call it in let's see Yes, I would like everyone who enjoys this subject to remember that we have to have sound minds and sound bodies. And I want to promote the idea of

57:37 adopting frisbee specially the versions of frisbee that i developed called martian double disc frisbee as the official sport of ufologist and so i'll be bringing my discs to california and greg i hope you play, you play for is because i love frisbee golf so im in okay well i teach and practice a martial art taichi form of frisbee and we take two frisbees and put them one inside the other nested. We throw the frisbee as one, as it flies it splits into 2 and you have to catch the 2 either 1 with each hand or as I've learned to do

58:16 two or three with one hand. Wow, that sounds like fun man! I hold the world records for triple frisbees we have three frisbees that fit into each other we sling them and they sail and you have to make instantaneous decisions in pattern interception trajectories to be able to catch 3-2 1 in each hand then the third one with with one of the other hand but I got this skill level high enough a few years ago to have caught 12 triples with one hand, 134 triples in one hour. And I do like to emphasize the importance of physicality you see? So many people are walking around as I call them brains with legs and we are humans and the human body is what defines us as humans. We've been trying to catch flying saucers for years so i think that's a perfect game for ufologists

59:12 Okay, so Greg I look forward to playing some disc with you when I get out to California. Absolutely Robert it's been a pleasure Thanks so much Stop by the conspiracies booth and say hello if you get the chance And we'll go out there to the quad and we'll throw some frisbees. I certainly will alright man You have a good one Thank you very much Bye bye. There it is, people! There it is... I hope to see some of you next weekend at the Secret Space Program conference and we'll play some Frisbee with Rob, smoke a lot of weed and listen to some sick-ass presentations join in on the money bomb and next week will have two winners and a phenomenal conversation with John Perkins author of Confessions Of An Economic Hitman and a major player in the movie Zeitgeist Addendum It's not one to miss thanks for listening

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